Hello you legends. Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first box at www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Comparison is the Enemy of Happiness 03:27 Choice Architecture in Online Dating 23:18 The Philosophy of Comedy 30:57 The Biggest Problem With the Purity Spiral 43:45 What Happened to the Welsh Identity? 47:36 Why We Buy Engagement Rings 51:38 How to Think Like Darwin 59:45 The Convenience of Tribal Thinking 1:08:27 Is David Ogilvy a Genius? 1:21:49 Should HS2 Be Abandoned? 1:30:20 Rory’s Advice to Cultivate Creativity 1:35:11 Why Rory Didn’t Move to America 1:41:58 Rebranding Twitter to X 1:53:25 Being an Air-Fryer Pioneer 1:56:03 Rory’s Opinion of Jordan Peterson 1:58:50 Rory’s Current Obsessions 2:09:30 What’s Next for Rory

@annefagit3305

4 ай бұрын

This is the most engaging episode of your show that I have yet listened to. Thank you both, I really enjoyed this, and it's that rare thing: a podcast that I'm going to listen to more than once.

@WildCornovii

3 ай бұрын

He even interrupts himself 😅

I love/hate when Rory goes off topic, and I love/hate when Chris makes him comeback kto topic. These two balance each other beautifully

@bigyin2794

4 ай бұрын

That tangentialism is his brain doing creative rubiks cube, generating lots of threads and ideas which can become chaos if someone doesn't keep track and rewind a couple of steps and finish off the loop.

Rory seems to be the most well-intentioned habitual interrupter I’ve witnessed.

@DennisNeijmeijer

4 ай бұрын

He just can't help himself, the interesting tidbits NEED to come out immediately....

@garydrago

4 ай бұрын

He's clearly very intelligent and well-versed but he needs to realize a conversation is between 2 people

@paullegend6798

4 ай бұрын

His own thoughts are continually interrupting his own speech. So it's not personal or something to be done only to other people.

@user-ey4ug9qo2x

4 ай бұрын

Rory is clearly a very intelligent guy but I’ve actually had to turn the podcast off with 45 minutes left to go. He won’t even let Chris finish a question that he’s posing and completely cuts him off each time. I’m sure it’s not intentional and purely down to enthusiasm but have some self awareness in a 2 way conversation. Shame it kinda ruined this podcast episode

@CSFREERUNNING

4 ай бұрын

​@@garydragoWho you could just accept him for who he is. If you don't like it, don't listen to him again. I think he's brilliant despite this flaw.

As someone with ADHD, it's an absolute pleasure to listen to Rory - my mind works the same way (but certainly not as brilliantly!!)

@stevecooper7883

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. He is captivating for the tangential mind, while still getting to the point in the very end at last.

@princenosiatajansen

Ай бұрын

adhd is not real.

I could literally listen to Rory talk all day.

@AbrahamNixons

5 ай бұрын

I don't think you'll have a choice

@the_parker_g

4 ай бұрын

You’d have to.

@otterofdespair3387

4 ай бұрын

There’s plenty of Rory on KZread so you can!

@superscatboy

4 ай бұрын

I think he'd be fine with that 😂

@that1chickinFL

2 ай бұрын

So could Rory😂

Chris is dying in this conversation,he cant get a word in😂

Rory is one of my favorite guests ever. He’s a fantastic communicator and extremely intelligent. Pure Valuetament.

@mariolongtin8271

4 ай бұрын

I find he's a terrible communicator, he interrupts constantly, doesn't listen and speaks down to Chris. He also consistently turns it around and makes it about himself.

@joethomas9926

4 ай бұрын

@@mariolongtin8271weirdly though, I don’t mind when he interrupts, because it doesn’t feel malicious it just seems like he’s so excited to share something he’s going to burst, plus he has ADD or ADHD so it makes sense his mannerisms

@mariolongtin8271

4 ай бұрын

@joethomas9926 Yeah, that also makes a lot of sense! I get the "I'm better than you, I'm the master, now listen to me vibes." I could be off. Nonetheless, he is definitely intelligent.

@alisecornia

4 ай бұрын

I love Rory too! I’d never heard of him before this podcast, but he’s one of the most charismatic people I think I’ve ever seen.

@areviewer8514

4 ай бұрын

Instead of usually his talents for psychology and the human good, he used it to make money for corporations that’s what I don’t like. Marketing and advertising is probably the most disgusting career in the world.

If Hormozi is the angel sitting on one of my shoulders, then Rory is the devil sitting on the other. What a wonderfully, lovably, distractible man. No matter where the story goes it will be interesting, insightful, and hilarious. Absolute legend.

Rory Sutherland is one of my favorite people since his amazing TED talks years ago when TED was still good. He has unconventional and fascinating ideas

First time I’m hearing of this Rory chap, complete gem. What a great and interesting conversation. Well done letting him run, the way you threaded this conversation was great.

@shyama5612

4 ай бұрын

See his 10+ year old ted talk about diamond shreddies. Hilarious as hell.

@charlesuwah3404

3 ай бұрын

Great guy. Many of his interviews and podcasts are on BBC sounds app.

Rory cracks me up. 😂 He knows stuff about everything! Can’t wait for you to have him back.

@Gabrielle4870

3 ай бұрын

I want him on my trivia team 😂

I’ll stop talking about dating cause my wife will be watching this 😂

@devilsoffspring5519

5 ай бұрын

Talk about money instead when a woman you're married to is around. When she's gone, go back to talking about women :)

@tuckerbugeater

4 ай бұрын

Is that what you do with your Waifu? @@devilsoffspring5519

@cleanerclimate278

4 ай бұрын

Never stopped him before ……

@mr.j3371

4 ай бұрын

Never let your wife stop you from finding your true love 🥹🤧🥲

Watching Chris try to keep up with ADHD pinballing is almost as much fun as the pinballing itself 😆 By the end he really nails it, though. It's quite a skill to be able to catherd the bees in the head into a coherent interview 🤩

Bumped into Rory at Heathrow and was listening to his last appearance on MW at that exact moment. Great interaction with him in the departures lounge

@rory.sutherland

5 ай бұрын

Greetings again!

@juliekrol

4 ай бұрын

And you still made the flight? 😂 Just kidding

This interview was so effin good. Rory is an incredible mind and one of, if not the most, insightful + humourous conversationalists in the Anglo world right now. Kudos Mr. Williamson 👏👏

I've listened to all interruptions on spotify, so now i'm here to check them in video

Mr. Sutherland bears a strong resemblance to Miriam Margolyes. A total delight to listen to. His relationship to comedy and comedians is fascinating.

Any chance of Chris getting a word in edge ways? 😂

@stvbrsn

5 ай бұрын

With Rory? No, not really. I quite love him though, even if he won’t shut up sometimes!

As a Welsh PhD student studying Identity, phenomenology and minoritized language, I’m ecstatic at that Welsh reference :)

@rory.sutherland

4 ай бұрын

Tidy!

47:40 I found my engagement ring. Fell in love with it. It was at Costco. It may be gone the next time we were there. I called my fiance and bought it on the spot. It was 1/4 of his monthly income. I love the ring still today, 16 years later.

His opinions on Peterson is 100% correct. Absolutely spot on.

So so SO GOOD to hear *Thomas sowell* mentioned here

This dude is fractal! Every single answer contains an anecdote that contains another answer which has anecdote in it …. Self similar for 3 hours and brilliant.

What a character, Red suspenders +50 points. Rory should be in museum glass labeled “British Stereotype.”

If this man was my teacher or professor in school. I'd never fail a class his passion will become my passion 😤🔥🔥🔥🔥

@Gabrielle4870

3 ай бұрын

Agreed

Always enjoy listening to Rory, esp when he goes off on a tangent. Great communicator & observer of things oft ignored

@blackmarketarmy

4 ай бұрын

agree, but also a terrible listener😂

This guy is awesome. Thanks for bringing him to us Chris.

Chris has incredible patience lol

This guy is out of control and I love it.

Going off on a tangent, brilliantly, for more than two hours. So much for short-form content being king.

Great episode, but the chap relentlessly goes off on tangents and interrupts you at every chance. He is well intentioned but conducting that interview must have been like herding cats. 😂

@roberth4395

11 күн бұрын

People with ADHD thinks like he speaks. So if you have ADHD what you wrote is not even noticed.

He cracks me up 😂but Chris can’t word in … 🙈😂!!

Rory Sutherland gives wisdom. I wonder if it sinks in.

This guy is a bloody legend

I am so exited to watch Rory and Chris ! You guys are legends! Watching from South Africa ! 🇿🇦

Chris, congrats on your patience and respectfulness, admirable.

Love seeing a rory episode pop up because you know it will be a solid 2h+ if not solely for the reason that he can't shut up

This guy is the reason I started vaping instead of smoking. Had been smoking for 20 years, and saw this guy on the show. Chris started talking to him about vaping. Rory said it is a much better way to get nicotine on a variety of levels. I tried it out because of his glowing review. Coincidentally, I breathe much better now. I can run for the first time in my life. Chris, your show is making my life better. Thanks, you are a real hero.

@Rawc90

4 ай бұрын

Same, I’m now using nicotine pouches to quit vaping. Tried patches and gum but didn’t do it for me. Now I’m steadily lowering the amount of pouches by spacing out the time between use. Used to be 1 hour now it’s 4. I can feel the improvement in my lungs already and it’s only been 2 weeks

@albertlevins9191

3 ай бұрын

Wow, dude! That is really rad! Personally, I like what nicotine does to me, so I don't want to quit. But not inhaling burning plants and industrial chemicals every day made a HUGE difference in my health. I recommend it to every smoker I know.

I love Rory, could listen to him all day but God I wish he’d just let Chris finish a single sentence but butting in.

I got married in 2011. I am telling you. I absolutely feel like I caught the last helicopter out of Saigon. That is such an apt way to put that. I have been looking for the words forever. ROFL.

@carrotsandrunning

4 ай бұрын

100%. NFI where i'd even start with the mess that is the dating scene these days. I wrote my wife a letter ffs. The way it's done now seems so freaking toxic.

@albertlevins9191

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. Dating is in insane nightmare now.

Rory is a gem. Could listen to him all day. Brilliant

As usual fantastic conversation, but for fuck sake don't give this man caffeine!! 😂

@carrotsandrunning

4 ай бұрын

it's like hammy from over the hedge in human form.

This is the first time that I've noticed Chris seeming bored multiple times during the interview.

@colbykultgen2059

4 ай бұрын

Think he was frustrated from getting cut off every time he tried to speak lol.

What a pleasing accent Rory Sutherland has - will be no problem to listen to him whatever he has to say! 🙂

@stevecooper7883

2 ай бұрын

He was made for advertising. His charisma is off the charts and his approach appears genuine.

Going to read (rather listen) to all of his books on audible! Used to be in advertising wish I had had a boss like him! He has such a wealth of knowledge!

You have one of the best shows on the internet, Chris! Thanks for my first exposure to Rory Sutherland. He's very smart and nice but exhausting to listen to!

I could listen to Rory all day. Entertaining and informative. There aren't many people pull that off as well as he does. That was great!

The sound guys must have had the most strenuous time editing Rorys audio from all the left-and-right body swinging he does 10 times per second (bless the man), the audio balance is just non existent and threshold is all over the place. My god, i love it. He talks with his body movement with equal vigor and speed if not greater than his mind can form sentences. Give your audio guys a raise, Chris, the sweat from editing this podcast is palpable. Love the pod ❤

Holy mackerel in a sackerel of quackerel, what an incredible two hours of rich conversation. I'm honestly floored, my normal ability to leave an incisive remark is just clapped-out! It would maybe take me an hour to re-skim through the episode and compile all the great moments I have something to say about, and that's a treasured feeling. Who is this Rory Sutherland and how have I not encountered him before?

1:35:37 🎉I LOVE that you pointed out that old tv interview of folks here in the U.S. griping about not being allowed to drink and drive! There’s similar one where people are griping about wearing seatbelts in the front seat!😅 Also, I laughed so hard at “NOTHING in America is beyond being drive through-able.” 😂 SO TRUE! And even here in Ohio we have drive thru weed dispensaries. I love this interview.

@rory.sutherland

4 ай бұрын

New Orleans goes one better. You can buy cocktails at a drive-thru!

Never a dull episode with Rory 🤟

This was both wise & hilarious! Your podcasts always brighten my day

Properly enjoyed this chat that seemingly went all over the place but in the best possible way. Rory constantly had me asking questions and made me feel optimistic about attempting to answer anything. Chris did a brilliant job shepherding the conversation to ensure we rounded off some great topics. Cheers!

This man should be at every party.

I’ve recently watched The Lord Of The Rings. Thanks for having him on

Rory is an original thinker - merges persuasion, behavioral econ, open minded to arrive at interesting and original observations - and takes himself not too seriously, so fun to watch and learn.

He’s probably one of the most well-spoken I’ve come across in a long time.

Chris asked like 2 and 3 half questions the whole time. xD I could listen to Rory Sutherland all day.

This guy is a genius and too funny. 👏 😂 Could listen to him ramble on all day

This conversation was unexpectedly hilarious. Fab guest.

This has to be one of the most engaging conversation.. Esp. use of language, storytelling, complimentary skills of both Chris & Rory and sheer energy that's put in here. Worth the time. Almost at par with James Sexton Podcast with Lex. Notwithstanding the fact that there are 0 takeaways and totally misleading thumbnail.

Loved this. Adore Rory, fascinating bloke, amazing mind 🤩

This is as good as a podcast gets. High level conversation. I have learned so much from this episode. Bravo 🙌🏿

Rory is next level

Love how chris kept his ground ❤️ but also this is a great Rory interview! Saw him 10 years ago, and he's adapted how he shares he's view on current topics

It's quite unfortunate that I've never heard of Rory. This episode was absolutely amazing. And and so so much fun!!! He is not only knowledgeable, but has an incredible sense of humour. 🧐🧐🧡🧡 I'll be researching more about him for sure!!🧐🧐

This episode is worth an entire degree.

I have seen Rory a while ago on a podcast. Very entertaining and at the same time highly informed. Loved the energy of this interview. ❤

Just the best..love your interviews and spec Rory Sutherland..What a personality ❤

Rory is peak podcasting for this show

I have never seen this show, but I'll say that chris seemed super interested and was a good interviewer, he let his guest speak. In regards to the USA and Canada, i am not sure everyone wants to live in suburbia and spend hours in cars, they just can't all afford to move to NY, SF or Boston, etc or even Vancouver, Toronto etc. Some do, others will never trade a big city with transportation for an isolated car status culture. In NY status is about what you do, not your job nor your car, but what you do as fulltime passion which may or may not be what pays the bills.

I liked when he would go off topic and just riff- but you seemed to want him to stay very focused but brillliant people often see connections in things and share them. So bright my brain was electrified following him! OMG HIS GEMS...one of them on Austin "I can get great coffee by people with wonderful body art. But in afternoon I can drive to the desert and fire machine guns at oil drums..."

Great chat! I quite enjoyed this episode

I am the number one fan of Rory Sutherland!

This bloke is bloody phenomenal !

This guy is fantastic!

Rory's the David Attenborough of marketing 😆

@Gabrielle4870

3 ай бұрын

At twice the speed 😂

Well done Chris for calling out the bullshit at 1:45, etc ! 👍👍👍 This is said despite liking what Rory has to say. Boundaries matter! 💪👍👍❤️❤️❤️

Bill Hicks' bit about advertising still as relevant as ever

I want to un-like and re-like this episode again. This is how good this episode is! We need a super LIKE button here.

Great as always from Sutherland.

Fascinating conversation

He is the most lovable handful ever, great interview!

Getting this guy to stay on topic is like wrestling an octopus.

Dude I'm like 2 mins in, I love this guy's energy

First time hearing this guest. Already a fan!

Love the content. When you reference America it is most productive to use material in the current decade. Drink driving was a blurb in the 70’s along with Americans complaining about laws for seatbelts.

I loved this!!

Rory’s brain has too many tabs open

This man is enthusiastic

Ευχαριστούμε!

His explanation of why getting into relationships is supposed to be “messy” makes perfect sense. Bonding trough mutual connections is also an insensitive to work trough relationship problems too. It’s the same reason why the “messiness” of nepotism works simply because it adds more social cost for lack of commitment than just getting employed trough clean sterile means.

Entertaining listen as always, but am I the only one who feels like Chris was being constantly interrupted? The time talking already felt solidly 95/5 in Rory's favor, and Chris barely gets to introduce a concept or thought before he is interrupted and its back to the Rory show? I appreciate the enthusiasm, but in my humble opinion, this was close to being out of line at times.

@blackmarketarmy

4 ай бұрын

100% agree

Lovely convo❤💪🏼

Love Rory, and also think he may have had too much of Chris' energy drink during the course of this interview!

@Gabrielle4870

3 ай бұрын

Ah! That would make sense as it got worse 😂

Amazing interview

It's Chris laughing like a mischievous schoolboy at Rory talking about boners for me. Rory was as delightful as ever. At this point I'm convinced he has an obscure story for every conceivable topic. His enthusiasm is absolutely contagious. 🩵 ...Would also love to hear him explain to his wife why its a good thing he compares her to a Japanese toilet. 😂

Even Chris has no chance against the ramblings of this man. 🤣The tangents are rife with gold though. Even I could host a fabulous podcast episode with Rory - just give the man a mic and sit back!

The interruption game of this podcast is pretty amusing :D

How nice of Rory to have Chris on his show.