Assuming everything else is equal, Which one is better depends in part on the software quality and the frequency of updates.

@JoeyBlogs007

21 күн бұрын

I doubt it. China skimps on mechanical soundness. It might go fast and look flashy on the surface, however service and reliability remains a concern for most Chinese products, not just EVs.

Hi Sam, thank you. Fantastic news, the development of EV is staggering. In just 20 years, we are seeing huge technology improvements, as you have previously pointed out. It won't stop here, in 12months these improvements will start to look obsolete. Prices are also becoming regular events with reductions each month. Australians are already on board and will rapidly accelerate sales of new EVs. Truly, great times to witness, motoring history being made. Great posts

I'll keep my Model Y, thanks.

@electricviking

21 күн бұрын

Thanks mate!

Not sure why all pricing has to be in $US when it is not even going to the USA.

Last week I charged my TM3 LR at 1,000 miles per hour on a 250 Supercharger I was amazed 👏.2023.

I would go for the Zeekr - but wait until the first errors has been corrected. I believe the assembly on the Zeekr are better overall, than on the Tesla. The most interesting competitive car from Tesla, will probably be the model 2 / Redwood in SUV version.

@Usersf134ssk

21 күн бұрын

You can say the same with geely as a whole too. This is why when chinese brands entered our market, I went with Geely after months and months of research and checking out all other options.

Which is better-which one has a support system when it breaks down. I don’t know what it’s like for BYD in Australia. In America, there is no BYD. Tesla service centers are almost nonexistent, and you can’t go just anywhere to get it fixed. That’s why I bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5

Northern Europe here.. obviously going for the one that handles better in the cold.

It already looks amazing. I would buy it over the the model Y.

Nice looking EV.

Geely are just announcing many cars but none started production yet. They already announced the following brands Zeekr 007 Wagon, Zeekr EX1E, Zeekr 7X.

@MauriceOldis

21 күн бұрын

which is my other car to consider XPeng look like they will have a similar FSD (a copy?) to Tesla as well

My wife likes the face of model Y and 3 old or new versions, does not like the back, she does like the X7, but does it have FSD and good connectivity?

I am ready to buy. Might just wait until mid next year. I’m going to the Melbourne show next month to kick the tyres of about to be released SUV’s. The tow bar would be the deal breaker.

I just saw the new 7X photos in silver.. it looks like the body design of Xpeng G6...😊

You have to ask the question again of it's really available on your market. At that time a lot could have changed. If the pricing is about the same I would like to try the zeeker

Zeekr every time if you want indicator stalk, driver & heads-up display pretty sure it will have a rear wiper and Android Auto & Apple CarPlay. This is the reason I went for a Geely made car, I couldn’t live with a Tesla.

@ciybersal9833

21 күн бұрын

Me too

@GWAForUTBE

17 күн бұрын

Tesla was awarded " Most Return Customer "

I think the Zeekr is the more appealing car, and better value for money. But what about servicing and customer support in Australia?

Good specs on the car. Never hear about voice recognition, route planning, traveling battery status displays, remote car monitoring; basically the software side.

I will go with Zeekr X here in Sweden, they almost give it away on leasing, the price right now is only 374 USD/month which is a big temporary price reduction from the price 634 USD and this models have all I need, comfort, responsiveness, ventilated seats, modern systems, big screen in the center, still a screen behind the steering wheel, a lot of space for passengers in the back seat. Was considering 001 before when this fantastic price was revealed, I would wanna buy 7X, but I suspect it will be too expensive, it have to get a much higher price range than 001.

Can you buy it with a towbar?

How many 500KW chargers are available in AU? Battery charging capacity is just theoretical.

I'd say the model y refresh will be at least as good on most things, plus fsd. Personally it would take a lot for me to buy a chinese designed car (thought no necessarily in the future). I've seen many issues with them. Maybe they are great, but it will take me a few generations of a brand before I would touch them, similar to when tesla started, I wouldn't have bothered with them. Reality is often different to specs

Can it do FSD Supervised?

Temperatures are low not cold.

I’m in the US, so it doesn’t matter how good it is or how good a deal it is. Our masters will not allow it.

@abelincoln3261

21 күн бұрын

This is a Geely.. it can be sold here. made in Mexico or Canada.. you'll see.

@mnhsty

20 күн бұрын

@@abelincoln3261 I hope you are right, but I suspect it’s years away if ever.

Which one is safer? And by how much?

@shannon6876

21 күн бұрын

I'd put good money on Tesla, who currently lead the world for safety.

@user-mj9tr3ym5t

21 күн бұрын

@@shannon6876 Ok tesla stock holder

What s the charging curve though

Tesla should take this competition seriously, and they probably will. And Elon; It's not just the technology, but also the design. 😳 I like a lot of what Tesla manages to do in the electric car market, but the design, especially on the Model Y, can they do a much more innovative makeover than on the Model 3?😳 Will they?😳 I don't think so😞 The FSD seems to impress, but I love driving my car myself as long as my health allows. After that, FSD can be a great option for personal transport if the authorities allow it.😉👍🏻

Have the same problem what to choose....let's wait...for priceing in EU

I would choose tesla y. Teslay has lot of things that zeekr has not, proven, safetu, liability, fsd. As you have said chineese manufactures are creatin new models all the time, will 7x still be inproduction after 5 years

@zachrome91

15 күн бұрын

That’s the point. I don’t want to drive a car today that has been in production for 5 years. That’s regression.

@zhengzeng1515

15 күн бұрын

Hard to say. unlike Tesla, 5 years are long enough for the these Chinese car manufactures to update car models with 2 generations. It will be a completely different car model after development of 5 years.

In Europe we now need the electric cars that are almost as good as Teslas but at least $ 10.000 to 20.000 cheaper to push to the next level of sales and market shares in the EU.

Can't answer your question, Sam, until we see what the Juniper brings to the table.

Range is getting close to what I would consider usable for long trips.

I'd prefer superior battery technology to self driving. What I'd also like is a car that didn't use an iPad to control everything. I'm old, I want dials and buttons. The dashboard with a bigass touchscreen is one of the worst aesthetic trends in cars in a very long time.

@DanielEndy2

21 күн бұрын

@@hellomeatrobots so, you’re still using a blackberry? I’m betting that you are not. Touchscreens are here to stay.

@michaelrutledge5991

21 күн бұрын

​@@DanielEndy2touchscreens in appropriate places, not when you are driving!

@hellomeatrobots

21 күн бұрын

@@DanielEndy2 I’m not driving with my phone (it doesn’t even have a cup holder) and I’m not doing KZread with my car. It also doesn’t make bigass touchscreens in cars any less ugly.

@dingxiong8604

21 күн бұрын

Common functions such as mode switching have physical buttons, and the air conditioning can be adjusted when getting on the car. When driving, you can control it through voice commands without affecting the user experience

I'm curious, is 500kW charging achieved with a bigger wire guage in the charging cable or a higher DC voltage, above 800V?

@davidbrayshaw3529

17 күн бұрын

Power in watts is the multiple of Voltage (E or volts) and current (I or amps). i.e. 1 amp times 500,000 volts = 500kwh, or alternatively you could have 500,000 amps times 1 volt = 500kwh. Either way, it's a heck of a lot of power. It's enough power to supply the average Australian house for nearly a month. I'm noy joking, nor stretching the truth. Batteries require a voltage slightly in excess of their nominal voltage to charge. So to charge an 800 Volt battery, you'll need a power supply that runs at 800 and "something" volts. The amount of current pushed by this voltage will determine the charging rate over time, or "power". So, for a 60kwh 800v. battery to be charged in the space of an hour... 60,000/800= 75 amps. That's a bit more current than a typical Australian house is fused at, and it's more than three times the power than your typical Australian house can consume with absolutely everything turned on in it and running flat out. So, if that went all over your head, you need a heck of a big power supply, to start with. i.e. a new substation in close proximity to high tension lines. Secondly, you're going to need a pretty big charging cable. Voltage/Current = Resistance. Resistance produces heat, so you need a low resistance conductor and one that can dissipate heat. And just think about this. To put this all in context, to something that you can relate to, 500kwh is enough power to run 375 average Australian homes for 1 hour. It's a breathtaking amount of power. But it's enough power to be able to charge a 60kwh battery in less than 10 minutes, not accounting for physical limitations. It's a big deal to the EV community. Is it going to be practical to rollout these sorts of chargers en masses? You can do the maths on that.

@emmaatkinson4334

17 күн бұрын

@@davidbrayshaw3529 I know. I was doing the sums in my head. 500kW at 800V implies cables that can carry 625 Amps plus some headroom for safety while charging. The starter motor in my car doesn't carry that much current and the leads are very short and quite heavy. So, my question is this, "Are Geely introducing a new 1200V or 1600V (next in the sequence {400V, 800V, ...} DC charging capability or are owners going to need to go to the gym and pump iron." At 1200V the cable carries 417A; at 1600V the cable carries a more reasonable 313A. If the latter I presume existing cables might have insulation and connectors good enough for the higher voltage. I suppose a 500kW charging capability could be implemented as dual 250W charging where the battery pack is charged in two halves with independently negotiated charge rates. It would mean finding a charging station with two working superfast chargers side-by-side.

@davidbrayshaw3529

17 күн бұрын

@@emmaatkinson4334 Firstly, I must apologise as I have misinterpreted your question. Given the amount of knowledge that you have demonstrated in your second post, you know as much as me and probably a whole lot more. I too wonder how such huge currents can be managed in a system such as this. Surely the battery is split into multiple circuits to be able to achieve this. I'm guessing that battery banks are isolated from being in parallel with the whole unit in order to reduce current. Perhaps the battery's series connections can somehow be changed to accept higher voltages? I don't know, is the answer. Whether it be 625 amps or 313 amps, those numbers are ridiculously high at just about any of the voltages that we're discussing, here. Yes, a vehicle starter motor may draw even more than that, but how long is it drawing that current for? Time is a "thing" in electronics, especially when it comes to resistance (heat). I am of the understanding that liquid cooling is used on other high current charging systems. Perhaps that, in combination with "up specced" transmission lines and internal battery "temporary re-wiring" would make this possible? Once again, I don't know. You've left me with more questions than answers! Just the same, thank you for your reply. If you do manage to make sense of this, I would appreciate any clarification that you can offer. Cheers, David.

If I could buy one I would but I'd still buy the stock I'm down a little but that don't matter. More it drops more I am buying more

I have made the same mistake with chinesse tech like 3 to 4 times now. Specs look great, best price, they look the part, put then you come to realize the cutting corners, the bad implementation, the terrible UI or software, the lack of support, etc.. etc.. So I think most Chinesse brands need to win the western trust. So I wouldn't invest in ZK stock, that's what I thought, then went to actually see the stock, yeah....

If these two Geely's were sold in America they could not keep up with production. This quality price and tech blows everything away..

@rare_wubbox360

15 күн бұрын

No no.. Teslas fsd blods EVERYTHING away

Go with this if it has conventional stalk controls!

Zeekr 7X looks different Tesla's all seem to look the same but if I had the cash I would have both 🙂

This means Game over for Tesla!

Bugger, I was waiting for the new Y now you have me thinking,ummmm!

I like it. 👍🏾

I would love one but like most EVs it will be to expensive for me at this stage.

7X and X7 may have the same letters, but they are nothing alike. They don't even sound similar. One has a number before a letter; the other the opposite.

IMHO looks more like a Porsche?

Without a doubt, the Chinese car takes the lead. And do you know why? It's simple. In today's world of electric vehicles, the key components that matter most are the battery and software. Personally, I prefer doing it myself rather than depending on self-driving technology. In our household, my wife opts for the BYD seal while I confidently drive the Tesla Model 3. Surprisingly, the BYD outperforms my car by a significant margin.

You can see me?! How?😅

I would prefer non CCP-sponsored and FSD supported EV with refreshed features manufactured in Berlin without EU tariffs 😁

@larryc1616

21 күн бұрын

Tesla Berlin ⚡️ 🇩🇪 🇺🇲

I'd buy a Zeekr car. Tesla cars, especially M3 and MY, look boring AF...

@ciybersal9833

21 күн бұрын

Tesla is most boring of all

Is the Electric Viking being paid by Zeekr to put out all these 'advertising' videos? Wasnt he in China recently to visit Zeekr? Was his trip paid for by them? Has he disclosed anything regarding this?

Tesla is the best car ever

Sam, what's the point of your frequent Zeekr reviews when Zeekr isn't available anywhere other than China.

@Simon-dm8zv

15 күн бұрын

Zeekr is available in several European countries, Australia, Israel and Singapore.

Onvo will be the winner

500 kw charging is impressive but I am wondering where or if there is a 500kw charger.

@jasonmcintosh3448

21 күн бұрын

Yeah means nothing, you'll need Liquid cooled charging cable

@thomaswilson2917

21 күн бұрын

No where to charge at 500kw. Best question how fast does it charge on a 250kw Tesla charger If you road trips that's where the dependable charging will be.

When everyone wants to name drop & compare themselves to the Model Y but nobody can come close to it that’s called clout chasing.

How about these Chinese Ev companies start taking more of an interest in improving the charging networks for long distance travel. Because that’s what we need in Australia!!! Only Tesla does that!

Cheers mate

@electricviking

21 күн бұрын

Thanks Mate!

But the Mercedes AMG Gwagon is way better!

@larryc1616

21 күн бұрын

Ice is junk now

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

21 күн бұрын

​@@larryc1616Why?I drove in one Yesterday,Its amazing!

@Simon-dm8zv

15 күн бұрын

@@larryc1616 There is an electric Gwagon.

@Simon-dm8zv

15 күн бұрын

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nlYou know why ICE is junk.

@larryc1616

15 күн бұрын

CyberBeast ⚡️🇺🇲

Forget about Tesla!!!

Morning mate

Vladimir Putin visits China in May to discuss increased Chinese assistance to his invasion of Ukraine. A month later the Electric Viking visits China to promote Chinese electric cars. What the hell are you doing Sam?

X7 7X lol its different

Tesla has been around longer and should be more stable. I would chose Tesla

@user-uj9fl3rd7n

21 күн бұрын

Yes, you might. But after a few years, people normally buy a new car. There's nothing else from Tesla, you won't buy the same car again. And here's when and why the Chinese brands are in demand

@ciybersal9833

21 күн бұрын

Lame old boring model Yawwwwn

@mackan7086

16 күн бұрын

With that kind of reasoning we should chose a car maker that has been around for 50 or 100 years.

@mr.foxwiz1653

16 күн бұрын

@@mackan7086 Like Toyota or Honda? 😁😁😁😁😁 By the way, I didn’t say 50+ years but I wouldn’t buy a car from a company that was only 2 years old.

@FraiseVache

12 күн бұрын

​​​@@user-uj9fl3rd7nwhy the hell not? I have a MY and I'm planning on replacing it by the juniper MY when it comes out. And if it was not coming out I would just replace it with a new MY. I don't see why the hell I would take the risk of going to anything else when this one is near perfect (for me) already. I'm pretty sure anything else would be worse. Why bother?

Would NEVER purchase a Chinese EV under any circumstances -- Texas, USA.

I dont like those humps on the front of the roof.

Super fast charging must be maintained as an observation for some reason. Zzzzzzzzz

You are very Zeekr biased!

I am not sure why you are referring to outside China as international. World trade rules should apply universally. If 7X is not good outside China, its not good in China. People outside China get annoyed when China just wants to use its own rules. These cars are cheap because of illegal labour practices, including child labour.

@weavebrain

21 күн бұрын

Sour grapes, ya bigot. Child labour etc is patently BS

I do not want ANY CAR FROM CHINA PERIOD!

@larryc1616

21 күн бұрын

Everything bought and sold in America is made in China. Look at all the stuff in your house 🤭

Where on planet earth are you going to get 500kw of charging without being parked next to a nuclear power station with an effing big fire extinguisher.

Tesla has already lost the game. Consumer products are not their focus anymore. Tesla is not capable to innovate fast enough anymore. One new car out in five years, which is a childish toy for non-grown-ups needing some boost to their manhood.

@ciybersal9833

21 күн бұрын

That's why Tesla is losing market share especially in China

@larryc1616

21 күн бұрын

Tesla #1🇺🇲 Cope hard.