When I was talking about the resale value of cars bought today in 10 years from now, there are 2 points you in the comments have pointed out... #1 - my estimate for the Prius (despite having the new design) WAS too high and it's probably more like 15k as opposed to 25k. And #2 ICE cars might not have as great resale in 10 years either since they will likely be less in demand. Who knows! I will also add I just checked in with my friend who has a 2018 Tesla and he says while the build quality isn't great compared to his 2018 Toyota 4Runner (doors closing tight, rattling while driving etc) he has said that the Tesla still runs great in 2024 with 100K+ mileage on it. That's reassuring.

@LucasFR11

2 ай бұрын

The Prius is made in Japan, check out the build quality in person

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@@LucasFR11 Interesting! I drove the non-Prime Prius a couple weeks ago and it felt great. It was surprisingly comfortable.

@DigiDriftZone

Ай бұрын

The strange thing about the chemical soup you get in Lithium based chemistries is they age even if you don't drive the car - think trying to charge up a battery that's just been sitting in a drawer for 10 years. There are so many examples on the Tesla forums of the batteries lasting over 200k miles, but also ones failing in under 40k miles just from the age of the vehicle and likely other factors like how often it was parked in the cold, or in direct sunlight, how often it was supercharged, how often it was discharged below 10%, or above 80%, or more basic things like the battery housing developing a leak over time. More worrying there are many examples of batteries showing minimal degradation but going from 50% charge to 0 in the space of 1 mile, or shutting off on the road when you try to accelerate. You may have experienced something similar on a 3-5 year old phone battery where you try to make a call and the phone reboots because the cells cannot provide the required voltage anymore, despite the battery health showing 85%.

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

@@DigiDriftZone Yeah that is interesting to consider for sure. In the past I definitely felt more examples of that... but I feel like my Samsung S21 is still going strong. Not sure I'd want to base buying a $50,000+ vehicle off of that experience though!!

@JonLake

9 күн бұрын

​​@@TheSAHDLife Garages are adapting and are getting the experience to work on EVs. A 15k battery replacement will be cheaper in 3-5 years since they will be replacing dead cells/packs instead of the full kit. Go watch electrified garage videos !

Funny things is, they talk about oil changes as being an annoying things, but don't consider about hour long charging time as annoying when you are planning for a long trip

@TheSAHDLife

10 күн бұрын

Yeah I hear you... but for some of us, we will do 100% of our charging at home. That would sure be annoying though, especially as charging stations get busier and busier.

@maaike3259

9 күн бұрын

It really depends on the charging archetype of the EV. They don’t all charge at the same speed. My husband has the fastest archetype charging infrastructure in his car and fully charges his Ioniq 5 at a charging station (fastest charger) in 15 min. The Teslas don’t charge as fast. If he’s not on a road trip he uses our regular level 1 charger at home and it takes 12 hours. He’s got enough range (about 330 miles) that he doesn’t drive enough during the work week to even need to charge it every day.

@Alopen-xb1rb

8 күн бұрын

Thats because it’s not an hour to charge. Just got back from a roadtrip in an EV and 19% to 80% charge was under 25 minutes. From 47% - 80% was 14 minutes. It’s not an hour. It is longer than a tank of gas fill-up. But even during that 25 minute charge I was still waiting on my order at the local Wendys. So if you plan around them it’s not that big of a deal. Charges at home are slower and done overnight but supercharges are the ones you seem to be referring to and they are much, much faster.

@maaike3259

7 күн бұрын

@@Alopen-xb1rb exactly- it’s not even close to an hour, depending on the type of car. VW ID4 is still about 45 min I hear. Most people (especially with kids) while on long road trips need to stop every 2-3 hours anyway, even if you’re driving an ICE car. We were at a QT gas station in GA the other day and waited 20 min for some of their fresh pizza- if my husband had been charging he would have been done by then, plus then some.

@collinbradford8866

7 күн бұрын

The Hyundai Ionic 5 has 1 of the fastest charge times if that is the goal.

I chose having fun vs saving money simply because life is too short. I won't be able to bring the money saved to the other side. It's ok to die broke with a smile on my face in my last moments of my life. Awesome analysis of the subject ! Good job man !

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

Yeah you know I like that mindset too. It's very rare I regret buying the nicer item. We still haven't made up our mind. I'm really interested to see what the new Model Y's will look like, but jeez Musk makes it tough to invest in Tesla!

One aspect that is often overlooked for PHEV, is that if you use it in EV mode all the time, your engine and fuel are going to go bad and you'll have premature damage to those. It's difficult to find a place where PHEV would be the best choice. If you do a lot of long trips, a HEV is probably your best choice if you can't live with an extra 20 minutes of charging time (also electricity on fast chargers is not cheap). PHEVs will have bigger consumption because of the extra-weight and you wouldn't get as much benefit of a bigger battery. If you do very few long trips in a year, an EV is a good choice as you won't have those 20 minutes extra a lot of times in the year. A PHEV would probably suffer premature degradation of engine and battery (since the battery is smaller, you do more cycles, even-though it should still last quite long and will be replaced for cheaper). On paper, PHEV is a great idea and I was planning to buy the Prius PHEV. But I ended up with an EV instead after doing all my research because I would be using it in EV mode for 6 months straight so very bad for the ICE. And the EV is so much more fun to drive. Regarding tires, it depends on how you drive. I get the same millage between my EV and my ICE on a set of tires.

@TheSAHDLife

12 күн бұрын

Interesting comment! I would have guessed they would have thought of that (gas remaining in the vehicle in some cases for months on end) but maybe they didn't. What EV did you end up getting? And yeah, I mean to be honest the range would never be an issue for us if we went straight EV. We both work from home and it would be a commuter 99% of the time. We could use our other vehicle for long trips though we don't fully trust it won't die on us again (Hyundai!)... but it does have a new engine in it.

@johngonon1507

12 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I bought a Smart #3 in the end. When I saw it and test drove it (for 3 hours), it submerged me. I was only test driving cars to see what was around for later ... but ended up falling for one. For the premature damage, that was what transpired of lots of articles I read about not using an ICE for a long time (because I knew it was my use case). A solution would be to always end your journey with a tank mostly empty so you can put new gas when going on a new trip. This would make the gas more suitable for use and have less of an impact. But of course it's more micro management. And still having an ICE to manage with oil changes and stuff ... I live with a few minutes "lost" on longer trips that I do 4 times a year. One I found again: www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-long-can-gas-sit-in-a-car-before-it-goes-bad

@TheSAHDLife

12 күн бұрын

@@johngonon1507 Thanks for sharing the link. Sorry, what's a Smart #3?

@johngonon1507

12 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife It's a model from the "Smart" brand (50/50 between Mercedes and Geely)

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

@@johngonon1507 Cool! Never heard of it.

All very clearly, entertainingly presented and compared. Thank you!

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Really appreciate it. I love talking about this stuff! It's a tough decision but hopefully I gave people some things to consider. What would you buy right now if you could or had to?

@richryan8904

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I like the idea of charging at home for 50/60 miles range but also having an ICE back up, so a phev for me, if I was in the market. Do you like or watch Out of Spec Motors with Kyle? He’s an entertaining EV geek

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@@richryan8904 Never heard of him before. Will check it out, thanks for the share! 👊

Dont be logical. Life is short, have fun while you can !!! In 10years you wont thing about the 10k you lost but all the fun you had along the way ! Plus, tesla model 3 is the most safe car ever

@TheSAHDLife

8 күн бұрын

Hehehe I agree with you!!! Though my accountant wife on the other hand does not lol 😆

@sorinelpustiu5674

6 күн бұрын

And Toyota fakes their safety tests....they got caught recently

One of the best videos I've seen. Very comprehensive explanation. Thank you! Couple of follow up questions: - How's the behaviour with cold weather? - Prime not having AWD is not ideal, what's your thoughts? - What do you think about Niro Plug in? Thank you!

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you found the video. From my research EV's lose on average 10-25% range depending on how cold it is. I didn't see how cold it needs to be for these changes to take effect but I imagine it's sub-zero temperatures. I know they have heat-pumps but I didn't really go too deep into learning how they work on EV's. The Prime not having AWD is a big deal. That sucks! For where I live that is a reason I wouldn't consider it. If I was just buying this as a commuter it wouldn't be a big deal... but we both work from home and the next car we get will be our main family car so, I'd rather have something that feels safer/more capable. The Niro looks like a neat little car. I think it would probably be a fine buy, but it might just be hard to sell on the other side. I personally really enjoy Korean Styling, especially on their interiors when it comes to the other car manufacturers, however, resell for them is hot garbage. While we have loved our Hyundai, the engine DID die on us at 90,000kms even though we babied it. To be fair, Hyundai put in a new engine out of warranty but still... we lost an AMAZING weekend and had so much stress for awhile there.... I'm not sure I would buy a Hyundai or Kia... MAYBE a full electric but I'm not sure I trust how they machine their combustion motors. Hope that helps! You looking for a cheaper plug-in?

@tomasbahamonde3795

Ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife thank you! We are looking for a reliable and safe commute car for Calgary. Our main family car is an Outback which is perfect, so looking for a smaller for city use. I'm checking: Crosstrek Onyx Trim (have everything except for the fuel consumption), Prius (Hybrid and Plugin) and Niro (Hybrid and Plugin).

@Panda-AE86

5 күн бұрын

​@tomasbahamonde3795 FYI the Prius Prime hybrid (not plug-in) is available in AWD

Very great and informative video. Thanks a lot.

@TheSAHDLife

23 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it! 👊

really helpful breakdown, thanks for sharing this

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

Glad you found the video! Thanks for the comment 👊

Great video brother. Like the way you put facts. My point on 10yr from now is, lot can be changed as solid state battery tech others can enable the batteries to be damn cheap. The 20k full EV swap can be 5k... how know. 😊

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Thanks man! Do you think the newer Solid State batteries might be able to be placed in the older, let's say Tesla, batteries as replacements in the future? Is that what you're saying? Or would you wait to get a solid state in the first place so that they will be cheaper to replace in the future.

@anonymousfu

8 күн бұрын

I would guess 10y from now there would be lots of options for battery replacement, and much cheaper prices.

Living in the UK I went from a diesel to a plug in hybrid then to an EV. Finally decided to go back to plug in hybrid as it suits our lifestyle better than a long range EV. We kept an older EV as our 2nd car for the last 8 years and plan to keep it until its RIP 😊

@TheSAHDLife

Күн бұрын

That's interesting and sounds like a good setup... something we would like to have as well. Do you mind if I ask which vehicles in particular you kept?

Loved this video, i am glad I saw it. Helped me made a decision super quick 🤘

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

Glad you found the video! What'd you decide?!

Used model 3 long range is what I bought, this is the best value right now. For like 35 you can get a great car with 6 years warranty still

@TheSAHDLife

15 күн бұрын

Yeah that's sweet. A fun car to have too I bet. I'm jealous!

@krisevon

12 күн бұрын

I’m considering awd and rwd. Extremely good savings over new. About 27K for rwd 1 or 2 years old is tough to beat.

Hi SAHD, very good video. I would like to add some key points to this topic: 1. Batteries will become much cheaper in 10 years if you look at the price trend of EV batteries. 2. According to HLDI, Tesla is much safer than most hybrid cars. I personally value this a lot. I'm not sure if the hybrid you mentioned has AWD; if not, driving in any Canadian city other than Vancouver will be challenging in the winter. 3. Hybrid cars don't depreciate as quickly because their current supply doesn't meet demand (especially for Toyota). However, once the supply meets demand, they will depreciate faster since hybrid cars have higher maintenance costs than EVs and gas cars due to having both gas and electric engines and the fast technology advancement in the hybrid market.

@TheSAHDLife

6 күн бұрын

Good comment, thanks! I hope you're right about the batteries... that would be a nice peace of mind to have. So what would you buy right now?

@yangliu1376

6 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I just bought a 2022 model y long range a week ago. Currently the older model have very good deals.

@TheSAHDLife

6 күн бұрын

@@yangliu1376 Beauty! I'm jealous. Seems like a great vehicle.

@fishermn4220

3 күн бұрын

Hybrids do not have more maintenance actually because hybrids don't have an alternator, starter, or serpentine belt that has to be replaced over time like a gas engine.

Great video by the way .

@TheSAHDLife

10 күн бұрын

Thanks! Really appreciate the comment 👊

Great video, am just curious, how much was the cost of petrol per gallon as at the time this video was made? I struggled to find that in this video.

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Good question! It cost about $1.99 Per Litre here in Canada or $1.45 USD Per Litre ($5.50USD per Gallon). To be fair it has come down quite a bit since making this video but I'm sure that won't last long.

I'm in the same boat. Thanks for this video. Please let us know what you decide 😊

@TheSAHDLife

19 сағат бұрын

Haha oh I will. We are still keeping costs down for as long as possible by having 1 vehicle. See the problem we have is that... if we could easily afford 2 vehicles we would get a big hybrid for family trips then an EV for around town/errands, but we can't. Since we are just rocking 1 we can't commit to a particular car technology for that swiss-army vehicle right now. I've had some good chats with people in the comments and it's all over the map. People are loyal on all sides. I lean towards EV because of how we drive. It would be great literally for 99% of the time. It's just that trip every few months that I'm worried about.... well and the longevity... resale...etc. lol But if we had to buy something today, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid is still high on the list but $$$. Arghh! What are you leaning towards?

We finally got our new 2024 Prime in March. Our third Prius. Very pleased with the first two (non Prime), and each averaged 4.4 L per 100Km year round. When we made the deal for the 2024, the dealer offered $10,000 for our 12 year old Model C, half of what we paid new. I don't think that in 12 years a dealer (or anyone else), will consider paying 1/2 the original cost of a Tesla considering the price to replace the Traction battery. The new Prime ? We have driven it 3,600+Km so far and bought just $45.00 (a half tank), only because we had to take a road trip. And, oh, it cost more than $20,000 less than the cheapest Tesla. I like these numbers.

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

That's awesome, thanks for sharing. Jeez we still go back and forth almost daily. For awhile there we got really excited about the fuel savings of a full EV but we would be able to charge our car every night at home and might be able to get almost those same savings with a PHEV plus all the advantages to NOT buying an EV (like resale / trade-in as you mention). I'm really glad to hear from an owner so thanks for chiming in. Is there anything you don't love about the car?

@TomLawlor-iq6gm

Ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife Very glad to hear it was useful to you. My biggest beef with the Prime is the absence of a spare tire. I know tire technology has advanced and flats are less common but, they do happen. We had our first two Priuses for 16 years and had just one flat. It was sidewall damage, so, without a spare we'd have been stuck. Our tires are quite low profile and our spring roads are always covered in "road sores". The "Fix the Flat Kit isn't capable of addressing a sidewall tear. That means a tow-truck. Where we live, "breaking down" often means having to wait a very long time for rescue if your not near a community (which describes a great deal of our province). You can buy a spare tire kit from Toyota for the Reg. hybrid that fits under the hatch floor (why the bloody thing does not come with the car is a mystery). However, the kit will not suit the Prime, too little room due to the bigger battery. We plan to source a set of rims and tires for winter use. We'll seek out inexpensive 17" rims and the closest tire size to the 195-50's that came with the car. At the moment, no manufacturer makes a winter tire in the oddball OEM size. This route offers the added benefit of giving us a spare (in both seasons). So, should we take a road trip we'll just throw a wheel in back. We both really like the car. And, neither of us has encountered the issues many other Posters complain about.

I bought a used five year old Chevy volt five years ago. Every penny I've spent on maintenance and repair on this car (which has been a lot) was because of the ICE motor. My fuel costs have gone from about one hundred fifty U.S. in gas to about thirty U.S. in electricity. I am saving every dime I can to be able to afford a good fully electric car. If the pricing for electric cars was equivalent to I.C.E. I would be satisfied fully electric car owner right now.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Bummer to hear about the annoying maintenance you've had with the vehicle but those fuel savings are no joke. Very interesting. What do you think you would get next if you could?

nice content keep up 🌹🌹

Great video! As a former British Columbian from Kelowna now residing in Australia, those maps were nostalgic! My daugher drives a Tesla and loves it. She says that every time there's a computer update, it's like a new car. Hmmm. I'm looking at an HEV or PHEV. I'm wary of the reports that often surface about Tesla, affecting its reputation, and I don't care for Musk himself. But emotions aside, I read that PHEV's are more expensive to maintain and have had issues that need to be ironed out still. PHEV's offer newer technology than the tried and trusted standard Hybrids, so I'm looking to buy your basic hybrid that has better resell potential. Thank you for your logically presented insight!

@TheSAHDLife

26 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment! We just drove back to the Island from Peachland yesterday praying our Hyundai engine won't die again lol. Yeah you know, we are kind of feeling the same as you this point... We would like something reliable to get the family around... Maybe a Highlander Hybrid? We still aren't sure. Anything in particular you're considering? From a tech and performance perspective I'm so drawn to the Tesla but the battery success rates just don't seem that reassuring.

@Tellyawhat4

26 күн бұрын

@TheSAHDLife Have you heard of BYD EV's? They are here in Oz. The Atto 3 and the Dolphin. Very well built with heaps of tech, quality interiors, great range, blade LFP battery (450kms and 427kms WLTP) respectively, rave reviews, nice design and totally affordable. Take a look. Both under $50k. Tesla is changing to the BYD blade LFP battery, I read. Safer and charges to the full 100%. Worth consideration.

Our family has PHEV - we went through very similar analysis 😊. Another consideration is how much space, i.e hatchback vs SUV vs sedan.

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

You're right! What did you end up getting? And any regrets?

totally agree! my chev volt is perfect.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

I've heard nothing but good things from the Chevy Volts! I wish we got on that train years ago. I've always been a little worried about Chevy's though you know? I haven't had the best experiences with Domestic vehicles throughout owning cars over the last 25 years.

I just bought the 2024 Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid and I absolutely love it. Get around 550 miles until you have to fill up. Depending on how you drive it.

@TheSAHDLife

23 күн бұрын

Nice! You know, we bought the fully loaded 2014 Sante Fe and I have to say, the features are still fantastic and the car feels great even today. It would be nice if it were a hybrid etc but you sure get such good value from Hyundai's right? That range seems awesome.

Which is exactly why I bought an id3 2021 in 2023 for merely half the price around 20k euros and i do around 50k kms per year! Will probably use for another couple of years and sell it with probably 10-15k loss doing 170k kms is perfectly fine!! Not to forget it’s a 204 bhp car with 350nm torque!

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

Nice deal! I bet it's great. Where did you buy it?

I do believe you missed a critical point. All 3 hybrid, plug in, and EV are affected by cold significantly. Not just EV's. My 2016 Prius went from 60 to 70 miles per gallon down to 30 to 40 miles per gallon in the winter. That was an a mild Washington winter. Now I live in significantly colder winter weather. Plugins are affected even more than EVs. My Outlander PHEV goes from between 40 and 75 mpg down to 25 to 35 in the winter. My model 3 RWD (not long range) still had 205mi range at 70mph in the winter. So if you compare all three, the EV is actually affected the least in the winter. There is also very little evidence to support EV resale value being lower than Hybrid or PHEV.

@TheSAHDLife

10 күн бұрын

Wow I had no idea the mileage on a Hybrid changes so drastically. I'm surprised I hadn't heard that before! Thanks for sharing.

Biggest complaint on ALL three types is the high cost of purchase! I spent $42k on an SE RAV4 Prime in 2021. At the time the MOST expensive car I’d ever owned. Traded it in April 2023 for $42k (yes that’s right) and purchased a $47k Pacifica PHEV. I was happy with the resale value of the Toyota. I’m NOT happy with the value of the pacifica. My KBB is now around $28k with 22k miles. I know, many will say well no shit, it’s a Chrysler, what did you expect?! But, that much of a loss in 15 months is pathetic to me. I may be dating myself, but to me $45k is still A LOT of money for a depreciating asset. These days however, $45k seems to be entry level. Same with houses. Everything is inflated and overpriced. For millions of people the cost of any of these; HEV, PHEV, or full BEV is simply too high. What we need are fuel efficient AND affordable cars (all three types) that start at $20k!! I guess I should keep dreaming though because that isn’t going to happen I guess. The Chinese seem to have figured it out with their BYD cars though..

@TheSAHDLife

9 күн бұрын

Yeah that's really interesting. Hopefully your Pacifica (which is a really nice vehicle btw... we've considered it) lasts for years and even though on paper doesn't hold high value, is a workhorse for your family. I feel the same as you about the price point... we bought our Sante Fe in 2014 and even though the engine died on us... they replaced it for free outside of warranty and it's running really well. If it was a Toyota we could probably still sell it for 20k right now, but we'll probably still be able to drive it for 5+ years at which point I feel like we will have gotten our monies worth. But yeah, I hear a lot of good things about BYD.

Such as great presentation, I've had my 2018 (6 year old) Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh for the past 4 years and the battery is 97% health after 73,000kms, It is so much fun to drive and miss all the petrol stations, oil changes etc. Would not go to a petrol car, the extra cost of poor resale value and deprecation value - I do not care, it is fun to drive than driving something that drinks dinosaur juice. Looking forward to my next purchase the long range 77 MG4 EV.

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

That's awesome! I do like hearing good success stories like this. We want a Hyundai for 10 years but the engine died on us despite parking in the garage and regular maintenance at about 50,000 miles. I'm not going to lie I left a bit of a sour taste in our mouth but it's running great now it has a new engine. You would buy another Hyundai?

@clayton4115

10 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I wish Hyundai continued with their classic Ioniq by now they could have put in a larger battery like a 70 or 80 kwh, the economy in this thing is amazing, in the 77k kms the only issue I had was the charge actuator was faulty and would not charge the car, but this was replaced under warranty no problems since. YES would def buy another but ALAS they do not make EV's like the classic Ioniq anymore so heading over to the MG4 77 as my next purchase.

@TheSAHDLife

10 күн бұрын

@@clayton4115 Wow that's really cool. They don't sell those here in North America unfortunately, at least not that I can tell. How long do you thin you will keep your current Ioniq?

@clayton4115

10 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I love driving my current Ioniq however due to the poor state of ev infrastructure here in Australia is it not good for country road trips. Will be upgrading in the next 6 months or so to the MG4 77. The Ioniq is going to my wife as she likes driving it more than her Kia Picanto 😄 and she only does around 5000 kms per year and in a few years time my daughter will get her L's so it may be in the family for quite a while.

I like evs and has test driven several of them, but they are still too expensive, so I recently got 2018 Chevy Volt, I use the battery most of the time. Such a great car.

@TheSAHDLife

20 күн бұрын

That sounds like a fun car. I've driven a few EV's too and really enjoy them but I'm in the same boat. Still not sure what we're going to do. Our neighbour is selling a mint condition 2018 Nissan Sentra, and while it's not our first choice, the fact they've taken such good care of it and we might be able to get it for a great price IS tempting. But on the other hand, I'd rather just get a Nissan Leaf. Though knowing the condition of a vehicle and how it was treated is worth something right?!

@jiayaw

7 күн бұрын

For me, I rented an ev when traveling and loved it but with nowhere to charge, I'm better off with a hybrid at the moment

Road conditions, elevation and terrain affects range for EVs which contributes to range anxiety. Thus Plug in Hybrid or Hybrid is still more robust and reliable as compared to full EVs.

@TheSAHDLife

2 күн бұрын

That's definitely something I wonder about. We still haven't committed to one yet... though I lean towards EV for us since we do 99% of our driving around town and could plug in every night. In a perfect world we'd have a bigger hybrid for family trips and a small EV for scurrying around town.

Nice video, have the same dilemma. Things to consider: base model Tesla uses LFP batteries which degrade only about 2% a year. So will have about. 80% capacity in 10 years Any kind of ICE vehicle will have other type of service, belts, turbos, battery, filters, pumps to be replaced. Your PHEV battery is most likely not LFP and will degrade much faster over 10 years. Hard not to go for base model Tesla but that future resale value 😢

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! The more I'm chatting with Tesla owners that purchased them in 2016+ the more confident I am that they will still be usable vehicles in the future... I'm with you... leaning towards the Tesla. 👊😆 Though where we live the closest Tesla dealership is 2 hours away :(

@DigiDriftZone

Ай бұрын

Be careful with LFP, they are a bit of an unproven technology, not to say they don’t show promise in certain applications. We just do not have the data to say how they will perform for the average lifespan of a vehicle which is currently 17 years here in the UK. For example: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYCpxNmliaa1oZM.html This survey has 135 respondents, 7.4% of them experienced a battery failure, most failed under 80k miles and mostly model 3. This will usually be covered under warranty, but once out of warranty, you are looking at a $23k bill which if the above is to be believed, will only get you a 50 to 80k miles in 7.4% of cases, that’s a pretty staggering failure rate. They also have specific disadvantages, even in moderately cold climate (5c), the batteries may flat out refuse to charge until they are conditioned (increasing charge times to 2 hours and increasing your charge cost), the range drop is significantly higher winter than non LFP, they are less efficient, they have 30-50% less energy density (larger/heavier), they cannot provide as much voltage (power), they can’t accurately show range - this is why Tesla recommends discharging them down to 0% frequently (this may be contributing to the high failure rate?). So really serious downsides and why none of the long range of luxury models use them. Mercedes for example still uses massive amount of cobalt, they currently use a ratio of 8:1:1 nickel, cobalt, manganese. Thats how they all can do this flat charging curves. If you lower the cobalt to 1% or less like Tesla you can't pump that hard on the battery or you causing lithium spikes to damage and worst case short the battery. Thats why LFP charge a lot slower then NCA or NCM cells. Cobalt is a stabiliser. Most companies don’t want bad marketing on their charging curves so they keep using 5-10% cobalt..

@Harrythehun

Ай бұрын

@@DigiDriftZoneLike we always consider all new ICE engines, new turbos, new transmissions, new injectors, new cylinder heads and pistons, new materials eg castings, aluminium, steel and plastic parts, new electronics.

@DigiDriftZone

Ай бұрын

@@Harrythehun yes and all of these are around 10% of the materials that go into a disposable EV battery, except for the sake of the planet, all these things can be kept going and are economically recyclable. For example my 20 year old Audi A4 is still someone’s daily driver right now with minimal maintenance, it passed the last 5 MOT inspections with not even an advisory.

What are the chances new battery tech/advancements will be able to be integrated into older EV's ? IE your Tesla battery needs replacement in 2030 go to auto parts store for after market SS Battery like you do with the 12 volt battery now?

@TheSAHDLife

14 күн бұрын

That's a good and interesting question... and I don't know the answer. I'm not sure what current battery replacements are like for, say old Priuses... I wonder if they have improved.

@uumelmaaye

14 күн бұрын

I know the replacement batteries for the Priuses are better than the originals and relatively easy to install. And I know China is making cars rather than charging you. You just replace the battery. You go into a station and the discharge battery is removed from the car and the new battery fully charged is installed. Kind of like electric motorcycles where you just take out the batteries that are currently in the motorcycle that are discharged and replaced it with new batteries? I'm thinking by 10 years we should have that technology for cars too

Thanks for the great breakdown and it's something I've been spreadsheeting these scenarios and I also came to the same conclusion. If I were to buy one and only vehicle, a plug-in hybrid would come out ahead. I hadn't considered the resale value in my analysis but I did include maintenance for the ICE. That said, I expect ~$6k for electrical service upgrade plus the level 2 charger and installation as I'm only on 100A service. There is an alternative of using a smart panel to prioritize which circuit gets juice for slightly less but still pretty pricey. A plug-in hybrid might actually still work on a regular 120V/15A outlet given that I'm home all night long. Considering all those factors and how much I drive, the pay back period for a plug-in hybrid vs a pure cheaper ICE was about 5 years. An EV with all the electrical upgrades is 9 years. That said, for a two car family, one EV and one plug-in hybrid/regular hybrid might make for a great combo. The EV as the town car and then the hybrid for everything else, especially a larger vehicle for the family road trips.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

That's really interesting to hear. Have/would you consider getting something used? I think slow charging might be enough for our usage but it would still be tempting to get that level 2 charger for another potential future vehicle. Like you said, the EV and the PHEV would be the ideal situation. Although it's probably best financially if we run this Sante Fe to the ground.... it really doesn't owe us anything and since we bought the highest model at the time, it still feels fantastic now. Going to a car with less features would be tough to do.

@LawrenceLCA

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife yes I'll probably consider used. Although if we want new, we probably should get on a waitlist. One of our cars is 16 years old but it's still running fine. Tough choice - should we speed up the carbon/gas savings or wait.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@@LawrenceLCA I did a video on the channel a year ago or so about how the engine DIED on our Hyundai at 90,000kms...ugh. It was a nightmare. Hours from home on a road trip in the middle of a heat wave stranded on the side of the road with young children... They DID end up paying for the tow and replaced the engine out of warranty which was awesome, so it still runs fantastic now only at 115,000kms but it sure left a bad taste in our mouth... it's hard to trust that it won't happen again. It's our one and only vehicle too and when you have young kids it sure would be nice to have something new and reliable again. Tough decisions eh. I'm right there with you. But we also haven't had vehicle payments in awhile either... it'll suck to have those again.

@LawrenceLCA

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife Yeah reliability and longevity of the brands are important considerations for sure. I had the opportunity to drive a rental Grand Cherokee 4se PHEV for a week. That thing could launch and was rock steady even on 75-80mph on the US highways. Pretty pricey though, but sat 5 adults comfortably and luggage.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@@LawrenceLCA Yeah that's interesting! Although it looks like it only has a range of around 40km/25mile in EV mode. That might be enough for some for their dailies. But 760kms overall on a tank is pretty decent!

You are missing the lost opportunity cost on the extra money you will spend for the full EV. Most of the cost analysis I see on vehicle purchases overlook this factor. That 20k extra you spent on the EV when invested in an appreciating asset over 10 years could totally transform which vehicle makes the most financial sense.

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Oh for sure, I thought I tried to address that in the video. I will say that while it is a lost/sunken cost for a lot of people, for others they do get the satisfaction of enjoying the benefits of a more premium products and being early adopters to new technology. That's not worth it for ME but some people really get value from it. But some people are just terrible with money too. Waiting it out and seeing what happens seems to be the smartest options. We don't NEED a vehicle quite yet, it's tough having 1 still but we save so much we will do this I think until we are forced to get a 2nd. What would you buy right now?

@johnminichielli8957

Ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I drive an F150, not the hybrid version, but I would consider a plug-in hybrid truck down the road, especially if the tax incentives put them on par with the straight hybrid.

@johnlodge8546

14 күн бұрын

Extra 20k for an EV??? I'm not sure where you got this idea. The difference in upfront cost is more like 5k.

@johnminichielli8957

11 күн бұрын

@johnlodge8546 I googled the average price of an ICE car vs the average price of an EV.

@collinbradford8866

7 күн бұрын

​@@johnminichielli8957 that data is skewed by a lot of premium EVs and fewer budget EVs, but budget EVs exist. Especially in the used market now

RE: Torque - My employer had C-Max fleet cars starting in 2013. They're kinda ugly but they ran great, and I drove them all over WA state. When I had to pass someone the C-Max had amazing torque because the electric motor kicked in when I floored it, and those don't have a torque curve, it's straight up. However, we're Toyota fans in this house to the Prius would be our choice to buy.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

That's funny, I'm not familiar with the C-Max... did those hybrids get pretty good range? I imagine they must have. You think they were just discontinued due to their lack of sales? I guess hybrids besides the Prius didn't really take off back then did they? Yeah we are new Toyota fans too. Looking forward to (hopefully) getting one soon. Being a 1 vehicle family is tough now the little ones aren't so little anymore and are joining all kinds of activities! Thanks for watching 👊

@Nattodayy

2 ай бұрын

I have a C-Max 2015 (non plugin). It is at 146k miles and gets between 38-40 Average MPG. Never had any major issues with it.

@bryans8656

2 ай бұрын

@@Nattodayy That's what we were getting on the 2013 C-Max. I always enjoyed driving them, and I don't know why they weren't popular with the rest of the team. At my age form follows function.

Another equation is the law. In the EU, they have decided fossil fuled cars will be prohibited to produce in 2035, thats just little over 10 years from now

@TheSAHDLife

19 сағат бұрын

That's true, I see a lot of car companies talking about that. But I can't see the oil industry drying up anytime soon. So many boomers are finally starting to buy Hybrids, you can't even get them around here (Canada). It really feels like we are at like early Blu-Ray vs HD DVD days where we are all just betting which techs will win but I honestly have no clue which one will. I mean obviously like you said, ICE engines will cease but will EV be the only thing left or will something else rise up?

The maths are a bit off.. well the values,.. u took long range m3 vs prius prime se… top trim se 50k..and tesla a bigger car’ with more space

@TheSAHDLife

12 күн бұрын

Yeah I hear you... I was just sharing which one we would consider. We would probably only buy the Tesla long range... then for the Prius Prime, the SE is tempting because it gets the extra range. So it was more like which models were interesting to us, not base model vs base model kind of thing.

@anonymousfu

8 күн бұрын

​@@TheSAHDLife Don't bother with the long range; you don't need it. RWD is cheaper, you can charge the battery to 100% daily, and the battery is more durable.

@TheSAHDLife

8 күн бұрын

@@anonymousfu Well, we live in a very hilly area and it rains a lot. AWD is nice to have but yeah, it costs a LOT more. Have to think more about that.

Can anyone share with me sources to check the specs of any electric vehicle,thank you in advance

@TheSAHDLife

2 күн бұрын

I don't but just curious, are you hoping to find a website that breaks down specs of vehicles kind of thing?

Model 3 RWD 2024 is currently less than 50k CAD with the gov't incentives. Very attractive honestly, esp. that no car thieves are looking for them. Also, social factors such as my wife not really liking the idea of working really hard just to drive a taxi car model. It's understandable to a certain extend. Plus, Toyota dealerships and their games are really off-putting in choose a Toyota. Good video btw, as it is the current headache I'm having. (Currently leading towards a Model 3 OR wait for the newly refreshed Model Y)

@TheSAHDLife

23 күн бұрын

Haha I love that about working hard just to afford a taxi. Hilarious. And yeah I kind of see the point too. She's not wrong. My problem is that while the Model 3 RWD is pretty awesome, when you drive the AWD it's just SO much better. But then it bumps you out of the extra incentives etc... I wish my brain could be content with the RWD one but where we live it rains a lot, snows sometimes, and has tons of hills. I think if I didn't have those things to worry about I could consider it. I'm also excited to see the redesigned Y. It SHOULD be out later this year or the beginning of next year right? Yeah the Toyota games eh... you can't even test drive the Prime's since they never have any in as they all seem to sell so fast, or is that just a tactic? lol. We're still on 1 car waiting to figure out what to do. Car loans still aren't cheap either at the moment. If you had to buy something today what do you think it would be? If we did, it might be a 8 seater Highlander hybrid? We really want that extra space. Ugh I don't know what we'd get hehe.

A flaw in your logic about PEV is they use the same battery tech as a EV. The PEV batteries will have the same life as the batteries in the EV. Certainly cheaper to replace but they won’t last longer

@TheSAHDLife

6 күн бұрын

It's definitely not perfect logic that's for sure! What would you buy right now for/around 40-50k?

Which you prefer if for taxi driver, is it EV can save more than petrol, Is Hyundai Kona good for taxi earning

@TheSAHDLife

14 күн бұрын

Yeah good question! I wonder if Hyundai has the reliability that would be enough for a Taxi.... we have a Hyundai and the engine died!! lol

@aaronlim13

14 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife,,,,😂 .. good and Sharp reply

For me, i dont (because of my health) make a lot of money. So resale is a massive factor for me to be able to get a newer car rather than sink money into one that will continue to have problems as it ages. Additionally, tesla specifically, I worry about what happens when the warranty runs out whether it'll be serviced, how much that would cost and whether it would be worth anything when i want to trade up. Otherwise an EV is perfectly fine for anything i need to do, but a hybrid or phev just makes more sense in the current market. Finally, there was a story i heard about phev owners getting charged both the gas vehicle and ev vehicle taxes for roadway use, but i dont remember where the story came from UK or Australia.

I bought a used plug-in hybrid. It has been great so far. I can charge for free at work (which is most common for me), or at home for the cost of electricity. Plus there are some free charging stations a few places that I go. I do recommend getting one that has the range to accommodate your typical drives. Mine gets about 40 miles of EV range, which is plenty for me most of the time. But a lot of PHEVs get less range and a lot of workers have longer commutes and can’t charge at work for free. Just stuff to consider. Also, even though PHEVs do have to have oil changes, it’s not very often if you regularly plug the car in and don’t regularly drive over the EV range. I do think it’s odd to compare a tesla model 3 vs a Hyundai Santa Fe. Not only is it ICE vs EV. It’s an SUV ICE vs an EV sedan. At very least compare the model 3 to something like an ICE Toyota Corolla if you’re going to compare it to an ICE vehicle. Or else compare the Santa Fe to an Ionic 5 or a tesla model y or some other EV SUV.

@TheSAHDLife

13 күн бұрын

Good point on the oil changes on heavy EV usage for the PHEV owners. Yeah the SUV ICE to EV comparison was just for math's sake... it's the data I had exact numbers on. I figured people could adjust it based on their vehicles if they wanted to. Which PHEV did you get? It sure would be nice if they could get to that 60 mile range. Seems like we're almost there.

@firefalcoln

13 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I have a 2016 Chevy Volt. Originally the listed EV range was 53 miles (which seems way optimistic). In reality it today gets between about 32 and 44 depending on conditions. Keep in mind that every listed PHEV has an optimistic EV range. And over time it becomes even more optimistic as the battery wears down. I still find around 40 miles very useful and would find 30 useful as well. But I don’t regularly drive far and have lots of charging options.

Warranty, in particular, is important.

@TheSAHDLife

Күн бұрын

Are there any of the car technologies you think has a better warranty than the others?

You forgot to mention maintenance cost of hybrid and cost of repair

@TheSAHDLife

Күн бұрын

Honestly since I haven't owned one I truly don't know. It sounds like they all need regular maintenance for brakes/wheels etc...

My first electric was a 2017 Chevy Volt. I managed to do all my local driving on all electric and only needed gas if I went on a trip that was over an hour away. I had it for 3 ½ years and sold it once the warranty expired. Now I’ve had a Tesla Model Y for the last 31/2 years with absolutely no problems so far. I plan to sell or trade it in sometime in the next year and for the first time I plan on buying the exact same car again. Range anxiety isn’t a problem at all and I charge at home 99% My trick (although maybe expensive) is to own the vehicle just as long as I have the warranty coverage

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Pretty crazy it's been so good you would buy the same one... That's awesome! I think the next years model will be a refresh too so that's a good time to do it. I hear lots of great stories like this... hopefully we can do something similar in the near future.

@timothykeith1367

24 күн бұрын

That "trick" is standard practice with EVs - dump them early - its why these cars lose so much value in depreciation.

@lenimbery7038

24 күн бұрын

@@timothykeith1367 it’s my policy for ICE vehicles too as I’m old and don’t want to mess with repairs not covered by warranty. I haven’t had any major problems in any vehicle I’ve owned while under warranty

@lenimbery7038

24 күн бұрын

@@timothykeith1367 they lose so much in depreciation due to all the misinformation out there as well as the FUD

Series hybrid for the win. I get as much efficiency as the very best electric car or better. I babied it to work and got 6.7mpkw. Model 3 gets 4-5mpkw. Series hybrids ARE electric cars but the gas engine is not connected to a drive train at all. The gas engine is a generator only. It’s lighter than a full EV and in gas mode gets 40+mpg. And on top of that it’s not slow and has instant torque because again its propulsion is electric. Tires aren’t an issue and the reliability of the car has proven to be fantastic. If you know what car I’m talking about or have one then you know exactly what I’m talking about.

@TheSAHDLife

2 күн бұрын

That's awesome. How long have you had it for, I'm curious what the regular maintenance has been like?

@jimmykelly2809

2 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I’ve had it for a year now. I’ve filled up the gas tank 2 times this summer and I’ve done 1 oil change. The gas tank only holds about 7 1/2 gallons. I get about 300miles on a tank of gas and the manufacturer suggests an oil change every 2 years! Best car I ever bought

@jimmykelly2809

2 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife also the gas tank is stainless steel so no worries about it rusting with little gas being used.

My partner and I share a Ford C-Max hybrid now and I’m just looking to get an EV to get around town. So my idea was to lease a Model 3. Leasing still gets me US EV tax incentives, and lets me reduce the investment on an EV until better tech like sodium batteries comes along.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

That's exciting. Have you test drove anything yet?

@Nattodayy

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I’ve tried both the Model 3 and the Y. Although I really like the Y, I think we are going to get the 3 to keep costs down.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@@Nattodayy Yeah I'm feeling the exact same way. The 3's seem roomy though so I'm not too worried. My wife just loves the taller drive height of SUVs so she's a tougher nut to crack.

ICE cars bought today will worth close to nothing in 10 years, buy what you like today and enjoy it!

@TheSAHDLife

24 күн бұрын

Yeah that is a topic worth considering for sure. I think gas will be around for awhile but I know what you mean. We still aren't sure what we'd buy if we bought one right now. We've kind of gone full circle!

I think the comparison is not fair. There are EVs with similar prices to the Prius.

@TheSAHDLife

Күн бұрын

Well they are just some of the best in class for each technology so felt like it was a fine comparison. Plus with the rebates at the time (and the math over the years) they all cost similar amounts in the long run... and that's kind of the point of the video. Even though they don't seem like they cost the same up front, over the years tells a different story. There are still other factors to consider but still, there's a lot to think about and it's hard to make the right choice! We still haven't decided what to do. I think if you buy two cars, it's easy to have a hybrid for long trips and an EV for around town... but for 1 vehicle families like ours it's a much harder decision.

Thanks for dramatically lightening the load for my car research. 😁

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

👊 it's so fun talking about this stuff. But it's not an easy decision, especially now. Hopefully it helped. Any idea what you'd get next?!

@novakane007

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife Probably a RAV4 PHEV for all the same reasons as you. buying myself a couple of years as I don't want to buy it new though.

Hi i am Aubrey’s brother the Aubrey from kindergarten good luck hope one day you get 1 million subscribers

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Hey man, I remember you! Really appreciate your support 👊 Hope you guys are doing awesome!

I think this is old thinking being improperly applied to new tech, specifically with the depreciation for EVs. Fundamentally, the plummeted resale value of electric cars recently has been because of technological innovation rather than the asset in question losing its functionality/deteriorating. Remember, 5-year depreciation figures by definition lag 5 years behind the current models. I think the technology has matured significantly in recent years, leaving much less maturation in the near-mid term future. Take the Apple's MacBooks. The resale price of an x64 MacBook air is ~30% original price but an M1 is ~70%, because there is relatively less maturation between M1 -> M3/4 than from x86 -> M1. I believe 2024+ Model 3 and 2021+ S/X will see significantly less "depreciation" than older models, so I think it's worth it. Or just buy a 2021-2023 Model 3 for like $28k US and call it a day!

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

I think you make a great point and I do agree with you. Unlike Apple however there is a lot more competition and marketing in the auto industry which makes what you mentioned easy to forget. Heck just watch any sporting game and see the amount of car ads that play. It's crazy! I think when it comes to Tesla specifically, because they were so far away from the competition experience wise... While guys like me have wanted to jump on board for years, I worried about rickety build quality as all my friends with 2018/2019 Tesla's said they rattle years later though they still run well. My cousin has a 2021 Model Y that she wants to sell and my wife and I wonder if we should consider hers or if it's worth the extra 15k for buying new. Tough call. I'll chew more on what you said 👊

@alejandrowilcox8198

2 ай бұрын

I think picking up your cousin's Model Y would be a great idea! 1) You know that specific unit's build quality 2) You get a big discount on the price compared to a new one 3) You trust the previous owner and know they aren't hiding any big problems/repairs from you I don't own a car currently but the sheer thought of having to do (& pay for) the maintenance on one drives me insane, so personally I would LOVE the lack of it on an EV

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@alejandrowilcox8198 those are all great points. It sure makes a big difference buying a used anything from a trusted source. Those 2021s still look pretty slick too! But yeah having a vehicle is a lot. We've managed to only have one vehicle for so long which is just been great but every now and then there's a time where we need two vehicles. It's just so much cost for not very often you know? Hard to justify.

If you value fun to drive, there’s not really any car that’s got everything you want and need. I would just get two cars

@TheSAHDLife

6 күн бұрын

Yeah for sure... it's tough since we can't really afford multiple vehicles so are trying to find the best one to fit our needs. Such a tough call when you really want to make every dollar count. It's hard to choose between fun/space/price etc!

I would love to have a Tesla If I could afford one as for the battery I am sure the future Solid state batteries will be able to replace current batteries.

@TheSAHDLife

14 күн бұрын

I know, me too. I think they'll be dropping a new Model Y soon will be interesting to check out!

I recently dumped my leased 2021 Tesla Model Y “long range” for the Lexus RZ 450e, after driving 10 other EVs. Don’t listen to the skeptics or critics who tested pre-production or prototype versions. My RZ 450e has the latest Lexus software update and I am getting 275-400 miles of range at 4.2-5.5 miles/kWh efficiency - far better efficiency than my Model Y. But first let me explain why I dumped the Tesla. Over 30,000 miles, the AC on the Tesla failed, then the 12V battery failed without warning, stranding me for 2 weeks (and $1700 in car rental bills) while Tesla dithered around with replacing the battery. The powered frunk where the battery is located failed to open because the Tesla factory had failed to wire it properly, so they had to rig it to open it. Then the trunk strut failed which was traced to a faulty wiring harness. If I had bought it, instead of leasing it, and had these failures happened after 50,000 miles, I would have been out thousands of dollars, erasing any fuel savings. BTW, the Tesla odometer was also way off, which seemed like a gimmick/scam to inflate range. Speaking of range, the Model Y’s efficiency was awful in city driving; with 20 inch wheels, I rarely cracked 160 miles on a full charge in stop and go traffic due to aggressive regen which meant keeping the throttle pressed to keep the heavy beast moving. In DC winters, 110 miles was the best it could do, despite having a heat pump 😝 So ​I switched to the Lexus RZ 450e after test-driving the Cadillac Lyriq, Hyundai Ionia 5, Kia EV6, Ford Mach-e, Nissan Ariya, VW ID4, Chevrolet Blazer, Genesis GV60, and Toyota BZ4X and Subaru Solterra. Lexus discounted this heavily so it ended up being a $43,000 car. I sincerely believe it’s the best EV you can buy today. I chose the RZ 450e with 18 inch wheels, which with latest software update unlocks more range and efficiency, and it was the best decision ever. As I noted above, disregard the skeptics / critics who tested pre-production or early production vehicles with old software. With latest software updates, the range and efficiency of the RZ 450e is amazing. 95% of my driving is in the city (Washington DC) at speeds below 35 MPH and I average well over 4.5 miles/kWh - vs 3.0 miles/kWh for my Model Y “long range” in similar conditions. On a recent drive, I got 7.2 miles/kWh. 18 inch wheels (NOT the optional 21 inch wheels) and using regen at lowest setting is key to getting maximum efficiency because Lexus designed an adaptive automatic regen braking system that recognizes when the car needs to slow down (for curves or stopped traffic) and blends in appropriate regen and friction braking as needed to simulate a true one pedal driving experience. The RZ hits 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. Its ride quality, powertrain refinement, quietness and sound system all blow the Tesla Model Y away. It glides over bumps and potholes like a Mercedes S Class /EQE/EQS or a Rolls Royce, while my Model Y crashed over them like it had no shock absorbers. The RZ has a light steering which makes navigating around potholes a breeze (steering tightens up when switched into Sport mode). The latest Lexus infotainment is snappy - having a large screen in front of you to display vital info as well as a heads up display are HUGE pluses over the Model Y. There’s another large screen that supports wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, so that’s another huge plus alongside beautiful physical controls for temperature setting. Lexus nailed the perfect balance of physical and onscreen controls - not having to go though the screen for controlling mirrors, lights and wipers definitely enhances safety. The two tone soft touch surfaces elevate the driving experience - you truly feel like you are in a luxury EV, unlike the somber interior of the Tesla. The Lexus lets you fine tune your efficiency to your driving style via Normal/Eco/Range settings, which once you sign in, it remembers your preferred settings. The radiant heat feature is genius - feels like a warm blanket on your legs. Safety features like Safe Exit Assist prevent doors from opening if a car or cyclist is approaching (can be overridden). There are so many thoughtful touches and safety features that make Tesla looks pretty crude and ancient - almost Iike an unfinished product. What about road trips? I took one from Washington, DC to NYC - something I’ve done in my Model Y previously - the RZ 450e averaged 4.2 miles/kWh at highway speeds with AC on in 90 degree temps. Fast charged at Tesla Superchargers to 100% (since Lexus says that’s fine to do) in under 40 minutes and arrived in NYC super refreshed due to cooled seats, excellent auto steer, superior ride comfort and overall refinement vs the Model Y. In NYC’s stop and go traffic, the RZ450e is averaging 5+ miles/kWh - Lexus has applied its experience optimizing for city driving efficiency to the RZ 450e. I even camped two nights in the RZ 450e, just like I did in the Model Y, and it makes an excellent camping vehicle. The folding memory foam mattress that I had ordered for the Model Y fits perfectly in the RZ 450e! If you have a family, they would appreciate the massive rear passenger area, with flat floor, easy ingress/egress, and heated rear seats with controls in the back (unlike Tesla Model Y). Lexus also offers 30 days of a Lexus ICE or hybrid loaner for longer road trips, but if you live on the coasts, or in a region with a high density of public fast chargers , you will likely never need to opt for the loaner. As for lack of a frunk, I don’t miss it. The RZ has plenty of space in the sub trunk for cables, plus features like digital rear view mirror, homelink garage door opener, blind spot alert lights and beeps, 360 panoramic camera views, auto park and ventilated / cooled seats more than make up for lack of frunk! Unlike Tesla, the controls for the hood and charge port are manual which is a better design should the 12V battery fail. The 12V battery is easily accessible in the RZ 450e and Lexus offers free scheduled maintenance at regular intervals to ensure you are not stranded with a failing 12V battery. Oh, and unlike Tesla, legendary Lexus service is just a phone call away - there’s always someone who answers the phone should you have a question. Lexus even delivered the vehicle to my home and the sales rep followed up multiple times in subsequent weeks to check in on my experience. With Tesla, it took them nearly 2 years and multiple email reminders to send me the correct paperwork to get my car registered in DC. Yep, I drove around with expired temp tags for almost two years. No wonder Tesla sales growth has slumped! Lexus has now released a RZ 300e with even more range, so definitely recommend checking that out. The RZ 300e Surprises With 125 MPGe EPA Rating that Beats Tesla Model Y. The Toyota BZ4X is another good option - a little shorter than the RZ, it sits higher than a Tesla Model 3, but rides much better, has more room in the back, and I think it also looks more interesting and sharper. Similar driving dynamics as the RZ, the BZ4X leases for under $200/month and is hands down a much better buy than the Model 3 or Y.

@TheSAHDLife

3 күн бұрын

Wow it sounds fantastic! A bit out of our price range but sounds like it's loaded with value. I know the Y has a new design coming out soon which I'll be curious about. I've never owned a Lexus but everyone I know who does has had great experiences with them. You definitely planted a seed! Thanks for the thorough message.

A basic hybrid is the present day winner 🥇 🏆

@TheSAHDLife

Күн бұрын

Yeah you know it really does seem like the least risky option, especially for a ONE vehicle family like ours.

Honestly, I wouldn't buy anything other than a Japanese car, and Toyota and Honda are right there for me. Even Nissan are getting better without Ghosn there. But PHEV, Toyota has the upper hand I think, although Mitsubishis look good, and Australia loves them.

@TheSAHDLife

25 күн бұрын

I'm kind of right there with you... I hear great things about Lexus but they seem a little out of range financially though I really haven't looked into it. My folks and best bud have Mitsi phevs and are happy with them... Who knows what the resell will be like on 5+ years though. Will anyone want them? I wouldn't want a 2019 Outlander PHEV really... The range would be so bad. My folks is a 2022 with a battery range of about 40kms... My friend just got a 2024 and says he gets 80-90 per charge but he's a bit of an exaggerater. They say online it only gets 61. That's still 50% more range in just two years though.

One other thing is the difference in insurance cost for an electric vs gas.

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

Yeah you know I heard that, so I called my insurance company to ask and the numbers weren't that different. Maybe it's come down over the years?

@iamgladiator

4 күн бұрын

Yea I called mine just a week ago and I have AAA and they wanted $5k a year for a Tesla Model Y and $2100 for a Toyota Grand Highlander. I’m guessing it depends on the insurance company and I’m almost 40 so it is not age.

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

@@iamgladiator Do you own the Grand Highlander? That's pretty high on our list of vehicles we'd love to own though it's a bit pricey. If you have it are you happy with it? Would recommend?

@iamgladiator

4 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife​​⁠I was in line to get one then they went on a stop sale for the airbag issue and earliest they will be back in production is late August 2024 and my family and I needed a car now so we went with the Toyota Sienna and really like it a lot. Gas mileage is great and is really comfortable and roomy even for myself who is 6’4”

I do most of my own maintenance and repairs. For me with a HEV (well, with most Toyota HEVs) I can expect to need a new battery for $2k-$3k in 10-15 years, which I find reasonable (unfortunately used values don't reflect that cost at the moment). On PHEV it would be $10k-$15k and because of the battery weight I probably cant do it myself, not really reasonable. For EVs they would probably last over 20 years (for me, because I wouldn't super charge it, I would keep it in the sweet spot between 20%-80% charged, and I probably wouldn't used it for commercial purposes and I wouldn't cycle the battery very often) but a replacement batter will be well over $20k, not reasonable at all - but an EV wouldn't fit my use case (unless I had another car at the same time).

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, you say the HEV/PHEV batteries will only last 10-15 years yet you think the EV would last 20+. Why would the EV ones last longer if you kept ALL of them in that sweet spot of 20-80%?

@MonkeyPunchZPoker

2 ай бұрын

@TheSAHDLife It's about the number of times they cycle. A Prius battery kept between 20-80% might have to cycle multiple times a day but a full EV with 300 miles of range maybe once or twice a week a week in the same conditions. I'm just guessing PHEVs will last about as long as HEV but they haven't bee n around long enough to tell, maybe they'll fall in between HEVs and EVs.

I had a similar issue some years ago. I love quick cars but could not justify the high price for a Tesla, so I went with a PHEV. It was very practical but I didn't enjoyed it. I sold it after 2 years without a small loss and got a Model 3 Performance, I love it but the value of this car already went down a lot. I never want to own a car which I don't enjoy to its fullest but affording one after my current car depreciated so much is a different story.

@TheSAHDLife

2 күн бұрын

That's really interesting. Other cars must be boring after that car... What would you do in hindsight... Lease? Or just get something else?

I am considering to get used tesla with 3-4 years warranty left on them. If something happens to battery down the road I am covered and still saving on gas during this time period. Let’s say battery goes down less than 70% I am still good with the range. Also you can get extended warranties with payin $3000 extra. Buying brand new tesla doesn’t make sense to me. The incentives are not high enough to consider the option. 4 years old tesla model 3 ranges from 25k to 35k. Half the price of brand new. I can easily be saving $3000 gas a year. If battery needs replacement after some time so be it and it will still be cheaper than buying brand new. Plus you don’t need full battery replacement. Tesla does full battery replacements because the vehicle is under warranty. I may bot even consider to get charger installed since I live in a condo and one of my neighbour spent $4k couple years ago to get that installed so probably it is a lot more now. Am I saving enough and worth it that much to charge from home? Yes it will be convenient. The only reason I am considering getting a charger installed is, I heard that building have an EV parking spot but there is no charger, who ever get the charger installed and pay for it, he/she will get the spot which is at least $40k worth parking spot. Could be a good investment.

@TheSAHDLife

12 күн бұрын

Interesting take about the charger. And yeah I hear where you're at... there's a lot to be said about the joy you will experience owning it also. I'd love to have one. And like you, a 70% range would still be awesome for me. Let me know what you decide if/when you do!

Best is to compare one's current paid off or soon to be paid off vehicles' total cost of ownership versus buying any new to newish vehicle. Good comparison with the 2024 Prius and Prime but in my case, a '12 CT200h bought cheap off a friend in 2020 is going to provide the lowest running cost. Then if that breaks down, a faithful '11 Accord coupe. Definitely wait for newer battery chemistries that will likely come with better longevity. 2027/28 is not too far away. Even VW has already licensed Quantumscape technology for solid states and will start serial production before 2026.

@TheSAHDLife

18 күн бұрын

How has that Lexus treated you? I've always heard great things about them. And I know... you're right. I just hear people gushing about their EV's all the time and I've driven a few lately. I love the quiet yet powerful performance. It's great. I'm not familiar with that Quantumscape tech... I'll check it out!

@flashsushi1843

13 күн бұрын

​@@TheSAHDLife It's been quite reliable and fuel economy is great. But there are many common issues like head gasket failures that I haven't encountered so far. Hoping to get another four or five years of reliable service. :) The problem with many buyers is they do not consider used and reliable vehicles with good fuel economy vs. outlay on a new vehicle, no matter the propulsion system. EV makes most sense for ride sharing or courier/commercial deliveries where lots of miles are racked up and gasoline savings will trounce most of the depreciation.

Complicated indeed- Great video! How about considering used EV for practical use? The first owner is loosing lots of money- but for daily commutes used model 3 would do great. I live in Finland where there are basically no grants and incentives for that (and it is fine- why to pay for rich peoples toys from everyone's taxes which kind of kills the competition?). Right now used electric vehicles seem to be loosing value fast- but honestly typical 70kWh vehicle would offer quite a lot of city commuting even at a battery capacity bellow 80% with aged battery(as long as there is no fire risk increase etc.). For now used (almost 11year old) Opel Ampera (twin of Chevy Volt) does great for my family- driving mostly on electricity, so much cheaper and without most of emissions(clean grid) and without anxiety range(except there is the anxiety that ICE is starting after 60ish km😄)

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

That's a great point. Also in case anyone reads this, in BC Canada when you buy a used EV you don't have to pay PST when buying a used EV. So depending on what you buy that might save an extra few thousand. How has the maintenance been on the Opel?

@msxcytb

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife Ampera is great and reliable. At about 140kkm it still offers full 10.4kWh useful capacity (some 16kWh net battery, no indication of how much it degraded actually, previous owner clearly used more ICE). Other maintenance is pretty good- just oil changes as prompted. The main motivation was to have low emissions, not to visit gas stations often, and cheaper drives in total (satisfaction of EV). Works well enough even in winters that go frequently to -20C😄. Quite typical driving in and around the European city, and very occasionally road trips. Even this kind of sluggish EV is faster in 0-100km than most of the other cars around - especially that with common here stick shifts car it takes some "skills" to beat Ampera (oh the joy for EV enthusiast, but not cars enthusiast),😄😄

I see terrible resale value as a good thing. It means I can buy used at a good price. People who buy new are either wealthy (and can afford that depreciation) or they are financially challenged.

@TheSAHDLife

8 күн бұрын

Hehe... yeah I'm with you, buying used is a great way to save a lot of money. It's just tough sometimes finding one that was cared for well and is fairly priced. Covid kind of changed the used car market, at least around here anyway.

I have been driving EV's for 11 years now. Never had a problem with the tyres. I live in Australia, but looking in the US, there are amazing EV plans to be had for charging - florida has a company offering $38 a month flat fee (they install the charger and is a lock in 10 year contract). So don't think "current electricity" charges is your best bet, look for an EV plan local to you, you may be suppressed. For me, we have an EV plan with free electricity between 11:00am and 2:00pm, and after midnight to 6:00am it's only 8c. I have 13.2kw of solar with a feed-in-tariff of 8c (so charging at night simply cancels out the Feed-in-tariff). Price of petrol is currently hovering around $2 per liter in Australia (that is about $7.57 per gallon). Given I drive an average of about about 100km a day (60 miles), I save we'll over $5,000 every year when compared to something like a Mazda CX5. I should add, in 11 years, I have only charged 5 times at a charging station, and i only actually needed to do it 2 times as I wanted to try them (even then i could have charged at my destination with a slow charger if i wanted to and never used an external charging station, but I wanted to save time). Every other time it has been at home - for free. I am well aware solar power in the US is stupidly expensive to install, so an EV plan may be your best option. As for resale value in 10 years for the car, it will still have a value, and the actual joy of not having to waste time at a petrol station is priceless. If you are worried about returns on an EV in 10 years, what about an ICE in 10 years with the EV's of the future? There is a risk there too. If this is really a concern, in the US a lot of people lease their car to prevent this issue. For us, insurance is the same between an EV and an ICE. For the charger, I used the charger i got with the car for the first 9 years (it was slow, but I charged whilst i slept). I finally got an 11kw charger for free when I bought my GV60 Performance. Am I happy with my choice? I will never go back to an ICE. My partner now drives my old BMW i3, and she has said the same thing. In short, very happy. Good luck with your car choice.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and great comment! I do like how you brought up the fact that ICE cars might not be in such demand in 10 years+ since the technology WILL be changing fast and people will continue to move farther away from using gas. It's great to hear from people like you chime in who have lots of experience with EV. I'm getting excited about the thought! Now if we can make the numbers work. We've been a single car family for years and it sure keeps costs down not having that second vehicle. But it's really annoying every once in awhile when we need one. How much to spend is the tough question for us for only needing a 2nd vehicle sporadically. Now we're a little older too we feel a little more... deserving a decent/reliable/newer vehicle, you know?

@xiaowei1

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife Given the prices of EV's second hand are quite low, this may be a good way to step into the market (given it will be a second car). In this regard, Tesla's are in abundance. My old BMW i3 2015 model was purchased 2nd hand for $43,000 (AU), with only 12,000km on the clock back in 2017. I dove it for 6 years, saving the $4 to 5,000 per year. It's resale value is about $25,000, so calculating the savings, I'm actually still ahead and i got to drive a great little car in that time. The depreciation was very high to start with, but seems to have tapered off a bit. At the end of the day, it's still a car, it's still works very well, and it is going to be next to free to run. Good luck with you choice, I don't think you can actually go wrong.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@@xiaowei1 Thanks! So many factors to really consider right? Paying more upfront doesn't mean you're wasting/spending more in the long run though it often feels like it at the time because of the sticker price. I bet that was nice having that little i3 during that time. Those were cool!

@DigiDriftZone

Ай бұрын

Where abouts in Australia? - I'm moving to Australia towards the end of the year (either Sydney or Gold Coast), do you not find the long distances make an EV range less practical there? - has that been an issue with longer road trips at all?

@xiaowei1

Ай бұрын

@@DigiDriftZone I live in Brisbane, near the gold coast (k0km away) and regularly go down there. The ranges on EV's these days are almost non issue. If you want to drive from the Gold Coast to Sydney which is about 1000km away, then of course it will be an issue and you'd be recharging along the way. I am probably bias, but i think the Gold Coast is nicer and cheaper than Sydney to live, but if you like built up areas, (the bigger city feel) then Sydney may be the better option. Both will have a lot of urban environments. the gold coast has by far the better beaches and warmer weather. Welcome to OZ!

Looking for BYD DM-I,full charge and full tan can run 2100KM. CHEAP price!!!😅😅😅

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

😆 exactly! Is that too much to ask??😂

I think the Prius maintenance cost will much more than the Tesla in the next 10 years. Since Tesla have much more marketshare mean it easier to find the replacement part.

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Interesting take! I mean the Prius should be pretty low maintenance I think it's one of the reasons it's the main Taxi car. But still, perhaps compared to Electrics, maybe it IS a lot. I just don't know!

@timothykeith1367

24 күн бұрын

The Prius is easier to find third party maintenance than an EV - the design is very troublefree. A Prius can last 20 years and still be worth repairing. Be aware that many Prius owners interpret "low maintenance" to be "no maintenance" - have a used Prius checked out for engine sludge from having almost no oil changes. A depreciated cared for Prius can be very low cost to operate. Many DIY all their own Prius repairs as they don't randomly crap-out, a few issues are common after 250,000 miles and most are simple to repair. The suitcase sized Prius battery swap isn't costly anymore to DIY - be aware a dealer could charge $5,000 to replace the battery, but a 3rd party shop is much less, or do it yourself - it's under the back seat and easily accessed. It's about as involved as replacing a drive on a laptop, just heavier

@conchobar

11 күн бұрын

Im not a Prius fan, especially given their prices, but Teslas have awful parts availability. Its the primary reason Hertz sold most of its Tesla Fleet. Hertz repairs ans maintains their fleet, but Tesla struggled to provide adequate parts in a timely manner or even tech support.

@MrBlackhen

10 күн бұрын

Btw you guys are probably from the US right, because the EV battery is expensive there compared to China.

@TheSAHDLife

10 күн бұрын

@MrBlackhen I'm in Canada but a lot of my audience is US... Same same

This is a great review on cost comparison but misses the point of EVs. We need to do something locally, nationally and globally about air quality and climate change - EVs are the answer in addressing the issues caused by personal transportation. Industry, shipping and air travel still needs to be addressed. EVs are still in that early adoption era where those wealthy enough or with appropriate incentives can make the change . With early adoption comes improvements in economies from scale and production techniques opening this up to the masses. It’s no secret EVs are expensive - as technology improves and prices come down they’ll increasingly be a better fit for more and more people. Some might be able to make that fit now with a new EV due to their financial status and environmental commitment others might need to wait or consider leasing or the second hand market. But make no mistake fuel prices will go up and EV battery tech will improve and decrease in price. And electricity prices will probably decrease too. It’s not too long before an ICE vehicle and BEV will have parity in range and sale price. Then the EV choice will be a no brainer - much cheaper fuelling, lower servicing and with improved range , lightening fast charging and improved charging infrastructure -zero range anxiety for most if not all. Interesting times.

@TheSAHDLife

12 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching! And yeah, I agree... Though I am skeptical electricity will ever go DOWN in price. I just felt that ever video talks about that... this video is also for the boomers who might not be as concerned about that and just want to get down to brass tacks when it comes to costs you know? I am excited to get on the EV train though we go back and forth every week about what we should do. We're still a bit stuck on what to get. We do want to do our part.... be I guess doing our part for now is not getting anything and just driving LESS.

@Antiguan_Dart

11 күн бұрын

I’m in the UK. A change of company policy removing my company car created the need and being lucky enough to have access to a windfall - created the ability and I bought myself a GV60 RWD 2 years ago and I’m delighted - 2 years on - no road tax, no servicing cost so far (5 years servicing is included with the GV60 and the service interval is 2 years) and with my home charging tariff of just 6.9p per kWh and the life time average of my car of 3.5miles/kWh that’s just 2p/mile fuelling cost. In terms of resources the environmentally beneficial thing as you said is to walk or simply running ones existing car as long as is economically practical. I can see ICE and EV parity in the UK within 2 years given - amongst other things the Zero Emissions Vehicle Mandate which will penalise manufacturers at a cost of £15,000 for each non-EV they sell if they haven’t reached their 20% target( the target increases year on year) so we can expect discounts, low or zero interest rate offers from manufacturers to boost sales to reach targets. In the interim leasing or second hand can be a good way to avoid that depreciation and properly trial an EV to see which features/models might suit best. On the subject of trialling EVs I can’t recommend highly enough the Everything Electric world travelling shows - Farnborough, England, UK the next one in the UK is October 2024 uk.everythingelectric.show/south

My mom almost got an electric hybrid model that you can plug in, and I'm so glad she didn't. 👎🏻⚡🙏🏻🚘

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

My folks got one. They like it! It's only been 2 years... we'll see if it keeps going without issues.

@m.hreels9822

Ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife that's very interesting and I'm glad it worked out for them. I'm just a little bit apprehensive and I'm a tech person which is saying something 😆❤️⚡🚘 my mom was going to get one of those plug-in hybrids from Hyundai they don't drive much now so maybe it might work out for them in the future if they get one

@TomLawlor-iq6gm

Ай бұрын

@@m.hreels9822 We got our third Prius (first PHEV), in March. Zero issues with the first two and we got half of what we paid new for our 12 year old Model C at trade-in. After 3600+Km with the new Prime we have purchased exactly $46.00 worth of fuel. Our cost to recharge the battery is about $1.73 and that brings us over 80Km. And, the quality of the car is outstanding. Your Mom is missing-out.

Dont forget you are paying 0$ for tesla maintenance But every 3 4 months your are paying big amount for oil change and maintenance for others cars Thats what makes the big difference and not even mentioning lower tesla insurance and safety

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

Oil charges/servicing IS annoying! You said lower Tesla insurance but everyone says that the insurance is higher? I have heard great thing about the safety ratings though.

@bahramrafiee2126

4 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife my friend had 2023 model 3 sold it got a camry xse now paying 170 CAD more per month just cz he removed 25% tesla discount

At some point, the government will extract the equivalent of fuel tax from EV charging / mileage.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Right? I wonder how long it'll take...

@14lou

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife It may take a while to trap as many evangelists as possible before its inevitable introduction. Though, New Zealand has reportedly proposed such a km tax on EVs including PEVs!

@stephen0406

23 күн бұрын

Honestly and ironically, the gov't not meeting its goal in EV sales to replace ICE vehicles would mean a major delay in that fuel tax, which might be beneficial for current EV owners.

You talk about how an EV will be "worthless" when the tech evolves to amazing levels, but what would a hybrid be worth in a world where new EVs are amazing? When possibly there are no ICE factories. An ICE vehicle needs a constant supply of fresh parts, and in the future I do not believe there will be a constant production, so then you can choose to have an old EV that works and can be updated, or a hybrid that has no support and as soon as it needs something, like an oil filter or simply an oil change, it's scrap. I believe there is no choice at this moment, there is only EVs. Buying a hybrid is like buying a horse with a "car-looking" cart. Just my two cents to help make a decision 😅

@TheSAHDLife

13 күн бұрын

Well I see a lot of boomers especially finally buying Hybrids right now. Hybrids (up here in Canada) are selling like hot cakes right now so I have a feeling they will be around for a long time. I think maybe in the cities and with people who can afford it will switch to EV, but the rest of the country and in the more rural areas? It'll be ICE for 10-20+ years

Why would you replace the whole battery after 10 years? You can change a cell or two for 200€ and here we go another 10 years! Think again my friend!

@TheSAHDLife

2 күн бұрын

I know you can replace individual cells in some of the EV's (like the ID4) but hadn't heard you can in other batteries (like Tesla)?

@andlb9037

Күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife off course you can. Even better than id models…

If you can - get the smallest, simplest gasoline vehicle that meets your needs. No hybrid, no EV - get something like a used Yaris. The overall savings will vastly surpass any electric type car and simple cars are relatively low cost to repair. A Yaris can last 500,000 miles. Don't buy with your ego.

@TheSAHDLife

24 күн бұрын

Yeah I hear that. We aren't opposed to that idea especially since our second vehicle will only really be for dropping kids off and errands etc... for our main vehicle it's nice to have something a little safer when we're going on the freeway with kids etc you know? But yeah, good idea.

… I will wait for the solid state battery car 👍🏽 (right now using Prius)

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

Are you happy with the Prius? Do you have any regrets getting it?

@robertoguerra5375

11 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife very happy :) my previous was a 2010, and my current is another 2010 because I had to move

I struggled with this video in some places other comments seemed ok. I would have liked to know your life experiences to understand your experience with the cars you drive. Tyres I see has been talked about in the chat. Solid State has already been partially surpassed by some new batteries. The reason to wait for new batteries didnt seem to have any reason why. People choose ICE cars with less range already. The gap is closing to fill up vs charge speed like seems a weekly occurance. The total cost missed servicing. I think this was also pointed out. The EV battery comment was a bit short sighted. Secondhand batteries are on the market cheaper already. Just dont buy a Tesla. You might also get an extended range new battery. Your fuel calculations you could save that extra money to cover your new battery and still be up. Tesla and the way they build their cars adds to insurance costs. The EV we have is the same as an equivilent car. I have an MG4 EV, a Ford Ranger diesel and a Subaru impreza. The MG4 is used all the time because it costs us nothing or maybe $3 a month with home charging with over 400km range. The subaru is driven a lot of the time because it is easier to park. The Ford Ranger is only used to move our canoes, drag a tailer and if the other 2 cars are being used. We have 4 drivers. We want to replace one of the ICE cars with something and it will never be another fuel driven car. Just waiting for something we like and then decide who gets replaced. The EV with its ability to know how much it will cost to fill without the need to keep comparing prices. Im sorry. The video got more annoying for me at the 13 minute mark. I somewhat enjoyed the video and trying to do crystal ball in 10 years it will be good to have a video in 10 years time. I could write more ut I want to watch another video :D

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I hear you... It's tough to make a short succinct video without droning on about each part. I would have loved to have shared more about my experience but.... Anyway it sounds like you have a good grasp on what you need and have vehicles to compliment your lifestyle without going overboard. We need that second car so it's a bit of a harder decision than I thought. Still not 100% sure on what to do. Tempting to buy a $5,000 beater for running the kids to gymnastics and picking up groceries... But we're a little older now too so it'd be nice to have something a little more reliable.

@jasonrhl

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I prefer longer videos with context and research. I am getting tired of clicking on videos with people who never had an EV longer than a month and now are experts.Video where they have 1 bad charging experince or didnt like the steering wheel with the square button. Your video did explain your thoughts which was really well done. I just needed more. :) Look forward to the 10 year video to see how your future ideas went.

After watching so many people complain about EV's and charge times by owners on Instagram. And knowing what our power grid can handle? I think EV's are a bad idea unless its just to drive to and from work. For road trips they are a nightmare (especially in Canada). A hybrid makes the most sense. In fact to save Tesla, I would not be surprised if Tesla releases a hybrid car that will be as backordered as the Fujifilm X100IV.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

I'm not as concerned about the power grid as I was once I started learning about how much power extra EV's will actually use but it is something to be conscious of. It will be a slow, steady, inevitable transition and they should be easily able to handle. Let's hope they do their jobs well. And yeah, extra through IS required when buying a vehicle nowadays. A $1,000 to rent a vehicle for a road trip might seem like a lot, but if it saves you from spending an extra $30,000 on the price of a car you don't actually need, then it might be worth it even if you do a couple road trips a year. It's fun talking about cars :) What would you get if you bought something now?

@classic.cameras

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife honestly, I am about the bargain. Used to have an Infiniti G35x when times in Alberta were booming and I wasted money. Now? Probably a Toyota Rav4 of 4Runner. I have a Hyundai Tucson. Good on gas and bare bones for a "fully loaded" car. I am 6'4" built like a 1980's wrestler. So I need something with head room.

@classic.cameras

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife One other thing, I remember on that show TopGear them talking about EV cars a few years ago. They basically said "I sort of feel like its a tech that is in development stage and not yet worth investing it. Its sort of like the light bulb transition to those twisty kind before being perfected into LED" (something like that). And I kinda agree. The EV is a perfect sounding car on paper. But I think its the battery that needs to be perfected and they have some in the works but they are not here yet.

I will always choose EV over everything. Till you drive one, you won't believe it

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

That's my problem is I DID drive one and now I want one... I just can't afford it lol

@elishapiedu6215

11 күн бұрын

@TheSAHDLife just save towards it. And please go for a brand new if you want to enjoy it most

@TheSAHDLife

11 күн бұрын

Are you team Tesla or?

@goranjurkovic6796

5 күн бұрын

Toyota phev rav4 is the best from both worlds. Only tesla could pass in bev world.

@RF-it7uv

4 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife I get 285-350 miles in my Lexus RZ 450e. I recently dumped my leased 2021 Tesla Model Y “long range” for the Lexus RZ 450e, after driving 10 other EVs. Don’t listen to the skeptics or critics who tested pre-production or prototype versions. My RZ 450e has the latest Lexus software update and I am getting 275-400 miles of range at 4.2-5.5 miles/kWh efficiency - far better efficiency than my Model Y. But first let me explain why I dumped the Tesla. Over 30,000 miles, the AC on the Tesla failed, then the 12V battery failed without warning, stranding me for 2 weeks (and $1700 in car rental bills) while Tesla dithered around with replacing the battery. The powered frunk where the battery is located failed to open because the Tesla factory had failed to wire it properly, so they had to rig it to open it. Then the trunk strut failed which was traced to a faulty wiring harness. If I had bought it, instead of leasing it, and had these failures happened after 50,000 miles, I would have been out thousands of dollars, erasing any fuel savings. BTW, the Tesla odometer was also way off, which seemed like a gimmick/scam to inflate range. Speaking of range, the Model Y’s efficiency was awful in city driving; with 20 inch wheels, I rarely cracked 160 miles on a full charge in stop and go traffic due to aggressive regen which meant keeping the throttle pressed to keep the heavy beast moving. In DC winters, 110 miles was the best it could do, despite having a heat pump 😝 So ​I switched to the Lexus RZ 450e after test-driving the Cadillac Lyriq, Hyundai Ionia 5, Kia EV6, Ford Mach-e, Nissan Ariya, VW ID4, Chevrolet Blazer, Genesis GV60, and Toyota BZ4X and Subaru Solterra. Lexus discounted this heavily so it ended up being a $43,000 car. I sincerely believe it’s the best EV you can buy today. I chose the RZ 450e with 18 inch wheels, which with latest software update unlocks more range and efficiency, and it was the best decision ever. As I noted above, disregard the skeptics / critics who tested pre-production or early production vehicles with old software. With latest software updates, the range and efficiency of the RZ 450e is amazing. 95% of my driving is in the city (Washington DC) at speeds below 35 MPH and I average well over 4.5 miles/kWh - vs 3.0 miles/kWh for my Model Y “long range” in similar conditions. On a recent drive, I got 7.2 miles/kWh. 18 inch wheels (NOT the optional 21 inch wheels) and using regen at lowest setting is key to getting maximum efficiency because Lexus designed an adaptive automatic regen braking system that recognizes when the car needs to slow down (for curves or stopped traffic) and blends in appropriate regen and friction braking as needed to simulate a true one pedal driving experience. The RZ hits 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. Its ride quality, powertrain refinement, quietness and sound system all blow the Tesla Model Y away. It glides over bumps and potholes like a Mercedes S Class /EQE/EQS or a Rolls Royce, while my Model Y crashed over them like it had no shock absorbers. The RZ has a light steering which makes navigating around potholes a breeze (steering tightens up when switched into Sport mode). The latest Lexus infotainment is snappy - having a large screen in front of you to display vital info as well as a heads up display are HUGE pluses over the Model Y. There’s another large screen that supports wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, so that’s another huge plus alongside beautiful physical controls for temperature setting. Lexus nailed the perfect balance of physical and onscreen controls - not having to go though the screen for controlling mirrors, lights and wipers definitely enhances safety. The two tone soft touch surfaces elevate the driving experience - you truly feel like you are in a luxury EV, unlike the somber interior of the Tesla. The Lexus lets you fine tune your efficiency to your driving style via Normal/Eco/Range settings, which once you sign in, it remembers your preferred settings. The radiant heat feature is genius - feels like a warm blanket on your legs. Safety features like Safe Exit Assist prevent doors from opening if a car or cyclist is approaching (can be overridden). There are so many thoughtful touches and safety features that make Tesla looks pretty crude and ancient - almost Iike an unfinished product. What about road trips? I took one from Washington, DC to NYC - something I’ve done in my Model Y previously - the RZ 450e averaged 4.2 miles/kWh at highway speeds with AC on in 90 degree temps. Fast charged at Tesla Superchargers to 100% (since Lexus says that’s fine to do) in under 40 minutes and arrived in NYC super refreshed due to cooled seats, excellent auto steer, superior ride comfort and overall refinement vs the Model Y. In NYC’s stop and go traffic, the RZ450e is averaging 5+ miles/kWh - Lexus has applied its experience optimizing for city driving efficiency to the RZ 450e. I even camped two nights in the RZ 450e, just like I did in the Model Y, and it makes an excellent camping vehicle. The folding memory foam mattress that I had ordered for the Model Y fits perfectly in the RZ 450e! If you have a family, they would appreciate the massive rear passenger area, with flat floor, easy ingress/egress, and heated rear seats with controls in the back (unlike Tesla Model Y). Lexus also offers 30 days of a Lexus ICE or hybrid loaner for longer road trips, but if you live on the coasts, or in a region with a high density of public fast chargers , you will likely never need to opt for the loaner. As for lack of a frunk, I don’t miss it. The RZ has plenty of space in the sub trunk for cables, plus features like digital rear view mirror, homelink garage door opener, blind spot alert lights and beeps, 360 panoramic camera views, auto park and ventilated / cooled seats more than make up for lack of frunk! Unlike Tesla, the controls for the hood and charge port are manual which is a better design should the 12V battery fail. The 12V battery is easily accessible in the RZ 450e and Lexus offers free scheduled maintenance at regular intervals to ensure you are not stranded with a failing 12V battery. Oh, and unlike Tesla, legendary Lexus service is just a phone call away - there’s always someone who answers the phone should you have a question. Lexus even delivered the vehicle to my home and the sales rep followed up multiple times in subsequent weeks to check in on my experience. With Tesla, it took them nearly 2 years and multiple email reminders to send me the correct paperwork to get my car registered in DC. Yep, I drove around with expired temp tags for almost two years. No wonder Tesla sales growth has slumped! Lexus has now released a RZ 300e with even more range, so definitely recommend checking that out. The RZ 300e Surprises With 125 MPGe EPA Rating that Beats Tesla Model Y. The Toyota BZ4X is another good option - a little shorter than the RZ, it sits higher than a Tesla Model 3, but rides much better, has more room in the back, and I think it also looks more interesting and sharper. Similar driving dynamics as the RZ, the BZ4X leases for under $200/month and is hands down a much better buy than the Model 3 or Y.

Until battery technology takes a quantum leap, the smaller the battery the better.

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Yeah after doing this video and continuing to learn about the topic I don't disagree with you.

@Tellyawhat4

27 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife Yup, another tick for the HEV.

I believe you've miscalculated. Firstly, hard to imagine you could get $25,000 for any 10-year-old car..... Particularly one with a purchase price of less than $ 50,000. That assumption is nuts. After 10 years of ownership you would be lucky to get 10 to 15% of the purchase price. The other assumption you're making for your calculation is you're comparing honestly priced Toyota to a Tesla which is anything but honest. That's comparing apples and oranges .

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Yeah you're not wrong. I kind of realize that later as far as the actual numbers for a 10-year-old vehicle are worth... But I still do think that it would be much easier to resell the Toyota either way. I tried to give a very fair warning that I would have some bad numbers! And yeah Toyota versus Tesla... I mean that's the world we live in! Those are definitely two of the hot sellers these days and even though it might not be fair guys like me are considering each of them.

@steve2483

2 ай бұрын

I I'm looking into purchasing a RAV4 Prime. I would prefer a full EV but wonder if we're still in the early adopter phase of EVS... And what that looks like. I keep my cars for 10 years, usually have over 300,000 km at the end, and they're almost worthless.

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

@@steve2483 We went to Toyota last week as we wanted to the drive the Prius Prime... they don't have any of them... they don't have any non-Prime Prius in stock!!! He basically said you had to order it without driving it then decide once it arrives if you still want it. Crazy world. So if you really are considering a Prime, if it's anything like it is here you might want to get a deposit down now if you even maybe want it in 3-18 months! 😫

@steve2483

2 ай бұрын

Yes, it's a different world these days..... My local dealer said 12 months. Yet I've also heard there are tons in the US. Go figure

@TomLawlor-iq6gm

Ай бұрын

When we ordered our Prime in 2022 the dealer offered $10,000 for our 12 year old Prius C. That's half of what we paid when it was new. Thought that was good value.

One of the few that takes into consideration the total cost of ownership over a long term period. Depreciation is typically the biggest outlay. Battery replacement vs. ICE replacement cost and possibilities should be factored in too.

@TheSAHDLife

18 күн бұрын

Yeah exactly! And lets face it... that's a lot of money on the line. Potentially 10's of thousands of dollars. People sure love their EV's though, I'm a little jealous, not going to lie..

FYI: Model Y’s don’t cost 60,000. They are 44,990 for the base. With a the tax credit its 37590. Not sure when the video was made but it shows it posted two months ago with essentially dated math. Maybe it’s me, but resale value on an EV or any car for that matter is incredibly misleading. A new car loses several thousands of dollars in value the second you sign for it and drive off the lot. Because It’s a depreciating asset. If you are one who buys and sells your car every few (2-3) years, it could matter to you. But anyone thinking of keeping the car more than five years, drive what you like and can afford. Outside of collector cars, most cars hold their value worse than real estate property in China right now. In this video, EVs and especially Teslas are taking a huge knock over their resale value when the tech in the older cars is the same as the newer cars. They all get the same software updates. Also, Used EVs saw Tesla drop the price of new vehicles dramatically in the last two years and that is killing the used market for Tesla Model 3s in Particularly. It also shows they were previously overpriced. Tesla just raised their prices on Xs and Ss. So the prices won’t keep dropping. Which alleviates any concern I might have about used EV prices. Ten years from now I won’t be selling a used EV to an enthusiast but to someone who cannot afford a new EV. Admittedly, I drive a car until it dies and then drive it a bit more just to be sure I got everything I can out of it😊. So I don’t care about resale value. I can about durability and dependability.

@TheSAHDLife

6 күн бұрын

In Canada the prices are a LOT higher (and the loans are much higher too) so that might be the difference in your numbers? And our Hyundai, though we saved money buying new it's worth quite a significant amount less than Toyota's of the same year. As I get older I realize that it's nice to have something easier to sell/trade-in later on. It's part of the equation anyway though like you mentioned, if you are keeping it for the long run it maybe doesn't/shouldn't matter? I'm just not one of those people that buys things and keeps them until their dead. I like to get money out of them if I can eventually. We still like the idea of the EV based on how we drive our current vehicle. Still can't quite afford it though.

@Alopen-xb1rb

6 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife So as an American I forget there are other currencies, countries and cultures. In this case I did not recognise the Canadian dollar. On the Tesla website a long range model Y sale in Canada is $63,990 and the exchange rate being one Canadian dollar is the equivalent of$.72 US dollar. Which amounts to $46,072.80 so it s a little more expensive. And its looks your EV incentive is $5,000 canadian or $3,600 real dollars😉. So it’s $42,742.80. Which yes it is more but is really $5000 more expensive roughly. On the positive side I looked at a map and can confirm I can drive to Canada😉. On a serious note, we love our new EV and good on you for breaking down the differences. We Would recommend them to anyone. Very fun to drive.

@TheSAHDLife

6 күн бұрын

@@Alopen-xb1rb To be honest I don't know if I've ever heard ONE person talk bad about the EV that they own. The negative talk seems to come from people who don't own them... Unfortunately for us we aren't quite at the point where we can afford a Model Y, though I am excited to see the new design right around the corner.

So people don't touch the same charging station handle, or Plug-in EV drivers don't scratch their butts? Which one am I to assume is why charging stations are not the same as far pumps, in that comical regard because, without that distinction, I didn't get why it's even a joke AGAINST fueling with Gasoline (presumably against pure EVs

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

I guess I was implying that in the future we'll all charge our vehicles at home. To be honest I've never been to a charging station so maybe it's just as nasty. Are there bathrooms there?!

I didn’t know batteries weren’t going to be cheaper in ten years, I didn’t know Toyota plugin cars never loose value even in ten years. I didn’t know they stopped adding charging infrastructure. I didn’t know new EVs stopped getting cheaper. I did know hybrids and Toyota MSRP keeps going up. I did know Hybrids get crap fuel mileage on the highway compared to in town.

@TheSAHDLife

20 күн бұрын

What kind of car do you have and what kind of car technology would you buy if you could right now?

Live the YOLO life and get the Tesla lol 😀

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Yes! My man 👊 It's what I really want to do to be honest... And I'm not going to lie if I could somehow make that work it would be hard not to extra Yolo on the performance one 😆

Here's the thing about batteries and replacements over time. You will see the replacement batteries come down in price. First don't assume that as new battery chemistry improves manufacturers will produce new chemistry packs to replace the old ones. Second as the technology is refined and patents fade aftermarket replacements will become commonplace you'll be able to get a 150kwh battery from interstate that weighs 2/3 what the factory battery costs and bolts right in place for US$4,500 and completely changing the math. Also as independent mechanics break the stranglehold that the EV manufacturers have on their vehicles the cost of service will plummet which will also have positive impacts on the used market. Finally I believe that it is a mistake to buy a vehicle from a hopped up tech company masquerading as a car company rather than a traditional auto manufacturer. I would strongly recommend that you take a closer look at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis have on offer. In the long run I believe that they are going to be the cars that ultimately beat out Tesla as top dog

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

Good points for sure! We bought a 2014 Hyundai and while it's been great the engine did die on us and left us stranded in the middle of nowhere about two summers ago. I even made a video on my Channel about it. To be fair Hyundai fixed it out of warranty at no cost to us and it's still running great but still left a bit of a sour taste to my mouth. I still do like the brand though and at least with electric motors that same problem can't happen. I don't fully disagree about Tesla but some of my friends that have had them for over 6 or 7 years now say they're still running great. Interesting is all.

@anonymousfu

8 күн бұрын

​@@TheSAHDLifeTesla is a superior car, not because it's an EV, but because it's a smartphone on wheels. If you're going to buy an EV, buy from the company that's been doing them the longest, and the best.

@TheSAHDLife

8 күн бұрын

@@anonymousfu I don't know if I've met anyone who owns a Tesla that doesn't love it... they sure sound great. I wish they were just a little cheaper. But then maybe they wouldn't be as good...

@anonymousfu

8 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife You can buy one that's a couple years old for pretty cheap, and still has lots of warranty left 👍

I think the more you look into EVs the less appealing they become, on every metric: 1) Going by UK numbers anyway, public chargers cost around 2-3x more per mile than just a conventional diesel vehicle. 2) The actual real world range on the motorway, in winter, between 10-80% charge (charging above 80% is a lot slower and some public chargers flat out don't let you do that) after 3 years of battery degradation, you can get as little as 80 miles range on a longer road trip on an LR Model 3. That's painful. 3) Your effective fuel tank gets a little smaller every year of ownership (with the largest drops being the first 3-4 years). 4) The argument of "well, you need to stop for a break anyway, so range isn't an issue" assumes your bladder is synced up to your battery level, which is not the case and you are forced to stop in boring places, instead of living a full life. 5) The batteries seem to fail at around 8-9 years on average with an eye watering £20k to replace. Even with just 15% degradation after 8 years they just suddenly fail 1 day where your charge drops from 50% to 0 in the space of a mile. 6) There are far more EV fires than non-EV fires in the UK and they last a lot longer, they also typically happen while you're sleep (these are stats that Honeywell got from UK fire departments) 7) As you mentioned depreciation is brutal, because of the above factors. 8) You still need to maintain the suspension, steering fluid, brake fluid, tyres, air filters, etc, et, etcc - in fact the average maintenance charge is a lot more than on a typical diesel. Oil and brake pads are cheap, electric motors and fancy door handles that fail after 60k miles are not. My maintenance cycle on a diesel is every 2 years and costs £150 on average. 9) As for fun, I am not sure where the fun is living your life by the needs of your car, instead of your own. This is why I bought a BMW 520D (diesel, not hybrid), it costs 12p per mile to run (vs more like 30p per mile with public charging an EV) and I get 1,000 mile range instead of 80 miles in winter on a longer trip - it's also a hell of a lot of fun and I can stop in beautiful scenic places instead of a Tesla super charger car park :) I could keep going, but I struggle to find any use case where another type of vehicle wouldn't be a better choice vs an EV. Even in situations where an EV could potentially work for the person with its limitations. Plus if you calculate the cost of battery replacements every 8-9 years in terms of cost per mile (and depreciation reflects this), then they are more expensive to run even if you charge at home...

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

Interesting take! It's always cool to hear opinions like this... for the first few points, since we both work from home and don't drive that often (would charge 100% at home), those points don't matter to US, but I think they are a big deal for most people. I've driven a lot of cars and had lots of motorcycles... I enjoy performance (not that I have it) and I think EV's are the closest thing to sport bike acceleration in a car which always brings a smile to my face. Plus the tech say, Tesla offers with the app etc is just cool. Is that worth paying $50,000+ for? Probably not. Would I have a blast ripping in a new Model 3? Ohh yeah. Lots of great points though. Power is SO much cheaper over here it's crazy. Will there be a point where you ever consider a full EV? And don't you find your diesel smelly?

@DigiDriftZone

Ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife smelly? Can’t say I ever smelt it? If you take 30k CAD for the battery replacement and divide it by the miles you will drive in 8 years, how much is that per mile? You need to add that to the cost of the electricity to get a true Cost of Ownership. Also in the UK at least the tariffs with cheap charging are those where you pay more for daytime electricity, so you end up paying around £40 more per month in day time non EV related electricity - something often missed out in calculating true cost. So even with home charging, at least in the UK the maths just doesn’t work. I crashed a Ducati 1260s a couple years ago which was the most adrenaline I think I ever experienced heh, luckily with no permanent injuries! and did a bit of dirt biking on mountains in Wales last year so I do like a bit of power myself. Now that 2 stroke is smelly! With that said in an EV, there’s no thrill or fun, there is no engine vibration, sound or a feeling of torque as it’s a very linear and clinical acceleration - and it overheats shortly after and goes into limp mode too. But also it’s quite jerky at the same time so you can’t drive it smoothly when you want. A recent paper showed the majority of people get a lot more motion sickness in an EV because of this jerky movement going from acceleration, to coasting to regenerative breaking. When I get in Uber EVs here I really feel that. The BMW is only about 200bhp and gets to 60mph in about 7.5s but you know what? It “feels” like a rocket when you hit the engine’s torque sweet spot and it still gets something like 65mpg, a lot cheaper than a hybrid on longer trips and still very economical in town, yet it’s very quiet and smooth when I want it to be. And it takes about 5 minutes per month to “charge up”, vs faffing around with unrolling and rolling up heavy extension cables every day and the mental load of do I need 80% today and how long until I can drive this thing, etc etc. About 10 years ago I thought right, this car (Merc C class diesel at the time) is my last non-EV, but 10 years later there is next to zero progress with EVs. The tech has just stalled and seems to be going backwards if anything with nothing on the horizon for the next several decades. The non LFP battery on a 2013 Tesla has a far greater energy density (about 30% more) that a modern model 3 and the failure rate is lower too, it also doesn’t experience the issues of needing 2 hours to super charge on a cold day. We also now know the infrastructure investment needed to move even 15% of vehicles to EVs, a super charger station needs as much power as a town, the infrastructure for this is 50+ years away and the reliability of the existing chargers is proving very poor. All the evidence is pointing to EVs not being a particularly big piece of the net zero puzzle, I don’t see them being above 30% of cars at 2050 or beyond, probably less. Current adoption in the UK is 2.3% of vehicles and sales figures are crashing. I have an EUC which I love and I like the idea of electric in theory, EVs make fantastic small personal city transportation (though fire safety is a concern, so much so you cannot bring an electric scooter on UK public transport anymore since 2021) but for it to be usable in practice, home charging needs to be quicker than 17 hours, the 40% or so of homes without an ability to home charge need a practical solution, public charging needs to be 3x less to compete with diesel (which won’t happen as a charge point costs millions to put in and maintain), real world winter motorway range needs to go up from 100 miles to 300 miles at least (but this is not possible as the vehicle will require a trucker’s license due to weight and won’t be legal in residential areas due to road damage), battery reliability needs to double to 18-20 years which is the average non EV lifespan here (not possible with lithium based chemistries it seems), battery replacement cost needs to be maybe 20% of the current cost (prices are going up not down with the global geopolitical instability), none of the batteries are recycled in practice as it’s not economical, that needs to change (a recycled battery would cost 200k instead of 20k), etc etc etc etc. EVs actually predate combustion engine cars as a product, maybe they’ll be viable in another 100 years or so, I don’t think they will be in our lifetime but happy to be proved wrong on this :) As you said if you can get a small EV for the city (but many cities are moving to low traffic neighbourhoods, closing roads/parking, making driving impractical in town) and something else for all other driving, that’s the sweet spot. But many can’t justify paying 2 insurance policies, 2 road tax chargers, 2 lots of maintenance/service costs, usually paying for an extra parking space too, that's also not particularly sustainable or environmental. Personally I have my 520D for every day and may get a little 2 seater sports car for fun, a TVR or something :)

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

@@DigiDriftZone Hot take man! Love it. "clinical acceleration" lols. That's rad. I get it but I have to say, I actually like it. My buddy let me drive his BMW i4 M50 and it was great fun. Plus the Ioniq 6 was fun to drive as well. They both put a big smile on my face every time I stomped the accelerator. Plus they were so quiet inside the music sounds great. In our 2014 Sante Fe we have the 2.0L Turbo and... to be honest I'm tired of the second or so ICE engines have before they hit their stride. When I want to accelerate I want to do it now. I like that much better with the EV. Are we going to buy an EV anytime soon? Yeah I really don't know... and you brought up a lot of great points which I'll have to chew on for a while. Fun to talk about though so I appreciate you weighing in on the topic 👊

@DigiDriftZone

Ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife Totally agree about instant torque, I love that on my EUC. Though if I risk a speeding ticket by putting my foot down, I still prefer the roar of an engine :) - just out of interest, what is the motivation for selling the Sente Fe, just fancy an upgrade or is it starting to have problems? - I would still be in my 2013 C Class (also 2l turbo) to be honest if my father didn't borrow and crash it (he's fine, the car wasn't), it basically ran like new with about 90k miles on the clock. My argument with EVs really boils down to they cannot compete on their own merit in a free market and that says a lot. In the UK anyway it has taken 10+ years of heavy government subsidies, incentives and constant media bombardment to transition 2.3% of vehicles to EVs. What would this percentage be without this heavy handed push by the government? - I think close to zero. With the subsidies stopping in 2025, let's see what happens.
 But also hybrids, the fuel economy is around 20-30% worse on average on the motorway/highway because the electric motors shut off and they rely purely on a usually compact 1.5l noisy petrol engine. A friend of the family for example has an 8 year old hybrid Toyota and she is getting rather nervous now about the battery. She wanted to sell it, but the value has plummeted because of the battery, with many equally aged vehicles being sold with recently replaced hybrid batteries. Now she wishes she would've just gone with a regular petrol or diesel. But at least the battery is around 1/4 the price of an EV one so it's still economical to repair.
 I guess my summary:

 - Petrol if 65%+ of your drives are short drives under 50mph and you want a consistent/predictable monthly expense (opex vs capex)
 - Hybrid is same as above but you're moving your costs in higher purchase/depreciation/repairs in favour of (usually) lower running costs, ultimately it still ends up costing about the same (usually) - plug-in if you have access to cheap energy, otherwise normal hybrid. - Diesel if 65%+ of your drives are at 50mph+ or longer drives in general and you just want less hassle, less maintenance (2 year cycles), less fuelling up (1,000 miles is not uncommon) - I'm in this category. - EV or 2 seater petrol convertible if you want a fun accessory for you primary vehicle :)

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

@@DigiDriftZone We've had the Sante Fe since 2014 and it's been great... except when the engine died on us. That sucked. Out of warranty though they paid for the $700 tow and replaced the engine so, that was nice. That was 2 years ago. We probably have 25,000kms on the new engine and besides having a bit of the creaks, it still runs great. We've been a 1 car family most of the time but now that our kids are getting older it would be nice to have a 2nd vehicle for running the kids to their activities etc... we are of 2 mins... 1. we get a cheap commuter and just use that, or 2. upgrade our main vehicle and keep the Sante Fe as it owes us nothing. We're in our 40's... we want reliable with some fun (well, I do anyway). It's a tough call on what the best thing is... at the end of the day, we know the value of spending as little as possible on a vehicle. It's what we've always done. But I DO love driving and exploring and having a vehicle I'm confident in that won't let me down. I can't say I've ever recovered from or have fully trusted the Hyundai on that front. We're still not sure what to do... and now after chatting with you, even less sure!

Saving more vs Having fun? Mazda

@TheSAHDLife

3 күн бұрын

I have been waiting to see what Mazda is up to. The problem is, in Canada anyway, they ain't cheap. I've had a few Mazda's though and have always enjoyed them but they are the same price as more premium cars... tough call.

And don't get me started on Teslas. 😂 They charge you an extra insurance fee because they aren't getting your tax dollars from paying for gas. ⛽ I hear that their tires wear down fast because of how heavy the batteries are. I hear that the charging takes forever at certain places. The software can be buggy sometimes, and most of all, the cost adds up!

@TheSAHDLife

Ай бұрын

That must be in the States because I emailed my Insurance broker and she sent me back the rates.... it was like $100 more for the YEAR owning a Tesla. Not as much more as I expected.

@m.hreels9822

Ай бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife yes it's definitely a United States thing unfortunately lol 😅

@lenimbery7038

Ай бұрын

Yes my insurance in BC is very comparable to my ICE vehicle on my Tesla

I get 1000km a tank out of my very efficient diesel. EVs dont stack up for me, I Can’t charge at home, they are way too expensive with bad resale. Why would I want an EV? Eventually like 5+ years I might consider a PHEV. Nothing I need to plug in. Again , very expensive compared to an efficient ICE vehicle.

@TheSAHDLife

18 күн бұрын

Diesel seems interesting though where I am they are hard to find and expensive. I've heard good things though.

Now the model 3 is under 40k in the long range

@TheSAHDLife

10 күн бұрын

Sadly here in Canada it's still a little more. About 43k + tax and you don't get the full rebates :( I'd LOVE to drive around in a long range. Those new ones sure look good, though I don't know about the turn signals 😆

I highly doubt a 10y old Prius is going to be worth $25k. 2013 Prius is going for $11k.

@TheSAHDLife

6 күн бұрын

For sure... if you read my pinned comment you will see I realized that after creating the video. Good catch though!

Great video! We are also considering the Prius Prime or the Mitsubishi Outlander. We think that EVs and PHEVs will come down in price by 2027, so we are thinking of waiting as my 2018 VW Alltrack still has lots of life left and is paid for. Lots to consider! Thanks for the cost comparisons!

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching! So just curious, what makes you think prices will come down by 2027? Just a hunch or... And I think those are both good options. My folks have the 2022 Outlander PHEV and my best friend just bought the 2024 Outlander PHEV. Both are very happy with them. The only thing he said was negative was that that app works only half the time... but he said it's great when it works (turn on AC from the app etc).

you forgot to factor the people you are helping kill with your ice vehicle. According to the WWW : "Globally, it is estimated that vehicle exhaust emissions are responsible for approximately 385,000 premature deaths each year. This includes the impacts from various pollutants such as fine particulate matter (PM2.5) and nitrogen dioxide (NO2) which are known to cause respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, among other health problems​.The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that outdoor air pollution causes about 4.2 million premature deaths annually, while studies indicate that total deaths from all anthropogenic air pollution sources could be as high as 8.8 million per year​". Do you care?

@jesseraphael2423

2 ай бұрын

Wow i love eco pandering, i surely dont get enough if that in my life. Thank god he didnt bring that up

@TheSAHDLife

2 ай бұрын

"helping kill people" is certainly a way of looking at things! I hear you though. I think most of us just need/want vehicles in our lives so we can get groceries, take our kids places, and explore. We don't think much beyond that when it comes to things like the effects on the earth etc, and yes, I do care and think we should all do our part. I mean that's what the video is about right? I'm asking people what is the next choice (I didn't mention buying an ICE) that we should take. I think the choices I suggested are all better for the environment but perhaps there are more things to consider. I think it's great you are taking that stance, but it feels like you are trying to shame me, and in my opinion, it's not the best way to start a conversation.

PHEV must have 150miles full charge!!!! when????

@TheSAHDLife

16 күн бұрын

Did I say that in the video?! I don't see that happening, but that would be incredible.

@jan1202

16 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife or maybe a hybrid tesla!

@TheSAHDLife

16 күн бұрын

@jan1202 haha one can dream! I wish they would team up with Toyota though... How cool would that be.

@jan1202

15 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife hopefully. NIO battery pack seems not gonna work! but yes, that’s the dream!

In 10 years time batteries will be cheaper and better any new technology will be swappable.. With less moving parts a battery change will be like a new vehicle

@TheSAHDLife

14 күн бұрын

I sure hope so. That would be sweet!

@Damadchef

14 күн бұрын

@@TheSAHDLife new battery Tec will need at most a controller (BMS) and in Europe you can replace the leaf battery (24kwh) for €3,500 today! Battery Tec will improve.. cheaper, lighter, longer, lasting.. 10 years is a very long time in technology. There's only 20 moving parts in an EV compared to 200 in an ICE vehicle... EV engine's will last longer

@TheSAHDLife

13 күн бұрын

@@Damadchef Love it. I hope you're right!

I'll wait till EV price at least equal than ICE car.

@TheSAHDLife

4 күн бұрын

I know, us too... we're kind of hoping that'll happen sooner rather than later!

Ev cars from China are a good bargain! Us local car manufacturers have to lower their prices!

@TheSAHDLife

13 күн бұрын

How would you even buy them here in North America... would you have to order it online through the company or are their local companies you can order them through? Never even seen one.

EV still needs Servicing and transmission fluid change. More expensive

@TheSAHDLife

26 күн бұрын

True. It would be nice to do 99% of my charging at home though. But yeah I don't know if I'm quite sold on EV quite yet.