He’s a Manning who played in country’s biggest media market for over a decade and had two all-time legendary playoff runs. He’s getting in regardless of what we think.

@Chocobobob

3 жыл бұрын

Good point

@sammisomarriba592

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Flaccos playoff run was better then both of his, Flacco had 13 Tds and no interceptions. Flacco at his peak was better than Eli. So Flacco hof?

@unnanointedonesufi

3 жыл бұрын

@@sammisomarriba592 did you just compare ONE Superbowl run to TWO? Come on dude that's a HUGE difference....

@pw383426

3 жыл бұрын

@@unnanointedonesufi is it really?

@sammisomarriba592

3 жыл бұрын

@@unnanointedonesufi it is? Flaccos super bowl run was 3x better then both Mannings runs combined. Flacco also never lead the league in interceptions, Flacco has more playoff wins...

"A killer touchdown throw from Brady to Aaron Hernandez" lmfao

@NemesisDarkStar

2 жыл бұрын

I caught that !

@NYG5

2 жыл бұрын

He fuckin hates brady man lmao

@dsm278

Жыл бұрын

Always need to catch those jokes he throws in there

@maksports95

19 сағат бұрын

Lines like that is why he has as many subs as he does

He should get in just for preventing bradytards from bragging about 19-0

@bobbybetwirlin8442

3 жыл бұрын

Bradytards? Is that a real thing, and why are they tards?

@gcc0858

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@Tyler-xd5ns

3 жыл бұрын

@@youtubegm3227 what constantly amazes me is that Brady’s insane longevity is probably the most impressive part about his career but his fans barely talk about that, usually just his team accomplishments lol

@mrlaydback11

3 жыл бұрын

@Tom F. Eli didn't play defense.

@gcc0858

3 жыл бұрын

@@hyghiyuhhji7626 Brady Passer Rating Gets Worse In The Playoffs Lol

The “Tom Brady drinks his own pee” at the end almost killed me

@grizzlyadams2307

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh me n you both😂😂😂

@3serio

2 жыл бұрын

I spat my drink out. I wasn’t expecting it

@iamhungey12345

2 жыл бұрын

It's probably the only thing that he would agree with Eli's case for HOF.

@SirskiMula

2 жыл бұрын

the "Killer touchdown from brady to hernadez" had me dead.

@frankt285

Жыл бұрын

Almost choked on my Redbull..😂

I would like to bring up that Eli’s 2011 postseason still holds the record for the most passing yards in a single postseason

@WSHIWASHI-_-JEDI

2 жыл бұрын

I think he has the nfl record for attempts and completions in that 2011 run.

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and their points per game weren’t that good. But the more important factor in their wins was the defense

@josephcox3091

Жыл бұрын

@@Rekcha at what point does coaching staff and GM get any blame. It's not like New York had the best offensive minds in football, and let's not forget that most of his time there he played with subpar talent at the WR position Nix and Cruz were undrafted and we're starting. Those Superbowl runs the defense should carry considering almost all the draft picks and free agent spending went to defense. They never actually built around Eli.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Wow! The most yards in post season history! That sounds really impressive, doesn't it! Well, like most other things in Eli's career, this is a total smoke screen. The best QBs can only play in a max of 75% of the games that Eli did for that run. Let's be fair. Let's take the average yards per game for any QB to play 3 or 4 games. What happens then? Eli falls. And he falls hard. Out of the top 10. All the way to 14th. What about yards/attempt? Eli then falls further to 19th. That's the simple truth about Eli's career. He's a below average QB that had a lot of attempts. Even for a bad QB they will add up. Put me in long enough and I'll be top 10 also and Eli is light years ahead of me in football talent. BTW, Brady came within 100 yards of that record twice. In only 3 games (because that's all he could play). And a few others were within 200 in only three games also.

@viciousvigilante4985

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 but eli beat Brady and Brady had a good defense too 🤔

I want to see one of these about Donovan Mcnabb since Barry is an eagles fan. I’d love to see how he viewed him as a qb.

@Levity31

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

@zainsharifi4612

3 жыл бұрын

Philly fans hate him

@antonioiniguez1615

3 жыл бұрын

@@zainsharifi4612 why? He was great

@ThugShakers4Christ

3 жыл бұрын

@@antonioiniguez1615 he sold shitty soup

@DrClaw77

3 жыл бұрын

@@zainsharifi4612 not this Eagles fan. He may have won no rings, but nothing he did compared to Wentz's last season

He was an iron man though. Meaning that he always showed up to play. He had a short memory. He would get sacked, then on the very next play he'd convert an impossible 3rd down. The other thing that is overlooked is that he played with the same team his entire career. He's a hall of famer in my book. Plus two rings with wins over the so called goat. Thanks Eli !

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

Iron man, yes. Great player? No. Not even a good player. He was barely better than a backup most years.

@NemesisDarkStar

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 I agree When I used to watch football. Eli could be one of the most frustrating players to watch. I had season tickets there year the giants won the superbowl against the 18-0 Patriots. They lost every single home game that I went to that year.

@DoctorHver

2 жыл бұрын

If the Check down hero gets be Hall of Famer, Eli should get to be hall of famer.

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

@William Harding Eli is one of the most overrated players of the last 20 years. He was literally carried through the playoffs twice and was hailed a hero, when it was the defense that truly kept them in those games. And Eli still needed at least one extremely lucky play per game to pull it narrow wins. There are a lot of QBs that we better than Eli and never got close to the SB. He was just lucky as 117-177 and 0-4 in other plays "runs" are much more in tune with the rest of his career. He just wasn't that good. Lucky? Extremely. Good? Nope.

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

My issue with this line of thinking is that you can say that about other QBs, like Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan, that don’t get as much HoF buzz. The difference is the rings, so the question that needs to be asked is was Eli the driving force behind those. I think he was important, but I think the defense was much more important both times. He will get in because rings are a flashy stat, but I just hope it isn’t first ballot

Eli should be in just because he ruined the patriots “perfect” season and he was actually decent QB even though he made a lot of bad throws and had a goofy look

@zacharymarvin4268

3 жыл бұрын

Your comment should eliminate him. He was actually a decent QB. The hall is for the greatest ever not decent players.

@TheKman1014

3 жыл бұрын

@@zacharymarvin4268 he's still getting in

@colmecolwag

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacharymarvin4268 Eli is interesting. Like he was probably the worst of the 3 2007 QBs but he also had like. A key part in one of the greatest upsets of NFL history. Ive seen the Hall of Fame argued as "if you were telling the story of the NFL, who would you NEED to talk about?" Its sorta why Joe Nameth is kinda overrated. He was kinda an eh QB but he also was key to establishing the AFC as a legit conference after the AFL NFL merger with his guarantee and super bowl 3 upset. The Hall of Fame is about the Greatest players. But that isnt always the Best players I dont think. Eli fits that to a tee, I think.

@chadbradthadanddad

2 жыл бұрын

@@colmecolwag that’s spot on. He’s the ultimate exception to what we normally think a Hof player means. In 50 years when people talk about this era of football they can’t just skip the part where he overcame the pats dynasty twice in the Super Bowl. I think he’s in due to the overwhelming amount of circumstances around him and impact of NFL history, not his actual skill

@josephkempinger

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacharymarvin4268 he had some of the highest highs and lowest lows of any QB

It's funny that you would list the 49ers playoff game as lucky. A lot of Eli fanboys like myself would list that as his greatest game. That 49er defense was nasty. Eli was under pressure constantly and managed not to turn it over once. Just for perspective, Eli was pressured approx. the same number of times as Mahomes was in the last Super Bowl against the Bucs. Plus, that defense hit much harder than the Bucs did.

@gcc0858

3 жыл бұрын

That Was Basellcy Eli Entire Career.Dude Always Had A Bad Oline

@sethwarren8901

3 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same thing. Always thought the 2011 NFC championship was Eli's best game of his career

@visualize2065

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@tomknapp6194

3 жыл бұрын

Eli needed 58 attempts to have 2 TDs. Yards were decent, but when throwing that many times, the TDs should be higher. 55% completion and 5.4 yards/attempt is not impressive. And that is his greatest game?

@sethwarren8901

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194the numbers don't portray the epic performance from Eli.

TIME TO WATCH WHILE EATING LUNCH

@lucashaviland9688

3 жыл бұрын

Super relatable lol

@gabecespedes8543

3 жыл бұрын

deadass 💀

@radboy490

3 жыл бұрын

Very Relatable. Definitely one of my biggest reasons for weight gain ngl.🤣🙄

@Ima_chef

3 жыл бұрын

Vibes

All jokes aside, nice to see Barry taking a break from the over the top trolling shtick and doing some serious content. These are really well done content wise with his humor thrown in at the perfect times

You may be a troll but I won’t lie your in depth football videos are very well done keep the content coming Barry!

@thesandboxbandit3838

3 жыл бұрын

I'm five minutes in and it feels like he's only reading the stat lines out loud. It doesn't seem very in depth. I stopped watching, does it get better?

@Awsomeguy145

3 жыл бұрын

@@thesandboxbandit3838 bruh find out for yourself

@lionelmessisburner7393

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesandboxbandit3838 he’s talking about how well he played while showing his stats and showing the context of why their team won/lost

@snoozy7467

2 жыл бұрын

@@lionelmessisburner7393 yep 👍

@piccolopiccolo2513

2 жыл бұрын

​@@thesandboxbandit3838 That's all he knows how to do is read stats. He has no ability to actually evaluate the game of football.

Hahahaha let’s go I was expecting a 10 second “no” video again

Cowboys fan here. Eli Manning played in a tough NFC EAST division back then. He benefited from a great Defense very good RBs a Very good coach all ++++++. He was clutch in big moments and NOT INJURY PRONE like Phil Simms. 10 was good enough to beat the GOAT 2 times.

That killer hernandez line was amazing lmao

@radboy490

3 жыл бұрын

He Went Out With A Bang. Such an amazing career that ended too short. Atleast he died peacefully

@tylerwest2352

3 жыл бұрын

@@radboy490 nah he went out with a HANG!

@brandonmuse5532

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

I think the fact that Eli did so much with so little says a lot. It’s a team sport not a qb sport. There’s a lot of context that’s left out about the mismanaged roster building of the giants that I believe to be important in making the case for eli

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

2008 when the Giants had two individual 1,000+ yard rushers both averaging over 5+ yards a carry. Giants fans are on record saying Eli had no help and the o-line sucked.

@brandonkaufmann6831

2 жыл бұрын

@@supersexysega But look at what happened after plaxico burress shot himself. It's easy to shut a game plan down when the team is missing pieces.

@derekmaldonado4672

2 жыл бұрын

@@supersexysega the offensive line was amazing in the beginning stages of his career. You know when he actually was horrible. But when Eli actually improved, the offensive line dropped completely. This is telling for why they couldn’t score in the red zone in spite of getting 4K yards passing on many of eli’s seasons. Less field and space for receivers, running backs didn’t get space to move much. The management sucked outside of the Aaron Ross draft class during the Jerry Reece era. You had old guys like David Dhiel aging and coming back to play, they just shuffle him around to fill in the holes. Eli Manning got lucky with being above average and superb when it mattered. Now with the league being so pass heavy with the rule changes and now 17 game seasons, Eli Manning will definitely be out of the top 10 of yards and scores all time without a doubt.

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

I’m curious what you’re basing that on, because the entire team was great when they won Super Bowls, and when it was a bad roster they lost a ton of games. He’s not Andrew Luck elevating a bad team in 2012. He didn’t have that kind of ceiling

@russinsrundown5578

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rekcha The first super bowl run was a complete team effort but Eli definitely elevated that group. Barely any turnovers, super efficient he played really well. and when the won the second super bowl in 2010-11 they had the worst rushing offense and a bottom 5 defense. The giants management really failed to build around Eli at any point after the super bowl run missing on a ton of picks and signing a lot of bad contracts. Eli gets a lot of the blame despite showing a ton of talent and never getting proper support. It’s crazy how stafford gets so much sympathy for being in Detroit and going and winning in LA but Eli just stayed and worked with what he got

The things preventing him from playing better was Jerry Reese as a GM and keeping Tom Cloughlin too long he was great for a short stretch and they weren’t going to fire him earlier than they did. I got a feeling he is going to make the hall but I see reasons why people say he doesn’t deserve to be in

@t1s137

3 жыл бұрын

I think also the giants thought that he could make up for a poor roster but he just wasn’t that type of player. They gave him really nothing to work with for a long stretch of his later years

@nightcross1030

2 жыл бұрын

Darn his coach and GM for making him an inaccurate INT-machine! He's a victim I tell you, a victim!

@jordanlomax6015

Жыл бұрын

@@nightcross1030 nah his WRs just couldn’t play. There’s a video of you look it up where they show how many ints were actually his WRs fault and it made all the years he led in ints look faulty🤷🏾‍♂️

That 2016 season pissed me off cause it felt like common knowledge that New England was gonna be THE Super Bowl favorite for the AFC so I desperately wanted a trilogy between them and the Giants

@diehardnygiantsfan6569

Ай бұрын

2016 season will haunt me as wel 🥴 I was a freshman in high school and was amazed our defense was incredible….then Green Bay came

A lot of people fail to realize that he didn't only win two super bowl rings but he did it with two totally different teams after he won the first super bowl they traded off all the players and then he had to rebuild chemistry with a whole new team which is one of the reasons why a lot of those intersections that he threw were tipped balls that should have been caught and granted yes any team that wins the sole football always has to have a defense

@2000mphgirl

Жыл бұрын

This is a moronic comment, all offense intended.

@tomknapp6194

11 ай бұрын

Eli didn't "win" squat. He was carried through 2007 and 2011 and both postseasons by the defense. There is nothing special about that.

@matthewcrispin4070

10 ай бұрын

​@tomknapp6194 I've been seeing you a lot on here. Do you have something against Eli or something? If you're a Tom Brady supporter, I won't judge you. You just seem kind of angry when posting these comments about Eli.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@matthewcrispin4070 I have nothing against Eli. If you think I'm badmouthing him, consider something very important. Everything I post is fact. Not opinions, but 100% fact. I have something against his fans that think he was a great QB. He wasn't. He was below average and carried by the defense through both postseasons. But, if you have something, anything, to the contrary I would love to hear it. I doubt it isn't some that I cannot effortlessly disprove as misleading or just plain wrong.

@matthewcrispin4070

10 ай бұрын

@tomknapp6194 Oh, trust me, I absolutely agree. I really don't think he was as great as people think he was. The only reason I feel people say he is elite is because of who his older brother is. Eli had some flashy plays but really it was definitely the defense that won those two superbowls in fact in superbowl 42 the offense really didn't get anything going until the 4th quarter and if the Giants defense wasn't so good the game probably would have been a blowout. I was just asking because it seemed like you genuinely hated Eli for some reason, and I was just wondering.

"LITERALLY SHOT HIMSELF IN THE FUCKING LEG" 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

@viciousvigilante4985

Жыл бұрын

If plax doesn't do that dumb shit giants repeat back to back SB

Love your in depth breakdowns. I have some possible video suggestions if you are ever up for it. “What went wrong in the Matthew Stafford era in Detroit” “Is Matt Ryan a hall of famer” “Troy Aikman: legit good or game manager”

@vepko008

3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see the Aikman one

@gcc0858

3 жыл бұрын

another one Could Be Why Brett Favre Only Won One Super Bowl

@maxschouweiler3726

3 жыл бұрын

Aikman and Ryan would be really good videos. A Matt Stafford in-depth breakdown would be great. Stafford has a terrible record vs winning teams, so a deep-dive into whether it's Matt Stafford playing bad or the Lions offering Stafford zero help (aside from Calvin Johnson) would be interesting.

@Hodge71

3 жыл бұрын

Great choices

@Sentient_Blob

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxschouweiler3726 I don’t think we’ll really know if Stafford is a choker until this year

After watching Daniel jones keep getting injured I have so much respect for Eli’s consecutive starts number. He literally never missed a game due to injury his whole career that’s insane

Also in that 17-0 pats, SB win that the Giants thankfully won, two plays stick out to me more. The Mario Manningham catch (honestly the Hakeem Nicks before Hakeem Nicks) on the sideline was amazing and that Eli escapes from what I thought was gonna be a sack really changed that game. Great game, great performances, and another reason why I feel Eli is a HOFer.

eli got sacked 6 times and got hit 13 times in that 2011 NFC championship team. against the #1 defense with the dead last offensive line, absolutely his best game of his career.

@loglog4162

2 жыл бұрын

no it wasnt

@joo3793

2 жыл бұрын

loglog watch football then get back to me

@loglog4162

2 жыл бұрын

@@joo3793 I did

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the game in which the Giants had to rely on lucky breaks on punts to pull even and then win the game. I fail to see how that makes Eli great.

@wolfgangescobar6905

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 i love when people don’t have any arguments they go to “it was lucky” anything to discredit players.

You can’t spell elite without him 🥳🥳🥵🥵

@isaiahh4108

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 nope no L he just gives to TB12

@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734

3 жыл бұрын

You can't spell Is Delusional, without Isaiah...

@OBJYN788

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734 you’re a bears fan 😂 Eli has more rings than your whole franchise 🤣

@davidpierce9949

2 жыл бұрын

Cant spell Lie with Eli as well. 🤣

Thank you for this video Barry, I love your videos very informative. You’re not like those so called “analyst” who only just look at stats and rings.

Barry hear me out: Matt Ryan

@Noah_Tindell

3 жыл бұрын

The first thing he'll need to clear up, however, is should the filthy casuals who claim to be Falcons fans respect him. Because barely anybody in the fan base actually likes Matt Ryan, so let's just have them clear that mark before we show them talks of him potentially being a HoF'er

@Sentient_Blob

3 жыл бұрын

Hall of famer if his team didn’t choke. It’s a real shame, he had like four mvp level seasons in a row, yet he’ll never get in because his team collapsed for a quarter

I'd argue he did a lot more than more dominant offensive teams in his generation. His teams were a lot more like Brady's & that recipe is what lead them to success. What I mean by that is both Brady & Eli did on offense was take unknown talent that fit their schemes & let their GM/HC fit their defense with big DE's & speedy DB's that were good at tackling, & big guys on that were mobile on their O-Line. When they went away from that formula is when they went like 7 years of losing. The fact that he was able to be a top 5 -6 QB in his generation with talent on offense that weren't highly rated is why he's an elite QB & HOF. Brees, Peyton, were over bearing on offense but their defense suffered, arguably the best years of the Saints were with physical defense & the Colts went on a SB run when they got their best tackler back. Ben's best years were with some of the best defensive players ever, after they aged they never saw the same success. Eli was elite with less on his side of the ball, just get him 2 good guards & some good DE's & tacklers to do their part & he'll do his, which is why he's a winner.

He has a few pro bowls and threw almost 400 touchdowns and has Those two rings don’t care if it was the defense but helped them out by being their right Qb especially against the pats thank god Brady don’t have 9 rings I know he has a lot of touchdowns but hey he did what he had to do he deserves to be in ~ Dallas fan

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

Quick! Name all the QB categories in which Eli led in for a single season. You'll only come up with 1: Interceptions. And he did it 3x. Once with a total that has only been surpassed once in his tenure. And 4x pro bowls in 16 years is not impressive.

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 Not impressive and he was gifted a couple of them 😂 "pro bowls"

@palantiri6590

2 жыл бұрын

@@supersexysega Pat Mahomes has only been in the NFL for 5 seasons and already has four pro bowls. In fact, if the Chiefs beat the Bucs last year, or if they made it this year and won. Mahomes would already have eclipsed manning in career achievements.

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

@@palantiri6590 Mahomes is a potential top 10 QB alltime. Eli isn't in the same galaxy.

@palantiri6590

2 жыл бұрын

@@supersexysega I only brought that up because Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese wanted to trade up to draft Pat Mahomes and John Mara forced them to stick with Eli.

i feel like the collapsing pocket, and the amount of hits eli takes in this video speaks volumes to what could have been had the front office gotten him a elite oline like brady had

@QwertyCaesar

2 жыл бұрын

The one year Eli had a genuinely great o-line he had the third best QB/WR tandem in the league (behind Brady/Moss and Romo/T.O.) and went on to win the super bowl with one of the best postseason performances ever.

@desmondclark3193

2 жыл бұрын

I was screaming that for years.

I really like the depth of your research, I respect the effort. He may very well make the Hall of Fame but you are absolutely right he does not belong there, not even close but worse quarterbacks have made it, well at least one. More about that later. I just finished writing a book entitled "the first scientific study of the greatest quarterbacks of all time". I analyze 16 different categories and compare most of them to the average quarterback of the era that the QB in question played in. Then compare the percentage of difference to all the other greats. I did not originally include Eli but analyzed him as an afterthought due to his career totals. His totals are high because of the era that he played in and because he played longer than most. When I added him to the original 28 quarterbacks that I studied he ranks 28th or 29th in 4 of the 16 categories. He was only above average among the 29 in strength of schedule coming in at 14th. But of course he has no control over that it is included as a statistical adjustment for the other categories. All other categories he comes in between 19th and 27th. Just so you have some gauges the GOAT scored 716.7 points while the hypothetical perfectly average quarterback from any era scored 258.5. Eli scored 248.3 while his brother, who comes in as the second greatest quarterback of all time scored 684. As for the worst quarterback in the Hall of Fame with a score of 237.8 that would be Troy Aikman. In the Cowboys successful years they were carried by a top 5 defense and running game. When those parts of the team were just above average the Cowboys could not win.

The 49er game wasn't the greatest but it displayed his resilience while being under pressure a ton against a number 1 defense in a muddy day. Its not like he had a number 1 offense that day.

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the game in which the Giants were gifted two easy scores in what was a close game? Is that the one you are talking about? Take away those two fumble recoveries and the Giants are watching the rest of the playoffs. Don't pretend it was because of Eli.

@EliteCustomGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 Well that is why Tom I said it wasn't his greatest game, but he was under a ton of pressure that game (a shit ton of times) and didn't turn it over once against a top defense in a rough day and had decent passing yards. The special teams was key that game yes, but don't pretend the fault was all on Eli on the offensive side of the ball that game. He put up a great effort that game under tough circumstances when other QB's could've collapsed in a very important game. I think it was far from being gifted.

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

@@EliteCustomGamer They scored 10 points on just 40 yards total. So, half their scoring drives had to begin past midfield. On the other 15 drives, they barely crossed midfield. Which isn't surprising since Eli was 32/58 (55%) for an average of 4.45 yards per attempt. And that is a great game? And that's the basic story of Eli's career. He wasn't really good, but anyone given enough attempts will eventually have totals. But, when comparing his average attempt to great or even good QBs, he falls short.

@EliteCustomGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 Did I say it was a great game? It was definitely the worst of the four playoff games that year. I would disagree on stereotyping that game as all, I think he was good at points that bad qbs don't get on accident. Eli was going against the number 2 defense and a crazy good pass rush, with a defense filled with pro bowlers. The giants had a terrible o line that didn't do diddly poo that game, o lines win games in football. Eli didn't have one, the point im making is Eli did a great job playing field position and stayed vigilant despite not getting hurt or turning the ball over once, which is what many other QBs might during under that situation. He didn't have a whole lot to work with that game. I dont think this is one you can cherry pick and blame Eli especially given his performance in the other three playoff games. He did not have a Patriots Dynasty to work with (though thats not to take away Brady is wayyy better because he obviously the goat).

@desmondclark3193

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 everything you say about Eli falls apart when you’re under every comment discredited him.

The fact that nobody wants to point out how Eli heroically escaped a sack to get that ball to Tyree for that helmet catch shows how he gets no love for his efforts.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

Escape that sack and then basically just heave it up in desperation. You cannot say that was planned.

Fuck no. He was Joe Flacco before Joe Flacco. A throughly mediocre QB who had two out of body playoff experiences that were on the back of legendary defensive performances. Not to mention he got those token starts in 2019 to get his career winning record back to a perfectly fitting 118-118.

@allaccordingtoplan5560

Жыл бұрын

@@artvandelay94 never led the league in any passing stat besides interceptions and he led the league in that category twice. Hell no

No! He wasn’t a dominant quarterback that put fear into opponents. He wasn’t one who was amongst the elite quarterbacks in the league. Eli was a good QB, but there is no justification for him to get in other than an outright bias because he played for the Giants. If he had played for the Eagles, then he would not go in.

Manning deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He was not the most consistent player, but he pushed hard and persevered when it mattered most. A 2 time super bowl champion and MVP is more than an average quarterback.

@ShadowGeo117

Жыл бұрын

2 Super Bowl wins with an MVP awarded tied to each is more than most hall of fame QBs to be honest

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@ShadowGeo117 Below average QB carried to 2 SB wins and since the MVP cannot be given to the entire defense, it was given to a guy that had one great play against a team averaging over 30 points per game each time. Eli literally did almost nothing to earn that MVP either time.

Eli Manning is basically joe flacco but played much longer

@libertyaboveall5960

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@visualize2065

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Flacco was worse

@libertyaboveall5960

3 жыл бұрын

@@visualize2065 nah, Joe Flacco was pretty damn good for a couple years, just didn't have any longevity. Eli was always middle of the pack until playoffs

@USALeonHeart

3 жыл бұрын

And Joe Flacco's peak was singificantly better.

@visualize2065

3 жыл бұрын

Flacco was not pretty good! Just incredibly average like Eli. But Atleast in some games Eli was significantly greater and some games just terrible. Eli was inconsistently above average at best or average most of the time. Flacco has just been average, don’t get me wrong he was great when you needed him to be but that’s it. Joe Flacco has only thrown 25+ touchdowns only 2 times in his career. ---------------------- Joe Flacco (41 starts) 50 TDs, 34 INTs, 63.8 CMP%, 82.6 QB rate, 242 yards a game. Case Keenum (41 starts) 49 TDs, 33 INTs, 63.8 CMP%, 86 QB rate, 235.1 yards a game. You could also argue that Flacco didn’t have the best receiving cores in his career, which makes sense. But even so, Flacco had the ravens at 4-5 in the regular season in 2018, look like another 8-8 season until Lamar showed up and that team went 10-6 without Flacco. Lamar has put more impressive passing numbers with limited receiving talent something Flacco couldn’t do. Atleast Eli had a times when he was considered a top 10 quarterback in the league, not the case for Flacco. Both Eli and Flacco are elite quarterbacks in the postseason but extremely average in the regular season. But I would not argue that Flacco was better.

He deserves to be in. He’s a 2 time Super Bowl champion and is in the top 10 in almost every important statistical category for a quarterback. He had some amazing highs in his career. Sure, he had some lows, but everyone does. Brett Favre is considered to be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever and has the most career interceptions of any quarterback. Joe Namath threw more interceptions than touchdowns in his career and is in the hall of fame. Eli deserves to be a first ballot hall of famer, and he has the statistics and the success to prove it.

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

Horrible context in your response. Brett Favre is a 3 time MVP. Eli Manning once in his entire career had a top 10 QB rating. They aren't even close taking into consideration the era difference. Everyone knows Joe Namath is a shit HOF'er let's just put in Eli as well.

@joseywales773

2 жыл бұрын

He’s only top 10 in counting stats which are just proof that he played for a while

@the757general2

2 жыл бұрын

He's top 10 in volume stats because he played a long time. For most of his career his efficiency was average at best. It's a joke to compare him to Favre who won three straight MVPs and retired with nearly every major passing record.

@michaels7159

Жыл бұрын

@@supersexysega Joe Namath is not a shit HOFer, although certainly not the best. He played in a different era when most QBs in the league were throwing more interceptions than touchdowns. Brett Favre has a career passer rating of 86. Eli Manning 84.1. If you look at their career stats they are very similar. If Eli continued for a few more years his stats would be almost identical to Favre. You add in the two super bowl runs - I think Eli's career resume is not too far off.

@michaels7159

Жыл бұрын

@@joseywales773 I hope you're using this same logic for Frank Gore, because for some reason everyone seems to think he is a HOFer even though his resume is far weaker than Eli's.

It would be cool to see one of these on Michael Vick. I mean he did play for the eagles, so I don't see why not.

I expected this to be 5 seconds longer than the last one In all honesty, to both Eli supporters and those who want to spite brady in any way possible, he's hall of fame in our hearts.

Anyone who takes 2 Rings off Brady's fingers is cool with me.

If you did one of these for Brady that went season by season it would help me argue Brady not being the goat to my friends

@raghavsrinivasan8515

3 жыл бұрын

He did. Go check his videos.

@dawgbones7817

3 жыл бұрын

@@raghavsrinivasan8515 I’ve seen that one but it doesn’t go season by season like his other ones

@gcc0858

3 жыл бұрын

Just Say Super Bowls are A Team Accomplishment And They Might Get It

@dawgbones7817

3 жыл бұрын

@@gcc0858 don’t doubt how hard it is to cut through that narrative

@alexanderguerrero347

3 жыл бұрын

He may not be the goat but he still had three mvps because he’s a hall of fame quarterback.

When you utilize just stats without discussing some of the issues with the offense. After the great 2 1,000 yd rb season the giants had a weak run game and a far below average OL that continues till this day. The Defense blew a lot of games. And K.G.'s offense was very complex with option routes and A LOT OF HIS INT'S were a direct result of the wr's running the wrong route. Each season the team had less talent each year (see Reese) Mind you if Plax doesn't ruin that season the Giants had a really great chance of repeating, as they were the best team that year till the incident, remember there was a cloud hovering over them as the authorities were contemplating charging Pierce as well...it was that that sunk them.

I would love to see you do a video like this for a few of the older QB's who some say have been overlooked. Ken Anderson, Roman Gabriel and Jim Hart come to mind. What does everyone else think?

@sr7312

2 жыл бұрын

Ken Anderson yes. The other 2 no. Although their stats hold up against Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw.

Very fair assessment, but I think the quality of the teams around him especially during the later years was overlooked.

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

Considering how rarely he elevated the teams around him during his early years, he wasn’t going to do it in his later years regardless of supporting cast

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@Rekcha If you split Eli's career in half from 2004-11 and 2012-2019, despite in the first half he has 2 SB MVPs and 8 playoff wins, he was literally a better QB in the second half and couldn't win squat. How do you explain that. Simple. He wasn't carried by the defense.

IMO he deserves it I wasn’t very fond of Eli but he did do his part in key moments to win 2 Super Bowls and he did have some good seasons he was a true iron man stayed healthy and was a gamer

He's Brady's kryptonite. That in itself is 1st-ballot.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

Please explain how Eli's 17 and 19 points overcame the Patriots average of 37 and 32 points per game for those seasons.

Without eli and the 2017 eagles brady would have 10 rings so not all hero’s wear capes some wear ten on the giants But if you ask a pats fans or Brady fans then hero’s wear black and white stripes

@Hhdi11

3 жыл бұрын

Lol that last part.

@gengar464

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 so bad brady is malcom butler

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Eli was fantastic on defense! He really kept Brady locked down! Now, do you realize how stupid that sounds?

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

Jake Delhomme, Matt Ryan and Donovan McNabb all scored more points then Eli. Yet they all lost. Probably because it's a team game 🤷🏼‍♂️

@gengar464

2 жыл бұрын

@@supersexysega no shit it’s a team game I’m not disagreeing with that but did any of them had game winning td drives in the super bowl

I love how for other qbs he will give them excuses like front office but eli doesnt get that intresting and he is also a philly fan VERY INTRESTING

@laurinnn

2 жыл бұрын

what true HOF QB gets that kind of excuses?😂

Giants fan who followed his entire career very closely. You're dead on dude. I agree with everything. I like Eli, I think he's a great story winning those 2 Super Bowls but I would not say he deserved to win 2 rings, I feel like he kind of stole them by peaking at the right times rather than by being consistent. The numbers do not bear out a hall of fame case for him and you made that clear. Well done.

@tomknapp6194

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't even peak at the right time. In 2007, he was carried by his defense.

@jaynyce5923

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t matter what the numbers bear. He’s getting in regardless lol maybe not first ballot, but Eli is going in the hall for sure

@billny33

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaynyce5923 I don't know whether he gets in or not and you may be right and he might get in. All I can say is do I think he deserves to get in or not, and I say he doesn't. Even though he will always be remembered along with Simms as the best of Giants QBs. But I'm not even sure who was better in that debate either.

@viciousvigilante4985

Жыл бұрын

U ain't no giants fan

@billny33

Жыл бұрын

@@viciousvigilante4985 I'm just very fair-minded and don't carry my biases with me into all arguments.

Thanks for doing a in depth breakdown this time Barry

Giants fan here. Eli was inconsistent but he also had a suspect line and terrible defense at times. When he had the weapons around him (Nicks, Cruz, Manningham) he was really good. A QB is only as good as his weapons and protection. He didnt jave the luxury of playing in a dome with perfect blocking like his brother. He's a 2x SB MVP and with that he'll get in.

Aaron Hernandez line was hilariously genius!

YES you cannot tell the story of the NFL without him. PERIOD

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

Only if the question is, "Who is one of the most overrated QBs that was carried through 2 postseasons?"

Do one on Brett Favre next, the gunslinger and DickPicksender should’ve had a couple rings on those amazing packers teams🤦🏾‍♂️

Eli is my homeboy...he deserves a whole floor in the HOF

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

When it's the Homeboy Hall of Fame, he's in. While it takes talent and a great career, never.

Can we get a cunningham version of this?

@bino5379

3 жыл бұрын

Yup we need that

I hope someday you make a video about Matt Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger

@andrewsucksatvideos4482

Жыл бұрын

Roethilsburger is a hall of famer and I don’t think many people can argue that. I would like him to do a video on Joe Namath, how he’s a shit hall of famer.

I'm glad you did this but I loved you 6 second video about it.

I 100% agree with you and have been saying similar things for years. Thank you for the video.

No playoff wins when his opponent scored more than 20 points. Wow.

@tomknapp6194

3 жыл бұрын

Very good point.

@viciousvigilante4985

Жыл бұрын

That's football dude.

Early in his career he won those 2 Super Bowls once against an undefeated team witch is impressive but it’s hard to say because later in to his career he looked like A backup quarterback who hasn’t started since his sign ngl… but if he can come into a freezing cold temperature and beat my packers 😭 and beat a highly favorable patriots team that was undefeated and had randy moss then I’d say his chances are pretty good (my opinion)

I mean he beat the Patriots twice (with Brady), both times as underdogs in the SuperBowls and one of those times against an undefeated Pats team with the greatest helmet catch ever. He’s getting in.

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

His defenses more so beat the Patriots twice, but yes he’ll get in. I just hope it isn’t on the first ballot

@brocksells197

Жыл бұрын

@Fries Yeah probably. Given that Rivers is already arguably a HoFer (not first ballot but eventually), two Super Bowl wins would almost definitely have put him in

@Rekcha

Жыл бұрын

@Fries If Rivers had Eli’s stats, then no. Because Eli’s stats aren’t that good

@Rekcha

Жыл бұрын

@Fries Like the question you’re asking just makes it sound like you want to rename Eli “Philip Rivers”

Thought it was the short video again haha

As a patriots fan I think he’s done enough

5:34 but then the flip switched 😂

lmao cooper got the ad before the video 🤣🤣🤣

I’d love to see a video on Ryan Fitzpatrick. He’s had an interesting career to say the least

Yes I think Eli will make the Hof but not on his first or even second ballet. He won two Superbowls,played his entire career in NY.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

Eli won or the defense won? Because I seem to remember Eli scoring 17 and 19 points against teams averaging 37 and 32 points for an entire season. What was it about what Eli did that overcame those averages?

@mrsinister8943

10 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 You are correct those defenses were the main reason they beat New England both times holding them to 14 and 17 points. Eli still played well though with a combined QB rating of over 96 with 3 tds 1 int and over 550 yards I believe anyways. I still can't believe they held the perfect Pats to only 14 points 😆 😆. I'm not an Eli or NYG fan and hate the Pats. The guy did play well in both superbowls and led his team's to two titles and had late game winning drives in both games I believe. Yeah I do agree that his defense is what really helped them win those titles but he did play well and showed up big when it mattered and for that I do think he deserves to get into the HOF eventually. I don't think he was good enough to get in on his first try or even second and it might take him some time to get in but he will get in eventually. Just like Terrell Davis. Though Davis had some great regular season stats like 2000 yards rushing and was the best rb in the league for 2 or 3 years but his career was very short lived. He made a big impact in his short time though and helped Elway finally win a title or two.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@mrsinister8943 To say that Eli played well enough to beat teams that were well below their season average just isn't accurate. Those 8 playoff teams were an average of 13 points below their combined season average and Eli still needed lucky last second plays to barely win 5/8 games. But, let's see how Eli does against each team's average points for the season. If all 8 games are played, Eli goes 2-6 against those average teams beating Tampa Bay by less than a point and 2011 Packers by 2 points. All the others are losses. Some of them blowout. Eli literally had to rely on multiple pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst games of the season and still barely managed to win. And was then called a playoff genius. Nothing if further from the truth.

@mrsinister8943

10 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 I'm just talking about Superbowls. The guy played well in both superbowls and won two titles. That's what most people will remember. Do you not think he deserves to be in the HOF? Yes his defense helped him out alot and to be honest he got very lucky especially with that catch against the undefeated Patriots but he did his part and didn't cost his team the game. Im just saying based off of his two rings and him being the starting QB of one of the greatest underdog moments in history that he will get into the HOF. I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't get in but I do think he deserves to get in eventually but not for awhile or a few years at least.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

​@@mrsinister8943 I'm talking the entire playoffs. The defense held 8 straight playoff teams to an average of 15.2 points per game and Eli still barely won 5/8 of those games. Let's put this in perspective. If even an average team shows up, which is basically 50/50, Eli goes 2-6 only winning by less than a point against Tampa Bay and by 2 points against the 2011 Packers. Another point of view is that Eli needed 5 pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst games of the year and still barely win those games on last second lucky plays. Seriously, Eli was not a factor in any way. It was almost 100% defense.

He’s literally a .500 QB. 2 SB on the backs of defenses. Not a HOF

@testingmysoup5678

2 жыл бұрын

If Brady were on the giants he wouldn't have any rings. Not tough enough to succeed there. Eli did. The d was good but he faced good D's too.

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

@@testingmysoup5678 Tons of QB's are capable of putting up 17-20 points over an 8 game stretch.

Tbf a lot of those picks from about 2012-2017 were picks via receivers. I can’t tell you how many times I yelled at the tv for receivers like Ruben randle swatting the ball upwards lol. In anycase I hope my boy gets in.

@laurinnn

2 жыл бұрын

all of that goes both ways, receiver drops lead to INTs and defenders drop them all the time as well, in the end, every QB should have a couple more INTs at the end of the season

Rivers also threw 20 INTs three times and lead the league in a 4th season with 18, and gagged up almost every single real opportunity to win that he ever had, and he’ll have no problem getting in whatsoever

@akabancopop

Жыл бұрын

@Fries Just wait till they're all eligible

@andrewsucksatvideos4482

Жыл бұрын

The difference is that rivers was incredibly consistent and had an incredible peak and was an MVP candidate from 2008-2010 and through double his touchdowns to picks and was an above average quarterback for every single season of his career while Manning was inconsistent, his “Peak” was just him above average, he never received a single MVP vote, through a shit ton of picks and had msny shit seasons on his career.

@akabancopop

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewsucksatvideos4482 Rivers played in gorgeous weather and had a hall of famer as his top target. If he was here in that wind his delivery would have been exposed.

As a fellow eagle fan please make one of these on mcnabb

Keep them coming Barryyyyy

5:33 “And then the flip switched” lmao but still a great video

Every Winning QB from Super Bowl's I thru XIV are in the Hall of Fame. If Bob Griese and Len Dawson are in the HOF, you easily put Eli Manning in the HOF. •117-117 •2 Super Bowls •2 Super Bowl MVPs •#8 All-Time Passing Yards •#9 All-Time Pass TDs •16 years with the same team I wouldn't select him as a First Ballot HOF, but would have him sweat it out a few years - like Kurt Warner.

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

Kurt Warner atleast was a dominant QB for a period in his career. It's a stretch to say Eli Manning was ever consistently very good at any point in his career. Him being a top 10 QB all-time in regards to passing yards comes down to starting 234 games in a passer friendly era. Five guys from his own era are ahead of him. With plenty more creeping up.

@Thomas1701E

2 жыл бұрын

@@supersexysega Many Hall of Fame QBs get in for their body of work. Eli's not a first ballot Hall of Famer. 1st ballot players are considered one of the Greatest or in the conversation as Greatest of all-time at a position. Ultimately, Eli is deserving to get in the HOF - in my opinion.

@supersexysega

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas1701E I can't justify a guy who spent damn near his entire career not even being a top 10 player at his own position. Could care less what you accumulate at the end of the day if on a season by season basis 10-15 guys were doing the same job more effectively every year you where in the league.

YESS!! WAS WAITING ON THIS! Had a big ass debate about this the other say

Ayy thanks for doing Eli, Mike Vick next?

@nygm984

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think they allow videos inside prisons.

@user-hd7he7vy4s

7 ай бұрын

Michael Vick is a jagoff.

I literally just got an ad with cooper manning in it before this video

Once, again: You KILLED it!!! No Cap. And you brought receipts. You should be on TV, goin’ up against guys like Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Max Kellerman and Colin Cowherd. You are hilarious but TRUTHFUL and Straight-To-The-Point. You are knowledgeable, you don’t hold ANY cut-cards and you come with straight FACTS. You SHOULD be on Sports TV, instead of 90% of those Jack-Offs that they have on ESPN, The NBA On TNT, NFL NETWORK and Fox Sports 1, to name a few. Keep Rockin’ Out, spittin’ that REAL TALK- I BANGS wit’ you and as you can see- I’m NOT the ONLY 1... Let the church say “Amen”.👏🏽👍🏽💯

i was an eli fan myself i felt like he deserve some credit i like the dude cause he upset 2 times the most overrated player in all of the sports, i thought he deserved the HOF but sometimes you need to check, with this in mind its safe that he made himself a name by being A manning

Hall of Fame is about accomplishments. Eli got MVP for both Superbowls. He's got 2.. you don't just "luck" into Superbowls.. he is also on the top 10 all time passing yards and touchdowns. He's done more than most who are in the Hall of Fame. He's an obvious in by all accounts from my pov and I'm a Cowboys fan.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

Eli was carried both postseasons because he was a below average QB. But, if given 16 years, even below average stats will pile up to be top 10, even though others with more yards and TDs had hundreds of fewer attempts. He literally did almost nothing that most HoF players have done.

@tj7094

10 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 he beat Tom Brady twice in the Super Bowl. Who else has done that?

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@tj7094 Brady was averaging 37 and 32 points per game in 2007 and 2011. Please explain what it was about Eli's 17 and 19 points that came close to overcoming those averages.

@tj7094

10 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 he won both superbowls

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@tj7094 Please explain how he did that by scoring 17 and 19 points.

I have no issue with Eli in the HOF, however, just don't give him extra credit for beating Brady twice in Super Bowls. He won 2 Super Bowls and that entails a lot of things besides the actual Super Bowl games and he didn't beat Brady, his defense did and he took advantage of that with two game winning drives with some big throws. Nick Foles also "Beat Brady" in a Super Bowl and maybe more so because he put up a lot more points than Eli's 17 and 21. Of course I'm not saying Nick is HOF if Eli is, because obviously Eli had a great overall career, but my point is that beating NE in the SB is not impossible and had Atl not refused to burn clock and Seattle not thrown on 2nd and goal, they would have done it too

Barry you’re literally my idol

17:21 McCockiner hates Brady so much! 😂

@15:42 *You had ONE job!*

500 QB with shitty regular szn numbers, of course hes not in. but narratives so let him in. its like letting flacco or foles in

I feel like he had anxiety so when in the biggest moments, for fear of messing up he would totally shine

You speak about context but fail to mention these things… -the Giants in the 2011 regular season had the 31st ranked offensive line & a bottom 5 defense. YES the defense turned it on in the playoffs, but there was a regular season before that -Post 2011, the Giants never gave Eli the support QBs like Peyton, Tom, Drew Brees, etc had, it was all on his shoulders. No running game for years, practice squad wrs due to injury of Nicks & Cruz until Odell came in 2014.. and he was still throwing to garbage. Preston Parker, Jarrell Jerrigan.. you know any of these guys? don’t think so. -2016 his last great year, the offense was dink and dunk and hope Odell breaks the game open due to not being able to run the ball and pass block for more than 2 seconds. Nobody called Eli elite but given some of the circumstances he was dealt, he’s giving a lot of shit for some things that was out of his control. If you really dig deep into it, post 2011; the Giants failed Eli. Terry Bradshaw threw 6 touchdowns to 24 interceptions as a rookie, finished with 212-210, no one considers him a top 10 QB all time, but he’s in the hall of fame. Joe Nameth is literally in the hall of fame because he said he was gonna win a super bowl, won that super bowl 16-7.. also finished his career with 47 more interceptions than touchdowns, hall of famer! Eli beat Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Tom Brady 2x.. that’s 3 of the top 10 QBs of all time, a fringe hall of famer in Matt Ryan, and two very solid QBs in Romo & Smith. Eli deserves and will be in the hall of fame, he was never the best QB, but he was far from the worse. You can make a case that in 2007 he was carried by the defense. but in 2011, without Eli & the WRs, that Giants team would’ve been picking top 10. he will be in Canton and it will be first ballot.

@wcmys8408

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 so what about everything else i mentioned?

@tomknapp6194

3 жыл бұрын

I would pick any of the QBs that you mentioned over Eli. He got lucky twice, but outside of that he was pathetically average. And Romo was twice the QB Eli was. Romo just didn't have the luck that Eli did.

@wcmys8408

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 please explain the luck? but regardless face the truth, he will be in Canton & DESERVEDLY so.

@tomknapp6194

3 жыл бұрын

@@wcmys8408 Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that Eli was lucky and he had basically an average (at best) career. Ok, let's go back to 2007. Brady (38 points), Favre (35 points), and Romo (45 and 31 points) destroyed the Giants defense and had an average win margin of 11 points even with the Patriots winning by merely 3. Then in the playoffs, Eli led the Giants to fewer points, but was gifted a few lucky plays and pulled out a narrow victory because Romo, Favre, and Brady were all having on the worst games of the year. That makes Eli an MVP how? It seems like it should have gone to the defense that only allowed 17, 20, and 14 points, a drop of over 20, which had ZERO to do with Eli. Top 10 in TDs and yards? This is one of my favorites! Not only is Eli top 10, but he, Rivers, and Roethlisberger are literally 6th, 7th, and 8th in not only yards but TDs also (stats are up to 2018): Career Yards Ben 56,194 Eli 55,981 (-213) Phil 54,656 (-1,538) Career TDs Phil 374 Ben 363 (-11) Eli 360 (-14) So, you are 100% correct, he is top 10 all time along with the two others in a pretty tightly knit group. But, I have one more category to take into consideration. No, not interceptions. How do they stack up on pass attempts? Let’s look. Player Attempts Eli 7972 Ben 7168 (-804) Phil 7000 (-972) What’s this? For Eli to have the same stats as Ben, he had to throw it 804 more times?!?! That’s almost two more full seasons worth of attempts for the same results. As bad as that is, he had to throw it 972 more times than Rivers for half a season fewer TDs!! In my book, throwing a lot more and barely keeping pace is not great or even good. Even if Eli had a career year in 2011, it was basically 1 year in 16. That's not impressive and definitely not worthy of the HoF. Next!

@wcmys8408

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 so are we supposed to use regular season scores as a vessel to postseason scores? anybody with common sense knows that more likely than not, there won’t be many 45-35 games in the postseason. besides the game in Green Bay was fucking freezing, don’t be naive! now back to the stats. since you refuse to bring context to the situation, let’s do that.. Philip Rivers did not start his first 2 seasons, & when he did start he was almost always part of pass heavy teams, even with LT. Ben also was on pass heavy teams and would have even HIGHER stats if he played more and if he wasn’t suspended or hurt. Eli was almost always on run first teams except the 2-3 years with from 2010-2012/2013. & the years where he was forced to pass more due to not having a running game like Ben & Rivers did. he also didn’t play with a top 10 wr ever in AB & one of the best dual threat RBs in his prime in Bell like Ben did. nor did he have skill guys like Keenan Allen, LT, Melvin Gordon, Ekeler, Antonio Gates, Danny Woodhead, etc. You tell me what Ben and Rivers would’ve done with just Odell & guys like Ruben Randle, Rashad Jennings, Preston Parker, Larry Donnell, etc. i bet you never even heard of some of those guys. if Eli was “so” lucky to even win, why did Ben play so bad in all 3 of his super bowls? Why did Philip Rivers never even REACHED a super bowl despite arguably playing with the best teams outta the 3?

2011 eli manning was hall of fame worthy from the dallas game on. Outside of that...its pretty much just mediocrity. Even in the 2007 playoff run he wasnt all that good.

@tomknapp6194

3 жыл бұрын

Do you realize that in the 2007 regular season, the Giants defense were destroyed by Favre (35 points), Brady (38 points), and Romo (45, 31 points) and in the playoffs, Eli actually lead the Giants to FEWER POINTS PER GAME, but because of a few lucky plays he had last second wins. I've been waiting almost 14 years for someone to successfully tell me how that made Eli great. In 2007 Eli basically stumbled his way through the playoffs, carried by his defense, and everyone gave Eli credit for the win. Seriously, he's not that great.

@benjaminpeters6729

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 his 2011 run was really good though. I cant take that from him. Beating 15-1 green bay on the road and putting on a dominant performance is impressive.

@tomknapp6194

3 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminpeters6729 You mean the game in which Aaron Rogers had his worst passer rating of the year? That one? Where he threw fewer TDs than 10 of his regular season games and an interception when he only had 6 others? That game? And you want to say that it was because of Eli? lololololololololololol This is a common theme for Eli in the playoffs. Well, at least in 2007 and 2011, because we know what happened in those other years he was in the post season.......... Shhhhhhhhh........ lol

@benjaminpeters6729

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 how your opponent plays is out of your control. Eli had 330 yards and 3 tds.

@benjaminpeters6729

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 all I said is that he played well...not that they only won because of him.

What's wrong with first video Barry posted, I thought it was perfect and to the point.

I honestly thought you would First ballot him just for his help in keeping 2 more rings off someone (although I am so sick of the 72 Dolphins it makes me wanna puke each year the last team loses) who has way to many already. I 100% see your point of him basically just being a good (not great) QB who never got hurt in a time where everyone was throwing for over 3500 yards every year. Without the Two rings he isn't even in the HOF discussion, but he DOES have Two rings. I don't think you can overstate how great keeping New England from going 19-0 was. It was I think without question the biggest upset in Superbowl history by a mile! For that game plus his numbers I think he belongs, just not First ballot. He should wait a bit, but I would vote yes to put him in Canton.

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

The issue is just that he wasn’t the driving force behind either of those rings, the defense was. Any other good QB could have won those games

Is this really a question? Yes, he is a HoF without a doubt. I'm a Cowboys fan

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

Romo was twice the QB Eli was, just didn't have Eli's luck or carried by the defense.

@ushermore6893

10 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 I don't disagree, but we don't look deeply into how the player won superbowls. One or more of Brady's was won because of the defense. No one will care when he gets to the hall of fame. Eli has the acholades that Romo doesn't

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@ushermore6893 What accolades does Eli have that are based upon talent? First addressing Brady. No, he didn't play his best in the playoffs. But, which QB needs more help, the one that won 75% of his games or the one that won 50% (Eli)? 2 SB MVPs? Without the defense holding 8 straight playoff teams to an average of 13 points below their season average, Eli doesn't have a chance. If just an average team shows up for each game, Eli goes 2-6. Those 2 wins are by less than a point against Tampa Bay and by 2 points against the 2011 Packers. Nothing special about relying on multiple pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst gams of the year and still barely win. Top 10 yards and TDs? Only because he played 16 years.His yards/attempt and TD % (TDs/100 attempts) aren't in the top 70 and mostly tied with guys that will never be in the HoF or with QBs that played in a much less pass friendly league. Bottom line is that he was a below average QB that was carried by the defense. Nothing special about that.

Eli will always be a Hall-of-Famer in my heart for beating Brady twice in the Superbowl.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

Eli beat them or the defense that held the Patriots to 23 and 15 points below their season average did?

Wow. An Eagles fan giving his take on a Giants quarterback. This should go great Barry 👍🏻

This shouldn't even be a conversation. Eli ticks all of the boxes: Longevity, Statistics, Championships. And I'm a Cowboy fan.

you fail to mention the shit offensive lines he played for

@tomknapp6194

2 жыл бұрын

That's because no one was afraid of Eli and defenses could commit more to the run/pass rush.

Literally the only thing he has going for him are the 2 Super Bowls

@TheCman183

2 жыл бұрын

Incorrect

Stopping Brady twice in the superbowl is an easy HOF spot

I'm a cowboys fan but this one is tough, the lack of a massive season is hard to overlook but to unseat the pats twice.... this is one of the hardest, but he can't get in unless Phil Simms goes first cuz Simms was the WAY better ny qb