3rd Defender?? Are you kidding me ..Holy Crap ..TFL .. dang ..

@PrzemyslawSliwinski

3 жыл бұрын

3rd... and counting?

@junsimons

3 жыл бұрын

@Big Crunch lmaooo

@armandoarmenta1942

3 жыл бұрын

HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY CUT A WIRING OMFG I WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MAD

@ethanol1586

3 жыл бұрын

They're gonna introduce the 4th defender in their next video update when the 3rd one inexplicably breaks.

@throttleblip1

3 жыл бұрын

@Big Crunch just a reminder those are bought...not given...perfect example best car from 95 was a dodge stratus...

In Land Rover's defense, being in the shop and on a lift technically qualifies as being _"Off Road"_ 😂😁

@mikefoehr235

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man...BITING SARCASM. I love it👍🤣

@J.Young808

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 ROTFLOL

@kadimsilahtar

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@thephatinthehat

3 жыл бұрын

Too soon. Too soon 😂🤣

@MilanStier

3 жыл бұрын

NOOOOOOOOOO

Forget your road trip, this is the actual "To Hell and Back" series.

@LessTrustMoreTruth

3 жыл бұрын

By now, Doug Demuro is definitely rethinking his new daily driver

@MichaelMiller-rg6or

3 жыл бұрын

You aint lyin’

@andressastoque6183

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@trehanpereraofficial5665

3 жыл бұрын

@@LessTrustMoreTruth 😂😂

@0cujo0

3 жыл бұрын

To the DMV and back...

The spirit of Lucas Electrics lives. Keeping Tow Truck drivers employed for over 70 years.

@m3chanist

3 жыл бұрын

No mere spirit. Lucas, Lord of Darkness

@jamesdevrees8663

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Lucas AKA "The Prince of Darkness".

@stevenray787

3 жыл бұрын

Towed for a dealership in Denver 08-12,,, made mad money off all rovers. There's reasons you can buy a five year old Rover for less than half original sticker

@HIOP0

3 жыл бұрын

From any certified, official sources, prove the input from "Lucas Electrics"

LR Dealership says “ we’ve never actually installed a winch before” ... Land Rover. It’s unfortunate that this shows how far from the off-road world they’ve strayed. Stay in the fight guys. I love your series.

The check engine light just lets you know your Land Rover is running. A Land Rover without one has a dead battery.

@TeamWombatMTB

3 жыл бұрын

Agree on our LR3 the check engine light has been on for 6 years. No one is able to fix but no problems,it's an LR thing. Take some black tape over the light fixed👍

@MisterHughes

3 жыл бұрын

Takes me back to the Triumph Bonneville days: if it's not leaking oil, it's run out of oil.

@jimmyjames8736

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. Very practical. I guess it is always good to know that at least one electrical item is functioning.

@hinken24

3 жыл бұрын

A CEL light would fail your car in a swedish MOT test. Unless the car is made before 2002.

@bryanmartinez6600

3 жыл бұрын

@@hinken24 just tell them to pop the hood to see it's there

Either way, this story is more interesting than an actual Defender going off-road.

@Elijah-cy9do

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@ericbrandt8675

3 жыл бұрын

What an advertisement for Jag Off Motors.....YEAH GIMME SOME O DAT! Chevy ZR2 for me!

@hair2050

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. 😂. I am far more interested following this story than any of their reviews. Which to be honest aren’t that good 😬

You're getting the full Land Rover experience! This is the norm!

This Defender makes a Dodge Journey's reliability look like a 4runner

@henryviiifake8244

3 жыл бұрын

@@FD-rh6tr That's... that's the point.

@michaelknopp2471

2 жыл бұрын

Ha,ha,ha, I'll keep my fourrunner, this is a good reality check.

You don’t need the Defender for content. It’s already a gold mine. I love this tragedy and can’t wait for the next update.

@chir0pter

3 жыл бұрын

TFL need to pin this true comment 😆

@toninocars

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, bought on purpose and the game goes on better than scenario

@bobtawiligar

3 жыл бұрын

Next video "The wheels fell off. Maybe the fourth time will be the charm."

After all these videos, Land Rover is gonna need a public defender.

@bearpaw7603

3 жыл бұрын

Nice best one and totally on point

@richardguerra5281

3 жыл бұрын

This is *chefs kiss*

@trevornewkirk3224

3 жыл бұрын

🤣👍 perfect!

@Dmeech100

3 жыл бұрын

Wealthy soccer moms don’t watch TFL, these will fly off the lot just fine.

@paystyles5429

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dmeech100 sadly

don't think anybody's ever gonna buy a Defender after this, great marketing JLR!

Imagine if this happened to just a regular joe!! None of the offer's would've happened

@Middle_fingerr

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine you have two kids. You give one kid a candy and another a better and healthy food..... Would you do that partiality to your own kids ( Having a same mother ofcouse ) Would you??? If you understand my message get beer tonight or go get a life and have your mothers Brest milk...

@jaredchampagne2752

3 жыл бұрын

@@Middle_fingerr damn dude you are getting triggered over every comment in this thread, what the hell is your problem? The original commentor is 100% right, if they weren’t a car reviewer, they would’ve been treated like garbage and been told to DEAL with it, since they already had their money.

Jesus, if you didn't have a channel, I wonder what your experience would be like.

@THEjasonTDI

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly? The same. They take care of them while under warranty. This is so common with these and all the line. So many issues. Engines, software and wiring. Good friend is a master tech and the stories he can tell. The issue is keeping techs anywhere. They spend so much diag time they can't make any money. JLR corp stance is all the dealers should salary the techs like the rest of the world. Old school US dealers won't. Mechanic has a $200 paycheck. Couple of those are enough to quit and go to a line that isn't junk.

@THEjasonTDI

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakey20022 we have a Cherokee Overland, a 19' with the 2.0t motor, the off road suspension, skid plates etc 28 months, zero issues. None. And it was $20k less.

@PlumbNutz

3 жыл бұрын

😦

@jakey20022

3 жыл бұрын

@@THEjasonTDI Great SUV . If I buy a Cherokee I would get a v6 . I had a ZJ back in college loved that Jeep.

@verliebt3465

3 жыл бұрын

@@THEjasonTDI In your dreams. They would blame you as the owner for misusing the car, like my BMW dealer. They will fix it under warranty but they'll first order the parts sometimes 2-3 days other times 1 week and call back to set an appoitment when those are in, usually 1 or 2 weeks after that. Sometimes they'll be "waiting for parts" for 3 weeks or more and not notify you untill you call them and hear, "yeah, the part just came in yesterday" and won't offer any curtesy car for you, to be able to go to work or not just wait there. Also they will do the bare minimum to get the issues to be gone when you pick the car but the faults will comeback after 1 month or 2 at the most. And as soon as the car is out of warranty and the same issue, you visited them for 6 times, reappears, they'll want to charge you full price. Also for another reaccuring fault, after you pay for an "inspection" they'll charge the full rate and offer 3 possible causes for the issue.

13:04 "I would just love to get a Defender, because i´m out there watching other people doing Defender videos, this is a competitive business, and we want to be part of that conversation" Don´t worry about that, guys. You´re doing the best Defender review of them all, trust me.

@desertaliend_b9840

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. I’m sure we will here from Doug and how he’s having problems too.

@scldma114

3 жыл бұрын

So true 👍🏻

@1964robw

3 жыл бұрын

If you are not confident that you can get it back from a trip, its not an off road vehicle, or any vehicle for that matter.

Hi TFL. Been great watching your attempt to review the new Defender. Just so you know, this is not an isolated event! I live in the UK and am now on my second Defender! Like you, I picked up ay new P300 S in June and within 30 days it was back at the dealer. Had to have a new windscreen due to seals buckling, but the main reason for return was that the Maps on the interactive dash were not working! Long story short, it went back to the dealer three further times, needed a new module and was at the shop more than I had it, so I rejected it. Fortunately I am now in a new P300 SE, which I collected in October, so far no issues. Why didn't I just get another brand, well because I love Land Rover and have owned Puma engine Defender, 2 Disco 4's, RR Vogue and Disco 5. Got to say, the new Defender I'm now in is Brilliant and in my opinion there is nothing (in the UK market) to touch it! Good luck with your third replacement! Looking forward to tuning in. From the UK - Best regards

I'll be taking this off my list of cars I couldn't afford to begin with.

As they say over here in Europe, 80% of the Defenders are still on the road, the remaining 20% made it back to the workshop...

@Joricano

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@robertlee9395

3 жыл бұрын

80 % are still on the side of the road, the other 20% are in the shop.

@cyclemoto8744

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertlee9395 That's what Nikolas said. Anyone who couldn't work it out doesn't deserve the clarification which you provided ;)

@martinhawkes2823

3 жыл бұрын

Not a real one because you can fix them,

@Conan3145

3 жыл бұрын

Nice. 😀

Imagine someone trying to install winch in their driveway, accidentally cut that same harness. The parts guy on the phone says.. you have to buy new defender to get that harness 😆.

@candlercando

3 жыл бұрын

Ouch!

@stevejones5999

3 жыл бұрын

Yes frankly that is pretty disturbing. It's one thing that the harness got cut - it's another thing that cutting the harness can't be fixed!

@trevornewkirk3224

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Nothing on an off-road vehicle should be irreplaceable!

@minivanmaster

3 жыл бұрын

Truly an absurd scenario. How hard is it to make an install "idiot proof" where you can avoid running into such massive issues

@LordTechPro

3 жыл бұрын

Except, I think the harness is not actually "irreplaceable". JLR simply don't want to deliver a less than perfect Defender and don't want to be held responsible for the sheer idiocies the dealer is showing

Just dump this entire project already, and get new Bronco Sport.

@atillamaster09

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck trying to resell your Defender after the series. 😀

@kdrguru

3 жыл бұрын

Or if you want reliable, a 4Runner

@Middle_fingerr

3 жыл бұрын

Yaaa when Ford owned JLR its reputation came and down below earth.. Still poor ownership effect are seen till date.... It’s a proof that Ford can’t make cars... Ford is just alive because Americans keep buying Ford cars Which is tooooooo hard for you guys to digest

@Middle_fingerr

3 жыл бұрын

Go get a life. You should definitely go FU*K yourself

@Middle_fingerr

3 жыл бұрын

@@atillamaster09 same goes for all top end cars not just Land Rover. Grow up kid

The check engine light is part of the Defender's lighting system.. it is suppose to be on all the time!

Just the fact that there's a harness which CANNOT be replaced and renders the entire vehicle useless is super scary.

@Jaml321

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, what do they mean with "can't be replaced". Any 1. year electronics student should be able to solder a few cables back together. This is ridiculous. How incompetent can a company get. Wait... don't answer that, we already know.

@keithnewton8981

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair if the main wiring harness on all modern cars once damaged is more expensive to replace than getting a new car. It's not that they cannot be replaced they can but the cost to replace and the time it would take us in economical this is the be as my e for Toyota GM ford Kia hyundia VAG etc it's not JLR issue it all motor manufacturer. The wiring harness are so complex be and fragile pre fitting. They have to be kept hot in heated jackets if your be watch the production the wiring harness are kept heated right up the very last minute the assembly workers have a limited time to fit before they get to cold to fit.

@taiundoo8435

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithnewton8981 hyundai kia goes the extra mile to make things 'fixable'. Most of their cars can have their harnesses replaced for a reasonable price from bluehands. Try changing an airfilter on a hyundai and you will lnow what I mean by they go the extra mile.

@LordTechPro

3 жыл бұрын

It most probably is replaceable! However, the Defender would not be brand new or factory fresh if it was replaced. The dealer should be held accountable for the shoddy quality of work that led to the harness being cut. If the dealer had thoroughly inspected the first white Defender with steel rims, JLR would have replaced it with a new one and saved the customer the hassle of going through this lengthy process

@jalava78

3 жыл бұрын

They probably cut into some main harness that has branch points deep into the car requiring removal of engine or something

Land Rover's new slogan: We build three, to sell you one.

@dwcheshire

3 жыл бұрын

I think you have to own at least three, two in the shop and one to drive.

@casperhansen826

3 жыл бұрын

A perfect fit for Denmark where you pay for three cars and gets one.

@neoxu8588

3 жыл бұрын

They'll probably fix the other two and sell them to individual buyers. They know TFL is media.

@frostytaco8598

3 жыл бұрын

@@neoxu8588 They will be sold for cheap after this video exposing them.

@raymondallo9947

3 жыл бұрын

My father-inlaws brother used them in the Australian Army Survey core, They said you go out with three and come back with two. The third was used for spare parts. Now I can imagine they would have abused the hell out of them.

So the dealer totaled a new Defender while installing a winch ?

@paddyomaddy

3 жыл бұрын

Good thing they did not get then to replace the engine on the original one :)

@Ptro1

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds fishy to me also. Probably another issue and they are trying to save face

@travcool1991

3 жыл бұрын

If they cut the loom it's entirely possible. Crazy shit.

@chrisss73841

3 жыл бұрын

@@travcool1991 probably fiber optics, I bet. A good mechanic and an IT guy could repair it, I'm sure. But the dealer doesn't fix wires, only replaces harnesses. So if someone damaged the harness and they couldn't get you a new one, the dealer just bought your car. I would've towed it to an indie shop to fix it and tell JLR to drop me a few grand for the hassle.

@jerrygundrum1

3 жыл бұрын

@@travcool1991 it is just a wire harness it should be able to be repaired. I suspect they blew up something more important when they cut the harness

I’m so glad I declined the $90K Defender earlier this year. The Suburban still going strong with 240Kmiles!!!

@Middle_fingerr

3 жыл бұрын

Not only your car can do 240K miles... WTF you are commenting about really... but damn some people are soo cheap and poor

@ashes2ashes863

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, these damn unreliable American cars that just keep being reliable anyway...sigh. lol

@jaredchampagne2752

3 жыл бұрын

@@Middle_fingerr another triggered bitter comment, you’re really mad at the world, you just rage at everyone for no reason. Get a therapist pal.

@tszailer

3 жыл бұрын

Check on oil consumption and fuel/oil dilution

I'm gonna start using "it's operating outside of its parameters" to describe anything going wrong in my life.

@AggiePhil

3 жыл бұрын

^its

@alanbradford3130

3 жыл бұрын

Makes you sound like a robot!

@michaelsprinzeles4022

3 жыл бұрын

@@AggiePhil You should be more clear. There are 2 "it's" in the sentence. Only the second is wrong;)

@RAJohnson713

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@Channel-yq6qy

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsprinzeles4022 fixed:)

The ultimate off-roader... it's been off the road for weeks now.

Surely you can’t be surprised by this? The only surprising part is they have tried so hard to help you out but I guess that can be explained by the fact you have a KZread channel. Good luck guys 👍🏻

Many years ago, when i was a National Trust Warden, we took delivery of a then new Defender, that had stood overnight in the rain. When i opened the door, it was saturated inside, as the roof and window joints leaked so much. I had to go buy a tube of Silicon sealant, and seal it myself. However, in the Army, in the early 70's we never had a problem with our Land Rovers, they were much simpler in those days.

Imagine a regular customer getting all this trouble, this is beyond unacceptable.

@mikefrancis6861

3 жыл бұрын

Thats part of owning a pile of shit land rover. They are junk new.

@LordTechPro

3 жыл бұрын

They would get the same treatment if the vehicle is under warranty. You can blame JLR for all the problems here but the real issue lies with the dealer who sold TFL the new Defender. Is the dealer so incompetent that they take delivery of a non-serviceable SUV? Is the dealer so incompetent that they can't fix a winch onto the Defender? The truth is that the dealership doesn't care because the manufacturer is the one everyone will blame

@theyoutuber273

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who bought it deserves it

0.0 chance any of us would have gotten this service.

@rafaelbautista2863

3 жыл бұрын

Right? Yeah back when I was dumb I bought a freeloader...I mean Freelander. What a turd. 58,000 miles, 8k out of warranty, the head gasket blows. A coworker's husband who worked at a nearby dealer told me on the down low "yeah we've seen some of these having that problem". Same dealer says "you need an new engine, it's 8,000, we'll do it for 7,000". I say F*&k off. Take it to local British car guy who tells me my car is "the most pathetic engineering project he's ever seen" and he's been working on nothing but British cars for 30 years. Spend 4,000 to fix it, it's still not 100%. Considered running it off a cliff but ended up trading it in and taking it in the shorts. What a joke...on me. Never again.

@bryanmartinez6600

3 жыл бұрын

@@rafaelbautista2863 shoulda bought a 4runner And for $8k you could add some serious suspension

@Luca_Natoli

3 жыл бұрын

Very, very true.

@paulfazi

3 жыл бұрын

My neighbor brought one home, died the next morning, had to be towed away. It’s been 1 month and he’s still in a rental.

@rafaelbautista2863

3 жыл бұрын

@@bryanmartinez6600 true that, if I had bought one then it would be "vintage" and I'd still have it. I have a 2017 Tacoma now.

Can't give it a bad review if it don't run long enough to test 🤔. Well played land-rover, well played!

Don’t worry about losing your competitive edge, from what I’ve seen you’ve got the best Defender video yet.

Few years ago in the North Atlantic : Rose : - Jack, is the ship sinking? - Jack : - No, Rose, it's operating outside of its parameters -

@arefeshghi

3 жыл бұрын

:)))))) Nice one!

Land Rover is selling more Broncos, Jeeps, and 4R than their own vehicles. xD

Here's your review: "Don't buy a Land Rover Defender. They are garbage."

@koitorob

3 жыл бұрын

The new ones, yes! The old ones are currently the fifth most stolen vehicle in GB!

@lifeinrussia1991

3 жыл бұрын

All JLR products are complete trash. Even the notoriously biased British motoring press acknowledge how unreliable these pieces of crap are!

@stevenoff-road4685

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯

@nytridr

3 жыл бұрын

@@koitorob Because they're easy to break into. Even the old ones are garbage. The English just cannot build reliable automobiles.

@curtisgoodwin8962

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and saved 16 minutes of my life listening to repetitive babbling!

Sitting in a room talking about a car you don't have access to is the most realistic review possible. Saving a lot of people the inconvenience of living through this themselves.

The irony is your “our broken Defender” videos will likely have more views then other channel’s review videos and your own review videos. Unique content that others can’t make.

@brendanreary9142

3 жыл бұрын

A broken down Land Rover is not exactly unique.

@mattphillips1910

3 жыл бұрын

@@brendanreary9142 You beat me to it. That's exactly right. What would be totally unusual is a Land Rover that DOESN'T break.

@kfxnando

3 жыл бұрын

@@brendanreary9142 LOL

Folks..this is why you don’t buy Land Rover trash. If this was a regular person they would have left them out to dry.

@jorgeguilherme

3 жыл бұрын

If they didnt had the KZread channel they were screwed.

@V8AmericanMuscleCar

3 жыл бұрын

@@jorgeguilherme big KZread channel.

@Aron-ru5zk

3 жыл бұрын

Most of this seems down to the idiots at the dealership.

As an embarrassed Englishman, there’s 2 things I’ve learned from this. A) I’m not buying a Defender even though I really wanted it to be so good, and B) The wife and I are sticking to our 2 Toyotas.

I hope it works out, you 2 are so patient. I was considering this rig. Thanks for the update good luck.

They killed a whole Defender trying to install a winch?? How incompetent.

@JonnyRicter

3 жыл бұрын

nickhastapee I don't buy it. I have a feeling the replacement Defender had the same engine failure as the original.

@jesusdiaz82

3 жыл бұрын

@@JonnyRicter yep.

@thomasbeveridge8144

3 жыл бұрын

I mean really, how hard could it be? How on earth to do cut a wiring harness and render the entire vehicle inoperable???

@XNEVERLIFTX

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an excuse. Winch = 2 wires.

@pbenjlo

3 жыл бұрын

And they took a week to install it... what a waste of time. No wonder why those cars are overpriced crap, they are assembled by idiots.

The level of incompetence from Land Rover is truly next level. Bravo, Land Rover, Bravo. **slow clap**

I actually have a DEFENDER 110. I’ll have to tell you. Your issues is not the norm. I have had zero issues with my Defender. It has been a fantastic vehicle. Truly in love with it. I mean there can be a bad apple in any mass production of a product. Does not matter if it is an iPhone, a PlayStation, or a vehicle. It certainly sounds like you received a bad apple in the bunch. I feel bad for you, but this is far from the norm. The DEFENDER is great and I am loving my ride.

I'd say you got your review right there. You need to feel confident that your off-road vehicle get you from A to B. As of now the Defender has taken well over 40 days to get to the startingline. Sure, great customer experience and care, but bottom line, still no car and endless trouble with them. Best of luck to you! Thanks for some great content.

This is FAAAAR more informative and entertaining than any Defender review. I'm really glad I took that vehicle off my shopping list. We'll keep waiting for the Warthog.

@jevgeniardassov

3 жыл бұрын

This is Defender review, it is just in for longer than a few days and that’s how the longterm review will go all the time...

You should film a new series called "Tales from dealer"

@SimonPhillips76

3 жыл бұрын

Would be more accurately titled “Lies From The Dealership”.

I sure am glad I came across this video. I'm in the market for a $70k +/- vehicle. I didn't want to wait for the Bronco so I started looking at the Defender as I love the way it looks. I've heard all the horror stories of LR reliability problems but thought they were a thing of the past...I guess not. 2021 F150 Platinum it is!

"...engine operating outside its set parameters..." equals "...the effing thing is broken..." I can imagine what an ordinary buyer would be going through...

@carlosmarcano8924

3 жыл бұрын

100% right I bet they would not be giving an ordinary buyer that many potions .

@jonsmith1259

3 жыл бұрын

It would be: "You abused it by taking off road during the break-in period, therefore, you voided the warranty"

@israelgaribay9216

3 жыл бұрын

Engineer: "we've experienced an anomaly" Mechanic: "this shit's dead"

@groosbro1

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith1259 Nope, that wouldn't fly. If they brought the car back with 1K blowing smoke with no oil in the crankcase and a scratched up bottom then maybe. With less than 200 miles on the clock, not a chance.

@VK-vm4xe

3 жыл бұрын

How is it possible that they have to change the whole engine? When I bought my used Toyota Hilux I was also looking at used Defenders (the old model of course) and Mercedes G. Only in the used Defenders it was common that the whole engine had been replaced.

Imagine the nightmare the average joe off the street would be enduring at this moment.... The level of support the average buyer gets after purchase is magnitudes worse than this and this is literally a nightmare. To hell and back should be what you call the buying experience.

@nnichols8358

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t get enough thumbs up on your comment!!!

@Saeglopur89

3 жыл бұрын

That is why we should always avoid being first buyers of car new like that. Specially when it's British :D

@bordercanoe

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. If it was not someone high profile they would just fob you off. I went and test drove the new defender and it was a nice vehicle but I could feel my bank account emptying rapidly with the garage bills.

@Chief_5

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@bordercanoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@Saeglopur89 I agree. The old ones are awesome though and keep rolling on. Landrover take the credit but it's the dedicated enthusiasts that keep them going. 75% of all landrovers ever made pre 1990 are still going.

I'm sure this is really frustrating for these guys but it really IS making for some great content. Already a subscriber but was alerted to all this via comments on a channel unrelated to TFL. Crazy stuff!

“I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. “- narrator

Your video series has started!! What a great story. Not what you expected, but it's a great story. I hope it turns out well.

@rcajavus8141

3 жыл бұрын

so far, a perfectly normal Land Rover experience, right? :D

@smo2001

3 жыл бұрын

Good to see you here Andrew unfortunately I missed you at the Perth 4wd show

@anthonybostock4854

3 жыл бұрын

Great to see Andrew is watching and following this story.

@MCV0RD

3 жыл бұрын

Hope this stops Andrew’s thoughts of a defender build

@firebir11

3 жыл бұрын

Defender.....of.....the parking space

What a nightmare. Just imagine what would this be like for a regular customer without a successful KZread channel

@gglen2141

3 жыл бұрын

It'd involve a Land Rover Technician yelling "It rubs the lotion on its' skin, or it gets the hose again" down a deep hole in the ground.

@FranciscoRamos13

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

Here in the UK, they used to say that if you like driving a dealers courtesy car buy a Land Rover. They are not an off road car, they are for picking the kids up from school. If you want an off road car, get a Toyota.

My wife has been eyeing similar one for a bit now but honestly every time I see an update on your channel I tell her we will see it next week lol ...

I heard land rovers were unreliable, but this is just ridiculous

@Silvia0073

3 жыл бұрын

These are actually the more reliable ones... lol.

@ruk2023--

3 жыл бұрын

@@Silvia0073 Nick Murray had a similar set of circumstances with a Porsche 911. Somethings just fall apart and keep falling. Rovers aren't particularly reliable but this set of problems is definitely beyond the norm.

@adelaideautowashes

3 жыл бұрын

In theory, any car should be reliable if you service them at the correct intervals and take general care of it. I guess Land Rover is an exception, strangely.

@grantmctaggart9942

3 жыл бұрын

Here in Australia it dead set isn’t unusual in the summer that when people test drive the cunts from the dealership a check engine light come on after like 4-5 kilometres

@Erich2142

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruk2023-- The proches problem was the sun roof, not the engine.

Just lemon law it already and get yourself a GX460 and turn it into an overland project 😁

@Matthew28845

3 жыл бұрын

they bought an fj cruiser already lol

@mikefoehr235

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matthew28845 Do you think the FJ is a tad wee bit more reliable???

@ckm-mkc

3 жыл бұрын

Bronco....

@alanrix5344

3 жыл бұрын

How can a company this bad still be in business ?

Beginning to think ‘To hell and back ‘ doesn’t actually require a car

@nutellapromo8029

3 жыл бұрын

Live Q&A

Here in the UK a you would still be waiting for the dealership to answer the phone for the first check engine light that's if the salesman acknowledged you in the showroom when you first tried to purchase it.

@dr.emilschaffhausen4683

2 жыл бұрын

No different in the US.

DON’T SELL A WINCH IF YOU CAN’T FRIGGIN INSTALL IT WITHOUT TOTALING THE VEHICLE!!

@trugearreviewmtb2226

3 жыл бұрын

Troy Hubbard DON’T SELL A CAR IF IT CAN BE TOTALED BY *ATTEMPTING* TO INSTALL A WINCH.

@JamesLewis144

3 жыл бұрын

Land Rover sell the winch. The dealer is the one who fits it. Same with all of the bolt on accessories. So, first Defender was LR's fault. Second Defender was the dealer's fault (which again, isn't Land Rover owned. It'll be a franchise).

@tubeme4vr

3 жыл бұрын

How do you even make the car useless when installing a winch??

@ryanthepiper

3 жыл бұрын

Trying to imagine the tech thinking to himself if the wiring harness is important, then shrugging and cutting it.

@robc8593

3 жыл бұрын

What maniac starts cutting up a new 60K car without checking what is behind the cut first?

"If you want to go to the outback, take a Land Rover. If you want to get back out, get a Toyota" Australian proverb

@fasthracing

3 жыл бұрын

Never heard that before.

@tonybruce

3 жыл бұрын

... But also you won't be able to afford to eat for 10 years

@john-paulsylvester2382

3 жыл бұрын

@@fasthracing from James May's "Cars of the People"

@nnoddy8161

3 жыл бұрын

Not quite true - the Australian army had the best Land Rovers ever built (albeit they were designed and built in Sydney) - the 'Perentie' with an Isuzu 4BD1 engine. Perfect marriage of offroad performance with Japanese engine reliability.

@MrKbuland

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they should have asked JLR to repair the Defender with a Toyota engine.

You're getting a lot better treatment than I did with my 2020 Sierra Duramax haven't been able to drive it since August GM finally authorized the brake repair on Friday but all the parts are backordered so now they're offering me a buyback based on the fact that they believe it could be down for another 6 to 7 months! Bought it in March problem started in May at 1500 miles!

@Ptro1

3 жыл бұрын

Lemon it

@KoolCordell

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ptro1 in the process, awaiting vin to be invoiced

I understand that you want to go and drive your new car to review and compete with other channels but to be honest I believe your updates are the most valuable and interesting keep it up fellas :)

Your new Defender videos continue to make the old Defenders more valuable by the hour!!

"Let's order a Land Rover for a series called "To Hell and Back." Three vehicles later.... I'd say you've accomplished the goal of your series... just much sooner than you anticipated.

@vvk

3 жыл бұрын

I believe they accomplished just 50% of their goal :)

Wow Land Rover should be ashamed of themselves for building vehicles that seem to be so unreliable... thanks for the cool vids TFL!!

Thank you for sharing this story as I was all in for the new defender and 2 factors kept me from purchasing. 1. reliability concerns 2. Dealers adding on $10k+ on top of MSRP. Now waiting another year to get the Bronco Badlands. Not a Ford fan either however going to give it a try. So disappointing that LandRover can't figure out how to make a quality product. Car or accessory. I'm in shock. Thankfully I didn't make a LR purchase or I could be in the same shape. Buyer Beware I guess.

Take a drink Everytime they say, "and here is where it gets really interesting" and "you can't make this stuff up." 😄

@jlinwinter

3 жыл бұрын

i'm drunk already.

“Hell and back”......Land Rover ownership.

@bigospig

3 жыл бұрын

Except there is no "back".

@justinregister795

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigospig touché. 😂

videos like these make me appreciate my 4runner even more

You two are far more patient then I am

This story of getting the winch is more fun than the off-road test.

@michaelbiniakewitz2329

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but it should only take one person to tell it, the alternating between who gives the next sentence is super annoying

@colinashby3775

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbiniakewitz2329 yes. That really annoyed me as well. Like a husband and wife telling the story because they think like one.

“To hell and back.” You mean ‘to the Dealership and back’!

@ToastedTostito

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah except the stupid thing didn't even make it back from the dealership! 🤣🤣🤣

@tbthedozer

3 жыл бұрын

Not just a trip but an ownership experience...😂

@KTMcaptain

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that’s what the saying means. 🤣 LR life

Your restraint while describing this ludicrous saga of purchasing a car is admirable. I would be incandescent with rage. And you PAID for the car. It's not a loaner. Modern cars! Why are they such heaps of crap?

well now you can start your defender conversation with other ower with this unique customer journey and is definitely one of a kind

This honestly is probably the best thing that could’ve happened to your channel.

@justinb6373

3 жыл бұрын

@RpM_Evan probably are getting tons more views with these lemons than with a working one

@TheChris1299100

3 жыл бұрын

@RpM_Evan I think it might be how they're offering an unbiased explanation of potential problems for potential owners. I feel better informed of what might go wrong if I could ever afford a defender (not likely lol.)

"You really won't believe what's happening with our defender." Actually this is exactly what everyone who knows cars expected and warned you about.

@stevec3526

3 жыл бұрын

Sir, absolutely correct!

@realash

3 жыл бұрын

They should just call it and get a Toyota

This series plus Doug DeMuro's inevitable 1 year review of his Defender will be a saga to remember.

Anytime one of my friends tells me they are going to buy a land rover/range rover... I just smile and think, you are walking yourself towards your imminent doom, but I still smile anyway and give the thumbs up cause no one wants to hear a lecture on how unreliable they are until they buy it and the engine light comes on. Funny thing is they hide it and make excuses while the car is in the workshop

The TFL Defender is now legendary. It's literally talked about on every other Defender forum/post/review.

@alexzee4564

3 жыл бұрын

Really is. I was watching it being mentioned on an Australian/south african channel I watch.

@manomatocs

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexzee4564 4xOverlander? Haha that guy is a legend!

@ducnguyen1999

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexzee4564 Andrew? :) omg

@djcarlitosatl

3 жыл бұрын

Me, too. It was mentioned by Edmunds review of Defender vs Wrangler & 4Runner video as well as Doug DeMuro’s channel

I think your experience speaks volumes. Anyone who buys a "Defender" after watching this series, has more money then they or their family needs.

@nadieselgirl

3 жыл бұрын

And infinite time and patience!

@bambamujls

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed....Land Rover is just a status car nothing more.

I was going to buy a Defender but now changed my mind. Land rover/range rover still has a lot of internal problems to resolve. Thanks guys.

Like thousands of ex-land rover owners, ( I stuck with them for 10 years ) and after years of problem after problem, all fully serviced and looked after, break down after break down I left the LR brand for good. I’ve now got a Land Cruiser, and absolutely loving it. No longer afraid of what warning lights are going to come each time I get in it. No where near as luxurious but a decent drive never the less. Verdict…. Never going back Enjoy your LR ownership adventure. Haha

One of the core principles of TFL is "transparency", to date of I have found this to be true and so I ask you to publish the VIN and engine number so that this vehicle is not purchased by an unsuspecting buyer or if they replace the engine and then sell it as a "factory fresh" vehicle, buy it and do the intended review that TFL does so well

@TheLucifah

3 жыл бұрын

I support this proposal

@squidgec

3 жыл бұрын

i like the proposal as well

@habanero8192

3 жыл бұрын

do the same for EACH failure JLR vehicle ...

@cautilligab

3 жыл бұрын

Do it!

@mjwise

3 жыл бұрын

@@habanero8192 The world doesn't have enough numbers.

Can you just imagine if you were a working man with a family and a busy life and you had to deal with this?!!??

@chrishaddad5362

3 жыл бұрын

I was about to pull the trigger on a KTM but I’m in that boat. Don’t have time to deal with the reliability issues.

@jamesmedina2062

3 жыл бұрын

One word, or 2: LOANER CAR

@richfarfugnuven6308

3 жыл бұрын

L.A.W.Y.E.R.

@johno6590

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrishaddad5362 just bought a Husqvarna 701, basically same bike as KTM. Headlight stopped working at only 1200 miles, dealer says there are ZERO replacements in stock in the U.S. I am on the list for a new light in early December. We'll see.

@2packs4sure

3 жыл бұрын

@@richfarfugnuven6308 and that in itself equals BIG H E A D A C H E... lol

I would LOVE to know of anyone that has seen this ordeal and is still willing to buy a defender. I have a bridge to sell them.

@davecom3

3 жыл бұрын

They are starting to sprout up all over. A lot of people, and I mean A LOT of people have more money than sense and dont care about reliability. They have several cars

I was considering purchasing a Land Rover but not after this video. Thank you for sharing your experience with the Defender.

You’ve done everyone a great service- imagine people considering a Defender that hop over to KZread and feel pretty excited after watching Doug D wax poetic about his then stumble upon TFL....you will save a lot of people from a lot of heartache.

@mulfordcafe

3 жыл бұрын

I’m baffled why Doug D is so popular. He spends 25 min blabbing about the window switches and only 5 min driving and somehow gets 1m+ views. TFL reviews = wayyyy better

@ericl1166

3 жыл бұрын

Doug D is an idiot, no one should take his opinion seriously.

@scootsmcdoots80

3 жыл бұрын

He’s popular because he’s different.

@redneck4528

3 жыл бұрын

Doug is well educated, observant, worked in the business, his auction site launch was phenomenal. Doug has tons of connections from porsche, autotrader, cox automotive,etc. He is one of the most respected people in the auto business.

@wade7959

3 жыл бұрын

@@mulfordcafe I've wondered exactly the same thing. I don't know why people watch him.

It's almost like TFL is trying to fit in the entire Land Rover ownership experience of a couple years into 3 months...

@Shorby99EK

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much.

@Vader1957

3 жыл бұрын

This comment is perfect ! Most people have to own a LR for at least a couple of years to have this much fun. Funny how owners of LR get to know the mechanics at the dealership by name.

@groosbro1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vader1957 The LR mechanic and dealer also have a name for customers: Mr. and Mrs. Lameass Wannabe Sapsucker.

@jonesjones7057

3 жыл бұрын

@@groosbro1 I laughed at this mostly because I believe it's true.

I wonder what your experience would be like if you weren’t TFL. Also, you probably saved your lives not getting an engine installed by people who trashed a whole Defender installing a winch... great update thank you and good luck

Guys, this is a better series than the off road series trust me

A loom that cannot be fixed or replaced doesnt sound like a selling point.

@PersonaN007Grata

3 жыл бұрын

There’s no wire harness in a vehicle that can’t be replaced. It’s just a lot of work and the dealership is incompetent. I would not let them touch the vehicle. Get a winch installed somewhere else. These guys are push overs and the dealer is playing them.

@gildardo

3 жыл бұрын

@@PersonaN007Grata I lost faith in dealer techs a long time ago. I don't trust them at all.

@nadieselgirl

3 жыл бұрын

No kidding, I want details on that and the original engine failure. This whole thing seems fishy even if it does follow the usual tropes of LR and Jag ownership.

@PersonaN007Grata

3 жыл бұрын

@@gildardo I have worked with dealerships for 20 years. Most techs, not all but most, are very good at routine and typical work. Anything “new” and involving that requires critical thinking, you’re better off going to an independent shop because smaller shops have to work on a wide variety of vehicles involving all sorts of diagnosis. They generally have their thinking caps on at all times.

@BrianGlendenning

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, every few years a critter munches some of our wires. Getting it fixed has never been a drama.

If only the dealer had said, “Here’s a bag full of money. Go get a Toyota.”

@ponytrishpip

3 жыл бұрын

As they are recalling every hilux and prado I would not get to glib.

@theejoeylee

3 жыл бұрын

Land CRUISER

@LordTechPro

3 жыл бұрын

If the dealer had performed a proper pre-delivery inspection of the vehicle this would never have happened. The dealership just wants to make money, as they know that people will ultimately blame the manufacturer and not them

@ponytrishpip

3 жыл бұрын

I used to get lumbered with Landcruisers of various types when I worked in the Australian bush and deserts. The only thing they were good at was drinking diesel. Eventually switched to Pajero. Comfort and economy and went everywhere the land barges used to go. The 500Kg tool box was easy to fork lift in the back and the Pajero could carry 4 blokes, their luggage and all our water and supplies no problem. When you were back on the blacktop you could cruise at 150kph till you got close to civilisation (police). Very underrated vehicle the Pajero 3.2 diesel

@ianwatson3315

3 жыл бұрын

@@ponytrishpip funny because many Australians use Toyotas for the simple reason they are so reliable. Yet the Pajero was the biggest piece of shit I ever owned. Now have an fj 7 years..220k and never had one fault 🤔

Well that's crazy. An irreplaceable harness? That sounds like a nightmare.

@MrJS111

Жыл бұрын

It’s not a irreplaceable harness, it’s a mega harness which is KSK, so it would of taken time to make and deliver thus It’s easier to get them a new car. Most of these issues are dealership induced issues which is sad, they are really good cars.

My buddy's a VP at Land Rover. Says they have a cult following but they're junk. His words.

any fears about "not being part of the conversation"? forget your roadtrips and "off-road" tests, you have already tested enough and delivered the most valuable information, even without having driven but just a few miles... TFL has given us all what we needed to know about this "Pretender", I am enjoying every minute of this saga, you should get the credit and honors of having saved a lot of people of loosing a lot of money, patience and time. TFL this is already one of the best car reviews you have done!

@ChuckRage

3 жыл бұрын

Pretender 🤣

@maximilianrockefeller8854

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. This series has already spoken volumes about the Land Rover Pretender.

@JuanHernandez-ov4fg

3 жыл бұрын

JLR's designs look great, but don't do anything but cause headaches for 4x4 adventures in the reliability side of ownership.

@ericbrandt8675

3 жыл бұрын

All we can hope is that Doug Demuro has a similar expirience......THIS!.....is the most unreliable vehicle sold in North America......I can hear it now.....

"It's a competitive business, and you know, we wanna be a part of that conversation" Oh trust me, you are! 😂

Being handing over Defenders since July in South Africa. Not one has given a problem. It's a shame what happened here. That Dealer should have given you a new car.

Oh, I think you don’t have to worry about being a part of conversation!!! Lol. Hope you get one that works soon!