Hey everyone! I realized during editing that Arrow wasn’t the first to attempt and fail at building a suspended coaster; a German aircraft manufacturer named Messerschmitt did so when they built Alpenflug for the 1975 Oktoberfest fair in Munich. Why Arrow didn’t bank the turns on The Bat after the failure of Alpenflug is beyond me. Check out the reddit link below for a photo. www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasters/comments/24t8yh/alpenflug_the_first_modern_suspended_rollercoaster/

@MickanMansRCTStation

2 жыл бұрын

This too has always baffled me, even from a common sense standpoint and without the knowledge of Alpenflug. I don't understand how they wouldn't have thought banking was essential. I guess on regular coasters banking was introduced to reduce lateral g's, but they figured the 'swinging' of the cars would turn lateral gs into vertical gs, and thus not requiring banking. But surely someone at Arrow at the prototyping would have thought 'heck, that might be a bit much for the structure'.

@megelizabeth9492

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, this might be a case of independent origination. There's a good chance Arrow may not have been aware (or only vaguely aware) of that coaster, since it only operated for a few months at most, before closing.

@waveiscursed

Жыл бұрын

actually there was one in 1902

Babe wake up, new coaster history video just dropped

It's weird to see a video with production quality this high end off by mentioning you're nearing the 1k subscriber milestone. It feels like you should have 100 times the number of subs that you do.

In the 1980's it seemed like a lot of small traditional amusement parks closed for good such as Mountain Park in Massachusetts (1987), Paragon Park in MA (1984), Lincoln Park in MA (1987), Pontchartrain Beach in Louisiana (1983), Idora Park in Ohio (1984), Rocky Glen Park in Pennsylvania (1987), and Lakeside Park in Virginia (1986)

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Very good point that I failed to mention - I'll try to make a note of it in Episode 5!

Great series. What’s shocking is just how quickly they come and go. Having ridden some now defunct rides, I never appreciated their rarity in the moment

i REALLY need a coaster wars video now!

I rode the Olympia looping (Munich looping) coaster when it came to London for Hyde Park winter wonderland. Best steel coaster I’ve ever ridden.

Such a shame you only have 850 subs, your content is very well done and covers things many don't cover

Great video like all the others you've made. Well explained and well documented. I can't wait for the next part. I hope you'll soon beat this 1k subs mark. You honestly deserve several hundreds of thousands subscribers. When I see the quality of your video you really deserve it! Keep up the good work ;)

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Really appreciate the positive feedback

Thank you for your service!

RIP Momonga looping coaster

My local home park here in Germany has "Nessie", which is a Schwarzkopf loop from 1980 and was the first one set up outside the US. Until they gave it a retheme and new station recently it was rather obvious that they weren't used to permanent installations.

I really hope this channel blows up in the near future cause this is content of amazing quality!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! :)

Actually, Carolina Cyclone at Carowinds was the first Roller Coaster to have four inversions. Demon at both Great America parks first opened in 1976 as Turn of the Century and had two airtime hills. The loops were added in 1980.

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I wasn’t sure which coaster to name there, as Carolina Cyclone opened in 1980 along with the new and improved Demon. A book I have cited Demon as the first 4 inversion coaster so I went with that, but it’s close, probably comes down to the opening date. Edit: Thanks for the support btw! Appreciate the sub

It might be worth noting that Mack rides usually debut at Europa Park since that park is owned by the Mack-family and kinda serves as their testing grounds/demo space.

The original 1976 Texas Cyclone trains were bouncy 4 bench PTCs with buzz bars. The 3rd hill faced the midway offering a Benny Hill style peep show to all below. Tube tops were also popular back then. 😂

I've been waiting for this. I don't think I'd call this a "correction," but when Disneyland opened, while it did charge a park admission, it still used a per-ride ticketing system, originally with A-, B-, and C-tickets (and later adding D- and the famous E-ticket as more complex and thrilling rides were added). These were only phased out completely in the early 1980s.

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Ah good catch! I definitely didn’t word that sentence correctly, thanks for the comment

@phoenixshade3

2 жыл бұрын

@@JNattyBoi Well, it's an ambitious project, and necessarily some details have to be omitted just for time constraints. I get it. I love this series so far and I'm looking forward to the next part. Cool that you mentioned the first Schwarzkopf shuttle loop. I'm fortunate enough that KD was my home park growing up, and rode this MANY times while it was there, as well as at its next location under the same name at Jolly Roger in Ocean City, Maryland. From there it went on to Alton Towers as Thunderlooper before finally landing at Hopi Hari. One of these days I'll get there just to ride that little piece of nostalgia again. I say all this because so many coasters that are significant to the history of the industry have long histories of their own.

@filanfyretracker

Жыл бұрын

wait is that where the phrase "E-Ticket" comes from?

@phoenixshade3

Жыл бұрын

@@filanfyretracker Yup.

Just watched all four of these back to back (slow day at the office). You definately are getting a sub from me. What a fantastic mini series this was.

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the series and appreciate the support :)

Great video! Thanks. I look forward to the next installment.

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks so much!

Another one you knocked out of the park. I don't know all that much about coasters, I've only recently become interested in their history. I had heard of Anton Schwarzkopf, but I had underestimated his importance. I thought the internet was hyping him up. To know that he, alone, essentially competed with an entire company and reinvigorated the vertical loop is crazy. All new entertainment needs is one man just crazy enough to try something out-there. This video just makes me miss Arrow Dynamics. Speaking of, this video is quite a big step forward. I appreciate the intertitles and the separate sections. The mentioning of Schwarzkopf really harkens back to the earlier videos, where parks and single or double designers worked together to make a coaster, instead of the modern system of manufacturing firms selling models that can be customized. I also appreciate the use of Spongebob's shoe-squeaking sound, as well as your little funny snippets in the corners. Comedy gold. One minor tidbit: Dahlonega is a place in Georgia, pronounced Da-LON-ih-ga. Also, Wiener would be pronounced vee-EN-er. It's the German word for Viennese, since the German word for Vienna is Wien. I tried to find out if "Wiener Prater" meant "Viennese Park" or "Park of Vienna", but it seems prater does not mean park. A shame. You are doing everything right. This is excellent content that loads of people would love to see. Just keep making it, and the subs will come. Thank you for this video. I'm already excited for the next episode. It's gonna be nuts. Record after record. Keep up the excellent work!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Hylian Batman! Thanks so much for the comment, really glad you liked the video. I was 1000% sure I mispronounced Wiener Prater (and just didn’t want to re-record the audio), but I didn’t know about Dahlonega! If only all languages were like Japanese with easy to pronounce words. Making this video also made me miss Arrow. It’s amazing how far they were willing to push the technology at the time (even if that eventually led to their downfall).

@TheHylianBatman

2 жыл бұрын

@@JNattyBoi Agreed! I don't know much about Japanese, either, but everyone I've ever spoken with about it seems to like it and think highly of it. I'll learn it someday. The only reason I know about Dahlonega is because I knew someone from there. Dahlonega was the site of the first gold rush in the United States (perhaps that's why the ride was themed to gold mining), and I'm from California, where the most famous gold rush happened, so he and I would get into mock arguments about it. I think the thing I miss the most about Arrow is their history and prestige within the industry. Your video on the RollerCoaster Tycoon rides, and my subsequent play of the third game, made me fall in love with the Virginia Reel. I was looking it up on KZread, just to see if I could get any hint of the ride experience, and I found test footage of a prototype Arrow made in the 80's. They sent the footage to a park in an attempt to demo and sell the ride, and that fell through, but the park kept the footage, so it's on KZread now. No either company would be crazy enough to try to modernize a Virginia Reel. Only Arrow. It feels as though a giant in the industry has fallen. I can only wait for that part in your series to punch us all in the gut. Arrow's been here since at least Episode 2 and I think maybe even Episode 1. I can't quite remember the dates. It'll hurt when you say something like "Despite their legendary status in the industry, Arrow Dynamics was facing hard times, and, on Shmebruary Bleventeenth, 20XX, they finally closed their doors for good". I think I underestimated the amount of drama in the history here.

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHylianBatman oh wow, I had no idea the first American gold rush happened in Georgia! Definitely makes the theme of the ride that much better. You’re definitely right about Arrow. They toyed with so many coaster concepts and took a ton of risks trying to revive old rides - I believe they also had a Flying Turns prototype to go along with their Virginia Reel. The next video will be pretty sad for Arrow fans, although S&S did kind of carry on Arrow’s work in a way, so it wont be all tears (hopefully). Thanks again for the comments!

@TheHylianBatman

2 жыл бұрын

@@JNattyBoi Sad or not, I still can't wait! They were still here even if they're gone now, and all we can do is all we could do then: enjoy their coasters! I'll have to look into that Flying Turns. You're welcome! Thank you for the videos!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHylianBatman very true. And of course! I think this is where I heard of the Arrow flying turns: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o36n1rSinra8h7g.html - the Roller Coaster Museum has been unearthing a lot of footage of these old Arrows

Absolutely love these videos and would adore a part 5 detailing the coaster wars post '89 :) 😀

It was cool to see Thunder Road being mentioned in the video, road that ride every summer for years before it was demolished in 2015. I remember thinking how cool it was that one of the trains racing traveled backwards when I was little before they changed it to be forward facing. Really miss those old racing style wooden roller coasters.

I truly can't comprehend how this video doesn't have more views! I loved seeing coasters represented that I have ridden in the past. Also great to see that in my childhood amusement park(Kennywood) things were still prosperous! The Tri-State area is a wonderful location for amusement parks. Thanks so much for going into such great detail about these timeless inventions.

Commenting here before the algorithm explodes this series

Wow, amazingly well put together video again, was definitely worth the wait! I never realised new wooden coasters (particularly racing ones) were so prevalent during this era. I'm also a little surprised that no one was waiting in the wings to take over layout creation at PTC after Allen left, I guess maybe they lost a few candidates after he retired, including Cobb. Anyway, great stuff again!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Hey man thanks so much! Yeah it’s definitely a shame that PTC stopped designing coasters after John Allen retired, especially given how long they’d be in the game. All good things must come to an end I guess. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for stopping by!

A buddy recommended your channel to me and I'm so glad he did, you deserve WAY more subs and I can't wait to binge the rest of your content lol

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Haha well i’m glad he did too! Welcome to the channel

I have always found it interesting how some of the major "eras" in coaster history are easily delineated by a particular ride... The Dark Age ends and the Renaissance begins with "Racer" at Kings Island. The era of the "Coaster Wars" starts with "Magnum XL-200" at Cedar Point -- where stats were everything to the point they put them in the name of the ride. The stat-driven "Coaster Wars" ends with "Maverick" at Cedar Point, which proved you do not need some sort of gimmick to deliver a memorable ride experience. Any others I am missing? Any industry-changing coasters since Maverick? Maybe "New Texas Giant," the first RMC?

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

I think you hit it right on the head. Kind of like how different eras in film history are easily defined by the release of a particular movie, the same can be said about coasters. I still havent written the scripts for part 5 and part 6, but it will be fun to try and tease out these coaster “turning points.” Maverick and New Texas Giant will definitely play big roles though!

@ThoosieJP

2 жыл бұрын

​@@JNattyBoi You can also go with Discovery Kingdom and Superman,because of that coaster. Smaller parks could go with a cheap,compact but thrilling coaster,and now we have these multi launch shuttle coasters in which that wasn't really common to have the train go over the same track twice (Except Vekoma boomerangs) and now theirs a war in the industry to go cheaper (Expecially with covid). We have now also gone with more affordable coasters in very compact spaces with unique elements (Panic Coaster-Back Daan,The BGW Coaster)

I am a bit disappointed you neglected to mention space mountain, as its impact on the industry is undeniable.

Love this series

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

Hope you continue this series at some point. Good stuff!

I've been loving watching these! I noticed it's been quite a while since this upload but I really hope you're planning on continuing this series at some point :)

@JNattyBoi

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I’m actually hoping to have episode 5 up this weekend :)

This is a very good series of videos! I've only ridden one coaster myself a few times, but it's very fun to learn about them!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Means a lot to hear

Amazing coaster documentary, I love every single one of your videos. You deserve so many more subscribers!!

God I love this channel

The videos are of excellent quality and detail Tho I must say, the Undetale and Celeste sountrack is so fun for me, a fan of both games xD

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m a huge fan of both as well, definitely two of my favorite video game soundtracks :)

Fantastic series, I’ve been absolutely glued to it.

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

nice video! love your content so much! also nice use of the celeste soundtrack. Didnt knew it can be licensed like that :)

I have to say you've done a great job with this series. So many people glance over the small details that I find to be so important. The previous video actually paying homage to The Comet at Crystal Beach and its relation to the Cyclone that came before it (although you did neglect to mention that it was built using much of the original ride's structure but I guess I can live with that) that everyone else seems to forget over the Phoenix for some reason was especially appreciated. Also loved the mention of Hercules here, another ride I feel is sadly forgotten by most, and the music from Celeste in the background was a nice touch that lets me know you've got good taste in other areas as well!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It's tough, I try to be as comprehensive as possible, but I don't want the videos to be *too* comprehensive at the same time, it's all about finding that balance. As for Celeste, it really is an awesome game and Lena Raine is an incredible composer! Thanks again for the comment

That was Screamin Demon at Kings Island not Demon btw...LOVED that coaster and I LOVED this documentary!!

Great video, dude!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

Another great video. Well done, I'm excited for the next part in the series!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

12:20 the shuttle loop looks to be the infamous shuttle loop from Walibi Belgium. It's perfectly safe now since it uses a LSM launch.

When I seen this video ended at 1989 I knew the next would be about the Coaster Wars! I really hope you get to a part five. I seen it's been a While since you posted the timeline of coasters. I hope to see Magnum XL as the first featured one in part 5. ❤️🤍

@JNattyBoi

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Appreciate the patience, hoping to get around to Part 5 really soon. And don’t worry, Magnum will have a starring role :)

Can't wait to brag that I was one of your first 1000 subs

How are your videos so good? You really need to get more subscribers.

I seriously cant wait for episode 5. this is so well made!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hoping to start working on Episode 5 sometime after the New Year :)

12:48 I appreciate the Celeste OST used here.

He's back!

I feel like Werner Stengel should've been mentioned. Still a very enjoyable video though.

These videos are insanely awesome! really cool to learn the history. Can't wait for the next few videos. I'm a cedar point fan boy, and I know form 89 onwards they start to pop off like crazy. Excited!!

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! The next video should be a lot of fun to make, thanks in large part to Cedar Point :)

Great video my guy! I hope that you gain more subscribers so that more people can see this amazing content and so you can keep on making videos

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thank you! I hope so too, but don’t worry - I’ll be sure to keep making videos either way

Great content but it's worth mentioning that Arrow tried retrofitting the six flags St Louis mine train with standup cars

i call this coaster asmr

Yes!!!! Let's go

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL

Actually accelerate was the first successful suspended coaster before the Big Bad Wolf so it was a prototype after the failure of the bat when Arrow went back to the drawing board it became the first suspended roller coaster so yeah it's a little milder and a little bit Tamer than the big bad wolf and the rest and as far as my home park goes which was AstroWorld we were the testing ground many rides. And actually ASTROWORLD got the first tubular coaster from Arrow to reach a feet of 88 ft which was originally named Dexter freebish electric roller ride which later changed to Excalibur that was the first Mine ride to go to a height like that.

1984 - 2006 Coaster war 1984 - 1989 The start 1993 -1996 The swiss invansion 1996-2005 Intamin's record breakers 2005-2006 The end

21:30 this video IS sped up. If you look at the bottom left corner of the screen, you can see a woman and child walking, but they are moving too quickly considering how they are moving (not running/jogging).

@KuKn10dbao

2 жыл бұрын

But this was awesome video! I'm so glad you are documenting this history in such a concise and entertaining way- it'll be super helpful to new enthusiasts or those who need a refresher :D👍

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks! Good catch, I didn’t notice the woman and child when watching it originally. I didn’t touch it - mustve been the original uploader. But glad you enjoyed the video! Appreciate the kind words

For anyone who might think this fact is cool, Mindbender was part of a Final Destination movie

Amazing content mate. When is part 5 coming?

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hoping to get part 5 done within the next few months, should be a fun one to put together

@ThemeParkLuke

2 жыл бұрын

@@JNattyBoi looking forward to it! I have to say your videos are of a really high standard. You deserve more subs

I’ve ridden American Eagle and it desperately needs the RMC treatment

If only Arrow Dynamics had gone more with Schwartzkopf in their track design with their guide wheels on the outside instead of the inside like the wooden coasters (and I believe wooden coasters would be better with outer guide wheels too) which had them design a track with wraparound ties that proved to be inferior, they may still be around today...

is there another episode?

wher is part 5???

Being from Dahlonega it hurt me to hear you say it that way. I have no idea if that's technically the correct way to pronounce it, but I've never in my life hear anyone say it like Dal-O-Nega.

@JNattyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry about that, I took a blind shot in the dark on that pronunciation. How do you pronounce it?

@marciadamelio7244

Жыл бұрын

Duh-LAH-nuh-guh

Man did you seriously not mention the Magnum XL-200 (1989) which was the tallest rollercoaster in the world until 1994

@JNattyBoi

Жыл бұрын

Yea, I think it’s a bit overrated so I left it out …. Kidding, obviously. Stay tuned for Magnum’s big appearance in Part 5!

@donjackson5522

6 күн бұрын

@@JNattyBoi Loved the Magnum. I was there in 1989 when it opened. Having not experienced TOO many different parks yet at that time, it was my first experience understanding the difference between riding the front vs riding the back.

Schwarzkopf >>>>> arrow