I'll just end my two cents with saying this: it doesn't matter how you were born, but you must be born again.

@patrickmc4851

7 жыл бұрын

You know the God that you worship said that it's okay not just to own slaves but also to beat them, right? Exodus 21:20-21, Leviticus 25:44-46.

@bulldogsbob

7 жыл бұрын

It also says a permanently injuried soace was to be set free.

@whateverbro3848

7 жыл бұрын

+Patrick MC Yeah, it also says that in the old testament. Come back when you have a violent verse in the new testament.

@patrickmc4851

7 жыл бұрын

Oh so the God speaking, giving those instructions to Moses to pass on to his people has nothing to do with the God you believe in?

@jerrykrause4458

7 жыл бұрын

+Patrick MC - Read, think, comprehend and read some more.

*"The heart is deceitful above all things" Jeremiah 17:9*

@dieanne7471

4 жыл бұрын

@James Brashears more than once, it's stated that the heart is treacherous. Leading with the flesh only takes you away from God and that is why we as Christians are told to lead with the spirit. We all have feelings and desires but that doesn't mean we should act on them. Shalom brother.

@jordanisraelpeterson2891

3 жыл бұрын

Boom Bam BOOM BAM! Amen.

@mpshields

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! 🤣 Sounds like Jeremiah has loved & lost. That guy needs psychiatric counselling.

@mpshields

3 жыл бұрын

@May I halik you?: Insults? No, you cloud your own stupidity. You've proven nothing. You're argument begins with a foregone conclusion. You have no truth. You're guessing what 2000 year old fables from the middle east mean.

@mpshields

3 жыл бұрын

@Boom Bam: Really? Does your precious Bible predict 534,000 innocent people to suffer horribly and die from Covid 19. While an Almighty Powerful Loving God Silently & Invisibly stands by & watches? I predict more will die, so am I a God? Like .... so what man.... Get Real.

Yes, divorce hurts children. Almost as much as having parents who constantly fight and visibly hate each other

@jaclo3112

2 жыл бұрын

Every one of my siblings and I were unable to form meaningful relationships due to watching the godly, toxic marriage of our parents who only stayed together because "god said so". Took years of therapy for us to learn what basic respect was in a relationship. Turned out we werent the only family in this situation. It was the common experience of the majority of kids we grew up with in our fundamentalist christian community that was unsurprisingly riddled with domestic violence and child abuse.

@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046

2 жыл бұрын

What does that have to do for homosexuality

@jaclo3112

2 жыл бұрын

@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 i take it you didnt watch the video. Otherwise you would know why Jordi addressed what was discussed in the video....which wasn't just homosexuality.

@saved217

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaclo3112 You didn't really have Christian parents then .

@VulpineCortex

2 жыл бұрын

@@saved217 no, that's exactly what Christian parents act like

The question isn’t about marriage though, it’s “How can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone” as a gay atheist who wouldn’t get married, you’ve just skimmed over the whole question by banging in about same sex marriage rather than the sexuality itself.

@breakingboundaries3950

2 жыл бұрын

You are denying yourself a happy life, in love with somebody else, having a family, children to raise..because your faith makes you think you’re an abomination - you are not. You are loved and would still be loved for accepting yourself. You are enough, even without somebody else telling you that you are.

@christworks3458

Жыл бұрын

@@breakingboundaries3950 you don’t need a partner nor children to have a happiness. If they don’t want that, then they don’t have to. Not everyone desires a family or romantic relationships.

@breakingboundaries3950

Жыл бұрын

@@christworks3458 well of course if somebody doesn’t want that they shouldn’t feel pressured to, but neither should they be pressured not to do something they do want to do.

@user-qh6bo2pl5j

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@frankelliott244

2 ай бұрын

As a gay cancer patient, I have to ask what the hell makes Christian think they have the right to force gay people to live and die alone? I ask this because people with partners in cancer wards are more likely to survive than those who don’t have partners.

People don’t preach it because they fear their church attendance will shrink.

@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. Same reason they dont preach that divorce is not allowed by God bc only death breaks the marital Covenant. AND, that remarriage after a divorce while the original Covenant spouse is still alive puts one into CONSTANT ADULTERY.

@Sandra-wj4on

3 жыл бұрын

Therefore their incoming money will shrink.

@lionessrise5891

3 жыл бұрын

..and or they in it themselves. It's all fornication and adultery (some cases). The church will continue to struggle to have conviction and deliverance because we not addressing the real sexual issues on a spiritual level. Flee fornication is easy to say but can we expound on why. Amen Luie

@Shield60

3 жыл бұрын

@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 infidelity also breaks the covenant

@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shield60 No it doesn't brother. Sorry that's a man made myth. Read the following verses for proof... Mark 10:9 Romans 7:1-3 1 Corinthians 7:39

Honestly I'm just here to see how the other half thinks. You can't step into an argument without listening to the person you disagree with.

@AJCVYC93

3 жыл бұрын

Darn right!

@AJCVYC93

3 жыл бұрын

@Mason Moore This woman might not agree with this video, but she's respectfully stepping out of her echo chamber, which is a great thing to do

@eric-qs8ii

3 жыл бұрын

than who’s gonna talk first?🤔

@brandyjordan5947

3 жыл бұрын

@@AJCVYC93 thank you.

@brandyjordan5947

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric-qs8ii doesn't really matter. I'll know how he or she thinks even if I talk first because of this video. I can see where they come from and understand what they're saying.

To the people who think that being gay is a choice, does that mean when you were young you could have chosen to be gay if you wanted to? If you answer no to that question, why would you think that someone else could choose to be gay? I honestly don't know why I am gay, but I do know that it had nothing to do with how my parents raised me. I was nowhere near a "momma's boy". I was actually much closer to my dad and spent more time with him than I did with my mom, and he treated me just like any "normaI" dad would treat his son. I was raised exactly the same way and in the same house as my older brother, who turned out to be straight. And I was never sexually abused when I was a kid. I never even knew anyone who was gay until I was 17. Nothing about my childhood was abnormal or out of the ordinary. If it were as easy as just being a choice, I would have chosen to be straight a long time ago, because the discrimination and hatred that many gay people face has tormented me for most of my life. Because of that, I still haven't accepted myself for being gay, unfortunately, from the time I knew that I was different when I was 8-9 years old, all the way up until today. I thank God that there are caring people out there who support and understand the LGBTQ community.

@GavinAlexander.

Жыл бұрын

@Viktor Petrov Sweetie, you're that troll using 4-5 burner troll accounts because you're embarrassed by your inability to defend your arguments. Everything you're prattling on about, you've already lost numerous times over, and you just keep repeating it. Why are you so obsessed with the attention of gay men, troll? Hmmm? Is it internalized homophobia because you're gay and this is the only way you can interact with gay men?

@djhutcherson6761

Жыл бұрын

@Viktor Petrov so are you saying that if you wanted to, you could choose to turn gay and be sexually attracted to other men? Do you think you could ever be tempted and enjoy having sex with men, and have the desire for that kind of relationship? If you think that you could never have the desire to be with a man and enjoy having sex with men, that means that your sexual orientation probably isn't something you could ever change, no matter how badly you wanted to be gay. What do you think causes homosexuality? Like I said before in my comment above, I don't know what the cause was in my case. I have never really believed the argument that gay people are "born that way", but I am sure that your sexual orientation isn't fluid, and that it will never be possible for me to find women sexually attractive, even though I would give my right arm to be straight.

@katamas832

Жыл бұрын

@@djhutcherson6761 I don't recommend engaging with him, he's just making assertions and playing games, not worthy of your time.

@MusicalRaichu

Жыл бұрын

@Viktor Petrov Sin is a choice. The fact that being gay is not a choice proves it's not a sin.

@walkergarya

Жыл бұрын

@Viktor Petrov "It's a choice. All sin is a choice." 1. There is no "sin". 2. Your silly list of rules has little to do with real morality. 3. Who you are attracted to and the strength of that attraction is the result of very complex biology and physiology and is NOT a choice of the individual.

Whut? "Children have always been brought forth in monogamous marriage"? You should try reading the Bible. Abraham had one wife (his half-sister, by the way) and at least one concubine. We don't _know_ if Isaac had any concubines, but there's nothing to indicate that he would have thought it was wrong. Jacob had _two_ wives and _two_ concubines. Mosaic Law - God's Perfect Law - allows for marrying more than one woman. Gideon, a champion of Israel, had two wives. King David, who was "a man after the God's own heart" had _eight_ wives. Polygamy and concubinates are _everywhere_ in the Old Testament.

@efearioga5117

2 жыл бұрын

Those families from the OT that you mentioned had a lot of conflict and problems in the home. Hence why God said that we should only have one man and one wife.

@Valdagast

2 жыл бұрын

@@efearioga5117 Where did he say that again? Not in the Mosaic Law. Also, God really shouldn't have to learn that multiple wives lead to problems. He should already know.

@efearioga5117

2 жыл бұрын

@@Valdagast It says so in the NT (specifically in Paul’s letters)

@j-bone9472

2 жыл бұрын

@@efearioga5117 There is conflict between monogamous couples as well: Adam and Eve, Isaac and Rebecca, Samson and Delilah. There is conflict in all relationships. Just because there is conflict means it's a sin?

@krazy911

2 жыл бұрын

I think you guys should differentiate man's will from God's will.

I like "we are in the world but not of this world." That helps me a lot.

@melissasw64

4 жыл бұрын

@yellowleaf Ohhhh. Thank you for sharing that. I find myself getting caught up in the wordly ---can I say "crap?" Like you said, "built on sand." I appreciate your post. I hope you have a good, positive, productive day.

@melissasw64

3 жыл бұрын

@yellowleaf I respect your search for truth and your study of the Bible. I am intrigued by the people who so adamantly refuse to believe. Like you, I pray for them, and hope they find some peace somewhere. I In your opinion, Yellowleaf, what makes some atheists so angry? Some atheists don't seem to even think about God and don't seem to care. It is the angry, vicious atheists who intrigue me. Why are they so angry about something in which they don't believe?

@yaheard215

3 жыл бұрын

We're ambassadors part of a Kingdom not of this worldly flesh mentality. So as we live in the spirit we see God's laws and love.

@melissasw64

3 жыл бұрын

@@yaheard215 I like "not of this worldly flesh mentality. It's interesting to me how different I feel being a Christian. Do you feel that?

@sunray9315

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, its another way saying we are full of bullshit.

I have a question for the religious people. Sexuality doesn't change as things like conversion therapy don't work and actually severely harm the people who undergo it. This would imply that sexuality is a part of a person, and they were born with or naturally developed their sexuality. Why would God purposefully put someone on this Earth who is gay or lesbian if it's wrong? Why would He set someone up for failure?

@mariemzobiri5793

2 жыл бұрын

It's a test humans are tested with issues all the time and its a huge temptation god is testing what you can give up for him

@eve4685

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariemzobiri5793 So this all loving God wants people to give up happiness and the potential for a fulfilling, loving relationship for him? Why? To assert some weird sense of servitude and dominance? That's one thing I'll never understand. Some people phrase God as a loving father-figure that they have a personal relationship with and others phrase him as a dictator. Do you want to be ruled by someone who has a personal relationship with you or a dictator?

@mariemzobiri5793

2 жыл бұрын

@@eve4685 cause heaven isn't easy it takes hard work and sacrifice for someone to deserve also am genuinely sorry I don't make these rules

@eve4685

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariemzobiri5793 Why does this benevolent God torture His creation in hell, or if you don't believe in hell, deny them happiness for something as simple as loving another person. Isn't the most integral teaching of most religions loving the people around you?

@mariemzobiri5793

2 жыл бұрын

@@eve4685 you can love it's just forbidden to get sexual

As long as there’s been human history, people have raised children within groups and practiced polygamy. Claiming humans have always been monogamous between one man and one woman is completely false. Colonialism & Patriarchy wants to believe that’s true, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Why should my religion dictate the lives of others?

@limelightprince

2 жыл бұрын

It's not dictate gadha

@rooban989

2 жыл бұрын

If they follow the same religion

@michelled.4874

2 жыл бұрын

AcerMaple72 "Why should my religion dictate the lives of others?" Go tell that to the Right-Wing Conservatards. They want their interpretation of Christianity to dictate the lives of others and take away their first amendment rights (especially freedom of speech, freedom of choice, separation of "church" and state, freedom of and from religion, etc). I'm a Center-Left Christian, and I can tell you this, If the Right-Wing Conservatards had their way, society would regress back into the Dark Ages, and everyone except for the Right-Wing Fundies (non-Christian religious people, Atheists, progressive Christians, etc) would be jailed, beaten, tortured, killed, burned at the stake for questioning, disagreeing with, or rejecting Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology. They already started bringing fascism to America, taking people's basic rights away, and attempting to dictate the lives of others like banning sex education, birth control, safe and legal life-saving abortion for women who were abused by men and little girls who were abused by child predators, gay marriage, gay adoption, interracial marriage, medically assisted suicide for people who are in excruciating pain all the time and have very little to no quality of life, etc, etc. Your beliefs and you values are between you and Jesus/God, it's none of the Conservatives' business, so when they try to lecture you or try to force you to live by their messed up Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology, tell them to fuck off, that's what I do.

@applejuice9468

2 жыл бұрын

It shouldn't

@TheVintress

Жыл бұрын

eexactly, religion is an IDEOLOGY at the end of the day, not everyone has to believe in it

Well at least these people can have a conversation with the most polite manners and cordiality in the world.

@leeduon8012

8 жыл бұрын

Watching people politely debate a prejudicial viewpoint has an odd way of being worse than watching the knuckle-draggers scream about it.

@cellasedui6061

8 жыл бұрын

You're clearly a bigot if you can't respect that these people have a different viewpoint than you do. A lot of people think there is something spiritually and/or morally wrong with homosexuality.

@cellasedui6061

8 жыл бұрын

Admittedly so.

@leeduon8012

8 жыл бұрын

+Greed777 Rightly so.

@cellasedui6061

8 жыл бұрын

Quite quite.

Let GOD be true and every man a liar.

@katamas832

3 жыл бұрын

So you're lying right now

@lionbolt2136

3 жыл бұрын

@@katamas832 so are you 😆 hehe

@lionbolt2136

3 жыл бұрын

In this life, there is truth in alot of things but God is the Ultimate Truth. Let those who are without God be as liars because they Deny The Ultimate Truth. Because if you Deny the Truth, Your a liar. When we tell the Truth, We uphold it and Strengthen its Hold.

@katamas832

3 жыл бұрын

@@lionbolt2136 No, if you deny the truth, you are either ignorant or delusional. Which creationists often are. What's the ultimate truth? How do you know it is ultimate?

@marineu8106

2 жыл бұрын

@@katamas832 Truth is not a concept, is a person, just like love is not a concept, but a person. You don’t know Who Truth and Love is, then what you think you know doesn’t matter.

Child marriage is already legal in all but 4 states in the U.S. the attempt to outlaw it is opposed by religious groups, mainly Christian. So the people in this video will be addressing that right? Will we see videos about the dangers of child marriage?

@HornyOnMain

2 жыл бұрын

@Red Skull excuse me what?

@MoLtenMetaL7

Жыл бұрын

Why child marriage is wrong in your opinion though? (If it is mutually agreed)

@gryph346

Жыл бұрын

@@MoLtenMetaL7 What ? Because it's a child. If a child cannot consent to sexual actions, why would marriage suddenly be okay ?

@marquicetaylor3941

Жыл бұрын

@@gryph346 see but the Bible doesn’t condemn it so is it okay ?? even tho we know morally it’s wrong. That’s why it’s belived a lot of homosexual verses are about pedophilla.

@gryph346

Жыл бұрын

@@marquicetaylor3941 You need a book that plenty of people myself included do not believe in to teach you about morality ? If you wanna talk about the bible, Mary was suposedly between 13 and 14 years old when she gave birth to jesus. She would've been married or engaged to Joseph, which would make him 19 or 20. So the god from the bible literally choose a child bride. Ew. And you want morals out of this ?

Here's a tip for you, (free, at no charge) homosexuality isn't wrong. Now with that out of the way you can get on with living your life and let others live theirs.

@fred_derf

2 жыл бұрын

@Possum Are you talking about he 1961 team (male & female) that died in a plane crash?

@stopcensorship7705

2 жыл бұрын

there are well documented risks associated to such lifestyle.

@fred_derf

2 жыл бұрын

@@stopcensorship7705, _"there are well documented risks associated to such lifestyle."_ If you don't like the risks, then don't live the lifestyle (whatever "the lifestyle" is supposed to mean). No one is trying to force you to live such a lifestyle, are they?

@fred_derf

2 жыл бұрын

@Darth Sidious, writes _"It [homosexuality] is wrong"_ If you feel that way then I recommend you not do it. But since other disagree with you and their actions don't affect you in any way what so ever, hows about you just leave them be?

@OakenTome

2 жыл бұрын

@Darth Sidious What makes it wrong?

As of June 2020, Voddie has stood firm on the word of God and has not conformed to this world, but has stood firm on the inerrancy and sufficiency of the word of God for every real world event and decisions.

@tazzyt5269

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah now they want to force doctrine on 4, 5, 6 year Olds etc about transgender identity in schools Just focus on ACBs jeez....so sad.

@camerong5513

Жыл бұрын

did God speak directly to Voddie?

@tazzyt5269

Жыл бұрын

@@camerong5513 he speaks to us through his word. The Bible.

@camerong5513

Жыл бұрын

@@tazzyt5269 so God doesn't speak directly to you. Got it

@angiesmith1675

Жыл бұрын

@@tazzyt5269 I second that!

There is no such thing as them and us. We are all sinners. The only thing saves us is blood of Jesus, covers all sinns. My God is strong fortress, I am safe in him.

@cheff007inthekitchen7

3 жыл бұрын

@Ddot Norreh We must pray for them. Blood of Crist is more than enough for all.

@bradcrampton8920

3 жыл бұрын

there is no greater us and them concept than the sheep and the goats, heaven or hell.

@bradcrampton8920

3 жыл бұрын

@saint of jesus Christ a convenient way to dodge guilt and resist personal growth which is why christianity in its fundamental form is psychologically detrimental.

@almondwater9583

3 жыл бұрын

Brad Crampton the Bible is all about pain in life and then growing from it lol what are you talking about? 😂

@mosesmuhane

3 жыл бұрын

The spirit and flesh can not meet.

There is NO rational argument anyone can present to define homosexuality as being "wrong". PERIOD.

@shidfard

2 жыл бұрын

I have plenty of rational arguments ;)

@GavinAlexander.

2 жыл бұрын

@@shidfard yet you didn't present one.

@shidfard

2 жыл бұрын

@@GavinAlexander. Hmsxlity is a net negative to society as it perverses natural gender roles and lead to further degeneracy and break down of nuclear family roles in society. All great socities that have accepted and normalized said behavior have collapsed. Polygamy runs rampant in said hmsxual cultures. A lot of evidence points to it being a paraphilia due to is deviation from the species. ;)

@GavinAlexander.

2 жыл бұрын

@@shidfard *"Hmsxlity is a net negative to society as it perverses natural gender roles"* First, this is an Argument from Nature logical fallacy. What is deemed "natural", is not the arbiter of what is right or wrong, good or bad. Cancer is natural, but that classification does not make cancer right or good. Glasses are unnatural, but that classification does not make glasses bad or wrong. Secondly, just because YOU proclaim it's against nature, does not mean it actually is. When did nature arise with a sentient consciousness, then impart its intent to you? Meanwhile, what can be observed in nature, is natural. And same-sex attraction and gender fluidity can be observed all throughout nature. Some species are asexual, some can change gender at will, and then there are intersex humans (google it). So your notions of nature, are directly contradicted by examples in nature. in short, not a rational argument. *"and lead to further degeneracy"* Your opinion, and not a rational argument. *"and break down of nuclear family roles in society."* Your opinion, and not a rational argument. *"All great socities that have accepted and normalized said behavior have collapsed. Polygamy runs rampant in said hmsxual cultures."* Nice claim. Now list the specified "all great societies", then demonstrate evidence they "accepted and normalized said behavior", and that historians agree this was THE causal agent to those societies collapse. Meanwhile, the Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 2001, and shows no sign of this "break down of nuclear family", nor societal collapse. Nor has any other nation that has legalized it. Modern examples, directly contradict your opinion regarding this. So this argument is not only errant, but it's also a variation on a Slippery Slope Logical Fallacy. So not a rational argument. *"A lot of evidence points to it being a paraphilia due to is deviation from the species. ;)"* This is just a word salad of nonsense. And it's an attempt to employ an Argument from Normality fallacy. So again, not a rational argument.

@Fr4nkSanchez

2 ай бұрын

It is based on psychological acceptation rather than mental and biological behavior. In 1977 APA just removed the homosexuality from a mental issue just by voting there was and is plenty of scholar studies that probes that is indeed a mental problem. However, society has changed this to a simply something psychological.

As a atheist I cat help but laugh.... I don't have a shit if someone if gay or straight.. I'm not s pervert thinking of someone's sexual orientation all the time

@scooteranthony6297

Жыл бұрын

Then why are you here? This discussion is for gays and straights that DO give a shit about God and heaven.

@sadiemason-martin5340

Жыл бұрын

Same i don't care if you are gay or straight or what your race or religion is

This men are most to be admired for standing up for christ.

@rosen9930

3 жыл бұрын

the bible say many many time love and respect everyone these men arent loving and respecting everyone, there more of a bad person then I am because they hate and dont respect a whole comunity but the only person I hate is, trump

@eltrinogomez777

3 жыл бұрын

I love and respect you,even though i dont know you,this men love and respect you,i have watched this video through and through,no hate in their words,just the truth about Jesus and God,he doesn't condone sin,any sin for that matter,so forget the way you think born,every man must be born again,thats the only way to God,we all must do what he says,if you lie,you must quit lying,if you kill you must quit it and surrender to God,if you are a man and you say you re attracted to a man,you must turn to christ to help you overcome that sin and be free. No hate,just the truth,we Christians don't hate,but we are compelled to speak the truth,even though the media will have you believe the opposite.

@debbiemartin8523

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonalhomophobie debs husband says I am curious to know what you base your opinion on? All I have done is stated what the Bible says. A person either believes it or they don't. You can't have it both ways. I have not called anyone names or used hateful rhetoric. Some people get mad when they hear what the Bible says because it exposes their sins and people don't like being exposed. They want someone to pat them on the head and tell them what they want to hear. People can believe whatever they want but it doesn't change the truth.

@garethifan1034

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonalhomophobie There is everything to admire about them.

@debbiemartin8523

3 жыл бұрын

Debs husband says you can believe whatever you want but I have chosen to believe God. What God says is far more important than what you, me, or anyone else says. If a person chooses to live in sin that is their right to do so. At the judgement their blood will be on their head not mine.

Be born again. Accept Jesus as your Lord and savior! There is power the name of Jesus to break every chain.

@steveroberts704

4 жыл бұрын

Why is it wrong to quote Leviticus 18:22? First and foremost, because we don’t use any other verse from this entire book, not one, to set standards of conduct for modern living. Not one! Who cannot see the hypocrisy in such misappropriation of Scripture? People who love to quote this one verse cannot quote any other verse from this book... at all. If you are going to quote one verse in Leviticus, and if you are going to stand on that one verse, believing that it is valid today, then you have to follow ALL of Leviticus. Quoting Leviticus 18:22 as an argument against homosexuality is, first of all, taking scripture out of context, and any theologian will tell you that this is a cardinal sin of translation. Why is this? Because Leviticus 18:22 has to be understood in its relevance to the rest of the entire eighteenth chapter, as well as the entire book of Leviticus. A person cannot understand the meaning of one verse completely by reading only that one verse. One has to understand what the writer meant by understanding the situation in which the verse was written. What led to that verse being written? What led to that chapter being written? What led to that entire book being written? Until you can answer those questions, you do not fully understand what you read. If you are going to read the Bible and tell anyone what any portion of it means, then to properly do that, you have to do four things: 1.) Historical Research - Go back to the time in which it was written and ask, “What was happening in that time that made the writer put these words to print?” 2.) Cultural Research - Study the culture of the people who wrote this portion of the Bible to see how their culture was different from our culture today. 3.) Linguistic Research - Go back to the original language in which that portion of scripture was written and see what the words meant when they were written. 4.) Anthropological Research - Study the origins, the development, the beliefs and customs of the people who wrote these passages. A point I should interject here, if the version of the Bible that you use has the word “homosexual” anywhere in it, use it with caution! The word homosexual was not invented until 1869, when the Hungarian physician, Karoly Maria Benkert, created terms for the many variations in sexual orientation. Leviticus 18:22 , in the original Paleo-Hebrew, says: “V’et zachar lo tishkav mishkveh ishah toevah he.” The first two words “v’et” means, “and with.” The next word is “zachar,” and a zachar is themale phallic symbol used in the sexual rituals of the temple of Molech. The entire 18th chapter of Leviticus is a prohibition against any further worship in the temple of Molech for the Israelites, and it lists all of the sexual rituals that were used in that temple worship. The 22nd verse even mentions the tool that was used with the temple prostitutes, the zachar, and if you want further mention of this tool, look no further than Ezekiel 16:17 “You took your beautiful things, made of the gold and silver that I had given you, and you made yourself images of men and fornicated with them.” Here the words are “tsalmey zachar” meaning “phallic images.” I would also mention that doing so did not make someone an outcast. It rendered them “toevah,” ritually impure, not “zimah,” a wrong that is a “violation of justice.” When someone was rendered “toevah,” that person had to bathe in the mikvah, the temple ritual baths before entering the temple. It’s that simple. For all the proofs, here is a link: www.amazon.com/Homosexuality-Bible-Truth-Does-Condemn/dp/1698285825/ref=pd_ybh_a_9?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=4X3D8MA7CBES8QNG9FJ8

@christianapologetics9130

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveroberts704 who is your authority?

@steveroberts704

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianapologetics9130 God.

@christianapologetics9130

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveroberts704 not the God of the bible. Why would God not condemn homosexuality? It is not in the created order.

@steveroberts704

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianapologetics9130 First of all, nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality condemned. You can trot out every passage that you think does so, and I will be more than happy to educate you as to what the original Hebrew and Greek actually says. But to your claim that homosexuality is not in the created order, you don't even need to know Hebrew or Greek to know that your statement is incorrect. Go to Genesis, and read the order of creation. First, God created "ha-adam," which is the Hebrew for "mankind," "males." The word "adam" means "man," and "ha" is the word for "the," so every time that you see the word Adam in the English, it is not the name of an individual, it is the Hebrew word "ha adam," for "mankind." And God only created the male race to live on the planet Earth. No women, just men, and they lived with each other in a completely male race for quite some time. No women, just men, the male race, ha adam. After some time, God decided that the males needed some entertainment, so God created the animals. Now, you had men living with each other, enjoying each other, doing whatever with each other, and God introduces animals to the mix. Still no women. And this relationship went on for quite some time. Finally, God decides that man needs "a helpmeet." somebody to do his cleaning and cooking, so he finally makes "yitzah," "females, "the female race." So, if you read your Bible even in English, you will see that men were created first, men lived with each other and had relationships with each other, all without women being present. And the Bible, written by male chauvinists, put women at the bottom of creation, lower than cattle, which is how women were treated all during the writing of the books of the Bible. And, by the way, there were not simply two people named Adam and Eve who were placed in some garden. The word "adam," as I stated, simply means mankind, and the word "yitzah" simply means womankind. The name Eve never appears in the Hebrew. Men first, then animals, then women. Get your order of creation correct.

Christian really have a problem with keeping their religion to themselves. Same sex relationships has been going on throughout history, you can’t change nor deny that.

These people obviously have a lot of hate in their heart

@TheNightWatcher1385

2 жыл бұрын

They follow what the Bible says. Simple as.

@jordanvyonder6949

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNightWatcher1385 the Bible is hate if taken literally.

@Zoe-sn9tb

2 жыл бұрын

It's not hate, it's disgust. Get it right 🙄 (but seriously it's not hate)

@davipenha

2 жыл бұрын

The sons of God hate the sin. That's why they help people to get out of it. Sin brings death upon spirit

@mejafe8511

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNightWatcher1385 and their version of 'the bible' teaches to hate gay people so they hate gay people. Simple as

It's the goodness of God that leads men to repentance.

@santostorres9601

3 жыл бұрын

"And by the fear of the LORD one departs from evil."-Proverbs 16:6

@flunkiebubs2002

3 жыл бұрын

I don't want to repent.

@Charles.Wright

3 жыл бұрын

@@flunkiebubs2002 - then you must not have thought much about eternity

@flunkiebubs2002

3 жыл бұрын

@@Charles.Wright Well, I have

@t-roy2xw11ric3

3 жыл бұрын

@@flunkiebubs2002 then your going to hell

If marriage is thought to be a religious institution then it should be separate from the state.

@dove6069

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong.

@kawaiisenshi2401

3 жыл бұрын

Lol i love this 😆 in a good way

@anammccartney5296

3 жыл бұрын

@@dove6069 No, you are wrong. There are thousands of religions and all members of each faith truly believe in their religion. Our society will fall apart if we do not separate church from state. It is unfair and dangerous.

@devinligtelyn915

3 жыл бұрын

Marriage is a legal institution, not necessarily a religious one.

@TruthQuest4700

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinligtelyn915 I agree!

When the question is asked; "How can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn't harm anybody?" the argument is over. Morality is all about what helps or harms people. Homosexuality does not harm anyone. Therefore, there is nothing immoral about homosexuality.

@heseesyou582

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because Christians aren’t concern about it harming anybody. They are concern about them gambling with their souls when they receive the final judgment from God

@GavinAlexander.

2 жыл бұрын

@@heseesyou582 Wrong. Christians are simply concerned with asserting the primacy of their particular myth over all beings. It's a problem among the adherents of the Abrahamic myths. They all seem to think everyone else must follow it just as they do.

@heseesyou582

2 жыл бұрын

@@GavinAlexander. if you heard that Christians are suppose to make people believe in God, you heard wrong. Christians mission is to spread the gospel around the world. Christians will tell people what they are doing is wrong and a sin in Gods eyes. If the person or people don’t listen, then that’s their choice, God doesn’t force anybody to follow him so Christians should do the same.

@GavinAlexander.

2 жыл бұрын

@@heseesyou582 Your attempt at gaslighting is cute. This isn't about what I've heard. It's about the history of those who follow the Abrahamic myths. A history of a collection of people who, as Christopher Hitchens put it so well, all claim to have this belief that will bring about peace and happiness, yet cannot seem to be peaceful or happy unless everyone else believes it exactly as they do. If you believe this myth, it governs YOUR life alone. End of story.

@heseesyou582

2 жыл бұрын

@@GavinAlexander. so your basically saying that this Arabic myth is suppose to govern my life alone? Right?

Those preachers are against divorce. Amazing. So I believe inside abusive relationships, the woman must suffer all the violence done by an abusive husband. And as well the children must suffer the abuses of a violent father? I hope you were talking to divorce in general, as something that should not be done as easily.

@mosesthomas8499

2 жыл бұрын

Thats why God express not to be un equally yoked

@edelnderitu4489

2 жыл бұрын

It's not the preacher's against divorce ....it's Gods word against divorce (Malachi 2:16)

@katacabal

2 жыл бұрын

Marriage is a covenant made between two humans and God, not two humans that marry in ritual with a Priest supposedly under God. If there is abuse within a legally acknowledged marriage, it was never made in God’s covenant but a partnering made in the flesh. Following the path of the flesh will always lead to disaster. Legal marriage is only a flimsy manifestation based on True spiritual marriage, and legal divorce may not be equivalent to a spiritual divorce.

@someoldguy5316

2 жыл бұрын

Divorce would hardly ever happen if people thought through their marriages more before getting married

@mosesthomas8499

2 жыл бұрын

One thing a covenant is between man and woman not the same gender

I love Voddie! Such a man of God who is never afraid to speak the truth! Thank you brother!!!!

@sunray9315

3 жыл бұрын

You think this is truth? Oh wow 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@scotabot7826

3 жыл бұрын

@@sunray9315 Absolutely don't think, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is Truth.

@dignerds

3 жыл бұрын

The God of the bible is a murderous thug that endorses Slavery..How's that for not being afraid of speaking truth

@jonothandoeser

3 жыл бұрын

@@dignerds Where in the Bible does god "Endorse slavery." I'll wait...

@mariam3947

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto

“We don’t hide the truth and place it under a bushel” 🙌🏼

@pastorbri

3 жыл бұрын

homophobics do

@pastorbri

3 жыл бұрын

@nickj14711 true, homophobics are not even christian anyway.

@pastorbri

3 жыл бұрын

@nickj14711 yeah, thats homophobics for ya!

@pastorbri

3 жыл бұрын

@nickj14711 I get ur not educated on the bible but God said the old law is dead now so why are u calling God a liar?

@pastorbri

3 жыл бұрын

@nickj14711 but I agree......so Im not doing it for selfish reasons

When the bible says homosexuality is wrong but fails to condemn pedophilia, I cannot consider the bible to be a moral guide.

@GavinAlexander.

2 жыл бұрын

Or when it approves of slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, pillory, terrorism, misogyny, and discrimination against handicapped people. Yeah, it's not a good "moral" guide at all.

@MusicalRaichu

2 жыл бұрын

the bible does NOT say homoxesuality is wrong. it's just people have convinced themselves it does.

@virtuoussoulhealer3644

Жыл бұрын

Mark 9:42 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.

@virtuoussoulhealer3644

Жыл бұрын

@@MusicalRaichu Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

@MusicalRaichu

Жыл бұрын

@@virtuoussoulhealer3644 if homoxesuality was wrong, you'd expect it say "men don't lie with men" and "women don't lie with women". it says neither. the hebrew is unclear but the conventional rendering says not to use a man or boy like a woman in bed. under patriarchy, women were considered inferior, so a male taking a woman's role was denigrating. regardless, haven't you heard we no longer follow the OT law? the news went out 2K years ago, I'm surprised you haven't heard.

I wonder how they feel now that gay marriage has been legal for 8 years.

GAY RIGHTS Also like stfu this comment section is anoyingggggg, Like im gonna go marry a man, and you all can go cry abt it. Also hello fellow gays in the comments, you aren't alone!

@graememartin6656

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wshm10 nah i think gay is amazing

@graememartin6656

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wshm10 brainwashing? Im just living my life. Love is love. You can be anyone you want to be, you can be free

@timothyshevchuk8280

2 жыл бұрын

Did you not just watch the video?

@graememartin6656

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothyshevchuk8280 wdym

You didn’t answer the question that you yourselves asked, “Can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone?” I wasted 10 minutes of three guys rambling about marriage and divorce without even actually tackling homosexuality and it’s problems. Maybe that’s because there are no problems and none of you can give real answers without consulting the Bible

@djhalling

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. They presented same sex marriage as a slippery slope to a 50 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl, completely ignoring the issue of whether there is harm in such relationships, as there obviously is in such an unbalanced relationship as the latter.

@djhalling

2 жыл бұрын

And looking again, "Can homosexuality be wrong ...", wasn't even the question they asked. It was " *How* can homosexuality be wrong...". It is clear that they started with the conclusion that it is wrong, and are desperately trying to find reasons.

@briantitchener4829

2 жыл бұрын

@@djhalling God says it's wrong. Good enough.

@djhalling

2 жыл бұрын

@@briantitchener4829 If that's what they thought, then they should have just said that and saved ten minutes. Of course, it wouldn't have convinced anybody who didn't already believe it, any more than it does when you say it.

@OkayMaybeImDoneNow...

2 жыл бұрын

@@briantitchener4829 I loved this reply🤣🥰

Homosexuality cannot be wrong because it's right for you to be who you are

@vivianmckinzie8771

Жыл бұрын

@Viktor Petrov that is correct but some people who have parents disapprove of being gay

@katamas832

Жыл бұрын

@@vivianmckinzie8771 He's a troll, not really worth your time

@vivianmckinzie8771

Жыл бұрын

@@katamas832 I know

@vivianmckinzie8771

Жыл бұрын

@Viktor Petrov I’m sorry, but it’s not really worth my time

@vivianmckinzie8771

Жыл бұрын

@Viktor Petrov I was getting the truth about lgbt

So near the beginning of the video let's say starting at 2:30 . It is private it's not harming anybody it is a civil rights issue and it won't harm the church because you are to separate church and state. His argument for this is that you don't separate church and state and it will start harming the church. And in no popular opinion is it OK for an older gentleman to be with an underaged person. He's trying to use sensationalized examples to exaggerate a point. Even if it was a popular opinion we have a standard for age of consent. Also for him to say later on in the video that's how the the world is a ridiculous statement is a bit of a hypocritical statement. . back in biblical times it was OK for a much older gentleman to be with somebody 12 or 13. It was OK to start your family at that age in back then if you didn't start your family at that age you risked not starting a family at all. times were different back then but according to him you can't use the phrase that's how the world is. Because that is "ridiculous"

I think that half of these commenters didn't even watch this video.

@pollypockets508

6 жыл бұрын

David Hudgins It's really hard to get through when you want to yell at the screen.

@alexanderstraight2604

6 жыл бұрын

I do yell at the screen.

@Annie-xb8xx

6 жыл бұрын

David Hudgins there's no god

@Annie-xb8xx

6 жыл бұрын

It is okay to be gay

@Annie-xb8xx

6 жыл бұрын

It is okay to act on your 'gayness'

I needed this. This is TRUTH. Many churches are scared to teach this. It’s truth!!! Thank God for people who are standing on the word. I have been saying the exact same things.

@latter-daysaintbatman2679

3 жыл бұрын

They are scared because they allow activists and such criminals to dictate and silence our freedom of speech. It's time we stood up to them.

@rosen9930

3 жыл бұрын

@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 Really because homophobes are the criminals considering many gays get ingured or even die in hate crimes which also says homophobes dont say there point they hurt people to get there point across

@sadlover8146

3 жыл бұрын

@@rosen9930 homophobia,phobia means fear,dont call persons who aint scared bout gays/lesbians homophobes....amigo

@xXEGPXx

3 жыл бұрын

@@sadlover8146 A phobia is a fear OR aversion/dislike of something. If you don't approve of gay relationships you are a homophobe full stop no debate.

@crberry22

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

I tried very hard to change into a straight man! Got married to a woman & had 2 sons & because of religion & Society I was sure I could become straight! It doesn’t work! I even tried to pray it away! It doesn’t work!

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead '"

@michelletatum2896

3 жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏

@dorrelbaker8586

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! .... Very deeeeeep!

@MrsSasukeUchiha

3 жыл бұрын

where can I find your comment in The Bible

@kennedyborquaye8252

2 жыл бұрын

Luke 16:19-31

Since when have we begun to define our walk with Christ without sacrifice. The truth is it cost all of us to follow Jesus. How then do we define love without sacrifice. Love costs. Just read “the Book.” No one is exempt. Everyone has a choice, obey or disobey. But if you love HIM more than you “love” self, you would make the sacrifice.

@spuriouseffect

3 жыл бұрын

That's YOUR religion. There are billions of people in the world with other religions.

@normantaylor1711

3 жыл бұрын

I believe you may be mistaking what we believe as followers of Christ. We seek all to follow HIM. Perhaps you knew that bug wanted me to express my for your taunting. In any case, I’ll oblige. We believe that there is only ONE way. So, no my comment does not include other faith systems, since we don’t recognize their eternal value. You may view this as arrogant, we accept this as Truth.

@spuriouseffect

3 жыл бұрын

@@normantaylor1711 I have specifically asked thousands of Christians if Buddhist go to hell simply for not converting, and all but 3 have answered yes, and then tried to justify that evil. That is more than arrogance, that's willful immorality.

@spuriouseffect

3 жыл бұрын

@@normantaylor1711 Here is an example of what I'm talking about. lion fish 5 minutes ago @Spurious Effect Buddhist do not go to Heaven, those non believers go to hell. That's the truth. Non believers can exercise their free will whether to accept Christ or not.

@KyleFN

3 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty cavalier statement to make FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Assuming you're straight could you simply deny your heterosexuality for your entire life because you believe "a god" demanded it. Don't bother answering, because it is EASY to make this proclamation when you'll never have to put it to the test. This is why it's so fundamentally offensive to hear all these hetero christians flippantly tell gay people to "just deny" who they are while simultaneously NEVER having to live up to the same standards they set.

I have been told that men misinterpreted the bible, and it really doesn't say that homosexuality is a sin. Also, they now have their own Bible. New Queen James Bible.

Where did they actually explain why it's wrong?

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

It's not God's design for marriage. Marriage is to make a man and woman into one unit and produce children and extended family. It's not private. It influences society as a whole. Marriage isn't just about love. You have to look at the long term effect . It's not just an individual decision between 2 people.

@user-ou5pm6gn9j

Жыл бұрын

@@georgewagner7787 So if god doesn't want gay people to get married then why did god create gay people? Also, don't even try the "they became gay argument because scientifically speaking that's not true.

@laravioliiii2832

25 күн бұрын

@@georgewagner7787 Tell me one reason why it's wrong without mentioning religion. Because I'm not religious, so why should I follow your beliefs?

Jesus said “The time is coming when they shall say how blessed are the barren.”

@ookeybookey7955

3 жыл бұрын

Captain Underpants said: LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

@PInk77W1

3 жыл бұрын

@Johhny Johnstone ref. Please ?

@PInk77W1

3 жыл бұрын

@Johhny Johnstone sorry, your reference doesn’t mention “how blessed are the barren”

@PInk77W1

3 жыл бұрын

@Johhny Johnstone it doesn’t help me because it doesn’t mention what Jesus said Never in your reference does it say The barren were blessed ?

@PInk77W1

3 жыл бұрын

@Johhny Johnstone this ain’t my first rodeo

Deliverance ,Jesus christ is a deliverer 🙏

@tammi67able

Жыл бұрын

Amen

There are so many problems with this argument I don't even know where to begin

Though i havent been able to accept homosexuality completely but if we go by the logic that marriage should be accredited by Society, there was a time when interracial marriage too was considered to be a sin.

Being Disobedient To GOD'S Order, Harms Our Relationship With GOD/Our Heavenly FATHER...

@katamas832

3 жыл бұрын

What if you don't have a relationship with him?

@justadude7752

3 жыл бұрын

@@katamas832 that is clearly impossible for them. They want their beliefs to be yours and everyone elses. Very arrogant in a way.

@dberd9149

3 жыл бұрын

katamas You can have a relationship with him. He is waiting for you. God has always wanted a relationship with you. But, he is a loving God and does NOT force himself on you. He longs for you. He loves you, but will not force you. He gives us free will. The choice is yours, but please know he has and is waiting for you because he loves you so much he gave his one and only son on the cross to be the bridge between you and him

@katamas832

3 жыл бұрын

@@dberd9149 Why is he waiting for me when he wants a relationship? Does he not know human relationship 101, where someone won't come up and talk to you without even knowing you exist? No, more like, he sacrificed his son to himself to forgive me for things he is ultimately responsible for.

@dberd9149

3 жыл бұрын

katamas Blaming him for your lack is not the answer. You have a sinful nature in blaming instead of taking responsibility for your actions.

I don't think it would be fair to me as a woman to have a man who has homosexual desires marry me and deny those desires because he will always have them and I want to be with a man who sexually desires me, not one who is trying to please God by 'doing the right thing' and being with me.

@timothymccray6034

6 жыл бұрын

FeelTheLack god doesn't have the power to change his desires?

@timothymccray6034

6 жыл бұрын

BVale he has the power and he won't use the power unless you want him too......you have to want it...

@timothymccray6034

6 жыл бұрын

BVale just because someone does a video on KZread doesn't mean they can't lie.......i know plenty who did change and now are married with kids so it's possible because god is possible.....god knows peoples heart....and if you really want to be righteous or not.........he sees a soul that wants to be clean and free from sin...and he won't take it those demons away...?...i doubt that....and remember anybody who says jesus can't save that's the spirit of the antichrist

@timothymccray6034

6 жыл бұрын

BVale a therapy session isn't gonna change that.....that was doomed from the start......only jesus can change a person.....abd that comes from a personal relationship with him....and the holy spirit

@FeelTheLack

3 жыл бұрын

@@timothymccray6034 you think that the people going to Exodus International didn't ask Jesus to change their hearts? You are so quick to dismiss it as a 'therapy session' When People that went there desperately desired Jesus to change their hearts so much that they begged for help and believed it would happen and here you are discounting that as though its nothing.

Deep respect for this channel not turning the comments off.

IF ANY GAYBABY WATCHED THIS FOR INTELLECTUAL REASON, I DO COMMEND YOU AND HOPE YOU STAY LOVING TOWARDS YOURSELF AND YOUR NATURE, WHICH IS NOT A SIN! Thankfully there is in the US Constitution a division of state and church. There are many loving and healthy lifelong monogomous lgbtq relationships. We raise loving and caring families, and we're citizens who have the right to have marriages recognized by the state. To have the same inheritance, tax, and other social rights that any married person deserves. You can believe your little book, but morality, and monogmous homosexual relationships long predate the bible. And it is not a sin, nor is it a choice, nor is it nothing comparble to lieing or divorcing. Nor is it a human odity. Penguins are a classic case of animals that have life long monogmous homosexual partnerships, adopting eggs and contruibuting to the life and love of the colony. Giraffes, lions and so many more, homosexuality is so prevalent in the animal kingdom, it is not unnatural. Certainly not a sin. It is love. It is caring and healthy relationships. And should be respect and honored as all love should be.

@joseluiscarrillogonzalez2410

Жыл бұрын

@Benz thats why in the U.S. thankfully we have the division of state and church. Because religion has no authority in deciding what is good for mental health, nor what is ethical, nor is it the foundation to human morals. Living a prosperous life with healthy kids and a home and living as a law abiding citizen that does charity and helps his community is a blessing, doesnt harm anyone, and lives in a truly empathetic way.

@twistedlime1975

Жыл бұрын

Idk you people use the animal kingdom for reference... like Bible thumper if you're going to use the thing then be 100% with it. Because you forget their is rape in their and killing their own children just to have more sex to. Animal kingdom is not free it's pretty much a fixed system , you are not fixed you're free to do w.e you want. So use something else for your references and be 100% with it don't go cherry picking. The only problem I see with homosexuality is their is no real rules to it, you can do and be w.e you wan this you have cult alphabet gang... which should be burned to the ground or sealed away or something.

@GavinAlexander.

Жыл бұрын

@@twistedlime1975 *"Idk you people use the animal kingdom for reference..."* Wrong. The animal kingdom is used to point out its occurrence in nature, thus countering the fallacious claim that same-sex attraction is unnatural. See, what you bigots do is fallaciously try to invalidate same-sex attraction by claiming it's not natural. First, that's nothing more than an argument from nature logical fallacy. Secondly, is false. What can be observed occurring/arising in nature, is natural. And same-sex attraction has been recorded all throughout nature, therefore, it is natural. The animal kingdom is pointed to as evidence of its natural occurrence, not as a reference for how humans can behave. *"like Bible thumper if you're going to use the thing then be 100% with it. Because you forget their is rape in their and killing their own children just to have more sex to. Animal kingdom is not free it's pretty much a fixed system , you are not fixed you're free to do w.e you want. So use something else for your references and be 100% with it don't go cherry picking."* Stop. The argument isn't, "it's in nature so it can be done". That's a gross misunderstanding on your part, or you're intentionally erecting a strawman argument. *"The only problem I see with homosexuality is their is no real rules to it, you can do and be w.e you wan this you have cult alphabet gang... which should be burned to the ground or sealed away or something."* Yes, we get it, you're a bigot. Spewing your bigotry isn't the presentation of an argument. It's just exposing your bigotry.

@Ray4938

Жыл бұрын

thank you sir

Each time I think of America, Babylon comes to mind but I thank God for men like Voodie

@nelsonkiiru7252

3 жыл бұрын

Babylon!?? More like Sodom and Gomorrah!

@mrsinkzn

3 жыл бұрын

Just waiting for the brimstone nd fire, Bless Jesus for saving us

@tomgeorge3023

3 жыл бұрын

More like spiritual Egypt, and Sodom and Gomorrah. Jude.1: Sodom and Gomorrah was a Example what will happen to the ungodly people, the wrath will come on the children of disobedience

@nchandler9416

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! My pastor says the same thing!!!

@jennifer6922

2 жыл бұрын

If u don't live here be thankful. Bc I do and I'm in agreement with you. I hate it, but on that note I can also say I see all the things done in America all across the entire world. Maybe not as prevalent as here but just the same. Sin is in every part of the world. America just has more of it and sin is justified here and legal more, so I think America is what they talk about in the Bible as mystery Babylon in the end times. Read it, I believe revelation is where it says that. Or John.

1 Corinthians 2:14 “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” The natural man is unregenerate, and his mind is still darkened by enslavement to sin. It’s the illuminating work of the Holy Spirit that brings saving faith and repentance.

@tammi67able

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@camerong5513

Жыл бұрын

Right back at ya I reckon

@eileenhudson4934

Жыл бұрын

Amen

You did not answer the question about what is harmful in homosexuality. You present it as a commandmend, not to engage in it. OK. That is true. Its in the bible. What is confusing is, that with f.e. murder or theft, it is obvious why this is wrong and how it harms people. But what harm does it, if a tiny percentage of gays marry each other or have sex in the first place? As long as christians cannot come up with arguments parallel to the bible, they will not convince people. And it is possible, that the anti-gay rules are outdated. Maybe they made sense in ancient times, bc back then it was a means to distinguish from heathen cults and societies. Just like animal sacrifieces and weird rules about how to corporal punish your slaves and that you should stone your kids, if they dont obey. Is there any conclusive argument, why this rule should still apply in the 21st Century?

@TheNightWatcher1385

2 жыл бұрын

Here’s some arguments I can think of, some are devil’s advocate: -Some ancient philosophers like Plato condemned it because he considered it to be an act of pure lust since it could not result in procreation. -Gay subcultures tend to be highly promiscuous. The average number of partners a straight man will have in his lifetime is 7, for a gay man it’s 50. This is also a high contributing factor to the STD epidemic in the gay subculture as well. -Gay subcultures tend to encourage hedonistic lifestyles with not a lot of moderation. Drug use is rampant as is unbridled kink practices. -Many ancient philosophers (and some modern ones) believe engaging in same sex attraction long term makes men effeminate or keeps them from becoming fully masculine. An understandable anxiety if you lived in an ancient tribe because in those days if your men weren’t manly you got conquered by your neighbors.

@petervonbergen5364

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNightWatcher1385 Thank you. These are valid arguments. I heard about the STD-aspect and it seems a real problem. The only problem that remains now is, how they can deal with it. Bc Celibacy seems not very realistic for most men. Even Jesus and Paul agreed to that. What should they do - being not interested in women? So called "conversion-Therapies" seem to do a lot of harm to gay people and not work out. Any idea about that?

@TheNightWatcher1385

2 жыл бұрын

@@petervonbergen5364 A decent question. One more argument against it I can think of is that for submissive men in gay relationships, they will inevitably receive anatomical damage since the male body isn’t designed to be penetrated. As they age, this often makes them incontinent. I’d say that the idea that sexuality can never be changed is a pretty modern idea. The very term “straight” comes from “the straight and narrow.” This term originated from the phenomenon of gay men stopping their behavior and “going straight”, which apparently happened a lot in the past before our culture pushed this idea that it never happens. Amusingly, the term “straight” used to refer to a gay individual who had chosen to stop engaging in that behavior. Tastes change. I used to love peas as a kid, now I hate them. I used to hate carrots, now I love them. Anything is possible.

@petervonbergen5364

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNightWatcher1385 I am no expert on this. But all I read about studies and research points in the direction, that it is a given if you are gay and that it cant be changed. Some christians claim that, but its very likely that they just live in denial, because many victims of "conversion therapy" have admitted that they pretended to be straight now bc of the social pressure. That cant be good, if it leads to forced bigotry. The argument, that in former times it was seen that way is not very strong. In former times, people knew literally nothing about psychology and science. They believed the earth is flat. I have seen the testimony of many gay men, who claimed to have been always that way, as long as they can remember. I admit this is not a comfortable view for christians. But should we not be honest more than apologetic? Imagine christians - who ought to love their next like themselves - terrorize and invalidate people, who literally have no choice. They can either live as shamed outsiders or deny who they are. Isnt that horrible? Sadly we have no direct word from the lord about it. And Paul admitted that he offered his personal opinions concerning these things and always pointed out, if it is somehting directly from God that he speaks about. Is it possible, that Paul was a child of his time and just judged it as bad, bc everybody did? On the other hand, the anal health issues are really disgusting. That cant be the way either. I am still confused about the issue.

@TheNightWatcher1385

2 жыл бұрын

@@petervonbergen5364 I don’t personally buy the idea that behavior can never change, and even if certain desires don’t change, every one of us deals with our own temptations and inclinations. This doesn’t give us free reign to engage in all our temptations. Some are prone to alcohol abuse and so take steps to avoid it. Some are more prone to violence and so try to keep themselves calm with various methods. Some of us suffer with depression and so go to therapy. Even if it were true that our base desires don’t change, our chosen behavior certainly can. For example, I’ve had same sex encounters before, but I don’t consider myself gay and I haven’t had an encounter in years now, because I simply chose not to pursue them, combined with prayers for the strength to do so. Am I permanently changed? The temptation sometimes appears, but my behavior has definitely changed on that front and if it happens again I will repent and seek forgiveness as we should all do whenever we fall short. If we don’t believe that anything is possible with God then we’re saying he’s not all powerful, and if he isn’t, why would he be worthy of worship?

Wow. These guys are insanely out of touch. I suppose getting all your morals and world view from a book written thousands of years ago doesn’t allow for much personal development. The dude on the left said he shouldn’t have to hire homosexuals😂

@Eerex594

2 жыл бұрын

thank god i found another sane person in this comment section

@rickymortinson1918

2 жыл бұрын

Same here Jonas simkins. I only watched this video because I’m trying to understand why people are offended by normal down to earth gay people (there are some crazy people who have sorta occupied the movement these days lol) who just want to live there lives. I didn’t find those answers in this video lol just more ‘god said’ BS

@rickymortinson1918

2 жыл бұрын

I kind of agree with you. People shouldn’t be forced to hire women, black people, asians, disabled people, gingers....etc if they don’t want to either I suppose. I think tho that we can agree choosing not to associate/hire someone based entirely on a bias against the category you chose to put them in is something we are trying to evolve beyond as a society and for good reason.

@rickymortinson1918

2 жыл бұрын

To Jonas simkins- Same here buddy🤟

@pudding1255

2 жыл бұрын

@Wombat but if the employee is only not hired cuz theyre gay then that’s discrimination.

What happened to the city of Sodom?🤔🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@justadude7752

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Desta Jesus himself stated that it was because they didnt show kindness to those who seeked shelter...

@justadude7752

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Desta okay, but that just means that their lust in general was bad. Not per se which gender each angel and human had so that wouldnt really say anything about gay rights or wether or not it makes senses for them to get married, right?

@justadude7752

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Desta and in the end they were angels so their "strange flesh" was not human so... dont try to fuck with angels?

@justadude7752

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Desta yeah, I get what youre on about. I dont even think it matters what the bible say about these things since I'm not a Christian and dont believe that it is the word of god or any god for that matter

@justadude7752

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Desta one thing tho. Saying that god wouldnt let the bible get polluted is not really true since it has a lot of other awful stuff in it(slavery, genocid etc that he orders his people to commit) so I dont really see why homophobia would be out of the question. Unless you think these things are A okay

I think that when we talk about same sex marriage nobody seems to mention that this question originally arose not necessarily for the sake of marriage as a contract but that in certain countries being married grants you certain perks such as reduced prices on certain services or tax brakes etc. Taking this into consideration there is no reason why gay people should be denied this option which everyone else has access to. I also understand the opposite view on the matter as well as the arguments behind it and while I disagree with it and can discuss it I will also accept it as one of several views on the matter.

@taesonslane2513

Жыл бұрын

Theocracy is inherently un American why are they trying to impose their religious views on to the law of the land

They didn't make one good point about it being wrong in the whole video.

@Monzerratz

7 ай бұрын

It's contrary to God's design, nature, society, community, the human body. It's pretty straight forward. Wrong has to do with morality. And God is the only one that has authority over morality. He's designated it as wrong.

@GavinAlexander.

7 ай бұрын

@@Monzerratz You just cant help yourself with all these troll accounts.

@MusicalRaichu

6 ай бұрын

It's three straight guys pontificating about something they neither understand or even want to.

Welcome ladies and gentleman to the mental gymnastics face off the the century.

I'm 41 and so far in my life my church first stopped preaching about divorce, then about premarital sex and know gay sex is acceptable. In one generation. My family thinks I'm overreacting and judgmental because I left that denomination. Sorry, I struggle with sin enough without the church telling me sin is just made up by the patriarchy trying to control me.

@littlefishbigmountain

2 жыл бұрын

If that’s what was being taught, then good on you. There is one church, one body, one faith, one baptism, and one Lord. The truth is, anyone teaching that is not in the church, which is by definition the assembly of true believers.

@littlefishbigmountain

2 жыл бұрын

@Gary Richardson People often attempt to discredit that verse because it’s in the Law of Moses. However, it is also written: “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” ~‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:26-27‬ and also: “Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” ~‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:9-11‬ Plus, marriage is taught as between a man and a woman, with no connection to the Law of Moses mind you but how God created the established order from the very beginning, even since the days of Adam and Eve

@user-no7oj8ud8b

2 жыл бұрын

It is

@hamster4618

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, just like interracial marriages. Its only been 55 years that “good old fashioned, Southern, Christian practice” of persecuting interracial couples was stopped by the Supreme Court. Up to that point many Southerners believed interracial marriages as “unnatural”. Human rights.

@camerong5513

Жыл бұрын

oh, do you know what sin is?

I’m so glad the internet wasn’t around when I was confused about my sexuality

@IT-qb7dw

3 жыл бұрын

Meaning

@krakoosh1

3 жыл бұрын

@Jarhe Hunkkuhll your comment shows how full of satan, your father, you are

@krakoosh1

3 жыл бұрын

@Jarhe Hunkkuhll no it’s not

So if you have built your family; .... no more sex!!

@froggytimmy8643

2 жыл бұрын

bro

Anyone else notice that they didn't answer the question?

I'm a female that cannot have kids. Does that mean I shouldn't get married? I also believe that divorce is necessary for many different reasons. It is said that divorce hurt kids, you know what hurt kids seeing their parent beaten, abused, emotionally and mentally a mess. I don't know if homosexuality is wrong or not, all I know is that I will try to love everyone as Christ said.

@beantrader4723

Жыл бұрын

#1 God said, "If you love me, keep my commandments". IF you love God, you would have made sure that you became aware of his instructions that are all found in the Bible. #2 The Bible CLEARLY states what is allowed and what is forbidden by God. This is God's world that is run on God's rules. #3 IF you want to know God, then you want to know what his instructions are for your life. Part of what God expects you to do during your lifetime is spread the Gospel to the lost, which you have no idea what it says. What's stopping you from knowing him? How on earth can you love the lost "as Christ" unless you KNOW Christ?

And now over 4 years later Voddie's words have proven to be prophetic

@cheezeboigas6605

4 жыл бұрын

Brazilian Goddess was that supposed to and 2 weeks later your words have proven to be stupid

@troywright359

4 жыл бұрын

@Brazilian Goddess lol ridiculous. You might as well say "you worship a literal lamb, because Jesus is called a lamb many times" twisting words and scripture doesn't do you any favours

@troywright359

4 жыл бұрын

@Brazilian Goddess that's King David talking about after an invasion, and he is angry. That is not a command from God. He is speaking out of what happened to the Israelites and that they would feel the same pain. Honestly, you might as well say "the bible says Jesus is a lamb, therefore Christians worship animals". I doubt you think Christians really believe God tells them to do that. I can't change your hatred of the way the bible puts things, such as the flood for instance. But I pray you do seek after the truth

@troywright359

4 жыл бұрын

@Brazilian Goddess exactly. Npw you understand, to just say 'impossible' to everything. the Bible also says God made the world in 7 days, that's impossible!! Says God loves you, impossible!

@jojomasipa379

4 жыл бұрын

@Hineni John3:16 Let her/him be - he/she is trying to create a debate where there is none - nobody is as blind as those who do not want to see. He/She is just a sign of society so dont judge ignorance.

Thank you for sharing on this subject yes churches should talk about this more often.

@MusicalRaichu

Жыл бұрын

this is a bunch of guys pontificating about something they have no personal experience of. why isn't there representation from actual gay Christians in the discussion, people who know what they're talking about?

@ph9687

Жыл бұрын

We just need to follow Gods commement love your as yourself. There is NO exceptions. God bless you

@MusicalRaichu

Жыл бұрын

@@ph9687 precisely my point. these people think they love their neighbour, but they're actually hurting them.

@beantrader4723

Жыл бұрын

@@MusicalRaichu God's Word is the beginning & end of every debate. Any train of thought that doesn't align itself with God's teachings are false opinions. When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan. Sinners will never, ever achieve self-acceptance or self-worth; disobedience will prove to be their lifetime adversary.

@MusicalRaichu

Жыл бұрын

@@beantrader4723 God's word might be "useful" (2 Tim 3.16) but it's not the end of any debate. If that were the case, there would be no nicene creed, no doctrines of the trinity or incarnation or atonement, no catechisms or hymn books or liturgies, ... What you quote wasn't God saying it, it was Paul saying it, and you misquoted him. He never mentioned homoxesuals. That would have been impossible since there was no such concept at the time. You seem to be propounding legalism, an unbiblical approach to morality (e.g. Gal 5.1). Everything God said is based on two principles, to give him our allegiance and to do good and not harm other people. While I don't doubt these speakers' allegiance to God, I believe they are harming people and need to repent. For straight men to pontificate about people not represented is discriminatory, hurtful and harmful. If you're suggesting that gay people can change their orientation, then you are incorrect. Medical, psychological and religious interventions have been tried and all failed with disastrous results. People died. To persist in pushing deadly ideas is, putting it bluntly, murder. Don't do it.

This just seems to be 3 guys agreeing with each other. No opposing opinions

If eating fruit corrupted the whole world and everyone in it, how much more will the PROUD practice of a sin that God Himself calls an "abomination"? Sin corrupts the world. That corruption effects us ALL. There is no such thing as a sin that "doesn't harm anyone".

@deepblue1080

6 жыл бұрын

Dumb.

@kevinboone2178

6 жыл бұрын

What's your point, ZZTOP, as we are all sinners? About "abominations:" Even by translation, no such term appears in the original documents of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and New Testament. The biblical anti-homosexuality scriptures appear for good reasons: Heterosexual males were having sexual relations with their gender, for any number of reasons. And those verses have been traditionally interpreted to be an indictment of homosexuals and their behavior -- a form misinformation and/or mischief coming from heterosexuals and their sensibilities. With the exception of the love affair between Jonathan & David, homosexual adult males in loving relationships are absent from the Bible. There is NO EVIDENCE, none, demonstrating God / Jesus had enmity for such people. God and the prophets understood that heterosexual men having sexual relations with their gender put in jeopardy the human race itself. Also some of the men responsible for interpreting, writing, translating and transcribing (scribes) the "men sleeping with men (MSWM) and related verses, had agendas having little to do with inspiration from God. For lack of context and misunderstanding there can be a "distinction with a difference" between homosexuality and homosexula, and, heterosexuality and heterosexual, each one, one will interpret scripture to be against homosexuals and what they do in their bedrooms. Without context we "tell lies while telling the truth" (my quote). Some of Bibles published today omit terms/phrases like "abomination," "women sleeping with women," and "homosexual," not for being politically correct, but for not being in the original texts -- and it's Biblically profane to put words in God's mouth, which puts one in mortal danger at eternity. Going forward the record will be set straight (no pun intended). (Folks, if responding, don't quote scripture, as I know them. I've used a historical-critical method for trying to understand them, which has enabled me to recognize there's a difference between the "God of Faith" and "The Historical Jesus. I come to my conclusions after studying something about: The histories, cultures and traditions of the the ancient Near East, The Roman World and Greece; the history, and science, of sexuality; the problems of translation and transcription; and most importantly, human nature. That stated, who am I to tell you what to believe? I sleep well at night, have a relationship with my God, and He's always been there for me and mine. One can't touch that. With all due respect. Peace!)

@LiamOates

6 жыл бұрын

Bruh also the Bible says shrimp is an abomination more times than it says being gay is an abomination. I don’t see y’all going after people who eat shrimp.

@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube

6 жыл бұрын

Well i hope your not ever in the same room as your wife when she is on her period thats a sin

@rahulbala7

6 жыл бұрын

You cannot bring religion into this. So your point is honestly quite unintelligent.

they're saying: we love you, just don't love or care of have feeling for anyone, we'll be ok with you but only if you go far away and live alone forever without loving anyone even tho that love is so much pure and real than a lot of other "straight" love.

@ellerocvisionz

3 жыл бұрын

Thissss...

@tres-adames

3 жыл бұрын

I discovered this to be true first-hand. I went through years of conversion therapy, “ex-gay” church programs, followed by years of celibacy. It was very lonely and miserable. Then I realized that God loves me unconditionally as I am. It was the teachings of men that asked me to deny my very capacity to love and express love. My life with God is so much deeper and richer than it was when I was hating myself out of a misguided attempt at holiness.

@tyc4587

3 жыл бұрын

@@tres-adames nope. God does not love those who refuse to repent of their sinful ways. You must repent and believe the gospel. No repentance = no salvation.

@katlegokea112

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyc4587 no god loves them just the way they are. It kills you to see others happy and that is why you want to make others believe that God hates them. You are not Gods favorite child. He has helped my gay ass get through times he even blessed me so much. So you can suck it I don’t care. God loves us soooooo much and you know it, you jealous bigot!

@camerong5513

Жыл бұрын

@@tyc4587 god said that to you?

*The purpose of sex:* To form a deep bond between two individuals that they would surround each other emotionally and in that they will then surround a child and together support that child. Not a toy. But can still be love between two married men and two married women. The Bible says "Do not lay with man as you would with woman." That means if you are a man who loves a man, this man will fulfill you in that he is a man. He will not fulfill those parts of you like a woman. He will fulfill those parts of you like a man. *Is having a same-sex lover a terrible or evil decision?* It is not. *Is having a same-sex lover a VERY BIG decision?* Yes, it is a choice one must make maturely with careful thought. They will not fulfill you the same exact way as an opposite gender individual will. But in alternate ways, yes, they will still fulfill you. Do you love them enough to still let them fulfill you this way. That would be your own answer to think over.

@twistedlime1975

Жыл бұрын

But why marriage? Like yall make up so many things why not make your own marriage up and leave Christianisnity alone about it? Yall even have false Christian churches with drags preaching and adding to the Bible.. that and their is no covenant ( I don't think) with gay marriage.

@GavinAlexander.

Жыл бұрын

@@twistedlime1975 What is wrong with you? Christianity did not invent the social institution of marriage, nor is it the arbiter of the social institution of marriage, nor does it own the social institution of marriage. The arrogant sense of supremacy that your kind has is mind-boggling.

@jenniferwyatt8945

9 ай бұрын

This is not about Our human way, it is about God's way. He has clearly designed a plan that is best for all mankind because He is our creator & His love for us is never ending. We cannot try to justify a human desire with what we think God thinks. Same gender people must not act on sexual attraction. God understands how hard that can be for people just as he understands how hard other affictions are on others- but we cannot Love God and knowingly sin against Him. We must take up our cross & follow Jesus- Suffering for what is right shows our life has been changed.

@jenniferwyatt8945

9 ай бұрын

​God designed marriage. Not humans. So it cannot be changed to fit society. Call it something else, but it is not holy matrimony. A marriage is a union of one man & one woman brought together by God.

still didn't answer the question. who's it harming? no one. why's it wrong? it's not

@afgor1088

2 жыл бұрын

@Κύκλωπας what do you mean by that?

@afgor1088

2 жыл бұрын

@Κύκλωπας i've read a fair bit about LGBT history, what specifically are you referring to and what relevance does it have?

@afgor1088

2 жыл бұрын

@Κύκλωπας quite a lot. I'm one of them 😅

@afgor1088

2 жыл бұрын

@Κύκλωπας that gay relationships are pretty much the same as straight ones... Obviously

@afgor1088

2 жыл бұрын

@Κύκλωπας depravity? lack of boundaries? total lack of respect for ones self and others? what do you mean by this? these are subjective and not based in reality. who's being disrespected? what boundaries are being skirted? how is it depraved?

I don't understand the comments about the state getting involved in marriage when the unmarried birth rate was nearly 40% in 2018. Ex-husbands aren't the only men paying child support.

@ellerocvisionz

3 жыл бұрын

Notice how no one commented just shows u how twisted society is I ask this question all the time under these discussions but it is seen as ok because u had sex with the opposite sex they say being gay is bad for society I’m like have u seem the destruction that heterosexual dynamics have caused there r so many abused children and children in foster care smh but ppl being with the same sex is what’s causing all the trouble make it make sense ppl

@blaqgirlssss

3 жыл бұрын

@@ellerocvisionz I'll say it here and now. I think some churches pay too much attention to homosexuality and forget that sex before marriage is a sin. Luckily my church isn't like that, but a lot are. This isn't me saying that we should disregard any of God's rules, but I understand that the church pays attention to other rules more than others. I hope I was speaking alright

@ellerocvisionz

3 жыл бұрын

@@blaqgirlssss correct u r right on the money

@camerong5513

Жыл бұрын

@@blaqgirlssss when god has a conversation with you then you can tell people what was said about the rules He has

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity (sinful behavior), but rejoices in the truth" -- 1 Corinthians 13:6 If you're a Christian for gay marriage, you are fooling yourself if you think love has anything to do with it.

@jalisajohnson1134

6 жыл бұрын

how is straight marriage any more pure than gay marriage?

@samhaigh5355

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe some people just want a marriage with a person they love, maybe they do not care for a family.

@samhaigh5355

6 жыл бұрын

and my point is the main focus of a marriage should be love whether it be with a person of opposite or same sex, family should not the priority, it should be love.

@samhaigh5355

6 жыл бұрын

Rubbish men can love other men and women can love other woman, just because you outdated folk do not want to accept that it does not mean it is not true. Love is Love, gay or straight fact.

@annethrodriguez7940

6 жыл бұрын

How do you know? Are you gay?.... Which gay men and women did you ask?

Two men recorded on a camera, on a social media platform, broadcast on the internet, that you’re watching on a smart phone or computer, argue for the fixed definition of a social institution from a 2,000 year old dogma. Funny how they’ll accept progress in some areas (that benefits them) but not others (that benefits others).

I don't get homophobia or any other phobia concerning people's lifestyle and freedom. Like, what's it to you? They are not doing any harm to you, it's up to them what they wanna do in life, are you narcissistic and just want to control others??? Saying "it's against god" is weak, because who wants to serve some random person 1. they don't know if they even exist 2. that are against their own well-being? And if people are using "relationships are only for reproduction" as argument, they are actually outing themselves as perverts. It's like you're saying you only want people for their body and not because you genuinely like them. How wrong is that please? And it's quite sexist too, because it sounds like a women's only purpose is getting impregnated. This argument states that everyone not just women are objects and can be used like toilet paper. And this is Critic to LGBTQPhobia alright? XD

@skorp265

2 жыл бұрын

You're only arguing with yourself. Set aside the pride and surrender to the only perfect love that exists. Let me ask you this. If there is a design, and we throw it out the window, dosregarding it for our own views instead, how then do we expect to be allowed to be a part of the next design? Now let me ask it in scenario. If you disrespect an architect for the hard work they put in to designing the home, how do you expect them to work with you, let alone create an even better design for you to live in? You cant have your cake and eat it too. Choose wisely friend.

@skorp265

2 жыл бұрын

A relationship based in flesh is a perversion. You're assessment couldnt be further from the truth, as you are labeling those that see past the physical as perverts. Judge not, and seek truth. There is much to learn.

@HelpMyPantzzOnFire

2 жыл бұрын

@@skorp265 Sorry it's kinda early, but are you minus or plus in this descussion? (for/against lgbtq+ phobia) I get your second comment and totally agree, but I don't get the first. (English isn't my first language, I don't know how to intepret it XD Sorry again, gonna delete this once I understand)

@shinyhunter04

2 жыл бұрын

@@skorp265 here look at it this way I'm assuming your straight so imagine not being able to be in a relationship with the opposite gender and that you had to be in a homosexual relationship even tho you aren't attracted to them and if you do date someone of the opposite gender you get ridiculed and put down for doing such even tho it has no impact or barring on others

@GavinAlexander.

2 жыл бұрын

@@skorp265 *"You're only arguing with yourself."* You say as you argue with the person, thus falsifying your claim... *"Set aside the pride and surrender to the only perfect love that exists."* Well, isn't that a load of equivocating language? Please do define this "perfect love" you claim exists. *"Let me ask you this. If there is a design, and we throw it out the window, dosregarding it for our own views instead, how then do we expect to be allowed to be a part of the next design?"* You lost this argument the moment you said: "if". You have to prove this "if", if you think this "if" has any relevance. *"Now let me ask it in scenario. If you disrespect an architect for the hard work they put in to designing the home, how do you expect them to work with you, let alone create an even better design for you to live in?"* You can trot out false analogies all you want. Just because there are Architectes that design buildings, does not mean your "if" regarding your equivocating word salad on "design" has been demonstrated. *"You cant have your cake and eat it too."* Actually, people do have their cake and eat it too. All the time. That is the purpose of cake. So instead of platitudes and equivocating language, why don't you just say what you want to say? *"Choose wisely friend."* Check the plank in your eye, friend.

I respectfully ask each of these gentlemen (and anyone who listens to this discussion)...at which age did you decide I will be attracted to girls/women/females and not be attracted to the same sex? Seriously....when? At what age? If you are attracted to the opposite sex, I suspect (if you are honest) you NEVER "chose" but it was just a natural part of your humanity and development.

@taesonslane2513

Жыл бұрын

You can't reason with these people they are the same ones who claim abortion is wrong and forget that the Lord God commanded the death of babies in Jericho as well as literally prescribed an abortion during the test of the unfaithful wife. These people are trying to impose their religious views that are not even biblically accurate onto other people and society as a whole and government, they want a theocracy which will undoubtedly oppress people that are not Christian.

@benvelthuysen6545

Жыл бұрын

Even if you believe that you are born like that, you are an adult now. If you want to honor God and base your faith in Him, you will want do what is right and fight against it and the continued lust and what you consider to be acceptable. Many men and woman who are "straight", even struggle with lust and desire to commit adultery all the time. It's a fight each and every day. If possible, we should rather struggle with living a celibate life. It is unfortunately a struggle man has. Do not do what God says we should fight against. It is a different matter if someone does not care about God and His commandments. It says adulterous, haters of truth, homosexuality etc, shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

@SirFriess

Жыл бұрын

@@benvelthuysen6545 If God is real and he made people homoesexual while at the same time condeming them for it, then he's evil. That's not a god worthy of worship.

@benvelthuysen6545

Жыл бұрын

@@SirFriess What you say about being born this way is very strong and believable to those who struggle with same sex attraction. We all have pasts and struggles, but as we mature in life we come to realizesee that not all that we are taught and used to is right in life. I know that most of us have past life stories to tell about ourselves, but not all are prepared, or have the lengthy time in order to do so. Well, Sabian and all who wish to listen/read, here is my life history so far. Believe it or not that's up to you. In short, at 6 I was molested sexually by 2 men in their early 20's. These 2 men dealt so gently with me that I enjoyed it and I knew nothing else, and this went on for years (family of course). I wanted nothing else but males, as this is all I knew and I became obsessed with it. At age 13 I was tricked by a 34 year old married woman to have sex, and guess what, after a few times I also enjoyed that. At this young age of 13, I was so confused and lost, still at school. Where do I fit in, and does this now mean that I am bisexual ⚤ ? I still had a stronger pull to my 1st experience however. To end short I found God Jehovah (and believed and believe in Him still), and my whole perspective changed towards how my life was living as a bisexual and being content with that. I even thought of joining porn before I met God, but thankfully never ended up there like Joshua Broome ex gay pornstar, now living for Christ. Knowing what God's Word says and because I believe in Him, I started fighting to live by His expectations. I got married and we plan to have children. Guess what guys? I still live with this continuous lust battle for men and women, but I know where my reality and true love is and that is with and in my wife. I choose to do what God wants because I believe in Him. If you don't believe in Him it does not matter then as to how you live your life. I still struggle but I now know what the truth is, and that is Jesus Christ.

@SirFriess

Жыл бұрын

@@benvelthuysen6545 Hey thank you for sharing your story. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I believe my point still stands however. A little bit about me: I came out as gay last year and have been in a relationship with a guy for almost 7 months. I’ve known basically my whole life that I’m gay but I deeply suppressed those thoughts about the same sex because I knew it was a sin according to god. That was up until I deconverted from Christianity. Now, I didn’t deconvert because I was gay but I just became unconvinced of the Bible. So touching on one the points you made, you are absolutely correct that being gay is meaningless to people like me that aren’t trying to “honor” god. Addressing one of your other points, about being molested, I hope you weren’t insinuating that gay kids are gay because they’ve been sexually abused by someone. I myself have never been molested/raped and I’m still gay. Again, I’m sorry you had to go through what you’ve experienced in life but I just can’t agree with your views nor the views of the Bible. They’re immoral in my eyes.

Homosexuality is not objectively wrong because religion is not a fact. Without religion there is nothing wrong with it

@teamtundra2619

2 жыл бұрын

@UTube how exactly

@katamas832

2 жыл бұрын

@UTube Heterosexuals use it for that purpose too. FYI, even heterosexual men sometimes :)

@o_o-lj1ym

2 жыл бұрын

@UTube why is there a pleasure organ there then? It also triggers orgasm.

@o_o-lj1ym

2 жыл бұрын

@UTube biology. Look it up.

@o_o-lj1ym

2 жыл бұрын

@UTube have you heard of the prostate?

Give us a straight answer- If gay marriage is impossible then why do you try so hard to fight it? It doesn't exist, right? Way to not make sense.

@TheNightWatcher1385

2 жыл бұрын

Gay marriage is impossible because marriage is built around reproduction.

@DanT-godofpain

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNightWatcher1385 No it isn't. You don't need marriage to reproduce and straight couples don't need to reproduce to get married. Still does not answer my original question.

@heseesyou582

2 жыл бұрын

People can be stubborn at times

@TheCrimsonGhostt

2 жыл бұрын

The reason we fight it is because people like you try and make it real.

@DanT-godofpain

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCrimsonGhostt But it's not possible so it can never be real, right? It's already real whether you like it or not, so why don't you continue to close your eyes and pretend it isn't? You're running in circles, you lose.

My favourite verse from the bible that I like to quote to bigots. Penalty for Violating the Sabbath 32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. I'm wondering if any of you bigots ever picked up a stick on the Holy day? If so then should you not be executed? Your book says so.

@CarlosMendez003

8 ай бұрын

Great point! These idiots love to pick and choose what they want out of the Bible so they can spew their hatred against others.

@GoatOfAllTrades

4 ай бұрын

This literally only applied to the Israelites in the old testament as part of their own covenant with god. In the new testament AKA modern day most, covenants made with god were remade less legalistically but through the faith of and teachings of jesus, therefore our book does not say we should still be killed for picking up sticks on a Saturday. Im also not a bigot, I simply believe that true love is what god defines it as because he is literally perfection. Love as he defines it is a monogenous relationship between man and woman with any sexual activity taking place in that relationship having to be open to the creation of life. As you can see lgbtq relations aren't any of that. I also do not go out of my way to spread hate to these groups or treat them differently because of their orientation, jesus himself when he saw sinners did not ostracize them from everything but instead educated them on the true way of doing things. Lastly This isnt cherry picking what I choose to follow in my religion because the old and new testament are two different rulesets in the bible with only the new testament applying today. The old testament is simply just the documentation of how Christianity originated and made the building blocks for what it is today. Not everything in the old testament applies to actual Christianity as it is now. TLDR: Study some basic theology dumbass 💀

So then by this logic.. birth control, oral and anal sex, and pulling out are all sins too..

The sheer amount of hate in these comments proves the necessity of videos like these.

@GladiumSpiritus

9 жыл бұрын

Jan Hertsens Too bad that's hardly the case.

@GladiumSpiritus

9 жыл бұрын

That's some nice ad hominem shit ya got there. On top of that, misrepresenting oppositions position. Nice touch. You should tip your fedora elsewhere.

@GladiumSpiritus

9 жыл бұрын

Spin? I'm not the one spinning anything. You're blatantly misrepresenting the positions of people you don't agree with. Whilst, may I add, painting them in a purely negative fashion in order to make your position look like the moral high ground. I won't argue with those who don't start at a rational point. You didn't come here to have a civil discussion, that's clear. You came here to bash and misrepresent the people you hate. It doesn't matter that you disagree, it matters that you won't be civil about how you conduct yourself. You are wrong in this. So, pickup your fedora and leave.

@Itamar536.

7 жыл бұрын

naa

@mr.g7782

7 жыл бұрын

Gladium Spiritus Circular reasoning. The criticism something receives , justifies it's existence.

9 years later and people still eat this shit up

This whole dialogue is conflated with perpetuating and reinforcing misinformation. Sexual orientation is an instinct, it’s not a behavior or a choice. It is not an issue of morality.

"We're saying that same sex marriage is impossible..." This why I'm an atheist. It's not that I'm angry at God, or reject God (or any other gods) - it's that I find the concept of God, especially as the big three conceive it, impossible and ridiculous.

@dayne-kora2415

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean exactly?

@brynnhatcher8279

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you find that to be the case?

@karatematt

3 жыл бұрын

@@brynnhatcher8279 Which part? My implied thoughts on marriage or my atheism?

@oswaldrabbit1409

2 жыл бұрын

And that's your right. God did give you free will with the idea you might use it after all.

@believer8662

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what the kingdom that opposes God wants you to believe. Sadly, you have been deceived.

Keep the marriage bed pure and undefiled amen

@katamas832

3 жыл бұрын

Or just do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone...

@sarahminton4111

3 жыл бұрын

@@katamas832 you missed the point of the video entirely.

@katamas832

3 жыл бұрын

@@sarahminton4111 The point of the video boils down to "the Bible tells us so". I didn't miss it. I simply don't care what the Bible says

The issue with this argument (and I know this is old now, 7 years), but having a religion and beliefs is fine, but telling other people that aren’t part of that religion that they can’t do something is nonsense. You can’t use your religion to tell other people what to do. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@deniss2623

2 жыл бұрын

You talk as if there were no such thing as Truth! Painting the truth as "mere religion" is a cop-out.

@talkingtobugs6124

2 жыл бұрын

@@deniss2623 listen to say you have the truth you first have to prove it and not just to the other religions but first to the different sections of your religion If Christians all believes the same thing it would be a lot more likely you know some secret truth about life and god but seeing two pastors of the same religion having a screaming match over a small detail doesn’t really make it seem like you guys have figured out the meaning of life just sayin

@vaasnaad

2 жыл бұрын

@@deniss2623 The truth is that homosexuality is a biological, hard wired thing just like heterosexuality is. And you live in a country where the founders said that if it didn't pick your pocket or break your arm, it wasn't your business. You've lived your entire life without knowing I have a boyfriend I love very much and you can go on just the same now that you know. Or you can stuff it and shut up and get used to being viewed as a bad person because of your faith - because you are. Bigotry is bad regardless the excuse, and it does keep you from being a good person. It SURELY keeps you from being Christ like. The Truth is your interpenetration of your holy text contradicts reality, and is therefore. Find something that doesn't break reality - most other Christians, frankly, have already evolved past this. And you act like your Truth isn't just one of hundreds out there, every single one having as much "proof" that you don't have the Truth. Truth remains True regardless of time and fashion, and the Truth is, you are clueless about human sexuality and need to shut up spewing garbage. Your MYTHOLOGY is wrong on many issues. I can prove it. You can't. Grow a brain.

@deniss2623

2 жыл бұрын

@@talkingtobugs6124 Truth will prove itself. It is almighty and inescapable. But if you do not believe in Absolute Truth and instead maintain that we can each decide on our own individual "truths" to suit ourselves, then obviously you have a problem. You need to think things through.

@deniss2623

2 жыл бұрын

@@vaasnaad My reply to you has been removed. Did you report it? I think that proves you don't have a valid argument and just want to shut down free debate. Does not the very design of the human body speak eloquently on this matter, and clearly indicate what is legitimate use and what is misuse? Sin causes us to kiss our brains goodbye, I'm afraid.

Being against gay marriage is no different than being against interracial marriage.

"We're not saying we don't want you to get married, we're saying you can't get married. We aren't trying to disappoint anyone its just the truth" God, why am I watching this video

@rakarestu23

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao i wonder why i watch this too

@kamariatheevangelist184

3 жыл бұрын

Because God want's you to see this. He loves you

@Shawnjames777

3 жыл бұрын

What they mean by, "You can't get married," is that God defined marriage as being between man and woman. What two men do on that day is something other than what God instituted. Therefore, it's impossible for two men to get married.

@kamariatheevangelist184

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shawnjames777 preach..Amen

@kamariatheevangelist184

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonalhomophobie There are many examples look up testimonys from people who see him. You will regret denouncing God. Repent

Wow. This was a really great conversation. I have a short attention span and I actually sat through the discussion seamlessly.

@kkb892

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Jones um okay

It very pathetic of not one not two but three men. Adult and matured to come together and say they are talking about why something is wrong and then say absolutely nothing relevant..One of you says "It is impossible, based on what sexuality is" referring to same sex marriage and proceeds to not even explain..no evidence not explanation just an authoritative proclamation..Another one of you says that the current debate on it being a private matter is a lie..Again proceeds to give no explanation why...then he continues to say that law is established under principle and precedent and gives an onroute that we the existence of same sex marriage comes other sexual vices..This coming from a black man whose ancestors faced discrimination....it is hilarious. How do you come to establish that homosexuality is a leeway or gateway to things like pedo****? Another one of you comes and says monogamy does not exist in same sex relationships...and again I ask...from whom and where are you making these assertion????....It is utterly disappointing to just see people spreading hate masked as the truth..with no evidence or concrete justification apart from belief...If there is a God I hope he had mercy on your damned souls.

The sexual tension is unbearable. Three closet gays talking about how being gay is wrong. Hilarious.

@isidoreaerys8745

2 жыл бұрын

Scientific FACT

There is not hate like a Christians “love”

@Pacifica74

Жыл бұрын

Christians follow Christ. If you have a problem with Christians, you have a problem with Jesus Christ.

@evanalec5403

Жыл бұрын

Wat?

@tamd5670

Жыл бұрын

@@evanalec5403Christians preach about love but they hate like nobody’s business

It's 2021 and only 1 of these dudes hasn't walked this issue back a bit or try to reframe it.

@emeldacampbell417

2 жыл бұрын

Which one

@EGM369

2 жыл бұрын

@@emeldacampbell417 The gentleman Voddie Baucham, big fella on the left.

@NihilSineDeo09

2 жыл бұрын

@@EGM369 kudos to Voddie, my big brother in Christ. He is increasingly becoming the voice of John the Baptist in our society, something we have been lacking for decades. Great shall be his reward in heaven!

@samuelforesta

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, hypocrites.

@jordanblarson

2 жыл бұрын

Brian, why are you spreading lies and rumors? It's ungodly and gross. JD Greear and Russell Moore have not walked back on this issue. You're being slanderous.

If your argument is that god says it's wrong, your god has no say over who I love or get married to. It's my life not yours. You do you. It is private.

@Grokford

Жыл бұрын

The Bible actually lists love among the fruits of the spirit and says “against such things there is no law”. These people are basically passing off fanfiction as theology.

The "wait to have children" is that precious children take so much of a young couples time (travel, going out with friends, sex etc) and introduce many difficulties to a brand new marriage. Waiting is fine. Children are a blessing, but let's be real.

@SweetTea742

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree 🙏🏽

@beantrader4723

Жыл бұрын

God said, "All children belong to me". These fornicating slugs that jump into bed with anyone for sex & make babies should be imprisoned. ALL parents should have been trained by their parents (& their parents etc) the instructions of God's teachings, commands, & judgments that are set down in the Bible so that these Heavenly laws are instilled into the growing child to be passed on to every generation AS GOD INTENDED. This would turn the tide of the evil in this world that predominates over good & Godly intent.

Wow! What a difference 7 years makes. J. D. Greear, and Russell Moore have since jumped onto the "woke" bandwagon but Dr. Baucham is still faithful to the Bible. Amazing how two SBC stalwarts have fallen into the "woke" culture but the faithful one, Voddie, is still preaching the truth. God bless you Voddie Baucham!

@lilachart6371

3 жыл бұрын

Voddie stands firm ..listen to his sermon on defending the Faith..

@peterjory7531

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonalhomophobie haha

@Robin-bq1zq

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. How old school truth was this compared to the woke-ness of the TGC crowd of current. Keep on Dr. Voddie. Keep standing though the rest may fall.

@josettedc703

3 жыл бұрын

So sad that TGC has gone full woke

@dianesoper708

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nonalhomophobie The words of God came before science.

I agree with everything here... Almost. The "why are you surprised" part, I'm completely with it. Like why are we surprised that in this era, marriage like birth control and pornography and adultery are at their highest when it comes to how many people are affected by those things, even church people?! Why are we surprised?! It's challenging for the Church, but we shouldn't be surprised of their mere existence. It's written. It's supposed to be happening. The apostle Paul warned us to not be surprised of those things but to keep our faith and to continue to tell the truth... So, no I'm not surprised and you shouldn't be either.

@helenas7605

Жыл бұрын

What do you have against birth control?

Thank you for your pastor's heart. The truth received and believed does set you free.

@GavinAlexander.

Жыл бұрын

What truth?

@MusicalRaichu

6 ай бұрын

a bunch of straight guys talking about something they know nothing about!?

The people discussing this could have done with someone at the table to discuss and challenge their ideas.

@mr.centrist5789

2 жыл бұрын

@Κύκλωπας these ideas have been challenged. You just refuse to acknowledge it

@wishlist011

2 жыл бұрын

@Κύκλωπας There are a number of things presented that I wouldn't accept without question. One that stands out particularly is the "slippery slope" argument that is suggested in the video. This is made on the assumption that a "love is all you need" principle is being established through the acceptance of same sex relationships. I see no good reason to imagine this is the case and none is offered. Restrictions on the age at which someone can consent to a sexual relationship would be less appropriate. They would seem to have nothing at all to do with sexual orientation - why should/would they? I suspect the argument is made in the video merely to paint a broad-brush view of same sex relationships as equivalent to abusive ones. But it isn't substantiated ... hence the interest in challenging it to see if there is any merit in it at all or if it is just invention.

Great video! I pray it ministers to whoever responds!

@StuartFuckingLittle

Жыл бұрын

‘You shouldn’t be gay’ doesn’t really help somebody who is already confused and feels different. Arrogance and ignorance to the highest degree.

@elizabethc9843

Жыл бұрын

@@StuartFuckingLittle not quite sure how this comment relates to my comment

@StuartFuckingLittle

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabethc9843 KZread literally keeps adding my comment to the wrong comment lol

@camerong5513

Жыл бұрын

Only the gullible would respond