Check out our Bronco Vids HERE: Drag Race: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWFqpa2ynpyff7A.html Wrangler vs Bronco vs Defender: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZW1lo9V6g9nTmZs.html

@hybrid.roodragon1226

2 жыл бұрын

The intro music and this story just WOW

@neverendingweekend

2 жыл бұрын

Music was a bit much, no? 😂

@cars9716

2 жыл бұрын

Change the defender's brakes and wheel, and it’ll be unstoppable

@toyotadiesel4970

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny how everyone including the TFL guy completely forgets how much rock-packing they had to do to get the def through. Those other vehicles didn't even try that. Also they didn't have any lockers, this is a disaster for rock crawling trail, so much money spent in the wrong places, really painful to watch the unlocked vehicles there :\

@5ohJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@cars9716 🤣

Credit TFL for taking these vehicles on a tough trail. Risking trail damage on their own vehicles to bring us some good content.

@titanx04

2 жыл бұрын

But really that’s what they should be used for and always risk of damage, let’s be honest we all knew it would be the LR that wouldn’t make it back. Next vid will be interesting fully modded lr that would cost around 150k and modded keep vs bronco.

@TheSkrillexRemix

2 жыл бұрын

They buy the vehicles for views and just the first video they made introducing them pays them off.

@TFLnow

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkrillexRemix Not even close

@Z13AT4SIXTY

2 жыл бұрын

@@titanx04 LR just needed 35 & 2 drs. to preform much better.

@racerx3669

2 жыл бұрын

we paid for them...

“Tommy, go get the Land Rover off the trail, we’re gonna go drag race the other two. See you later!”

@bwarren228

2 жыл бұрын

I actually would love to be told I had to go on a recovery mission. Sounds way more fun!

@Jv19979

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah especially when you're drag racing off road vehicles.

@IAMTRASHMAN267

2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@michaelcoan8634

2 жыл бұрын

Roman bragged about that POS as he was taking it up there and then pussed out when it was time to go retrieve it. Respect lost!

@cshader2488

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcoan8634 the bragging is all part of the script, and they have other content they have to make on a pretty strict schedule. They trust Tommy to make a good recovery video and he did. Nice work guys!

Trail rescue is much more interesting that a drag race. Nice to see the Willys

Would you consider in an upcoming video explaining, to us novices, what all the off-road options actually mean I.E. sway bars, locking diffs, etc? Thank you.

@900108Chale

Жыл бұрын

YES!

Tommy's reasonably spec'd Jeep handles the trail like a boss after painfully watching all the expensive rigs struggle....

@dufonrafal

2 жыл бұрын

yep, just put a front sway bar quick disconnect on it and it's perfect !

@PeakDecline

2 жыл бұрын

Tommy's Wrangler proves how much weight matters. Glides over obstacles relative to those very heavy "overland" rigs.

@elchucofried5683

2 жыл бұрын

The Bronco did just as good if not better considering it was a 4 door bronco

@PeakDecline

2 жыл бұрын

@@elchucofried5683 Tommy's Jeep is literally half the price of the Bronco they tested. I agree the Bronco handled it well. But Tommy's build proves you can enjoy these trails in something much more affordable.

@Fix_It_Again_Tony

2 жыл бұрын

Short wheelbase has an advantage on an obstacle like that.

Rule of thumb for anyone reading, if you blow a tire on the trail and have to put on your spare, you turn around and get a new tire. Fun’s over! You don’t keep going forward unless you’re familiar with the trail and it’s the easier path. Obviously the TFL guys know this but it’s all good video content.

@BullittKid08

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mister

@ldv5831

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the first thing I thought when the first tire went bye bye , but I suppose TFL need to make content and I suspect a lot of effort to organise and make the vids. So I suspect that’s why they carried on and probably didn’t think they would loose both.

@cshader2488

2 жыл бұрын

@@ldv5831 yeah it’s different when you’re just with your buddies, especially when you have one vehicle. I would’ve probably kept going too, for the sake of the video. I also kinda wish they’d ditch the Land Rover, it’s an amazing vehicle, I just kinda find it boring. I liked the VW way better.

@technicaldisasters

2 жыл бұрын

The rule is “drive it like it has to get you home.”

@chriselliott3191

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad red cone is one way, and there is nowhere to turn around!

Funniest ever! When a guy like Tommy goes off on a epic rant, it’s all honesty. Tell us Tommy how do you really feel about Defender wheel tire combo?

love Tommy's demonstration of using a Willys, which is the average person's vehicle/budget. If he wanted to, all it would need is a rear locker.

@TavicSilverhusky

2 жыл бұрын

You’d be surprised at how well that BLD system operates. My 2010, bare bones 2dr Sport kept right up with the boys with lockers. Bare bones from the factory = manual trans, no a/c, no cruise cntrl, AM/FM CD player (no Bluetooth) and yes… manual crank windows. Eventually I installed the towing pkg take-off springs from a 4dr to get an additional 1 1/2” of ground clearance and Rubicon Wheel/Tire take offs.

@davidstinson3830

2 жыл бұрын

@@TavicSilverhusky I used to regularly take airport rental JL's out on some pretty good trails with no issue. Schofield pass with an airport rental? No problem lol. (not recommended)

@markjaycox8811

2 жыл бұрын

@@TavicSilverhusky yeah, sounds like the way I would go if i ordered new one. Don't they make after market helper springs you can put on to get that xtra 1 1/2"- HAVE THEM on my 2002 Ram Q-CAB 4x4.

@Clean97gti

2 жыл бұрын

Throw a Detroit locker up front with some manual hubs. Pick a good selectable locker for the rear. A good set of tires and you'll be amazed at what you can walk it right over.

I’m actually glad that Tommy took his personal wrangler up that trail to really show what you can still do with a pretty bone stock wrangler

@dougmhenriksen

2 жыл бұрын

My wife has a two door Islander and i have a 4 door Rubicon...... Wish i had a two door Rubicon, that 2 door will do EVERYTHING my Rubi will do.

@jefftenhave8038

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree.. it is also a subliminal message to Ford. You haven’t come close to unseating the king yet.

@Magnathyr

2 жыл бұрын

And I bet that 2door Jeep of Tommy's cost WAYYYY less than that Defender... Put a lift kit just big enough to comfortably fit 32" or 33" tires and there isn't much you couldn't take with that little Jeep..... and still at FAR less money than that Defender.

@eda7875

2 жыл бұрын

@@Magnathyr dude... it already has 32in tires, and it the willys JL can fit 33s without a lift.

@Magnathyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@eda7875 I wasn't sure exactly which model he had, but regardless that wasn't the point of my comment... I was simply pointing out that you can buy a Jeep which is much more capable and cheap enough that you could add even MORE capability to it and STILL spend less money than you would buying that Defender.

The guys in the dealership must cringe every time they see the TFL crew walking in.

@NicholasTranscends

2 жыл бұрын

TFL walks in MONEY!!! 💰 💴

@NicholasTranscends

2 жыл бұрын

These guys are the biggest best automotive channel on tube.👍

@gord7025

2 жыл бұрын

They must have had a good chuckle sending him back up there with the same tires and rims.

@Resistance119

2 жыл бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan these guys are reviewing stock cars and doing a great job... why you hating?

@Brian_Saginashvili_

2 жыл бұрын

@@Resistance119 Exactly!!

Love that you had your honest reaction coming down the hill in the video. Slap some BFG KO2s on and you’ll be fine.

Honestly, the defender did extremely well. Even built rigs had issues and a stick Defender without lockers made it through that trail. Yes they had a flat tire, but bigger tires would solve that and make the car unstoppable. Out of all of the cars here this one is still my favorite. Excellent on-road manners and off-road manners.

@jerrymyahzcat

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The Defender is the BEST of those vehicles. It just needs the right tyres. As a vehicle it’s way better than the other 2.

@mokseee

2 жыл бұрын

Idk, those air suspensions can get punctured faster than you can sai air suspension. Also all those electric traction systems work well for some times until they don't. Abusing the brakes as a replacement for lockers is a perfect way to leave you without brakes and lockers. That doesn't just go with the land rover but with every vehicle with offroad traction control

@RKmndo

2 жыл бұрын

I've driven an open-diffed, unlifted YJ on 30x9.5R15s through Red Cone and Webster Pass...no TCS. The new Defender is an embarrassment. The D90 used to be a real offroader.

@CDuff86

2 жыл бұрын

The Defender is garbage. These new vehicles are totally different and lost most of their capabilities. Air suspension is a nightmare. I have it in my RAM Rebel and it's hot garbage. Yes, being able to level on the fly and change approach angles is nice, but it pales in comparison to my Wrangler. SFA articulation is unmatched. The auto 4x4/AWD is horrible. Offroad, you want it LOCKED into 4x4. When it jumps in and out, they tend to get their innards chewed up. It's unreliable in extreme conditions. I've taken my Wrangler through harder trails with no locker. Shit, I've watched someone do crazy shit and they forgot to engage 4x4. Smaller, narrow, tall vehicles do very well on these technical trails. I do love the Bronco's trail turn assist ... that's some cool tech. I have my eye on a 2 door Badlands but that IFS just makes me cringe

@hugokemp1515

Жыл бұрын

But looks like any other suv , so simple looks and after 2 o 3 years they start with real problems!!

Most people underestimate how top heavy rigs get when you add roof top tents and how it can throw off the center of gravity but this video illustrates it pretty good.

@normt430

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously Toyota is not!

@dickheder4940

2 жыл бұрын

Very good observation 👍👍👍

@TJ-po9ol

2 жыл бұрын

Jeep’s do fine with solid axles & big fender flares. Don’t need more than a 2” lift to run 37’s. Toyota needs a 6” lift to run 35’s 🤮 and still is junk on tough trails with that ifs

@jefftenhave8038

2 жыл бұрын

All IFS rigs as well.

@ScoobyDo2009

2 жыл бұрын

I’d always advocate for an off-road trailer whenever possible. They can make these trails possible when pulling a lot of stuff.

Tommy’s rants are the best! Tommy you don’t give yourself enough credit off-roading. Your new Jeep did great 👍

Actually one of the best real feel off road videos I have ever seen in the many years I have watched YT. I could watch hours of this! Great work Tommy.

Love your passion! You narrate your streams of thought and I really appreciate that. It leads you to sometimes feel slightly guilty in that you may have rushed your opinion, but that's part of what makes it a great review. We hear the good and the bad, which lets us decipher the ugly

I just love Tommy's explosion of incredulity when the Defender blows another tire!

@rcsskier

2 жыл бұрын

Me too, that was some raw emotion right there!

@altergreenhorn

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but those tyres was never meant for that type of off roading, even the car wasn't built for that, namely brake discs are too big to fit a proper (smaller)wheel for the real off road.

@groberts1980

2 жыл бұрын

@@altergreenhorn A Land Rover Defender with the "off road tire package" that wasn't meant for off roading?

@altergreenhorn

2 жыл бұрын

@@groberts1980 Off roading mean off the road if you drive on the golf course you are off roading, last but not the least, don't play stupid for the real off roading you don't use a stock 4x4.

@groberts1980

2 жыл бұрын

@@altergreenhorn It's a Land Rover, known around the world for stellar 4WD systems. I think they made a mistake with the 20" rims on the off-road wheel packages. Oh and Jeeps off-road stock all the time without these issues.

Loved Tommy's rant!!!! Wheel size matters! ✌🏻

@iffykidmn8170

2 жыл бұрын

Could have done without being a drama queen.

@mphilleo

2 жыл бұрын

@@iffykidmn8170, you can't really blame the guy. It's an extremely frustrating, tense moment. Emotions ride high when you're trying to retrieve a $70,000 truck riding on rubber bands. Nothing dramatic about it, just his opinion, which I happen to agree with. He handled it pretty diplomatically, all things considered.

@iffykidmn8170

2 жыл бұрын

@@mphilleo I said queen not king.

@aidenp5768

2 жыл бұрын

Even an X5 from factory have more aggressive tires than this for the off-road packs.

@jerrymyahzcat

2 жыл бұрын

Wheel size doesn’t matter. It’s irrelevant. TYRE size matters. A large 22” rim with an equally huge tyre with good side wall will outperform a 17” with 35 profile tyres!!!

Excellent vid. Remember “if things go according to plan and are uneventful, it wasn’t an adventure.” As you and experienced off-roaders know, the most important modification to any 4WD is decent tyres. Keep up the good work.

Good job guys. You’re really upping your game across the board. Audio, editing, soundtrack. Nice driving Tommy.

And the lesson of the day is save your money and get a two door Wrangler.

@RSDX99

2 жыл бұрын

The real lesson is to get a POS old beat-up Jeep and enjoy yourself. Who wants to beat up 40-70K off-road toys?

@peachpole

2 жыл бұрын

Yep that little thing made it look easy. It doesn’t even have lockers 😂.

@Bacnow

2 жыл бұрын

Or 4 door Wrangler….or 2 door Bronco….or 4 door Bronco…or

@MMID303

2 жыл бұрын

With a lift (2" min) and 35s.

@johnpaulonyeama9931

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bacnow 4 door vehicles are not suited for rock better than 2 doors the 2 door defender would have been a better option here because of its waight

I was dissapointment how far the land Rover made it last episode. After seeing other drivers with better rigs struggle on that rock, I'm impressed the land Rover made it that far.

@johnpaulonyeama9931

2 жыл бұрын

I'm very impressed with the defender because take a note its on 20-inch wheels and also horrible ones to start with it barely scrapped its underpart I'm impressed on the ground clearance the car has the reason why Tommy them get annoyed with the car to me is because its expensive and they cant treat it like other off-roaders

@rvboyett

2 жыл бұрын

Ya, know, you’ve got a point there. If that had the 19” wheels (which are available on the P400) they may have made it all the way. That said, TFL was right to have wanted the 18” steelies in their original order.

@toyotadiesel4970

2 жыл бұрын

Except they've done quite a lot of rock packing for def, like a LOT of rock packing, and none of the other vehicles even tried that. This is funny how everyone completely forgot that part even the TFL guy himself. Also it would have been a breeze for those other cars if they had lockers - so much money spent in the wrong places there :\

@Mk1Male

2 жыл бұрын

@@toyotadiesel4970 Can you point out in the video where this happens? Thanks.

@jusTSangam

2 жыл бұрын

You can't judge a Fish by its ability to Climb a Tree, a Defender is an Off Roader not a Rock Crawler. It's an vehical with open Differencial and a good traction control system, designed to go Off Roading hand in hand with 4x4's. Sometime that is meant to you a drive quality of a car and off raod capibility of an 4x4 with comfort of a SUV. How hard is it to understand, an open differencial vehicals are not made for Rocks Crawling, no matter how good traction control system they have. FYI, I am not trying to defence Defender here but the idoicracy these people are presenting here is untolorable. We have someone as idiot as Tommy presenting his experties on things he has no freaking clue on. I have seen this kid rant, in this Channel for couple of years now, and he seem to be the same clueless kid that he was when he started featuring in this channel. It must be really hard to find some deserving kid to do something like this these day, i guess!! His dad should have started with a Chimps, and by now it would have done a better job.

The thing i respect the most from you guys is that you guys are always working it seems like fun videos but only the fun parts make it on screen all the work to put out so much content and different variations is commendable

You know what. I love TFL they actually test vehicles properly. This video confirms my doubts of the new Defender. It may have good ground clearance and good traction control but at the end of the day you need chunky tyres!!!

Those big heavy overland rigs are awesome for long distance trips but for this type of thing, that 2 door Willys is just perfect.

I appreciate TFL testing the vehicles as they come from the factory. That makes it fair and honest IMO. However, I think it's obvious that anyone who would buy a Defender to take on advanced off-road trails would do a tire and wheel swap right off the bat. It would be interesting to see that if you guys planned to keep it long-term. That white one at the end looks badass.

@Geetee3991

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t go smaller with the wheels because of the size of the brakes. Obviously a bigger tire would help but changing wheels wouldn’t do too much good.

@allanb3222

2 жыл бұрын

@@Geetee3991 you can put 18" wheels on them, that's what's offered here in the UK.

@Geetee3991

2 жыл бұрын

@@allanb3222 not with he 6 cylinder. Only with the 4. If you want an 18” with a 6 you have to do some modification to the brakes.

@lyinginbed

2 жыл бұрын

Than don’t sell a pkg called off road! That simple.

@andreasschaetze2930

2 жыл бұрын

I had a 88 Sahara 4.0l high output with only better protection, 5“ variable suspension and bigger wheels with more rubber on steels and you won’t walk where this thing could go. I’m a fan of driving, so clutch control is king, no little helpers, so much fun. Actually the most fun car I ever had

One of two of the most incredibly educating videos on off-road capability comparisons I’ve ever seen-and the second is your FIRST video in this series!! Thanks so much for the education. I have a Range Rover L405 and use it-not just at valet stands-on the trails of Utah. I had a reservation for the new Defender as soon as Land Rover opened their list. I cancelled it when I watched that nightmare on your first/second Defenders. I promptly put down a deposit on a Bronco. After 15 years of being a Range Rover loyalist, I’m sad to say that Land Rover has forfeited their claim to serious off-roading capability. And they had the chance to again solidify it with the Defender. So very very sad. LAND ROVER: change your *#&*! tire package options!!!

Probably the funniest off road videos I've seen in a while. Tommy's rant was great. Also the Willys Wrangle with Tommy's skills made for the ultimate off road combination on that trail.

Tommy losing his shht is the best 😅 feels very raw and honest also adds to the tension. Thanks TFL for the vid 👍

Tacoma owner: "I spent all this money, I can do ANYTHING!" Trail: "Yes, with $3500 in body damage."

@brianm5753

2 жыл бұрын

Body damage how when you have rock sliders? Edit: Oh. That Taco needed driver mod obviously.

@SimplyCarReviews

2 жыл бұрын

Great job Tommy and great choice in setting up your jeep. You proved how capable a manual transmission Willys can be. Your rust went away the second time over the obstacle. Amazing! Thank you for doing this and showing people you don't need a Rubicon or locking diff all the time... although it does help. Please more videos of your jeep offroad.

@jdpst20

2 жыл бұрын

It's so crazy to see I guess certain people just WANT to do certain trails but there have been a few times I've been in my 2017 Discovery "stock" that I just tell myself it's just not worth scratching my doors, breaking a headlight or tail light or breaking something else. It's nice to see the capability at someone else's expense honestly. I'll stick to more easy/moderate overland trails that I can get to a dispersed camp site and enjoy my beer or whiskey without a damaged truck.

@SimplyCarReviews

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianm5753 I would say that although it was kitted out... the driver did lack would have been more wise to winch over the obstacle than cause damage. There is no shame in it. The winch is a tool you paid for use it. Tacoma is a capable truck but it has a longer wheel base which has a disadvantage in this particular style of obstacle. In other obstacles it can be advantageous.

@beer3029

2 жыл бұрын

How much extra weight was it carrying though?

Gotta love how he made sure to point out that all those “ built” Toyota products were struggling with the obstacle just before walking right up it with a stock Jeep without lockers 😂

@Clean97gti

2 жыл бұрын

Toyota makes good stuff. It's reliable and there is a strong aftermarket but they sure have gotten heavy over the years. The Tacoma of today is a big hefty beast compared to the light Tacos of the late 90s-early 00s. The current Tacoma is almost the same weight as the single cab GM C/K 1500 of the 90s. There is only a few hundred pounds difference (depending on the model) between the two and if you start adding a couple people, a full ice chest, tent(s) recovery gear, etc. you're driving what is in effect, a full size American pickup from 20 years ago. All the TRD gadgets and goodies can't fix that. I know the Jeeps have gotten bigger and heavier too but they retained their solid axles. You can have real lockers from the factory. You can fit big tires without a lot of lift. That's why Jeeps are still the best trail rigs despite the fancy AWD systems in the Bronco and the Land Rover. Rugged and simple just seems to work best.

@davidjones7544

2 жыл бұрын

@@Clean97gti Yeah they've all gotten so huge and heavy in the name of "luxury" and the utility of these vehicles has taken a big hit. Older is now better because of this.

@MrCrismystery

2 жыл бұрын

@@Clean97gti the Bronco has advanced traction management, but it is NOT a fancy AWD system. It is a true 4x4 with locking diffs.

With the music and editing…this was one of the most suspenseful films I’ve seen in quite a while. Thoroughly entertaining and great driving!

Willys killed that! Can’t wait for the next episode, looks fantastic!

This has probably been my favorite off road series from you guys! Awesome driving Tommy!

Really been anxious to see this rescue video. This video and the previous one are two of the most interesting you've ever done.

Watching those other trucks going up that trail made me realize just how legit you guys really are! Good Job

It’s really amazing how capable a 2 door basically stock Jeep is compared to those overland machines. Granted you’re carrying a lot less weight 👍👍

@iankovac1878

2 жыл бұрын

That and IFS sucks for crawling. Toyota head that will SAS just about anything here lol.

@redlinearroyo847

2 жыл бұрын

The mods on those overland machines probably weren't the best for offrroading like that. They added weight high up carrying lots of gear.

@jakecease

2 жыл бұрын

@@redlinearroyo847 most definitely

@iankovac1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@redlinearroyo847 Indeed, overlanders do not make good crawlers. Top heavy, and just plain heavy to start with. I am planning to make a trailer with a U.S. military style receiver.

@mtadc1545

2 жыл бұрын

I reckon if it was TD42 patrol or a diesel land cruiser it would barely have been an issue due to the low end torque. Shame that they’re not available over there.

Someone who's LR is in for service... We are going to need your vehicle for an extra day.

@TheCoffeeField

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@NWI_Steel

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@nlpnt

2 жыл бұрын

Probably came off their courtesy loaner.

man that sequence of tommy's wrangler going up the hill was Awesome. shout out to the videographer and whoever edited it together.

One of your best episodes. Really good illustration of how hard the trail was with the overlanders struggling.

“Dude, that took 100% of my skill. I don’t have much of it, but it took all of it.” Well said Sir! 😂😂😂

Tommy’s Willys looked great.

@V8AmericanMuscleCar

2 жыл бұрын

👍

@1972mercurycougar

2 жыл бұрын

Love that Jeep!😎

@johngrodski4158

2 жыл бұрын

100%

That was an INCREDIBLE bit of trail handling to get that Defender over that rock. Major props to you.

Love that RR gave them 2 wheels to get them down the mountain because they were worried that it might lose another tire in the process. Not sure I have ever been that stressed going down a single obstacle before.

That Willy got some impressive performance.

@regsparkes6507

2 жыл бұрын

Willy?

@regsparkes6507

2 жыл бұрын

@Tom S Oh yes I knew that, I have heard some guys mispronounce that Willys brand name, so maybe it was a typo there.

@JakeFromCLE

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what she said

@regsparkes6507

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeFromCLE Hahaha,.. Perfect!

To me this just cements the Wrangler in the patheon of off-roader status without ever being anything more ot less than Legendary.

@1nine8two39

2 жыл бұрын

Well you can now add the Bronco, the bronco did better as it’s much wider and still didn’t slam into the rock which the Wrangler 4XE did

@dexterrr9163

2 жыл бұрын

@@1nine8two39 bronco costed almost twice as the base jeep

@1nine8two39

2 жыл бұрын

@@dexterrr9163 so what was the 4XE excuse?

@dexterrr9163

2 жыл бұрын

@@1nine8two39 i feel like 4xe is just the expensive trial version of upcoming electric jeeps

@travertinepico751

2 жыл бұрын

@@1nine8two39 I wouldn’t say the bronco did anything better, off road is about picking your lines. The rubicon driver basically just hit it and went, scraping the wheel. No finesse at all, whoever was driving the bronco took more time, used more caution, and got through with no body damage, just a slight scrape on the control arm bracket. Tommy took his time, but the little 2 dr wrangler walked it like it was a parking curb.

I rarely comment, this is worth it. Fantastic. Real and authentic. Thank you for this content!

Thankyou for going to REAL off-road trails. I strongly agree with BFG. If it can win at Baja, we’ll you know.

Seems that articulation is extremely underrated as an attribute for good offroaders. It gives you so much better control as demonstrated by the Wrangler.

@Mk47Ultra

2 жыл бұрын

And that’s because of the solid front axles. That’s why neither the Land Rover or bronco can ever do as much as a wrangler. And all this off-roading is bs since no extreme rock crawler is ever gunna buy the Land Rover or bronco.

@jerrymyahzcat

2 жыл бұрын

Articulation is mostly irrelevant. Traction is what’s important. Half the time a solid axle will articulate but the lower end may be touching the ground but all the weight is on the other end so the drooped end is touching but has 0 grip or traction so it looks like it is doing something but isn’t really. A Land Rover with independent all round can do as much with 1 or 2 wheels cocked. The 4WD system in a Land Rover negates the need for lockers and solid axles which frankly are rubbish on-road.

@danwinder7544

2 жыл бұрын

4 wheels on the floor, or as close the floor as possible is definitely preferable as it gives the vehicle stability. Cockling on two wheels like the new defender does all the time is not a pleasant experience at all I'd take the wranger anytime as a trail vehicle. Not knocking the defender as its excellent at many things but it's out of its comfort zone on trails like this.

@Prestiged_peck

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mk47Ultra and no baja racer is gonna buy an SFA jeep, they both have their advantages

@davidstinson3830

2 жыл бұрын

@@jerrymyahzcat that couldn't be farther from the truth. Almost nothing you said there is true.

The weight of the roof top tents on those rigs were making that boulder obstacle extra sketchy.

@Fix_It_Again_Tony

2 жыл бұрын

At least they got good pictures. I think everyone had a camera.

@davidkaminski615

2 жыл бұрын

I'm slowly preparing my Sequoia for off-road adventures and I am trying really hard not to put weight on the top of the vehicle.

@FreeRangeLemon

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidkaminski615 Are you considering building out the back for a sleeping platform? that would be pretty sweet

@nointernetdinosoursgame2351

2 жыл бұрын

Also no lockers on a couple of them

@davidkaminski615

2 жыл бұрын

@@FreeRangeLemon I've seen it done, but I don't have plans for that kind of mod.

I can’t help but love this kid. Tommy, you give it to us straight, even about your own personal rig. I hope Roman is proud, because his kid is better at this than he is.

Oh I can't wait for the next episode. Would be nice to see the landrover with more practical wheels on it.

Being a fellow Rocky mountain trail driver I agree with Tommy on the short wheel base and narrow footprint. Trails here are not wide open like Moab and in most cases short and narrow is better for our type of trails.

@zxej6879

2 жыл бұрын

I have a '96 Jeep ZJ just for the reason you state. My '16 Ram 1500 4x4 is very nice on most desert trails. But on the rough stuff. The ZJ is the vehicle of choice.

@jerrymyahzcat

2 жыл бұрын

Try a Defender 90 then. If you want to compare short wheelbases.

@mrvwbug4423

2 жыл бұрын

@@jerrymyahzcat D90 with lockers is insanely good, It takes a lifted JK Rubicon to match the articulation. Also makes me interested to see how a 2 door Bronco would fare, it's about the same size as a D90.

Really great and telling video. Wanting to get into off-roading and this honest and real world vid is fantastic. Shows the skills needed and constant learning. Thank you Tommy and Team. Way to go Defender dealer for supporting their great work. (Future Bronco owner...if they can deliver...)

This video demonstrates how capable the new bronco is, it made that trail look not too difficult !

Showing LOVE for the channel thank you for the channel and every thing you-all do on here. Have a Blessed day everyone

Base model wrangler embarrassing those expensive rigs 😆 I love base models!

@Josh-179

2 жыл бұрын

The main benefit was that it was a short wheel base 2-door.

I wouldn't trust a 20" wheel/tire combo to jump a curb in a mall parking lot.

@fallinfreak192

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a 20 with 33.5. Not a 20 with 28s

@StuartA1985

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't be bad with 35" tires. Its the big rim / mediocre tire diameter (and thus small sidewall) that causes the issue.

@svnbit8408

2 жыл бұрын

@@StuartA1985 Then you have to worry about 1 of 100s of modules failing. That vehicle pisses me off.

@falco13007

2 жыл бұрын

Lol my f150 handles curbs great! But I do have 33" ko2s on the factory 20" fx4 wheels...

INCREDIBLE content. I was almost sweating too. This is what the internet is for. I still love the Defender but I am too old for the trails you are talking about. I need a winter capable cruiser for Northern Canada and I will do that. Big props to the Jeep and Bronco.

These guys should try the trails in Washington! We have entire trails just like that first rock obstacle. He did great getting them down. Definitely will take my Grey Goat on this trail someday! Next episode looks awesome!! We just did Grouse Creek in Mullan, ID and it was rated a 9. Video to come soon!

Dang that Tacoma look like it would have flipped if that rock wasn't there.

@yotagang3705

2 жыл бұрын

so much cringe, you can tell hes a broverlander

@jaforsel

2 жыл бұрын

@@yotagang3705 he is in fact not. Owner of JCR off-road and Victory 4x4. Sometimes shit happens. Especially if you are being rushed.

@yotagang3705

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaforsel well the truck looks broverlanderish. Not even proper bumpers theyre stock

@emi123nem

2 жыл бұрын

Yup those things are flippy

@yotagang3705

2 жыл бұрын

@@suresh0t nah bro needs better uca and a rear bumper and front

Great job guys, Tommy that was a great rant. Without the "Great Interrupter"butting in all the time, it made for a great video. The wheel and tire combination on the Defender were the same as playing soccer wearing sandals, a bad idea that everyone can see but some clown has to try to prove himself right. Ego vs reality.

@mxerb5912

2 жыл бұрын

😂 which one is the great interrupter?

@anthonyc1883

2 жыл бұрын

@@mxerb5912 That would be Roman. He got hammered in the comments of yesterday's video of him and Andre doing a walkaround with the new Nissan Frontier and the current Toyota Tacoma.

@mxerb5912

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyc1883 usually it’s Nathan that everyone can’t stand

@Beary98

2 жыл бұрын

Roman seems nice..also seems like he thinks everyone wants to hear HIS opinion above all others...

@SkyFoxMarine

2 жыл бұрын

@@mxerb5912 Weird, Nathan is the one I tend to like the most, with Tommy a close second. I honestly think an off-road video with those two would be excellent.

Excited to see your stock JL go up against the same stuff as the Sasquatch Bronco!

The winner in all of this has to be Tommy's Jeep. It's like a modern version of the Suzuki Samurai you guys had on the channel a little while ago.

@salvador_mano4x4

2 жыл бұрын

Shame suzuki won't sell new jimny in América, only way to get one into the states is to get some mexican tourist one like the one tested by doug demuro some weeks ago

Finally a real off-road review by TFL. Use this trail more!

Am I the only one yelling at my TV saying “GO TOMMY GO!!”? Good use of your experience and skill to get the defender out of there. Nice job, guys!

I love your videos. All home grown, real, humble and honest. The altitude would have most passing out instead of trotting up the trail. Good Boulder lungs!

As a serial Land Rover owner and as someone who actually uses their Land Rover off road the best advice I learned from the people at JLR is “as slow as possible, fast as necessary.”

Tommy talks about vehicles while off-roading them like Chris Harris talks about vehicles while drifting them!

@The_Opinion_of_Matt

2 жыл бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan Well, that's not nice to Tommy!

@The_Opinion_of_Matt

2 жыл бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan And what driving skills do you possess that gives the expertise to criticize the driving skills of another?

@The_Opinion_of_Matt

2 жыл бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan You drive 60,000 miles a year. Well I guess that means that you can drift like Chris Harris. Or did you mean 60,000 miles a year off road? A OTR Trucker and hot shot drivers do 100,000 miles a year at least. I've done 60,000 miles a year as a field service technician. I also have a motorcycle license, and have competed in autocross (videos on my channel) with the SCCA. I did commercial lawnmowing when I was in High School and I am quite adept with a zero turn mower. I was stationed in Japan for two years and had a drivers license while I was there so I've driven on the opposite side of the road and the '92 Honda Prelude I had was a manual transmission, so I was shifting with my left hand. I've had a drivers license since 1996 and when I had my learners permit my dad had me drive his 1985 Honda Civic sedan 5-speed (with all of 60 hp) on the DC Beltway. I've towed everything from lawnmower trailers to my M1102 HUMVEE trailer, to car haulers, multiple enclosed cargo trailers the largest of which was 24' long and 8' wide inside, to my camper which is 36'6" from hitch to bumper. What I don't have a lot of experience doing is driving off road, so I don't criticize people with more off road experience than me. So again, what expertise do you have to criticize Tommy's off road skills? Your "I drive 60,000 miles a year for work" doesn't impress me.

@krasnaludek298

2 жыл бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan Tommy has solid off-road skills; would like haters such as you to try our trails here in the Tahoe forest & be humbled real quick.

@krasnaludek298

2 жыл бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan Based on your soy tag name - you’re lying. Take your negativity elsewhere.

Great job buddy!! As a p400 owner I have to agree with everything you said about the tires. My Defender is mostly used on sand and it’s amazing. I honestly would never attempt this trail and I doubt most offroaders would as well. I have felt in the past that you’ve been a bit biased against the Defender. Not at all this time. Great job, mad skills. !

I came so close to buying a JL wrangler sport but in the end I went Rubicon. This video really shows me that I made the right decision. Less than 300 miles and already dragged my rear diff on a rock!

Tommy, I love your new ride. Congratulations!

lol stock 2dr wrangler blowing past that "gnarly" rock section that hung up everything else. well done Jeep, well done.

@ADirtyScrub

2 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say the same thing, the base model JL doing what 70K+ Toyota rigs can't. Bigger isn't always better when it comes to offroad.

@dougmhenriksen

2 жыл бұрын

Those imports were all set up as ovetlanders, which is a terrible idea for rocky steep terrain unless you unload them before you go.

@jerrymyahzcat

2 жыл бұрын

It scraped. Both Jeeps scraped and so did the Bronco. Only the Defender actually cleared it (on the way up).

Buy a cheap offroader and don't care about it

@michelt4390

2 жыл бұрын

Something like a Suzuki Samurai/Jimny...

@SkyFoxMarine

2 жыл бұрын

@@michelt4390 I miss having the Samurai in the U.S.

I used to own a tj- added a 2-1/2” budget lift- was the best thing I ever did to it. Still only ran 31x10.5 but quit scraping and bottoming out on stuff. A little 2 door wrangler “stock plus” as an amazing little vehicle

Love that rant!!

I'm not a big jeep fan but seeing that silly Tacoma with all that junk on it get smashed up and then the wrangler just handle it easily was pretty impressive. That Land Rover should be called the mall crawler not the defender.

@Austin-iq7ds

2 жыл бұрын

What killed me about that Tacoma was they were clearly not using the advanced 4x4 tech that a TRD pro has. It looks like the rear diff wasn’t locked, which would’ve helped. And it’s clear the multi terrain select (advanced version of A-Trac - brake based limited slip) was not on as only one front wheel was spinning. The Tacoma could’ve gotten up that a lot easier, though not as easy as the wrangler

@MidnughtMerauders

2 жыл бұрын

@@Austin-iq7ds exactly. Didn't look like anyone in the group other than the land cruiser knew what atrac/mts was

@Ww8.3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Austin-iq7ds Tacoma driver probably was in 4hi lolol terrible driving

@hondah22a2

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t get it, the Land Rover cleared he rock that the Tacoma was stuck on. And it was stock without a real locker. How is that a mall crawler? Throw some smaller wheels on it and real tires and it will do anything the Jeep and Bronco do.

Yup, off roading is no fun when you are constantly worrying about your vehicle failing you.

@johnpaulonyeama9931

2 жыл бұрын

this has nothing to do with vehicles but tires everyone knows how bad those tires are and yet TfL took it to such a terrain if any of those other vehicles were on 20-inch wheels they won't even make it past the first obstacle and don't forget the defender is 2.4 tons and hardy scratched its bottom plate tbh Tommy hates the defender he is always lamenting about it even though it does a very good job

@fgougeon3268

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnpaulonyeama9931 They get a shit ton of views from those "oh my gawd the defender is broken lol" videos, that's why

You took that obstacle very cleanly with that willys. Good job. The 2 door Wrangler is truly something, I hope it remains that way.

Not going to lie, best off-road vehicle I've ever been in for stuff like this...an old Suzuki Samurai with a minor lift and some chonky tires. We used to run two of them in NC back in my college days. Both busted, cheap, manual transmissions...and they just worked.

Cool to watch Tommy's stock jeep go where those built rigs struggled. Too bad about the Defender, but impressive that it too went over an obstacle those built rigs struggled with. Certainly need better tires and would benefit from downsizing, although in know clearance over the brakes is an issue with the bigger brakes the 6 cylinder has.

@johnpaulonyeama9931

2 жыл бұрын

your the first person that spoke the truth in this comment section finally

@michelt4390

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Bigger isn't always better

Well the 'Land rover of Dever' took excellent care to help you out. They actually have been great from the start( I remember how it all started ).

@ForkInTheButt

2 жыл бұрын

The question is, would they do the same for a regular guy and not a big youtube channel?

Your short wheelbase made that obstacle look easy! Good driving!!

Super impressed with what that little Jeep can do

Tommy really put his off-roading still to the test with this one

Craziness...I still can't believe LR puts those tires and rims on that Defender...

@2011blueman

2 жыл бұрын

AND called it their "off-road package", when the steelies on the base are the actual true off-road wheels.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh, it's a Defender... Are Land Rover waved or something, they better offer a 16/18 extreme variant sharpish. . This is ridiculous.

@highjix

2 жыл бұрын

this is a case of knowing your customer and I could be very wrong, but landrover probably believes most of their customer are not going to go off roading in their cars on trails like that, and like someone else mentioned will stay in the mall parking lot. After typing that, I imagine that in other countries that use their SUV's for something other then mall crawling, they probably have more capable packages available.

@bindingcurve

2 жыл бұрын

@@highjix Rock crawling is an American sickness. We pick the hardest path, not the simpler one. In most of the world, people off-road to go places, in America, people off-road to see if they can break the truck.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

@@highjix Still, if you sell something like the Defender and market it as the best ever SUV/Off Roader or whatever, people are gonna test that and if they find irremediable flaws in it, then that's on JLR. JLR would do well to make sure what they design, takes into account for those that are actually testing for its USP.

Pretty cool, great adventure, enjoyable video. Thanks for sharing, keep the great videos coming. I really like the new Wrangler.

Another excellent video! I can't wait for part three!

This adventure you have there remembers me when I was working at the Peruvian Amazon jungle, in some roads like that one, in a Ford Ranger 2013 (3.2 diesel) with 1.5 ton on the bed. Good times... Really hard to go over rocks like those.

That was stressful just watching....great job...you are the man !!

That was Victory 4X4 in the Tacoma! Great guys with a great company!

this video made me think twice about the Willys Jeep, which I thought was built almost exclusively for mall-crawling and gravel-grade off-roading. What a beast. I guess a Jeep is still a Jeep no matter the outfit it's wearing.

20s- Defender’s Achilles wheel. 🤣

Great video-can’t wait for the next one with the modified Defender

Damn Tommy you're to modest. You did great and have mad skill! You also showed what difference a limited slip rear end makes compared to open diffs. Good job man! Loved seeing that stock Jeep out wheel the others!

Another great vid! Amazing what a stock Willys can do; even with a manual transmission. LSDs don’t get enough credit IMO. Loved the parting scene...

This is the content I’m here for. Pushing limits, raw reviews, and improvisation. Excellent!

You did it great!

What a cliffhanger you guys left us with at the end of your preview for Part 3!