Capillary action is the term I was looking for, that pulls the WD-40 between the layers of steel.

@witchdoctor9145

3 жыл бұрын

Do you think this methode will work with a coal forge?

@GrahamCrannell

2 жыл бұрын

funny enough, capillary action is caused by surface tension, so you were basically right haha

@Afro408

Жыл бұрын

@@GrahamCrannellthe phenomenon is also known as ‘wicking’

Criminally underrated video and channel.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I have often wondered about using 10w-40 since it was mentioned on Forged in Fire - thanks for makeing this video and proving it to be effective.

Well i use WD-40 on cleaning the blade but never thought that WD-40 could weld thankyou im going to try this thx mate 👍

I think I'll give this a try. I actually did my first forge weld today. It was pretty awesome!

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Cool!

@billwoehl3051

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats 👍

I will try wd 40 today better than rebuilding your forge Thank you great video

Surface tension-capillary action, same thing.

I use WD-40 to forge weld, it work's the best in my opinion. It hasn't failed me yet & doesn't leave my forge all sticky.

Just inherited a William Forester coach maker anvil guessing about 90 lbs and a round pan forge with a champion hand crank blower, was frozen up but only took some WD-40 and gently played with it and she freed right up. Made a tri legged stand for the anvil and got to use them both today.

I've done this. ITs worked. But it was only a san mai and a 5 layer. Oh and tie wired them not welded lol great video

Very cool video. You make it look easy.

Brilliant, just came across your video. Would be so much cleaner and also not destroy my gas forge .Thanks for the demo.

Awesome to know! I heard about this but never tried it. And just found your channel and it’s awesome!

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate that very much!

@TheCoalDragonForge

4 жыл бұрын

Fire Creek Forge no problem!

Interesting...enjoy your weekend. Stay safe my friend!

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Steve, you too!

Very well done!

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

that was cool. thought it was a bit click bait but it worked. nice to know in a pinch or as borax is something one has to search to find here in Sweden if I run out.

That looks really good!! It’s going to be a nice knife!!

Thank you this is very helpful!

"Pocket"... Delamination is the word. And also you can forge weld without flux of any kind if you have a decent smooth grind on the planar surfaces of the stacked metals, and if you have your forge burning relatively neutral - meaning you are supplying enough oxygen to your propane flame to get hot without having an excess of oxygen. Too oxidizing, you get oxidized and burned metal, too rich or "reducing" of a mixture and you are generating water as a product of the flame. Keeping the forge sealed off as you have done is probably what gave you success. If you leave the brick open on the end you will be seeing "dragons breath" coming out. If you notice you will see the fire fluctuating in whooshes which any forge will do while open ended; on the flame drop it is drawing air in that has no fuel to mix with and will oxidize your work piece, then the whoosh outward is the expulsion of heat. Standard draft properties. The rough definition of wind is "the atmospheric effect created by uneven heating of a medium." You get the idea

Capillary action is the term you were searching for

I've been using a borax/fluorspar mix for 20-odd years but I may just want to give this a try. Not running short on fluorspar, just curious. Won't try it on anything important, though, my rule of life is first try at anything I will f**k up something.

heating up wd-40 is increadibly dangerous seeing as the material safety data sheet states Thermal decomposition will release hydrogen fluoride, carbon monoxide and phosgene and with phosgene being a deadly gas it does not seem like a good idea

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

That's basically what all fuel does...

@pingabl3

2 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge acording to google tho its pretty much only chlorinated solvents that release phosgene

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

@@pingabl3 I see

@cilismoniker7322

Жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Pretty sure not all fuel turns into phosgene gas. Most tend to be water vapor and a hydrogen bi-product. Phosgene gives you a chest infection feeling. If you inhaled enough, you'll come out of it, only to get sick again, and possibly die of "choking" because that phosgene gas reacts with the water in your lungs to make stomach acid... digesting your gas exchange structures. Nothing to be careless with. Hope everyone doing this is not working in a small garage. The "It ain't killed me yet" crowd usually find out 20-30 years too late. Like battery workers and handmade ammo makers.

Forge welding with WD-40 I would have never thought of that one! Good job man, I agree probably not the best thing to be breathing though! At least you don't have borax all over the floor of your forge though

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah i heard about it and had to try it. Kerosene and Diesel are supposed to work the same way.

wd 40 is a hydrocarbon, and is comprised of around a third kerosene. when this burns it leaves carbon on the surface fighting the oxidizing(scaling) process. Also, carbon lowers the melting temp of steel, which is why it can forge weld at a lower temp without borax. using a carburizing flame also helps this process. flux sux

@NKG416

3 жыл бұрын

hey will wd40 degrade my propane forge insulation?

@dozernmike2423

2 жыл бұрын

@@NKG416 I assume the kerosene will just burn

@billwoehl3051

2 жыл бұрын

Sound like Roy from Christ Centered Iron Works. "Flux Sucks"😁

Cool man,Thanks!

I usually use kerosene, I’ve never tried wd. I learned the kerosene trick from Jim pore world renowned shoer

@kenlude97

3 жыл бұрын

@shurap uses Kerosene a lot, and his work is "ok". ;) I just haven't tried it yet, my last bunch of forge welding was all canister so no flux was used.

That's really cool thank you. I've heard of using flux and sand but never WD-40. That's an excellent job grinding also. I'm so bad at it I try to forge it out as much as I can. did you use a guide on the plunge line?

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, thanks for watching. I can't say my grinding method is the best or easiest, although I have personally become pretty proficient at it. I didn't do it in this video, but laying out lines to grind the edge to should make it easier, as well as using a guide for the plunge line.

Is it Cappilliary action what you were referring to ?

@christoffermarchesan6223

4 жыл бұрын

Was going to say the same thing .. I’m a plumber so during soldering we rely on the capillary effect.

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, that's the word I was trying to think of..!

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, thank you!

Here's an idea for showing what steal is what color in the etch: make a billet from lowest carbon to highest, then add in the exotics. And then the end grain pattern should be a quick reference guide.

hey man just curious what PSI you're running to reach forge welding temp? my forge looks very similar, im running a frosty T burner and trying to tune it. I don't have the forge lined with anything maybe that's my issue? Keep up the good work!

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

Usually 15-20 psi when welding. The single burner doesn't put off as much hear so you have to crank it up a bit more.

Hey man i found it....but I got sidetracked in between lol taking advantage of days off to get caught up around my place. Did you make a video of the finished knife? I bet it came out beautifully

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yeah it came out pretty neat, didn't do a video on it but did post it up on my facebook page, might put up a pic here too.

What kind of belt grinder/sander is that that you’re using starting at around 7:15? I need something like that

I’ve seen people use diesel

Awesome! I've used kerosene before with good result. Thank you!

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

You bet, thanks for watching!

No flux used. WD 40 is good👍👍👍

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Why anyone more use This method? Is soooo AWESOME !

Would this work with Diesel as well?

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@gwcstudio

Жыл бұрын

You're burning the hydrocarbons down and leaving a thin coat of carbon on the metal. Carbon loves to stick to stuff, so it acts as a flux.

I don't think it is the nickel in the steel reacting to heat that you can barely see it when it's not etched because I made a 1095/ mild steel san mai and could barely see the layers and as far as I know neither of those have much nickel

I am interested in knowing what brand of forge you normally use low use.

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

my single burner forge (the one I use the most) is on I built, and I also have a Majestic Forge three burner

@jeffreymiller9706

2 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Thanks so much. The knowledge you share is invaluable.

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreymiller9706 you bet!

What pressure do you run your propane at to forge weld?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

15-20

@Biggsy8324

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Thanks man!

I usually use wd40 to dissolve my borax before bringing billet to heat. I’ve had great results.

@FireCreekForge

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, a petroleum product seems to work well along with flux (I've done this with diesel).

there is water in WD-40 right

I have heard from an old timer but never tried it, to dip the stacked billet into a bucket of kerosene before the first heat. Seems to me about the same thing as your doing? Anyone else try this?

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I do that now but with diesel

Capillary action

Capillary effect

Sans borax merci

Es una pena que no esté en español

and today we'r gana fire weld without flux using the process of getting good flux is for Americans or important structural welds

There is a guy I can't remember what country he is in but he uses diesel fuel

@gwcstudio

Жыл бұрын

Yevgeny shevchenko - "shurap" on yt. Uses kero.

Seems weird to clean it to just cover it in oily wd 40

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

Making sure there's no scale or grit

Not spot welded... Spot welding is using high current between two electrodes that are pinching metal together and fusing them. It uses no rod filament nor flux