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@bishopmabry2054

26 күн бұрын

My only concern is that lowering the barrier to entry on high performance bikes by adding DCT will enable those who literally do not know how to ride a motorcycle to start rolling down the road faster. Having to learn a clutch is a barrier that I think filters out the most low-effort would-be squids who will never get an endorsement

@andres_pz

26 күн бұрын

@@bishopmabry2054 I'm not entirely sure it really applies here. Many modern bikes have quickshifters, so you don't really have to use the clutch, but it allows you to be quicker, and I don't see people complaining about qs's.

@mindofmonster

25 күн бұрын

@@andres_pz Even with a quick shifter you still have to use the clutch to initially take off in first.

@lstavenhagen

24 күн бұрын

I have a '21 africa twin DCT and my list of dont likes is far shorter than the list of likes. The main problem with the DCT is you can't disengage the engine from the driveline once it hooks up. That makes low speed maneuvers a bit of a lurch fest. You can't feather the clutch or just plain pull it in and coast to a stop, etc. I think that's the only thing I don't like about it. Everything else is a plus over a manual in my experience....

@RedLine0069

24 күн бұрын

I own a DCT africa twin from 2020 , about the engine braking situation, one thing, there is a option to increase or decrease the engine braking and probably you have the less braking engine option, that is why you have the user 1 or user 2, you can select how much power, engine brake, wheelie control on the menu to suit your own taste.

This bike is perfect for riders such as myself since I’m a left leg amputee.

@noahpetroff9737

26 күн бұрын

I was thinking that the DCT is truly remarkable in terms of accessibility. It might not be for everyone but it serves an amazing purpose for a great number of people

@SilverPaladin

26 күн бұрын

I guess a hand lever system to operate the kickstand?

@waynebernitt2806

26 күн бұрын

So happy you can still enjoy the thrill that is motorcycling. Love and respect from Australia Bro

@ybaha1995

14 күн бұрын

Actually the only respectable use-case

@some_guy441

5 күн бұрын

@@SilverPaladin I have an Airbag system that lowers the bike onto the ground or if you want the system can be linked up to a switch that lowers a center stand instead of the left side kickstand. it's pretty neat.

I'm 71 and only got back into riding 3 years ago. I love the DCT on my Rebel 1100 with the African Twin engine. The bike is light, easy to handle, and in city traffic, the DCT is great. On the highway, cruising at the speed limit with cruise control for long rides is also a huge plus. Although I am only 5'7" I found I had to put on control extenders to stretch out a bit. I also have added a Puig windscreen which works really well at highway speeds. For additional comfort, I added an Airhawk inflatable cushion to the seat. To make a long story short, for senior riders like me, the DCT turns the bike into an "old man's scooter":-)

I've owned a Africa DCT for awhile. Greatest road bike I've ridden for onroad/light offroad touring. Glad you finally tried one. Can't imagine a better "Adventure" touring bike and I've ridden most everything out there.

I’m a “purist” love shifting. Wanted one of these. My riding buddy got the dct. Rode it and said I need manual. Then he had me borrow it for a weekend, showed me how to adjust settings for power, engine break exc. I was sold after that weekend. Over 13k miles later still love it ride it all over Colorado, ohv, highway. Great bikes. I am lucky enough to still have a grom and yz250x to shift. Don’t think I could do dct for an only bike but they are more capable than most riders and can be adjusted to most preferences.

@jonlough3074

11 күн бұрын

Have you figured out a good setup to tackle wind noise? I love mine but am thinking selling it because I cherish my hearing. Crazy loud even with plugs and a shoei rf1400.

@nogerboher5266

3 күн бұрын

Yeah but if you ever need to off-road (which if you do adventure runs you will need to) manual just allows you to have way more control over your bike. I would much prefer if they put a quickshift for manual models.

@matthutson880

3 күн бұрын

@@nogerboher5266 I did the CO and WY BDRs no issues. Just put in manual mode. I had a lot of similar thoughts til I rode one. I ride it off road regularly. There’s a learning curve just like on any bike, but there’s no loss of control you can hold gears, go to neutral or use a controlled amount of rear brake under power to get the same effect of feathering the clutch. I would also make the point that using the paddle shifter in manual is fast and can be easier on difficult terrain. I’m not saying it’s better, just different and as with all bikes the rider is the limiting factor.

I think this would be nice in city street light to street light traffic. I get annoyed at constantly running up and down the gears every block

@spitescorner

26 күн бұрын

It's PERFECT for that

@Hihellohihellogoodbye

26 күн бұрын

You can put it into sport, it'll hold the gears longer

@garrettbrown3126

26 күн бұрын

As silly as it sounds, high power sport bikes are nice for street light to light traffic too, never have to leave first 😂

@Jeffyinthehills

26 күн бұрын

Running through the gears as part of the fun

@molino121

25 күн бұрын

Get a fucking moped? 🙄

I have a 2017 AT (DCT)….The way to get the most out of it in the twisties is to have it in “sport 111” but use the paddle shifters to override the computer… It’s simple really… works a treat and I have no problem keeping up with my mates… cheers Dude..

I have 2 DCT. 2021 goldwing tour. 2023 rebel 1100. Greatest thing ever. It's so convenient and fun. And these bikes absolutely fly. I mean RIP, The young man in me raced Corvette, Maserati, Camaro and smoked them all. The goldwing is a rocket ship. Especially in sport mode. I mean full 125 hp non stop pulling. I will never go back to a regular clutch bike. Ps, I ride about 40,000 miles a year.

In my NC750, if I engage the DCT sport mode by holding down the drive button, the transmission holds revs much better and does downshift at the right times automatically. I found sport mode 2 to be perfect for aggressive canyon riding. Sport mode 3 would never go into 6th which I found a bit more aggressive than I needed.

@bmp72

26 күн бұрын

agree, I think Spike was in normal D mode in the twisties at the 11 minute mark.

@BLUECIVIC07

24 күн бұрын

On my nc750, I have P 4 EB 2 Trac 2 dct 4. I found it great for twisty roads. When I watch reviews on Honda dct and when reviewer carry on that it doesn’t engine brake or shift to early its a little disappointing because it’s a great system if you know how to set it up.

@TacticalHamsterDance

24 күн бұрын

I had a similar problem on slow turns in S2 and to an extent, S3 as well. On an AT. It would hold 2nd gear even when it was clear it's not going to work, and then downshift while I was already leaning. If I had a manual and made a similar error, I'd let the clutch slip a bit instead but DCT doesn't like that.

I love the convenience of my 2019 Honda NC750X DCT. On twisty mountain roads I take over the decision making and shift with the pushbuttons so I get engine braking before corners instead of unwanted downshifts in the middle of corners. Sport 3 comes pretty close to what I want in the mountains though. In city traffic I’ll punch the downshift button for engine braking or positioning in traffic but mostly let the machine save energy with its early shifting in drive mode. I get about 75 mpg (US gallons) that way. Have taken one long tour and will do more. I would definitely get another DCT bike if it was the right one but I also ride a Harley Dyna Lowrider so I’m not adverse to shifting and don’t absolutely require the convenience. Just nice to have.

Looking good Spite! Can definitely see you’ve lost a substantial amount of weight. Much cheaper than shedding weight from your bike and healthier to boot.

For my "fun" bike on the road, I'd opt for a traditional manual, but for commuting to work in stop and go traffic I would LOVE a DCT. That NC750X is amazing for that. I actually enjoyed the DCT in the twisties, I didn't have to worry about what gear, shifting in a turn, feathering the clutch... it was weird to get used to though, but ultimately this removes a big barrier of entry into motorcycling for some. And if it's not for you, that's fine, at least we got options! The only thing I hate about DCT is it causes all these gatekeeping types to come out and say it's not a real bike, or you're not a real motorcyclist if you don't learn how to shift, or shifting is the real experience, blah blah blah. I say we need the innovation to keep motorcycling relevant and attract new riders, or our kind will get fewer and fewer. More options is just better for everyone, so don't hate on anyone who likes something different. Props to Honda for continuing to provide innovation and options to us! Great video Spite.

@ctrlaltowned5223

26 күн бұрын

Hey, I know you! 👀

@firefighter1c57

26 күн бұрын

20 years ago, Ridley made an Automatic transmission motorcycle in Oklahoma. Called it the auto glide. Harley sued them out of business...

@Smallbore2wheels

26 күн бұрын

I think about automatic transmissions every time I drive the fiesta st to the office lol Houston traffic is a nightmare

I’m on my second DCT bike, a Rebel 1100, it rips and although I enjoyed clutching and shifting bikes in the past I now prefer to not, it’s The Good Life especially now that my hand and wrist can not tolerate even a moderately heavy clutch pull. I did look into the Africa Twin but the Rebel ergonomics are closer to my liking even though they are bizarre but I’m working on that.

@joshlambert1247

26 күн бұрын

I put 3 inch risers on my 1100T DCT, made a huge difference in ergonomics for me. I love the DCT as well. Small learning curve, as you mentioned, but such a payoff longterm.

@doughoffman9463

26 күн бұрын

Many new bikes have "slipper assist" clutches which also have weaker clutch springs and so a noticeably lighter clutch lever pull. Much easier on the left hand and wrist.

@greatbigeye2506

26 күн бұрын

@@joshlambert1247 I installed Rox 4”, helps a ton. Also got a Corbin seat. Next is forward foot controls or lowing the pegs an inch. Waiting on Madstad’s windshield.

@greatbigeye2506

26 күн бұрын

@@doughoffman9463 Yes it definitely helps. I think I’m full auto for life now though.

@Neketre

25 күн бұрын

Taller seat helps, I put on a Mustang seat and two gel pads on mine to give it 3-or-so inch lift over stock, and it feels way better. Risers seem to help, but it's a more involved process.

Looking to start on the NC750X DCT. Guy at the dealer calls it an "old man's bike" or a "glorified scooter". I don't care, for people who want a more casual experience or have some mobility issues in their left hand or foot - DCT is amazing. To each their own, DCTs make a ton of sense for a huge market.

@AyaWetts

25 күн бұрын

A lot of people aren't very smart... they get some kind of identity out of being able to pull and push levers. Just smile and nod, and do what you want.

@pieterrossouw8596

25 күн бұрын

@@AyaWetts yeah I just categorise it with guys who call it pointless to start on anything smaller than 1000cc. No point arguing, just do what makes sense to you.

@captainjim605

22 күн бұрын

I would be looking for another dealer; someplace that understands what advantages technology can bring to the riding experience. Realistically, I don't find anything casual about riding my DCT equipped bike - it is every bit *involved* as any of the many manual transmission equipped bikes I've owned over the years. The NC750X DCT is a nice bike. Before getting that bike, I'd suggest you take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation new rider course - you will learn a lot about how to handle a bike and be safer as you start this riding journey.

@multi21racing

19 күн бұрын

@@captainjim605 I'D second that. A dealer with that attitude doesn't really care in general and probably more specifically about this bike and doesn't even care about potentially insulting his customer. Don't give people iike that money.

I didn't hear you mention the various modes of the DCT. There are sport modes (plural) for getting down in the twisties.

Why do guys who have never ridden a DCT do reviews- I have had 2 Goldwings with DCT’s have ridden everything from small dirt bikes to Harley’s and the DCT is so great on highways including twisties- you can override the auto scenario and down shift - up shift whenever you want or put it into full manual and you paddle shift at will - no different than what quickshifters are trying to accomplish. The only scenario I have no idea about the DCT’s application is on aggressive dirt riding, no clutch to slip in those certain situations. As well it does add weight which on a gravel road ok but not desirable on single track. The DCT is the future for most applications no doubt- unless you are set in your ways and want a manual transmission- clutch

@ChadWinters

24 күн бұрын

Highways is where DCT (never having ridden one) seems less useful as you rarely downshift

@connor3288

23 күн бұрын

Well now they have the Honda E Clutch in Europe, that will be something to watch. Only available on the 650's at the moment i believe though. Basically an auto clutch and quickshifter, many benefits of dct but you still use foot shifter

@cubeover

5 күн бұрын

@@connor3288 that thing should judder the bike and make yours and pillion's helmets clank, like the "real thing" . Nah

You can bolt on a shift lever and use it in manual or automatic to override the current gear. Some people are also putting a "hand operated" rear brake where the clutch lever usually sits

I've had my my DCT Goldwing for a year and the only thing I miss about a manual transmission is extending the fingers of my left hand and resting them on the clutch lever while stopped at a red light. I rode my bike on the Tail of the Dragon and had no issues with the DCT. My Dragon run was fine and I had no problems at all.

It's brilliant, I have a 2016 w/DCT. And yes I ride is in heavy off-road, I'm not racing supercross or hard enduro. Lived in downtown Dallas not tap dancing the shifter was nice in traffic, have ridden it over 1000 miles in a day several times, again beauty, and now dual sporting in Michigan's Upper Peninsula perfect (okay I don't hit swamps in the spring melt or go ice racing). My other bikes (6) have manuals their great also. But, I've been riding over 50 years and its perfectly engineered for the new day and wracking up miles

S1 or S2 is the way to go. Let the bike do its thing. 20000kms on mine.

I already had a Quad Lock since your days at Yammie Noob. But if that wasn't the case, your add placement would've sold me. Bravo!

@spitescorner

26 күн бұрын

I'm glad someone got a kick out of that.

I have DCT in both a gold wing and AT. I love it. I also have many bikes without DCT. My preference is to use the sport 2 mode, manually down shift into corners to get the level of engine braking I want, and let the computer upshift. A very comfortable way to ride. When it is time to get sporty, or anything technical, just use manual mode.

Africa Wing, Gold Twin, etc. I like ‘em all

I have a 2023 Goldwing DCT and I absolutely love it. Best bike I have own, and I’ve owned a lot of bikes over the 25 yrs I’ve been riding.

Always good to see you Brother. Have a Great Day Everyone!

I’m not sure you’re in the right mode because if you were there’s absolutely no way a manual can even come close to keeping up with the DCT. Watch some drag race videos and you’ll see. The Goldwing DCT runs off and leaves the manual in a drag race with both in sport mode! It’s like you didn’t even research the bike before getting on it. Engine braking is adjustable.

@multi21racing

19 күн бұрын

To be fair, it's still a legit review, because not everybody wants to get nerdy about these things... or is capable of getting nerdy. So this is probably the experience these persons will have.

There's 4 different engine brake settings should probably try a more aggressive setting

I love my DCT Africa Twin. Took it all the way from Atlanta to Austin and never had any issues hitting levy roads along the way.

0:07 I was only watching out of the corner of my eye. I swore it looked like he just picked that bike up with one arm.

@spitescorner

26 күн бұрын

I wish I was that strong.

@captainjim605

22 күн бұрын

I saw that, too... some of these KZread folks like to squat down by the bike to use it as a background. Thanks for the laugh!

i support anything to get more people on 2 wheels!

I think if you had a DCT for a year of riding you would find more benefits and shifting style changes, it is a whole new style of riding so it's unfamiliar as a regular clutch is to a new rider. Over time you would maximize the benefits of it and might be surprised at how much better it actually might be.

@jimgordon3468

25 күн бұрын

I agree. The DCT is perfect.

I’ve got an Africa Twin DTC (in Repsol colours 🧡) I’ve had it for almost ten months. Early spring I went for a random solo adventure around Europe wild camping sleeping by my Africa twin in the woods under a tarp. Found myself having to pick it up a few times in wet mud and gravel. But that’s what crash frames on these types of bikes are for. It’s a big adventure bike, and requires a big adventure. If everything goes to plan, it’s not an adventure! That’s why I bought mine…. Plus I havnt got a left leg to change gears the traditional way 😂👍🏻 People I know who have this bike ride I automatic, I don’t. I like to control the revs with manual mode and know when I’m changing gears, especially when I’m off road going up and down hill on the thing. Even automatic sport mode…. I don’t bother. I’m just wheely happy to finally be riding again! 😁 Great bike all round! My only problem’ish with DCT is the extra weight. About 25kg I believe. But there’s a solution to that, hit the gym and it feels a lot lighter 😂 At the end of the day, whatever way shape or form, always keep riding! 😉👍🏻

My wife has a Rebel 1100 DCT and loves it, I live in Victoria Texas so if you ever want to try it out let me know. The Rebel and Goldwing DCT make perfect sense as you said for just cruising around. Out of the box the Africa Twin DCT seems a bit.. misplaced maybe? Now I don't ride dirt yet, but it seems like the big possible advantage of an off-road capable DCT is that you could relatively easily move the rear brake control to the left handlebar, which would allow you to freely pivot with either foot whenever you wanted while keeping controls available, and THAT would seem to be a big advantage.

Another type of automatic clutch systems are the recluse ones that differ from a DCT and are more like an eclutch. Huskvarna offers these as an example.

I've only used the DCT on a short test ride. I didn't think I'd like it but I was wrong. In the twisties I would just switch to manual mode and shift using the paddle shifters to keep it from changing gears mid corner.

Great review Spite! As someone with a partially paralyzed left leg the DCT on the Africa Twin was a God send and got me into riding. I know have to normal sport bikes that I've fitted with adaptive electronic foot shifters but if it wasn't for the DCT I never would have gotten started! Mine is a 2022 with the 21" Front wheel but I think your review was spot on. Only niggle I have is that the electronic suspensions setup and adjustability for on/off road is incredible on the machine and such a big selling point I've seen a few reviewers skip on. Overall the 2020-2023 AFAS are the best versions of this machine.

Completely different transmission type (CVT) on my 03 Silverwing (600 cc twin), but the only reason for this comment is that sometimes, a twist and go bike can make for a very nice ride (I have 2 Honda ST1100s which are regular manual bikes, so it’s nice to switch off between the 3 bikes). I call the Silverwing the 2 wheeled office chair. Very nice for a long cruise.

I’ve had an Africa Twin DCT since 2018 and while I sometimes would like to have a manual having the DCT has saved my bacon a few times.

I think its awesome this option exists. The E-Clutch sounds like the next step in quickshifter technology. I would definitely get it if presented with that option.

Thanks for the Honda Goldwing review!

Would be stoked when the Honda e-clutch system got into your hand. I'd love to see you do a video of that :D. People who's already tried it said it's very similar to DCT with the upside of being hell lot cheaper

I have a 20 Africa Twin Adventure Sports manual transmission with a quick shifter and it is a ton of fun.

I like it so much that I am on my 3rd one. Perfect bike. Mine (2018) really only lacks cruise control for my needs. I mostly commute and tour. I've chased and kept up with many a sportsbike through the canyons in So Cal. Done multiple Iron Butts, and I daily my bike.

I own an NC 750 DCT for a couple of years. Nobody seems to know that there is an accessory to add a foot lever for shifting. For me that lever, even if its still electronic makes all the difference. In the city i go full DCT and when want a more sportier ride i go full manual shifting with my foot. Man i love that option. I think the AT also have the foot lever accessory and i don't understan why honda does not advertising it more. It was real diffucult for me to find a shop to buy it. And it is an original Honda part!. You can install it yourself in half an hour.

@kenlindsey5196

26 күн бұрын

There is also the foot shifter option for the AT.

I love my AT ES dct. I have not had any trouble going between my Ducati Supersport and the AT. I'm generally in urban mode when I commute into downtown Austin. There are a lot of controls vs most other motorcycles and so there is a long time learning curve to know everything. Note: DCT is really nice when I have to deal with traffic. BTW you can full adjust engine breaking or any other setting for the engine and suspension while on the go.

Put it in manual and shift with paddle just as u would with foot shifter... when in twisties.

I have an ATAS 2018 DCT. Tend to run it in Sport 2 mode, Urban setting. Touring mode gives the most power. You can adjust the engine braking. I scrape pegs on mine from time to time, thats about 50 degree lean…Its also quite able offroad, it has an amazing ability to pick the right gesr, and you cant stall it…

I have the european cousin of the AT, the NT1100 in DCT. Originally ordered a manual but Honda isn't producing enough manuals and the wait list was going to be over a year. Ended up getting a DCT model instead. It took a while for the gearbox to learn especially considering we have a lot of twists and turns here and it was always in too high of a gear. Eventually it learnt to hold gears now. I Still need to give it the odd manual downshift to override it but I don't mind it. In all, I really like it and it makes touring much easier, letting you focus on the unknown roads ahead rather than whether you're in the right gear or not. No surprise hill is going to cause you to stall or tip over.

Think of dct as an electrically shifted manual. There is an electric motor mounted to the left side of the engine. The same basic setup used on modern 4x4 transfer cases. I rarely use the manual mode, but can always downshift when I feel the need. No more throttle blipping and clutch feathering on takeoff from a traffic light. While others are engaging their clutches i am leaving the other side of the intersection. Best part is excellent fuel economy in the D setting.

Just sold my bike with a quickshifter for one without. Don't miss it one little bit. DCT sounds interesting I wondered if the mode you were in had not much engine brake in it?

I had a DCT Honda Rebel 1100 for a bit. I feel like it definitely shifted too much trying to be more economical in fuel economy, etc. Definitely a cruising vibe. And you are right about riding it in other situations.

@connor3288

23 күн бұрын

Did you try the differnt modes?

There's definitely a place for the DCT's just not at my place...when i was looking for my 2023 rebel 1100 finding a manual took some time...but the DCT is awesome for those with physical limitations &/or for someone just wanting to get out & cruise especially if it involves traffic....but for me personally i prefer the manual transmission.

I like your take on this Spite. I also see why you have a Mazdaspeed3 instead of a GTI.

Hey Spite, just dropping a comment to tell you that you were the main reason I bought my 2023 Sportster S, 2022 1290 Superduke R EVO(I totalled her 😢) 2023 Z H2 SE, and soon to be 690 enduro R. Big fan brother, from a 5’4 asian guy

@spitescorner

24 күн бұрын

That's a heck of lineup! Enjoy the Enduro R. I love mine despite how silly it is.

How do you setup your bell? I have that exact same helmet. Love it, but I imagine you had to tape the vents off to get clean audio?

I think DCT is a great thing! Also prefer to shift myself like I prefer a manual car over an automatic. But it's definitely an awesome thing to get people on two wheels who encounter trouble with shifting.

I love my wife's nc750x dct for commuting. Stop and go traffic, it's great. You can't stall it. Plus i love the parking brake for warming the engine parked on a slope

Seems you are overthinking the brilliant DCT system. Just put it into Sport3 if You wanna Go full blast. Relax & enjoy the ride… The Power Of Dreams ❤

Spite perspective is always fresh... if I'm not mistaken, the engine break can be customised from the rider, there are some settings that you need to change. I'd love to have one ATAS like the one you ride!!!! 😊

@spitescorner

26 күн бұрын

You can adjust engine breaking but you can't adjust when the computer decides to downshift.

@firefighter1c57

26 күн бұрын

​@spitescorner adjusting engine breaking sounds like a KTM thing, I think the Honda adjust engine braking. 😂

Only reason someone would hate on the DCT is that they don't understand how it gives accessability to other riders, who in my case can't feel the shifter. I have a 23' Rebel 1100 DCT and love it. 😊

I’d love if more bikes had options like this. BMW is coming out with their version of an “automatic” bike. I think it’s cool to have the option. It’s currently not an option for majority of manufacturers

@spitescorner

26 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's one thing I'll give Honda. They're still adding cool tech to their bikes to give people options.

2022 Adventure Sport DCT......LOVE IT!

I have a Rebel 1100 DCT. My commute to work has a couple of slow speed tight turns (practically, U-turns). The DCT sometimes shifts mid turn and it's very unsettling. Honda should have a steering angle sensor on the frame's steering stem to prevent up-shifting after a certain angle (not lean angle) and less than a certain speed. i.e. >±30°@

I had a Honda Talon UTV for a while, which utilizes the AT DTC trans / motor. HATED it. But, admittedly that might have been more related to the suspension being really stiff, and the traditional cable operated throttle. bouncing around on the trail caused the buggy to be real choppy, jerky, and gross. DCT searching for gears in automatic mode made it miserable. Can find used DCT ATs in my area EVERYWHERE. Was pretty telling IMO. Glad you did the ride Spite! I still think the base '16-19 AT w/ a built suspension would be a hard bike to beat--even today, but my Vstrom 800de is good'nuff! Go ride a Vstrom and tell me what you think Spite!

Thanks for the video! This is great engineering that makes some happy and some traditionalists less welcoming. It seems the overall reception was positive, since other manufacturers are following Honda's path. I just all manufacturers will be able to make it smaller and lighter.

Regardless of what mode your in you can paddle down or upshift on the fly.

Love my DCT Goldwing especially because most of my miles are in Chicago traffic

@davidbrayshaw3529

26 күн бұрын

I'm envious. You're riding my dream bike.

While I much prefer 6MTs, I can see DCTs are nice for very long rides. I'm glad you got ride in Norther California.

I like using a clutch and changing gears with my foot- if I want a boring drive I’ll jump in my automatic ute- pickup if you prefer

I have 70,000 km on my 2020 AT DCT. Always ride in Sport3. To engage Sport Mode just tap Transmission Switch once you are in D. The DCT shifts on que in Sport mode. In Drive mode it is a dog and upshifts at too low rpm… feels like you are lugging. You can easily program features like Engine Brake, Traction Control, Wheelie Control to suit your rider preferences.. Also you can override up shift AND downshifts by using the Paddle Shifters. You suggested you prefer a Quick Shifter… well you can “Quickshift” anytime with the paddles… no need to “blip” the Throttle. May I suggest read the Owners Manual before you offer a review

I have honda rebel 2022 dct, it's super awesome! like actually I've tested africa twin because at the time rebel wasn't available for few months to test (and I had to order one year in advance) and it's been best motocycle that I've ridden (the africa twin, rebel is pretty much as good for me)

0:45 Personally, I'd describe a DCT as more like a manual transmission that's being operated by a computer. The computer operates the clutch, the shift switch on the handlebar sends a signal to that computer which them does the actual shifting...possibly even shifts according to its own internal algorithm if there's a fully "automatic" mode. But internally, it still has meshed gears sets and a clutch, not a torque converter and epicyclic gears like a traditional automatic trans.

@spitescorner

26 күн бұрын

Yeah that's not a bad way to describe it.

@neblolthecarnerd

26 күн бұрын

Makes sense given that (at least i think) the overleaf car term for gearboxes like dcts is automated manual

DCT’s in car speak is usually a love then or hate them experience. Unless they have been dialled in to also suit low speed conditions. In general, they provide the best experience when being pushed as the gear changes tend to be crisper than say a benchmarked automatic transmission like the ZF 8 speed used by several manufacturers around the globe. The DCT does make more sense on two wheels and Honda have finally got it just about perfect.

I dont even use the quickshifter I had. For me, part of the joys of riding is the manual transmission. Nothing against people who enjoy the DCT though.

I rode AT with DCT and did have the same problem with it. As I was going to a turn, it would regularly be in too high of a gear and low RPM. Now if this happened with a manual, I'd put a lower gear before the turn or ride the clutch a bit until I start accelerating from the turn. DCT does not do either, instead option to put lower gear when you're already leaning, upsetting the bike and also changing the power of the engine due to different RPMs. Even in S2 it was not exactly eager to downshift, especially to 1st. Now maybe I shouldn't have taken it to a really technical road (

I have heard others "complain" that the dct bikes tend to shift in the middle of corners, going up and down steep hills, and just all around odd times when you would prefer to hold a gear.

@Kelly-oq9nh

26 күн бұрын

Easy cure. Put it in manual and paddle shift.

Are you going to put a front ski on & snow track on anything this winter!?😮

There’s a lid for every pot. I wouldn’t buy one right now. All I want are bi directional quickshifters. But that doesn’t mean that later in life I wouldn’t consider a DCT. Options aren’t a bad thing.

The main benefit of a dct is when someone who has arthritis or has lost a limb and maybe can not afford a prosthetic limb... they can still go out and ride. Or someone who struggles to understand or can not physically get the rhythms of standard shifting a bike. That is where I think the true value of the dct lies.

Only thing I don't like about DCT (aside that I enjoy shifting gears, blipping/rev matching, etc., otherwise I may as well ride a large cc scooter), is that DCT is horrid at slow speed maneuvering, and they have a reputation of burning out the clutch if you practice a lot of slow speed exercises.

@Skiamakhos

26 күн бұрын

Back brake makes the clutch disengage in slow speed manœuvers, see Bret Tkacs' video on it.

@timlubbers2884

26 күн бұрын

Yup, my dct AT ran 78,000 miles when I sold it and there was absolutely no problems…

@davidburns585

26 күн бұрын

Not many scooters can go 0-60 in under 5 seconds.

@AyaWetts

25 күн бұрын

You have to learn how to do it... its only "horrid" as much as anyone thinks anything they don't know how to do is hard. I find it quite easy after a bit of practice. The clutch doesn't burn out easy... it does burn out when people like that one instructor used it for weeks on end for hours upon hours every day on a very heavy Goldwing. I've done many hours of slow speed practice on my Rebel with no issues, I just don't do it non stop for 6 hours straight... and ignore temp warning lights... people can burn out manual control clutches like that too.

What bothers me most is the complexity. What are the long term maintenance costs? Will parts still be available 10+ years down the road? I can't imagine working on this transition because I can hardly grasp what all the components are supposed to do.

Ok Spite. I bought the DCT to get around my physical limitations/disability. (100+% service connected)

I have a Rebel 1100 DCT. One thing I don't like about it is how jerky the throttle can be at low speeds. It's either closed, or trying to haul ass. Is the Africa Twin kinda the same? Wondering if it's a DCT thing, or just their tuning of the engine. Also, for the DCT being a thing in general, I think it's great for people who can't/don't want to have to manually shift. I've seen a few people get the Rebel 1100 because they have injuries or disabilities that would stop them from being able to easily ride a traditional bike. It's good to have as an option for people who want it. The E-Clutch is definitely gonna be interesting. I wanna test ride a bike that has it. I'm currently selling my bike so that I can get a manual bike and get that engagement from manually shifting again.

DCT and manual require two different riding styles/inputs to make the bikes react the same way. One can not learn to make a DCT react like a manual in an hour or a day while on a test ride for the first time. I have no trouble with trail or engine braking twistys on my 2018 AT AS DCT. Embrace the difference, it's what makes having a manual and a DCT transmission in the garage a blast.

I enjoyed the DCT on my 2020 Africa Twin. Only used the manual mode to test it out. As long as you're not in the "D" mode it works just like you want. Do I miss the DCT since trading it in my AT for an Aprilia Tuareg? Only when I sheared off the shift lever on the Tuareg while riding the Arizona BDR. The paddle shifters work great for engine braking.

@spitescorner

26 күн бұрын

They do as long as you're in full manual. I find that even in sport three they won't let the bike engine brake like I normally like to. I use engine breaking and the front brake at the same time.

@brobin66

26 күн бұрын

There are multiple engine braking modes you can set… not sure if you tried them all to find the level you like. This bike isn’t friendly to a test ride unless you spend a lot of time in the manual..if you own one you have time to figure out all the settings and what you like.

@jetsen0

26 күн бұрын

@@spitescorner maybe I'm more, as you called it, "dad mode" with my riding. haha. Keep up the good work.

I see DCT working for proper applications. Every day bikes like the NC750, Rebel 1100, and Goldwing are fine and would probably be nice (TBH, I've not tried it yet). But the Africa Twin? I intend to use mine in the dirt and have one of the apparently rare '22 non-DCT Adventure Sports, and I find the clutch to be a critical traction aid when off-roading. With that being said, I've heard that the traction control is good enough to set it where you want and pin the throttle and the bike will make it happen. Full disclosure: I'm not a fan of automatic transmissions in cars, either.

I rented an Africa Twin DCT before i bought my manual ATAS. The biggest thing i did not like was the added weight and where it carried that weight. It felt a lot more top heavy than the regular Africa Twin and i did not like it.

Would love Spike’s opinion on a BV400, with CVT

Absolutely love my africa twin dct but i am thinking of selling it because of the wind noise. I always wear plugs and have a shoei rf1400 helmet. I ride with the winsdcreen off. That seems to be the quitest I have found. Please give suggestions on setups if you have them. Mind bendingly loud even with plugs which makes me think something else is going on.

DCT… You have to love technology. This is one of the greatest technological advancement in this line of transportation. Whether is a motorcycle or an ATV or a SXS. I am a late boomer in the motorcycle field and I was looking for one to commute and I got lucky I found the NC750X. By far the best 2 wheel commuter in the whole planet! Thank you Honda!

My nearest Honda dealer didn't have a Rebel 1100 to test without DCT, because 87% of these bikes bought in 2023 where DCT's... so I guess Honda have a marked for them here in Belgium.

Interesting, but not for me, then I don't like automatics in cars either. I'm 61, been riding since I was a kid. I like changing gears, blipping the throttle on an aggressive down change, I won't even have a quick shifter on my bike. I only have one modern bike, a 2022 Pan Am, the army green version, and my other bike is an 1988 Low Rider Sport, hotted up these days and with a sidecar most of the time, I still love to ride it because it is very raw, no ABS or TCS. I love the Pan Am, I use it as a sports tourer and commuter in the city, I have taken it off road, but it is a bit heavy for off road.

IDK if it was the odd camera on a stick angles but you looked particularly 'strained' or awkward in those twisty corners. Further, I think you need to play more with the various modes as I think you may have been in one that didn't match with you. The big is infinitely variable in its ability to adapt to a rider. You just need more time with the DCT and its modes. Are you usually a sports bike rider by default?

Love my Africa Twin DCT. If you have arthritis, this bike will save your riding career. Stop n go traffic in California literally made me get this bike. Just have to adjust, the sport mode, engine brake and power mode to your riding style. I think Spite didn't have enough time riding in all the modes to really give it a accurate rating. Still love the review though, keep it up.

I think it takes some time get used to DCT. When used to it, it is probably pretty good. I tried a Honda with DCT last year, decided to go for manual again, but next bike might be equipped with DCT, e-clucth or similar. I'm getting old. Wrists are not strong anymore.

Bro all phones are basically waterproof now. I've soaked my s20 plenty of times on a ram mount

Rode a NC750 with DTC...excellent for commuting

I love the DCT... have many many miles on my Rebel 1100 DCT, but I don't like automatic mode really... I only ride in manual mode.

I would love to try a DCT bike to decide if I want one or not. Seems like a better deal for freeway cruisers and stop and go traffic.

@captainjim605

22 күн бұрын

My DCT equipped bike is a blast in the twisties - honestly, where I think DCT is at its best... with using the downshift paddle as necessary. Based on 56 years of riding, I find the DCT is a step up from a manual transmission.

Hey! That's @Adventure Daily in the background. Yall should collaborate.