Every time I do something honorable I'm proud of my free will. Every time I do something despicable I say ' I had no choice'.

@stephanforster7186

3 жыл бұрын

And the funny thing, you might be right with both assumptions ;)

@cosmicprison9819

2 жыл бұрын

That's called internalizing success and externalizing failure. Nothing special, this is what a healthy mind does to preserve self-esteem, since that benefited survival. Every first-semester psychology student learns about that. So congratulations, you're perfectly normal. 😉

@thomasnaas2813

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a friendly game of dice It's a mean streets crap shoot with loaded dice and only one thing for certain: mortality.

@user-is3yn7xr4c

2 жыл бұрын

Strongly Smacking your NPD mother in the head with a frying pan to create a scar and psychological trauma which basically an attempted murder in order to show you're not scared of her is a show of self-defense and defense mechanism for her potential future abuses towards you. I would say is an act of choice.

@niu745

2 жыл бұрын

So does those under Hitler regime

“A man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills”

@georgeseiling5719

2 жыл бұрын

Another commenter hit the nail head on, w/ Jung: “Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”

@georgeseiling5719

2 жыл бұрын

(Also reminiscent of William James's great : “With my first act of free will, I choose to believe in free will.”)

@christinalaw3375

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgeseiling5719 Ah, but what if I consciously told my unconscious to direct my life and call it delusion! Thus I have proven we have free..........wait.

@georgeseiling5719

2 жыл бұрын

🕶

@rascalord1831

2 жыл бұрын

exactly ! and whats with the responsibility issues ? even if your not guilty, we still would protect society.

I have the knowledge that I don't have free will. But I have the wisdom to lead my life believing I do.

@Maximum7077

Жыл бұрын

👆

@bakedalaska6875

Жыл бұрын

So wisdom to you is living a lie? I don't think so.

@pyb.5672

Жыл бұрын

@@bakedalaska6875 It's living through a story that works for you. This is what spirituality/religion is about for example. You may not believe the earth was created by a white-bearded man 10,000 years ago, but you can lead your life in a positive way following ideas about mercy and gratitude.

@dominoespizza1756

Жыл бұрын

@@pyb.5672 but if I don’t have free will I’m not able to decide to live my life as if I do.

@pyb.5672

Жыл бұрын

@@dominoespizza1756 These are concepts represented by language to make sense of yourself in your environment. None of those concepts actually exist objectively. Believing that free will doesn't exist can be what logically makes sense from a mechanical point of view of interactions in the world, but you can recognize that it may not be the most practical story to tell yourself to live a happy & meaningful life. To answer more precisely, you could recursively argue that what as just been said cannot be deterministic by definition. This would be true if perfect logic actually existed in the realm of mathematical precision in philosophy, but Godel's Incompleteness theorem and quantum mechanics show that this doesn't hold true. So essentially, I believe that like many other things, both determinism and free will are true, kind of like superposition. You just have to pick the concepts that is best at the right time. Another analogy would be genes, you can carry certain genes that just don't get expressed depending on the environment you live in, simply because its an adaptation that makes you live longer in it.

Quantum uncertainty still doesn't give you free will. It just means that determinism may not be true. But you still have no control over these dice rolls at the quantum level.

@Phoenix51291

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. As Sam Harris often says, "whatever the combination of determinism and randomness, there still is no room for free will" as it alleges to be neither of those things.

@anovosedlik

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. I hate when people make that mistake!

@holyspiritofyah

Жыл бұрын

Leaving your consciousness up to chance removes all autonomy. How weak to say you do not control your reality.

@gyorgybaranka1184

Жыл бұрын

but still physical models are "just" models. The truth is that you cannot really decide if there is free will or not. Just because your model says so?

@lenkazajic8509

Жыл бұрын

@@Phoenix51291 Yes! It's mind boggling that these "expert" scientists can't seem to comprehend that. All it takes is a simple thought experiment and one quickly sees that 100% of ALL things is a direct (even if unfathomable to our human brains) result of everything that has ever happened - if even the tiniest thing had happened differently, things would thus unfold differently - and NONE of this has anything to do with some misguided notion of "free" will...

Christopher Hitchens: "Of course we have free will, we have no choice." One of the wittiest comments I have ever heard🤣

@superezekill5688

3 жыл бұрын

I love how he put it in a religious context once as a rebuttal in a debate when he said "Of course we have free will, the boss says we do."

@stephenlawrence4821

3 жыл бұрын

It only seems witty because he hadn't seen through the apparent paradox. The mistake is when we're talking about what we can do "in the circumstances" we don't mean "in the actual circumstances with the same past" . It's just an error and resolving that resolves the paradox. How many scientists and philosphers know that? Dan Dennett is one. Most scientists don't and most people don't. Perhaps a number of philosphers do but are they getting the message across? Nope.

@dalgon77

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlawrence4821ñ

@giomjava

3 жыл бұрын

oh this is brilliant 😃 I wonder how many new assholes Hitch would have torn in last 5 years, were he with us.

@emanueljmartins

3 жыл бұрын

@@giomjava I bet that if there WAS Free Will, Hitchens would choose to still be with us.

You put Bill Nye and Michio Kaku on the title and expect me to have free will? Of course I had to click, there was no choice

@MarkoKraguljac

3 жыл бұрын

Every time I see Kaku I expect less and less.

@angelmidknight3119

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarkoKraguljac good he's not here to fulfill your particular expectations

@MarkoKraguljac

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelmidknight3119 shoo little anime troll, off with you! Ill ask you when I need something.

@RickDelmonico

3 жыл бұрын

Not impressed with Bill.

@theundead1600

3 жыл бұрын

2 very different people

I always hated the physicists argument about free will. Having unpredictable quantum systems at play doesn't mean you have free will. It just suggests that your actions might have a certain upper limit in predictibility. There's a certain randomness in it. But that's not free will, that's the opposite of free will.

@HM-rz8nv

6 ай бұрын

It's not even physicist that argue that, it's usually childish fools who know nothing about physics that just recently learned about quantum mechanics and desperately want to use it to support the notion of "free will"

@peterp5889

5 ай бұрын

Quantum inFORMation Entanglement synchronization to reference is evidence that there's no Free Will if the system of inFORMation timeless (faster than Light) still evolves without Free Will✓

@patilabhishek150

5 ай бұрын

It’s just Michio always a sensationalist ignore him 😂

@Erickhetfield

3 ай бұрын

It's embarrassing to see scientists act like religious people with the "free-will of the gaps".

@HM-rz8nv

3 ай бұрын

@@Erickhetfield Absolutely agreed. there is no free will, the evidence is staggeringly clear on this.

If reading one passage about free will can change whether a person will cheat or not, I think that proves "free will" has great limitations

@samuelmullins271

11 ай бұрын

Agree. Fool me once, shame on you. But after 1000 more times, usually I analyze enough for clarifying future hopes along with today's serenity. Someways more and somedays less. I got myself de-programmed from Plantational Cartoonism. Un-saluting y'all Crowd Controlling Pulpit Spotlight Monkeys has been a good practice, to selectively reinforce my autonomy. I am good enough at it to get labeled as a Contrarian by those officious plagiarists. I minimize my exposures to mental illness germs. ♡ ☆ ◇

@wyett123

11 ай бұрын

@@samuelmullins271 Sounds like you have a "mental illness germ".

@jimj2683

7 ай бұрын

Only religious or political nutcases are clinging onto free will. The reality is that nothing will change even if everyone understands there is no free will. All the consequences and motivations will be the same.

@tie7626

6 ай бұрын

@@samuelmullins271you literally fooled me

@risingtide_official

Ай бұрын

Simply proves there is no free will. That book acted as an instruction and determined the future decisions these people made. Free will is an illusion.

Dennett: “telling people they don’t have free will is bad, therefore we have free will “ Both off topic and incoherent

@harsewaksingh3829

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@pete_shand

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds a bit like a religious argument. That we’re all going to fall into sin and impulsive tendencies if we don’t believe in free will.

@AbsurdistJiffu

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@rorabeju1

2 жыл бұрын

Ying, Yang ☯️

@plop0r

Жыл бұрын

Why the hell does this guy get so much camera time. I cringed the whole time

Daniel Dennett argues that neuroscientists "shouldn't tell the public they don't have freewill because it's irresponsible." But if there is significant evidence against freewill, then isn't withholding that information the irresponsible thing? Telling the truth the best way you know how is more important, I think, than trying to prevent malevolence.

@adley8480

3 жыл бұрын

Danielle might be right. People need to be controlled to some degree. Its for the best for societies to advance. It's best if everyone buy in to the belief of free will and play along.

@happinesstan

3 жыл бұрын

When science argues against free will I can only assume that it has taken over the mantle of religion in the role of destroying autonomy in the individual. When you argue against free will in favour of determinism, you reinforce the concept of intelligent design.

@NLSasuga

3 жыл бұрын

The idea of free will is detrimental to the functioning of society. One of the most important things a human being can ever realize, is the fact that there is no free will. But as for telling people, it depends on how they are informed about it. Many people will spend their entire lifes, trying to find prove that they do have free will.

@happinesstan

3 жыл бұрын

@@NLSasuga It is only detrimental to those that seek to oppress the natural instinct to resist oppression, violently.

@mlonguin

3 жыл бұрын

The neuroscientists have no choice... they must tell what they learn, which is different than telling the joke in the analogy, so the thought experiment is flawed.

Freedom of Choice and Free Will are not synonymous.

@klondike444

Жыл бұрын

Something most people, including those who comment on videos of this kind, can never grasp.

Everytime someone insists humans have free will but "lesser" animals dont, it just tells me their opinion is nothing but narcissistic dribble.

@gossamyr

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, since that opening bit about dolphins and chimpanzees, they didn't recently acquire their brain activity, they've been the same for quite some time. We are only aware of that complexity recently-ish.

@cynthiaayers7696

Жыл бұрын

Well you might look at it as, a philosophy, and I don't know if animals do. You know an opinion about their environment.

@dimitrispapadimitriou5622

Жыл бұрын

Cats certainly do have free will ! 😼

@dominoespizza1756

Жыл бұрын

That’s a dumb argument, either everything has free will or nothing has free will, you would be better off arguing about being self aware.

@dorianphilotheates3769

Жыл бұрын

Benjamin Henderson - When other species begin to explore space, formulate philosophical ideas, compose epic poetry, engage in theoretical physics, develop the latest smartphone, invent myths like “the Invisible Hand of the Market”, or produce the next ‘Kardashians’ season, let me know: I’ll grant that free will “is nothing but narcissistic dribble”.

Robert Sapolsky is amazing

@LieutenantSandcastle

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is in getting everyone to agree on what free will means. Apparently, Saplosky thinks that if you have "gas pains" and it influences a choice you make, then it's not free will.

@shannonhallett2334

3 жыл бұрын

and correct!

@AceofDlamonds

3 жыл бұрын

I would have him in charge of advising lawmakers around the world on criminal justice. We still have Medieval thinking in today's courts, with judges "preaching" to defendants about their crime.

@Someone-cd7yi

3 жыл бұрын

If anyone wants to watch more of him. I suggest his Stanford course on human behavioral biology. You can find it on KZread. It's pretty old but you will learn a lot about what processes are behind human behavior.

@Someone-cd7yi

3 жыл бұрын

@@AceofDlamonds I agree that we should have more compassion for criminals, and that there should be more focus on rehabilitation. But prisons shouldn't be totally abandoned. Even though there might not be complete free will, I'm sure that the idea that once you do x or y you'll get punished still inhibits the occurrence of x and y.

So Dennets thought experiment isn’t against free will. It’s against the idea that we should let people think free will is an illusion.

@BusterDarcy

3 жыл бұрын

Totally. And even then, it’s a poorly reasoned conclusion

@Deliberateleo

3 жыл бұрын

That's always the argument of people who want to believe in free will. The belief that if we told someone else they didn't have free will, they would do evil.

@ataylor992

3 жыл бұрын

He's merely illuminating the demonstrable phenomenon that a BELEIF, in and of itself, can completely change the outcome of decisions for a given individual. That is to say, life is subjective. Believe what you want- but there will be consequences- good or bad.

@ericmichel3857

3 жыл бұрын

He really had no choice but to express that opinion so... :)

@donjindra

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deliberateleo That's false. I often argue for existence of free will. I've never made the argument that belief in it is necessary to prevent evil.

I'm a huge fan of all of these great minds. As soon as i saw the names of the speakers i though, " i have to watch this". Thanks for putting this together.

I simply love conversations about free will. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge. 💓🔥

@JerryMetal

Жыл бұрын

I would say that if you look at a person, you would say he has free will. In the sense that nobody knows what that person is going to do. But when it comes to, does the person know what he is going to do, I would say no. His brain comes up with an idea and he identifies with the idea. What are your thoughts?

Жыл бұрын

@@JerryMetal 😃 Hi!!! As I understand, free will would act in both cases but in different levels. If you take the person as just and individual at an environment, it's decisions would have less consequences in that hole system. But if the same person it's located at a social environment with at least one more person, it's decisions would have considerable consequences, because one action causes another, and if it not, that itself it's a effect. It seems that as more exposed to global society we are as less free will we have, and it will depend on how we filter every senseless information. 😁 What do yo think?

I read once that the mind has already made a decision. We just come up with reasons for that decision.

@hanjesse31

Жыл бұрын

I read a bit of Carl Jung's Theory of the Collective Unconscious. The theory said that our mind is not born like a clean slate a contrary to the ''tabula rasa'' concept of by John Locke.

@xxportalxx.

Жыл бұрын

I feel like those kinds of ideas have a weird distinction they make between what they consider 'you' (the self) and arbitrary other parts of the body. If a part of your body does something, is that not you doing the thing? What part of you in particular is 'you?'

@kunaetixx2047

Жыл бұрын

@@xxportalxx. that's exactly what I'm thinking. Isnt my brain still me?

@coolaa7

Жыл бұрын

Or you heard the Oracle say that in The Matrix movie.

@rednarok

Жыл бұрын

@@xxportalxx. this, especially since your emotions are hormones, and hormones don't only come from the brain

It boils down to your definition of free will. If it is simply that you can make choices, then yes, you have free will. BUT, if you look deeper into what causes us to make the choices we do, then no, you do not have free will because every choice we make is caused by things out of our control, and we did not choose those things that eventually caused us to make our choices.

@Bunni504

Жыл бұрын

We do have to free will to listen to our thoughts. We don’t have the free will to choose or control our thoughts. Same with actions. Not having free will doesn’t mean we can’t work on ourselves. Besides all actions come from thoughts. Unless raise wrongly, you knew what you thought was wrong, so you shouldn’t act on it.

@epicbehavior

Жыл бұрын

@@Bunni504 Choosing to “listen to our thoughts” is just as much of a decision as choosing what thoughts to think. There is no more freedom in choosing one than the other.

@paulmobleyscience

Жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same but when you think of it those things that "happen" to us that we have to choose from is the result of someone else's choice. The consequences and choices before us aren't of our own doing. To be able to have true free will we would have to live in a world completely alone with only our own choices left to choose from.

@epicbehavior

Жыл бұрын

@@paulmobleyscience Even then we wouldn’t have free will, because our next thought comes out of a void of nowhere and we don’t actually get to choose what it is, only witness it.

@paulmobleyscience

Жыл бұрын

@@epicbehavior What do you mean comes out of a void? No it wouldn't change how choices occur to us. They don't come from a void now, they are instances in our lives where we choose one thing over another or multiple things. Those things don't come from a void anywhere...

There's a perspective I believe they did not cover: We assign others with "Free Will" as a way to explain why we can't predict their actions. Since we can never know every detail about a thing, that thing can take some action which we can not predict.

@Nonamelol.

7 ай бұрын

But the idea of free will stems from personal experience, not from patterns we notice in people.

Trying to understand free will makes my head hurt.

Should have invited Sam Harris to this

@mashable8759

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. He had great arguments

@OMAR-vq3yb

3 жыл бұрын

Last point by Dennett was a direct attack. He's irresponsible. Sam's philosophy stinks. He's essentially a serial killer sympathizer. If the brain has evolved to exercise self-control and we understand social rules----then we're morally responsible for our behaviour, but Sam will disagree.

@eriknephrongfr8847

3 жыл бұрын

@@OMAR-vq3yb I don’t know why this argument always turns to maladaptive behavior. I don’t think we’re responsible for our “good” behavior either.

@Dialogos1989

3 жыл бұрын

@@OMAR-vq3yb it doesn’t sound like you’ve spend much time listening to Sam. It depends on what you mean by responsible. Bad actions require negative reinforcement to prevent further bad actions. People can’t just do whatever with no repercussions. But on a personal level, resentment and disgust at a persons actions doesn’t make sense if they had no “choice” but to act that way.

@d_e_a_n

3 жыл бұрын

@@OMAR-vq3yb Were you free to think the exact opposite? Given your brain state at the moment you wrote that, could you have “chosen” to write the opposite? Could you have chosen to agree with people like Sam Harris? Some people agree with Sam Harris. I don’t think they can simply choose to believe as you do, as if they have freedom to think the opposite of what is in their brain. If you couldn’t have “chosen” to say the exact opposite of what you did, where is the freedom?

"I can feel I have free will, so I do." "I can feel the earth stands still, so it does."

@absurdist5938

3 жыл бұрын

U feel u are alive but ur dead..

@LasseJ789

3 жыл бұрын

@@absurdist5938 I don't believe in an afterlife either.

@absurdist5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@LasseJ789 did I asked about after life?

@LasseJ789

3 жыл бұрын

@@absurdist5938 Did I say something about feeling alive or dead?

@absurdist5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@LasseJ789 its a counter analogy, I thought u had the capacity to understand it ,so sorry .. If u gave that as an argument or any thing against that it's nonsense ..

For me, the question is why do we believe that we possess free will.

@Kaizrwolf

Жыл бұрын

Because sometimes we can choose which environment to be in.

@yoso585

Жыл бұрын

@@Kaizrwolf apparently

@cynthiaayers7696

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's so much of belief as it is a philosophy, an opinion on perspective. Supposed it boils down to the math. And whatever critical logic you can get from that. But whatever, I know we're the only Critters on this planet that study's itself, and runs around trying to prove what everything is.

@yourlogicalnightmare1014

Жыл бұрын

Only a dogmatic materialist would ask such an absurd question

@basedgamerguy818

Жыл бұрын

It's essential to maintaining a hierarchical society

Grooving on Joscha's Commodore T-Shirt such an 80's throwback reference

The idea of not having free will makes me feel that my human experience is more simplistic. It feels scary and interesting at the same time.

@klocke5247

Жыл бұрын

Also bear in mind your lack of free will is unique to you. Everyone has a different lack of free will. Don't see that aspect brought up much, but it's a fact.

@gigantopithecushominoidea8779

Жыл бұрын

If you knew every outcome because you were capable of calculating the outcomes, it all would be determined, since we can't we call it free will.

@gistfilm

Жыл бұрын

Daniel Dennett is the Santa Claus of scientists, telling us we have free will, when he knows free will doesn't exist. Pathetic 🎅

@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler

Жыл бұрын

The last guy in this video is a total idiot! Ask yourself why the hell do we perpetuate the idea of Santa Claus lying to our children from the very beginning creating a bed of distrust‽ it's because of tradition but we are saying by telling people that they have no free will is to get rid of their predetermined ideals of tradition of what humans have trained as good and bad they are two sides of the same coin you're limiting Your Existence and your potentiality by doing so and setting up tradition this eliminates people from tradition mindset which is saving them from their slavery induced by mankind!

@piotrsowinski5527

Жыл бұрын

@@klocke5247aw 77yyy

The only thing we need for moral responsibility is understanding the consequences of our behaviour.

@adamstevens5518

3 жыл бұрын

It’s also to be raised in such an environment where morally irresponsible behavior is not tolerated or existent, because people model their behavior on what they grew up with.

@summan41man

3 жыл бұрын

Responsibility is learned through guidance

@LateButGreat

2 жыл бұрын

People has different degrees of self-control and no one, even you, I bet, does believe in anyone's power to chose what to want. So even in this sort of diminished free will (not talking about denying position) your statement holds no water.

@marcdemell5976

2 жыл бұрын

And that takes freewill! It's too simple for you eggheads .

@NLSasuga

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcdemell5976 Free will actually stand in the way of understanding our behavior and that of others. It implies that our nature cannot be understood. It leads us to think that we should hold others responsible for their actions but we only have our own responsibilities to consider.

i love this lineup. you got legitimately some of the smartest, most highly credentialed minds in our time and also the science guy.

@travisrhodes1477

Жыл бұрын

I was gonna say the same thing and ya beat me to it , DAMMIT

@mecharenazenglen

Жыл бұрын

Missing from this lineup is Sam Harris who literally wrote a book called: “Free Will”. Also, they didn’t show enough of Robert Sapolsky’s arguments.

@s.fleming2441

Жыл бұрын

But Kaku is one of the most discredited in his field. And that's true of NYE except he has no real field outside of being a media guy

@wuziwu8148

8 ай бұрын

Michio Kaku's argument is deeply flawed after 9:12, here's why: Let's grant him that he's right that there is an element of randomness in the universe, how does this at all justify free will as I can not influence or determine randomness. 'No one can determine your future events' he states. No single individual dictates the future (maybe perhaps God when he created the big bang) but every person, action, and variable put together dictates our morals, thoughts, emotions, actions, etc. Every atom in my body (+ randomness) put together is exactly who I am. We do not choose to choose what we choose. What will we do to influence our influences? More influences? No offense but Michio wasn't very smart in what he stated. He basically said randomness and 'Wild cards' give rise to free will? What?!

@wuziwu8148

8 ай бұрын

At 13:52 till the end of the video his argument collapses on itself. If someone states that "free will is an illusion" and that influences the person then where is the freedom in this? Just like how my teachers in school taught me and influenced me which changes my beliefs, emotions, and actions. Every action is belief-based. If someone is told "free will is an illusion" and the individual makes negative actions then people and society (karma) will punish or at least disrespect them and life will be more difficult in a feedback loop. Albert Einstein also said, "First we must accept our limits to go beyond them". Because I believe determinism it makes me look at my weaknesses and what causes them, also what will help them. It makes me believe that jails should be used to rehabilitate rather than punish. The 'choices' I make everyday influence the rest of my life. Its like a puppet who is aware he is attached to strings and can influence them. The paradox of believing "free will is an illusion" is it gives me even MORE freedom due to rationality (psychology, science, health, etc). Before anyone says I'm hypocritical I did not choose my rationality, intelligence, creativity, morals, or a thought 30 seconds from now this was predetermined since before I was even born.

All discussions centered on a topic like his should start with the speaker defining that topic, something like free will can have slightly different meaning which can have a profound impact on the discussion taking place.

I love Robert Sapolsky. He’s such a wonderful educator.

@Dman9fp

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Really ultimately comes down to how one defines "free will", but yes nobody is ultimately free from pre-existing conditions Also NOT talking about the interplay (usually invisible to most people) between the distinct active consciousness and unconscious/subconscious minds makes serious debate of this topic arguably laughable and hastily conclusive

@pratikovhal6533

2 жыл бұрын

Yess🙌

@alankuntz6494

2 жыл бұрын

You're pre determined to say that because you don't have any free will🤣

@Dman9fp

2 жыл бұрын

@@alankuntz6494 Well yeah, what makes you think we're free from our past and predispositions/ genetics/ environmental conditions? XD

@alankuntz6494

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not saying we are free from our past predispositions/ genetics/ environmental conditions. We are not free from anything or anyone in a sense , since we are are all interconnected to each other including everything and every creature but you can consciously change predispositions , genetics and environmental influences by not identifying to them as a self. We can change bad habit's, ways of perceiving , thinking, feeling that we have been predisposed to from out tribes, neighborhoods, genetics , environmental conditioning. I can personally verify that. It's not easy but the more you become aware of this stuff you are less likely to be trapped by it or sucked into it,

This has to be one of my favorite philosophical topics to think about. Realizing we have no free will has made me a more understanding and empathetic person. Evil is sickness. Some respond to treatment and others don’t.

@MarkoKraguljac

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@crappymeal

3 жыл бұрын

My logical brain knows they are a victim of circumstance but my animal brain thinks their a ****

@MarkoKraguljac

3 жыл бұрын

@@crappymeal We are shaped through evolution to feel the need for revenge and artificial separation. That had its place and purpose in wilderness in which we spent 99.99% of our evolution. But that doesn't make it right or beneficial nowadays.

@crappymeal

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarkoKraguljac we are still in the wilderness. Its just relaxing and easy to view things like an animal sometimes because i am one, my overall view of humans is the same as i view any other animal

@MarkoKraguljac

3 жыл бұрын

@@crappymeal I can agree and disagree. Too long discussion would ensue. Be well

I hate how Kaku is so ignorant on this topic. He has very little awareness of the many arguments against free will. Sapolsky is brilliant on this.

You only have free will once you've made a conscious decision about what free will is.

I think about this topic often and while believing we do not have free will I don't think this has ever had an affect on my choices or morals. It always feels like we're making the decisions for ourselves which I think is what matters, the deterministic part is on a much deeper level.

@oneeyemonster3262

Жыл бұрын

You have free will. (Just keep it simple. It donst have to be deep) There's really NOTHING stopping you from killing a fly. You choose to do it or not..because of your FREE WILL. As for corruptions..There's really nothing stopping you from being corrupted. Politicians/ corporations do it all the time...they get away with it ( there's no acountablity) Are they going to hell or there's karma???? I dont KNOW....probably NOT. It is in your FREE WILL to praticipate in those activities. Consequence or NOT. God or No GOD....Evil or NOT. As far as being able to time travel , fight gravity or to live forever. In that sense. No Im NOT FREE nor have power

@nclayton877

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly how I approach it and I think it’s the only way for me to stay invested in life yet have a more holistic understanding of how things are a certain way. It also helps you to understand that effort can be necessary but to be less arrogant and more forgiving of others’ bad actions. If not forgiving then it at leas should help people look past a single act of supposed volition to a longer and more complicated lead up to that given act - where most of the time it is almost impossible to really place blame at a single given point or person. Your comment is on the money, I think 👏

@artificialowl3326

Жыл бұрын

Of course there is no free will, your brain just treat input the way your brain have learn to treat those input from the beginning, based on the output you had from previous run.

@guardian-X

Жыл бұрын

Good response. That's what even some of these scientists get wrong. They mix up Physics on the deepest level with human morale which is on a completely different level.

@causalityismygod2983

Жыл бұрын

Even if there is no free will....you cannot do anything about it....even your commenting is pre determined...i see it like domino falling.....we just dont know what domino will fall next

Making a decision has been confused with free will. All our knowledge comes from a few things. Our genetic predispositions, our brain, and outside stimulus. We cannot control any of those so to say that we have free will is silly. Second guy explained it VERY well.

@nabuk3

3 жыл бұрын

Right, in view of those facts, we can have real free will, just the illusion of it. That illusion is so powerful, and the fear of loosing it so disturbing, that many people do not want to accept or even entertain the idea of not having free will.

@absurdist5938

3 жыл бұрын

But we could choose among the the possible outcome..free will is not an illusion as it is not proven to be.. So claiming shit coz everybody else did to fit in is bullshit..

@experienceofchris1108

2 жыл бұрын

@Star Traveler science is pretty darn good at predicting ones decisions based on a number of things, otherwise psychologist would be out of a job. And let ke put it this way, our brain is made of atoms and they have to follow the law of physics just like every atom so unless our brains are able to manipulate the laws of physics then we are at the mercy of billions of atoms and thier natural processes. I know its hard to think outside the box some people just arent capable of it sadly

@experienceofchris1108

2 жыл бұрын

@Star Traveler and you zay that like you have read every study on the brain and know all nueroscience and studies going on rn. You wouldnt know if they proved something unless you happened to see it on twitter or see a youtube video about it i bet you have never read any actual scientific studies about nueroscience 😂

@experienceofchris1108

2 жыл бұрын

@@absurdist5938 so what makes you choose weither you want something or not? What made you decide you like one thing over another in the very first place? Mostly outside stimulus and that can come in any random order and depending on the order it can decide wiether you like something or not which decides whiether you will make certain descisions in the future after that. You can only think on a level that is simple you cant get past the "WeLl We StIlL dEcIdE iT so" lmfao go talk to a few neuroscientist and get humbled you dweeb

I think the problem is defining what free will is and it depends on that definition whether we have it or not. On a level we do have it. In our case we might be like prisoners inside a cage i.e. earth or even this universe which might be a simulation. We are not only physically but also mentally bounded in this reality. Even though we can do a lot of things & it might seem we have choice but on a higher level we are all bounded in a eternal cycle of life & death and can never escape it. We might be just like a NPC in a video game. Upnishads, ancient Indian texts of high philosophy are also based on the foundation that our reality is nothing but 'maya' i.e illusion and our greatest purpose should be to attain 'moksha' i.e realize the ultimate truth.

@danielnewman3428

9 ай бұрын

The way I see it we have free will, but no control over what we actually do with that free will, it sounds like a weird paradox, but essentially for me all free will is, is the advanced ability to make decisions based on our experience, since we have no real control over what we experience, and any decision made to experience something different is only a decision made based on knowledge from prior experience, we, therefore, have no real control over what decisions our free will results in us making.

@user-hy9nh4yk3p

7 ай бұрын

I can't decide - if you have convinced me, yourself and/or others. Hee hee There is reality in our playing with reality but the Being beyond - is the Real and speaks as the Voice Real - within the heart and in utter silence. One follows Him -as the Real Self - guiding us. It is what spirituality is - at Essence. (That is how Raj Yoga - may hint at.) @@danielnewman3428

I love this topic, so fun to see the different perspectives of very smart people. I would probably try to reframe the discussion if I was invited to participate. Let me make choice, am I going to eat a slice of pizza or have a salad? Sounds simple enough, I'm going to weigh my options and focus on what is important to me: am I more interested in taste or function? Did I have a salad recently? Did I have pizza recently, and do I care if I did. When I ask myself, why do I like the taste of pizza better than salad, I can't really answer it. Is it a product of my taste buds and my brain structure? Is it because my parents made pizza night a special event in our house growing up. It gets muddy real quick about how I make that simple decision. At some level my like of pizza over salad is beyond my control. I did make the choice to eat the pizza in the end, but I had limited say into the data I made the decision from. So I'm betting in the experiment where the people were more likely to cheat after reading the free will is not real excerpt was affected in a similar fashion. Hearing that information affected the decision pathways of the brain through a justification. You may have seen the exact opposite affect if the passage they read said, free will may not be real but every person can positively affect their path by exposing themselves to social acceptable behaviors such as not cheating and treating others with respect. There was another study I heard about where they had people swear on a bible, even if they were ashiest, to not cheat on a test. Then they left the subjects in a position to easily cheat. The people that swore on the bible cheated less than those that didn't. Manipulating the data that choices are made upon is a product of environment in cases such as these. The test subjects were not in control of the priming of the behaviors that the experiment ultimately targeted. This is more evidence of brain washing than the existence or non-existence of free will, though I can see the two being very interconnected. All of this points to a level of uncontrolled action. Our choices are ours but our understanding of those choices are limited to the level we understand the variables and the data that we base our choice from. At best we have limited free will, I would venture to guess it is virtually none, BUT we likely have the ability to affect the data that our choices ultimately come from and thus can manipulate that data to support a desired outcome. The question then comes down to if you are a behaviorist, invoking a set of desired outcomes or an educator wanting to see where other's take newly acquired knowledge. I'm not above taking the behaviorist approach but then someone is going to have to take ownership of that process, regulate it to ensure there is no misuse, and maintain it as new information becomes available. I feel, though difficult, success would be more realistic in educating people how their minds work and giving them the tools to set the data points of decision themselves.

@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler

Жыл бұрын

If you want to know why there's no such thing as free will just look up the definition of free and independently of Will and then look up the definition of Will and put the two definitions together and don't look up the definition of what free will actually it is because if you look up the definitions independently you get something totally different... there is no free will everything you do here just leads to more suffering it doesn't matter your goals on this planet all of your actions lead to a doubling of potentiality Y branches. There was a study done on people who are on their deathbed they are in a sealed chamber at the moment of their death 20 something grams of mass leaves their body... this consistently happens with every single human this is the soul this given to us by the creator of creators to protect us from our own creation so we can control physical time and move through time and space without the confinement of time and space this keeps us protected from our own invention allowing us to soul transfer. There is no objective reality in the third dimension in order to have objective reality you need to Observer to exist from the very beginning of time all the way to the end of time and even if such hypothetical Observer exists the end of time has not came yet so therefore objective reality does not exist and only subjective reality because everything is constantly changing and undefinable and there are no Baseline anything all of the Higgs bosons all of the fundamental particles are not fundamental at all they are constantly changing. Reality is completely subjective. All humans share the same water of Earth use your tears and manifest selfless thoughts into those tears and All Humans will share those tears and those thoughts in the future when you are cycled out of existence. All that exists is Destiny you have a limited amount of choices that you can choose you cannot choose to take off and fly around the earth with Superman powers and change everything it's not possible it is not a choice that you can make... you have limited predetermined choices that you can make. Technically everything is possible but playing the odds logically almost nothing is possible except for our day-to-day activities. It is all an illusion of choice there is nothing but Destiny and what is meant to be. You are not smart and you have no control embrace the reality of the situation.

@AaronProhaska

Жыл бұрын

@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler I'm not sure I track on all that and some of that sounds depressing and I'm not sure how losing some small amount of mass at death relates to free will but i hope you find something joyful to hold on to, free will or not. Good luck to you.

@vaibjsjd

11 ай бұрын

Very well observed and expressed your opinions about the topic with interesting examples to prove your points.👍

"Der Mensch kann tun was er will. Er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." - Schopenhauer

@eraoflearning6908

2 жыл бұрын

Please tell me meaning

@wesmann3999

2 жыл бұрын

@@eraoflearning6908 Man can do what he wants. He cannot however choose what it is he wants.

@eraoflearning6908

2 жыл бұрын

@@wesmann3999 this is intriguing

@marcdemell5976

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah!

We don't always know why we do things, but we can always create a reasonable story to explain it.

@claudiaarjangi4914

Жыл бұрын

haha 🤣, exactly..

@johnnybee69

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the unconscious delivers decisions, desires and impulses to our conscious selves and we then have to justify them. Though its often just a story, or a guess. Ask people why they like jazz, or yoga, or don't like gay people, or watch football, and watch them try to come up with a reasonable story, but really they've no idea of all the factors that went into that decision.

Thank you.

I like to think that the complexity of the decision making process is what makes us think we have free will. Because, let's be real, who in here decided whether or not to exist? Although, saying there's no free will, must not make us feel like what we do won't affect our decisions in the future and those around us.

@livethemoment5148

3 ай бұрын

Exactly....it is called Emerging Complexity and this emerging complexity can create many many things that , for the sake of simplicity we use simple words and models to describe what is going on. Life itself is an example of Emerging Complexity. But it is easier to call it LIfe, etc rather than go into all of the astounding details of what a DNA molecule consists of , of genes and epigenetic code in the dna, of all the proteins that are coded for, all of the gene regulation coded for, about the astounding complexity of a human cell, etc etc....easier to give it a concept and a name...Life.

Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate. - C.G. Jung

@stephenlawrence4821

3 жыл бұрын

And whether you make the unconscious conscious or not is fate and what you're conscious of is fate. It's all fate which ever way you look at it.

@winsomecohall2250

3 жыл бұрын

Carl jung is soooo right have to see that shadow self !!

@coryharasha

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlawrence4821 One can choose to believe all is fate or one can choose to master their destiny. Whether this choice is made consciously or not depends on the previous choices made by that individual. In other words, we are presented with conscious choices in each moment that are determined by the conscious choices we made in previous moments, but the tree distribution of timelines across of all possible choices one can make across their lifetime is predetermined. Consciousness allows one to have the experience of navigating to other branches of the predetermined tree by gaining enough wisdom to choose what will occur before it happens.

@stephenlawrence4821

3 жыл бұрын

@@coryharasha We always make the choice we are fated to make. Choice is no more than to select from options. What you're doing is presupposing it's something more.

@coryharasha

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlawrence4821 Personally, I believe the current moment allows one to change the future. You are presupposing time is one dimensional, linear, and unchangeable but I don't believe there is much evidence of that from quantum mechanics to multiple conscious observers spread across time and space to first person experiments one can perform with choices.

Daniel Dennetts thought experiment didn't catch up to the real world. They did a study and found out that instead of aggressive, people even tend to behave more kindly.

@drlivinghome

11 ай бұрын

You mean humans are not disgusting pieces of shit that need to be controlled by guilt and fear? Who would have thought! Do you have more info or a link to this experiment?

Great topic with the right people discussing. Should not a a debate be interactive? This is a lecture not a debate imo.

It's not free will, its a response to what you're convinced of.

Dan Dennett sounds like religious authority with his thought experiment. Especially with his explanation of it.

@engineeringreality7878

2 жыл бұрын

people with his rationality aren't helping humans progress.

@huskiehuskerson5300

2 жыл бұрын

@@engineeringreality7878 what?

@Lisel_Wanders

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. “Let me use this trick called a thought experiment on you to convince you of my point of view!” And I swear a I just read of an experiment where those primed with determinism were “more” moral afterwards. Is his example in opposition this this study or is he representing it inaccurately? I didn’t catch if he cited his source.

@dyva9

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lisel_Wanders I didn't get if he cited anything, but he just sounds like all old people making excuses on why we should think how they think

@TheNutCollector

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. Wondered if he was religious, I was trying to make out the fish pin on his lapel. Jesus fish? IDK, but I checked out his wiki page and apparently he's an atheist.

Dennett is also very disappointing here! Hhis thought experiment has no sense nor link with the real situation and is actually antiscientific. The data he talked about later is utterly misleading and not sufficient to making the point.

@christianbaughn199

3 жыл бұрын

His thought experiment is more akin to showing the effects of a placebo or hypnosis. You can swap out being told you have no free will for pretty much anything. Say someone tells you that your wife cheated on you. You will change certain behaviours (or rather certain behaviours will change) upon you being made aware of this information. His confused and illogical thought experiment actually suggests that there is no free will, at least it does to me. And there is no way that it couldn't have!!!

@al2642

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianbaughn199 totally agree. It shows that there is a cause for a reason, therefore no free will. Moreover, his one is not a thought experiment, but a metaphor for what he wants to prove.... He used the metaphor of his point as a proof of the point itself. That's exactly the same reasoning I often see in a church... Big mistake by Daniel

@christianbaughn199

3 жыл бұрын

@@al2642 Exactly my friend. I've never understood his popularity or many of his stances. He believes in determinism, yet claims we have "a free will worth having". One of his examples is that you have a rock thrown at you. Your choices are to move and avoid being hit by the rock, or stand still and let it hit you. To him those choices represent free will. To me there is no choice, you either move out of the way or you don't. But feeding in to the action you take is so much information that you would never be able to comprehend it. How good are your reflexes? Did you get a visual of the rock being thrown at you early? Due to experiences in the past you "recognise" that it is in your best interests to move and avoid pain. Is there a clear path for you to move into? Etc etc etc

@nabuk3

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that Dennett is not bringing his "A game" to this debate. He often uses logically flawed arguments in an attempt to rescue free will. This may be excusable in laymen, since the idea of not having free will is disturbing to many, but scientists should try to overcome this in the quest for truth.

@nabuk3

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianbaughn199 Christian, you're spot on. Even if a rumor of your wife cheating caused you to act differently with your wife, it would have nothing to do with the question of whether your wife actually cheated. That Dennett seems unable to recognize this principle when it comes to the question of free will is disappointing.

It is less the question if the free will exists in physical reality or if it is a concept of mind. It is the consequence we might draw from the answer that is crucial

Why not define what freewill is ? I'm doing what I choose to do given what I have of knowledge and capabilities I possess & that is sufficient in my opinion for me to say I am capable of freewill.

Odd that they gave Dennett so much more time than the others. His thought experiments are based on belief. Why couldn't his subject have done good things instead of criminal acts? The reason Dennett is oppose to the idea our will is not our own is based in fear. He's afraid that if we believe we are not responsible for our actions that we'll all go out and murder and steal and thieve and be bad people. I disagree. I think free will is a myth and this realization causes me to do none of those things.

@nerosuperstardom

Жыл бұрын

Except Dennett cited a study (that had been replicated in several different ways), that basically proved a lapse in responsibility when the belief that free will is non-existent is established. How is your assumption that every choice is predetermined by causes beyond our control not simply a belief? Has anyone demonstrated this empirically? (Seriously, if you know of any studies that have been done that establish this beyond mere assumption, please do share.) There really needs to be documented observation of the train of independent causal factors that lead to one decision, then another, then another, etc. before the denial of free-will can be so confidently disseminated.

@sashabrown1796

Жыл бұрын

@@nerosuperstardom Where has free will been proved to exist? It's more of a philosophical question still, and the arguments for free will being an illusion make more sense to me. Maybe arguments for free will make more sense to you. However neither are proven facts. Our perception of experience is not equivelent to reality. Making choices feels free, but we dont have infinite choice. We are constrained by biology, society, and uncountable other factors. Its interesting to consider because our world could be more just if we examined how modifying constraints affected behaviour. Whether or not we have complete free will, we have choices, and the illusion of free will. Our morals exist for reasons, and the fact that we have not come to them in a vaccuum doesn't mean we abandon them. Its similar to arguments against atheism. If there is no God, whats to stop people murdering and stealing and becoming 'evil'? Not all atheists are horrible people. We dont require a God, without, or within, to stop us from behaving anti socially.

@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler

Жыл бұрын

If you want to know why there's no such thing as free will just look up the definition of free and independently of Will and then look up the definition of Will and put the two definitions together and don't look up the definition of what free will actually it is because if you look up the definitions independently you get something totally different... there is no free will everything you do here just leads to more suffering it doesn't matter your goals on this planet all of your actions lead to a doubling of potentiality Y branches. There was a study done on people who are on their deathbed they are in a sealed chamber at the moment of their death 20 something grams of mass leaves their body... this consistently happens with every single human this is the soul this given to us by the creator of creators to protect us from our own creation so we can control physical time and move through time and space without the confinement of time and space this keeps us protected from our own invention allowing us to soul transfer. There is no objective reality in the third dimension in order to have objective reality you need to Observer to exist from the very beginning of time all the way to the end of time and even if such hypothetical Observer exists the end of time has not came yet so therefore objective reality does not exist and only subjective reality because everything is constantly changing and undefinable and there are no Baseline anything all of the Higgs bosons all of the fundamental particles are not fundamental at all they are constantly changing. Reality is completely subjective. All humans share the same water of Earth use your tears and manifest selfless thoughts into those tears and All Humans will share those tears and those thoughts in the future when you are cycled out of existence. All that exists is Destiny you have a limited amount of choices that you can choose you cannot choose to take off and fly around the earth with Superman powers and change everything it's not possible it is not a choice that you can make... you have limited predetermined choices that you can make. Technically everything is possible but playing the odds logically almost nothing is possible except for our day-to-day activities. It is all an illusion of choice there is nothing but Destiny and what is meant to be. You are not smart and you have no control embrace the reality of the situation.....

From a social perspective, it doesn't matter if free will is real or not. As long as we have the experience of choice, it is real to us humans and that's all that matters. We simply can't live our lives pretending we don't have free will.

@user-tv9to1oe2h

2 жыл бұрын

what a weirdly incomplete thought.

@S1L3nCe

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-tv9to1oe2h Try to act as if you did not have free well. Let us know how it goes 👍

@user-tv9to1oe2h

2 жыл бұрын

@@S1L3nCe how?

@S1L3nCe

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-tv9to1oe2h EXACTLY. You just can't and that's my whole point.

@user-tv9to1oe2h

2 жыл бұрын

@@S1L3nCe no the truth matters. The fact that we don't have free will means things like the death penalty can be debated. Or debated easier. You can still hold responsibility in a deterministic society.

Dennet is more concerned with keeping an illusion of free will because he thinks its harmful not to have one than the actual truth of the matter.

The last story blew my mind 🤯💥

@lex_s13

Жыл бұрын

It shouldnt have, the guy had already pre determined that if people believe that dont have free will then they will automatically become immoral and commit crimes.. which is just nonsensical thinking. Also, neuro scientists use evidance for their outcome, not fairytales or jokes..

@oufukubinta

Жыл бұрын

@@lex_s13 But he cited an experiment where people who hadn't been told that there is no free will cheated less than those who had been told that

@lex_s13

Жыл бұрын

@@oufukubinta you would need to have more data on said experiment.. e.g data wether or not they are thiest or athiest to begin with.. I could imagine thiests would be more likely to cheat, given that the concept or free will stems from a religious point or view.. do you happen to have a link to the experiment in question?

“People think freedom is about being unrestrained. No. Freedom is about being restrained so you can be free to do the things that really matter. But you have to be restrained from doing the things that don’t really matter to be able to move in that direction.” Marshall Vian Summers

@harshvardhan4766

3 жыл бұрын

I be like after reading this r/woosh

@Sethary.

3 жыл бұрын

Because free will exists.

@drjdsjr

3 жыл бұрын

Restrained by whom? You?

@oneworldonehome

3 жыл бұрын

@@drjdsjr By yourself.

@theexplorer9905

3 жыл бұрын

According to fundamental physics, everything that happens in the universe is encoded in its initial conditions. From the Big Bang onward, mechanical cause-and-effect interactions of atoms, formed stars, planets, life and eventually your DNA and your brain. It was inevitable. Your physical brain was therefore always destined to process information exactly as it does, so every decision that you are ever going to make is predetermined. You (your consciousness) are a mere bystander - your brain is in charge of you. Therefore you have no free will.

There is no free will as long as we have emotions, desires, or attachments because these are controlled in whole or in part by unconscious factors that are not accessible to us at the moment of a decision.

@LuizDK007

2 жыл бұрын

You can consciously control both your desires and your emotions. Isn't stoicism about that?

@user-is3yn7xr4c

2 жыл бұрын

"We have free will but we can't control our free will. It's the free will that controls us."

@jcblebowski

2 жыл бұрын

the subconscious makes our decisions, and it’s been proven by neuroscientists time-after-time. willpower is just anxiety before making a negative decision, and free will doesn’t truly exist in the absolute present moment. The past dictates the present.

@ivanleon6164

2 жыл бұрын

free will doesnt mean no self imposed boundaries

@rebecca9949

2 жыл бұрын

This is true if we make an impulsive decision. We also have the option (dare I say, the free will) to stop and reflect on our subconscious emotions, desires, and attachments to examine exactly where they came from and how and why they influence our decision making process. If we have the ability to change our original impulsive decision after a careful examination of how we arrived at that decision, this is evidence of free will yes? Most people are reactive and impulsive, but we also have the option to carefully cultivate self awareness.

Fantastic video!

2:48 my brain just immediately goes to friends and Joey his speech for the wedding ‘and it is because of this sharing and giving and receiving and having…’

"A man can do what he wills but he can't choose/will what he wills" - Arthur Schopenhaur. That we do not have free will of thought is evidenced by the fact that we cannot freely decide to remember or forget a so-called idea of the mind. Forgetting or remembering is, instead, a natural causal process

@eriknephrongfr8847

3 жыл бұрын

What are you thinking now? When did you decide to think it?

@ntactime_w3488

3 жыл бұрын

I think I understand. So what you remember makes up who you are, and therefore the collection of ideas which you are responsible to sift through and decide upon which to refrain and which to act. But what you remember is not what so ever apart of your conscious decision. So free will extended to an eternal soul according to these facts does not coincide.

@marvinedwards737

3 жыл бұрын

Schopenhaur is obviously wrong. A person routinely chooses what they will do. It's something we observe ourselves and others doing every day. And, yes, this is a natural causal process. All processes are natural causal processes. So what? That changes nothing. Reliable cause and effect? That is also true of every event. So what? That changes nothing. A person routinely chooses for themselves what they will do. When they are free to make that choice for themselves, we call that "free will" (literally a freely chosen "I will"). When the choice is forced upon them against their will, by someone or something else, then that is an unfree choice. It's that simple. How did Schopenhaur become so confused about these things?

@cosmicprison9819

2 жыл бұрын

Marvin Edwards This is a translation error: The German word "will" stems from "wollen", which is "want". The correct translation is "Man can do what he wants, but he can't want what he wants." So no, Schopenhauer isn't wrong, you've just misunderstood him - granted, based on an unfortunate way of translating his words by a previous commenter. 😉

@marvinedwards737

2 жыл бұрын

@@cosmicprison9819 Actually, by treating an addiction a person can choose to change what they want as well. I finally managed to quit smoking after years of unsuccessful attempts. I wanted to not want nicotine.

Interviewer: What is the best recipe, movie, and sports team on this planet? Michio Kaku: You asked some of the deepest questions in *physics*.

❤❤. There is no free will. I was a Dennett guy, but today after reading. Delusion by Robert Sapolsky and the Liebet research there is no free will. What a journey . We are responsible for everything . Thank. You. Robert Sapolsky. Frank Martinez. Downey library used book section.

Free will is Nivirna ❤❤❤ if u can reach there🧘🏽🧘🏽🧘🏽 the way that u can get really free will is the enlightenment

@Kaizrwolf

Жыл бұрын

You mean Nirvana? From the deterministic point of view described in this video, the environment in which you received life experience determined the inevitability of your achievement of nirvana

@compileman2

Жыл бұрын

I think "free will" is very far far from Nirvana.🙏

This is a good video in terms of the topic in general, but I believe a video like this should include Sam Harris. He wrote an entire book on this!

@dutchphysicist

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, and I think the merely - and completely misplaced in *any* scientific discussion - mechanical bachelor Bill Nye should give up his spot to allow for Sam Harris to give some real interesting opinions on this matter

@pradyotrai8717

3 жыл бұрын

And, Yuval Noah Hariri. He wrote one too.

@DWAGON1818

3 жыл бұрын

But Sam added nothing to the discussion. Just because he wrote a book he is still ignorant of the topic.

@crocodilehole

3 жыл бұрын

lmao

@sg5363

3 жыл бұрын

Bring in sadhguru too

Loving Daniel Dennet's thought experiment saying absolutely nothing about free will and everything about our flawed moral system.

@g99se9

Жыл бұрын

He used his time and mine freely, but all he added was rambling stories.

@jennytalia6724

Жыл бұрын

He's a conservative with an agenda

@greenwavefitness7545

Жыл бұрын

every time I listen to Dan Dennett, I'm more convinced that free will doesn't exist. good job, Dan!

@jipersson

Жыл бұрын

He described religion to a tee! You have free will, but remember some sky daddy watches your every move, and gave you the morals you have. making some people look for the border where their imagined god, tells them they gone too far, and since there is no god to tell them they've gone too far they up their "crimes" in an effort to get that imagined god to respond!

@hikermanwa

Жыл бұрын

It takes work on your behalf, you need to examine how you feel about the situation when the facts are tweaked.

If anyone can answer this. The argument for free will comes from the fact that there are laws of physics and it is what generates all the choices we make. But the very law that makes this was discovered by us assuming we have the ability to isolate (free to choose)factors or variables in an experiment to find a new law.

I think this is a fascinating subject we are just kinda hinting around at solutions. Scenario 1: there is a glass of water on the table in front of the chair you are sitting in. Whether you take a drink or not isn't free will, it's drive based on the 'thirst spectrum'. If you just almost drowned in the bathtub, you're probably the least thirsty vs the other extreme. I think this is inline with Sapolsky. Differentiating what is an aspect of biological function. Scenario 2: the choices for lunch are either a turkey sandwich or cream of broccoli soup, if free will exists, you should be able to choose a martian zantasqeristakat(I just made this up, don't google it), unless we're simply talking about this or that's, and that's just a simple binary reaction, which I would never call free will. The lesser of two evils isn't a choice, it's a reaction. The increase in variables only increases the computing time to render an answer. ps you didn't google that did you? I wonder why you chose to do that? hahahaha

Wow, this is really good. Thanks for uploading this, very thought provoking.

I see this video in my feed and free will already determined to watch it. 🤔🤨😋

@justanothernick3984

3 жыл бұрын

I saw Lex's interview with Sam Harris and searched for free will and still postponed this. Decisions aren't free will by default but we have autonomy within certain parameters meaning there is a spectrum here. Not either/or.

If there were no free will, this video would not have been made and these men would not have been able to think, decide, and share their opinion. Why is this not obvious…

I just cannot make up my mind!

Loved the cars vs traffic analogy. Absolutely accurate 👌🏾

@esletner

3 жыл бұрын

Not so much. You can know a lot about traffic based on your knowledge of cars. Likewise, you can know a lot about behaviour based on knowledge about brains. His claim that you can't know anything at all is ludicrous. The only point I will grant him is that growing complexity makes things more difficult to make sense of - but that seems rather self-evident...

@tudorandrei1998

3 жыл бұрын

@@esletner agreed

There is no free will when a few companies own everything and so you have the illusion of choice.

I don’t agree that free will exists, it’s only an illusion; we just want to believe that we are free of our choices but actually we are not because the background of the decisions we make come from the stuffs we can’t control. Remember: We can’t choose what we will feel, want and need next, and they (feelings, wants and needs) attribute our decisions and none of us can’t control them. Therefore destiny is real too.

This should be called No think! Professing themselves to be wise they became fools.

The final example would only seem to underscore the lack of freewill... it would seem to imply the external is more in control then who we THINK we are.

Michio kaku... How can that man always disappoint me

@giomjava

3 жыл бұрын

I'm turned off by him to the point that if I see his name somewhere, I assume the conversation will be empty or substance and only sciency wazzy-woozzy fictiony word salad

@al2642

3 жыл бұрын

@@giomjava and I'm really disappointed by Dennis's idea in here..... Did not expect that. This is maybe the only point I strongly disagree with him.

nothing will show you the intellect of a person more than asking this question

Excellent edit

The irony to the last story is so funny. He is basically telling those who do not believe in responsibility to act responsibly so that everyone else acts responsibly

@AshiqAli-hl4di

Жыл бұрын

100% agreed. He is simply present ling a circular argument, going against himself.

@albinnn4

Жыл бұрын

Not really, because responsibility can be learned and lived without free will. You just don't have a choice in weather you learn and adapt to it. There is a real concern here for people who conflate the two, because people tend to equate "no free will" to "choices not mattering". Thus making it worthwhile considering how to revealed it to people who aren't ready for it, by no choice of their own. Cause and effect still applies without free will, so we would still want to maximize our outcomes.

@drlivinghome

11 ай бұрын

I think some people are so trapped into the idea of people needing to be controlled in order not to become despicable people that they can't comprehend the idea of free will. His arguments were so poor and based on imagined scenarios that never happened

0:40 "for billions of years no free will and now there is but the physics haven't changed." Sounds like the best argument against free will I've ever heard. Also his last example 18:38 is hilarious because he's basically saying that simply by introducing a concept to human beings before an activity it will determine the outcome. Does this guy even listen to himself talk? I guess he's determined not to.

@gregariousguru

2 жыл бұрын

If this idea logically followed, then we could also suggest, " since the universe had no experience within its system for billions of years, and since the universe had no awareness or consciousness inside its system for billions of years, experience simply doesnt exit, because the laws of physics remain the same.🤔.....or since the universe was inanimate for billions of years, the animate do not exist, because the laws of physics haven't changed.🤔 Sounds like more madness added to the confusion.

@paddydiddles4415

2 жыл бұрын

Its hilariously that you have no idea about the sophistication and subtlety of DD comment, yet you pontificate like you have a clue

@actuallyZiggyZagga

2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of emergence?

@Danno1850

2 жыл бұрын

​@@paddydiddles4415 It's also hilarious that you could've told me about the specific "sophistication and subtlety" but you chose an insult instead. It shows more about you than me.

@Danno1850

2 жыл бұрын

@@actuallyZiggyZagga ya, super interesting

Those telling us theirs free will are using a moralistic goal that is favorable to society as argument. Rather than go with what the experts in the field have to say about free will, and that would be Dr Robert Sapolsky.

I like determinism because it is elegant and I feel that it is true

My view is that free will occurs when you have more control over your environment than your environment has on you. The factors that determine this is numerous. My view is that the level of control you have vs the level of control your environment has is extremely fluid. Some will argue though that your environment has complete control or that you have complete control over your environment. Neither seems to be true. It goes back and fourth depending on the circumstance.

@user-it5po2dq9w

2 жыл бұрын

Those circumstances are also environment. It's not really control of environment on ours but we try to go with choices that suit us best in environment we are in

@andybaldman

Жыл бұрын

Part of your environment is inside of you.

@justinfranchi5936

Жыл бұрын

Finally a decent comment. You're still being a bit black and white though by implying that free will "occurs" when your control is > 50%. It's not binary, it's a spectrum. Some things are 1% your choice and 99% percent other factors, some things are the reverse. For example, I have a real problem overeating right now and binging on junk foods. On a really good day, I might only take one bite. On a neutral day, I will eat half a pint of ice cream and save the rest. But on a very bad day when I'm not at all happy, I will eat endlessly, because I have given up caring. In all cases, I'm aware of what I'm doing. It is a matter of feeling motivated to control myself or not. But there is always SOME amount of free will being exercised. To give another example, if you poke someone unexpectedly, they will almost always say "ow" or the equivalent word in their language. But if you say to someone, I'm going to poke you but I want you to not say "ow", they can prevent themselves from saying it. Even reactions we think of as automatic are not necessarily so. So, even if we eventually discover somehow a hundred years down the road that free will simply does not exist according to the most strictest science, we still have a kind of de facto free will, because we are able to prevent anything that is assumed to be automatic physiological evolutionary based responses from happening, ie anger, sexual desires, appetite, and even some physical processes like breathing or sleeping.

I love the irony of an experiment showing the negative social impacts of casting doubt on free will which also undermines free will. Those students didn't choose what text to read and the results of the experiment suggest their moral judgements were affected by something they don't control!

@user-uj6tc4pj1x

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing that out. Your point reminds me of Socrate's Cave and Plato's myths. Some concepts are unfounded in fact but useful in society. In the end, I like that uncertainty principle. Free will and determinism both look like myths under scrutiny. Even when they seem to apply, there's room for uncertainty. Uncertainty seems helpful. It helps to reflect compassionately on our pasts and see each other with humility. Putting all three together, it helps to recognize that we need to plan based on data and account for limits in our perception.

@andrewwalters8537

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that should be profoundly embarrassing for Dennett. Also, I loathe the appeal to consequences fallacy. "If what *you* believe were true, you'd be worse off."

@janejohnston1118

2 жыл бұрын

Ok, Humanity has used stories to influence society. Do we accept all stories as truth? If one did not question or think out of the box things would remain the same. Is not questioning free will.? If society takes away the right to question what happens to the biological human? The idea that life is predetermined or discoveries are bound to happen at a certain time due to a gravitational or electromagnetic wave weather does not take into account wormholes where electrons join another galaxy as their geometrical time had come. The question is can we make our time on earth where we have the ability to talk, relate, can we believe in each other enough to make our planet our moral compas? On another note if there is always a space in between things could that be free will?

@holdurboi7532

Жыл бұрын

Well then by that logic every single psychology experiment would be wrong because all the subjects are being subjected to something they don’t control.

@r.davidsen

Жыл бұрын

In that study, there are also other groups of people who aren't even mentioned. The three main groups are all the people who were asked to join but chose not to participate, those who had agreed to participate but could not, and those who weren't asked at all. Out of those three groups, the group of people who decided not to join used their free will to not participate. In other words, both you and I indirectly participated in that study. Just because we were not aware of it until now, does not mean your will was tested. In fact, the study is still ongoing even though it was closed and concluded, as all of us has a choice to take the test or even duplicate it ourselves and present it to others. There are many other alternative choices to make. Another one is to ignore everything I just said and pretend that I did not write this of my own free will. I can even delete everything I just wrote and keep my thoughts to myself. But if I don't post them here, then you, the reader, might never realize that you are always tested, and that you always have a choice, constantly. Whether you are aware of it or not is not impaired by your willingness to act upon your own thoughts or not.

Even if we don't have free will, it's clear that we're wired to believe we do. We will always perceive that we choose our behavior. I believe we don't. What seems to settle the issue is the well-known experiment which demonstrates that decisions only reach consciousness after they've been made in the subconscious mind. But we will always believe profoundly that we have freedom of choice, no matter what we think on an intellectual level.

Trust in your own direct experience. It is the primary reality. It is possible to train oneself through meditation to see how decisions are being made in the mind, not by using a machine, by directly in one’s own experience at a very subtle level. The mind is like a committee with many different agendas. By training all the committee members to work in unison it is possible to see how the mind is actually constructing one’s experience continually and remove any doubts about personal agency.

I’ve never understood the concept of “freewill.”

@enniomojica7812

Жыл бұрын

It simple. Are you aware that you exist. If you are aware of that then you have free will.

there is no free will just consciousness sprinkled with emotion

I think therefore I am! I can will , can decide or will not.

In any debate there is first the definition of terms. Free will does not mean the same thing to everyone. It is to the one with the prerogative to design the substrate of existence that exercises a creative will. Only one can have free will all the rest are presented with a finite number of choices.

Man, Sapolski is always very enlightening but ever so depressing. He is like a psychedelic trip forcing you to look human nature in the eyeballs. Being sober and hearing it is pretty abrasive.

3 жыл бұрын

I really like him in his other videos. He is blunt, and that makes things simpler to follow. When people start beating around the bush the answer gets muddled and the logic is harder to remember.

@A3Kr0n

2 жыл бұрын

Love it!

@pamelapap

2 жыл бұрын

In another interview about free will he talks about his experience with depression. It was really sad to hear. I appreciate him so much I hope he realizes that so many people appreciate him.

@LateButGreat

2 жыл бұрын

@@pamelapap Yeah! Same hope

@prash87pb

2 жыл бұрын

@@pamelapap can you please link the video?

Well, hiding from people the truth that they don't have free will, isn't that an immoral act in and of itself?

@Someone-cd7yi

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, and if people behave more badly after reading that free will doesn't exist, that doesn't prove that free will does exist. All it means is the all biologic processes, previous knowledge and experiences plus the new acquired information makes them behave that way.

@MarkoKraguljac

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it is. No free will means more humility and a very different human world.

@ConnoisseurOfExistence

3 жыл бұрын

@@Someone-cd7yi Yup.

I know in the experiment, telling the subjects that they had no free will led them to act less morally. But it doesn’t have to be that way. I believe we have no true free will, but I’m aware that every choice we make has an effect on other people. Instead of simply telling the test subjects “you have no free will,” they could also have told the people that their choices are made from chemicals in the brain, from “formulas” that were preset to make them act in certain ways.

I'm just amazed that we can have this discussion in the first place. Life is so amazing.

Free will is what the mind believes it has when choices are made. When only awareness is left there is no illusion of the mind.

Here I am, watching Daniel Dennett talk about OCD, and I simply cannot stop staring at that one hair on his moustache...

@harshpherwani6590

3 жыл бұрын

Me, with ocd, wondering about free will and getting scared of not having it.

@justanothernick3984

3 жыл бұрын

@@harshpherwani6590 Don't worry, you have autonomy. It's limited within some boundaries but you can decide.

The last speaker impressed me the most.

I tried to understand the point of view of those saying we don't have free will but I simply cannot beyond that they are over exaggerating or over simplifying what is or is not considered "free will". Choice is free will. Point, blank, and simple.

Even if it is a lie, I will defend my choices and choose love and compassion until the day I die.

@MarkoKraguljac

3 жыл бұрын

Point of "no free will" is not to take away from you anything but to treat you with understanding and humility when you (or anyone else) fall. Thats love and compassion.

@jmerlo4119

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarkoKraguljac - 10/10

@thespiritus4440

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarkoKraguljac thank you for sharing your truth man!

@jeffreybensley5790

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, you're so morally superior. A hero to your own self. Tell me more about how revolting wonderful you are. Cheap heroics are so cowardly.

@ataylor992

3 жыл бұрын

There is nothing cowardly about stating your belief openly- if you are being honest. Which I have no reason to doubt. There are positive and negative forces in this world. Choose wisely friends.

Robert Sapolsky and Steven Pinker are some of the most admirable men of our time. If you want to find some good men for your sons to role model after- look no further. Both are intelligent, humorous, calm, friendly, compassionate, and personally, I think they’re both handsome. What more can you ask for!?

@fabian5002

Жыл бұрын

Yes, except Sapolsky is the better of the two. Pinker is wrong sometimes, and even Sapolsky points that out

@UN1VERS3S

Жыл бұрын

@@fabian5002 they're humans. Both have strengths and weaknesses.

@towardsthelight220

11 ай бұрын

​@@fabian5002he's a materialist, but I like Sapolsky anyway.

@hamburgler227

10 ай бұрын

Weird take but ok

@deathshredking

9 ай бұрын

Is being a buddy of Jeffrey Epstein one of the criteria for being a most admirable man?

If I make a choice to do something, that action is the result of studying various pieces of information I have available to me, relevant to my decision. I alone made that decision formed by personal choice. NOBODY, externally or 'internally' forced or coerced me into my decision. If THAT is 'free will' then so be it. Having someone else 'making decisions' for me is THE best way of never having to take responsibility for anything I think, feel, say or do. It will always be someone else's fault. Very much like a narcissist. To me, having 'free will' is the ability to fully accept responsibility for what I think, feel, say and do.

Long back I was told about book called "Diceman" who subjected his choices to dice. I think that too was kind of "thought experiment" worth replication