This was an awesome video! Pete Clark over at carrot poker refers to this intention for your specific hand as a hand's 'investment ceiling.' It always confused me a little about how to implement it in practice, but your explanation about how to navigate towards it through different lines really helped tie it all together. I would assume different run outs that aren't as bricky would lower the pot size intention of hand like AJ and then promote the investment ceiling of other hands in your range? In general this concept seems easier to follow across different textures for value hands, rather than trying to estimate what lines your value hands could take, and then pairing them with the appropriate bluff combos for that line. Are there other heuristics for figuring out which bluff combos should fit into different lines/sizings besides the hand's blocker properties?

@AlvinTeachesPoker

10 ай бұрын

Yes of course there are plenty, but that's for whole other videos and outside of the realm of KZread comments

Explaining 'assiging intention' has taught me more in 15mins about betting strategy than I've learned from endless hours of other KZreadr's vids and countless books. Seriously, that's a major a-ha moment for me as nobody else has ever explained the purpose of changing the bet sizings so well. And I now finally understand how to navigate a solver tree as well and what to look for! Thank you so much!

@AlvinTeachesPoker

Жыл бұрын

This is the best comment. I'm so glad it clicked for you!

My favorite poker coach !

Very nice to see you back bro, always looking forward to your videos

Very enlightening, thanks once again Alvin.

I find playing a GTO-ish style very natural, it's basically logical to me so I don't find it hard to learn. I never understood people who study excel sheets (about frequencies, etc), you can't memorize every spot and you can't memorize every exception and solutions always have some randomization. Just think logical, equity, EV, vulnerability. The only area where I'm a bit confused sometimes is when it comes to blockers and unblockers but with practice it's gonna be OK. I'm using GTO+, it has a built in play against the solution, I think it's pretty good. Solver + trainer in one for cheap, it lets you to choose multiple options without a penalty so I can play with the "intention" of a hand as you said which is also very logical. Nice video.

Shout out from France Alvin, thanks for your content 👍

The target pot sized based on hand strengths is a fantastic concept. Is it possible to further elaborate on this topic with what you believe should be the Target Pot Size by the river with various holdings? Love your no BS approach to training. Cheers from India

How does your intention thought process apply to bluffs? Presumably u want to build a pot of 0BB if considering your own hand in a vacuum, unless if u redefine it to building a desired pot of 0BB at showdown, in which case bluffing can achieve that.

I was very happy to learn about a target pots size with multiple strategies to get there. I am convinced that this approach to a "strategy" is going to be much easier to implement at the at the table than memorizing "spots". Since I am what you describe as a beginner, I would be interested in hearing more about how you compute the pot size and how to train for it. I was watching this vlog on my phone and I think I need to see it on a big screen to get a better grasp of your point.

great video, it feels like the owners of GTOWizard looked at this video lol because since it came out, they implemented frequency play meaning u have to guess frequencies rather than majority play, as well as full hand play so you dont just answer a spot but answer every move from the start

Who ever said the purpose of GTO is to try and copy it?

Yeah but I can achieve what you're suggesting by locking in AJ in my trainer and just playing it over and over again across different lines and runouts, and it really helps me to understand how this hand retains equity vs different lines and ranges. I also pull up the same solve in another window and node lock when I feel like population is deviating and I get a sense of how strategy changes for range and hand. Maybe you're suggesting that people aren't using trainers like this?

@AlvinTeachesPoker

3 жыл бұрын

That's not what I said in the video. I'm describing playing aj six different ways on the same board and it's all near gto.

@davidfong7848

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlvinTeachesPoker It sounds like we're reverting back to the argument that solvers aren't being used the right way if you're just trying to mimic the output instead of understanding why the output is the way it is. I don't think it means that solvers or, in this case, GTO trainers are inefficient. I think we both agree that there are efficient and inefficient ways to use these tools. If I'm trying to estimate how much money a certain hand class wants to put in the pot, like I think you're suggesting, I would just lock in that hand and play it over in a trainer and over again to see the multiple ways it accomplishes that. If I just play one unique spot after another with a different hand each time, I agree that it would take much longer to take away any meaningful heuristic, especially for a beginner.

@AlvinTeachesPoker

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. As I said in the video, the trainer will not give you positive feedback for taking minority near equilibrium lines, it'll repeatedly tell you to take the more frequent one. And in this case, where the answer is "do anything," then how is a trainer in any way more efficient than looking at even a SINGLE solve and recognizing this phenomenon? Like, what you just described doing can be done in piosolver at x100000 the efficiency, in my eyes.

@davidfong7848

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlvinTeachesPoker That's not true. The trainer I use will allow me to take any line that is similar in EV to the most optimal line.

Found this super helpful.

Great material!

I think no one sits in trainers for hours to learn the GTO. For example, I use a trainer before the session, for warm-up, mark some spots there where I made a mistake (don't understand situation), in order to study the full calculation afterwards.

@AlvinTeachesPoker

3 жыл бұрын

So you think no one uses trainers how they were designed to be used? I somehow doubt that.

@lenlenivaia784

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlvinTeachesPoker surely, someone is using and I absolutely agree that their approach is unreasonable (in the comment, I tried to clarify that not many people has been using it for hours, and it really looks too categorical when i say no one). I would like to note that the trainers is not just useless software. In any case, the video is excellent as always. Another question: have you seen GTOx and if so, how do you feel about it? (sorry in advance for my english)

Off the open I think your base assumption is wrong. Learning “the baseline” as you put it, shouldn’t be seen as the default action(although I’m sure you and I agree that this is how these products are advertised) but as the distinction between what is mathematically correct, and using that knowledge to find spots where villains deviate(that’s where we begin to exploit them). At least I think this made sense. Lmk if I’m just a moron.

Keep speaking truth. I feel many do not know. Understanding the nature of reality is Paramount on understanding who we are, why is the world the way it is. The big why's get the big answers. Thank you Alvin I appreciate you and your knowledge on poker; you have opened my mind to new concepts on poker strategy. Thank you very much

I don't understand what this guy is saying.. GTO is trying to be as close to equilibrium as possible, so that your opponent cannot exploit you. How is that working with a GTO trainer makes you exploitable. Doesn't make sense to me...

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great video ! how will AI bots play humans in 20 years, when they also understand how people think and feel, and can understand meta game and recognize tilt ? not gto, that is for sure !