This is great! I’m an 8, but I don’t identify with being exposed as a weakness. I think as an 8 it’s opposite, I have to be true “authentic” I hate small groups that are surface. I want to dive in and go deep and give other permission to go deep. Also I have lots of mercy, because I desperately need it. Maybe because I’ve become a healthy 8 over time with a whole lot of Jesus of course.

@leahrhay9881

5 жыл бұрын

As a fellow 8, I thought as you did, until I realized that I can be completely open with the things I have fully processed. Once it's processed, no one can touch it and that is when I desire depth and authenticity. However, if I am in the middle of processing and it still feels tender, I am VERY protective of who I allow into that space because I realize it's still very raw. It's still authentic, it has to go deep, but there are extra tender places that it can take years for me to trust a person with-most other 8s are the same. I don't know if that resonates at all, but hope it helps to expand a bit.

@PCGEEK2024

5 жыл бұрын

Your speaking my language.

@doncelladurant7221

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed Leah!

@haleypowell9060

4 жыл бұрын

Sophia Murillo Hi! I’m a fellow 8. This could be bc you’re a higher functioning 8 or bc you’re around people you are comfortable with. When he says “exposed” it’s short for “exposed to harm”, 8’s go to great lengths to protect themselves and their group/team/family, etc. If you don’t see sharing your softness w others it’s probably bc you don’t see it as a weakness that others can use to control or harm you. I admire the fact that you don’t, I’m still getting to that point myself! Just some clarification on that point, I’ve done some reading on the enneagram.

@wm.robertlux8934

4 жыл бұрын

@@leahrhay9881 Ditto!👍

I am not religious at all, but I still love this! I am very much into the Enneagram and while spiritual I am not religious. Yet, I hope its ok with you that I still enjoy this and grow from it!

@djgranville

5 жыл бұрын

Pia Hellgren you’re loved.

@LampWaters

4 жыл бұрын

Did u take the test?

@FriebzaEmberorOfUniverse

Жыл бұрын

Pro tip, answer Jesus' knock at the door. You are kind of half way there. "Spiritualism" is a deception of the devil. Heathens and part time Christians will probably get mad at what I say, but it's the truth.

I am an entp 8. Life is hard for us, we always run to the fight, we start things up that lead to change.

@criotene

4 жыл бұрын

Grace G I feel you right there.

@michaeladaase4506

4 жыл бұрын

Im the same, also hard since we're women and the attitude of the 8 is often not seen acceptable behaviour for a women

@christopherbucher7017

4 жыл бұрын

ENTP 7 with a strong 8 wing here. I feel your pain but I can't think of a better way to live!

@kevinr3866

3 жыл бұрын

ayy gurl. ENTP 8w7 represent. Don't think I've ever met a fellow 8 irl.

@inkerikavantera

3 жыл бұрын

It gets easier with age. Little bit anyway that is. I've made now couple of videos (lives) on my own maturing. I have years got 8w7 - now there's 3 too in the mix.

Absolutely amazing! My husband is an 8 and after 10years of being Atheist he has found Jesus and I love how you are explaining this! Thank you💖🤗🙏🐑

@maritzah.4039

4 жыл бұрын

Corina Corina wow this is amazing

Being an 8 I can relate to a lot of what he is explaining. I am not afraid to travel alone, do things alone etc. I know I can do it. If I am right, and have facts and info to show I am right, I will not back down. I do not follow the crowd, I think things over, and if I do not agree I will not join them. I handle emergencies well, very little panic, but hours later then things set in. If I say I will do something for someone...I will bust a gut to do it. I like to help people and animals. It upsets me when people around me do not use common sense, like overspend knowing they cannot afford it then later complain about what they spent. I am not stingy with anything I have but will not put with a bum or a moocher. I always have a back up plan for things in case what I am doing goes wrong. I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong, but you will have to prove I am wrong to me. In a crisis I am there to lend a hand to those who need it. Normally my temper is easy going, but if really provoked, I will not back down no matter how big they are. We 8's are not all bad, we do have some smarts and we usually use them. We have some good points about us too. I take responsibility seriously. One last thing, my neighbors know they can count on me, and any time day or night I will seldom ever say no to them if they need help. I ask a lot of questions about things because I want to know the entire information about the subject.

@momoguniang8557

2 жыл бұрын

I relate to every single thing you've said! And I'm an 8w9!

My husband is an 8 and I’m a 2😊 complete opposites but we fit together like puzzle pieces. Especially with Jesus in the center.❤️ I admire my husband’s boldness and drive to make sure that right thing is being done. I love him 😍 he’s so loyal and protective which I also love. And you are sooooo right about 8’s not liking flattery! My husband does not like if I flatter him way too much. This video is one of the most accurate that I’ve ever seen about an 8. Thank you for this!

@Tara-id3rk

4 жыл бұрын

Maritza H. I’m also a 2, married to an 8!! And while we might have FUNDAMENTAL differences on interpersonal relationships and feelings, we actually fit together really well. I’m able to recognize his withdraw and insecurities with compassion, also appreciate his strength and protectiveness. And his ambition is unreal. We fill each other’s gaps. He protects and provides generously for our family. But unhealthy 8s can be VERY cruel and controlling. Which is hard for a very empathetic person. Twos soften their intensity. It’s an interesting dynamic. We have had high highs and low lows after 17 years of relationship.

@maritzah.4039

4 жыл бұрын

Tara 907 wow your comment was so encouraging!!! Thank you!! Feel like God spoke through you to me 😄 my 8 husband and I have been married for about a year and a half and you understand our marriage!😄 I feel like others don’t know unless they are in a 2 & 8 marriage. it’s can be so beautiful but full of so many emotions! LOL ...praying, forgiving, and communicating has helped us a lot and God has really done so much for us and through us 💗 Thank you! God bless you!

@alexgreen1913

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder how long before you guys marriage will last? If he is an 8 then he might have someone on the side...

@benscott6826

Жыл бұрын

8 and 2 are ideal matches.

My husband is an 8 and I'm a 6. That prayer at the end had me crying a river. Thank you!! I love my 8, even if he's a "challenge".

@Persefone94

5 жыл бұрын

Ashley, I am an 8 and my man is a 6! It´can actually be a super strong bonding couple!

@JeffLavalette

5 жыл бұрын

I'm an 8 and my wife is a 6. I'll be praying for you guys! :)

@andrewcramer9200

4 жыл бұрын

Please stop stereotyping each other based on a faulty system www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right

I am an INFJ type 8. I am a big fan of Churchill and Martin Luther King. I feel most ENTJ are type 8.

I LOOOVE being type 8w7. The best thing is being in peace with who you are!

@sandalschurch

2 жыл бұрын

Amen! Thank you for watching with us friend.

I’ve been lost in this world for a long time...& I didn’t know why I was the way I’am. Your articulation of a enneagram 8 shows me the error in my ways ... God Blessings

This is me! I am so grateful for finding the Enneagram because it has helped me grow both personally & in my relationship with God. I am so encouraged by your reference of Nathan in the Bible and how I can be more like him--speaking GOD'S truth, not just MY truth.

I just finished the entire series! Eight was the last video that I watched. My shadow is an eight and I was hesitant to hear what Matt would say. What kinda digs he would jab in, I was afraid to face myself really. But I just opened my eyes to my own beauty after all. I pray that enneagrams get taught in schools across North America, it could add a flavor to our education system that can help to change our planet vibration. ❤️

I absolutely love this you bring the ennagram to life through story giving a broader definition by a moving story

Any other 8’s get perceived as angry when you aren’t? Not angry, just intense and like to say things as quickly as possible. If I’m pissed you’ll know, believe me lol. Also, anger management strategies anyone? I absolutely have to get it out when I’m mad, so I’ll be cursing and raging white-hot for a quick minute; then I’ll feel that ice seeping into my veins again and stop. Then I’m good. People who’ve seen me like that are freaked out by how fast I go from calm/explode/calm. It’s probably intimidating, but I can’t handle stewing about something like some people do. I find that release allows me to clear my head and start ploughing towards a solution to whatever I’m angry about. Thoughts???

@DragonSlayerRob

2 жыл бұрын

Look into ESTP in Meyers-Briggs typology. ESTPs come off very intense because they are grounded in the physical world and have to push their internal thoughts outward to draw out their emotion and reflect on it.

@mpc5training195

2 жыл бұрын

My anger is always bubbling just beneath the surface, as an 8w7. I pretty much express all my emotions through anger.

@vasilijenicic6806

2 жыл бұрын

@@DragonSlayerRob This too. MBTI gives me either ESTP or ENTP, and ennegram Im 8w7. Fucking hillarious

My childhood wasnt what he says but it was abandonment when my daughter was born and the death of my father so I sought control over everything controllable because of what I couldn't control. Self reliance. Interesting thing it was gods mercy that got my attention. Submitting is my biggest influence this past year. Yielding to Jesus and my husband. I'm still growing. The verse about pleasure in my weakness was huge in my life. I fell flat on my face lost control and power and trust I attempted to hold the world on my shoulders and I failed with egg on my face. His mercy, his love and my weakness is everything. In my weakness I found him and this daily reminder of my place and my submission to his will and his strength in my weakness. The bottom of the valley in the dark is where I got baptized and hes everything. Follow him all my days. And yes its daily. Daily. Daily. Daily lol. But I love him so much I'll give him all my days. And yes I hate not full disclosure, giving me all the information, dont leave me hanging lol

"They don't beat around the bush," that's 1000% correct!! I can totally relate as a 8!! Great video! Thanks!

I'm a male INTJ type 8 but as for the wing I got 5w4 ! Having the the highest scores on 8 followed very closely by 5 then 4! making my tritype 854 I resonate with a lot of characteristics of both 8w7 and 8w9 , but in my introspective time alone I tend to become philosophical, artistically expressive and absent minded totally detached from the physical realm! I believe we are not one type only but a spectrum of all types with a highest Preference for 2 or 3 types , and off course your most Dominant type will reflect the most outwardly in society , thus you'll be perceived as that type! Humans are complex enigmas spread across a spectrum of endless varieties of uniqueness! what we have to do is embrace our innate colors, magnify them and permeate the world with our unique existence! (: You can clearly tell I'm in my 5 atm :)

I love how this is biblical! It makes it even better!! I love this❤️ it makes me feel better knowing this can be interpreted into a biblical explanation

@radnerb

3 жыл бұрын

God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaCDla2Dh9G0lJs.html

Mannnn this is good!! I’m a 8w7 and my ex is an 7w8 and we literally clashed with these areas. We’re now taking time apart but I’m hoping that we can watch these together and learn another better

That was so powerful and true. Amen

You're so right. As an 8, thank you so much for sharing this message.

I am an 8w7, and everything you said resonated with me. People have accused me of being unfeeling, except for anger, and to an extent, they're not wrong. Whenever I get sad, I express it as anger. The same is true for almost all negative emotions. At the same time, I feel my positive emotions just as strongly.

@sandalschurch

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Friend, thanks for your comment! We're glad you're able to recognize those feelings and emotions in yourself. We encourage you to take both the positive and negative emotions to God for real healing and growth!

Great series! Im really grateful for this. It hwlps me understand these personalities from a Christian perspective. Im totally an 8 and yes i point out others' sins, bad habbits, etc. BUT Im also this way with myself. Im praying God make me meek and always put love and mercy before every decision.

@andrewcramer9200

4 жыл бұрын

"In this series, we're unpacking personality tests. I've shown you some reasons two popular personality type systems, the Myers-Briggs (MBTI) and Enneagram, are not actually good indicators of personality. I have also explored three reasons we're motivated to take personality tests and identify with their results; namely, we want to feel like we belong, we want to learn something we didn't know about ourselves, and we want easy ways to categorize people." www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right I think it's time we listened to Ph.D's in Psychology who have actually studied these things.

I needed this straight talk today. Thank you 🙏🏽

Yes! So spot on!!!

Pretty spot on. I've got things to work on.

Ok, I know now that my best friend is an 8. It's been real hard recently when I found that out but it makes total sense why she does what she does. Knowing this has really helped me to be able to know how to talk to her.

@andrewcramer9200

4 жыл бұрын

Ehhh I wouldn't stereotype your friend like this www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right It's right there in Annie Murphy Paul's book title: "How Personality Tests Are Leading Us to Miseducate Our Children, Mismanage Our Companies, and Misunderstand Ourselves." Or if you prefer the International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences about typology: "nothing is explained if the state we have attributed to the person from his behaviour, is then invoked as the cause of the behaviour from which it was inferred. Circular explanations like this give the appearance of a genuine explanation that offers genuine knowledge. But it is only illusory." Types don't exist, they're a form of divination/fortune telling.

My boss, at a Christian company btw, is an unhealthy 8 and he drives me absolutely crazy. The level of inappropriateness and immaturity is fascinating. But when the big guys show up for a meeting or something, he completely changes, almost cowers in the corner; never seen anything like it. And as soon as they're gone, he's right back to it. Praying for patience and kindness but it's hard, these sermons are super helpful!!!!

I’m a 8w7 1:1. Entj. Dc dominant. Alpha male. Your videos are awesome. I’m working on health. I grew up in church, and didn’t get my enneagram until 39yo. I’m working hard on growth. I wish I had found these earlier. I’ve made a lot of mistakes because of my impulsive behavior.

@jeffwhye

Жыл бұрын

Hey Ben! Thanks so much for your comment. You are awesome my friend! I just know it. Praise God for you working on your health my man and your growth. My brother, we all have made mistakes. I’m here with you. Let me know if you would like to connect more or need any other resources to help you through. Also, email me here and then I could try to send you Pastor Matts book. His book “a book about you“. Pastorjeff@sandalschurch.com

Thank for this word! It was an on time word!

1 million claps for you. Never heard enneagram captured this way.

Im glad i was able to watch this video. At first,i was embarrassed to be tested as an 8. But, when i think back to childhood, i was always that kid that acted fearless and loved speaking up for my friends. I love the biblical examples that were shown! I’ve also realized when we are talking bout vulnerabilities, it might look a little different between men and female. Pastor Matt might be sharing from a males perspective since type 8s are also holding more of a masculine energy. I resonated with this video because what ultimately is important is how we are seen by God.

@sandalschurch

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching friend! You make such a great point in your comment too, the most important part is that we are seen by God and continually pursuing after Him. We're praying for you today!

@jeffwhye

2 жыл бұрын

Dream yen, so so true! Wow, the last thing you said was so right on. Ultimately we do need to be seen how God sees us! And yes, I think you are right when some of examples might have been from more of a masculine lens! My wifey is an eight and she relates to some of the examples and even some of the masculine side example, but then there are also the female version examples of what you speak. At the end of the day the ideas are the same. Thanks so much my sister for commenting. Hope you continue to watch the sandals church! If you ever need support or prayer let us know! Jeff Whye, Online campus pastor

@DreamYen

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffwhye Thank you Pastor Jeff! ❤

Omg this is fantastic!!! What if you're an 8 but don't mind being vulnerable?

This series has been spot on. I have admitted some stuff in my mens group, I was scared to do it, but once I did I felt a lot better. Pretty sure I am an 8. I have a score of 96 for #8 --- 90 healthy, 97 unhealthy. I have a score of 96 for #7 --- 93 healthy, 95 unhealthy. I have a score of 92 for #3 --- 81 healthy, 96 unhealthy.

@ashjade86

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Do you know your mbti-personality type?

@dialed_in_Organics

6 жыл бұрын

Ashley Wiggins not sure what mbti stands for.

@cnc06

5 жыл бұрын

Mike, on Facebook look up "Enneagram explorations." One of the 2 founders (Katherine) is an 8w7. They discovered and teach a visual component to the Enneagram. They use the 80/20 rule to visual typing.

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

@@dialed_in_Organics kzread.info/dash/bejne/fmuAmKaTe6fKYs4.html&ab_channel=INTJ I know this is an old comment by internet standards, but you should watch this video and dump these systems.

I am so grateful for this sermon series 🙏👏

God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaCDla2Dh9G0lJs.html

Great video. Very informative

Thank you for this message .

I appreciate the attempt on the understanding of an eight from a biblical perspective as I am a Christian myself. However, I tend to disagree with a major portion of this video. A lot of people tend to misunderstand eights greatly. I took the test twice and both came out with the same score meaning I’m a hardcore 8. The misconception of our type is primarily in the anger aspect of it all, we are not angry we are just passionate. I also tend to disagree when it comes to the perception of the social cue in the room. If anything, I am extremely perceptive and that is how I approach that situation or circumstance. I do tend to value emotions and feelings for the other person. However, I say the truth with grace and with love while also being affirmative. As much as I commend you for the attempt at understanding an eight, much of this video does not sum up how we are. However, I applaud you for showing some truth in the other personalities and the other types and giving us alternatives and solutions for each individual.

@andrewcramer9200

4 жыл бұрын

8s don't exist. "[I]t is a barrier to understanding others, which may sound odd since it's supposed to help people understand others. In simple terms, the Enneagram is a PC way to stereotype people. Once you have it in your head that a person is a certain number, you will filter everything they say and do through your expectations based on the Enneagram. This will cause you to misunderstand others, what they are trying to say, and what their intent is...and that is assuming you correctly categorize them in the first place (which is unlikely based on the scientific evidence.)" www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity_17.html No offense, but the Enneagram needs to be thoroughly researched and subsequently tossed aside.

@Leylakaz27

2 жыл бұрын

Then it means u misidentified yourself twice. Because everything he says is true about 8s

I’m a healthy 8:) only by the Lords grace and sanctification in my life.

@AlanaL3

5 жыл бұрын

I remember standing up to bullies protecting random kids in 6th grade...also being invited to the “popular” group and turning it down because I enjoyed being myself with the great new friends I made that we not in the “popular” group...I’ve definitely become more gentle and delicate with my approach after walking with the Lord for these last 15+ years...I’m happy I’m an 8...

@AlanaL3

5 жыл бұрын

Also so interesting...my “basic fear” is being controlled and I find no greater peace than the fact that the Lord is in control:) it’s been a journey to be a biblical wife as an 8...thankfully knowing the Lord I’ve learned to joyfully submit and follow my hubby. :) I’m actually very vulnerable and always been.

@AlanaL3

5 жыл бұрын

My husband is a 7 to the T:) he needs his freedom:) he doesn’t like to be told what to do at all!! Lol he is such a dreamer. He’s lucky he married an 8! I make things happen...we have 2 very successful businesses and are self employed. It’s so fun to grow together.

@djgranville

5 жыл бұрын

If you don’t mind me asking... what’s made you become a healthy 8? Other than God’s grace of course.

@AlanaL3

5 жыл бұрын

DJ Granville Well, I do think a lot of it was part of who I am even before I knew the Lord, but I am sure a lot of it had to do with my upbringing. I have never been vengeful even before I knew Christ and I have always been vulnerable even before I knew Christ so maybe because I was well loved at home I didn’t feel the need to protect myself as a typical eight would do. The control thing is very true. But of course now knowing that I have no control and the Lord is the one in control I would have it no other way. :-) I also have that self talk of “I can’t be weak “and I think I need to be on guard to not make myself think I am not allowed to “suffer. “But I do like that I can move on from things quickly and not allow things to keep me paralyzed or have pity parties. I feel like I’m rambling. :-)

I recently discovered I'm an ENTJ, Enneagram 8 cake with 3 frosting lol. Thank you for this because I've been trying to figure out how to better utilize my traits for the kingdom.

@brianaslaubaugh8217

3 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly the same as me 😁

@radnerb

2 жыл бұрын

I encourage you to research the origins of the Enneagram. Even if these teachings seem helpful and good, they are rooted in mysticism. The Bible warns us that even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).

@ravishingtwinkle3811

2 жыл бұрын

I am an infj type 8 and my partner is Entj. I feel lot of entj are type 8.

I'm a 8 and secondary 7 which seems to contradict itself. After I learned what a 8 is, I was stunned. Helped me understand myself. Good and bad. The unhealthy 8 is a scary thing

@BradPwnsU

5 жыл бұрын

I’m the same 8w7

@LooNciFeRx

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@lilynoell5590

3 жыл бұрын

Same here 8w7 with ESFP-A on Myer's Briggs

I love his vibe

Classic four that I am - I automatically look for what’s missing. My question after hearing this well put message about 8’s is that I would like to know how to better love and support the female 8s in my community and at church? Lots of talk of 8 men. Which I think is easy to identify in our western culture - but I want to make sure I am not alienating women who have all those amazing qualities too.

@jennalrb6327

5 жыл бұрын

Just be yourself, and bring them in, I don’t need to be flattered, or things like that, just walk up introduce yourself from the start and go

@jodicrain4500

4 жыл бұрын

To put it simply; be real--- and don't assume because I may look like I am confident and know what I'm doing that I really do -- or that I don't need help. We are happy to lead, but we want others to carry their weight.

@andrewcramer9200

4 жыл бұрын

Note the above advice is good advice for anyone, which is part of the "Forer Effect" that makes the Enneagram seem valid when it is not. Being "real" with type 8s almost seems to imply that it's ok to be fake with other types. That makes literally no sense. www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right

8w7 here, while it’s not my top love language, I actually do appreciate words of affirmation. It’s different though-make the words of affirmation direct if that makes sense. We like to be complimented on our strength and independence and do appreciate it when it is noticed by others

This is really awesome and helpful, thanks so much! I will say; you misquoted 1 John 1:9

God bless you. I want to be a healthier 8.

@gangadharlemati3997

3 жыл бұрын

lol good luck brother i want to be too

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck, there's no such thing as an 8, healthy or otherwise. That might make things easier on you. static1.squarespace.com/static/5d77a9a095914b48a1c07840/t/5dee10f95e5ce97f94f85365/1575883008258/III_Myth8_Enneagram.pdf

My wife is an 8 and I’m a 4. We have very conflicting personalities. Unique dynamic haha.

One of the best sermons I’ve heard in years. This is an amazing concept for a message, and I wish more pastors and churches would utilize this in small groups and online sermons. Great work!

Wow!!

Oh, I see the subtle nuances - at least I imagine I do - I just don't care! This is when I am unhealthy. I am also very perceptive because I have LEARNT how I affect people with my force. However, if I try to fix myself TOO much so as too not scare people off I violate myself and people read me as strange. So we all need to be able to balance who we are! As much as I, as an 8 , need to be gentle and have mercy I also cannot walk around on my tippy toes all the time because then nothing ever gets done, I swear! ;-)

@LooNciFeRx

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why 8's actually spot vulnerabilities from a mile away. Just how we use it, healthy 8 use it to uplift people as part of their leadership, unhealthy 8 use it to crush, dominate and be cruel to their enemies.

@nicolealec7912

4 жыл бұрын

This is how I feel

It all makes sense now...

Thank you

My 8 year old son is an 8 and it’s so hard raising him. He has a will of iron.

I want a type 8 😭❤️

This is so me!

Im an entj 8, oh yeah, when i say i have enemies man

I am definitely an 8...but I struggle because I don't know what I want in life... which I feel is so unlike 8's

5s goto 8 in health. Here to learn from the awesome 8s 😎!!

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

There is no empirical basis for that. skepdic.com/enneagr.html "We are also told that for a Five to reach his potential he must go against the grain and strive to be like an Eight, whose main vice is lust. The scientific studies supporting this claim seem to have been lost, however." And because I have an idea what your immediate response would be, that has already been countered by a psychologist: www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity.html "I'm often told that the enneagram is not a personality test and that it cannot be tested scientifically. As a scientist who studies personality, I can tell you that both of these objections are plainly false. The enneagram makes the same kind of claims as every other personality test. There's nothing magical about it that makes it beyond the realm of science."

Thanks for sharing, great content… I’m new to this and scored 83% as an 8 and also 80% for a types 1 and for 2. Anyway, my question is regarding the validity of testing teenagers - wouldn’t that score be largely a moving target still? Thanks in advance for any insight….

This would have been helpful 25 years ago🤣, but much knowledge comes through experience, especially self knowledge. This was an excellent assessment. I didn’t know Gurdjieff was becoming mainstream. It’s wonderful to see.

@andrewcramer9200

4 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite Gurdjieff quotes: "It is interesting to note, however, that in the beginning, that is, soon after the destruction of the organ kundabuffer in the three-brained beings breeding on this planet of yours, they knew about these two higher being-foods and made use of them with conscious intention, and certain beings of the continent of Atlantis, during its final period, even considered the process of the absorption of these higher being-foods as the chief aim of their existence.” “The beings of the continent of Atlantis then named the second being-food ‘amarloos,’ which meant ‘help for the moon,’ and they named the third being food the sacred ‘amarkhoodan,’ which signified for them ‘help for God’.” If anyone is actually reading this: Gurdjieff was a moon-worshiping weirdo that invented the Enneagram as a system of cosmic esoteric knowledge or whatever, that was later hijacked by New Agers Oscar Ichazo and Claudio Naranjo as a "personality inventory". The Enneagram is nonsense. Please stop using it.

@ajs4287

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew Cramer that passage is from “All & Everything: Beezlebub’s Tales to His Grandson” iirc. Crazy book for sure🤣. Gurdjieff didn’t invent the enneagram. He re-released it. Their is some truth in the enneagram, but it is Kabbalah witchery tbh

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajs4287 That's highly questionable, as he was asked his sources many times and gave as many distinct answers. Many of the ancient origin theories are completely illogical, i.e. the emergence of decimal notation in the 14th century on which the Enneagram hinges eliminates a ton of these supposed origins. The truth is in the practical, real-world applications of the harmonic series (which Pythagoras did discover, by hearing hammers hitting metal.) Applying that to spiritual development would be like if I tried to use my math degree to say the Chi-Squared test can be used to predict your favorite vegetable. It's nonsense.

Who writes the questions for the enneagram tests? How many different tests are there? How are the tests graded and interpreted? How does your enneagram identity help you to love others and God? Just some questions to think about.

I am very much an 8, raising four kids the youngest of which is an 8, also.

My wife says that I save all my 8 for her!! 🤣👍 Love that! 😆

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Good Lawd have mercy

literally, David... literally, you are THAT man......... literally :D

Jesus has ultimate power over all (types)

@aarich119

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus is Lord 🙌🏾

"You don't get extra credit for being harsh". Oh my goodness; called me out! As an 8 I am wondering; do I get extra credit for getting things done? 🤣

4:40 Apparently you've never seen John Wick. But jokes aside, I love this video❤

Where do you pastor? Thanks! Good stuff!!!

You have no idea how much this has blessed me. Love and prayers from Fiji

Praise YHWH Yeshua Ehey Ashar Ehey YaHWeH in the Flesh HaMoshiach Yod Hey Vav Hey יהוה Kurios The LORD ⚔️🕎⚔️

@aarich119

2 жыл бұрын

Amen YHVH

check out how spiral dynamics work with Enneagram it will blow your mind !!!!!

I would to see a sermon on parenting an 8. I need help with my type 8 eight year old. I’m a 7.

@andrewcramer9200

4 жыл бұрын

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right You should start by not stereotyping your child based on an invalid system that works entirely on the same tricks Cold Readers and psychics use. I say this out of genuine concern.

Yes let me be a linebacker for jesus :) yes plz

That is the longest intro I have ever seen in my entire life, like chill.

@karenlewkowitz5858

4 жыл бұрын

criotene skipped to 3 min

@Mbalz779

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

oh no... i might be a challenger.!! where can i take this test ??

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

I know this was posted 2 years ago, but. . .don't bother. There is no one place that will have the same test. There are no rules, there is no solid basis. It is whatever any given practitioner wants/needs it to be, just another fad that can easily be replaced by some shiny, new repackaged form of Astrology tomorrow. Unlike the Word of God, which has not changed in thousands of years, as relevant today as it was when it was written.

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As an 8 I am compelled to challenge... Pastor Matt, you use the word "literally," like, literally, way too many times. :P

Being a once unhealthy 8 myself - I won't advise anyone to get into any type of relationship, with 8s at that end of the spectrum.

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I'm an 8. I'm also called into prophesy. Angels talk to me. I have the grim reaper walking me through hell in my sleep (His name is Azrael). I'm supposed to do something useful with my life on this earth but god hasn't told me what that is yet.

@Melitta-zx4sf

6 жыл бұрын

A J Arandee ?

@JohnSmith-tg2nz

5 жыл бұрын

Alternatively: you are delusional.

@djgranville

5 жыл бұрын

Submit to God’s word. That’s your authority.

@choco1199

5 жыл бұрын

Go to church and listen. Stop trying to make it complicated. I liked your old videos

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

D J you do realize the Enneagram tries to undermine God's authority by giving you secret knowledge about yourself that came from drug-addled occultists Oscar Ichazo and Claudio Naranjo, yes? And that it completely spits in the face (I mean, metaphorically speaking, verses don't have faces, far as I know) of Hebrews 4:12? I'm asking rhetorically. Start here: theologythinktank.com/the-enneagram-a-history-part-1/

8 💪🏾

Does anyone here know the origins of the enneagram? You might want to know.

Can you post the link for the enneagram test the church gives?

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

Don't bother.

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity.html?m=1 “The Enneagram is no serious scientific model. It belongs to the confusing and rapidly changing field of lay-psychology: it seems to be a flourishing trade. A psychologist who is a member of the Dutch Institute of Psychologists who works with the Enneagram, risks getting a complaint based on Article III.3 of the professional Code of Ethics, which is about expertise. For non-psychologists such restrictions of course do not apply. But as the Enneagram industry is making statements about our personality - which is subject to scientific research and a profession - we must call a spade a spade: it is simply nonsense.” Wim Hofstee, Psychology Professor Emeritus.

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

The above links are the scientific debunking. Now for the Christian debunking. worshiphisbeauty.wordpress.com/2020/05/09/the-theology-of-the-enneagram/ I want you to read this carefully. Especially the parts about how certain details of the Enneagram's origins and intentions are purposely ignored or hidden by people like Matt Brown.

@radnerb

3 жыл бұрын

God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaCDla2Dh9G0lJs.html

15:00

A 50 second intro?

Both me and my husband are 8s lol

Hey I thought you said that Martin Luther King jr was a 3 @7:46

@Santana_bold

5 жыл бұрын

Same

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

This is a sign of the Enneagram's invalidity. You can put anyone on any number if you only look at specific behaviors on a given day. This is the Barnum or Forer Effect coupled with confirmation bias (you see a trait exhibited by an individual and lock it in your head they're one of the non-existent types, then completely ignore the behaviors that disprove the type you've given them). Explained much better by a real psychologist: "For example, when someone says that they are a 3, you will more easily notice and remember behavior that is consistent with a 3 and fail to notice or even actively explain away behavior that is not consistent with a 3. Thus, even if a person is behaving in many ways that are not like a 3 at all, you likely will only catch the behaviors that are. This difference in attention leads you to feel that their personality type is accurate-after all, you’ve seen a lot of evidence of it in their behavior!" www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right The Enneagram has no validity, and has no useful application. It is a step removed from astrology.

@chloeelimam3899

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewcramer9200 that's fine, I agree that its not "valid" in that it is scientificly measurable, but I do think it's a really good tool to give one the vocabulary to think about why they behave the way they do. It helped me at least. It gave me a lense to view people through to see how other people have motivations that don't match mine, or that people are caring different things than me. It helped me out of a lot of insecurity that I was feeling and I was able to use it as a tool to grow up with less bagage than before. So it may not be strict or measurable, but its okay because its helpful anyway.

I need to ask where did the Enneagram originate from ?

@radnerb

3 жыл бұрын

God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaCDla2Dh9G0lJs.html

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

What B Ruiz said. static1.squarespace.com/static/5d77a9a095914b48a1c07840/t/5dee10f95e5ce97f94f85365/1575883008258/III_Myth8_Enneagram.pdf This link contains multiple citations from the works of Gurdjieff that prove anyone who believes in the enneagram is on the wrong track. Unless anyone can explain what an "organ kundabuffer" is.

Give mercy to the stupid people in your life. You’re gonna have a lot of stupid people in your life. This statement nailed it.

@andrewcramer9200

3 жыл бұрын

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right And this article nails why the enneagram is not actually that helpful, in reality.

Wooow!!! The story about Uriah and the prophet ouch

I watched this video because all my friends kept calling me an 8 on the enneagram… Not going to lie, made me pretty upset that they kept referencing something I didn’t know.. Watched the video, don’t know how I feel. I suppose it’s true. Guess I’ll take the lesson as it is.

@jeffwhye

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Acoustik R! Online pastor Jeff here. Thanks for checking out the video. Ok, know this, we do not advise people to call someone a #/fill in the blank. we understand why people do this. But it actually puts people in a box and makes them feel like they are locked in to something. Even if it is "true" we should never "label" people a certain way. Know this, you are fearfully and wonderfully made by God. These assessments (and this message) is to help you understand more about how God made you. Hope this helps!

@sandalschurch

2 жыл бұрын

Hi friend, we're sorry your friends had made you feel this way. Getting labelled and referenced by something you didn't know is incredibly frustrating. Our ultimate goal is for people to have a real relationship with God and see themselves how God created them. You're so much more than just an enneagram number!

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Lol I couldnt stop laughing throughout the video. This is so me (INTP 8) When I was a teenager I was a nightmare now as an adult I am loved and respected by many, every now and then tho I tend to scare people with my confrontational ways, I'm lovely and peaceful until I'm angry about an injustice.

Anyone else an ESFP-A 8w7??

So I am both a 4 and a 8 and it’s a very weird mix

@sandalschurch

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Titus! That's the cool part about the enneagram. While we may show traits of one number more than another, one number doesn't exactly define us. We all can show unhealthy and healthy aspects of each number and aren't limited to one specific personality!

Can we have a discussion within the church about why Christians would be dismayed at being 8's when, literally nearly the entire Bible is a chronicling of the lives of various 8's used by God to advance his plan of redemption? I think it says a lot about the modern church, and why it is, quite frankly either dying or morphing to reflect the world to the point of functionally dying anyway. Are we that afraid of being forthright and bold? Are we that dependent upon the approval of men? Maybe, just maybe, if we stopped trying to neuter every Christian man, we wouldn't be losing the culture war so egregiously. But, hey, Ned Flanders is what Jesus loves, right?. . . even though Christ was, in MANY cases, not a "nice" guy at all. Oh, and the only reason David was even there to sin with Bathsheba is because he was sitting in his palace during the time "when kings go to war." In short, David should have been out fighting!

I thought he was a 3?

@Garnishes

5 жыл бұрын

Sterling Winston he is 378