Simply an amazing series . One of the best ever !! Keep up the great work !!

@hanssacosta1990

3 жыл бұрын

Too right

You are assuming that humans are different from other animals. The language of many species is far more complex than we previously realized. For example, prairie dogs make various calls to each other which sound identical to the human ear. It is only when these calls were recorded, and analyzed on a sound spectrograph, that we learned that the prairie dog vocabulary was much larger than we had ever imagined. We often judge the intelligence of other animals, such as dolphins, based on how many human words they can learn and understand. However, if dolphins were to apply this same test to humans, then the dolphins would have to conclude that humans are complete idiots, since despite our best efforts, we have failed to learn even a single word that the dolphins are saying.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

I believe I am correct in assuming that humans are different from all other animals in regards to communication. When we listen to a speaker or read a publication, we are not learning words or phrases or even how certain phrases are parsed. We are seeking an explanation of what the speaker or author intends to convey. Sometimes we learn something new and sometimes we re-discover what we already knew. Sometimes we add things to the explanation that we think makes the explanation better. Sometimes we arrive at a completely different explanation. Specifically, we are seeking meaning. We are the only animal that creates new knowledge.

@SagaciousEagle

3 жыл бұрын

I think human language is structurally and semantically more complex. We have complex grammar and that includes the ability to express thought in infinite ways, and that includes the ability to describe the past and future. We also have the ability to pass down knowledge through writing.

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@SagaciousEagle We are the only animal that creates new knowledge.

@donnyjepp

2 жыл бұрын

That's a great point...👍

@donnyjepp

2 жыл бұрын

@@patmoran5339 Not really...we create knowledge relevant to us .. animals can be trained or teach their offspring new things, hence creating new knowledge..

I fall asleep watching this channel every night. You ask all the questions I haven’t but want to ask. Keep it up

Thanks for taking us on a guided tour of your quest. On my quest, I believe we will never know, but it's good to be entertained. Keep 'em coming.

My boy never learned to speak, but he does seem to understand about 100 words. He is 8 years old now and I've been told that he probably won't live longer than 15 years. He likes to go out for walks and gets excited when we meet people. He hates wearing his coat and doesn't like having a bath.

Our ability to think about concepts, combine them together to form judgments, and reason about those judgments.

“How do Humans Differ from Other Animals?” unfortunately, for most of us, there isn’t any difference

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

Humans are the only animals that create explanatory knowledge.

@MNanme1z4xs

3 жыл бұрын

Human are without purpose, big difference

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@MNanme1z4xs I guess I don't understand. Could you tell me more?

@dogsbollox4335

3 жыл бұрын

The difference is I can lick me own arse.😂😂😂

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@MNanme1z4xs What do you mean that humans are without a purpose?

Staring at other people in parks, other people are going: “oh there is a camera filming him, it is ok.” Otherwise staring would be threat in the animal world with or without the existence of an inanimate object in the context unless that object is a big stick one is holding while staring in which case the intent unambiguously clear and it best to get out of there quick. We have elaborate and abstract ways of imposing and avoiding threats.

One of the best youtube channels... philosophy, science, religion and history etc all r here...

@thumerman2683

3 жыл бұрын

@Luca Duca well how Can you be sûre about this

@thumerman2683

3 жыл бұрын

@Luca Duca no go on please

@thumerman2683

3 жыл бұрын

@Luca Duca thank you for the advice

I love your approach Mr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn. I always learn something new listening to your interviews

Robert you are doing a great educational work. Your approach to address the issues is unique and interesting... Best regards ABDULGHANI

A video on ENTROPY please dr. Kuhn😁😁😁😁

1:26 - those time lapses are quite frequent in this series, i can't help but wonder how it is to film them. Do Robert simply stay there at a crowded street, standing still, looking at the camera, for like half an hour?

@Knechtling

4 жыл бұрын

I would really love to know this either :D

@PotatoGin

4 жыл бұрын

yes

@DoodleDoo

4 жыл бұрын

Humans are not all that special. We have a huge ego which is why we like to think we're so different than animals.

@neole894

3 жыл бұрын

Vinicius Garcia if you test it with your phone on time lapse mode you will find it will make a huge difference in just one minute

@snoutysnouterson

3 жыл бұрын

@@Knechtling also

14:15 I do find it remarkable how animals seem to sense when another animal is hostile or not. For instance, it is not unusual for many animals to share shelter during a storm, and not do each other harm while waiting for the storm to pass.

@davidhunt7427

3 жыл бұрын

Why do humans _kiss_ and why do we find it so very satisfying? Yes, primate bonobo's also _kiss_ and we don't know why they do so either? Frankly, if I could only f/// my lover or only _kiss_ my lover,.. I would likely often choose kissing over f///ing, but not always. Prostitutes and their clients may have sex with abandon,.. but then they may mutually choose not to _kiss_ at all as it's too intimate?! Consider how strange the suggestion that lovers should _kiss_ would be if it weren't already a large part of human sexuality.

@Batman-vr6jp

Жыл бұрын

The sofware in animal brain is limited to survival

I suspect the more we understand cognitive consciousness, the less animal-human discontinuity will seem.

excellent work!

I really like this channel, pleas keep providing us educational video hahahaha

Closer, what an excellent array of diff interesting subjects you’re amazingly explaining; lots and lots of thanks for that. But please, give us the written text! Chez moi is quite noisy, thus … .

I my self think some animals have much more feelings and well as heart. Let me explain, for example those videos of dogs crying for there owners dieing. Some humans just don't care. This feeling comes from the heart and mind. More than some humans have

@MarkRuslinzski

3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100% with you on that

Whats funny is how incredibel hard it is to grasp the imagination of being an animal or a dog for example. We can imagine how it is be someone else (human) but dogs, its very hard. We can kinda imagine visually how they view stuff but how they are processing everything and how much of their consciousness works unlike humans.

Extremely Fascinating: You Tube will probably shut down this channel, simply because highly controversial subject matter is being examined.

Dear Robert, in this episode you look like Einstein the most, please take it as a compliment! Love the episodes!

The quality of this channel has improved since I last saw an episode. Love it

@daithiocinnsealach3173

4 жыл бұрын

They are now uploading full episodes. I think the channel will finally start getting the viewership it deserves. Where are all the JBP, Sam Harris and Sean Carroll fans at? This stuff is just up their alley.

The fact that you ask this kind of question...answers itself...🤷‍♂️you can quibble over details, but only humans leave evidence of existential angst...

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful rhetorical question. What about an elephant that has a bigger brain than a human brain compared to a chimpanzee?

@marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938

4 жыл бұрын

Elephant brains have less connections than we do...size is meaningless when it comes to brains...its how connected the neurons are to one another...

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

@@marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938 ​ Do you think size meaningless for Einstein's brain ?!

The difference between humans and the other apes is that humans developed information technology. starting with language and writing, and evolving into computers. The ability to communicate ideas and record information led to culture and other intellectual endeavours.

@markward3981

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and it is a drastic difference it is ludicrous to downplay it.

Great question right around 11:00. Do we over value the way of the human brain vs animal? Depends which brain you ask, I suppose..

The intro is like from "the outer limits" I love it

Thanks

Imagine aliens sitting around watching this same documentary on about us that we're watching.

Fundamentally we're not that different at all. What sets us apart is that we think we are.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

I beg to differ.

@dogsbollox4335

3 жыл бұрын

The only difference between humans and me is I can lick me own arse.😂😂

Evolution teaches us we are all connected, and so does spirituality.

@Dontbustthecrust

3 жыл бұрын

What even is spirituality?

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dontbustthecrust well you are a spiritual being, so that's all you need to know. you will discover exactly what spirituality is when it is your time to leave this earth,x

@Dontbustthecrust

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard yeah or not. Nobody knows what happens when you do

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dontbustthecrust yes many have crossed that threshold and returned to tell the tale..

@Dontbustthecrust

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard no demonstratable proof of that. All we have are anecdotes and anecdotes are the least reliable source of information according to scientific method. It may be good enough for you to believe in but that is different than a known thing.

We are the result of a huge chain of learning over generations. Language and symbols including writing is the miracle we call culture.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful rhetorical question. What about an elephant that has a bigger brain than a human brain compared to a chimpanzee?

@marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938

4 жыл бұрын

Troll much? 😁

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

@FACE GALLON No, this is not the most important question; Although it is an important question for ignorance, which cannot be interpreted as happiness, because of faith in our evolution of fish 1 *, although the evidence does not bear witness to this. 1 * See Stephen Meyer's lectures.

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@mustafaelbahi7979 There are two statements with no questions.

“Unlike other animals we are free” thats the most satisfying answer for me. We can “be”animal or human. there is a choice and humans are the only specie to make this choice. Cats don’t make choice. If you lock them in a room filled with vegetable they starve. They can just be cats. But humans can adapt, can change. They can live under utmost dehumanizing conditions by adapting. Like in concentration camps. On the other hand there are many examples of humans who leave their animal like instincts deliberately in the hope of living a higher level of life.That is unthinkable for animals. Animals can just live as they re meant to live.

@randomgrinn

4 жыл бұрын

Humans are the only not-free species. No one else works 9-5 against their will. You think animals don't live in concentration camps? Really? You can't think of any animal concentration camps? The most unique thing about humans is their insane arrogance.

@nomnomgamer9882

4 жыл бұрын

Our animal instincts to eat and procreate will never leave us.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

@@randomgrinn Actually, the problem is that we have not been arrogant enough.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

I think you have described the situation quite accurately. Humans have very few "tools of survival" but they can adapt well to a large number and variety of environments. On the other hand, all other animals are adapted only to a certain niche. I don't know if you remember seeing the part with Jared Diamond. He sees human beings as just a rather unimportant part of the biogeographical landscape. His description of humans is more like that of a non-creative automaton. He downplays or denies that human ideas can have any effect on the biosphere. This is wrong. Humans have made progress in all areas of endeavor. Humans create new knowledge and thrive on the problem-solving we call science.

Hi. Whats the opening song . Love it

Precisely my point. Imagine your level of conciousness without language. Very similar to animal conciousness.

Ive never seen the nest design of the sparrow change through the ages.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

Nice observation and relevant to this video. Other animals are adapted to their niches. Humans create new and better niches.

There is a great sci fi short story that this episode reminded me of. It's called Cruciger. You can listen to it on the Escape Pod podcast.

Today in USA there are factions that if you did a checklist they would be more animal than human.

@thegreath.sapiensapien6907

4 жыл бұрын

ya f@#k them T2020.

Other animals can think to some extent but language is something completely unique to humans. Truly fascinating.

Damn, this was an epic episode!

We ponder our own existence. And we look up at the stars. And wander what's out there. We think. About life after death. We create. Technology. We are introspective. No other animals do these things. Only man...

Plants is Feeling-Blind, Animals is Intelligence-Blind, Earth-people is Intuition-Blind, 'Blind' means minimum-performance of Life-Abilities in Developing-Circuits, from minimum to maximum.

6:46 Hmm...The closed-caption says "For me, It's alien territory" but Robert doesn't say that. Presumably, that's Robert's reaction to being invited to a wine-bar. I wonder why he excluded that part, and why didn't he exclude it from the text. Knowing this, will hopefully, bring me 'closer to truth'.

Because long long ago we came across psychoactive substances foraging for foods which in turn gave us language, religion and all sorts of crazy ideas.

@tonytg9099

4 жыл бұрын

@Ruby Badilla It just fits better than any other theory, but who knows for sure... 🤔

WOW

If sex in private is embedded at the genetic level, I would attribute it to strengthening of pair bonding, not a social distraction.

@raouldegendre2571

3 жыл бұрын

Was different before being chucked out of paradise !

Ask My Family.... and Other Animals.

The ultimate creative capacity of the human brain may be for all practical purposes~ Infinity. Your mind can be compared to an undiscovered gold mine. Makes no difference if you're 17 or 70. The only thing about a man- that is a man-is his mind Everything else... you can find in a pig or a horse. The human mind is the one thing that separates us from the rest of the creatures on earth. Each of us has a tendency to underestimate his or her own abilities. We should realize we have within ourselves a reservoir of great abilities, even genius. Get the things we want from life- is a matter of solving the problems which stand between where we now are - and the point we wish to reach.

Humans have a greater potential for empathy and wisdom. It'd be great if we could actually live up to that potential.

In the conclusion, does this negate the demonstrated innate ability of thought in certain animals i.e. as exhibited in dolphins, sheep dogs, guide dog; their ability to warn about their master’s illness or intent?

He needs an episode on Evolution and Abiogenesis...

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

What is abiogenesis?

@ThePresident001

2 жыл бұрын

@@patmoran5339 origin of life from non life

@patmoran5339

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePresident001 Yes and if you could you might to look at the Anton Petrov video that came out about 3days ago. Apparently , the Miller-Urey experiment in 1954, on reinspection and replication indicates that the amino acids created were also catalyzed by the silica in the Pyrex vessels used. But, I am relatively certain that this finding will not discourage believers in the supernatural form making the "creation of something out of nothing" argument. We are make out of the same elements as rocks and stars. And there can be the appearance of design without a designer.

Theory of evolution denies mind and reason and therefore is irrational

@CeezGeez

4 жыл бұрын

🙃

@late8641

4 жыл бұрын

How does it deny minds and reason?

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

Minds create theories so I don't know how a theory could deny a mind. Theories can be irrational.

We humans can come " closer to truth", get it! we humans can come " CLOSER TO TRUTH"

Animals have fix state of mind, the frequency is just like feeling of reality, and their life, food, health, shelter look after the nature of reality itself, servived by the auto mode, interconnected by each other, no dependency. In case of humans, due to imbalanced state of mind causes suffering multiplying.

Lucky for us, about few tens of thousand years ago our brains evolved enough to start having abstract thoughts and language. This allowed the development of human culture. Since then, pretty much, the cultural evolution whose unit is a "meme" as opposed to "gene" which is a unit of biological evolution, where memes can transmit very fast, has enabled very high speed and exponential cultural evolution relative to biological evolution. A meme transmits as fast as one human can tell another human. And with transition from bands, tribes, villages, town, cities, states, countries, continental unions and now the connected global culture, the spread of meme transmission is growing exponentially riding the wave of network of many humans and technology such as internet. In a nutshell, since the cultural evolution started, the contribution of biological evolution to humanity has pretty much been left in the dust by the speed of cultural evolution. And thanks goodness for that. With evolved and progressive culture we no longer are always driven by the primal drives of biological evolution and overcome them when we do. And things like altruism, even to strangers in out groups, is practiced. For example, in the days of biological evolutions primacy, if something like COVID-19 had come along, humanity could have gone extinct. So we are lucky that we have tools of science and technology to deal with the threat and do it in a cooperative and rational fashion (hopefully) because of the progressive cultural evolution. Please note the biological evolutionary change happens slowly because it allows opportunity for the organism's offspring to change via reproduction (i.e. is generational). So for humans it may be 15 years till a human is able to grow up and reproduce and cause a change - when it only relies on biological evolution. So the switch over to the cultural evolution is what makes us different than other animals. And this was possible only when our brains reached a level/threshold of biological complexity thru (slow and very gradual) biological evolution which allowed the switch over to the cultural evolution (primarily due to symbolic language). And then the exponential nature of cultural evolution - free from the waiting for turning of a generation to have effect - took care of the rest. That is when the qualitative gap between humans and other animals took a huge leap - evolutionary inflation so to speak similar to inflationary theory of cosmology. Think of how IBM's Watson computer came to beat the best of Jeopardy competitors. The hardware of the Watson computer was probably built on the first day that was already superior than your average laptop computer. But on the first day it would not have beat Ken Jennings. Only over time and learning thru software improvements via learning algorithms it came to a capable level of being able to beat Ken Jennings on the day it did. And now what Watson can do is much better than your laptop. Having said that though, through neural networks and newer AI algorithms even your laptops are going to become as smart as Watson in near future, but I guess Watson will have gone that much farther in the mean time if IBM keeps the program going. The notion of exponential growth of intelligence was captured very well in the movies like Lucy (Morgan Freeman and Scarlet Johanson). That is the power of exponential growth at work.

@dbk5816

4 жыл бұрын

Aka the evolution of the gaps . Claiming anything can happen randomly given there is enough time. How can you reduce "abstract thoughts" and the concept of logic to chemical reactions to materialistic explainations? The concept of logic or truth can't even be expressed in terms of a single algorithm.

@SandipChitale

4 жыл бұрын

@@dbk5816 It was not as if the ability to think abstract thoughts happened instantaneously and humans became as smart as they are today right then. It was a gradual process. The density of neurons in the same amount of brain volume was a factor as well. Bipedalism, opposing thumb, ability to control fire, cave dwelling with combination of hunting and gathering, primitive language were milestones on the way. Hunting required coordination, which required language to plan the hunt. You should read the book "Guns, germs and steel" by Jared Diamond where is discusses this. So no it is not a theory of evolution of the gaps. The modern neuroscience is showing that other animals also exhibit some basic forms of abstract thought. Chimpanzees learning language. Crows planning and executing retrieval of food and so on. Yes this development on thinking was a slow process when it was happening. The key thing point I am making is that once it turned the corner and switched the mode to 'meme' based evolution (which is orders of magnitude faster as it does not depend generational change needed by biological evolution), that is when the things accelerated and grew exponentially.

If we study other animals closely, humans do not differ in any ways.

I believe the biggest difference from animals is that we can feel *shame* about our own body and will intentionally hide some parts from others using tree barks/leaves/clothes, and therefore learned to intentionally *cheat* ... and others cannot see you through directly, which leads to intentionally *reasoning* in order to find the truth.

lol its always consciousness, i've seen so many of it in this channel

The dominate life on this world is plants we need to talk to them for without them we don’t exist

You must possess the proper hardware to perform such functions. Broken hardware or changing the hardware changes the way the person or animal performs and interacts with their environment. The introduction of drugs, sex hormones, lack of sleep, and the environment also fuel thought and desire.

Please video dealing with dolphine consciousness

Wow. Most beautiful and informative episode yet.

The arguments concerning langage in human are particularly weak. We could also say that animals have their own langage and grammatical sens of langage. What really make a distinction between human and animals is the capacity of symbolisation. With symbol, we create langage but also writing, something that animals can't create nor understand. Symbolisation in human is a topic made famous by Jacques Lacan, a psychoanalyst who became famous by his theory of symbol and the unconcious based on Ferdinand Saussure, a famous French linguist.

Philosophy of taste seems like legit job.

It's not all in the brain. Higher human faculties such as language and fine dexterity can only be expressed through associated specializations of the body. For example extra facial muscles and the precision grip of the hand.

What is truth?. Is truth what we believe it to be? For some, the truth can be something that lies just around the bend on a long straight road.

It makes me question about life and existence. Why this has to be difficult to comprehend haha

Humans differ by their instincts

This is one of my favorite episodes!

There's no "mentalization" in the species of animals. Only the human species possesses a cortex fitting enough for sameness through mental active force.

Animals have an advantage in speed and weapons: Spinoza

“O SON OF BOUNTY! Out of the wastes of nothingness, with the clay…” O SON OF BOUNTY! Out of the wastes of nothingness, with the clay of My command I made thee to appear, and have ordained for thy training every atom in existence and the essence of all created things. Thus, ere thou didst issue from thy mother’s womb, I destined for thee two founts of gleaming milk, eyes to watch over thee, and hearts to love thee. Out of My loving-kindness, ’neath the shade of My mercy I nurtured thee, and guarded thee by the essence of My grace and favor. And My purpose in all this was that thou mightest attain My everlasting dominion and become worthy of My invisible bestowals. And yet heedless thou didst remain, and when fully grown, thou didst neglect all My bounties and occupied thyself with thine idle imaginings, in such wise that thou didst become wholly forgetful, and, turning away from the portals of the Friend didst abide within the courts of My enemy.” “Just as the animal is more noble than the vegetable and mineral so man is superior to the animal. The animal is bereft of ideality; that is to say, it is a captive of the world of nature and not in touch with that which lies within and beyond nature; it is without spiritual susceptibilities, deprived of the attractions of consciousness, unconscious of the world of God and incapable of deviating from the law of nature. It is different with man. Man is possessed of the emanations of consciousness; he has perception, ideality and capable of discovering the mysteries of the universe. ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 240”

The difference between humans and other animals, we think we are smattered.

Narrator sounds like agent smith everybody run

Humans are one of many species in the animal kingdom. The differences are wide ranging. Reference en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_taxonomy

Did he just say dogs can learn " thousands " of commands!!!

Ancient religions started with great warriors and shamans who could stole abilities from various animals. Primitive people observed animals and were mimicking their motion, fighting moves or looks, they killed and opened body of animals, to find forces and things inside that made them fly, breath under water, jump very high or run very fast, do all kind of acrobatic stunts. Much could be said about phenomenology of animal worshiping, most interesting to me is ability of human brain to assimilate other properties of the living. It's like energy is observing other stream of energy and learn how to transfer potentials the same way, doesn't make much sense if we try to find explanation with pure physics. Why did human apes try to be like other apes, dogs or fish, trying to do what animals did took a lot of uncomfortable effort and caused many injuries. Specially if they learned to fly by flapping their arms during a fall because it just doesn't work that way. First human flight was achieved only 200 years ago, even less if we consider theory of a wing shape and difference in pressure that specific shape create came latter. People did fly thousand years before that, by filling animal gutter with hot air, except it was just a lift and didn't last long because they couldn't imagine air as a gas or why materials leak. No animal was flaying by heating air inside it's body, but balloons did make people look like birds. Today we laugh at primitive and silly ideas of our ancestors, but think about a fact no other animal is trying to steal abilities from other animals. Some animals are aware of their shape and looks, they recognize picture in the mirror and understand it's just a picture of how they are. One more phenomena we share, ability to see other species as more beautiful than own kind and divine. Except animals are just mesmerized by human or other animal appearance, sensation stay imprinted in their psyche, can even motivate them into a rational socialization or symbiotic relation, but doesn't trigger any cultural processes shared and passed to their offspring.

The human mind has a better ability to process vibrations , this allows us to control the vibrations more including the voice box , creating language and the study of vibrations This is because every single creature born tries to move physical reality with its mind, Something deep down inside us tells us its possible somehow, We just dont know it yet , ultimate fantasy or real ? At this stage its still no one really knows

If human brain is more evolved version of monkey brain, than levels of self awareness exist and this means we can experience various primitive mental states also. This idea is highly speculative because it presuppose all mammal brains have similar inner workings. Similarities exist, most brain cells are simple and just contribute to overall mass, except human organ is much larger and have many additional organic components. But in essence, all mammals should experience similar reality, like same sense of vision, sounds, temperature, moisture, hunger, fear, up and down,... State of animal brain is often experienced by people who get lost in wilderness or extreme athletes. When body get exhausted enough, conscious state begin to shut down and induce trans like self awareness, dedicated only to survival. This is most interesting phenomena, people describe as going insane or delirium, like they completely lost sense of self and retain very little intentional judgement over their actions. Those experiences are not well understood because those people also forget how to think in words, story telling brain get scrambled, loss of mental agent fortify delusion of madness, even when person still act highly rational and moral. It's like we don't need to talk to ourselves, meanings get translated into impulsive behavior directly, without passing trough symbolic verification state we cal reasoning. Words and symbols still pop in from time to time, but with no causal flow, or like a loopy song we hear in the morning and it than resonate in our mind over entire day. People think they lost their mind, and they do, but only cultivated layer get lost, so animal brain can kick in stronger. So we do know how being an animal feels like, in principle.

Kudos -- 444 Gematria -- 🗽

we're supposed to be RATIONAL animals. At times, this requires some deep thinking. Some in the species just don't want to go there.

@jrhendry8744

4 жыл бұрын

Humans are no more rational than a elephants and crows which both seek revenge whenever a member of there species is killed.

@xspotbox4400

4 жыл бұрын

Let's stick to be free, do what we want and have a good time, it's more simple and always works.

@jrhendry8744

4 жыл бұрын

@Dr Deuteron i didn't say it is i was saying that humans are no more or less intelligent the majority of mamnal species.it all goes back to the hard problem of consciousness what's it like to be this animal or a lesser sentient aninal.

The only difference I can see is just intellect which really only somewhat falls into language if somehow we could switch places I don’t think we would really live that different. Also how much of human thought is just instinct? I do however understand that humans have more neuro pathways and which allows us to feel more or less than just the world arround us perhaps. Which almost gives a false thought of consciousness?

I like the topic and my answer is that humans love self-deception and animals don't. For example, humans love the self-defined things such as consciousness, free will, regardless of the reality of other animals in the most fundamental way. Rene Descartes, for example, believes “I think, therefore I am.” At the same time, he refuses to answer the question such as "should a dog has the same characters?" Another example is god. Human beings define a God first, then start to reasoning the god for another 1000 years until today, they simply can't stop. In comparison, as Jordan Peterson has said, "Chimpanzees just don't do it. "

@billnorris1264

4 жыл бұрын

No offense intended friend, BUT a lot of the "Shortcomings" you attributed to our species are the SAME attributes that have enabled most of our successes..

@billnorris1264

4 жыл бұрын

Only it's not called self-deception..

@daithiocinnsealach3173

4 жыл бұрын

Humans are fundamentally drawn toward the positive. We had this desire before we developed the ability to reason in on ourselves. Then death became an enemy to pleasure seeking ways. We have been trying to come to terms with it ever since. I think Laozi has come up with the best answer so far, though I appreciate many of the great thinkers down through history.

@JeffChen285

4 жыл бұрын

@@billnorris1264 Origin of anthropocentrism can be traced to Judeo-Christian Bible. One thing I'm still wondering today is how the mindset of anthropocentrism can be inherited so easily by western scientists. The word "success, " for example, is a typical self-centralized concept. In my opinion, it is not only too short in the temporal domain, but it also too small in the spatial domain to believe the concept of success is really meaningful.

@billnorris1264

4 жыл бұрын

@@JeffChen285 A well-considered and concise response friend, as always.. Anthropocentrism, or to SOME a more widely inclusive label could be, philosophical naturalism which has all the right "parts" including yours.. Here's a few: Aristotle's scientific worldview AND the scientific method.. An assertion that NATURAL laws and forces describe reality.. A rejection of unverifiable ASSUMPTIVE knowledge.. Anthropocentrism is a part too, it goes unspoken because it's legitimacy is SELF-EVIDENT.. We are the ALPHA species on this planet.. WE are the main show! Possibly the smartest animals in our galaxy.. Yeah, it's about us.. Us and our BEHAVIOR.. We have unique responsibilities.. Finally, your INFERENCE that the West is UNDULY influenced by anthropocentrism, please expand a little, is that regrettable? Peace brother..

Man is the only animal that kills even if it doesn't have to.

@JohnLoganR

4 жыл бұрын

False. Examples: m.ranker.com/list/animals-that-hunt-for-sport/laura-allan

@Metacognition88

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that's not true. I have seen several animals that have hunted for sport.

@xspotbox4400

4 жыл бұрын

We are the only animal that choose not to kill when it have to.

@xspotbox4400

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefano Portoghesi Pardon my global English, i meant to write, we are the only animals that CAN choose not to kill when it have to, but it doesn't need to do so, can just kick a* and chew bubble gum.

@xspotbox4400

4 жыл бұрын

@To R People who do that must be mentally challenged than, just the same as people who are happy to live as slaves and forgive all injustice done to them or even willingly collaborate with with their torturers. Are all those who are left of this equations only real humans, just because they don't care about that racial or authoritarian nonsense? It seems socialization is necessary to prevent excess in violence and perversion, active citizens and passive members of society don't resort to extreme behavior without a very good and objective reason. How to enforce own basic rights and not go hording, that's another question, job for professional philosophers probably.

We are the only animal capable of evil.

We are the only species that can create explanatory knowledge...and then complain in the next minute how insignificant we are.

Will discipline save the day?

We aren’t strong, no fur, no fangs or claws, no super speed. We had to do something to survive. I think that would be cooperation with others.and developing tools.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

All of those things are true about the limitations of humans. But we are universal explainers and constructors. As far as is known we are the only species that has created something new. Look at the buildings. Look at the large cities. Look at the organization of societies. Look at the fact that now we live in the most peaceful era in human existence. Also the safest. Look at the newborn. We can wonder if she might be the one who creates a revolutionary way to cure a dread disease. Be proud that you are a human. We need to support the continuing growth of scientific knowledge.

@daveduffy2823

4 жыл бұрын

@@patmoran5339 I agree, but looking at ants for example, they create "cities", herd aphids for food and protect their eggs. When I knock out an anthill, I watch them carrying away the eggs to a safer spot. They have a social hierarchy. They only attack when threatened (like us most of the time). Their are not too different than we are in some ways. I am glad I am a human and not an aphid!

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

@@daveduffy2823 I guess you would agree with Karl Marx and Jared Diamond then. It looks like I am the only non-Marxist responding here.

Some say it's hard to find people who are less concerned about privacy due to effects of colonialism (similar to despotic nature of pan troglodytes (chimpanzee), just like with homosexuality (aka prosociality/sociosexuality and intergenerational relations similar to paniscus (bonobo: described as more tolerant compared to chimpanzees) society). Obedience to abstract laws and authorities in general population due to self-domestication syndrome according to the Goodness Paradox alongside the inter-male competition leading to clandestine behaviour (cooperation maintenance hypothesis: not peer reviewed) is another factor.

this may reffers into the source or origin of Knowledge it self since ancient civilizations that we are still has no clues like math architect & languages, how or where did that comes from.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

It is called human creativity. It comes from a combination of biological and cultural evolution.

@beehivepattern5695

4 жыл бұрын

@@patmoran5339 nope.....its the choosen one

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

@@beehivepattern5695 Who chose the chosen one?

@beehivepattern5695

4 жыл бұрын

@@patmoran5339 the source of knowledge

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

Bee Hive Pattern I have no clue what you are talking about.

Not sure if he is looking for truth or wasting his and our time? Its consciousness with 'I' which has choice and intent.. Brain is just a tool to live physical life.. its simple .. this is why I am responsible for what I do in life.. and how it affects others and in turn my own self..

So is it right to say in a few million years a chimpanzee will be as smart as we are now

@Metacognition88

4 жыл бұрын

No. There has to be some strong evolutionary pressure & need for a chimpanzee to increase its intelligence.

The animal kingdom only think 2 dimensionally, yes or no , hungry not hungry and fight or run and so on, right?!

12.40 approx. Disagree. How can we be sure it wasn't larger, more complex brains which caused more complexity in the gorillas/chimps/humans societies?

You need to relax on the adverts. I understand why they are there but it's getting too much

Humans do not differ from animals fundamentally. Meta consciousness is just highly developed consciousness that is also in other species.

Language, self awareness, consciousness or metarepresentation are not the main thing that seperate humans from other animals, the main thing is storytelling. All those support or are supported by storytelling but without stories they would all be lame powers.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

Been reading some Harari there? Humans are the only species that can create explanatory knowledge.

Animals Do Not have Souls. Humankind was given a soul. Good and Evil is each person's own choice.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

I think the last sentence is correct.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

I guess the better question is if souls have animals.

We kill for no reason.

If we are so different from the animals it should be obvious. But it's not. Isn't it strange that the best minds can't really point to anything concrete? And that modern science is showing more and more similarities. Life is One. The Universe is One. So different, yet so similar. More similar than different. Small differences of degree can lead to large differences in output. We're not that different, but it's the differences that matter. 20:00 "but it's the exception." I'm going to have to assume this guvdoesnt watch porn. The exhibitionism is astounding. Perhaps it's a weak genetic predisposition. 22:30 "I try to change their mental state." A dog barking at another dog merely to threaten it and show dominance is trying to change the other dogs mental state. Another failed attempt. We only do what they do more complexly.

@jamesfullwood7788

4 жыл бұрын

To me the difference is obvious. I've never seen animals build civilizations, create art, or build rocket-ships. Pretty striking difference. We humans transform reality.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfullwood7788 Well said James. We are the only known life form able to transform the world. We are the only animal who can create and understand explanations. We are universal explainers and universal constructors. We can make anything into anything else given the right knowledge. Life is fundamental to reality and we are the only known intelligent life. There is no upper limit to the value of human ideas.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

It is obvious that we are different but only to those who are willing to say that the Emperor has no clothes when all those around are gobsmacked by the unusual fabric.

@patmoran5339

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe it is only non-obvious to people who haven't been hitting the shrooms. Maybe that is the price you pay for being "at one" with nature.