For Beginners: Why These "Bulletproof" Opening Ranges Burn Money & How Loose You Should Play Instead

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#preflop #25nl #zonepoker #redchippoker
After accumulating another 40ish hours at $25nl Zone Poker on Ignition / Bovada over the months (BUSTO confirmed), I realized a huge amount of my edge was coming from pre-flop play, which was manifesting by winning MUCH more money without seeing a showdown. Here's exactly how maniacally loose I played, why Red Chip Poker's "Bulletproof Opening Ranges" start you off on a massively uphill struggle, and how you should change your approach to your game starting today.
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  • @knowlestoo
    @knowlestoo3 жыл бұрын

    Now, if only you had a robust teaching method that demonstrated your approach was far superior than, say, Red Chip's. I.e. validated through the data from other individuals rather than just from you because these results are much more likely to be your ungodly level of skill than the ranges. For people without those skills, tighter ranges are at least a bit more prudent. Anyway, entertaining as always.

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well if you're going to set the ball so perfectly for me, it would be rude not to spike it. imgur.com/a/YJBzvq6 Clockwise from the top right: 1) Henry got banned from his private game and then moved to $1/2 Ignition Zone, where he was immediately a crusher. 2) Alec started at $25NL at the beginning of 2020 and began playing $5/10 in August, and even played at the same table against me at ~$3k. 3) An Overnight Monster playing $5/10 on N8 against Goose.Core and coolering him.

  • @Richard-pv1vc

    @Richard-pv1vc

    3 жыл бұрын

    I really don't understand the perspective of 'lets get basic strategies given to people who have never played poker before and compare them to what a solver does'. Half the videos with attacks on Red Chip, J Little, Splitsuit etc. seem to miss the whole point of these, they're basic strategies that if you carry out you won't go far wrong. This is the kind of thing I would give my Dad if he was playing his first poker game, is it perfect or near optimal for either GTO or heavily exploitable? No. Is it better than having random ranges and opening the same range from every position? Absolutely. Teaching an absolute beginner to play like a LAG before they've understood basic game mechanics, post flop play etc. is a much quicker way to burn money IMO.

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Actually my strategies are easier to recognize and execute, give up less exploitative counterplay from a pure gto perspective, and are more robust facing any opponent. You're missing the point about why their strategies are so bad as even a starting point. Again, many of my players come to me at very low limits and I still insist they play loose, then they crush. It's not stylistic opinion, it's quantifiable exploits based on pure math and very little "sense" of what is good or bad.

  • @couteauxduseignanx4625

    @couteauxduseignanx4625

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AlvinTeachesPoker how about the 10% rake in lower limits ? In another video you share very tight ranges. And here you talk about being more lose to have a better red line.

  • @ralphlill5496
    @ralphlill54963 жыл бұрын

    I always like the positive energy you bring to your videos and the alternative views an approaches you use and talk about!!! So I wanted to say thank you and please dont stop posting.

  • @Vunomic
    @Vunomic3 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see newer contents being uploaded at a faster pace from u Alvin! Your videos are extremely valuable for me brother and one of 2 people on KZread that I trust for quality poker assessment. Keep shining on these fools. They hating cause for the first time, they being burnt by you outshining them in poker & coaching instead of what they usually expect, burnt by throwing shades. Haha!

  • @davidmendez8185
    @davidmendez81853 жыл бұрын

    Great video, sir! Thank you for more great content.

  • @raveNANT9
    @raveNANT93 жыл бұрын

    TY Alvin , great tips !

  • @Procastinatestoomuch
    @Procastinatestoomuch3 жыл бұрын

    Very eye opening, thank you very much!

  • @TheSwissEditor
    @TheSwissEditor3 жыл бұрын

    Refreshing! TY

  • @MrAntony2825
    @MrAntony28252 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video!!

  • @rverges23
    @rverges23 Жыл бұрын

    Wow. This hurts my feelings a little but excited to get some coaching from you in the near future!

  • @JAKTPLO
    @JAKTPLO3 жыл бұрын

    how are you adapting the opening ranges vs. limps? are you just treating the limps as "opens" and then raising your 3betting range from that position?

  • @marlboro1771
    @marlboro17713 жыл бұрын

    Alvin, you took down one of my favorite video, the one where you showed us how to incorporate overbets on the turn. Will you re-upload that any time soon?

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Probably not, I took down videos to increase the value of my course at Overnightmonster.com #shamelessplug

  • @johndough6978
    @johndough69783 жыл бұрын

    Would love to see some live action at these stakes! Thanks for the video

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes sir!

  • @1warlock97
    @1warlock973 жыл бұрын

    Nice content. Can I ask what open/3-bet sizes you were using in this sample?

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    3bb rfi and standard 3bet sizings

  • @shuakhwe
    @shuakhwe3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Alvin how did your 4betting do OOP? You have a way higher stat for that than the sim you showed - your sim recommended you only 4b KK+/AK right even COvBTN which would be somewhere around 10%, but your stats for UTG-CO are around 20%....

  • @iiifilthyy1181
    @iiifilthyy11813 жыл бұрын

    When you say postflop training wheels/GTO simplifications, what does this mean? Like just range betting 1/3 on most flops?

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Or checking range, or playing an easily identifiable polarization strategy

  • @sc4332
    @sc43323 жыл бұрын

    Hi What tracker are you using? (Watching on my phone and can’t make it out)

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hand 2 note!

  • @theotheo590
    @theotheo5903 жыл бұрын

    Dude u have 20k hands sample with are u talking looool

  • @whotookmybadjas

    @whotookmybadjas

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you'd just use a variance calculator you'd see that it is very likely (95% confidence) that he plays within 8.5bb/100 and 32.5bb/100 ;)

  • @shtcoinmaxi1367
    @shtcoinmaxi13673 жыл бұрын

    Is bovada just softer in general? I can do well on 50nl there, but on ACR I am barely break even.

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    From my understanding, Bovada is indeed softer and ACR is very RB grindy.

  • @TacoBully
    @TacoBully3 жыл бұрын

    Best video maker of ytb poker streets

  • @mollycadencecase9019

    @mollycadencecase9019

    3 жыл бұрын

    And practically every “serious” player thinks he’s full of shit, which only makes Alvin’s content more valuable. 😛

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think you underestimate how many "serious" players are close friends of mine or eventually come to me for coaching. ;)

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Revisiting this comment months later now that Cadence is a student of mine and has seen how far many of my students have gone and how seriously we run shit over at my dojo.

  • @mollycadencecase9019

    @mollycadencecase9019

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AlvinTeachesPoker this was the plan all along. :)

  • @MalikMalik-wp5nj
    @MalikMalik-wp5nj3 жыл бұрын

    Hey bro, any twictch plan in the future?

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    I recently did a stream of me playing for my overnight monster crew and really enjoyed it, thinking about streaming more, twitch would definitely be attractive!

  • @brianlee1417
    @brianlee14172 жыл бұрын

    Hey Alvin, so if you can do it over again you would triple barrel your complete garbage as well to make even more money?

  • @halloweenbandit883
    @halloweenbandit8832 жыл бұрын

    What do you mean when you say you simplify post flop?

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    2 жыл бұрын

    I bet or check my entire range!

  • @geoffwilson413
    @geoffwilson4132 жыл бұрын

    I just download the current Red Chip "bulletproof" ranges, and the current version doesn't look nearly as tight as the version shown in this video - and it now comes with a couple of paragraphs justifying why the ranges are not "perfect GTO ranges". I'd say acting on the comments in this video is acknowledgement the video is right.

  • @johnhunter6808
    @johnhunter68083 жыл бұрын

    In Zone poker I feel like people are just calling me down with anything, they aren't folding to barrels if they have anything at all, and if you check they're making gross sized bets with any pair or draw. But then when I decide to fight back, I always run into their big hands. I wish I could afford your school but unfortunately I'm not making enough yet.

  • @ElPr3dator

    @ElPr3dator

    3 жыл бұрын

    @john hunter. I like Alvin, i like his strategy and I tried an experiment applying it (long before i saw his videos). And yes, it works very well. BUT: Depending on many factors: What are your level of experience, which room are you playing in, etc, etc. So, for instance, this doesn't apply 100 % or almost at all if you are a beginner which is "forced" to be agressive when you are ashley by default a very calm or risk averse person. Yes, you can develop it to that point, but how much money you have to burn until you get there no one is tolding you. The same, it may apply in America or Asia on rooms like Bovada, Bodog and others. But in Europe and on Poker stars, try this stragtegy with cautious. Even in those microlimits there are a ton of maniacs and ultimate station whales (like u said) than tight scaried fishes, you'll never run the people over with blind agression. So as a baseline, a solid TA strategy is bringing you much more EV here. But i agree, this red line chart is way too tight. Anyway, my rule before all others: just pay attention on the tables, what are people doing and adjust accordingly. So, never play on autopilot, blinded based on some GTO ranges, some gurus charts, etc, etc. Cheers.

  • @you393
    @you3933 жыл бұрын

    Actually if you look into the gto book "Applications of no limit holdem" they are opening 47.5% from button which is with opening aize of 3.5bb so your 54% is total inline with gto play if your opening size is less than 3.5bb. So i agree red chip ranges are too tight specially if they are opening 2.5bb which they probably are. Thats my understanding i could be wrong, i am not an expert just a beginner trying to understand gto

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Uh 47.5 with 3.5bb is just plain wrong and definitely not gto

  • @you393

    @you393

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AlvinTeachesPoker that is interesting, because what he has done to calculate is he looks at bet size of 3 bet to see how much percentage our range should we be defending against 3 bet and applied same strategy to calculate the percentage of our range for 4 bet and 5 bet jamming. Then he looks at the EV of 5 bet jamming hands against various ranges. So then based upon the ones which are 0 EV or above he calculates 5 bet range and thus scale back down to calculate opening range which then used will have a 5 bet jamming range of 0 EV or above. Because if you open too wide you will have negative ev hands against various different ranges for 3bet 4bet and 5 bet. This is what i make of it, offcourse i could be wrong as if i understood completely then i would definitely be atleast playing higher stakes . I am not defending or challenging your claim, i am just presenting what i understood.

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have no idea if that methodology is right but it comes to the wrong result I'm fairly sure

  • @you393

    @you393

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AlvinTeachesPoker ok sure thanks, best of luck for the course. I would definitely consider it if i decide to invest money in learning poker.

  • @MelFinehout
    @MelFinehout Жыл бұрын

    I do see your point. And it made me question why they would do that at Redchip. I think the reason YOU can play so loose, and they recomend playing quite tight is basically the same reason. You have a huge skill edge. And, these ranges (if they arw part of the CORE curriculum) are aimed at beginners who will mostly be at a skill disadvantage. You clearly teqch higger level stuff, and so this is not a shot at you. Just pointing out. Seem reasonable?

  • @goodfractalspoker7179
    @goodfractalspoker71793 жыл бұрын

    You remind me of Mathew Janda. Do you have IG bro?

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's my name, I don't really play on it just lurk

  • @m.t.devdariani4075
    @m.t.devdariani40753 жыл бұрын

    20k hands to small example,i had few times 20bb/100 or more winrate intervals , but when going more then 300k handen than you can see real results and make conclusions

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you haven't been watching my channel, you'll see it's not me cherry picking a 20k sample, it's what I can sustain in these very soft games and in the video I explain how I completely misunderstand the correct river barreling frequency and can dramatically improve my winrate.

  • @goodfractalspoker7179
    @goodfractalspoker71793 жыл бұрын

    Those ranges are trash btw. Ryan Fee had better ranges 10 years ago.

  • @nirsoxd2012
    @nirsoxd20123 жыл бұрын

    It's pretty easy to complain about free resources not being optimal while not providing your own RFI ranges for free. The GTO solutions cost up to 1000$ for 6max but I don't see those being handed out for free, yet those 1000$ solutions are what this free information is being benchmarked against? Seems kinda weird man.

  • @AlvinTeachesPoker

    @AlvinTeachesPoker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Then pay money. You can buy gto solutions from a book for the cost of a book, you'd be pretty dumb to pay 1k instead of buying a solver and doing it yourself. If you want everything for free, then don't complain when you get losing information. I tell you exactly how often I raise in this video.

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