It's not a Littlefinger thing directly but that clip you showed of him on his horse with a smug Sansa next to him reminded me how I hated her character for the rest of the series after that. I know it's the bad writing, but to have her accept Littlefinger's help and not tell Jon reinforcements were coming while scores of their army died, makes her into a heartless evil person.

@mitchellkoch3065

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, the writers didn’t understand the implications of this out-of-nowhere dramatic climactic moment. It used to be that any twists or contrivances had clear foreshadowing and/or cunning logic. Season 6-8, they just shoehorned in dramatic twists, no real buildup. These character assassinations were all for cheap unearned dramatic moments.

@ThumbsUpMike

3 ай бұрын

It was just their cheap little way of a "surprise twist" that just ends up being a lord of the rings rip off from Helms Deep. Here comes Gandalf and.......oh sorry, here comes Sansa with LittleFinger to save the day Not even subtle, lazy copy and paste with minor alterations.

Its brutal that Sansa... the most ignorant & unaware person in the show outplays LF at his own game lmao

@AlexBalu-vi1iv

5 ай бұрын

She grew as a character, while she was also helped by magic.

It's hard to imagine that the Littlefinger of the books would ever have sold Sansa to Ramsey. That was the beginning of the bad writing.

Damn right. Great video, dude!

Another good video 💙

Couldn't stand all the clapping and cheering from the NPCs when Littlefinger died for no reason. D and D were too dumb to know what to do with him once they ran out of George's material.

@reelworld1

5 ай бұрын

They even went so far as to have Bran say to Littlefinger, "Chaos is a ladder," and then he just hangs around in Winterfell after such a clear tell that they're all onto him. It'd be like Roose saying to Catelyn, "today's a good day for a Red Wedding."

@hhattonaom9729

5 ай бұрын

@@reelworld1 There was a Littlefinger theory video made before the disastrous final seasons, I think it's "Littlefinger is the Protagonist" or something like that. It picks up on possible hints that he had connections to Braavos so he could have employed a faceless person to replace him in Winterhold and faked his death. Where George or new writers could have taken his character from there could have been something special if it made sense and resulted in an epic payoff. But if we're being honest the integrity of his character was damaged when he sent Sansa to the Boltons, which made little sense. Anyway, he should have lived throughout the show and deserved an epic conclusion.

@reelworld1

5 ай бұрын

@@hhattonaom9729 I remember hearing about that theory. What's interesting too is that the fans were so invested in these characters, and respecting the capabilities of the real schemers etc, that they thought all the stupid stuff was a ruse. For instance, there was the whole capture a wight nonsense that Tyrion supported and his private meeting with Cersei, after the dragonpit meeting. Fans also thought he might have some secret deal with her.

@hhattonaom9729

5 ай бұрын

@@reelworld1 It's because most of us (including myself) had rose-tinted goggles that the show would end well and have incredible plot twists and/or circumstances because the first four seasons were so good. Even though it had become mediocre by S7, we still expected a decent ending. Even I will admit I thought S8 was ok after I initially watched it and realized I was dumb for thinking that. I found an expression called "revisionist history," where we initially view something positively but later reconsider it with a more critical perspective. I don't know if that's the best expression for the mind state, but it feels similar to the Mandela Effect.

@asapdammoh8272

5 ай бұрын

Little correction : There is a misconception in the fandom that D&D ran out of material, that's not true. By the end of GOT S4's production, they had still two books to adapt : A Feast For Crows & A Dance Of Dragons. Yes, TWOW wasn't out yet, however D&D chose deliberately to divert from the source material, the reason why S5 is miles away from B4 because they've twisted/changed almost every storyline. Instead of trying to find a way to adapt B4 & B5, they decided to cherry pick whatever they wanted from B4 & B5 and mixed it with their own ideas. I just really don't understand why the vast majority thinks they "ran out of books so the writing got shit" when they decided to ignore the books' complexity altogether.

Nice video

these are great breakdowns. yeah his decline as a character bothered me more than most. Tyrion still probably takes the cake though. but really if you think about it there was almost not a character unscathed. They all became kind of dumb and boring. But with certain ones it was definitely more tragic because of how wonderfully they had previously been written.

@reelworld1

4 ай бұрын

It's funny, you should mention the characters unscathed because I actually have a video coming out on that topic this weekend. The ones that were not destroyed all died in the series by Season 4.

@Shlogger

4 ай бұрын

@@reelworld1 lol. yeah that's a good point. some key players as well. Tywin Lannister. Rob and Ned Stark. Mormont. Renley. I guess in some ways we were blessed with not having to watch them die slowly from a thousand stupid cuts. lol. Shame how they underutilized the wolf angle too. It's pretty important in the books. Like all the Stark kids are a little wargy although obviously Bran's the strongest (although a fat lot of good it did anybody..lol).

@reelworld1

4 ай бұрын

@@Shlogger They struggled with the supernatural elements on the show. That's why they didn't pursue the warging or the connection to the direwolves. They let the whole "prince that was promised" prophecy die. Melisandre didn't even do anything useful in the end but light swords, and then of course Bran's powers in the apparently were just to be extremely creepy.

@Shlogger

4 ай бұрын

@@reelworld1 lol. basically. he was just kind of annoyingly cryptic by the end. No personality remaining. The lighting of the swords gag got a little old to me. Just like all the characters they seemed to have no idea what to do with her. I would've rather seen her get killed by the Night King or something. Her character was pretty annoying too d but she at least deserved a proper death. Not just turning into sawdust or whatever.. lol. I've been reading the books lately (almost done with the 3rd one) and as much as I was disappointed with the way the show turned out originally, after diving into the source material I'm actually shocked at the level of incompetence and indifference applied to this endearing masterpiece of a story. Well, partial story anyway. But yeah I went back and watched the show again while reading but I literally just stopped after season 4 cause I just didn't want to suffer through the degradation. Everything is pretty much solid all the way up to then. After that it's like a airplane slowly losing altitude till it's in a nosedive straight into the ground. lol

Milo from the Mayor of Kingstown

@reelworld1

5 ай бұрын

He was good in The Wire too, which was a different sort of role for him.

This video is such nonsense. Given the time frame of 8 seasons , littlefinger demise was executed good enough, especially compared to others. Varys to bring him down, such bullshit, they barelly had any scenes together. It makes sense the stark children to finish him off, as he tries once again his tricks, though he did not anticipate bran and magic. Littlefinger was so good that only magic ended him

@gembish1681

5 ай бұрын

In earlier seasons Littlefinger was okay, but still played wrong. Littlefinger was never a monologuing, mustache-twirling ham, so out of the gate show-Littlefinger is inaccurate...but Season 5/6 goes off the rails irreparably for his character. You cannot rationalize why he would sell Sansa to Ramsay knowing how much it would endanger her, it's bad writing that goes against a fundamental aspect of his character: his twisted, eternal affection for Catelyn, and the pervy attachment he feels for Sansa, since to him she's simultaneously the daughter he never had and also Catelyn 2.0. It's one of many objectively baffling decisions in the adaptation meant to elicit shock more than make sense, and it absolutely destroys the great Northern conspiracy plotline the books are building up to by moving around the key figures in Ramsay's marriage and the Bolton's alliances. Plus GRRM has even showed disdain for how poorly Littlefinger was handled.

@AlexBalu-vi1iv

5 ай бұрын

@@gembish1681 i was talking about his demise, end game, wich i was personally satisfied. As for what you said, i do agree that its a bit of a stretch fingers selling sansa to the boltons, but i can rationalize , as you make it much worse sounding like awfull writing. No matter who wins between stannis or boltons, littlefinger wins. Boltons need sansa, a stark for alliances, they would not hurt her. Sansa was supposed to manipulate ramsay like marguery. Littlefinger asked sansa if she wants to play the game , and she said yes