I can't believe this incredibly historically villianized man used to cosplay ancient rome by himself in his room to calm himself down, I mean talk about escapism

@Midorikonokami

3 жыл бұрын

Also, he trolled so hard everyone took him seriously and called him a villain.

@Bluecho4

3 жыл бұрын

That's the power of LARP for you.

@f.boogaloospook2318

3 жыл бұрын

@@Midorikonokami the first romeaboo

@messianic_scam

2 жыл бұрын

he was deluded

@memorablegan7920

Жыл бұрын

That’s why he’s based

You either become a famous political analyst, or you troll so hard that you go down in history as a villain.

@rawovunlapin8201

4 жыл бұрын

In the end, I think that what we can learn from Machiavelli is that trolls truly are the greatest villains of all

@MrAshCarr

4 жыл бұрын

@@rawovunlapin8201 But sometimes they can be the kind of villains you love to hate

@Edax_Royeaux

4 жыл бұрын

I've learned writing a book ironically is a bad idea. Karl Marx had sarcasm in his manifesto and a century after the fact and translated into another language and the context behind the "joke" is long gone.

@twistedtachyon5877

4 жыл бұрын

@@Edax_Royeauxtruth. machiavelli gets a pass from me on account of the "it'd be nice to write this book and not be tortured afterwards" plan.

@saber1epee0

4 жыл бұрын

This+++

"It is my intention to write a book that will be useful, at least to those who read it intelligently..." I know a clap back when I see one. What an absolute savage.

@cloudkitt

4 жыл бұрын

Kind of a clap forward

@Krahazik

4 жыл бұрын

Apparently there were lots of people back in the day who missed that line, or couldn't comprehend what it ment. Same thing.

@robertdicke7249

4 жыл бұрын

@@Krahazik It seems American public schools cant comprehend what that line means cause when I was taught about this dude I was taught this guy is a scheming tyrant and like the sheep try not to be I never questioned this until it was brought to my attention to just now.

@DaBeezKneez

4 жыл бұрын

Complete biased rhetoric by the creator of this content. Instead of just giving facts and information, every sentence he regurgitates has his subjective opinion.

@robertdicke7249

4 жыл бұрын

@@DaBeezKneez He gave only facts and information, "information" includes opinions as in he "informed" you of his opinion. Also all opinions are subjective so describing one as such is redundant. If all you want is the straight facts of things then you need to go to a different reality. Philosophically speaking you can only know one thing which is that you exist. Even with basil assumptions anything beyond your scope of experiences relies on accepting the assertions of other sources. Even if you decide that mass consensus is sufficient(which would require you to accept several religions that contradict into your life if applied as a standard) then even then things like history still wont qualify. History is based on peoples interpretations of accounts and evidence then cross referencing them for reliability, even when deemed reliable these things still are free from spreading miss information. So you will not get any "facts" with this subject friend. What you are REALLY looking for is a specific persons or group of peoples opinion that you in your own lack of understanding for some reason accept the assertion that they are most qualified to give. Or one can accept its difficult to be sure of knowing much of anything and that 1 of any number of different claims to the same question can happen to be the correct. Perhaps hearing all the claims is more enlightening then closing your mind to only one possibility.

last time i was this early the *ROMAN EMPIRE WAS SAWED IN HALF* to show the power of flex tape

@sirapple589

4 жыл бұрын

But did you repair it using only the power of religion?

@longschlongsilver7628

4 жыл бұрын

Guess Flex tape can't fix everything

@spookyshadowhawk6776

4 жыл бұрын

@@sirapple589 He got German flagellants in line to do it, each inspired by their own miracle whip. They were Very popular during the time of Black Death.

@thepacifistassassin9704

4 жыл бұрын

Ah, Diocletian. Really wanted to show how well Flex Tape would work.

@embasorangiratina36

4 жыл бұрын

@@thepacifistassassin9704 It's a real shame he never realized that it hadn't been invented yet.

So Machiavelli got exiled from Florence the same way Blue got exiled from Red's comfy chair next to the fireplace. Now he's doomed to lecture from a white abyss.

@DarkestElemental616

4 жыл бұрын

We can enjoy the improved animation, though.

@ryanbarrie9143

4 жыл бұрын

Plot twist!

@joxerthemighty9148

3 жыл бұрын

guess he needs to develop his own lecture playground, since history is mainly wars recorded maybe a man cave full of flags?

“Machiavelli is the most criminally misunderstood writer in history” Nietzsche would like to have a word with you...before he has a nervous breakdown

@alexanderbyrne9684

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@ozkul_arda200

4 жыл бұрын

It wasn't a nervous breakdown it was a bruh moment

@sirrliv

4 жыл бұрын

And before he laments not living long enough to literally punch Hitler in the face for forever distorting and bastardizing Nietzschian philosophy worse than Hideki Tojo did to the Bushido Code.

@ZachValkyrie

4 жыл бұрын

And I bet Orwell won't be far behind...

@PhileasLiebmann

4 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche misunderstood? Hm, nah! Abused, distorted and misappropriated by the Nazis? Yes.

“Men should be either treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injuries - for heavy ones they cannot.” - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli

@rajkotancevic3565

4 жыл бұрын

I dont think it applies anymore since theres much difference in between then dueling with sharp big knifes for hurt honour to present day venting on yt comment section. : D

@Lord_Of_Night

4 жыл бұрын

@@rajkotancevic3565 It's also pretty metaphorical. An example, instead of physically wounding them, financially wounding would also prevent them from going against you.

@rajkotancevic3565

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lord_Of_Night Someone that realy wants to hurt you will find a way.Thats like saying someone wont rob you because law says so.

@Vespuchian

4 жыл бұрын

@@rajkotancevic3565 Very true, people accepted the results of duels. Joking aside, the original point still stands: Machiavelli is advocating in this passage that if you have to deal with an enemy it's best to either resolve the issue magnanimously, thus removing motivation for future conflict, or defeat them overwhelmingly, so they are neither capable of later retaliation nor motivated to make the attempt. Punitively slapping down a rival might work in the short term but now they're both motivated to return the favour and still have the resources to do so.

@WakkaMadeInYevon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Vespuchian of course everyone knows having a persistent rival makes you 10x cooler by association so Machi loses out on this one.

People who hate Machiavelli: "He's a scheming little monster who advocates for tyrants!" Machiavelli: "R/whoosh"

@anonymoussourcream3175

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks I hate it

@PhileasLiebmann

4 жыл бұрын

Beat me to it

@bestwind4618

4 жыл бұрын

People would then be like r/iHaveReddit

@thecure2685

4 жыл бұрын

Today I learned that Machiavelli would've been a mobile user

@MaladyKayjo

4 жыл бұрын

Archsteel r/wooooshhasfouros

Super Villain: It is as Machiavelli said! 'It's better to be feared than loved!' Heroically Informed Protagonist: Actually Machiavelli meant that in a situation where you had to choose between fear and love, fear was safer, but a ruler had to work so he wasn't flat out hated. Villain: ....What? Protagonist: Yeah. And Machiavelli was very much for the Republic and people working together for the greater good of the Republic. So....by trying to put the entire world under your rule, you're actually going against just about everything Machiavelli stood for. Villain: What! But... I! Protagonist *Holds up the Prince* You never actually read this book thoroughly and intellectually did you? *Cue Villainous Breakdown*

@merrittanimation7721

4 жыл бұрын

Reading the classics: it'll save your life some day.

@federicoarmada8775

4 жыл бұрын

How does “putting the entire world under your role” contradict the whole “people working together for the greater good”? Aren’t people in the so called free republics competing against his compatriots for who gets enough money to live comfortably while not caring about whatever happens to the rest of the nation? Why would a dictatorship necessarily make that worse?

@admontblanc

4 жыл бұрын

@@federicoarmada8775 it doesn't, and I'm sure that Machiavelli (knowing full well you can't get rid of all princes just because you like democracy more) at least partly intended for the book to also advise princes on how to be better rulers. That aside, the main problem with dictatorships is that while one dictator might be a genius and improve everything a lot, people aren't eternal and good one is pften succeeded by a greedy, incompetent one. Just look at Caesar Augustus who many people consider the greatest emperor of Rome, even though he suffered multiple setbacks with his succession, even though he made enormous efforts to ensure his heir would be the best suited person possible to succeed him, in the end he had no choice but to appoint a man who had always been in the last spots of his mind to succeed him.

@michellevirinam2561

4 жыл бұрын

Federico Armada Dictators aren‘t neccessarily worse than democracy, but ruthless people often advance more than people who care for the general good. This leads to dictators being, generally speaking, people you wouldn‘t want to have absolute power.

@federicoarmada8775

4 жыл бұрын

@@michellevirinam2561 Succession is a problem in any form of government. Better to have one person with absolute power who could be bad but also would be capable of killing off traitors, maffia bosses and pedophiles than having a constant succession of democraticly chosen traitors and pedophiles who depend on external financial support to stay in power.

Big Mach: "Hey, guys, so this is what I wrote..." Everyone else: *Proceeds to take the EXACT OPPOSITE MEANING* Big Mach: "...I don't want to live on this planet anymore."

@ThatRandomEncounterGuy

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to my World. I forgot Godwin's Law.

@rawovunlapin8201

4 жыл бұрын

Who knew that sarcasm doesn't translate well in the written word /s

@coreytaylor447

4 жыл бұрын

the bible: first time?

@devinsiner5489

4 жыл бұрын

Books they are useful when you actually think about the words that are on the pages.

@ThatRandomEncounterGuy

4 жыл бұрын

Devin Siner it also helps when people don’t overanalyze your worldbuilding and write their own subtext in the margins.

Machiavelli trying to divert a river with Leonardo da Vinci where's that mission Assassins Creed???????????

@BonaparteBardithion

4 жыл бұрын

The misadventures of Machiavelli and da Vinci would be an awesome show, especially if they decide to go alternate history with it - as people often do with da Vinci.

@paradoxacres1063

4 жыл бұрын

It's not mentioned in Assassin's Creed (or any work of Fiction) because Leonardo da Vinci is always put on a *pedestal* so no one wants to talk about his mistakes 😅

@Scarletraven87

4 жыл бұрын

It was about diggin a channel and divert the river. What they did instead was putting up some kerbstone technology at the river mouth.

@clockworkkirlia7475

3 жыл бұрын

@@BonaparteBardithion Alternate history Leonardo Da Vinci is probably the best way to make him interesting. We got the least productive possible Leonardo, and he had so many amazing ideas!

@aubreyhuff46

3 жыл бұрын

@@clockworkkirlia7475 Well that's because many great men such as Leonardo get lost in time. They never are found to be great by those of the time. If he was given proper backing he couldve moved Medicine and mechanical technologies by a good bit of time.

Still sounds like Machiavelli was playing fourth dimensional chess while everyone else was failing to learn checkers.

@lordmanatee439

3 жыл бұрын

He was just trying to explain checkers to idiots

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

@@lordmanatee439 And unfortunately, 5 fucking centuries later, the people who need to understand are still idiots!

@ashlynlarsen1992

11 ай бұрын

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@ashlynlarsen1992

11 ай бұрын

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So, Blue loves Machiavelli because he too laid awake at night thinking about Rome?

@TheDiplomancer

4 жыл бұрын

Real recognize real

@jvtagle

4 жыл бұрын

SonofSethoitae Cyan in shambles

@xyAKMxy

4 жыл бұрын

Any self-respecting man or woman in this day and age spends every night thinking about Rome.

@SonofSethoitae

4 жыл бұрын

@@xyAKMxy Nah. Achaemenids for life.

@realdeanhunter

3 жыл бұрын

You don't?

Machiavelli: *(Wearing a Beret and Glasses)* I write Political treatises ironically, not that *You* would get it

@stefanwalicord2512

4 жыл бұрын

I love it

@neroblack2704

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair they did in fact not get it.

@DanteTorn

4 жыл бұрын

@@neroblack2704 That's part of the joke weldonwin is making. (I'm just explaining neutrally here btw, not being like "THAT'S THE JOKE DUMBASS LOL" like you tend to see.)

@neroblack2704

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanteTorn yes, I know.

@unflexian

4 жыл бұрын

_"Egypt is in Africa"_ - Machiavelli, 2019

Also that (in)famous quote: 'better to be feared than loved', if I remember good, it was in the context of: 'if you can't have both... and, for the love of God, don't make people hate you'.

@Zajin13

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, pretty much. I believe to remember that he directly advised to completely destroy a political opponent rather than let them hang around alive supposedly powerless because bitter feelings linger and insulted people will never be quiet for their whole live or something along those lines.

@ryuj7693

4 жыл бұрын

pretty much, although there is a theme in the chapter of directed fear. be cruel to those that have wronged you/ the state but not their relatives. he also hedges a lot of the cruelty in the context of war and concludes by saying that you can not control if the people love you but you can control their fear.

@kaimagnus5760

4 жыл бұрын

"If one can not be both, It is better to be feared than loved" is the exact quote. An emphasis on the IF is needed it seems lol.

@minerva9104

4 жыл бұрын

kai magnus And he 100% also says that you want to be feared without being hated.

@kaimagnus5760

4 жыл бұрын

@@minerva9104 Being hate almost guarantees that people will throw their lives away to see you dead so that's definitely not what a Prince would want.

"This stuff is comedy GOLD for the next Pope Fights." I'm sorry, so we're getting more Pope Fights? Color me excited!

@Bobberation

4 жыл бұрын

Pope Fights 3 Confirmed

@newperve

4 жыл бұрын

Machiavelli refers to a prince who always breaks his word and is always believed, but it's better not to name him. Hopefully he'll be in the next Pope Fight.

@thotiusthemad5318

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bobberation yes

He'd DEFINITELY have a podcast if he were here today

@rawovunlapin8201

4 жыл бұрын

Dude would probably rant about the virtues of republics like no other

@Triumph263

4 жыл бұрын

"So today's topic is "How to Read the Words I Wrote and Actually Understand them." cause ya'll clearly need some help with that."

@overgrownswamp

4 жыл бұрын

... And he would still be hated, because people still can't read :(

@petergao96

4 жыл бұрын

@@overgrownswamp or listen

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

He was a man ahead of his time… and unfortunately, our time as well.

"The Senate sends its regards!" *tackled to ground* Probably should have ambushed Commodus at, oh, let's say, a wedding.

@merrittanimation7721

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe a gladitorial arena.

@johnohara4788

4 жыл бұрын

Probably should’ve cued the assassination with some bomb ass violin music too

@eliburry-schnepp6012

4 жыл бұрын

Or in a bath...

@istvankarolyfarkas6125

4 жыл бұрын

Usually a person stays alive long enough to whisper them a one liner. It is quite hard to instantly kill someone. (or at least this is what I heard)

@camiblack1

4 жыл бұрын

Me:Bespoken Knife: Out I am forcibly tackled to the ground then executed.

"During history a lot of people didn't read The Prince intelligently!" Mussolini: Wait, what ?

@BradyPostma

4 жыл бұрын

"Mussolini" and "intelligently" rarely belong in the same sentence.

@lorisuprifranz

4 жыл бұрын

@@BradyPostma Exactly!

@thatmarchingarrow

3 жыл бұрын

@@BradyPostma I mean, I get all the hate Mussolini gets and everything, but there is at least one undeniably good thing Mussolini did. And that is ruining his own plans and ambitions.

@BradyPostma

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatmarchingarrow Like how Hitler did do one thing right; he killed Hitler.

@tomasbedoya2901

2 жыл бұрын

BradyPostma You can have the political opinions you want, but you don't go from exile and jail to establishing an absolute regime centered around you if you are an idiot

History proved that using irony as a way of writing doesn't always work as it's hard to read the tone of your voice.

@artofthepossible7329

4 жыл бұрын

See Jane Austen, “It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.” Surprisingly, never heard her be called a misogynist.

@bonogiamboni4830

4 жыл бұрын

A whole lotta problems could have been avoided if machiavelli just wrote /s at the end of the book.

@saastamoinen32

4 жыл бұрын

Domen Bremec Agreed especially when reading something that has been written hundreds of years ago, understanding the context can be a bit tricky.

@artofthepossible7329

3 жыл бұрын

@Jo True but considering how much of Austen's work involves young women trying to find advantageous marriages in order to survive adult life, and with the current state of feminism, I would have thought that at least one reader would be outraged by such state of affairs. And honestly all the potential reasons for the lack of outrage I can think of surprise me just as much as the lack of outrage in the first place.

@somekindofflower2024

3 жыл бұрын

@@artofthepossible7329 They had nothing to look forward to in those times I guess, but I also don't wonder why such popularity today. Jane Austen is kinda idealistic, she doesn't show much of the problems and conflicts going on in that time, she wanted to write about beautiful balls, dukes and relationships, something most girls thirst for nowadays. People even love Bridgerton. But yes, I wonder why some feminists don't show any revolt towards its popularity

4:53 Senator: “The Senate sends its regards” Emperor: “I am the Senate”

@higueraft571

4 жыл бұрын

This is getting out of hand, now there's two of them!

Finally, now I can learn what the term “Machiavellian” actually means. Thanks Blue, you saved me a Google search.

@idigamstudios7463

4 жыл бұрын

The really nice thing about the breadth of work by Machiavelli is kind of a historical how too for governing. In a desperate time a of chaos the best outcome is a wise and prudent Prince to seize power and get things back in order who then has the foresight to hand over this ordered parlance and government to the republic.

@cloudkitt

4 жыл бұрын

Well odds are if you hear someone say "Machiavellian" in the wild today, they're probably just describing something as the "ends justify the means."

@profezzordarke4362

4 жыл бұрын

@@cloudkitt Or narcissist manipulative behaviour

@ziggystatdust6008

4 жыл бұрын

You can read The Prince, probably one of his most influential books. It still has influence on some political and social interactions of society today

@raf015_2

4 жыл бұрын

In Italian, we use two different words to talk about Machiavelli: "Machiavelliano" and "Machiavellico". The first one is used to describe Niccolò's works or his way of thinking, the other one is instead used as Machiavellian is commonly used in English.

"Machiavelli didn't write down his actual advice on governing Florence because FUCKING LEAVE would've got him tortured again" I'm literally rolling right now 😂

As an Italian that had to study this guy’s works in school I never understood he could have been so misrepresented and misunderstood outside of Italy. Thanks for bringing historical justice as always, Blue 💙

@accelmemory

4 жыл бұрын

I never even knew that I had been misunderstanding him. I'm American, and all we know of Machiavelli is that he was some sort of political genius (and an Assassins Creed character). Our schools aren't very good at covering relevant people, even for college level classes lol

@ROL4NDpkmnguide

4 жыл бұрын

Meta Grave God bless the quite high standards and nationalism of the Italian school system xD

@infamedepatates2502

4 жыл бұрын

Similar to how the Quixote is misrepresented outside of Spain

@dDoodle788

4 жыл бұрын

@@ROL4NDpkmnguide it's a shame that not a lot of people get to study macchiavelli in depth, I'm glad to be an Italian in this moment. It is also true that the Italian public school literary curriculum tend to be pretty "nationalistic" and sometimes I wonder if beacause of this we are getting a warped wiew of foreign classics (when we actually get to study them). For example in my highschool literature book Dickens was covered in three pages and a half, and half of those were just a roast of both his language and his themes ( granted that book tended to roast minor Italian authors as well from time to time so it may not be a case of blind patriotism but of blind haderence to one's opinion ).Now put this against the multiple chapter coverage of the the English literature book that could just not stop showering him with praise.

@ROL4NDpkmnguide

4 жыл бұрын

@@dDoodle788 What literature book did you use in high school?

As someone who grew up loving the idea of Machiavellian characters in writing, it's such an amazing plot twist to find out it was all a lie. But now I need a new villain to idolize...

@zer0w0lf94

4 жыл бұрын

Have you watched Code Geass or Death Note? Their protagonists should give you your fix.

@archsteel7

4 жыл бұрын

Look up Act Utilitarianism. It's a moral philosophy that while great on the surface, is based entirely on the idea of "The ends justify the means" and can get real sketchy if you apply it in certain ways. Great moral philosophy to found a villain off of

@trippsmythoftheaurigancoal8155

4 жыл бұрын

Why is he a villian? Every villian is the hero in their story...

@TheComicbookguy78

4 жыл бұрын

Liberals is a good place to look!

@Vespuchian

4 жыл бұрын

Try Lord Vetinari from Terry Pratchet's 'Discworld' series. Tyrant of the world's largest city state, he uses his power to make sure the whole place doesn't burn down, fall over, and sink into the swamp it's built on. An absolute master of civic-minded tyranny.

I'm happy to tell you that when we study Macchiavelli in school in Italy he's treated as the brilliant politics writer he was. I learned much later that basically everywhere else he's this infamous figure, so much that the 17 century english sometimes called the devil Old Nick.

So basically... The whole world thought Maciavelli was a tyranny lover because he hadn't had a /s/ sarcasm /s/ symbol watermarked all over "the prince"?

Machiavelli's The Prince is a how to guide in the same sense that Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is a cookbook.

Thank you for this! I had no idea “The Prince” was basically the literary equivalent of “Fight Club” in widely misunderstood criticism of power-desperate men!

“A ruler will also be respected when he is a genuine friend and a genuine enemy, that is, when he declares himself ambiguously for one side and against the other” The Prince Chapter 21 Niccolo Machiavelli

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

So don’t waver and flip-flop between stances. State your views and state them honestly, and even those who oppose you will respect you.

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

Literally no politician of any country knows how to do that.

"Machiavelli is the most criminally misunderstood writer in history and I am always mad about it." Those who read intelligently salute you.

"Let's do some God Damn History!" -*Blue*

As a political science student who studied Machiavellis works i just want to say: Thank you and well done

Macchiavelli had truly a great inpact on italian politics, now his beloved Florence hosts one of the biggest universities specialized in political science, and a few of its alumni have been some of the best presidents of the italian republic!

5:40: France did accomplish one thing in its invasion of Italy; it discovered that Italy was 1). Rich 2). Divided, and 3). Weak. And it then proceeded to let the rest of Europe know this. The results were *ahem* predictable.

@dcbanacek2

4 жыл бұрын

Usually when France discovers something like that, England comes along to steal it.

I always get such strange looks when I say I love Machiavelli - mostly cause there's no context for me to bring him up 😂

@trippsmythoftheaurigancoal8155

4 жыл бұрын

There is always a context to bring him up.

Yeah he'd be happy to know that Italy is a united republic , he'd be less happy to know how it's doing

@vaderbuckeye36

4 жыл бұрын

He might even say that a prince might need to temporarily restore order

@johnnyawe1469

4 жыл бұрын

@@vaderbuckeye36 but there is no doubt in my mind he would hate Mussolini.

@davidegaruti2582

4 жыл бұрын

@@vaderbuckeye36 no

@davidegaruti2582

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyawe1469 well , i'll be playing devil's advocate here and say that as ignorant and uncoerent as he was Mussolini loved the Prince , and he followed it in many passages , however we would have the problem of Macchiavelli a guy from the 15th 16th century having to judge a situation from the 20th century , with no clue about the tirthy years war , the french revolution , the industrial revolution and all the new technology that existed ( the radio, industrial production , electricity ecc. ecc.) all of this considered he would probably be confused by the situation

@johnnyawe1469

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidegaruti2582 Yeah, but all he'd have to know is that Mussolini is partly responsible for the constantly changing and chaotic Italian government of today. I also think he wouldn't like the fact he tried to hold onto power as long as possible one bit.

One could argue that The Prince was a sort of proto-satire, and the reason Machiavelli got his reputation was because we didn't understand satire yet

@morganrobinson8042

4 жыл бұрын

There's also some argument for using disingenuous reasoning to convince horrible people to good behavior in their own self-interest. He was probably just really tired of self-destructive idiots with city-states.

@MasteringJohn

4 жыл бұрын

I've always seen The Prince as a description of what princely governance necessarily entails (which quietly promotes republicanism by implication). Later monarchs like Frederick II criticized the book, because they wanted to believe that monarchs could serve as symbols of moral character to the people, rather than accept that the very institution necessitates abuse.

@FirefoxisredExplorerisblueGoog

4 жыл бұрын

Satire wasn't developed after Machiavelli, though. The Greeks had a rich culture of satirical stage plays. A learned man like Machiavelli would've known about these plays because philosophers like Socrates were often written into these plays as the butt of the joke.

@nymphrodellsalavin

4 жыл бұрын

The Satyrican was a satirical novel written in the first century AD... How about quasi-satire?

@humourlessjester3584

2 жыл бұрын

Even now with the rise of twitter nobody ever gets it when you post satire.

Eagerly waiting for Pope Fights that includes the Borgias.

@merrittanimation7721

4 жыл бұрын

I hope for a Savonarola cameo.

@Sketchman911

4 жыл бұрын

*_WHERE IS THE APPLE!?_*

Machiavelli: One day I'll write a book about you Ezio: Make it short

People always acted like he was evil, but encouraging good government is actually an act of compassion. Weak leaders, after all, only cause suffering to their people, even if their intentions are good.

@trippsmythoftheaurigancoal8155

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@Archris17

4 жыл бұрын

Morality without power is as much a cruelty as power without morality, for it is there you see the pettiness tyrants who present themselves as saintly while their nation burns around them.

@Ariaelyne

4 жыл бұрын

@@Archris17 half of The Prince is about discouraging cruelty.

An aspiring tyrant and a manipulator? Is this how other nations see him? In Italian highschool they basically gave us the same interpretation Blue gave. Only, you know, stretched out on seven hours

@xleplex7070

9 ай бұрын

In English, the word ‘Machiavellian’ is used to describe the personality trait of deceitfulness. It is even used in psychology to describe manipulators and psychopaths.

@Sabshark

9 ай бұрын

@@xleplex7070 In Italian "Machiavellico" is instead used to mean "devilishly complicated". I'm actually surprised the English-speaking world is so hard on him.

Last time I was this early China wasn't in a civil war. *Hol' up*

@unflexian

4 жыл бұрын

🎵 _China is whole again_ 🎵 🎵 _Then it broke again_ 🎵

@sirapple589

4 жыл бұрын

Oh look there’s China aaand it’s broken.

@vermilionrubin

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if buddism will reach China before it collapses again.

@Technodreamer

4 жыл бұрын

Free Hong Kong!

@devinsiner5489

4 жыл бұрын

China and Civil Wars. They go hand and hand.

9:42 Machiavelli explicitly says in Discourses on Livy when discussing his belief that one person in a corrupted republic should seize sole power by violent means so as to be in a position to revive the republic that he believes the ends do justify the means. "The action may accuse by the result excuses'. There is an entire chapter dedicated to it.

Blue's enthusiasm for Machiavelli always makes me smile. I have to wonder if there was any cosplay involved in the writing of this video

0:48 *N i c e*

@Zadiekun

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@baronofplagues

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@milkshakespeare2587

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@ShapezPuller64

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@devinsiner5489

4 жыл бұрын

Nicə

Stab first and shout slogan later is very underrated advice.

Oh, that guy. First heard of this guy from Assassin's Creed lol. The Prince being about Ezio.

@pancakes4552

4 жыл бұрын

Frain Cross pretty much

@sirapple589

4 жыл бұрын

Can’t really blame him, it’s Ezio. Who wouldn’t write about him? A loser, that’s who.

@RenoApostoli

4 жыл бұрын

"I intend to write a book about you one day". "If you do, make it short"

@louisduarte8763

4 жыл бұрын

@@sirapple589 I wrote a Dos Equis commercial about him. He went to Leonardo da Vinci for his tech support issues. He inspired Niccolo Machiavelli to write "The Prince". He called Suleiman "magnificent" before he was Sultan. He is... the Most Interesting Man in the World.

@Borderose

4 жыл бұрын

@@louisduarte8763 Minus the Suleiman part, I think all of that was Cesare Borgia in real life.

Oh hey, it’s that guy from the Assassin’s Creed games.

@blamehoodohhcanada5860

4 жыл бұрын

Me too.

@devinsiner5489

4 жыл бұрын

Oh Yes.

@kingofthings7929

4 жыл бұрын

It’s actually interesting how he’s portrayed there. On the surface, he was ruthless and authoritarian, yet allied with the freedom loving Assassins. The writers of the Ezio Trilogy did their homework.

@mackielunkey2205

4 жыл бұрын

kingofthings7929 Man, wish they made Robespierre an Heisenbergian Assassin.

@jasonblalock4429

4 жыл бұрын

@@kingofthings7929 Personally, I thought they made him a bit too ruthless... but the pairing of him and the much more idealistic Da Vinci as Ezio's main friends\advisers did make for good writing.

I thought "The Prince" was a written tutorial for Crusader Kings 2...

@artofthepossible7329

4 жыл бұрын

Last I checked incest was not a topic in the book.

I was just talking about him with my brother yesterday in relation to Lelouch vi Britannia from Code Geass. We’re currently 10 episodes in.

@katyl2334

4 жыл бұрын

lelouch is the incarnation of the Prince

@achintyanaithani889

4 жыл бұрын

A perfect example.

@IceQueen975

4 жыл бұрын

Y'all got good taste.

@thel0n3lytramp63

4 жыл бұрын

I Lelouch V Brittania, command you!

@GiftedContractor

4 жыл бұрын

You are in for a treat! Code Geass is one of the best anime's of all time

I just wrote a college paper about “The Prince”, it was pretty good.

@pendlera2959

4 жыл бұрын

The Prince or the paper?

@althaearatliffthereligion

4 жыл бұрын

Pendlera the paper, the book was amazing.

And after his "supposed" death, Niccolo Machiavelli became an immortal sorcerer with an eternal rivalry with fellow immortal sorceress Paranelle Flannel.

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

I loved those books in high school.

YES! Thank you for setting the record straight on Machiavell, reading him and then seeing how most people percieve him is maddening

"Born in 1469, *Nice*, ..." Oh my god I died that was super unexpected 😂

assassin's creed really seems like a gateway drug to history

Dude was writing under like 6 tiers of “f*** you”s and irony. A legend. Also did somebody say more POPE FIGHTS?

5:20 THE PAPERCLIP HAS INFILTRATED OSP! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

@stevenjlovelace

4 жыл бұрын

I see you're writing a KZread comment...

@greekmyths8804

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevenjlovelace *screams*

Blue. Thank you so much shedding positive light on him. I love the guys since college and even then I received a more negative reception for being a fan.

I dont have an "Early" joke but I can say, *finally* after my Mom berated me about playing Assassin's Creed, Machiavelli, Cezare, and everything else got features here! HA! Take that Mom. Yes I'll wash the dishes now.

Normie: Why does Blue say nice at Machiavelli’s birth Arthur Fleck: You wouldn’t get it

@CommanderJaneShepard2154

4 жыл бұрын

So sad to see normalfags use the word normie like that

@RashidMBey

4 жыл бұрын

@@CommanderJaneShepard2154 fffffffuck off.

@IKnowThatFeelBr0

4 жыл бұрын

@@CommanderJaneShepard2154 using a synonym won't save you. If you are in a hurry to clarify that you are not part of the majority like most, are you really not part of it?

@CommanderJaneShepard2154

4 жыл бұрын

@@IKnowThatFeelBr0 Psuedointellectual bullshit wont save you I dab on thee good sir

@higueraft571

4 жыл бұрын

@@CommanderJaneShepard2154 you're.... still using "dab", and thee like you're clever... You sure you arent a normie

Blue: *Uses Skyrim music while talking about 16th century Italy* Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood: Am I a joke to you?

@Sketchman911

4 жыл бұрын

I thought the background music was the Florence theme from AC2

The only stuff I know about Machiavelli was from Brotherhood, and the most 'manipulative' I got from him was that he was just very pragmatic and logic driven, and I know that a lot of the sub-plot stemmed from the rest of the Brotherhood misinterpreting his 'wrong stuff for the right reasons' as traitor due to his jerkish behaviour, and would quite willingly apologise when he was in the wrong.

Politics is messy, bloody, and immoral. Not machs fault he pointed out the obvious.

This is LITERALLY perfect timing I’m doing a project on him in school. 🙏

@joemason6319

4 жыл бұрын

Then it's the perfect time to read this, too, which is almost the same as this video but goes into a lot more detail: www.exurbe.com/machiavelli-s-p-q-f/

I guess I read the Prince intelligently, b/c I was on board with "most criminally misunderstood" immediately -- that, and I had a decent history teacher or two who taught me how to not only read between the lines, but also to poke around at the wider context surrounding any and all things I read.

I have an *exquisite* copy of ‘The Prince’- it was one of my bucket-list purchases; it’s a yellow satin hardcover, with metallic embossing- with period artwork & endnotes out the wazoo. It’s a very impressive read- I was trying to read a chapter a day; in this copy there are 26 chapters, plus the introduction & Lorenzo’s dedication, as well as 2 sets of appendices, & a quick chronology & brief run-down on the personalities of the time & a suggested reading list before the index. Weird or not, I actually wanted to read the chapters aloud (which limited where I was reading it, obvs), but life’s gotten in the way in the last couple of months - you’ve reminded me to get back to it.

What a fascinating video. You so understand how to give history a narrative and a purpose in your videos, which makes them all the more compelling

Picturing the ghost of Machiavelli smiling & thinking, "This Blue is a smart one."

THANK YOU, dear GOD I’ve been defending Machiavelli and his work for years and it’s good to see it broken down concisely in an incredibly well made video.

I really enjoyed this video. Ive always felt the same way about Machiavelli, and seeing my feelings and thoughts laid out on one of my favorite history channels is really cool! Thank you!

I love this channel, not only do I learn so much even out of genuine curiosity, but I can also watch these to help me study certain topics!

Tbh I’d listen to Blue discuss Machiavelli’s bowel movements because 1) Blue and 2) the man was fascinating in so many ways Edit: Blue, I really think you should do a video on Fredrick of Prussia and his badassness despite seeing his boyfriend get killed in front of him

This is spooky, I was just reading up on Machiavelli this morning. Shame he ended being so misunderstood by history. Great video as always Blue.

I've literally been thinking about this video since it came out. I finally got myself a copy of The Prince and The Discourses on Livy. It's been 15 years since I was in school and getting together with my old history teacher and starting a book club, these are two books we're reading. Thank you Blue!

Red, you *have* to start drawing Blue in a toga. That charming extract from Nicoló's letter about appropriate dress for history is exactly how I imagine Blue

Alright I'm sold, Machiavelli is officially one of my favorite historical figures. I'm definently gonna do some research on my own, he seems fascinating!

Me, an intellectual: "Hehe. You cant misunderstand a guy, if you never heared of him in the first place."

7:35 This is one of the sweetest and warmest bits of verse I've heard in a long while. Thanks for sharing this from someone I'd never have thought capable of such.😘

>when your burn is so hot the photons go beyond the visible spectrum and nobody realizes they've been utterly scorched for decades

As a Cracked article once said, Machiavelli was the Stephen Colbert of Renaissance Italy.

i really wish history class focused as much on the renaissance as blue

@floris2971

4 жыл бұрын

Bongo Kongo im dutch and in our historybook stood renaissance, but i do agree that italy was the core of the rinascimento and that italians should get more credit for what’s basically europe’s golden age

i love learning more about historic topics in the way you present it, it never ceases to inspire me to look more into the topics. i wish the educational system would allow your way of teaching history in order to make more poeple intersted i history. thank you for making this.

Wait, so _Discourses on Livy_ is basically just 400 more pages of historical analysis like the stuff in _The Prince_ ? Sign me up! I brought the old Bergin translation to a doctor's appointment once, and ended up not wanting to put it down... I'd just finished Finley's _Democracy: Ancient and Modern,_ and just happened to be totally ready for something like _The Prince._

From the bottom of my heart: Thank you.

Blue, I have been watching you and Reds channel for a little bit over two years now, when we watched one of your videos during history class I damn near had a heart attack.

How the hell am I just finding this channel. Absolutely hooked. Thanks man

Very well done! So in depth into the man. Superb research!

All I can think about is some of his advice mentioned in a manga called "how a realist hero rebuilt the kingdom." (Paraphrased) cruelty is a tool for a ruler to use. The sign of a great one is to only use it once.

You forgot the parts where he was an assassin. :D In all seriousness though, thanks for the vid. I now have two books to look for and add to my library.

Whenever we studied Machiavelli at school (I live in Italy), textbooks *always* highlighted how his work was either or both a "rules for rulers" guidebook or/and a lowkey critique and denouncing of despotism. They even mentioned a short text which had Machiavelli being judged in the afterlife and before he was let into heaven somebody warned everyone that they "saw him put wolf fangs into sheep's mouths", as a metaphorical way to call him a dangerous rabble-rouser trying to diverfe the common people into anarchy.

Thank you for this. Good thing I was able to see Machiavelli in a new way before stumbling upon his books!

Ah, that one guy medieval 2 keeps talking about

He was a good friend in Assassin’s Creed 2 and Brotherhood

Learning about the Italian Wars in class. This video was great for connecting The Prince to what I am learning. Thanks for the clarification.

This is beautiful. Thank you sir.

I mean, the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear this name is a handle bar mustache but go on.

Another day of asking Blue to sit down in his library room chair. Also N O I C E

My mother confirms that you did an excellent job - all the info, well told, in less time than a course. Good job Blue!

Yay, you finally did a Machiavelli video! I remember you talking about this in the 100k Q&A, and I'm honestly surprised you waited this long to put out this video. So glad you finally got to share with us the guy that got you into history. (Also, I can't wait for another exciting episode of POPE FIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGHHHT!)