I love how he brings up Tom Brady multiple times in this video 🤣

@blacker5826

2 жыл бұрын

dude is a literal troll account lol

@AllDayDavis

2 жыл бұрын

You must be new

@comehereson6996

2 жыл бұрын

Brady lives rent free in his head

@AT3toxic

2 жыл бұрын

@@blacker5826 no, he's literally overrated and he has proof

@blacker5826

2 жыл бұрын

@@AT3toxic So why doesn't he argue with Von Allen Sports and rejects everyone's choice to argue with them or not. That is ignorance my friend not proof

Don’t forget about Shaq’s 1 career 3-pointer

@joemamma137

3 жыл бұрын

I thought that was in an all star game.

@rafikz77

3 жыл бұрын

@@1NumeroUno vs the Knicks in pre-season

@rafikz77

3 жыл бұрын

@@1NumeroUno ah ok

@RockinRobb01

3 жыл бұрын

@@1NumeroUno 50% 3 point shooter that year. Curry could never.

@deanbrewer7971

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he had 2 LMAO 🤣

"Not all rings are equal" this can not be overstated.

@caidendaniel24

11 ай бұрын

John 3:16 🙏🏽

@user-lk1fw1lp8b

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, Mickey Mouse ring doesn't count

@victor-pw9im

4 ай бұрын

​@@user-lk1fw1lp8blol pathetic

@1DJ_416

4 ай бұрын

@@user-lk1fw1lp8b you Only think that cause Lebron won it

@user-lk1fw1lp8b

4 ай бұрын

@@1DJ_416 I know that because it's a fact

“people use platforms that didn’t even exist the last time he wasn’t an elite player to say he’s overrated” is an such an insane line and i didn’t even think of it that way until you said it, lebron is crazy lmao

@raviolihands5347

Жыл бұрын

A nice way to say "let me give him another participation trophy"

@NewWorldDreams47

Жыл бұрын

​@@raviolihands5347 cry about it 😂😂

@landonevans2852

10 ай бұрын

kobe at 11 wheres bill russel larry bird

I love how this guys channel looks like a meme at first glance, but going deeper I've found some of the better analysis on KZread. Respect

@bruhmoment6620

2 жыл бұрын

If you think this is good analysis, you should raise your standards

@B4rry16

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruhmoment6620 go back to watching Skip and Shannon then

@aidanlandwehr8295

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruhmoment6620 where do you get your analysis from

@bruhmoment6620

2 жыл бұрын

@@B4rry16 this video might seem well thought out, but really he has nobody challenging his “analysis” so what he’s saying might sound smart but it’s really all garbage, how can you have curry and KD above Tim Duncan all time? There’s literally no argument for it

@B4rry16

2 жыл бұрын

​@@bruhmoment6620 Nobody cares what you say

Wilt was a freak on and off the court 😂😂😂

@quazeilldavis5790

2 жыл бұрын

I literally just realized what he meant by that when I say this comment

@kedharswaminathan7571

2 жыл бұрын

@Grimace He was…. the highlight of the town if you know what I mean.

@calamorta

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot the "who could last on any era" bit

@_franchised_

2 жыл бұрын

💀

@kenrickeason

2 жыл бұрын

@@conquistadorito hell yeah! Have him with a John Stockton or Magic Johnson as PG and rings would drop from the sky..

I love how he focuses on players' flaws. These lists always only talk about their strengths so they seem arbitrary along the margins.

Finally a list that includes Hakeem. Dude was amazing on both ends. Would be my starting center on an all time team.

Hakeem is easily the most respectable placement on this list people don’t understand how great he was

@CTifer

3 жыл бұрын

He got that first mega contract, right? I think about 15 million/year

@ap396z

3 жыл бұрын

@@1NumeroUno well to be fair he did get his 2 rings when MJ retired. That was absolutely prime Jordan. Hakeem could have easily finished his career without a ring if Jordan doesn’t retire

@ap396z

3 жыл бұрын

@@1NumeroUno they only played twice a season. And it’s the regular season at that. But I’m not saying the bulls for sure would have won dude. It’s all hypothetical Hakeem has 2 rings and that’s that. It’s cool to think about if Jordan doesn’t retire at his peak tho. It’s hard to imagine anyone on the rockets stopping Jordan in a 7 game series in the nba finals

@ap396z

3 жыл бұрын

@@1NumeroUno nobody said Hakeem was lucky?? All I said was Hakeem got his 2 rings when Jordan retired. and that’s a FACT. Hakeem was unstoppable. Jordan was unstoppable. Man it would have been fun

@eternalboss1046

3 жыл бұрын

@@1NumeroUno Hakeem did outplay Shaq in the 95 finals, but since you like to post the stats when player's teams face off here is Hakeem vs Shaq when their teams went head to head for their careers. Don't give me the excuse that Hakeem was older for some of this, because Shaq was young for some of it as well. Don't give me the "right under the basket" or tell me you don't care for Shaq's FG% either because unless it's a 3 a FG made is factually 2 points. A mid range shot is not worth more than a make right at the rim. This is their head to head overall no cherry picking specific games: Reg Season (20 games) Shaq: 22 PTS / 54.4 FG% / 12 REB / 4 AST / 1 STL / 2 BLK Hakeem: 18 PTS / 44.7 FG% / 9 REB / 3 AST / 1 STL / 2 BLK *Shaq + 4 PTS, + 9.7,FG% + 3 REB, + 1 AST Single Game Highs for each during this stretch: Shaq: 34 PTS / FG% 70 / 20 REB / 8 AST / 2 STL / 6 BLK Hakeem: 31 PTS / 64.7 FG% /15 REB / 9 AST / 5 STL / 6 BLK Playoffs (8 games) Shaq: 29 PTS / 55.6% / 11 REB / 5 AST / 0.5 STL / 3 BLK Hakeem: 23 PTS / 46.5% / 9 REB / 3 AST / 2 STL / 1 BLK *SHAQ + 6 PTS. + 9.1 FG%, + 2 REB, + 2 AST, + 2 BLK *HAKEEM + 1.5 STL Single Game Highs for each during this stretch: Shaq: 37 PTS / 64.7 FG% / 16 REB / 9 AST / 2 STL / 5 BLK Hakeem: 35 PTS / 76.9 FG% / 15 REB / 7 AST / 3 STL / 4 STL Remember, Wilt "blasted" Russell because of stats, so per your logic the overall stats favor Shaq when they went head to head. Shaq blasted Hakeem more than Hakeem blasted him. Make excuses about Shaq's size all day here, yet you did not give Russell a pass for being smaller than Wilt. I am just applying your logic to this subject here.

Tom Brady motivated LeBron James to play basketball and win championships

@ruebenllongoria836

2 жыл бұрын

He should get credit for lebrons rings. 11 rings. Tied with Bill Russell

@gravoligaming3970

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruebenllongoria836 6+4=11 now

@ruebenllongoria836

2 жыл бұрын

@@gravoligaming3970 Brady has 7 rings. Lebron has 4. 7+4=11…

@chichis5757

2 жыл бұрын

@@gravoligaming3970 lol didnt take math huh?

I respect your list, and how you included Hakeem, KD and Curry but I believe that Tim Duncan is a top 5 all time because of the how he kept the spurs in playoff contention for his whole career, his finals mvp as a somophore and how he basically made Greg Poppovich great

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

It's a crime Duncan didn't win dpoy. His defensive longveity was good. Anchoring great defenses since 2014

@tpsam

Жыл бұрын

He says he like peak a lot but bird is so low and goes nitpicking his playoffs success but doesn't with curry and kd

@Jqles

Жыл бұрын

@@tpsamhe criticized durant and curry a lot but they transcended the game so much more than Bird. Yes it was very fun watching Celtics vs. Lakers but at the same time there were only a couple other good teams

This aged well for steph

Honestly I believe MJ had the greatest peak of all time and LeBron have the greatest longevity of all-time

@HopsinThaGoat

2 жыл бұрын

That’s honestly the best way to look at it and I’m someone who thinks Lebron is the greatest

@alexsolimani

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself.

@leultrainstinct406

2 жыл бұрын

Facts. It all depends on which on you value more but they’re 1&2 all time. Lebron solidified himself as a top 2 player nothing below that. Personally it’s more impressive that Lebron has been so consistent for this long on top of being the most complete player ever all in the most talented era. So he’s my goat

@moneyiscool29

2 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 He is not the most complete player ever.

@chambeet

2 жыл бұрын

Summed it up well.

Fun fact. Hakeem has a 13-10 record against MJ

@dantealoving

2 жыл бұрын

Tim Duncan has a 21-15 record against LeBron James including 11-5 in the playoffs.

@bobjones3986

2 жыл бұрын

@@dantealoving but not as a dominant player, but which hinders his individual impact

@dantealoving

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobjones3986 I agree. Just like Hakeem was not as dominant as Jordan.

@bobjones3986

2 жыл бұрын

@@dantealoving you’ll find no argument here, but what I will say is Hakeem contributed to those wins against Jordan more than Duncan against Lebron.

@indmslikedeez8005

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobjones3986 Tim was more dominant than bron, he sacrificed stats for the betterment of the team, something bron never did. That’s why Tim won 4 rings in 10 years and bron barely winning 4 in 17. When has bron ever recorded a quadrupole double like Duncan? Why did Duncan never miss the playoffs like bron has?

I love the Hakeem pick at #4! The man is criminally underrated. 👍

@Kingofhoops5

10 ай бұрын

Yup

Thinking Basketball's video on Lebron at 37 explains a lot of his continued success. I think, just like MJ, Bron came into the league at the right time. Only one year in the "Deadball Era" and the game gets increasingly easier offensively. For MJ, it's right at the time the media was looking for an athlete in a team sport to build a story around, and MJ's flair was the best selling point. Timing is everything!

@lolno6975

Жыл бұрын

Yes but the difference is Bron came into a team that couldn't care less. MJ had a team willing to give him the pieces necessary to win. You cannot deny that.

@rafikz77

Жыл бұрын

@@lolno6975 true

@thesharinganknight9859

Жыл бұрын

Michael had god tier teammates, LeBron never had overwhelmingly good teammates

@rafikz77

Жыл бұрын

@@thesharinganknight9859 Facts

@NewWorldDreams47

Жыл бұрын

​@@thesharinganknight9859 that's tough, but Wade, Kyrie and AD are his best teammates. As far as consistency was concerned, they all fell apart at the wrong time. Wade was moving past his prime. Not done yet, but it was around '15/'16 that he started getting moved around to different teams. Kyrie is Kyrie. Doesn't need much explanation. And AD fell apart right at the end of Bron's prime, which just shrank his window of opportunity. Jordan didn't have the same issues with his teammates, so he had an easier path. Both are still great and can't be lower than 1/2

Big respect for putting Hakeem at #4. He was simply amazing.

@martinaguilargonzalez7281

2 жыл бұрын

Yh people don’t get than by his second year in the league he went to the finals and beat the showtime lakers in 5 and lost to the best Celtics in 6. If he had Ralph Sampson all his career he could easy have more than 2 championship

@KG-jw4jg

2 жыл бұрын

U think this list is good? I think this is a troll buddy 😂 u think Curry is better than timmy, kobe, shaq, and bird? Youre just as delusional as him

@ryfybeatz1291

2 жыл бұрын

@@KG-jw4jg yes curry would destroy trash bird

@ryfybeatz1291

2 жыл бұрын

@@KG-jw4jg look at curry man so inspirational getting casual fans pissed off

@2cansam196

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryfybeatz1291 I bet your inspiration is flight reacts I’ve never seen such a fanboy

Saw Duncan at 12 and knew I was in for a wild ride…

@teehiggins5734

2 жыл бұрын

@@elijahrincon3586 because they’re simply better than guys like Kobe and shaq

@teehiggins5734

2 жыл бұрын

@@elijahrincon3586 Kobe was WAYYY overrated he was ok at best in the playoffs, a complete ball hog, an overrated shooter, and the best aspect of his game was scoring and he isn’t even a top 5 scorer all time shaqs Close but had to short of a prime to be better than steph and KD

@andrewpriest2820

2 жыл бұрын

@@teehiggins5734 the day steph curry is better than shaq is the day i kill myself

@DTB1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@teehiggins5734 defense

@y2bangali

2 жыл бұрын

I understand why some people can get upset at seeing KD and Steph being ranked so high, but keep in mind that both of this guys had to go against LeBron, and was able to dominate at certain rare points in this LeBron era. The reason we rank LeBron so high is also due to the level of competition so we also have to his competition the same respect.

The thing is MJ's finals opponents were considered weak (for his standards) apart from maybe Phoenix or the Supersonics. But the road to getting each of those finals might've been tougher matchups overall. Also the Jazz were healthy coming into the finals in 1997 and 1998 against MJ with the flu and the year after Scottie being injured, so I wouldn't say the Bulls had 'easy' finals matchups to start with.

@xavierd725

Жыл бұрын

HIV magic, clyde drexler choking, solid suns team, mid sonics squad, and two jazz teams full of chokers

@chief6541

Жыл бұрын

mj beat more 60-win teams in the playoffs than any other player

@R4nk3rz

Жыл бұрын

@@chief6541number of games won dont mean anything, kd warriors didnt even win 60 games in 2019 and they still would beat almost any team ever

@colebresnehen38

Жыл бұрын

@@chief6541 that doesn’t say everything though considering the amount of shitty expansion teams in the 90’s who were considered free wins

@jarlbalgruuf7701

Жыл бұрын

The Eastern conference was considered tougher in Jordan era compared to lebrons Era where the Eastern conference was weak was even nicknamed the “Leastern Conference”

his list 12-Tim Duncan 0:23 11-Kobe Bryant 1:30 10-Wilt Chamberlin 3:24 9-Shaquille Oneal 5:18 8-Larry Bird 7:18 7-Stephen Curry 10:10 6-Kevin Durant 12:12 5-Magic Johnson 14:04 4-Hakeem Olajuwon 16:18 3-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 18:28 2-Michael Jordan 21:24 1-Lebron James 25:35

@spaceghostflame3500

Жыл бұрын

thanks so much

@glenn7152

Жыл бұрын

Where in hell is Dr.J"!

@glennphillips7639

Жыл бұрын

@@glenn7152 nice name

@someshsaharan5813

Жыл бұрын

KD over Steph is a joke

@tvrroraddict

Жыл бұрын

my biggest problem is that as a knicks fan don't give me hate here that bill russel isn't on here and wilt is I get that wilts numbers may be better but nobody has dominated basketball like bill russel ever

I appreciate his point about bigs not being able to initiate the offense. It's what makes players like Durant, Giannnis, and Joker so valuable. They keep the size advantage and the ability to shoot over anyone while still having the ball in there hands to start the offense.

@y2bangali

2 жыл бұрын

I know KD is basically a 7 footer but he’s far from a big. He’s literally a wing player because of his size+frame. Can’t really bunch him up with Giannis and Jokic as being a big when KD is likely the easiest 7footer that any big can back down.

@ILLUSI_O_N-V1

2 жыл бұрын

@@y2bangali there’s a reason that KD is a SF at 7 fucking feet tall 😂

@the757general2

2 жыл бұрын

KD is hardly a big. He might be near 7 foot, but he's too skinny to be considered a big. LeBron is way bigger than KD despite both playing the same position.

@Jollofmuncher2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@the757general2 yep. Tend to be muscly maybe a bit chunky while kd is the most lanky dude in the nba. Works to his advantage but he's more of a sg

This dude has genuinely got really good reasons for all his placements.

@bibim0

2 жыл бұрын

Even though you disagree, you still want to watch. That's good content right there.

@DMVGREY

2 жыл бұрын

Hes the only person to make me reconsider the lebron goat case

@andrewarnold9751

2 жыл бұрын

Right? I don’t agree with the order of all of the players on this list. I don’t disagree with the rationale or arguments he makes though. At all.

@mrpoopybutthole2269

2 жыл бұрын

You can make anything sound good if you only say positive points to make your arguments sound good for example he talked about Jordan competition in the finals but he didn’t talk about the road to the finals where Mj and Kobe faced more 50+ wins teams then Lebron have even though he’s played longer

@mrpoopybutthole2269

2 жыл бұрын

Also imagine if Jordan just left and joined the rockets back in the day like of course they would win every year who was Miami suppose to lose to when Lebron joined them realistically?? Nobody

The unwavering commitment to Tom Brady slander is what keeps bringing me back to this channel

@tjkale1800

11 ай бұрын

Y’all are weird asf

I appreciate how you add real context to your evaluation of players. All the good, and all the bad. Respect.

Magic Johnson is writing a book to raise awareness about how to avoid HIV. Chapter 1? “Don’t Have Sex with Me.” - Norm Macdonald

I like lebron more than MJ but MJ has the most interesting stat i’ve seen. Jxmyhighroller made a vid on this but there was a crazy stat someone noticed about MJ. He went 9 straight years without losing 3 games in a row. Beside his own teammates no other player has come close. Goes to show how much this man despised losing,

@sehapoul7097

2 жыл бұрын

I mean LeBron kinda played with a Cavs team that lets just say wasnt the best

@moneyiscool29

2 жыл бұрын

@@sehapoul7097 He just made the finals cuz east sucked.

@ballsballsballs3617

2 жыл бұрын

@@moneyiscool29 how the fuck did the east suck?? The Celtics big 3? The raptors were young but derozan has proved this yesr he always been elite the raptors just couldn’t overcome lebron which is very u understandable and an elite Paul George in a scrappy packers team like dude that’s such a weak ass excuse

@tmcwas3717

2 жыл бұрын

@@sehapoul7097 he also played in an east where I could lead them to the playoffs

@federalfreemoneylackofrese9937

2 жыл бұрын

You sure you would at 23?

It’s wild how so many people online have Kobe as their 1-3 pick when there’s no real objective metric for having him that high

Steph led golden state to another ring and was the best player during the finals. His spot on this list is solidified

@darkmasage

Жыл бұрын

Not at number 7 he’s top 15 tho

This is probably the strongest case for Hakeem being top five I've ever seen and I'm someone who also has him there

@mike04574

2 жыл бұрын

Top 8 at best

@ivanpuzjak821

2 жыл бұрын

@@mike04574 Great argumentation.

@mike04574

2 жыл бұрын

@@ivanpuzjak821 common sense, no need for any arguments. Never seen him in a top3 or 4 before either

@krosses7156

2 жыл бұрын

@@mike04574 appealing to common sense is fallacious reasoning

@mike04574

2 жыл бұрын

@@krosses7156 then you can be the odd one out putting hakeem in your top 3 or whatever then. take 10 seconds to look at the guys above him and you'll know why they are above hakeem

I love that even with the number 3 player ever, you still had a shitload of criticism. Very enjoyable video.

I was gonna argue Wilt's ranking but you bring up good points about the pace of play and him playing worse in the playoffs, those are valid criticisms, I just hate when people knock him cause of his competition, like he should be penalized for being a physical and athletic freak. It's not his fault that there were no other guys walking the Earth at that time that had his combination of size, strength and athleticism. Extreme example but lets say there was some 8ft freak that came into the league today and put up Wilt like stats for 15 years. Should we downplay it or penalize him just cause he is physically more dominant than everybody else? I don't think so.

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

I think you have to consider the average talent level of the entire league of each era. Sports in general have many more highly talented players now than back in Wilt’s prime. As another extreme example, there was a time in football when they thought an onside kick could be a better offensive tool than the forward pass. Players are just better and coaches are just smarter now, and would likely (although not definitely) compete with Wilt better than the players back then, if for no other reason than better strategy. He’s a wonderful player to watch, though, and my grandmother said he was even more wonderful in bed.

@universalplayz7496

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rekcha well no one in the modern Era is a better athletic then wilt so idk why the Era argument even matters. Also he had to play a HOF center 60 times a year that's something no one does today

@VelaniTheOne

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rekcha Bill Russell, John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, Sam Jones, Bob Pettit, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Walt Bellamy, Kareem, and Willis Reed, so yeah, a bunch of talentless nobodies. You can only dominate the competition ahead of you, what more can you expect?

@MovieGuy666

Жыл бұрын

@@Rekcha noope... the modern players would be restricted by the rules of that era, a lot of the things that make them great weren't even around back then. Your whole people are smarter today is nonsense.

@slivovitz1683

Жыл бұрын

​@@universalplayz7496 stop believing myths wilt himself started. There's no footage of him demonstrating athletic ability beyond the athletic big men in the games history and today

I’d like to see what your list would look like now after about a year has gone by and with Curry winning another ring

@rolltide9897

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I was looking for

@JRGT9

Жыл бұрын

And Lebron being the all-time leading scorer. Even though I guess that wouldn’t change his rank

Tim Duncan needs to be higher. He did it on both sides of the ball and was a phenomenal leader. 5 rings 3FMVP 2 MVP ROY 15X AS 15X All NBA 15X All Defense. Not a chance in hell this guy is outside the top 10. Averaged 15-9 in the 2014 playoffs at 37! years old and won the championship. He has a winning percentage of 72% over his entire career!! Made the playoffs every single year. Arguably one of the best careers ever, while doing it in the modern NBA. You state he would be higher if he had a more "dominate peak" which you only talked about his scoring and there is a lot more to basketball than that.

@goodman9968

3 жыл бұрын

0:09 He said he focused mostly on their peak when making this list. u deaf?

@jamman950

3 жыл бұрын

@@goodman9968 it should be peak and longevity

@itzmjay9175

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamman950 he said peak and longevity throughout the video….

@johncena4096

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDudeAbides1998 nice joke

@imfrederic2312

2 жыл бұрын

Duncan also has a winning record against every single team in the NBA

I agree with almost everything on this list and I think MJ vs LeBron at this point is just based on opinion and what stats you think are most important. I also like how you had KD and Curry in the top 10 because whether people want to admit it or not, this era is so much harder than the 60s,70s,80s and people tend to overrate old players just because they are old players.

@mathamsettysreeprajwal1535

2 жыл бұрын

Old heads tend to make the best players of their generation look perfect and like to diss onkdern players and talk as if their era was hardest

@Gabriel-cg9tj

2 жыл бұрын

I mean Kd doesn’t deserve 6tho rather upper 10… he isn’t good alone and a pussy mentally

@brianbentz9143

2 жыл бұрын

Or curry is just top ten

@king-ghost1027

2 жыл бұрын

TD, & kobe are in the top 8,, idc what anybody says,, kobe and Duncan are better than shaq and wilt

@georgecastle18

2 жыл бұрын

@@king-ghost1027 yeah those are the only two I was a little confused about

I also have Hakeem in my top 5 so when I saw the #4 i was so excited to see someone else views him factually like I do.

This video is crazy to listen to about Steph after his 2022 Finals MVP

@nonsodrake8585

Жыл бұрын

well now steph is higher than magic

@gamerzleague7658

Жыл бұрын

@@nonsodrake8585Hell No

Putting Tim Duncan number 12 is blasphemious

@Trevor10248

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah lmao

@kcartiertalksball

2 жыл бұрын

based on his criteria that’s right abt where he should be

@allensalinas23

2 жыл бұрын

No

@Clutchassassin

2 жыл бұрын

@@kcartiertalksball he's top 10 in rebounds and blocks and he won 3 final mvps

@kcartiertalksball

2 жыл бұрын

@@Clutchassassin the criteria wasn’t total rebounds and final mvps read the criteria and rethink what you said

I don’t agree with some of it, but I’m not nearly as knowledgable as you or anybody else so I can’t defend myself outside the realm of personal preference. Anyways, you’re lists make me think, make me wonder, and sometimes, convince me. Awesome vid! Lol, still snuck in a Brady insult. Love it.

@harleyinglis1357

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the things were manipulated though he left out parts like MJ team before pippen MJs best statistical seasons and playoff runs while adding it in for lebron and other players when it suited lebron or other players best best, not to mention leaving out defense when it suited the player he wanted to rank high and adding the fact they were poor defensively for instance magic johnson being low because of his sub-par defense when he was trying to defend his position. There was very little consistency when arguing his positions sometimes longevity was more important sometimes accolades and sometimes versitility even though that means nothing it is what you do with that versitility.

@-ac-8296

2 жыл бұрын

The author of this video is wrong on so many levels, he knows next to nothing

@Rekcha

2 жыл бұрын

@@-ac-8296 This is a sentence that accidentally perfectly describes its own creator.

@-ac-8296

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rekcha your sentence describes you its creator? It's strange for you to use circular self referencing

Great take at the end

The analysis is great… I have a few small differences and one big one, but the breakdown you give is legit. I love your videos.

I don't know much of anything about basketball as I've only very casually followed it for a few years but your reasoning was extremely sound.

Houston chose Hakeem and no one blames the organization. That's how good he was.

Great list. A few things I would change: Tim Duncan is at least one behind or above Curry. Both had great team success and are considered great teammates. Curry is a better offensive player but Duncan is one of the best defenders ever. I would completely remove Durant. His career would be similar to Karl Malone's if he never joined the Warriors. He is extremely talented but it's proven that he cannot lead a team to a championship without another Top 10 All-Timer on his team. I think Bill Russell should be on the list. Yes, he played on a stacked team, but he was clearly the best player. 11 championships in 13 years is unbelievable, and if they gave out DPOY then he would have at least 10, which is insane. Yes, there were only like 8 teams, but it can be argued Russell was a more dominant player than Wilt. Honorable Mention: Jerry West. He had the worst streak of luck in NBA championship history besides maybe LeBron. He put up insane stats and stepped up in the playoffs, and until Wilt joined the Lakers, he had no great big man in a league and style that required a great one. There was also no 3 point line, and he still averaged 30+ in the Finals while being 6'4 and WHITE. His game would translate to any era, and he is probably the only player from that era that could have had a better career if he came along later.

@thecrazynodak

Ай бұрын

Go watch Barry's "All-Time Most Overrated NBA Players" and you'll see why Russell isn't on here - and I 100% agree with him on why Russell doesn't belong

Your point about KD is understandable. But just being an extremely talented scorer doesn't mean you should be put above someone like Duncan or Kobe, who as you explained had their struggles etc but achieved much more than KD. In fact, it proves that talent isn't everything. Others, though being less talented, had far more grit and determination to win.

@jonnstewart2023

Жыл бұрын

Funny how u wouldn't make this argument about grit, had KD actually had teams on their level

@abishaikothapalli1648

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnstewart2023 teams on whose level?

@jonnstewart2023

Жыл бұрын

@@abishaikothapalli1648 he said others so I'm assuming he's talking about most of the consensus top 10 guys

Good list. Did wilt a little dirty though. It’s impossible to say how he’d do today, but I like to believe he would be a top 2-3 player. Winning finals MVP his final season too.

@mobge3904

2 жыл бұрын

This is a terrible list are you stupid

@anonymousaccount9694

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta keep in mind team impact wily is not a team guy

@kurtcounty8703

2 жыл бұрын

Shaq higher than wilt is atrocious

I genuinely don’t understand why you don’t get more views/subs

@WarrenJr1996

3 жыл бұрын

Because he needs to do more content like this instead of trolling all the time. He has serious data analysis talent

@JServo

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed with above^ I can't imagine the effort time and talent that goes into producing narrating and editing this stuff but as funny as Barry trolls are on Twitter his talent in this regard really deserves more mass appeal. Like, nationally.. but, for better or worse.. his reputation proceeds him.

@antonioiniguez1615

3 жыл бұрын

@@JServo I've documented how far every one of Brady's completed passes traveled in all of his SBs and other stuff like that and it takes forever. Barry does that all the time for many different players and for different sports. It's insane.

@antonioiniguez1615

3 жыл бұрын

@@lightning10053 he's definitely very football smart. He knows what he's talking about. He's not a lunatic like Stephen A. Smith is.

@WarrenJr1996

3 жыл бұрын

I think Barry and the basketball channel “thinking basketball” would be a great collab.

This is still my favorite Barry analysis video. I’d even argue it’s his best critical one also

I never comment and I think MJ is the GOAT but damn dude great stuff. Best all time great list and commentary I’ve ever heard. I also like Tom Brady but it’s hard to argue such great points had me rethinking the whole MJ/Lebron debate.

How is Duncan #12 by all of these criteria? He is arguably the top of longevity (2nd most all NBA teams + most all defensive teams ever. 15 each for a combined 30 which is the highest All NBA + All Def combo ever). His competition level was great: Shaq, KG, Dirk, Kobe, LeBron, KD. Playoff performance try being the Spurs best player for 4 championship runs (99. 03, 05. 07). His 03 playoff run was one of the biggest carry jobs of all time. Peak is the only area where I could see the case for not top 10. The rest he is easily top 10. Also, lol at Curry being above Bird.

@AJ-sl7be

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevemenzies3822 no

@ImMeE19

2 жыл бұрын

He said kd was better than Tim all time ..

@indmslikedeez8005

2 жыл бұрын

@@AJ-sl7be yes. Duncan is 2-1 against him in the finals (should be 3-0), more chips, defensive teams, better leader, teammate, could play in any system, won a chip in each decade, bron is nowhere near Duncan plz stop

@samn.3457

2 жыл бұрын

curry is better than bird....

@eternalboss1046

2 жыл бұрын

@@samn.3457 lol no

Duncan slander: all around on offense, one of the best defenders ever, won 70% of his games, never missed the playoffs for damn near 20 years. Dude is a winner

@producedbykhireyakeem4340

2 жыл бұрын

And what that mean? Duncan’s last couple of seasons suck

@txboy2276

2 жыл бұрын

@@producedbykhireyakeem4340 like most people’s last seasons don’t? please explain how amazing mj was on the wizards

@the757general2

2 жыл бұрын

@@producedbykhireyakeem4340 yeah no. He made an All-NBA team in his 18th season.

@grasssanta5936

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, Duncan has many incredible accomplishments not to mention the level of competition he faced regularly, with teammates that are nowhere near as great as other teammates that top 10-12 greats played with, while also playing in one of the slowest paced decades in NBA history on one of the slowest paced teams as well and remaining a consistent threat on both defense and offense for nearly 20 years

I like this guy's style...instant subscribe lol 👌🏿

Barry, do you plan to redo this video with a new list of all-time best NBA players? I'm asking because you said in a more recent video that Shaq is better than Hakeem

Duncan's peak productivity is lowered by his team being the slowest paced in the league. Per possession, he's actually right there with a lot of the other all-time great bigs. He's also better than Kobe and should be above Shaq, KD, Curry, and probably Hakeem. I always argue for Hakeem being in the top 10, which isn't the most popular opinion in itself, but top 4 is just too high. How he's above Magic is just insane. Sorry, but actually accomplishing things matters more than not being the reason you didn't accomplish something. Offensively Magic had a better career FG% as a PG than Hakeem did as a C and it's not because all he did was get lay ups and dunks. People talk like Magic was Ben Simmons or something. He was a career 85% FT shooter who in his last 3 seasons started shooting 3's more regularly and shot them respectfully for the time. Everyone is so quick to insist Mike would have developed a 3 in the modern game, but seem to think that Magic wouldn't have despite the fact he was actually a very good shooter (albeit with an awful looking form). Don't even get me started on the advanced stats you love to throw out there when they're in your favor. Magic buries Hakeem in those. And if you can't even find a spot for Bill Russell and have Tim Duncan outside the top-10 I just don't want to hear about defense from you. Steph and KD are way too high.

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

How is duncan out of top 10 and hakeem was a better defender and scorer also post game and mid range and peak, probably one of the best playoff runs in history, has the edge in longveity. The only thing magic was better at then hakeem was obviously passing

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

I hate when people say magic is ben simmons. There game isn't even close lol

@nameless8435

Жыл бұрын

Agree with everything

Something that’s a major pet peeve of mine when it comes to all time ranking discussions is how people will discredit the 60s and 70s to undermine wilt, bill and Kareem but won’t acknowledge just how watered down the 90s were with talent especially in comparison to the 2000s onward. I get it, the media, the NBA and the fans loved and adored MJ be genuinely speaking it is impossible to have an actual objective discussion about the man with anyone who likes him.

@thedude7596

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a stigma that you had to get through the Great Wall of china to score in the 90s

@MarkAtTrees

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedude7596 Yeah, but it was a more defensive era that didn't have the same spacing and rules favoring offensive players that you see today. Prime Jordan would feast on today's spacing.

@MovieGuy666

Жыл бұрын

@@thedude7596 people mistake the 90's for the 80's, 80's was a far rougher decade than the 90's.

@JT-km6th

Жыл бұрын

90s was a slow paced defensive era, not many players stood out. Had MJ not existed, so many more teams would've won chips. He literally is so much better than everyone around him it makes us question his entire era. But not in a Wilt way because the major reason he was so much better is because his opposition were getting ready to clock in at the construction site in an hour.

@jonnstewart2023

Жыл бұрын

@@MovieGuy666 and in that decade MJ had better stats , was more athletic and better defensively but didn't have a good enough team to win so you're making the argument for MJ

great list!!

Oy Barry, you're gonna have to update this list, lol

My top ten is 1. MJ 2. Bron 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Larry 6. Wilt 7. Kobe 8. Timmy 9. Shaq 10. Hakeem 11. Steph 12. KD Basically the ppl he mentioned re arranged

@nasirulrich2148

2 жыл бұрын

Hakeem at 10 is so disrespectful See no matter where you put everyone someones gonna be mad

@jakeronquillo2134

2 жыл бұрын

I respect wilt

@TheTonytone77

2 жыл бұрын

Ur list is far better then his minus lebron

@gregkareem9824

2 жыл бұрын

Switch kd and steph on 11 and 12 and bird Switch with magic 4 5 and were good

@gregkareem9824

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheTonytone77 found a Bron hater living rent free on yo head

"Bill Russell overrated" time to educate casuals on NBA history: The Celtics the year before Russell arrived (55/56): Lost E. Div. Semis. Red was coach, and they had Cousy + Sharman + McCauley + Risen. The Celtics the 1st year Russell arrived (56/57): They lose McCauley, Defensive rating improves by 7.7, and they win the finals. The Celtics had never won a title or made a finals prior to this. The Celtics the 2nd year with Russell (57/58): Make the finals, Russell gets hurt in game 3 of the finals, and the Celtics lose the finals. RIsen's last year. Sam Jones first year. (58 to 66) The Celtics 8 peat. Throughout this time Sharman leaves and they keep winning. Havlicek yet to arrive for some of these titles, and Cousy gone for some of them and they still kept winning. Red retires as coach in 66. The Celtics 11th year with Russell (66/67): They Lost E. Div. Finals. This marks the only playoff series in Russell's NBA career that his team lost with him healthy for the full series. The Celtics win the title Russell’s last 2 years and Red was no longer the coach. The first year after Russell retires. (68/69): Their defensive rating gets worse by 9.8 and they miss the playoffs. *Took the Celtics 5 years after Russell to make and win another finals. Celtics with Russell titles won without notable pieces: Without Jones: 1 title Without Sharman: 7 titles Without Cousy: 5 titles Without Risen: 9 titles Without Havlicek: 6 titles Without Heinsohn: 3 titles Without coach Red: 2 titles (Russell was actually the coach for these while being a player) The Celtics were not champions before Russell, were as soon as he arrived, and fell off immediately after Russell left. This was also with a lot of notables coming and going. Jones and Red were the only most of career major pieces with Russell and the Russell lead Celtics still managed titles without them in the small windows without them. None of these notables won a title or made a finals in Boston without Russell being with them. The Celtics employed more of an equal opportunity offense without having 1 player taking a massive amount of shots or having high PPG. Regardless if offensive talents came or left they kept racking up rings with Russell anchoring the defense and facilitating the fast break, being a secondary coach to Red on the floor, and then for the last 2 rings being the actual coach. Russell's FG% was actually a little over average relative to his era, and he is arguably the greatest defender ever and greatest leader ever + being a MT. Rushmore rebounder. He was just not a dominant scorer over his career, but him being that would not have made his team better, and he actually lead his team in the finals 3 times in scoring when they needed it.

@rhythmlessroxby

3 жыл бұрын

Extremely well put, thank you for this

@eternalboss1046

3 жыл бұрын

@@rhythmlessroxby You're welcome and thank you for taking the time to read it.

@ckq

3 жыл бұрын

Weak era.

@ZyperSide

3 жыл бұрын

To add on, the NBA 25th Anniversary Team was selected by a panel consisting of Red Auerbach, Ned Irish, Eddie Gottlieb, Haskell Cohen, Danny Biasone, Lester Harrison, Fred Zollner, Ben Kerner, Fred Schaus, and Bob Feerick. Then the 25 nominees were voted on by the players who had been named 1st Team All-NBA up to that point. Bill Russell was the only unanimous selection to the team, and only players who had completed their careers and had been named All-NBA at least once were eligible. Russell was also selected as the greatest player on the NBA 35th Anniversary Team.

@goddammitnappa1617

3 жыл бұрын

@@ckq yes, bc bill or any other player in history has complete control over the era in which they played in.

The Duncan, curry, & Durant placements are pretty insane to me but this is still a great detailed video.

It's funny you don't mention how lebron joined 3 different super teams to win his rings

@c14nonyt85

Жыл бұрын

It’s funny how lebron is still extending his career and now has more points than anyone ever in the nba while still being overrated and he didn’t even take a 2 year baseball break.

@iiamsopoorakashi8122

Жыл бұрын

Please tell me all the “superteams” he joined, im listeneing

@c14nonyt85

Жыл бұрын

The only one is the heat

@OddpepperL

11 ай бұрын

MJ’s Bulls WAS the super team. So this argument is invalid.

@steezsteezsteez

11 ай бұрын

​@@c14nonyt85bro longevity stats are bs its a testament to ur greatness and deffo a feat but if you really favour longevity as much as u bron fans do then you believe jason terry>larry bird

You should get on undisputed to convince skip bayless

Good video, man. I appreciate the research you did to come to these conclusions.

Great videos

Barry u should make u a follow up or an update to this vid considering your opinion on Hakeem has changed idk I think it be interesting we’re u rank him now and to see how your list would b different and would give you some EZ content, other than great vid

I mostly agree with this list, I only disagree about these, Tim Duncan, Wilt and Possibky Kobe. Here are my reasons Tim Duncan: He should be higher according to ur criteria. Longevity: Check. Playoff Performance: Check. Team Success: Check. Peak: Check-ish. Wilt: I don’t think he should be listed on any list because of the unknown. We make so much assumptions about him... He played in a very old era which there wasn’t many social medias and some stats weren’t recorded. So it’s hard to rank him. Kobe: I think he can be number 11. The stats doesn’t favor Kobe at all. He didn’t have a long career because of his Achilles injury. I might argue he should be higher than Shaq. Also, not related but this is my take on “ifs” in ranking players. What if’s should be off the conversation because it’s all about bias and it would be extremely hard to rank. Like if ur a Jordan fan you would probably say what IF he didn’t retire for baseball look at how many rings he would have and they would also say what IF he got the modern medicine and treatment as today. And if you’re a Lebron fan you would be like What IF the warriors didn’t exist? What if Lebron got the teammates Jordan had? See this is the problem, if ur a Jordan fan you would only bring up what if’s about Jordan and if ur a Lebron fan you would only bring up what IFS about Lebron to make the argument whose better.

@codyrhoudes379

2 жыл бұрын

kobe played 20 years

@codyrhoudes379

2 жыл бұрын

and his injury was year 16

@codyrhoudes379

2 жыл бұрын

@Coregame3 i was disagreeing with the post agreeing with you.

@codyrhoudes379

2 жыл бұрын

@@Coregame3 one comment up ⬆️

@gregkareem9824

2 жыл бұрын

Nigga wrote a whole paragraph just to explain his listening it's never that serious 😭😭😂💀

Nice list. Huge Hakeem fan so its nice to see him this high on the list

Kinda sad Dr. J didn't make the list, and I was hoping so when he had mentioned the ABA stealing the NBA's talent, which is true, but it's fine. Though the 3x Champion, 4x MVP (3 of them being in a row), 2x Finals MVP, 3x Scoring Champion, as well as one of the best wing defenders of all-time. Not to mention how good he was in the playoffs as well as the Finals. He definitely does deserve some recognition.

Hakeem was definitely the best center ever. If Shaq had cared to be in shape or learn to hit a free throw, I'd consider him. But The Dream was just so much of a complete player.

People aren’t gonna like the Kobe ranking

@Howdidhenotseeme

3 жыл бұрын

Neither steph nor kd are greater than Kobe lmao

@dubs6847

3 жыл бұрын

@@kckc7140 Curry is way better than Kobe though

@dubs6847

3 жыл бұрын

@@Howdidhenotseeme ??????

@Howdidhenotseeme

3 жыл бұрын

@@dubs6847 what? You’re wrong

@ochitokes

3 жыл бұрын

@@dubs6847 foh

Tim ducan at 12 are u serious the man has 5 rings 2 mvps a defensive god he didn’t want to score 30 points a game he wanted to win and Kobe at 11 come on bruh

@Andrew-tl1jl

2 жыл бұрын

Tim Duncan: I agree with you Kobe: He gets overrated not saying he wasn’t great. Most of the statistics doesn’t favor him and his criteria doesn’t favor him either

@cluckboy_55games69

2 жыл бұрын

Kobe overrated

Love how he explains his choices in depth.

now that Steph won we need an update video Barry

4:21 Look at Wilt casually blocking "the most unstoppable shot of all time.

@sdmurphy20

2 жыл бұрын

It's the wilt thing to do

@JMC786

Жыл бұрын

It was goal tending

Man, my list is close to yours, if only some differences, but your explanation is so good that I think I am going to change my all time list :v

Great video overall

I like your list for the most apart and even with spots I disagree with I understand your context, all except for Curry and kd highness and Timmy and Kobe’s lowness. I feel like what you said Curry and kd blemishes are things Kobe and Timmy make. And as talents I agree with thier ranking I feel like their accolades are not on pare and help that they have is far better to not put him in this top 10.

@Jqles

Жыл бұрын

yeah it’s honestly a pretty solid list but i think Tim not being in top 10 while Hakeem is on Mt Rushmore isn’t right. Tim was a better player and overcame many great teams whereas Hakeem was a fantastic player but couldn’t quite get over the hump with less great teams. I think the reasoning was a bit flawed since he said the 90s era was very watered down compared to the 2000s and up but gave Hakeem, who underperformed in a watered down era, a higher ranking than the guy that stopped Bron from winning a lot of rings

I do not agree with the entire list but he has very solid reasons for all his picks. Great content.👍

Sometimes I feel as though you contradict yourself with some points when it came to different players. However, I really respect this list, Mr. McCockiner.

This man takes “never let them know your next move” to a whole other level

Great video. The Hakeem respect is real.

Duncan and Kobe outside of the top 10..... bro you're crazy

@christianrobitaille2285

2 жыл бұрын

I understand Kobe but not Duncan

@1Jivan642

2 жыл бұрын

I mean he literally gave you his criteria though. Based on that, it makes sense. I personally have a dude with 5 rings way higher but, as I said, Timmy is where he is on this list because that's the criteria.

@manniesupasport7977

2 жыл бұрын

KD & Steph is not top 10 Hakeem is not top 10 Kobe is top 5 Duncan is top 7 LeBron is not the GOAT

@rlmalonzo1184

2 жыл бұрын

@@manniesupasport7977 hakeem is definitely top 10. Kobe wasn't top 5...I had Magic, Kareem, Lebron, Bird and Jordan over him This list is fair

@manniesupasport7977

2 жыл бұрын

@@rlmalonzo1184 Hakeem is #11 on my list He is not top 10 greatest ever, he is 11-15 range like KD & Steph. You can’t just look at stats (Wilt, Oscar) or just look at accolades (Duncan, B. Russell) when making a GOAT list. You definitely can’t use your feelings either (Kobe, LeBron, KD) Stats, Accolades, Eye Test, Era played, & Longevity come into play when ranking the greatest ever Objectivity & Facts Over Feelings, Fanboys, & Haters Some So called fans rank Kobe outside top 10 (disrespectful) because they don’t like Kobe personally and some want to build up LeBron. Also because of Colorado incident. Kobe is top 5

I honestly think the number one spot is a toss between Lebron and Jordan, just a matter of preference. Prime Seasons The two are so close( REALLY CLOSE) during their best years (age23-29 seasons) advanced stats wise. Lebron(30.1 PER, .283 WS/48) vs MJ (30.4 PER , .285 WS/48) The difference is so minimal I’d say it’s a tie. Playoff Success Although LeBrons 10 finals appearances is crazy, I think MJs 6-0 finals record gives him the edge in terms of playoff success. Regular Season Accolades This can be a little bit misleading, as I think accolades involves narrative and luck factor, rather than just pure on the court contributions of a player. It’s close, but I’d still take Jordan in this one because he has one more MVP and a DPOY. (I do believe LeBron should have won at least one more MVP and a DPOY in 2013) Longevity LeBron definitely gets an edge in this department.

@jv4mvp

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnshogskins4443 as much as I love Bird he aint even close to MJ and LeBron. Definitely top 10 all time though.

@Mr.Oct___

Жыл бұрын

You think Lebron should have won one more mvp but Jordan should be sitting at 5??

1. Michael Jordan 6 FMVP + 5 MVP 🏆 2. Lebron James 4 FMVP + 4 MVP 🏆 3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 2 FMVP + 6 MVP 🏆 4. Magic Johnson 3 FMVP + 3 MVP 🏆 5. Larry Bird 2 FMVP + 3 MVP 🏆 6. Wilt Chamberlain FMVP + 4 MVP 🏆 7. Bill Russell 5 MVP 🏆 8. Tim Duncan 3 FMVP + 2 MVP 🏆 9. Shaquille O'Neal 3 FMVP + MVP 🏆 10. Kobe Bryant 2 FMVP + MVP 🏆 10. Hakeem Olajuwon 2 FMVP + MVP 🏆

Would you put steph over magic now? I personally wouldn’t but I want to know if you would

Curry at 7 and KD at 6 🤣 I CAN’T are you sure you watch basketball?

@allensalinas23

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Datboijb

2 жыл бұрын

he gives facts for why ther are placed they’re and how they changed the game are u sure u watch basketball? or espn? or undisputed? or listen to former nba players talk about KD and steph?

@gggyy7104

2 жыл бұрын

@@Datboijb the ‘facts’ are nothing but opinions

@gggyy7104

2 жыл бұрын

@@Datboijb changing the game means nilch

@Datboijb

2 жыл бұрын

@@gggyy7104 really? showing what they averaged in playoff series and in finals are opinions? are u dumb?

Disagree with a few of these including your #1 but respect your honesty and your analysis of the sport

I appreciate the explanations and thought you put into your list. It's refreshing to see someone attempt a top 10/12 list while doing their best not to show bias towards certain eras. I'm interested how you would rearrange these rankings after this year. Since Steph carried the Warriors to a finals win and won finals MVP, I'm assuming you would bump him ahead of at least Durant and maybe Magic as well to #5 overall. Does the Lakers horrific season knock Lebron back to #2 (where I feel he probably should have been ranked anyways), or is he set in stone at #1 in your mind regardless of how his career ends? Are there any other active players in the league knocking on the door to your top 12? I would imagine that Giannis and Doncic are the only ones who may enter the conversation in the foreseeable future.

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL. Mj is GOAT, but damn this man (channel) is A-tier creator

I would of add that KD's real obstacles in his Championship runs were the two conference finals he made with Golden State. As he faced an unhealthy San Antonio and Houston

@imnotcreativeenoughh

2 жыл бұрын

Unhealthy San Antonio......thats an interesting way of saying "sabotaged by Zaza Pachulia" Sorry.....still really bitter about that. Lost the series and started the poison entering Kawhi's mind to become a spineless traitor.

@twoswords5524

2 жыл бұрын

@@imnotcreativeenoughh Man i feel you. in the regular season that year, the Spurs swept that warriors team.

@imnotcreativeenoughh

2 жыл бұрын

@@twoswords5524 1 of 2 missing rings for that Dyansty....the other being obvious.

You’re an inspiration

The LBJ 🍆 🚴🏾 never stops lol

One of the best lists I’ve seen

While I don’t completely agree with the list, This was a great video! 👍

@Xavier-fy9jw

2 жыл бұрын

facts mj over lebron curry over kd and tim duncan and kobe should be higher

I think you underestimate defense too much. The guys at the bottom were all-time great defenders who were also great offensively and the guys on top were all-time great scorers who weren't good defensively (with a few exceptions). Also you talk about LeBrons competition being what puts him over MJ...for most of his career he was in a laughably horrible Eastern conference where half the playoff teams wouldn't have been playoff teams in the west. I do respect this video though and I agree with some placements as well. And respect for putting KD and Steph on here

@oceaser6977

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Basketball is a 2 way sport and you can’t make a top 10 list without having major impact on both sides

finally list of best player base on actual stats...love this channel...

@MovieGuy666

Жыл бұрын

it wasn't actual stats it was a lot of conjecture and era bias.

@tsavageabbey

Жыл бұрын

Stat is a stat..it will be record forever...not like our comment about stats...

You can't just focus on Bird's scoring in the playoffs. Bird, like Magic, was more than content to defend, facilitate and rebound. Bird was also hobbled in 1988 playoffs with the back injury. Not making excuses, but those Pistons and 76ers teams were terrific defensive teams and the Showtime Lakers are probably the greatest team(s) of all time.

@rgood1204

Жыл бұрын

1983 Sixers would say NO to the Showtime Lakers seeing they swept them with Kareem still as a 22 and 8 player. Worthy loved to see Bird defend him.

@donshults7772

Жыл бұрын

@@rgood1204 and the 1980 and 1982 Sixers? Until the 76ers added three time NBA MVP Moses Malone, they were no match for Showtime. Moses was the ONLY center that could physically manhandle and neutralize Kareem. The big reason the Lakers failed to make the 1981 Finals is that Magic missed about 40 games and cost the Lakers a 1st round bye. They had to play a "mini" best of three series against Houston. Moses was too much and the Rockets narrowly beat LA and beat the remainder of a fairly weak Western Conference to reach the finals against Boston. The record reflects that Bird much preferred when matador Worthy was "guarding" him as opposed to Cooper.

@donshults7772

Жыл бұрын

@@rgood1204 in the three Lakers/Celtics Finals (1984,85.87) Bird: 25.3/11.1/4.6, Worthy: 22.2/4.7/3.1. Nothing against Worthy's skills, but he surely benefitted from a roster with Magic, Kareem, Wilkes and then Scott.

@mrho4speed

11 ай бұрын

@@donshults7772 The reason LA missed the 81 Finals is due to Magic's bad deciding game 6 at the Forum. Magic shot 2 for 14 and was 6 for 11 for free throws with 2 crucial misses late in the game and shot an air ball on LA's last possession!! In the 45 games Magic missed LA won 28 and only lost 17 = a 62.2 win%. And Magic came back in game 65 so Magic had 17 games to get ready for the playoffs.

@donshults7772

11 ай бұрын

@@mrho4speed my point being, that had LA won the West, they get the bye and don't need to play in the best of 3 against the team who had a three time MVP and the only player who could neutralize Kareem?

Mostly agree, but 1) Stockton and Malone are both the all-time leaders in career VORP and win shares at their positions. Malone is #2 in scoring and Stockton leads 2 of the 5 major categories by a country mile. Why aren't either top 12? 2) That makes Jordan's finals opponents pretty freakin good, though his team was stacked. Without Rodman, Jazz win easily. 3) Why consider team success AND fault players for being on stacked teams? Few non-stacked teams ever win.

@joemuller9148

2 жыл бұрын

@@arc283429 you're wrong. It's value compared with the league average.

@joemuller9148

2 жыл бұрын

@@arc283429 you still don't understand VORP! League average of PLAYERS, not backups. Both VORP and win shares attempt to mathematically combine points, rebounds, assists, etc. They differ somewhat in their calculation, but by either metric, Stockton had the best career of any point guard ever, and Malone had the best of any power forward ever.

@codylilley2668

2 жыл бұрын

@@joemuller9148 Malone is not better than Duncan dude

@musicandmagic909

2 жыл бұрын

Malone's only claim is that he has good career stats, but that's only because of A) John Stockton and B) Utah's offense running through him like clockwork. Why do you think Malone never left the Jazz until Stockton retired? I'm sure teams made very handsome offers to him over the years. Stockton made Malone, and Karl knew it deep down. But by the same token, that offense made Stockton as well. They were a team within the team, Stockton passing to Malone got them both on those all-time stat leaderboards. That being said, Stockton's issues are different. John Stockton didn't make the list because his career achievements and potential were hampered inherently by being a pure point guard. The only pure point guard on this list is Magic (who is also incredibly tall for a point guard, making a mismatch while the other team's smallest player has to guard him), who had elite offensive options on his team for the entire 1980's, one of which was another player in the GOAT conversation. Pure, facilitating point guards can't take over a game, only their teammates can - just like how great quarterbacks can't win on their own, neither can pure point guards. They can elevate a team with good play-calling and leadership for sure, but that elevation has a ceiling, and that ceiling is called "the rest of the team". Chris Paul only reached the finals because The Suns have a good team that he joined. Rajon Rondo hasn't sniffed consistent playoff success without Hall of Famers around him. Jason Kidd needed a good team around him. Steve Nash needed a good team around him, he could shoot very well but he was too short to take over a playoff game (much less a series) in the 2000's Western Conference because he couldn't get past both the Lakers and San Antonio; either The Lakers would guard him to death, or Pop's defense would ice him and his weapons out. Isiah Thomas, Steph Curry, and Allen Iverson could all score on their own, but only one of them is ringless because of the team, or lack thereof, surrounding them. One time is an accident, twice is a coincidence, but three times is a pattern, and that many elite point guards coming up short for the same reasons is too much to ignore. Winning is important in GOAT debates, and Stockton didn't / couldn't win.

@kenan-b

2 жыл бұрын

@@joemuller9148 vorp and win shares both take into account their insane longevity and reward it, but their peaks as players are not on the level of anyone in this video. Malone maybe you could argue who was a solid mvp caliber player, but definitely not Stockton. Stockton was just great for a really really long time, but he wasn't *all time great* like the others present in the video. Given that both VORP and total win shares take into account games played, I'd say no, Stockton isn't even a top 5 point guard of all time, unless you are looking at solely at longevity

Wilt was all fadeaway shots and finger rolls. He was basically Dirk and Shaq rolled into 1 player except could play 48 minutes a night. Tell me how that doesn’t translate to any era. He blocked the skyhook 2 times in 1 play, look it up on KZread.

I guess the order depends on how much do u value each goat criteria.

You forgot to mention that when jordan first left the bulls added players including tony. It wasnt like the bulls were the exact same team when Jordan left. And i dont think the competition was weak in the 90s

@DeosPraetorian

2 жыл бұрын

Weak compared to today

@retrosoul8770

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeosPraetorian false. He just has a typical recency bias that he's spreading to other younger ppl. It sucks. And the bulls roster was pretty much entirely changed from the 1st to 2nd 3 peat.

@Phos7x

2 жыл бұрын

@@retrosoul8770 you're out of your fucking mind if you think any team in the 90s are beating the 2014 spurs or the KD warriors. 2014 spurs literally played systematically perfect textbook basketball and KD warriors had 5 all stars as starters.

@retrosoul8770

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phos7x unlike you I'm not going to fantasize on hypotheticals, we'll never know for sure how teams would of competed against each other against different eras and different rules. Every era of basketball was worthy and competitive full of great athletes. The *only* era that may fall under the rest is arguably the 70s because of the split between the NBA and ABA and other factors. If the kd warriors were so unfair then the trade should have been blocked the way Cp was blocked from playing with Kobe.

@thesharinganknight9859

Жыл бұрын

@@retrosoul8770 nah you’re smoking dick if you think any team in the 90‘s is washing the top teams today. Almost every team has a all star or a superstar