Funny meme at the end of the video

@MrTickles445

Ай бұрын

Top ten isle moments (real)

@scottthesmartape9151

Ай бұрын

Serious video at the beginning 😔

@thomasinefitzpatrick

Ай бұрын

I hate the isle for not being everything it could and should be. I hate pot(supporters, really) for thinking in its wettest dream itll ever be close to being deserving to compare to TI as a actual dinosaur game(Its a glorified chatroom with dino skins. You can say otherwise, but Ive seen flash animations with more compelling combat..... The combat is so whack, to call it combat feels like a stretch. I really dont even know where to begin, but from picking flowers to grow, to the design encouraging mix packing.... Tbh, I guess its a bit of a community thing too. As bad as TI players are, they care about details and take what theyre doing somewhat seriously. Path players are just a bunch of carebears OR like an army of 12 yr olds playing on their phone during class just trying to gang up on everything) If path was content to just do its own thing(which to be fair is brought on by us, their communities, more than the games or devs themselves...... sort of..... I mean, darkest did FOR SURE steal tons of inspiration from his time making TI legacy, and while most of that was more "what do I want to change".... Idk.... I have almost no respect for Dondi, and plenty of complaints.... But.... If the game was great, I wouldnt care about any of the other stuff, and FOR its audience, its fine.... I play minecraft and never once think about roblox. TI is minecraft to pots roblox. 🤣 Clearly different games now. Roblox is just.... a little kid mess, as it was designed to be. Minecraft is classic, takes itself seriously. Is the source of alot of the original ideas for both even if now theyve become very different. I just wish the people working on minecraft(ti) would fix the performance issues, and finish the core loop with mating and stuff before working about more changes to the map and more changes to the existing playables, and 17 new playables, and humans and guns and hypo-dragon-mosnter-alien-godzilla-things I guess if I think about it part of what Im also mad about though is that clearly alot of work has gone into pot, and if darkest really does love dino sims and doesnt wana work on ti why not make it have the good parts of the isle instead of just being lazy and making easy to build and work on and make lots of money without working hard by catering to casuals and little kids. Its like... F dude... if your gonna make a whole new game, why not keep what they got right? But its whatever really.... Were all spoiled and were lucky to have either game. They both could be alot better though. TI needs to get over itself, focus on core issues, and listen to its players and market. POT is passed that point, but it would have been able to straddle the gap and appeal to everyone if it was a little more careful, a little less lazy(kinda also a form of not listening to their market, but really was a choice just to completely neglect and ignore like 1/2 of their potential market), and took itself more seriously (ironically, seeing how they effectively have opposing problems in this regard XD) Sorry for the novel, but thanks for the content! Hopefully both these games step it up a bit! Or else someone else finally sees all the meat on these bones and decides to really do the idea right! XD (FFS if we get another playable on TI before they worry about stability or nesting Im gonna sh00t an imaginary person in my head.... or probably just yell.... Ill be very frustrated)

@welcomelonelyfans-3091

Ай бұрын

On god

@CoolDoctorToad

29 күн бұрын

@@thomasinefitzpatrick cool comment sadly I only read 1/4 of it :D

I've said this many many times over, the fact that path of titans allows modding and allows its community to create, play and customise their experiences is literally the best thing the devs have ever done. Path of titans has so much freedom, its literally unmatched by any Dino survival game. Path of titans has the brightest future I've ever seen in a game. And that future will only continue to grow.

@radicalthunder5740

Ай бұрын

Cough fanboy

@thegaminggman5597

Ай бұрын

i do agree, but i prefer the isles style over PoT

@alexrajczyk2450

Ай бұрын

@@thegaminggman5597 if you prefer the isle then there is nothing wrong with that. I would play the isle if it was brought to consoles.

@thomasinefitzpatrick

Ай бұрын

Eh.... In alot of games I agree about this sort of thing, but too much choice can be a curse. Just gonna spread the base around until everyone plays by themselves the EXACT way they want(and noone or almost noone else does) and the game will die quietly and organically We shall see though

@lemongrab6173

Ай бұрын

@@thegaminggman5597the isle has a far superior art style but lacking most other aspects, it’s dying and loosing to another game that’s still in its infancy state.

PoT focuses on player enjoyment and quality of gameplay. The Isle focuses on immersion and realism. PoT acts more like a video game, while Isle wants to be a simulator.

@sheepgrass500

27 күн бұрын

That's very well put

@Huntsman567

24 күн бұрын

Tbh realism suits more for Path of Titans. For an example how anky and para are down right treated horribly in the isle for barley having the ability to fight or run from it's main predators. While PoT allows most of the herbivores to fight equally or even surpass the carnivores in its region. And we all know herbivores are more dangerous than carnivores at their peak.

@zcoosa1648

20 күн бұрын

​@@Huntsman567Herbivores are very powerful in evrima. Whens the last time you played?

@AyeeRookie

4 күн бұрын

isn't the isle missing feathers on alot of species that should have them? as well as lips on theropods ?

@sheepgrass500

4 күн бұрын

@@AyeeRookie I think they mean realism in the mechanics, not the art style

At least we don't have Dondi to deal with over on PoT, smh.

Bro I'm literally editing a The Isle vs POT video and this comes out right now? 😭 solid vid as always, cheers

@raccon1007

Ай бұрын

Looking forward to it 😃

@WinterroSP

Ай бұрын

I wanna see your opinion too, your vids are also great

@FieryRed_BE

Ай бұрын

just like slyced was with bary 😂

@onlyenzoYT

Ай бұрын

@ me when it drops I would like to enjoy thay

@cowboycat4083

Ай бұрын

@ me as well, I want to watch 👍

As some one who started out with The Isle, then switched to PoT, I can tell you what it was that sold it for me. 1, it may take longer to grow a dino, but doesnt make me lose 4-6 irl hours that i barley have as a wife and parent each time I die. 2, it has lots of dinosaur options to choose from 3, frequent updates!

@BussTyrone

29 күн бұрын

Not to mention they have PVP servers which makes life so much more easier

@asryel2878

22 күн бұрын

When I think of The Isle, I think about the time I spent 7 hours in one sitting growing a therizinosaurus only to immediately trip down a small hill and die on my first walk as an adult. I would say I almost cried, but I didn't, I just felt.... empty lmfao

The Isle has been surpassed for a while now lol

@rezo7110

Ай бұрын

It really has, such a wasted potential, I like PoT but it's a different game than the isle, the isle aims to be realistic which I love and PoT is more like an mmo, which for me is meh, but the problem is, PoT has great devs and the isle has asshole devs which even protected a pedo once, I hate them with passion

@GankScythe

Ай бұрын

they never "protected a pedo" when Dondi was notified of what was going on, he suspended the guy and wanted receipts before he crucified this guy. especially in Discord when its a "He said, she said" setting. aside from that dondi has made it abundantly clear he doesnt give a shit about the isle, and we could all tell before he even openly stated in his live streams a while back when he was showcasing Dibble progress.

@lexizzedit

Ай бұрын

The Isle still better

@toniotrussardi8126

Ай бұрын

@@lexizzedit when it works lol

@NiteMode-kx8wj

Ай бұрын

@@lexizzedit love ur pfp

I think another reason PoT is surpassing the isle is because they left being the older idea of complete realism. For example, the growth system. Even though some people don’t like to quest you have to admit that it keeps players moving around the map. It makes the map feel more alive not like Everyone is in one specific area. You can find someone in almost any corner of PoT maps. I also think it helps you meet new people and find friends to quest with. Now the most important things. Death penalty, I think a lot of people love the idea of not loosing your whole Dino after death, but a small penalty is given. So players can more freely roam and play the game without fear of loosing their hard work. Because in the isle Ik that people just hide 24/7 and try their best not to die, unless they aren’t solo.

@Do27gg

Ай бұрын

Also I think the fact there’s no more covid lockdown means people are less willing to spend hours growing a Dino that you can lose instantly. That’s how I feel anyways

@KingslayaJ

29 күн бұрын

@@Do27gg yeah exactly. The isles growth may be shorter on paper but in reality you’ll most likely die 15 minutes after hitting adult, if you even make it there. I think the isles environment is much more harsh than PoT. Tbh I wouldn’t mind the loss of the Dino as a death penalty if you didn’t have to spend 6 hours of sitting in a chair to get it back. But the isle needs to move on from that nonsense, In Pot you just loose a small amount of growth and in BoB you loose the whole Dino’s yeah but growth only takes like 30minutes- an hour in that game.

@Do27gg

29 күн бұрын

@@KingslayaJ yeah the isle is pushing the realism too much I think and forgetting games are meant to be fun. The diet system really puts me off and it’s hard enough to stay alive. Altho I like the idea of making you do things whilst growing. I think if an apex was like 2 hours it would perfect, just enough to have to earn it but not long enough that it makes you want to jump off a cliff when you lose it. There’s probs a place for both games as they’re kinda different enough

@danielmalinen6337

19 күн бұрын

If you have to wait until you can play because of growth system, then it's pretty badly done and unrealistic because scientifically the growth stages of different dinosaurs filled different niches in the ecosystem.

@KingslayaJ

19 күн бұрын

@@danielmalinen6337 yeah but that’s an issue with all dinosaur survivals. You can’t really use that to criticize a game if none of them remedied that issue.

A survival game that releases new maps and forces everyone to play the new map otherwise you have to download and play a different version separate of the current one where all the players are. To then release the map with a broken food system and force everyone into 2parts of the map or basically die... Is one of the worst decisions ive ever seen in a survival game. Couple that with the servers jumping in ping from 40-140 literally all day and the desync that comes with it and its a hot mess. There is no need to surpass The Isle when their own self destruction is doing fine all on its own✅

@Smratboy

Ай бұрын

Factual.

@temujinchannel8584

Ай бұрын

On points.

@Diobot

Ай бұрын

The isle will surpass any dino game, eventually you'll see. Might take some time, but the devs are cooking

@t0xt878

Ай бұрын

@@Diobotlol I highly doubt that but hey keep rooting for them

@Pepsimax214

Ай бұрын

​​@@t0xt878only thing i like about the isle is the animations otherwise its bland imo

I would say the answer is largely yes? Not to say you can’t enjoy the Isle, or that PoT is perfect. But PoT wins on metrics of playerbase, profitability, performance, development pace, and dinosaur variety.

@KingslayaJ

Ай бұрын

I also think a big part of it is the growth mechanic. People have a love hate relationship with it. But I think people love the idea of not loosing your whole Dino after death.

@Do27gg

Ай бұрын

Isle legacy in its prime is 10x what PoT is, even tho what PoT are doing is so so commendable

@EggSaladSammich

Ай бұрын

Dinosaur quantity sure but variety? I mean i get that some dinos have some kind of special attack or whatever but as someone whos played path, all the dinos feel the same. Same gameplay different stats

@llXxGHOSTxXll

29 күн бұрын

Obnoxious to collect shellfish to grow lol

@KingslayaJ

29 күн бұрын

@@Do27gg tbh I disagree. It sempt that way because because pot didn’t exist back then. The isle had pretty much 0 competitors back then so you can’t really say it was better when there was nothing to compare it to in its prime. You personally can say that you had more fun in the isle when it was in its prime. But your personal experience doesn’t mean that it was better. It was only better for you.

7:03 this was me playing the isle when it was just legacy. For the first week every time I spawned in it was nighttime and raining. It for sure gave the horror vibe but i always died from thirst. I didn’t know sniff didn’t work when it rained. Almost returned the game.

@Double-Rainbow-

25 күн бұрын

in legacy rain helps keep your water from draining unless you are sprinting all the time.. which in legacy you don't want to do due to fights

@Hadtoo

24 күн бұрын

@@Double-Rainbow- ya I know that now hahaha. The point I am making is that I was new to the game and didn’t know that stuff. For a week I would just spawn at night when it was raining. I didn’t know there was ai or if the ai could attack me. So when my hunger would go down I would hear the ai and would be scared shitless thinking they were other players.

In my opinion I think the biggest problem holding both Path and The Isle back are the nesting and grouping mechanics. The isle just seems to hate the idea of players making friends, you want to be a hatchling? You need to be invited while in the spawn in screen where you cant use chat, you want to find a group? Have fun finding your own species on a massive empty map with no global chat and nothing but calls to work off of. It really makes me miss the isle legacy with how easy it was to socialize. Path isn't much better, it just seems to keep adding new dinos spreading the player-base across different species more and more while having a mediocre grouping system and a promise that they will add nesting at some point. I don't like the direction BoB is going but I will happily admit they hit the ball out of the park with both nesting and grouping, I can only hope that one of them may try and change direction but that's a pipe dream at this point.

@SkuddeOuo

Ай бұрын

Nesting is a stretch goal mechanic, so it will be added to the game. It's not on top of their priority list (which has the engine update, new game modes and quest system overhaul) but it's guaranteed due to people having paid to get that mechanic added. But as a side note, in PoT you're not supposed to only group with your own species. The grouping system is based on having different species in herds and packs, especially after the additions of Achi and Rhampy. Mixpacking is often not allowed on community servers due to old ideas from The Isle that mixpacking is op and wrong, but it's an intended game mechanic in PoT.

@taz3810

Ай бұрын

Im a bit concern that they dont talk about dino AI in PoT anymore. I hope they will work on it again, one day

@KingslayaJ

Ай бұрын

Tbh your comment kinda seems like you’re trying to find some dirt on pot that isn’t there. Pot has a great and easy to use chat system with both, group chat, local chat, and global chat. It even has a built in friend system. The game has no issues in the social department. I’ll admit that they haven’t added nesting yet but I won’t throw shade on it until it’s actually added. The grouping in PoT isn’t really even that bad idk what you’re getting at there. You just group up with herbis or carnis. If it’s a big carni then it takes up more space in the group in order to balance out groups. Does it do anything to fix mix packs or mega packs? No. But no survival is free of fault from those 2 things.

@KingslayaJ

Ай бұрын

@@SkuddeOuounless it’s herbivores and carnivores. But carni on carni and herbi on herbi is fine.

@ghostrecce4463

Ай бұрын

​@@taz3810they did test out the patty ai for being aggressive. I think they found some things to smooth out so that's why it's quiet for now. They do at least test things in order to see if there is problems and fix the major ones before releasing it to public

People have to stop comparing The Isle and Path of titans, these two games function on different spectrum even if they are two games about dinosaurs.

@eewweeppkk

28 күн бұрын

Even though they're both open world dinosaur survival games based on player to player interaction. Nah they are incredibly comparable, especially given pot was started by ex TI devs.

I thought about trying out the isle since before PoT was a thing. I never did. Then I stumbled over the closed alpha of PoT waaay back when there wasn't even a multiplayer. I remember running around as a Laten on a small map, part of Red Woods, gathering Amanita. It has come a long way and I am glad I donated the 30$ back then. PoT is growing so fast, you can watch it.

@Do27gg

Ай бұрын

Pot is a completely different game to isle imo

@keishaleadbetter

Ай бұрын

Absolutely, I remember doing that as well it is crazy how much pot has progressed compared to the isle in similar amounts of time

@GokuBlack-bj3xl

Ай бұрын

​@@Do27ggcompletely different as in its optimized well for multiple consoles. An does the same thing as the isle but also has other options.. it has a realism mode it's called Official. If you just wanna have fun an not deal with that well there's community made servers that have strict realism servers as well that are overseen by admis an moderators of the server owners choosing... The isle is only different because it does one thing an it does it poorly lol Pot is different because it does multiple things well.

@Do27gg

Ай бұрын

@@GokuBlack-bj3xl nah it’s just a different game, only thing in common is it’s dinosaurs and mainly played on pc

@eewweeppkk

28 күн бұрын

​@@Do27ggIt's an open world pvp dinosaur survival game. That pretty dang specific, without going into all of temhe overlapping mechanics.

Honestly the isle is just lucky no one has tried to make a realistic survival dinosaur sand box

@thomasinefitzpatrick

Ай бұрын

This is sort of true, although they have done alot of really legitimately great work at this point... Theyre just avoiding core issues, ignoring the criticisms and player base, and using that legitimate great work to pretend that there are no deeper issues and keep people going long enough to have time to worry about that later. This is a horrible strategy that usually fails, except.... sometimes it doesnt. Its also the method all the leading world governments are using to run their countries, and as much as we should have had 8 collapses 30 years ago, somehow technology continues to improve so much that if they can keep kicking the can down the road.... eventually the rubber will meet and grip again, without having stepped back or taken their foot once off the pedal. I love TI and couldnt play pot if I tried. I also hate TI and the devs and the community XD But all else aside, your super right. Even if TI has come up with some cool and clever stuff, the concept could easily be scalped and reskinned.... You cant claim ownership of ideas you took from nature, even if you did figure out somewhat clever ways to implement them If someone who isnt a joke like Dondi or Darkest actually made a real game seriously, overnight both these games would die and the new one would have the whole market and alot more normies too

@raccon1007

Ай бұрын

@@thomasinefitzpatrick fr TI has so much potential dondi just to much of a clown to see it

@thomasinefitzpatrick

Ай бұрын

@@raccon1007 Well, part of the problem is I think some of the legitimate good vision comes from Dondi. But I mean some. And most of the bad also comes from him too. But he has too much control and too much of an ego. Hopefully as he gets older hell chill out a bit. Frankly I think hes got a few talented people working for him and if he stepped back a little alot of good would get done. While I say all this and think Dondi is a total clown and ass and at this point more of a liability than an asset, I do think even his controlling garbage BS has been good for the game, preventing it from branching too many directions, losing vision and focus from having too many cooks in the kitchen.... But at this point, I think hes got some talent and probably scared away everyone who wasnt already somewhat in harmony for the original tone and vision(as far as survival aspects go.... the guns and mutants and everything has always been essentially like a sperate game, and a bad idea for TI, imo) IMO they need to give up on his fetish of guns and mutant dinos and everything else(or consider that like an expansion project or something, which would make more sense financially too, besides just the court of public opinion) Focus on stability and optimization. As networks improve and tech does, if you make it run 20% better in two or three years peoples pcs and the network will also improve enough stability wouldnt (need to)be a chronic or even existing issue. FINISH THE GAMEPLAY LOOP NESTING ELDER SYSTEM if they did just that, they could not put anything new out for years and rake cake. If they did that and just cleaned up the maps, made the old maps available, and finished like 5-10 more dinos with attention to icons like rex, trike, anky, spino, and some sort of long necked giant.... If they did that, theyd corner the dino market and go mainstream and not have to make any new content ever again(But could easily, including things like dondis hunting dinos and mutants fetish, which could be a cool game, and one Id probably play, but not as a replacement for or instead of TI as a dino survival game itself) Imo Bob is fine and has its place, but the foundational design choices they made will never allow me personally to enjoy it or take it seriously. The movement alone in that game is.... unbearable to me

@woogieboogie3889

18 күн бұрын

​@thomasinefitzpatrick I agree, zero mutants dinos, except maybe 1 or 2 roaming ai "monsters" to put apexes in check. The one and only experiment that made the island and its human project collapse into catastrophe. Would fit the lore. Guns would be ok, but very limited, they have to find them and they dont respawn very often. The humans should basically just be primitive and are only successful working in teams and being very smart about what they do but, usually just get murdered by raptors and anything bigger than that. They wanted this to be horror game, well being a human on an island with dinosaurs would be just that, a terrifying experience the moment you step outside your damp dark hole, with a 99% chance your dead when you do.

I think Path is everything I ever wanted from The Isle. Incredibly fun, beautiful, engaging, huge variety of playable, active playerbase, regular updates, functional development timeframe, professional team, etc... Its so fun and relaxing. I've been following The Isle since.... very early on, 2016, maybe even 2015. The vision is great but organizing its actual development seemed to be impossible for whatever reason. Dev limbo for what like 10 years lol. I still enjoyed The Isle, I have like probably 1k hours on it. Thankfully Dinosaur Ecosystem cant be copywrited so Path could just do the same thing with a better dev team and blow everyone's minds.

@Adude420

29 күн бұрын

Beautiful? The whole game looks like a fucking cartoon. There’s no real good lighting effects.

@curse7469

5 күн бұрын

Yeah Path is beautiful, they added awesome underwater effects recently

@Adude420

5 күн бұрын

@@curse7469 Nah I disagree. Look it’s just not my style of game. But the Game itself hurts my eyes physically cause of how bright it is

I like and play both. Personally i think both have their pros and cons. Pot has better combat system and feels built into pvp and less punishing from you dying. But i hate how pot survival aspect is out the door and how it kinda forces you to group. The isle actually feels like im playing a survival game.

@alunaticwithashotgun9840

Ай бұрын

I wouldn't call PoT's combat "better", it's completely different, but that doesn't make it better, if someone likes one over the other it's a personal preference.

@astra3202

Ай бұрын

@@alunaticwithashotgun9840not different at all

@alunaticwithashotgun9840

Ай бұрын

@@astra3202 Pretty much the only thing they have in common is that you play as dinosaurs, everything past that is completely different.

@patrox2529

Ай бұрын

Play realism 👍

@shahinarahaque2071

Ай бұрын

I like the feel of TI's combat, PoT's PvP system feels too basic

Agree. I've spent more hours fixing The Isle's bugs than playing The Isle.

@thomasinefitzpatrick

Ай бұрын

Sounds like layers of skill issues(not that there arent legitimate complaints underneath those)

@eewweeppkk

28 күн бұрын

​@@thomasinefitzpatrickNo, sounds like a horribly optimized game actually. I also have spent more time trying to get the isle, an early access game for almost a decade that's had engine transitions and multiple overhauls, to even run on my PC, which has no issues running any other game in my library save known troublemakers. The fact that the game runs like garbage at this stage of development is inexcusable - so stop making excuses for it.

@thomasinefitzpatrick

27 күн бұрын

@@eewweeppkk Lol. It can be both, and you can just need to get a new machine to be able to play taxing games. Those can both be(and are clearly) true here

As a legacy isle veteran of whom made the switch to PoT and has had it almost since release I can say with confidence that the game has made great strides in the right direction. The progress they make never ceases to amaze me, and the love they have for their community is evident. My only grief is their extreme leniency on their official servers and whilst this issue is mitigated by the existence of community servers it in no way excuses the poor experiences had there. I think the way they push grouping has created an incredibly toxic environment filled to the brim with gigantic mix packs and clans, this alone ruins plenty of solo players and new player experiences with the game as simply growing as an "unpopular" creature or being a baby in general can be an instant death sentence as you're viciously KO'sed time and time again. And it doesn't help that as a juvenile and even adolescent you have nothing to do but pick up acorns and can almost never outrun or effectively defend yourself from your predator of which half the time isn't even a carnivore but instead a rioted up herbivore killing babies in the hundreds. Now before anyone tells me that "its a survival game its meant to be hard and for you to die" understand that i've always been the type to deeply enjoy hardcore survival experiences ie the isle, but what path is doing I wouldn't constitute as that and instead a migraine inducing mess that manages to sour the player enjoyment by a big margin. Because in hardcore survival there's risk for both the attacker and prey, but death in Path is so minimal that people are beyond willing to throw themselves into combat at a moments glance and the game becomes nothing more than a glorified death match. In fact over my years of playing path on official servers i've met people who describe officials as the "ghetto" due to all of the bizarre mixpack clan violence and unfiltered toxic global chat. You can avoid some of the toxicity through the usage of community servers but that doesn't change the fact that officials *are* the way the game is intended to be played and so its only fair that anyone be able to critique it as such. I just personally believe that the lack of effort being put into solving the mixpacking crisis is causing severe backlash on players simply trying to play the game as its meant to be. And if nothing gets done about it I feel it could even become as hostile as say the Day of Dragons servers and that in of itself sounds just awful to play even if it is technically "optional". Regardless thank you to anyone that actually read out this comment, I just really needed to speak my mind over something I feel isnt being spoken about nearly as much as it should be.

I would play Evrima more if any of my friends' PCs could handle it. For them it runs 1-15 FPS even though their texture settings are so low a lot of foliage literally has no textures at all. (just flat gray wireframe, fantastic settings option) The optimization there is just nonexistent. In performance PoT handily beats BOTH of its rivals, because BoB is somehow the worst-looking and worst-running game of the three. Good take on accessibility as well. PoT doesn't only provide tutorials and tooltips, but the UI in and of itself provides more information. You can see your abilities and what they do, pick the ones you like and assign them to buttons of your choosing. A new player in Evrima has no idea why their cerato is making noises near a corpse and what that signifies. And for a long time you couldn't even ask about it on global. And let's not forget that performance is also accessibility. Like I said at first, my friends can't play Evrima because of the shit optimization.

Path is a significantly less toxic game, it also has a good development team which we all know isles is horrid, while growing on path gets repetitive but it's better than sitting in a bush and watching KZread, also its way more forgiving than isle since dying isn't as harsh and growing is less boring. Also forgot to mention that the dev team encourages community ingagement and doesn't go batshit crazy when someone makes a mod.

@JustAnObody812

Ай бұрын

Less toxic game? If you play comm servers then yeah

@Underscore_The

Ай бұрын

@@JustAnObody812 yeah lol I want mods, plus the community is just better than the isles

@Bleghspread

Ай бұрын

@@JustAnObody812 Once you see description like "growing is less boring" you can be sure they are talking about community servers. I would take The Isle officials anytime over the PoT ones even with all the hackers and mixpackers. But when it comes to unofficial servers, PoT has much better tools to provide exp for players. The Isle is going to get some love in that department too though, we will see how it will be handled.

@AA-vi1cc

Ай бұрын

I thought PoT was less toxic but from my experience it’s been worse than the Isle. More likely to run into mix packing super groups that kill anyone on sight

@Underscore_The

Ай бұрын

@AA-vi1cc yeah that's why I play community servers. Also I didn't think it would be possible but I think ive been called the hard R and homophobic slurs more on isle than any other game and I played R6 on Xbox for 5 years

Short answer. Yes lol. Been playing POT for over a year and half and haven’t been compelled once to try the isle just based off the community,devs and lack of mods/creativity with the overall game.

I played pot for a week and got bored, I played the Isle for a year and so far I just love this game

@Adude420

29 күн бұрын

I agree! POT just feels. Bland. There’s no risk or thrill factor to it

@KreKrexler

26 күн бұрын

Same shit different plate

@Bread-Sliced

25 күн бұрын

I 100% agree

@paulo_buscape

24 күн бұрын

​@@MoofUrtosWell, the choice is yours, no one is forcing you to play the Isle

They are similar, but I think they’re different enough that certain players are going to choose one over the other based on their personal preferences. I like PoT a lot because it feels casual compared to The Isle. I have never been a competitive person, so losing little progress, shrugging off deaths, and messing around is how I prefer to spend my time. I know Officials can be brutal, which is exactly why I play on semi-realism community servers instead. So personally I like the direction PoT is going, that makes it feel more like an MMO, but I know a lot of others don’t. So The Isle is there for people who would rather have a more hardcore, immersive experience.

I think at some the isles best moments it's better than pot but right now on average pot gives a better experience.

Differences between the Isle and PoT >The Isle is still unfinished. >PoT is closer to revealing their last few kickstart dinosaurs >From my understanding, theres not a lot that you actually DO in the Isle >PoT is the same, but at least I have people of all kinds to entertain me >The PoT devs talk and listen to their community, working on what they can as they can >Dondi is a self-righteous prick >Including the fact the Isle seems to actively discourage anything regarding fan content >The Isle will never be finished, sad as that is to say, it's just not happening, they're too nitpicky, and they have too much focus on realism, when half the designs for certain dinosaurs in the new Evirma arent actually accurate to their real counterparts >Pot is just more fun, and i can play with my friends across platforms, which i will never be able to do with the Isle What got me into the isle was that in the future, we would have insane monsters and mutant dinosaurs that were truly unique. Instead, it became so hyper focused on realism and immersion that its just not fun like legacy used to be

@insanityplatybelodon5748

28 күн бұрын

As a follow up, I don't understand the intense focus on realism and immersion, you can immerse yourself into Path quite well, and realism isn't a thing no matter how much you tell me it is in The Isle when you have amphibious ominvorous Beipaosaurus, fatherless maniraptorans, shrink-wrapping, and "eventually" the Strains and Cannibals

For me the realism in a dinosaur simulator game is crucial and that’s something PoT doesn’t have. I still choose The Isle Legacy before PoT for the immersion it has. I hope we all agree that if The Isle had the same number of dinos as PoT then PoT would become a mobile game. But for now PoT is a better game in terms of development. I hope we get a big improvement in The Isle so we can all enjoy the real realism.

As someone who has played PoT from the original release,it has come a long way. There were even Dino content creators saying this game wouldn’t even surpass BoB😂 now look.

They are very different to each other. One is just survival based, while the other is more of a mixture of survival and unlocking abilities

@frenzo101

Ай бұрын

One is open world survival other is MMORPG

@thomasinefitzpatrick

Ай бұрын

socializing and unlocking abilities.... calling pot survival.... If you die, is your character dead for good? HARDLY a survival game

@Fins-Up-74

Ай бұрын

@thomasinefitzpatrick on official it's just mindless fighting, on community I play on servers where u die, ur back to a baby

@GokuBlack-bj3xl

29 күн бұрын

@thomasinefitzpatrick survival as in needing to find food an water lmao Name another survival game that has a perma-death system. I'll wait. The survival is in the immersion of needing to find food an water before starving to death.. after you die why would it matter if you start from 0 or 100? You still didn't survive an are restarting. You're clearly confusing growth with survival.

@thomasinefitzpatrick

29 күн бұрын

@@GokuBlack-bj3xl one hour one life Also your a imbe sile(youtube spelling, for sure)

Glad you made this video, Zaguer. Today I played the isle after months of absence and got one shot out of no where by a hacker while with some random folks. All of that enjoyment I had during the session gone, in not even a second.

To also add: the final destination and path these 2 games are on is vastly different aswell: The isle Evrima is heading towards dinosaurs, humans and monstrous creatures on the same island, together. Path of titans is heading towards dinosaur survival, with a few game mode options to spice things up. So take your pick 🦖 If you don’t like any of that, theres community servers in both. Though Path has already given mass customization freedom with full mod support, whilst in Evrima right now you’ll most likely only find realism servers, semi realism and a couple no rules servers because officials are always full.

Nice video, btw do you think you could talk about more underrated dinosaur survival games like beast of Bermuda or talk about the roblox dinosaur games like prior extinction, prehistoria or dinosaur world mobile.

I played the isle late into legacy, I was still learning and it was very hard to find myself in the game or hunt because of the lack of a tutorial, very few people helped me and I still needed some help and the person who was helping me lashed out in a vc because I was talking over them, I didn’t mean to and I have ADHD, I struggle to pay attention and end up talking over people on accident and I cannot control it, I was younger and not willing to stand up for myself, I felt heartbroken that the person I was trusting even got mad at me over something I cannot control, because of that incident I felt the game wasn’t very welcoming, and tried evrima, got my footing but I constantly lost my dino due to data wipes and the horrid fps drove me away. I tried PoT later on, hated the official servers but later I tried modded servers and fell in love with the game, the tutorial, great devs who listen, a nice community, mod support really roped me in! Have to say I prefer PoT miles over the isle!

And now with the unreal 5.3 update in Path everything looks and runs much smoother!

Nothings gonna beat what legacy was. PoT is more like an mmo rather than an actual Dino role playing game. It’s just embarrassing how they’re fumbling the isle tbh

@Sage7Plays

Ай бұрын

The reason pot feels like an mmo is because it is one

@Do27gg

Ай бұрын

@@Sage7Plays exactly so it’s completely different to the isle

The Isle and Path of titans just feel very different, sometimes I am in the mood to play Path of titans, and sometimes I feel like playing The isle. However, over all I perfer The Isle, because I actually feel apart of the game while playing it and realistic. So I think it depends on the persons preferences. I play animal survival games to be apart of nature, Path of Titans just doesn't make me feel that. Something I strongly agree on is the ping problem, I once got 900 ping, even though it was mid day and it was the weekend where I was and got a very strong computer. Any who, great video, thank you!

I have played both, I currently own both. Honestly I play PoT more because I'm tired of listening to my PC trying to launch us into space off of it's fans.

now that i know you can toggle the hud off thats all i need imma by this now

Yeah, the isle is my absolute favorite game, i love it to death. I tend to not like playing pot for multiple reasons, its just not the game for me. Yet, I think pot is a far superior game from an objective point of view... I prefer the isle, but pot is simply much better. I think if someone made a pot mod to make it play more like the isle, with perma death and stuff, I would never go back to the isle. The isle is a very hard game to love, and I absolutely despise the devs. Pot is easy to love and I litterally want to give my money to those devs, they are a ray of sunshine

@mechmaze1686

28 күн бұрын

This is probably the sanest comment I’ve seen on here, respect. I wish more people could acknowledge that it’s okay to like something and still admit that it has room for improvement.

For me, I have a hard time seperating Art from Artist. I chose PoT over The Isle partially because I am not a fan of the new direction The Isle is taking, and partially because of Dondi's bheavior.

As someone who has played 800+ hours in both games, Path of Titans has most definitely surpassed The Isle; albeit, this doesn’t mean PoT is all good zero bad. Mainly, modding is an ingenious way of keeping the community active and thriving while Alderon works on more stuff for the official game. Some community servers are probably the best dinosaur experience you’ll get for a while and that’s not really great, but it’s the best we’ve got as a genre right now.

I wish Bob get a true community manager so it can raise and be really good

@wietse9673

Ай бұрын

Who’s Bob? It’s not Ark’s Bob i think so who? 😅

@theskepticalpangolininther3538

Ай бұрын

@@wietse9673 Beasts of Bermuda, the other dinosaur survival game

@thomasinefitzpatrick

Ай бұрын

Bob made too many weird design choices early on. Its an alright(ish) game(IF your into that sort of thing) but is just too strange for most people to even want to try(and thats for the best because its not a good game for most people for those reasons)

@BermudaHawk47

Ай бұрын

@@wietse9673Beasts Of Bermuda lmao

Path of Titans is a fully developed game that allows modding and has a good relationship with its community. The Isle is the world's longest beta test that keeps reinventing the wheel with both developers and community having nothing but animosity for each other. So yeah, PoT has surpassed the Isle by a long shot.

I love Pot and the isle, because dinosaurs, duh. But path of titans does have many issues. But some of those issues are actively being worked on as we speak, can’t say the same for the isle. One of the main issues that I see with Path of titans is the Herbivore bias. But recently carnivores have been getting more buffs, and herbs are getting nerfed. Barsboldia will hopefully be scaled down in its rework, and I hope they do the same for Eotriceratops.

Great vid. I do disagree however with the learning part though, but that's the Australian in me since we are the through you in the deep end to learn kinda people mostly.

I played path for a long time, nowadays I can't get into the game without getting bored. Now the Isle is totally different, whenever I play I have fun and feel like a real dinosaur, unlike the pot. The Isle forever ✊

The main thing i always saw for path is its player retention rate, the amount going on and ways to interact and things to do that helps a meaningful amount of players playing for extended periods and more importantly coming back regularly.

This game has a lot going for it. Decent updates and the time in between them. But the biggest thing, is the mods. The mods carry this game. As do most games with mod access.

(Looking back at this as I write, I realize I'm writing an essay, but if you are willing to bear with me and read, I'd greatly appreciate it^^, thank you XD) With my brand new PC, I decided to hop on the Legacy branch of The Isle, to compare experiences with playing Console POT. Of personal account, I can safely say that to me, Path hasn't just surpassed The Isle, it's replaced it, at least for now. Basically every glaring problem Isle has had, Path of titans has fixed. We're going to have to face it, The Isle now that it's being rebuilt from the ground up, is going to take a LONG time before it's back to being at the glory it once was. The devs opened up what is essentially a game alpha build. Even in it's current state, the game just isn't ready, and won't be for a long time. Path Of Titans, with their modding support, constant work to better their game and at fast pace, and giving the tools to their players to alter their experience, have made their own rock to stand on. Do I think Path is better? No. On quality levels, Isle is of a different tier, and far more in depth to SURVIVAL, when Path takes a slightly different branch. Still survival, but more community oriented. However, Community building is what Isle has lacked, and been it's downfall. There's been no outreach, no proper communication. We hear dev-blogs once in a while, that's it. Path actively communicates with their players, and seeks out every opportunity to continue communicating to make a better game. Who better to ask for opinions than the people playing your game? I still think that Modding has been what has skyrocketed Path's popularity (Looking at you, Absentia Acrocanthosaurus). I think Isle, WHEN IT'S READY, will be fantastic, and capture a level of immersion never seen before in the Genre. even with that sh!tty camera angle. I still think their scent mechanic is top tier, and I BEG Path gets something to it's level, for tracking purposes. Isle is a great game. Path, is a GREAT game. The Isle is better in quality, but Path has followed close behind it, patching the mistakes to it's game, that Isle has made. Path and Isle are literally in the "Pre-Stages" Of the IRL Cold War. USA went through a crash course to build an Atomic Bomb. Soviet Russia build one in record time just after, because they simply copied the steps and fixed the mistakes along the way (Ignoring the spy they had on the inside, lol) that the USA made during their trial and error. Path is just as good as Isle, but their dedication, outreach, and community support has been, and will always be, what has given them their wings to soar to greatness. Isle will catch up, but it may take a few years before Dondi gets his game up and running. I think he WILL make it work, and get The Isle up to snuff with Quality. but until then, Path Of Titans will hold the throne as king of Dino Survival for the foreseeable future. (Plus, Path has got my vote since they are adding Tylosaurus, a Mosasaur that hasn't seen playability since "Sea Monsters: A Prehistoric Adventure" Game for the Wii in 2007, But that would be Biased XD) Thank you for coming to my TED Talk, I'd be happy to discuss this in the replies. As always, have a fantastic day, and good luck surviving on both games.

@shiftyferret9654

Ай бұрын

Oh god, you triggered HORRIBLE memories. Sea Monsters was soooo hard to control on the DS. It’s mechanics were criminal!

for me path is unplayable nothing to do but chill, not even a need to find food

Back when I played the isle last, this was before the new map and migration system, I found the performance to be pretty decent

I love this Isle but I left to BoB for Evrima’s release. (Lack of playables) I found PoT shortly after and I have to say it’s become my favorite for the reasons you’ve mentioned. It’s also the only dino game I can play with rl friends. I am still very excited for Evrima, especially the dibble

I think that POT being on multiple platforms helps a lot when it comes to popularity.

I still say that everyone is forgetting that the Isle has yet to add it's humans. They've balanced the game around HALF of the playable creatures and completely ignored the humans. Not that I want humans in it, I hate the idea, but that's what they have planned. I've been around since the Isle launched and have zero faith in them because all they do is release dinosaurs and maps, then re-do them... and re-do them... and again. They have no game play loop. Path of Titans has it's quests in place, the in-game currency, mod support, ability systems, all of it's factions in (carnivore and herbivore) etc while the Isle has dinosaurs and nesting. Shame really! Also I'm not entirely sure why or how you came to conclusion that PoT's combat is simple when compared to the Isle but will argue that you're wrong. PoT has buffs, cooldowns, debuffs, different play styles and builds on one dinosaur and the Isle has... bite, bite, bite.

Very well said!

we're getting harassed by dondi on the official isle discord server with this one!!! 🔥🔥🔥

Zag change your voice back to the old melancholic one it was calming

It’s only a matter of time before Path of Titans surpasses the Isle by adding immersion and Quality. There already working on updates to unreal engine and enhancing the details on there dinosaurs as Modding puts out extreamly detailed Dino’s and creatures too. And by the time they fix the quests to focus on immersion and nesting, The Isle will be too slow to update and fix there own problems and with the Isles new camera system that is absolutely horrible, PoT will come on top within a year or 2

For me this is like trying to say if an apple is better than an orange. PoT and The Isle are completely different experiences. Personally I'm not a huge fan of PoT. I don't like that you can have multiple dinos on standby, I despise the questing system, and I don't like how shallow the gameplay is. To me it's just a more polished version the The Isle Legacy with an extra feature or two. That is fine for people who liked that version, but I never did. The Isle is going in a direction I like, PoT isn't. I love how each dinosaur in The Isle feels like a unique experience, rather than the same with with slightly different skins. I like how difficult it is. Death means a lot more in The Isle than PoT. Personally, I always saw PoT as a good casual experience or a starter game for someone new to the creature survival genre. It's simple to learn and play. The Isle is what you go to if you want more of a challenge and more depth. I like the Isle for it's depth, and to me it will just be the better game because I have more fun with it.

I’d like to see your opinion on other dinosaur games. Like Roblox Prior Extinction and Era of Terror.

I prefer The Isle's realistical and immersive approach but since I don't have a pc that's decent enough to run it I have to stick to Path for now

I have a lot of time on both games. I have worked on mods for both. I have been banned from Isle servers for being a modder for completely separate servers with no comment, warning or discussion. My main issue with The Isle is updates. POT is very clearly working hard to fix and adjust the game. Posting lists of what they change, adjusting stats to make the characters balanced, and even listening to their community and making more skin packs for purchase. You can SEE they are working on the game. The Isle, yeah they post every now and then and do a massive update dump every 6-8 months but there isn't a lot you can see them doing in the meantime. It feels a bit that POT have scheduled work hours and The Isle is more of a "when you sit at your pc" kind of thing. Ill go back to The Isle when it runs better, servers have rules (no KOS all the time) and there are more dinos.

The dinosaur fights I had with plastic toys as a child surpassed The Isle.

So true,Path may not looks as "detailed" as the Isle.But Pot surpasses the isle as an actually fun and interesting game.Cause at the end of the day people would like a interesting and fun game that allows each player their own creative liberaties.Heck can't wait once they stabilize 100 players in one location like crater

@unboundjackal

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately I can't stand pot, the isle beats it in every category that I care about and the isle just feels more like a "realistic"

@Distix-uz8qr

Ай бұрын

@@unboundjackalcompletely based on your own opinion but cool

@unboundjackal

Ай бұрын

@Distix-uz8qr I thought I made it clear lol

Mods, and the ability to change configs without any mods at all, can make all the difference.

I strongly agree with almost everything that you say on the video but you should also note that Post is in a far more advanced stage of development than the isle, hence the big differences

Im pretty sure me going all the way through school was faster than the isles updates 😂

Imma make a dinosaur game and take all this advice

This channel is pure gold!

Sorry to say this but the isle is gonna die of it continues down this rabbit hole and it all comes down to Dondi. He is a horrible game producer and a disgrace on the dinosaur community as a whole. He starts projects and then give up almost immediately (as seen with primal carnage extinction)and he’s just a deadbeat man in real live doing all sorts of of questionable things from taking doing random woman in the work office to protecting a pedofile. So if the isle is to have any chance of redemption it needs a new lead developer asap. And sorry to be so pessimistic but it’s the hard truth.

@NateL1992

Ай бұрын

100%!!

The isle is the better game. But for some reason Dondi and his devs are unable To make progress. The Isle is at a seeming standstill and the reputation of Dondi and his team couldn’t be worse.

From my perspective if the isle changes their dev team they will easilly suprass POT because they have great funding but bad devs.

the only reason i dont play PoT is because the weird growth quest and the frequent server restarts

The big thing for PoT is modding. We don't have to wait years for new map or dinos. PoT mods community is crazy, brand new mods almost every week or month and most of the time very high quality.

I play both but I really hate the corpses in POT for some reason, I love the gore of TI but POTs bodies are just cheesy as fuck

The answer is yes, PoT has, lol. Don't forget about the developers, in one game, which is POT, the developers actively do their work, interact with their audience and even support them (mods). In the other game, which is The Isle, we have toxic Dondi and updates every six months, lol.

I played both, path has alot of nice people working on the game who listen to their players and look what they can do. They also work on balancing the game alot and bring out content on regular bases. The Isle never has any updates even bugs never get patched and the developers don't give a damn about their player base at all. For me thats the biggest reason why my decision fell onto POT.

i actually like learning a game without somebody taking my hand or having a heavy tutorial, unless its a very complicated game like crussader kings. So for me this is really not an arguement.

I never tried POT. Seen a video of a T-rex collecting flowers or something like that and lost interest before even trying it. Seems like a totally different thing to me than the isle.

@itsmanddy6591

Ай бұрын

It is and its so boring trying to grow collecting stuff and it takes so so so long. The isle pisses me off in every way with the glitches bugs and spots u can get stuck in not to mention the cheaters but you dont get any of that in PoT

@toniotrussardi8126

Ай бұрын

@@itsmanddy6591 also in the isle dying is far more annoying than in pot honestly

@ediwow2352

Ай бұрын

yall know that playing on community server is a thing right???

@itsmanddy6591

Ай бұрын

@@ediwow2352 unfortunately for me im Australian and the ping is so much for me to play community servers

@wolflover1223

Ай бұрын

Exactly what i originally thought while playing the isle. Until I actually tried it and I haven’t touched the isle since

Its pains me and I never thought I would say it but path of titans clears the isle high diff

Dondi made it clear years ago that because I wasn't a "hardcore" elite pvp tryhard that he didn't want me as a customer, so I've simply obliged him.

As a long time dino survival game enjoyer, I have trouble enjoying either. The growing just feels so boring across all the dino sim games right now. My favorite parts in the isle were travelling with herds across the map when herbivore mixed species herding was a thing. Though POT has mixed species herding, they also have global/local chat and it takes away a lot of my immersion when the pack of predators hunting my herd are casually chatting and I can see everything they are saying. When POT releases the better questing system and nesting itll stomp the isle into the ground tbh. But when The Isle releases humans and humans capable of fixing bases and whatnot, I'll play the Isle more for those human-dino interactions.

At being the most popular yes ut surpassed it, but they are trying to be different games, so at what they are doing they didnt better than the other

Little warning for people who decide to play POT. If u play it look for a Community server do NOT play on official. Don't get me wrong i had alot of fun playing official and put about 300 hours into them getting all the dinosaurs on adult but official servers are full of mixpacking groups of herbi and carnivores running around killing everyone and a large amount of toxicity in the chat. Community servers on the other hand like the Crimson server have more dinosaurs because of mods that are supported by the the developers themselfs so they are automatically downloaded by joining the server and also they got rules, sure u have to read and follow these rules else u got banned but because of it u get a very immersive feeling and u can truely follow ur childhood dream to really be the dinosaur of your choice. Just don't give urself a bad time and play on official server...

The isle just lack in some gameplay decision but the game is totally better

like I said in the Steam forums, Dondi must be removed from game director and be replaced with somebody with a clear idea of the game's priorities. Dondi is so far up his own rectum he is singlehandedly boycotting his own creation.

I feel like I love both games but Path with all its flaws definitely feels more fun I feel like Isle added quite a bit that made it more like playing dodgeball with cacti collecting random items isn't great either but I like it a bit better than trying to balance random diets and having to sit for 10 minutes recovering stamina night vision system is pretty bad too especially with Ptera which pretty much becomes unplayable the moment darkness sets in

So basically path is a dino video game and the isle a interactive documentary 😂😂😂

I play pot but wold love to try the isle. If it was on console 😢

I havent bothered with the isle for about a year now because of the performance, its a shame because i enjoy roleplaying

The isle is so pretty, but it’s so laggy I can’t even play, when my ping is below 100 I still get bit from someone 10 feet away from me, it’s not even worth playing

The isle simply isn’t fun. Call me bad at the game, but I couldn’t imagine it ever becoming my main game again, as legacy has been (I miss the old The Isle).

Both have their own reason to play. Path of titans focus is clearly pvp right now, while pretty much leaving the survival aspect to be food and water stuff. The isles focus is a lot more survival than pvp. The isle is the only game that has fixed the problem (although they didnt do it that well), that if a player gets bored, they search for pvp. But since the isle constantly puts you on the edge of starvation/dehydration/loss of diets, it eliminates that boredom since you constantly need to take care of your dino. Also as mentioned in the video, path of titans is way more beginner friendly, with tutorials and explanation everywhere.

the isle's community and their relationship with the game is pretty similar to war thunder's community, in the sense that pretty much every isle player hates the game yet they can't stop playing it

The isles performane was a reality when it launched. Even after some years it was actually unplayable for me with not that good gpu. But after fsr now 3.0 its actually playable with high settings + lumen i can get 50-70fps. 5500XT btw.

its still crazy how the isle got its recognition without marketing. The game was so good it spread from word to mouth and became what it is today.

@purringangel7607

26 күн бұрын

No- the only reason it did so well was because it was the only game that allowed you to be the dinosaur.

I know that PoT is in such a position in the community that any question about it is "heresy" if it is not praising PoT, but until a year ago PvP battles were the only activity PoT had to offer and there are videos on KZread of former PoT players they say they quit the game because there is nothing else to do and it quickly becomes boring. Has this changed in the past year or is PoT still a game focused on PvP battles?

i played the isle leagacy for four years it was lot of fun but recently number of players fall so it started geting boring then i switched evrima and i liked it but i disliked it bc problem for me in evrima is that lot of players plays unoffcial servers and theres no global chat.gloval chat was a reason i liked playing leagacy bc it was giving fun experience while evrima what i experienced in groups is that its always killing so i then switched to PoT and im having fun but problem for me is that there are a lot new players when on group or they doesen t speak and it doesen t give dinosaur fell but still realy love it and having fun

Only because POT is on basically everything.

The Isle is pretty to look at. That's it. It's a FUCKING CHORE to play, the performance optimization is ATROCIOUSLY BAD. The community and the devs are on par with League of Legends players on toxicity basis. There's A TON of hackers infesting on the official servers with 0 repercussions. This game is NOT WORTH the money, or your time. People defend it so hardly because they're emocionatly attached to it.

@alunaticwithashotgun9840

Ай бұрын

Naah, it's pretty fun in my opinion, also I've seen more toxic players in other games, specially Rust, that game genuinely makes The Isle look like a cake walk. I have like 1500+ hours in The Isle and I got it back when Evrima wasn't even a thing, so I got a free upgrade, best 31 Liras I have ever spent. When people kill you in The Isle it's usually either someone trying to get food or trying to avoid becoming food, while Rust players will kill you at spawn even though they know for a fact that they have nothing to gain from it, The Isle's players ar not any more toxic than the players of every other online survival game, it's just something that comes with the genre.