He : talking Them : reading Enough said.

@paulcolburn3855

4 жыл бұрын

That is basically it. If "they" weren't reading, "they" wouldn't know what to say. He listened and responded. They just lectured. They didn't listen to a word he said. That was not a debate.

@jeffberridge176

3 жыл бұрын

It’s hard to remember what you have to say when it’s a lie, and you don’t believe it.

When i heard "trans two-spirit gender diversity taskforce" i literaly burst out laughing. It sounds like a south park joke.

@ryanstern7125

6 жыл бұрын

pavonis - Lol that does sound like some south park shit. Although the most frequent episodes seem to play into the recent liberal propaganda it's hard to pinpoint so I'm open minded and aware that there has been a lot of ebb and flow over the years. I can withhold any hard feelings based on the fact that you can't judge a show of this ongoing magnitude based on such a short window and the level of under meaning they sometimes fall upon. I just hope they haven't been pressured to "cave" in light of the overbearing weight of going against the grain.

@ryanstern7125

6 жыл бұрын

I apologize for the lengthy reply (I've had a few whiskey drinks).

@williamcanatsey

6 жыл бұрын

pavonis and she acted like that gave her some clout! LOL That board must be a sight to see. And they have a 7 member charter.

@Variety_Pack

6 жыл бұрын

I believe all of this is actually a huge, elaborate hoax that Parker and Stone have constructed and they'll reveal it in a few years. I think every SJW interviewed ever is a plant by the hoaxers.

@marissasf7196

6 жыл бұрын

Variety_Pack 😂😂😂😂

You can tell Peterson is the smartest person in the room because he's not trying hard to sound smart

@giampaolomannucci8281

6 жыл бұрын

... and, he is not reading a script.

@noelenemusumeci9581

5 жыл бұрын

and he's got his house in order, the three ladies are in caos

@seyfunega2018

3 жыл бұрын

Yup they was hella extra Wc made em less articulate n efficient

@mynamemylastname7179

3 жыл бұрын

You can tell Peterson is the smartest because he is talking the others are blithering idiots

@Aviator7477

2 жыл бұрын

And also not call themselves "expert".

A terrifying look at postmodernism.

@nathanbruce1992

6 жыл бұрын

Sam Mousa: I’ve gone to 3 colleges and haven’t seen this at all. It’s a big boogeyman and people are making bank exploiting that fear

@adisjamak5825

6 жыл бұрын

Nathan Bruce It's dangerous to downplay this, leftists have an appetite for spreading hate vs spreading love and they use any discussion to do so.

The fact that this is a debate, it's terrifying! Im Cuban, and have some knowledge of this type of talk, preaching EQUALITY while trying to crush and completely ignore the opposing structure. Its chaos in the making. My hat goes off to Mr. Peterson.

@vichedges7907

6 жыл бұрын

Sadly in Canada, most people don't even want to know what it's really like in Cuba. It is just a relatively cheap tropical vacation, so it's best not to know and spend your 2 weeks on the beach feeling guilty. Our current Prime Minister sure was a fan of Castro based upon his comments following Fidel's death. I find it all both embarrassing and dangerous.

@Adeus555

4 жыл бұрын

Well it only makes sense when this country is being ran by Castro's bastard son.

@CarlosGarcia-cp2lc

3 жыл бұрын

I'm Cuban too. There's enough crap going on here in the USA without having to point my finger at any other nation on earth.

@khakissargoccio

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarlosGarcia-cp2lc it's not finger pointing, it's a sad observation that the once progressive western society is going in the direction of a failed state like Cuba. Pointing out an obvious fact is not an attack of any people. Don't be so psychotically fragile minded.

@jtlachappelle

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

I love how they're reading off a script, and Peterson is just ripping through the debate like it's second nature.

@elmango705

2 жыл бұрын

yeah he‘s incredible, i guess that‘s what years of speaking publicly does to you🔥

@jonnaking3054

Жыл бұрын

Cuz he literally has no life outside of being scared that he might no longer be allowed to misgender and harass trans people in the workplace

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." ~ Ayn Rand

@jbobfloggard2087

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly, don't deny my right to use my free speech.

@kaptainkafir6231

6 жыл бұрын

pretty sure ayn meant the right to be an individual, which is denied in totalitarian regimes. not the right of the individual to make outrages demands based on individual preference.

@darinpearson2554

6 жыл бұрын

Rick Lane thank you for sharing that comment and, thus demonstrating that sarcastic comments are an ineffective form of argument. We haven’t dismissed the contributions of Galileo to science because some of his work has been proven wrong or imperfect. Neither should we dismiss the philosophical work of Ayn Rand due to the imperfections and over-dramatization of some of her work. Over the last 100 years, we have seen all the evidence we need to see that the core of her philosophy and beliefs are solid. It’s sad to think of all the lives that have been lost, and continue to be sacrificed to Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism and Communism.

@MeowingWhale

6 жыл бұрын

SeventhSon333 Good quote, but I'm not the biggest fan of Rand

@sharonmyk1

6 жыл бұрын

outrages demands by whos standard? This is the problem. your standard of outrageous demand may not be the same as mine.

"The trans, two-spirit and gender diversity task force." Sounds like the gayest cop show imaginable.

@Saskidan

6 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHHAHA

@bbbo85

4 жыл бұрын

And she works at UBC God save me

@renebdoucette1953

2 жыл бұрын

That's not gay.... That's something far worse... (Obi-Wan Kenobi Voice)

@allenduncan7365

2 жыл бұрын

...that made me smile... ...and l am only a privilaged white male sexist straight target today...

@johnforeman634

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it’s true. They ride around in a rainbow coloured van looking for infringements on personal pronoun usage.

Jordan B Peterson is one of my personal heroes.

@kronoscamron7412

6 жыл бұрын

Same

@Septix

6 жыл бұрын

Alan Watts and him truly turned my life around give him a try too ;)

@adisjamak5825

6 жыл бұрын

Get better heroes. Who does Jordan read? C'mon.

@anttitheinternetguy3213

5 жыл бұрын

Adis Jamak is there any other heroes in modern society of ours? Fame, actions and politics expire and will be forgotten, but the knowledge of humanity and inner works of human mind is forever and a gateway to TRUE enlightment (mainly acceptance of EVERYone, accepting own and humanitys flaws and weaknesses, accepting and giving critcism even from the opposing side, and many others)

@boclark3766

5 жыл бұрын

I just started listening to him I just found him on the internet He's My Hero 2

"we have a bi-modal distribution with a tiny number of exceptions... and that, by the way, IS NOT A SPECTRUM" FATALITY

@tupera1

7 жыл бұрын

Absolutely...when a baby comes out of the womb you see a girl or a boy...THAT'S IT!!! It's only when you get exposed to cancerous ideals that people think there is anything else.

@Erbunninja

7 жыл бұрын

He explicitly states that they're not mutually exclusive. But at some point you have to make a determination. That's how science works. 98% is a pretty high correlation.

@cbrend22

7 жыл бұрын

Sonya Trejo it's not simply bimodal, it's binary, with a few aberrations. There are not two modes of distribution, rather two values into which over 98% of all data points fall. He didn't articulate perfectly, but his point is still as valid.

@Oners82

7 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Spradlin "He explicitly states that they're not mutually exclusive." No he doesn't.

@maynardcast

7 жыл бұрын

You can have a bi-modal distribution over a spectrum. He's absurd for making these mutually exclusive. You have evidence of this when concerned with sex or are you just talking out of your ass to sell your bullshit?

38:07 “You bloody well don’t get to demand my respect, why should you?” Best line in the video!

21:00 That lesbian is not actually putting forth any arguments against what Dr. Peterson is saying; she is merely smearing him and comparing him to "bad people." That's not an argument.

@BauerBeauty

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@LolIGuess123

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Its all quotes and scoldings and wagging fingers.

@JackieFrankieful

3 жыл бұрын

she has no argument.

A witch hunt except it was the witches who were doing the hunting. Peterson was great. It took 3 of the witches and even then they could not bring him down. His intellect surpassed all three of them!

@abdurog1122a

7 жыл бұрын

Robert Promm couldn't *

@thegreatjuks3834

7 жыл бұрын

Abdulrahman Alhomayany | You do realize that couldn't is a contraction of could not and that contractions aren't obrigatory in the English grammar, right?

@abdurog1122a

7 жыл бұрын

He edited it to say 'could not' it used to say 'could', check the comment's date. Also it's 'obligatory,' and l is nowhere near r so it's either you don't know how to spell it or you use a Dvorak keyboard, correct?

@thegreatjuks3834

7 жыл бұрын

1- Forgive me for not noticing that his comment was edited. 2- My keyboard is of the usual model, I just had a brain fart. It happens when English is one's second language, and I also don't have that tight of a grasp on adverbs yet. Again, my apologies.

@laughinghyena264

7 жыл бұрын

OOO fuck off or on whatever you prefer XD

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." ~Friedrich Nietzsche

@martinburrows6844

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent quote

@minzblatt

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Now I have to read his works over again!

It's painfull to listen to that short haired one.

@giampaolomannucci8281

6 жыл бұрын

I refuse to listen to anyone reading a script

@sheynj1

6 жыл бұрын

The brittle, shrillness of that voice. Punishment in and of itself.

@davisbindejazz

6 жыл бұрын

I don't even listen.. I just skip to Peterson.

@Archades6969

5 жыл бұрын

Very painful. Like angry fingernails on a chalkboard. Pretending to be someone other than they are tends to make people angry.

@chrisbbbbchris1

5 жыл бұрын

@@davisbindejazz same lol

If I identify as Napoleon Bonaparte, can I expect everyone to refer to me as "Your Excellency?" I hope so. And I hope you all do as well.

@Frohicky1

6 жыл бұрын

Ockham's RAZR Of course, Your Excellency

@taffwob

6 жыл бұрын

A bit of advice, do not march on Moscow.

@AfricanLionBat

6 жыл бұрын

Your excellency, I refuse to use your pronouns!

@Zeburaman2005

6 жыл бұрын

Would you mind entering this padded cell, Your Excellency?

@ThatOneGuyRichie

6 жыл бұрын

I identify as Alien. 👽

Wow it's amazing how different our human personalities are. Because the blonde women who is talking second sounds absolutely insane to me.

@MarkJones-gt2qd

7 жыл бұрын

I can't deny I stereotyped her based on her appearance. She did nothing to deviate from that stereotype at all. Using "science" on subjective ideas, subjectively. (Apparently "Science" must denounce stuff. She said so several times)

@potterj09

7 жыл бұрын

Cody Evans Don't worry, i'm still wondering how Vanilla Ice got tenure ...

@robgoren8628

7 жыл бұрын

Cody Evans Isn't it amazing how their lifestyle determines their hairstyle? LOL. Does she go to First Choice Haircutters and ask for the Lesbo Special?

@sirchip7070

7 жыл бұрын

Drum n Bass Fella 81 Next stop would be going to court for web-based misuse of personal pronouns. Fucking terrifying

@peterpwn9558

6 жыл бұрын

She's the kid on the playground who wants to join your game just to shit on your rules and destroy your sandcastle. And when you kick her out again she'll run to mommy and cry until the adults tell you you have to let her play with you. Self centered, spoiled and filled with resentment.

I can't even understand what the short haired lady is saying because she's trying to cushion every sentence with as much complex terminology as possible to make her arguments seem more credible. All I got out of her ramblings were even doubting her stance and voicing your dissagrerments should be considered hate speech.

@johannesbuchner3902

7 жыл бұрын

Meaningless word salad. I dont think anybody could sum that drivel up

@lurchpanda

7 жыл бұрын

I just paused the video to see if anyone else was thinking that. That's one of the things i really appreciate about Peterson. He can take big ideas and scale them down to a claim that a 5th grader could understand. Or he can take a children's book message and turn it into a discussion for a college class.

@ramses7309

6 жыл бұрын

Lucas Elliott I wrote down something she said as a response to the Scandinavian real world experiment of flattening the gender socioeconomic curve that Peterson mentioned: we cannot say that the real-world case of Scandinavia is legitimate because "...we weren't able to do studies that manipulate the chromosomal and hormonal environment." See I don't usually stop and write shit down from KZread videos, but I had to write this down to make sure I heard this right. What this extreme PC propagandist literally wants (or their endgame) is to be able to genetically modify chromosomes and hormones that make men men and women women. First of all, I thought there was no "biological differences" in sex and gender? So why would that be necessary or relevant? Second of all, this is an argument that is akin to mental gymnastics of a three year old throwing a tantrum and excuses after losing a game of basketball to his friend Jimmy. "I lost because basketball is a sport that is rigged to make it easier for people named Jimmy. Until Jimmy changes to Timmy this is not fair and I'm still the best!"

@woismith5899

6 жыл бұрын

It means nothing.

@DieFlabbergast

6 жыл бұрын

(a) She (it?) is _not_ a lady. I don't know what she is, but "lady" is not it. (b) I couldn't manage to listen to more than a few sentences of her extended whine, as her unbelievably irritating voice (nails on a blackboard? chainsaws?) made listening too painful to bear.

Second woman bashes Peterson for not including peer reviewed scientific studies in his talks... Goes on to virtue signal and not provide actual scientific evidence beyond saying it exists. She is quite lucky he didn't include scientific findings/consensuses on gender in his argument. She would look quite foolish.

@mathewcampbell7899

5 жыл бұрын

Would look quite foolish?

@Ashigeru47

4 жыл бұрын

Her "peer reviewed" studies were all done in the social sciences/Gender Studies, which has been shown that the peer review process might as well not exist compared to STEM sciences. She knows that the studies she referred to would be easily refuted. It's a typical Leftist tactic to present their flawed studies as "facts" sans evidence to give them the semblance of legitimacy.

It's a shame Jordan has to use his great mind on this - pointing out the bleeding obvious to imbeciles. What a waste of potential.

@giampaolomannucci8281

6 жыл бұрын

But that's a good strategy to adopt if you are in power and you are confronted with such an outstanding element.

@joshjohnson5948

4 жыл бұрын

So true

@normie2716

3 жыл бұрын

I don't see it as a waste of potential at all. These people must be found out and (verbally) eviscerated in a public forum so that thinking people can see them for what they are. Jordan is trying to save all of us from a tyrannical, socialist regime-in-the-making, so I'm damn glad we have someone like him with the balls and brains to stand up to the PC mafia.

her blood helium levels are through the roof

@Russeljfinch

6 жыл бұрын

His voice

These are the first comments I've ever read on youtube that actually give me hope. I was afraid I was the only one wondering if it could even be put into words how terrifying those women's opinions of what should or should not be legal truly are.

@georgetate6055

10 ай бұрын

Wha?

@breezyx976

9 ай бұрын

Women fight with words, not force, so to them mean words are the same as getting punched in the face and should thus be banned and stopped by any means.

Peterson gives a logical train of thought (agree or disagree with him) ... The Dr. at the right most podium then follows with talking points and a convoluted, insufferable strings of statements that basically can be summed up as "I'm right and this guy is just mean" Rarely did she offer an actual argument for anything.

@ranavisnja

5 жыл бұрын

Peterson has amazing, well thought out, coherent arguments articulated in plain, easy to understand speech. He also comes across as humble. It cannot be said for the lady with short hair.

What amazes me is that with the exception of Dr. Jordan Peterson none of the other people involved attempted to backup their claims with anything remotely considered fact based evidence

@t.n.tforever3400

2 жыл бұрын

No it's all emotional based they don't have any factual based in it which is why a lot of people who associate themselves with these groups don't want to debate this topic because they just don't have the information and formation and the level of intellect To articulate or explain their beliefs because it's all opinionated it's not factual that's why their whole basis is based off of what you decide to call yourself depends on what you want not on what you are so there's no foundation in it because it's all up in the air there's no solidification in the concept

@georgetate6055

10 ай бұрын

Not true. The second person to speak had many references to facts and studies. I can't believe the level of bias this group of listeners have here.

He's absolutely right

@electricsheep8692

6 жыл бұрын

ruth anna Britz I hope you mean Jordan, not the other dude.

@charlie190789com

6 жыл бұрын

Electricsheep I see what you did there ( Θ ͜͜ʖΘ)

@SilentMott

6 жыл бұрын

Its not hard to be right when your opponent argues biological sex is a social construct and not a physical difference between men and women.

We are in trouble!!!

@christopherd.phillips9920

6 жыл бұрын

T Campbell That's an understatement !

@ALIMUNTH

6 жыл бұрын

"WE'RE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE"-Howard Beale

Dr. Peterson, I studied social constructivism at an ivy league university and even based much of a controversial thesis on the work of David Noble. That said, even with that undergrad background from the 90s and many years practicing law in a "progressive" fashion I suppose, I find your expressed views to be the most cogent, honest, and useful expressions. I will add that I find your views epistemologically useful for thinkers of any political stripe. Just because you have the courage to speak plainly does not mean you manufacture ignorance or hate speech--quite the contrary. I find you, a Canadian, to be expressing US values much better than many, most, or all speakers in my nation. Thank you.

i like how bryson and the other professor are speaking in very mechanical rehersed tones. peterson is speaking from a place of complex intellect, because hes not speaking like a robot. hes speaking like a person who has dedicated hundreds if not thousands of hours breaking down and analyzing his own personal convictions and thoughts. the others have essays memorized geez loooeezz

@giampaolomannucci8281

6 жыл бұрын

Rehearsed, exactly, that's why I'll never listen to a human being reading from a script. They didn't even take the time and effort to memorize it, and that's the only thing I need to point out in what you said.

You know their arguments are invalid when all they can do is attack him and say misogyny

3 vs 1 hmmm stacking the odds and still coming up short. In my humble opinion. Objective vs Subjective? OBJECTIVITY WINS EVERY ARGUMENT!

So why is it when you hear someone say, "I self-identify as an attack helicopter", people automatically say they are mocking those that self-identify as something other than their birth gender. Yet instead of being accepting that this person is an attack helicopter they are denied their self-identity because others don't accept them at face value. This is a contradiction in view and attitude. If we are to accept some pronouns, we need to accept all of them. If you don't accept some but others, then there is no reason I should accept those you choose are valid.

@Ashigeru47

4 жыл бұрын

You Must Conform! - Leftist dogma. The Left always violates their own beliefs, when it suits their goals. They are the superlative hypocrites, who gleefully proclaim they are for people's rights, while demanding that people's rights be violated... Without double standards the Left would have no standards at all.

Jordan B Peterson is one of very few people who are not afraid of speaking the truth! Bravo, sir!

wow jordan is astonishing in his eloquence and patience discussing insanity with insane hateful people. .

AND THAT"S THAT!

"They were afraid to speak their minds" --- Chilling!

"How dare anyone use logic in a way we don't like."

Facts do not care about your feelings!

@SpenserRoger

6 жыл бұрын

Bela Tarr Man you just can't help but be triggered by all these comments. Let me guess Bela, your dream is to join one of these 'tribunals'?

@chittybangbang8370

6 жыл бұрын

No, my dream is to wipe stupidity from the earth. That's why I got into teaching. It's working pretty well. For my students anyway. I can't speak for others.

@lawsonharrison6927

6 жыл бұрын

Your poor future students

@MarkJones-gt2qd

6 жыл бұрын

Bela Tarr Only real subjects can be taught though. Womens studies is propagandised at best. and left wing politics is not too carefully scrutinised either. But sure, attack everyone around you with slurs and invective, it makes your arguments so compelling. or familiar.

@MarkJones-gt2qd

6 жыл бұрын

Bela Tarr It is a challenge to have to type all those extra characters that comprise my chosen pronoun, er, I mean name. but it makes everything a bit clearer. especially if you are throwing insults around. I believe you can be prosecuted for hate speech these days, be careful, you may upset a "special group". It is probably enough for them to feel you meant them, then bang goes your job, and your complacency.

"As a law professor" Yeah, because that totally helped her not being an idiot

@josemanuelmon

5 жыл бұрын

Nullpointer Imagine how sad it must be to actually be THAT idiot? And somehow, someone that idiotic has managed to go through life. I truly don’t get it. That women is actually A LAWYER!? And the bob haircut lori. as well!? Are there any cereal brands in Canada that come with a surprise law degree inside? I don’t grasp it at all!

@golfoftonkin

4 жыл бұрын

The best part of that quote is that she assumes that people give a shit that people are professors. I don’t care about titles just about the arguments that are made.

@golfoftonkin

4 жыл бұрын

Jose Manuel Mon Castillo the point nullpointer is making is that just because you have a degree doesn’t mean your arguments are valid. Which was clearly proving in this debate

33:58 - 34:26 Didn't she basically make an argument, presumably unintentional, that all social sciences are bullshit and can't reach valid conclusions because they are part of complex systems? Basically that what is being tested for can't be tested for independent of any other changes in society? Because it sounds to me like she is saying no valid conclusions can ever be drawn for complex systems that can't be completely controlled. Edit: Also, even if that is a little beyond what she is arguing, just taking her conclusion that you can't do scientific study on gender/sex I'm pretty sure that undermines her own position because then she can't have a valid scientific position on gender/sex relations if she threw the entire field under the bus.

@x3naurus

6 жыл бұрын

alastermyst exactly. It's these types of moments that CANNOT be looked past. Continue to call these things out

@Frohicky1

6 жыл бұрын

alastermyst "We have no good experiments on the subject, therefore what I say is right"

@kennenhaas1317

6 жыл бұрын

At the beginning she is like, "All the science agrees with me." Then she is like, "You can't research these questions." What a joke.

@getdowndemon1097

6 жыл бұрын

She can only fathom the depths of her arguement to her biased conclusion. Any other possibilities as far as she is concerned do not exist.

@BANKO007

6 жыл бұрын

It might be me, but I didn't hear a single word of scientific argument in her (standing at a podium) speech. It was pure babble from start to finish. The "prefer to discuss with someone knowledgeable about the law" woman fails to grasp the entire point of the law, which is to give effect, in this case, to a policy. The law is not the end in itself.

_I identify myself as the number 3.14159, but my friends call me _*_Pi_*

@pullybungieharder

6 жыл бұрын

You've been reading GPF comics ? They actually have aliens named Pi and Plank, for just such reasons.

@MarkJones-gt2qd

6 жыл бұрын

Manuel Alonso Domínguez Vázquez Actually, they call you Pie, and it's a hint. lose some weight, lardass.

@davidhordijk2300

6 жыл бұрын

Your friends are calling you irrational

much of the good bits were left out IMO. My favorite part was when Jordan called out the professor who was busily eluding to her authority as the head of an organization and the weight of the scientific consensus behind her opinion lended to her argument by her frequently saying the words peer review and use of tribal rhetoric by challenging her to a second debate on the science surrounding the subject. How quickly the moderators stepped in to say that this was a debate about the law and not intended to comment on the science... after this woman implied jordan was "anti science" continually. Funny when you think about it in the context of the entire debate. The social context of the law is off topic of the debate- except when discussing conflation of his argument with the right to call his students racial slurs, and the science is off topic unless we are implying jordan is a science denier. If we listened to the undertones of their case they'd like to sneak past the listener... "jordan is a racist transphibobic science denier!". Feels good.

@empempo

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t seem to find the original full video of the debate, do you have a link to it?

@sam-nariman6236

2 жыл бұрын

@@empempo kzread.info/dash/bejne/jHeurdKzZ6_TYrg.html

These fools really picked the wrong guy to argue with, huh?

@aikonatsumi5611

6 жыл бұрын

None of them cared either. They just read their written speeches, collected a check, and then went back to their social bubbles where they mocked Jordan for "not understanding".

You can't have free speech in a room full of adult kids who grew up receiving participation medals.

My god this debate did not age well 2016: it won't be illegal to misgender someone. 2017: it's probably illegal to show a video from a year ago where a guy asks wether or not it's illegal to refer to a man as "he".

@mangothejumpingspider7638

3 жыл бұрын

2021: get fired from Disney for criticising left wingers on social media

@TheHeikoSch

3 жыл бұрын

2021: if you don't gender in university we charge you with less points than the other students

@Mumu-qq1sm

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to 2022

Why are these things always 3v1...if you had spots for 4 speakers then make it a 2v2.

@ugbc3276

6 жыл бұрын

Blazekingz. To make it fair for the Liberal dumbasses

@ramses7309

6 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure they had to have equal IQ distribution for both sides., even if it meant adding 3 50's together

@leeosborn4641

6 жыл бұрын

Clearly one man was sufficient!

@method0123

6 жыл бұрын

The whole Marxist establishment is up against doc p and it still isn't fair because they cannot defeat him. He's coming from a place of love and truth. They are coming from a place of fear and hate.

@giampaolomannucci8281

6 жыл бұрын

It's as if 3 toddlers come and try to assault a grown man. It's not 3 vs 1, it's 1/4 vs 1. The 3 of them can't really do much.

She keeps bringing it back around to common decency and respect. I've had friends and acquaintances from all walks of life. If I had a friend, someone I was close to or respected who wished to be referred to outside of the gender binary, i'd of course oblige. The issue is requiring by law for people to use words that aren't their own, infringing heavily on free speech. Just the principle of it, not so that we may continue carrying on with hate speech. Plus methods such as this so early on before awareness of these things can be spread will only worsen the opposition people of this spectrum may face.

@mariussielcken

5 ай бұрын

A biological category is not a label of respect.

This man is fearless and not a coward…..people are afraid to step out ….this man put it all on the line

Two dead eyed Commissars against one honest man.

@Variety_Pack

6 жыл бұрын

CARDUELIS999 you mean 'wall-eyed Commissars', right?

English is not my native language but usually I understand the most. Not in this case. Cryptic traces of a very new (i didn't wanna say hand made) science, enumerations of aggressive accusations, references to irrelevant events in the past, pathetic whine out of the victim's corner and in the end a cheap attempt to butter up the audience. Wow, very impressive. In the opposite corner a very reasonable man who takes up every question instead of babbling prefabricated bullshit. And I grasped every word he said. I hope for him and in the end for all mankind that we are gonna get through this mess. There are several minorities (some of them are not as "minor" as the one in this debate) that are successfully exploiting their (former?) victim role and drive the ball further into the opponent's half after every battle they won (this analogy is clearly european). The power or at least the impact of those minorities is growing to a - in my humble opinion - very dangerous threat. And no, I'm not from the right wing. I voted left or green since I was allowed to vote and this was 42 years ago.

@mugoletti9730

7 жыл бұрын

Vasu Srivastava, you are right, I just wanted to make clear that there are people on the political left who don't go for shouting different opinions down. But this is just where I came from. Sadly the left and green in Europe shifted from militant advocats for social and enviromental subjects to a strange combination of political correctness and mainstream obedience to capitalism. This time I really wonder what to vote. Almost as difficult as Trump vs. Clinton or Devil against Beelzebub.

@leeosborn4641

6 жыл бұрын

Mugoletti, probably time to change your vote don't you think? As you say these babbling, whining minorities are starting to pose a very dangerous threat!!! Let us not wake up too late.

@AfricanLionBat

6 жыл бұрын

Mugoletti you literate very well. Maybe it's time you took that redpill.

@elmango705

2 жыл бұрын

Aber ungeimpft jaja

@mugoletti9730

2 жыл бұрын

@@elmango705 Ich wähle inzwischen AfD, und zwar exakt aus dem selben Grund, aus dem ich ab den 80ern die Grünen wählte. Sie stellen sich quer. Was die Impfung angeht: Anfangs war es Skepsis, inzwischen ist es trotz der Erkenntnisse über unterdrückte Nebenwirkungen und mangelnde Hauptwirkung nur noch der Widerwille dagegen, mir etwas aufzwingen zu lassen. Was das angeht, passen AfD und frühere Grüne hervorragend zusammen. Jaja.

Everytime time, Peterson talks so much sense. Its outstanding.

I love this guys work. Wish I had proffs like him.

Thank you for editing this! Based on the comments below I hope nothing substantive was edited out from either side, but it makes for much easier viewing!

Forcing someone to say something they don't agree with and saying something racist is not the same thing.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C.S. Lewis

Fairness: Peterson - centrist Fruitcake - far far left Lawyer - far left Host - left wing

"Academic freedom is not guaranteed"...scary.

Jordan is one of the greatest humans that ever lived.

the short hair one talks in jargon and presentation is meanless

Really well edited. Showed both sides without bias, a rare thing nowadays, well done

All the short-faired feminist did is try to discredit Peterson (which he debunked). NO ACTUAL ARGUMENTS.

Dr. Peterson Rocks!

The World is lucky to have a Professor like Jordan. I would take classes at any University just to hear him speak.

JP: "Free speech is the most important aspect of our functional civilization. It is extremely dangerous to limit it." Everyone Else: "why can't you be nice to people!" It's like arguing with children...

@georgetate6055

10 ай бұрын

Well, free speech may be the most important freedom we have. However, it's not the only freedom nor is it the only VALUE that we should debate and talk about. I'm afraid this has become a mess for us to deal with. I don't think JBP has made the public field better - it's not much worse, either. I think the left needed to back up a little bit BEFORE there was any debate and develop a public narrative that reflects our community values. Period. JBP went on the attack and the left did what the left normally does. They just spout policy, policy, and more policy. I really wish that before ANY well-meaning liberal or leftist disputant would appear with JBP (or any time they had to talk in public!), they would seek the help of a master theater arts coach! JBP delivers in such a way that he MOVES people emotionally. The other speakers talked - just like academicians (boring!). Like what I say or not. I was known as a good teacher. Why? If the students aren't "moved" emotionally, they'll have a more difficult time "getting it" - (what they need to get).

God bless Dr. Jordan Peterson.

We all owe it to this Man to be better-educated, courageous, articulate, and alert. I hope to be worthy of the association of such a human being.

"using rhetorical techniques more suited to breitbart news than a university professor" The irony. How can a person be so unself-aware?

TREATING SOMEONE WITH "KINDNESS AND RESPECT" SHOULDN'T BE LEGISLATED! YOUR IDEA OF KINDNESS AND YOUR IDEA OF RESPECT MIGHT NOT BE SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEAS OF KINDNESS AND RESPECT! SO, don't try to use GOVERNMENT FORCE to CONTROL IT!

SJW: Professor Peterson provides no evidence. Science supports me. Peterson: (cites science) SJW: You can't examine this in the realm of science. People's FEELINGS

It's hilarious the short haired lady tried to use dr. Peterson's words against him, which back fired on her. She is scary and represents the exact issue going on. What ever happened to survival of the fittest...you want respect, you want to be called a certain thing then you earn that right. At the end of the day it's simple...you don't get to tell people how to act, feel or the things they can say based on your personal views. Reality check: some people are uncomfortable with the whole gender fluid movement, not because of who you are or what you do personally, because it's being imposed into all of our lives. What I'm seeing is a bunch of whiny adult babies who may not be secure in their own right to handle views controversial to their own.

@Ashigeru47

4 жыл бұрын

These Leftists don't believe in earning things, like respect... They FEEL Entitled to it, and demand others give it to them, because they claim to be "victims". Imagine being so privileged that you feel you can demand things from other, while claiming to be a victim. Victims don't demand. Privileged people think it's their right to demand things of others...

Yhat bleached haired stocky lady was cryde. She misrepresented his quotes even down to the accentuating of certain words.

@Ashigeru47

4 жыл бұрын

She couldn't argue with facts, so she attacked the man. It's an intellectually dishonest tactic called an Ad Hominem attack.

@milesmccall2301

3 жыл бұрын

Even so, none of her cherry picked quotes are as damning as she seems to think they are.

I find it helpful to listen to this video again and again. The more I listen, the more I learn the truth.

"How hard is it to treat these people with respect and dignity?" For me, at least, it is constitutionally impossible to treat with respect someone for whom I have no respect. I'm sixty years old. The inability to perform such self-denying behaviours has been part of my mental makeup for the whole of my adult life. If a lack of respect shows, then tough. You earn it you get it. I can, however, treat most people with courtesy. Lawyers should be very careful with their choice of words. Lawyers as educators more so.

with regards to the second speaker the lawyer,.... so the government should force people to be kind???

45:03 "I think we might be straying a little away from the question" (Obvious, ham-handed attempt to intercept an excellent point he was making at the time) 45:09 "No we're not because that question, that question involved my clinical practice, I'm not straying a bit..." [BOOYA]

Jordan Peterson is now very well known. Many people are interested in his views and insights. Brenda Cossman and Mary Bryson, not so much.

@MattieK09

6 жыл бұрын

for good reason

@Ashigeru47

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone knows about Peterson. Those women? I can find people just like them in any Gender Studies class...

God bless you Jordan. Not many would go to jail for their beliefs, let alone stand up for them the way you have

as sensitive as I am in general, sincerely, I am a white straight male. if people want to use offensive adjectives to describe or insult me all day long, it is better than the alternative. although these descriptions would be painful I would gladly take it..FREE SPEECH is that important! the true price of freedom is living with things we don't always enjoy or agree with. on top of that legislating any "FREE FROM FREE SPEECH PROTECTIONS" will and would hamper, although altruistic in conception, what it was designed to do in long game. I can't believe this is being so heavily focused on considering the very serious human rights violations occuring around the world right this second. these arguments, imo, is a sign of how wanton and intemperate our modern society has become.. The issues in this debate is definitely worth a conversation but compared to poverty, imperial geopolitics and thermo nuclear war?? really?? pronouns should probably be secondary imo.

So, when I hear the professor on the end, all I can think of is 'pseudo-profound bullshit': journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.html Once you learned to spot pseudo-profound bullshit you'll never hear politicians, SJWs or some religious leaders the same again.

@ceev.f3842

6 жыл бұрын

flipadoo Interesting!

@AfricanLionBat

6 жыл бұрын

Everyday when I open my news feed

@ade8890

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Rick Lane. Just wanted to point out you actually didn't say anything substantively in your reply. Just attempts at character assassination. If you want people to be more considerate of your position, try to only reply with substance. When you attempt to provide a rebuttal with substance, you completely miss the nail, like with Jordan Peterson arguing that Sex, gender, expression, and sexual orientation do not vary independently and predominantly follows a bimodal distribution. You're rebuttal is: "But it is a spectrum." JBP being wrong on that very minute aspect does nothing to discredit his position. I'd be willing to have this debate with you. Just give me his position and how you disagree with it, whether it's Gardner's MI theory, IQ (Although, the controversy around IQ seems to be predicated on Gardner's MI theory, so that would most likely end up being the same discussion), the variations already mentioned, opposing C-16, identity being negotiated, or whatever it is you militantly oppose. I see a lot of hate thrown at JBP, like him being an alt-righter, so I'm honestly curious where all of this hate is coming from. He's said things I've disagreed with, but my reaction isn't that he's a hateful pseudo-intellectual bigot. He's just an intelligent person with his own forms of bias's.

The Trans community has to get better representation than this. I don't agree with their demands, but these spokes...persons are rambling and incoherent.

@franzkafka293

4 жыл бұрын

Sexual deviancy is not conducive to lucid thought.

Great work! It appears KZread has removed this video from Peterson's channel.

19:00 _"And let's be clear. We have a unique difficulty here today in subjecting these claims to scholarly scrutiny. What kind of claims can you have in amateurish videos?"_ What the fuck has the quality of the video production got to do with Jordan Peterson's argument; does the idiot think that valid arguments only come from dusty, leather bound books, or expensive documentaries with lots of CGI infographics? Jordan Peterson's opposition are driven by sentimentality and think that shaming language is the same as a structured argument.

You know someone doesn't have much of an argument when they spend almost their whole time trying to Impugn the person they are speaking with instead of using logic, reason, examples, and an understanding of all sides of the argument.

Its very strange that in this new world of such immense exposure, we are able to build and live inside our own little bubble worlds more than ever....

Do you have the link to the full video? Thanks for uploading a more concise version!

They must all be so pissed Jordan went on the fame and glory while they kept fighting their own shadows.

33:57 prof Mary Bryson: _"Science, about causality, about in essence sex being linked and producing gender requires us to move outside of the current realm. All that we have in this realm is quasi-experimentation, we can't actually do studies where we manipulate the chromosomal or hormonal environment. And so since we can't remove sexism and misogyny from the production of gender, we can't actually reach conclusions about what we take to be gender differences"_ I had to transcribe this beauty. WTF is she talking about? See how she dismisses the whole field of behavioural science and child psychology because it doesn't suit her utterly unscientific and unempirical conclusions. Science becomes _quasi_ (not really) science. Does she have knowledge of this _other realm_ , does she have empirical evidence from proper experimentation within it? No? Well, shut the fuck up then. _"Things might be the opposite in dimension V"_ is not a fucking argument. How about the behavioural studies on male and female new born babies and how they freely and without direction show preferences and make choices consistent with known differences between males and females? In what way is this experiment being tainted by discrimination and the hatred of women? Why would one be so invested in denying what 98% of the population experiences unless one represented the 2% who didn't experience it that way? I think this is all an elaborate strategy to legitimise as _not abnormal_ all the minority groups who want to see themselves represented equally to other groups in the government, media, arts and education despite only representing 2% of the population. If it is true, as I believe it to be, that Communism is the ancestor of Postmodernism and Social Justice and that the agenda is what it was always declared to be-to destabilise Western Capitalist societies through civil division and unrest by radicalising and weaponizing special interest groups against the establishment-then occupying the minds of academics with unravelling ridiculous and irrational statements to develop counter arguments is a very smart thing to do; you distract them from what the other hand is doing and exhaust them intellectually.

@santibanks

4 жыл бұрын

Is it just me or is she actually already contradicting her own ideological beliefs about gender fluidity here? If I understand her correct she says in order to actually study the production of gender in it's full potential, you need to get rid of the sexism and misogyny. And the way to get rid of those two is by manipulating chromosomal or hormonal environments. But that is not possible, hence full gender production can not be studied. Is it just me or is she actually saying that these biological factors are inherent sexist? And therefor actually providing the evidence that gender is biological and not socially constructed as you need to tweak the chromosomes and hormones in order to have gender produced to it's full potential?

@montecardenas-metal1172

4 жыл бұрын

thevarsity.ca/2016/12/03/ubc-prof-mary-bryson-receives-violent-threats-after-debate-on-gender-neutral-pronouns/ After this debate and receiving much-deserved hate mail because she makes a mockery of academia, she and the media frame the hate mail homophobia and mysogyny

Notice the tracking is a bit off at 33:33

"... and if you could throw in a little kindness on top, that would be even better." .... thanks mom.

"I won't call you zer!" "You will or go to jail." God help us for they sure know what they are doing and it is more eveil than sin itself.

This man is so brilliant it's insane. Intelligence cannot be mimicked.

As she quoted David Suzuki @17.30 : "I do not want to dignify this man and his ideas in public debate." I remember hearing the same bullshit from the American right about engaging Ahmadinejad in a public debate at an American university. As far as I'm concerned, the more wrong your opponent is, the more you should want to prove that to the public & the more confident you should be that you can. Nothing invalidates your position like saying "I refuse to defend it and I'll stop anyone from challenging it." That is the motto of every tyrannical liar in history.

any help with the book mentioned at 27:38? Did he mean to say Gulag Archipelago?

@elisabetanegrau7651

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's Gulag Archipelago.

One against many! Shame on U of T! This is not a debate but a public defamation! Public shaming or even bullying! And they all lost! Law professor who says only in extreme violent case yet, Dr. Peterson is being ostracized publicly warned several time and now they may be going after his clinical license! Then you have a woman who is a preacher rather than representing any scientific community! Then we got this moderator who just read other oppositional questions and not moderate!

When I was in college I respected my professors. I wonder if college students can still do that.

@golfoftonkin

4 жыл бұрын

You can respect professors but that doesn’t mean believe everything they say. What are trying to say with this comment? Just wondering

How you sat through this is mind boggling my man.

what he says from 1:35-3:10min is so true and so spot on. Very well put. Ill write it down and translate it to my language, so i can use it the next time sb dares to say limiting speech is not a big issue

Everyone has a valid existence. With that being said, I reserve right to think all of someones decisions are awful and ignorant. JP has been a Godsend.

This debate's title should be "Logic vs Ideology"

A rich resource of knowledge on the law and the mess of a system that the court system is (on top of the mess of the prison system that I studied in Deviance and Social Control). On the positive side, this provides confidence in my speech and articulation process.

Didnt feel like there was a lot of debating going on, there was a lot of talking past each other.