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@nosgee

3 ай бұрын

ill think about it

@thelovingguy1449

3 ай бұрын

i like your content very much

@agniswar3

3 ай бұрын

Does 'MyHeritage' do services for people from Asia?

@UsefulCharts

3 ай бұрын

@@agniswar3 Yes. Although they don't have as many documents and users from Asia, their database is growing all the time.

@Krityat

3 ай бұрын

@@UsefulChartscan you do Albert Einstein family tree

Prejudices in the text aside, you can't deny these charts are the perfect balance between groovy and functional.

@theshenpartei

3 ай бұрын

The designs are awesome and interesting

@DZeiGaming

3 ай бұрын

What type of prejudices?

@adzard-wd1pj

3 ай бұрын

​@@DZeiGaming The video will tell you.

@samwallaceart288

3 ай бұрын

@@DZeiGaming The extra commentary on the aborigines beliefs being less civilized when a simple description would suffice. You can describe Australia without putting it in terms of how un-European it is. Not mad at it or anything, it's just not very objective is all.

@DZeiGaming

3 ай бұрын

@@samwallaceart288 oh ok makes sense

John B. Sparks, that might be one of the best last names for a chemical engineer I have heard.

@infernousgaming1393

3 ай бұрын

It's still not as good as John B. Goodenough! He won the Nobel Prize for inventing lithium-ion batteries.

@theshenpartei

3 ай бұрын

@@infernousgaming1393wait his last name was goodenough lol

@infernousgaming1393

3 ай бұрын

@@theshenpartei Yep! It's amazing, isn't it?

@melissareohorn7436

3 ай бұрын

it would even cooler if he was an electrical engineer instead

@leontrotsky7816

3 ай бұрын

John B. Sparks was also the name of the bass player in 70s British band Dr Feelgood. I always thought it was a stage name, but apparently not.

On totems and modern culture: South African culture groups still find significance in totems and izithakazelo (praise poems recounting ancestry). My wife nearly fainted when my mom mentioned a "cousin" whose surname belonged to her clan. My mother clarified that this was an adoptive (rather than blood) relative. I'm glossing over a lot of nuance in my comment. Still, fundamentally, totems, clan names (across language groups), and praise poems are often sought out by potential partners before marrying into a family to avoid incest.

I don't know of any charts personally, but I would love to see you go over modern-ish charts from the 00s 90s, 80s, 70s etc that the teachers of today likely grew up with. I imagine they are outdated in more subtle ways but still enough to bring up in videos.

@RedheadDane

3 ай бұрын

That actually made me wonder; do teachers still use those old maps they'd pull down in front of the classroom? Because I vaguely recall going to school in the 90es - damn, I'm old! - and the map of Europe would show Germany as being two countries. But now, lots of classrooms have smartboards, so teachers can find a 100% up-to-date map, and even zoom in on the important parts. I suppose the same thing can be said about charts.

@JPatterson61586

3 ай бұрын

@@RedheadDaneOur pull down map when I was in elementary not only had E&W Germany, but the USSR and Yugoslavia were still on the map. And I'm pretty sure Yemen was split.

@TheAlexSchmidt

6 күн бұрын

I imagine the reason why he doesn't is that those charts are still copyrighted so there's a limited amount of discussion he could do which would be considered fair use.

@linktv7979

5 күн бұрын

​@RedheadDane we had a globe and a world map however the teachers taught us that its all inaccurate due to the geography stretching to fit the map and on the smartboard showed us the real sizes of each land mass starting with greenland ontop of africa. That was in 2013 id assume its the same.

Please do an updated histomap of religion. After watching your other religion chart episodes, I'd feel I'd be blessed to hear your personal take on this topic. Be well.

@Ezullof

23 күн бұрын

I'm not sure it's really possible to do that. Not all religions have this kind of history. All religions have various practices (they aren't exclusively "magic" or "tribal"). Lots of stuff is socio-cultural and isn't easy to establish as a religious belief or practice. This chart isn't just eurocentric, it's also extremely theoretical and doesn't account for the reality of religion in people's lives. It posits that new beliefs and practices have to come from previous concepts, as if it was always progressing forward... but that's just not how humans work.

Religions surrounding death and burial aren't necessarily the oldest. They are simply the oldest we find in archaeology, because they are the most easily preserved, as most burials are done underground. It reminds me of the person who asked why is it that ancient people built most of their structures as pyramids. The answer is that they didn't; it's just that the structures that were built as pyramids are the most easily preserved, so that's the ones we find surviving today.

Religion For Breakfast has prepared me for this video.

I know I'm late to this trail of thought, but seeing how many great thinkers emerged relatively around the same time period, makes me really wonder about the great thinkers from centuries prior that we *don't* know about. Fantastic video as always.

@magnero2749

3 ай бұрын

They are called 'just legendary" - and any record is guilty until proven innocent. If someone today scraping clay tablets can't find them it can't possibly be the case that back, then they knew their history better than we do.

@Rizon1985

Ай бұрын

@@magnero2749 It can because history can get lost. For example native americans didn't write their history down for us to read. They sang their history passing the songs down from generation to generation to remember. Some being dated back to 5000 years ago and earlier. The aboriginals did the same thing. Easter Island people did the same thing. At powwows the leaders and spiritual leaders then also spread their own songs of their tribe with other tribes which created a web of history. A historian back then could puzzle that history together. They also all have in common a big and rapid destruction of their societies. With it those songs started disappearing. Tribes being annihilated, others where all the children were taken away so no new generation to teach and in most reservations any ceremonies were forbidden including gathering to sing. We have some songs left from the largest native american tribes, very few of the aboriginels and I think none of the Easter Island people survived as their society was already collapsed to a few hundred men and a few dozen women by the time James Cook got to them without anyone being able to tell him how the hell it happened even though it was pretty recently. The history was lost but also the knowledge how to retain that history disappeared in the total collapse. The people maintaining a library in their head disappeared and so did any chance of us ever finding out their history further than the few archeological records remaining. All the details died with them and they did have a way better understanding of their history than we ever can. One day thousands of people could have told you how Troy was captured, then a few centuries later Homer tried to glue the few remaining pieces of the story together and only 200 years later someone figured out to write it down. We probably wouldn't even know today it ever happened because Troy's site was already covered. Herodutus had the same problem of only being able to capture an essence of what happened decades to hundreds of years before in history without the details surviving.

@magnero2749

2 күн бұрын

@@Rizon1985 I appreciate the detailed examples with the native Indians you gave, but I was actually being sarcastic with "it can't possibly be the case that back, then they knew their history better than we do." I'm pretty confident they knew their history better than we do, and I find it kind of preposterous to default to a position that because we can't find something therefore it must be 'just legendary'. At best we can acknowledge these are their records as far as we have.

I ordered your book 'the Timeline of the Bible'. Absolutely an amazing addition to my library. Thank you for your hard work, honesty and unbiased scholarship.

@RubelliteFae

3 ай бұрын

IDK this existed. Glad you commented so I could find out!

@ObjectiveEthics

3 ай бұрын

@@RubelliteFae I highly recommend the book. I ordered one for myself and a copy for a friend. We are going to do a book club type of thing where we both read a section and then get together and discuss or ideas about what we read. I know it's a bit 'nerdy' but I am really excited about it. I am an agnostic and my friend is a Christian so it should make for some interesting conversations. I would also point out what an incredible value the book is. It has four of Matt Bakers charts included and I estimate the value of the book plus the charts runs about $100 but the cost of the book when I bought it was only about $27 + shipping.

@RubelliteFae

3 ай бұрын

@@ObjectiveEthics Yo, that's sounds like a blast, TBH! I can never find people IRL interested in discussing my special interests (of which religious & philosophical studies has been a life-long one).

@ObjectiveEthics

3 ай бұрын

@@RubelliteFae I feel you sister. I love to study theology, history, philosophy, science, biology, astronomy, astrology, and social evolution but finding people to have intelligent or meaningful discussions is very difficult 4 sure. I think my problem (as an agnostic and politically independent) is that I try to look at everything objectively with an open mind and most people are so extreme in their points of view. If you don't agree 100% with their world view then they just crumble like a cookie. I agree with some things from the far right and some things from the far left but generally I reject the extremists position. Currently I have been studying the Zoroastrian influence on 2nd temple Judaism. If you have any interesting insights on this please feel free to hit me up ✌

@RubelliteFae

3 ай бұрын

@@ObjectiveEthics I think the issue is people looking at conversation as a competition. Just because I'm passionate, doesn't mean I'm attacking the person. Just challenging an idea (which I enjoy doing even for ideas I agree with to get fresh perspectives on it). But also, a lot of people act as though thinking is hard work instead of entertainment. 🤷‍♀ As for Zoroastrianism & Judaism, I don't recall anything very specific beyond the basics you probably already know. I would say though tracing back the Indic & Iranian split in worldview, philosophy, religion, etc is very fascinating. But you get a much better understanding when you look into the linguistics & etymologies. On another note, something I suspect, but have never seen published, is that I think there's something key that has yet to be uncovered about the Mitanni and one or more of the Caucasian peoples with regards to PIE influence on Levantine thought. With how many missing pieces there are it's a fascinating puzzle.

It is not pronounced "The Golden Bow", as in a bow and arrow, it's "Bough" as in a tree bough. Think of the nursery rhyme, "Rock-a-by Baby", specifically the line, "when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall". The distinction is important.

@dodgek5270

3 ай бұрын

This just proves every religion is man-made.

@RubelliteFae

3 ай бұрын

Research YT channels like this (e.g., Crecganford) often get pronunciations wrong. IMO, the more you get into prehistory, the more important a good understanding of linguistics is. Also, when you go back far enough you realize how important words and their proper pronunciation were considered *by the discussed cultures.* They have a magic of their own that's often ignored in modern scholarship. (A name is one's fame, their immortality. And to know a word is to have power over the thing: to begin to understand it and how to harness it for one's own purposes. Casting "spells" and understanding "spelling" is not coincidental word play.) I hope such channels see comments like this as useful help instead of spiteful critique.

@andrewprahst2529

3 ай бұрын

Oh thanks man. I looked into this a month ago, and I read it along with him pronounced like "bow and arrow" and I thought I had it wrong

@theangel666100

3 ай бұрын

Those words are completely the same to me. Sounds the same in rock-a-bye Baby.

@realityisenough

3 ай бұрын

Bow and Bough literally sound identical. What weird as heck regional accent do you have where they sound different in any way

If there was a main takeaway from any of this, it's that anyone is religious about something

@longschlongsilver7628

3 ай бұрын

everyone*

19:08 Instead of capitalism, maybe the inclusion of Classical Liberalism would be a better comparison. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology. However, Communism has other aims for society going beyond economics, such as state, religion, etc. which capitalism is mostly silent about that. (Classical) Liberalism is the mostly polar opposite of Communism in those areas.

@ChrisCorwin

3 ай бұрын

Came here to say this very thing.

@Aerostarm

3 ай бұрын

I agree

@michaeltsui3435

3 ай бұрын

Bolshevism would be a more correct term

@shuliarenko

3 ай бұрын

Moreover - actual, practical communism/socialism in a "socialist" states has/had a number of features, usually seen in a religion. Studying and citing sacred texts (writings of Marx, Lenin, Mao, Kim, etc.), that are thought to be infallible and treated in dogmatic fashion (that's why there are different "heretics" and communist parties in some regions, where "state communism" is not enforced, tend to split and form small "sects"); relics of "saints" (founders of states and leaders) worshiped at the special shrines (mausoleums), and their standardized images used in a iconic fashion; there are special rituals, both occasional (for example in USSR there was a "solemn naming" of a baby ritual, called by people "starring" as an analogy of christening) and regular (party/comsomol meetings with it's regular ritualized practices). So it's much more looks like a religion in a reality, than just a political ideology.

@raymondhartmeijer9300

3 ай бұрын

Communism is equally an economic model and an ideal, it's just that we are currently in a Capitalist system, so it feels like enormousy ideological and political, bc it is a proposed future arrangement that Communists would want to see implemented. But at the core it's economics too. Capitalism can also be viewed as an ideology, bc it is founded on certain principles that are not neutral. The right to private property, gaining surplus value out of a particular boss-worker-relationship, these are not universal truths, but arise from the system itself. It's just that we are used to it so we don't treat it as such. It's hard to seperate the ideal with the economic model, it doesn't work that way. I wouldn't say the Cult of Personalities that arose in certain Socialist nations are religious per se, these can be explained by a (then) new state that strived for unity and a new identity, that is not unique for Socialism. Also there are no "sacred texts", bc Marxism (the most important framework in Socialism) is actually viewed as a Social science. A science, that can, and must, be build upon and corrected with new insights. That's what any science does. The appearence on that old chart is just an Anti-Communist sign of the times which is pretty funny looking at it today

I'd love it if you made an updated version of these as they are really pretty and really well designed.

@derekpegram3405

Ай бұрын

This comment needs to be higher. Same!

19:08 - don't know if "marxism" is a religion by the "western culture point of view", but living in the post soviet country, I saw a lot of religious fanatics, supporting marxism as panacea, ultimate model of the society, best way to live and thrive and so on. You don't find often such "prozilitious" people as homo-sovietikus-dalbaiobikus between any "proper religion"

@V01DIORE

Ай бұрын

It's an extreme ideology, philosophy, a kind of memetic infection though not religious itself sharing dispositions for spread. Ultra-nationalistic jingoism is not purely communist. Personalities cults which spawn more often as a result of communistic thought are however what could be considered religious followings.

@Neomalthusiano

14 күн бұрын

If you ever come to Latin America you will find out there even though there were few marxist regimes there, there are throngs of fanatical zealots fighting for Trotskyism, which differ from traditional Marxism (Marxism-Leninism) because it's basically WOKE socialism.

I wouldn't mind seeing an attempt to revise and update these histomaps you have called our attention to. I wonder if there is a graphic designer out there who you could collaborate with.

@furlizard

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, that would be awesome

charts are so awesome you're doing great work

@HolloMatlala1

2 ай бұрын

And Maps too

Great content, as always

Hey Matt! i hope you have been feeling better. This is such an incredible flow design. it seems so intuitive but very comprehensive

12:50 Sometimes I under appreciate the work you do behind closed doors to help me understand Religion and Spirituality while still Respecting God. Everything has a beginning

It would be cool if you could make a video about zoroastrianism

Mr. Baker I really love and appreciate your work!

Hi there, Matt. Can you please make a video on the Cambodian royal family tree. Thank you very much.

There's one thing that came to my mind after reading David Abram's The Spell of the Sensuous: Perception and Language in a More-Than-Human World. Religions began having human shaped deities as their priests began writing. Before that, deities had shapes taken from Nature, even in old Ancient Israelite Religion (the burning bush). But once priests begin writing, deities turn human shaped. Greek religion and Judaism are the best examples. Before wrtiting, Zeus wasn't protrayed as human shaped; same happens with YHWH. The Egyptian case is specially interesting, because it's like a middle ground, and how does that relate to writing? Well, completely human shaped deities are charasteristic of abstract alphabets, like the Hebrew and Greek ones. Pictographs like the Egyptian give rise to a mix of human and animal charasteristics in the deities shapes. Oral traditions have complete natural deities. What is the relationship between the shape and type of the deities and writing, then? Well, with writing, the idea that communication is a human trait is easier to adopt. But if you write with pictographs of natural shapes, forgetting that Nature also communicates is harder, since quite literally, when reading, you are hearing a voice in your head while looking at a natural element, as if the voice came from it. Thus, the Egyptians kept having gods with animal traits. But not the Jews, Greeks or Romans. Communication was always understood as a sign of intelligence and, thus, power; for that reason it was ultimately projected to deities. Once people think that Nature doesn't communicate (as deities do), then comes the thought that nature is not sacred, even stupid, can be exploited and finally destroyed. Is it a coincidence that the Industrial Revolution began in one of the most literate places of the world at its time, the United Kingdom? Is it a coincidence that when people began to massively see animals clearly communicating, watching animal documentaries on TV and then spectacular feats of pets communication here in KZread, people actually began to treat animals differently than earlier in the XX century (specially cats)?

@Kumimon

3 ай бұрын

underrated comment.

@HolloMatlala1

2 ай бұрын

School of thought....y thoughts exactly the internal but external drivers and influences of changes and human reasoning

Very interesting - also helpful to get an overview of shifts in academic thinking

Would love to see an entire chart focused on Arab, Muslim & Middle Eastern family trees and dynasties, I saw one on the subreddit and it was great, I hope to see a more in depth yet broader one.

@UsefulCharts

3 ай бұрын

Al Muqadimmah was supposed to make one for me. You should go over to his channel and remind him!

@jamalo4177

2 ай бұрын

@@UsefulCharts Okey Dokey!

hello Matt, happy to see you back. Hope you had recovered well.

FIRST; Excellent video and keep up the good work. Secondly; At the rate of Discovery, or rate of increase in knowledge it must be very hard to make charts that don't become irrelevant in a very short time. Good luck!

I'm interested in when the Bronze Age Collapse occurred in relation to this chart.

@UsefulCharts

3 ай бұрын

Basically, exactly where he includes Moses.

@ettinakitten5047

3 ай бұрын

@@UsefulCharts Did he link the Exodus to the Bronze Age collapse? I know there's been debate about whether the Exodus story is referring to events during that time period.

@UsefulCharts

3 ай бұрын

I don't think Sparks knew about the link but nowadays most historians do point to a link. I'll be talking a lot about the Bronze Age Collapse in the next video.

That's why I love this channel so much. ❤

As someone fascinated by history and religion, I find this channel incredibly enriching. Keep the videos coming!

This is absolutely fascinating! Spark’s map is an early triumph of metadata. Only when we see the entire continuum in full do we realise each belief system’s role in it. Religions aren’t “received wisdom” as we’re led to believe, let alone the final word of any god, but mostly appropriated from earlier beliefs systems, and an evolving prospect ... like all life in the universe. Wonderful post - appreciate your scholarship.

Thank you so much! I love your work!

I'm curious what people will say about Useful Charts 100 years from now. I wonder what current ideologies we hold will be considered taboo to future peoples.

@HolloMatlala1

2 ай бұрын

The cultural importance is so significant as we entering an age of Ignorance and short attention spans

@_martian101

Ай бұрын

future people would be much more less biased and more open minded, they'd be much more respectful as well, this is always a pattern as the world advancing the standard of morality are also increasing, people are more and more tolerant to other groups than before, this would lead to much more diverse and more complex society eventually, diverse but also homogenous as globalisation today to classic europeans.

@rizkyadiyanto7922

28 күн бұрын

wokism vs trumpism

Those charts are great. We need updated ones to replace old biases and prejudices with modern biases and prejudices.

@joecasci8451

3 ай бұрын

Amazing comment

Really great video and information. Thanks Matt!

Awesome. As always.

Excellent information, thank u for taking the Time to.make this video

That chart would really tie the room together.

Matt, I look forward to seeing your new chart ...

you should make a map / chart related to natural sciences, like who did what first, when was Newtonian physics published, calculus, quontem mechanics and etc.

Thanks for the video

This is the best brief summary of these ideas that I have come across all in one place. Though I learned most of this info 2 decades ago, I only learned about the Midianite-Shasu-Kenite-Canaanite-Hebrew information earlier this month. So, it's really nice that these days people can get a summary of 20 years of study all in one place. Source: I have a degree in anthropology w/ archaeology emphasis. Also heavily studied semiotics, Asian culture, philosophy, & religions (though some of that collegiately and some of it on my own). P.S. If you want more info on East Asian religion hit me up. It's not quite right to call Confucianism or Taoism a "religion" in the sense that Westerners use the term, but that could be said of Vedic-based ideas as well as things like Platonism, etc. Even emically we can divide what we call Taoism into Taoist philosophy & Taoist "religion," but not so with Confucianism (which does advocate for keeping up much older religion-like practices, but didn't innovate any). I actually took an Asian Philosophy course and an Asian Religions course at two different schools and they were >75% the same info, even sharing many of the same course texts. Since (IMO) these are taught outside of the discipline of anthropology, they still haven't left behind old Western thought biases. China's Hundred Schools of Thought era is a fascinating area of study during the Axial Age, tho. I think a deep dive video into a complete and (modernly) accurate chart such as this (perhaps containing both religion & philosophy as the dividing line isn't simple) would be amazing and would love to share what I've learned in order to assist in the creation of such a chart/video.

True and honest work here, congratulations.

Awesome, we had that Histomap posted at the office of our game company while working on Rise of Nations (an RTS game like Age of Empires that's about civilizations throughout history). Didn't know there were more!

As a Vancouverite I was surprised and elated to see the sacred symbol and devout followers of the local religion shown on your video at around the 6:25 mark.

Please consider a discussion of a famous histomap, Minard's 1869 "‘Losses from the Russian Campaign," which graphics theorist and educator Edward Tofte has called "the best statistical graph ever drawn."

I don't know why, but when I was a Mormon missionary in southern California, someone had this chart up in one of our Apartments. No one knew who put it up or how it got there, but it was a fun read.

Matt, your videos are well researched and thorough. Your commentary effuses knowledge and enthusiasm for your chosen topics. Please keep on with your colorful and in depth reviews and creations that help bring better understanding of and joy in learning history. And fuck all the trolls.

Anything that illustrates the vastness of time and space or the untold billions of people that came before us, clearly undermines a belief that we are special.

Ooooh, i really like these Charts, trippy crazy colours, and broad strokes.

woww, what a work on you, 👍👍👍👍👍

Very interesting to look at these 'old' charts and how things were seen in these times. You get a much clearer understanding of religion and people's connections when you have an understanding of their history and how things developed. That makes history so important! I even got a 'better?' understanding of our christian religion and how it developed among the others. If you look at the topic from a birds-eye-view the 'magic' aspect of religion gets smaller and you probably get a more 'realistic' or more comprehensive view.

Thanks for the update and ethical viewpoint

The more complex design charts the better looking and more interesting they look

Love the video. Never gets boring watching your content. God bless🙏

It's really humbling to know that humans are capable of this even without the internet

@milansvancara

Ай бұрын

On the other hand seeing that even now people believe this BS has the very opposite effect

@thesharinganx5847

29 күн бұрын

@@milansvancara Calling all religion BS is a pretty close-minded approach, considering how big of a role it played and still plays in organising society and culture across the world. And no most conflict around the world has nothing to do with religion if that's what you're referring to.

@milansvancara

28 күн бұрын

​@@thesharinganx5847 For example alcohol had much greater effect on humanity, yet it is an objectively correct thing to say that alcoholics are doing objectively stupid thing drinking it. Ironicaly enough it also makes people stupid, just like religion... So no, its' impact on humanity doesn't justify being a believer today, and doesn't make it any less stupid... Countless sacrifices of people and animals, banning and censoring knowledge, torturing and executing people for having a different opinions, countless wars waged for fairy tales, yet you call me ignorant for shunning that behaviour, lul

Just wanted to point out the Osiris was the resurrected god, while Horus was his son that was conceived before his return to the underworld.

I look forward to your upcoming religion chart! Has anyone done a decent update on the history chart?

(Also - despite habitually leaving flippant comments, I really do appreciate these videos; they're great work, informative, entertaining, I enjoy watching them, and the intent behind the 'Yes, but-' type commnents is only ever to try and contribute more interesting information to what is already here. Whether or not that intent succeeds, I have no idea, and I apologise if it's just a load of junk data.)

What a great artwork to hang on the wall! This should be auction starting at $45m

I’d love to see you look through that histomap. I’m sure it’s outdated but I love to see more about it

I've taken a closer look at the Histomap. Japanese Shinto is classified as state worship coming from tribal religion and devine kings. This is not entirely wrong, but I think it would fit better within the Nature Worship, since most Kami (gods/spirits) are more nature spirits, like mountain "gods", the "gods" of wind and thunder or the sun godess. It can be considered a tribal religion, because it makes no effort of converting other people to it, so almost all shinto believers are ethnic japanese, and the connection to divine kings is also not wrong. The Tenno (emperor) is not seen as devine by himself, but his bloodline is divine stemming from Amaterasu, the sun godess. But I would not consider Shinto a form of state worship and all things considered, I think it still fits better within nature religions.

@thhseeking

3 ай бұрын

Shinto was co-opted by the Japanese government and became "state Shinto". I think "Religion for Breakfast" covered it, or "Let's Talk Religion". Maybe both. That ended after the Second World War. The Japanese are rather pragmatic...they perform Shinto rituals but can also perform Buddhist ones, and marry in Christian churches. Seems better than some who want to beat you over the head to convert.

@matejmoravek4580

3 ай бұрын

not an expert but I think its helpful to split to folkish shinto (which is clearly nature worship) from the State Shinto after Meiji Restoration which is still the same shinto but in practice it is state worshish (but also partly nature worship as the divine right of the emperor comes from the fact the he is the Son of Sun)

@thhseeking

3 ай бұрын

@@matejmoravek4580 My understanding is that State Shinto disappeared after the Second World War and the occupation by the United States.

@matejmoravek4580

3 ай бұрын

@@thhseeking yeah that's a good point; but not totally as there are still lots of people shouting banzai all over but the emperor has denounced his godhood

@StAngerNo1

3 ай бұрын

@@matejmoravek4580 Maybe you are right, I don't know much about shinto during the japanese empire, but I know a bit about shinto today, and for todays shinto nature worship definitely fits better.

It is very astonishing to realize how close minded early European/western scholars were, to think of Indian as primitive people , when most of the sciences and math are based on old “primitive Indian scholars

I love this "Matt Bakerrrr"

Two things I want to mention about Zoroastrianism. The whole “dualism” thing is a much later invention. The original dualism was between two spirits in reality that emerged out of creation, but Ahura Mazda had no direct opposing god. Spenta Mainyu was the dual opponent of Angra Mainyu. Calling Angra Mainyu a god would have been seen as heretical in every stage of Zoroastrianism. And the Zurvanites who did this were original seen as heretical before gaining political power. It did have later deities added in called Yazatas that are creation of Mazda to help it manage existence and fight against Druj, the lie, as well as Angra Mainyu, the evil spirit/potentiality. An even bigger point is that Zarathushtra did not live in the Persian empire, he lived many centuries before, sometime between 2000 and 1000 bc. We know this because we have a set of poems composed by him called the Gathas, and they are contemporaneous with the RgVeda. Herodotus also described the Persian religion as similar to Zoroastrianism, and said this was carried in since ancient times.

Definitely remember seeing this chart I think that are learning center which is where you turned in the homeschooling assignments. Yeah definitely biased. Although it was oddly my mom that pointed that out that Sparks was putting his biases on it Nowadays she'd never admit it

I'm sure everyone will be Peaceful and Co-operative in the comments and no one will try to diss any religion. Right?

@imperator9343

3 ай бұрын

Gosh you're so cool and enlightened and obviously way better than all those other people (?) how do you make such insightful observations

@thechosenone5644

3 ай бұрын

Mostly. Usefulcharts comments sections are pretty chill

@lucavwholaugh5023

3 ай бұрын

right? 😂

@jvgreendarmok

3 ай бұрын

(Always Sunny title card)

@MrKnowledge0014

3 ай бұрын

I personally think religion is mostly stupid but I do like learning about it.

Interesting thing about Dyaus-Pitar; while Zeus and Jupiter were the "King gods", Tyr was not, that honour of course belonging to Odin. Or am I basing this on a Scandinavian perspective, while in other locations Tyr was indeed the top-god?

Awesome video! Can you make a histomap of religion showing state-of-the-art knowledge about the topic?

So looking forward to your version of this map!!!🎉. Please consider spelling magic as “magick” as it distinguishes it from slight of hand type magic. So excited ❤❤❤❤❤

A well-intentioned friend who knows how I love maps and charts and biology and history, accidentally got me the evolution map for Christmas. Let’s just say, upon closer inspection, the friend returned the map for another gift 😂. While an interesting piece and view into 19th/early 20th century views, I didn’t particularly feel the need to own it myself. Great video!

I agreed on the fact that these older charts tended to exhibit the understanding of the period, and these errors, intentionally or unintentionally, should be rigorously revised, examined, and to be looked onto, under an objective manner. But on whether communism is a religion, serving a religion-like purpose, most likely depended on a believer, or what a believer thinks about the ultimate cause of communism. To a non-believer, communism can be seen as scientific-discovery-driven optimism, utopianism, and heavily romanticized, often establishing a cult-of-personality around key communist leaders and figures. Often these revered and celebrated figures were then preserved after death, out-of-respect and for the masses to witness the heroic, emotional experiences when visiting the respected mausoleum, while figures who was label troublesome in their latter life doesn't, and were purged. Examples are Lenin's Mausoleum and the Mausoleum of Mao Zedong. This exact phenomena, were further developed into the so-called "red tourism", where believers toured through historically-significant places and avenues, often in a governmentally-sponsored program or by the personal choice of the individual. In essence, the "Disneyfication" of historically-significant places and figures, enabling a communist counterpart of religious pilgrimage. The village of Liangjiahe in Yan'an of Shaanxi Province, along with the rest of Yan'an received thousands of domestic tourists in a year, and is the place where the current secretary Xi Jinping was sent to the countryside under the "Down to the Countryside Labor Movement" during Mao's era. Not to mention, the various merchandises of Mao himself, were and still are sold as gifts, presents and other memorabilia, and popular songs in different genres were made on Mao too (Somewhat similarity to Christian music). Communism, thus is a "secular religion", a para-religious belief, often with political and ideological connotation as a basis, deals in not the heavenly divine, nor the holy, but the earthly-spirit of the belief in the ultimate cause of the revolution. Excessive belief in Christian nationalism or the American exceptionalism is also along the same lane. The term "civic religion" is also a related term. So while I agreed upon that is it questionable that the chart specifically singles out on other politically, or ideologically driven para-religious beliefs, and choose to cover communism itself, whether intentionally or unintentionally, the remark shouldn't undermine the often intrinsically political, para-religious tone the cause of communism has. Something that capitalism doesn't have, at least to a comparable degree. After all, depending on who you ask, some will pointed out that, communism has led many more to their demise than what their cause originally promised for. Ironically, communism has a long history of doubting traditionally mainstream religions in of itself, the belief in the heavenly is too bourgeois for the proletariat I guess. This also led the masses to "seek and convert" to communism for faith, as the state-wide restriction on religion created a vacuum for the need of faith in an already economically harsh environment.

@miguelatkinson

3 ай бұрын

You are aware that there where communist who are religious and also non-believers who are not in support of communism either right

Awesome content bro

Love it. Great job. It's important for people to realize that through time, standards change...perspectives change...new information often refutes earlier established knowledge that at the time, may have been considered irrefutable. For example, my father was a history major in college in the early 1970's and would become a high school history and social studies teacher. He acquired a book series titled "Six Thousand Years of History", made up of 10 equal length volumes, the first of which covered "ancient and medieval" history. This series was published in 1899 by E.R. DuMont (New York-Chicago-St. Louis). The books are a fascinating take on how late 19th century historians viewed human history...but they were very much skewed by Euro-centric prejudices of that time. They basically spell out in the text that Caucasian history is the only history that really matters. The books mention only in the slightest context the civilizations or cultures of sub-Saharan Africa, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders/Oceania, and largely dismiss Eastern Asian civilizations...well, they recognize a few early civilizations, but debate whether they developed independently or through some pre-historical connection to the West. It lumps the Middle-Eastern civilizations, Indian civilizations, Greek and Roman European civilizations as well as the rise of Judaism, Christianity and Islam as being interconnected, and goes into quite a bit of race theory regarding Aryans. My guess is, it was works like this that were later referenced by Hitler and his ilk, though there isn't anything in the books that I have come across that are grotesquely racist, more that they are just dismissive of other ethnicities and non-Western civilizations. The point is, this was probably a scholastic collection at the time, that was used in classrooms, and was seen as correct and accurate thinking...but by today's standards, well over 100 years later, as being tragically out of date and full of biases, prejudices and assumptions not based on facts.

Are there modern versions of these three Histomaps? I like the layout design and use of colours. What needs refreshing are the facts and conclusions, plus the inclusion of missing segments.

@FriedFreezer

2 ай бұрын

I would put an updated version on my wall so fast

Just got my Timeline of the Bible book. It's amazing so far!

I saw this thumbnail and went like "yep, this lad never gets bored of it"

Could these be updated?

If you would review the original histogram Minard's Histogram of the Invasion of Russia by Napoleon that would be pretty cool.

Thank goodness we had Jared Diamond to show us the way.

I bought your book Matt. Turns out a lot of world history was empty space.

@UsefulCharts

3 ай бұрын

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@marksandsmith6778

3 ай бұрын

@@UsefulCharts Lots of white space on the charts and blank on reverse.

The original Histomap looks like "just a dollar" to us, but that was worth about $20 back then.

Ah, exactly what I was expecting when you mentioned the age of the chart. A grave error by Sparks in putting Sikhi as a part of the Hinduism line - should've been made a split between at least the Hindu Bhakti movements and Sufi Islam, small part of Zoroastrianism (arguable; 3 pillars) & Jainism (rejection of Hindu Scriptures).

My grandmother has a copy of the main histomap by John Sparks hanging in her bedroom. It’s very cool.

Great video. Looking forward to your chart. It would be nice to pair with someone more specialized in south and east Asian religions, to get a more. Complete picture in this new chart.

Have you ever heard of J.G.R. Forlong's "Rivers of Life" chart that was published with his multi-volume books of the same name? Similar to the Histomap of Religion both in orientation/design and overall scope (charting the faiths, deities, and various forms of worship from 10,000 BCE to the present) while also being a bit outdated and biased. I've yet to find a high quality copy/scan of the original but there are PDFs online that have traced the streams and used OCR to make it scalable. Cheers!

@UsefulCharts

3 ай бұрын

Just downloaded the PDF. Will enjoy going through it.

Meanwhile all of them be like "My religion is the only true and right one evidently"

22:10 it's also your duty to correct mistakes from contemporary competitors as well

Thank you.

Very, very cool. Thanks!

Wonder if there's a newer or better version of these histomap.

It'd be nice if Matt did an expanded version of the Ethiopian Royalty Family Tree (Zagwe + Solomonic) and went over the history more extensively.

Beautiful 🤌🤌🤌

This reminds me of the equally outdated, but equally interesting to look at, chart of religions according to James Forlong's book Rivers of Life. It's in the Wikipedia article about James Forlong. But rather than putting all modern religions under Nature Worship, he would probably classify them all as Fertility Cults!

Looks like a colorful picture

I am not gonna lie, the animism in Hinduism is very alive and I think it is a good thing, it shows that the things that you use, that surround you are more powerful than you. And it's is not a very human centric view like other religions. There is literally a festival vishvakarma where people worship their tools related to the work... Which includes the classical tools like hammers and modern tools like cars and their engines, truck.

Not first… I love your videos by the way!

I'm very interested in your chart on religion. I hope it's more about the schism's and devisions in various religions. I know about the Great Schism of 1054, the Protestant Reformation, and a few of the early Christian schisms but i have no clue about how the Protestant church got so... messy, with all their subdenominations. It would also be interesting to learn about the Sunni/Shia divide and possibly more about non Abrahamic religions and their denominations. I really hope that's what you would be covering in the chart

@UsefulCharts

3 ай бұрын

The Christianity part of the chart has already been done. You can find all the videos on it here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqVqqLelkdyTfZs.html The Protestant part starts around 47 minutes.

Very interesting. Thank you.