Tim Duncan not having an A+ on team success is wild to me. That MF has won over 50 games every season. Not including lock outs. And doesn't he have like a 75% win rate or am i just crazy?

@michaeltrenier

7 ай бұрын

AGREED

@exgeeinteractive

7 ай бұрын

5-1 in the Finals, definitely an A. There were many times were Lakeshow showed SA how it's done, and they were the favorites. A+ is a bit a of stretch. Even MJ was dragged down by his early playoff exits.

@JoeBuck-uc3bl

4 ай бұрын

I’ll lock his ass down with Kevin Garnett.

@ahankumar555

3 ай бұрын

I think he only put the best in each category as A+, and 11 is more than double of 5

@HappyKamote

3 ай бұрын

Ykb that caught my attention too

I once did a similar exercise and came up with this: Player Tier TOTAL Michael Jordan 1 123,17 LeBron James 2 111,00 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 2 110,15 Tim Duncan 3 104,23 Larry Bird 4 95,34 Bill Russell 4 94,42 Wilt Chamberlain 4 93,62 Kobe Bryant 5 91,49 Magic Johnson 5 90,55 Shaquille O'Neal 6 86,03 ...one day will hopefully find the time to fine tune it :)

Good video, good analysis...and great footage from the 60's. I'd never seen Russell block a Chamberlain fadeaway. That was pretty awesome to see.

@eddiebuckets7688

7 ай бұрын

Thank You

@BrayanSaverino

6 ай бұрын

@@eddiebuckets7688 u earned a sub

The thing I find odd is when people rate Wilt lower than Kareem yet Kareem has stated that Wilt would have destroyed him in his prime and Wilt is the only player to ever block Kareem’s sky hook which reminder is 10 feet 11 feet in his release point for his hands and there could be some other players who could do it besides him like Victor Wembanyama Mark Eaton Manute bol Ralph Samson Hakeem Olajuwon Dikembe Mutumbo and multiple other players probably and Wilt at best could reach 13 feet high into the air but no list is perfect

@-caspo-

7 ай бұрын

I would guess that the reason is that he is ranking the greatest players of all time, not the best players of all time.

@jodonthesith7172

7 ай бұрын

Yeah”greater players” and “better players” aren’t ever classified as the same thing. Wilt can be more skilled but Kareem has achieved ten times more so there’s really no argument for him over Kareem

@hakeemolajuwon4352

7 ай бұрын

@@jodonthesith7172 SMH what about the fact that Kareem won literally nothing without Oscar or Magic? Does actual NBA history not matter to you, or do you just love to look up a players Wikipedia and make up your own story?

@calebadamu

7 ай бұрын

@@hakeemolajuwon4352 kareem won 3 consecutive championships in college before the nba too, nice try though

@calebadamu

7 ай бұрын

@@hakeemolajuwon4352 he legit has the most NCAA MVP's and most NBA MVP's, you can't discredit that

You have Bird criminally low

Your top 14 selection is kinda disrespectful to Moses Malone

@pattrell5257

7 ай бұрын

He's top 10 even if Bird isn't! Dude's better than Duncan... 1. Jordan 2. Jubbar 3. Chamberlain 4. Robertson(came close to having 3 straight high scoring(28.8 and above) triple-double seasons for the reg season and playoffs; he did get one and that's impressive...) 5. Russell(I feel Russell would be like Rodman in rebounding and multiple position defense--only taller. I'd trust him on anybody but point guard). 6. M. Malone 7. Olajuwon 8. Bryant 9. Duncan 10. West 11. O'neal 12. Bird 13. James 14. Garnett 15. Baylor 16. Wade 17. Curry 18. Durant 19. Nowitzki 20. Johnson 21. Robinson 22. Hayes 23. McAdoo 24. Ewing 25. Thomas(Baby Jordan pre-94--if Jordan was a PG. The baby is signifying that he wasn't as good, but very similar offensively if Jordan lacked hops). 26. Frazier 27. Stockton(could do EVERYTHING that is normally expected in a PG; not as flashy as some, but got the job done).

@vulture27fm

7 ай бұрын

For sure. Moses over KD is an easy inclusion.

@Damphouse

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@pattrell5257you have Lebron at 13?? 💀

@pattrell5257

7 ай бұрын

@@Damphouse Yep, he's not all that! His jumper is not money; he is a lot like a mix between Pippen(IF SCOTTIE PLAYED TODAY) and Rodman(MULTI-POSITION DEFENSE). He's better overall than Prince, Pippen, B. Wallace, Artest, Rodman, and those types. However, that does not necessarily get you in the top 10, because they do not even make this list! But, I did omit Garnett. I don't know how I left him off; he is somewhere on this list even if Pistol Pete comes off...

@Damphouse

7 ай бұрын

@@pattrell5257lmao wow

Awesome work on a "fair and reasonable" list. It's virtually impossible to get people to be rational when arguing top 10 NBA players. We all have our personal preferences on the top 10. Again, I think this is a very solid listing of Greats. Thanks!

Amazing video earned a sub

My only thing about the list is Kobe did win with Shaq, but Magic won all 5 with Kareem and Duncan has always had HOF help throughout his career and Pop.

@ColeM.-en5gq

7 ай бұрын

Duncan didn't have hof help during his 2nd chip run.

@calebadamu

7 ай бұрын

im a huge kobe fan but 3/5 of magic's chips with kareem he was the best player, 0/3 of kobe's chips with shaq he was the best player

@davis2k1234

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@calebadamuSo was Iggy the best player on the 2015 Warriors? Because Magic won a FMVP when Kareem won MVP of the NBA and was avg 33PPG 14Rebs 4 blocks in the Finals in 1980

@davis2k1234

6 ай бұрын

@TB-4 Kobe was better then Shaq the last 2 seasons the team just wasn’t as good either was Shaq he fell off but rejuvenated himself in Miami and happily deferred to Dwade if he would have done that w Kobe they would have kept winning but he was out of shape coasting and his ego wouldn’t let him co exist w Kobe

@davis2k1234

6 ай бұрын

@TB-4 Kobe and Shaq were going since 2000-2001 they never got along off the court and fought in practice long before the “snitch” incident which Kobe was just young and dumb he did t know police gonna leak the audio to press

This is probably my favorite top 10 list I’ve seen in a while. I’m a big Kobe and Shaq fan, but I can live with their placements.

I'm not gonna bust your balls because that IS an extremely difficult list to due to the shear number of amazing players. Shout out to Julius Erving, Jerry West, Walt Frazier, Elven Hayes, Isaiah Thomas, and Moses Malone.

@paulzollinger6343

7 ай бұрын

I even forgot about Moses for a minute, who I think is better than 6 guys on this list. Really tough to pick...

@hepwo91222

7 ай бұрын

Karl Malone was pretty good too.

@JansMarinara

7 ай бұрын

Julius Irving had a lot of success in the ABA that if counted would put him a lot higher on most people's lists I think.

@uncomfortabletruth2988

6 ай бұрын

@@paulzollinger6343 I've Moses around 12 or 13 he showed Hakeem and Barkley how to be pros and dominated in the 70s and 80s. He's highly underrated.

@uncomfortabletruth2988

6 ай бұрын

@@JansMarinara You have to combine both of those stats because he played in both and won in both as well.

Moses Malone, Dr J, and Jerry West rank higher than KD and Oscar Robertson imo

@krimezone

7 ай бұрын

KD simply shouldn't be there

@dionysise5008

6 ай бұрын

True

@VeinySausage

2 ай бұрын

Gtfoh dude🤣 KD is a top 3 talent that’s ever picked up a basketball

GREAT video bro. Subbed.

Despite what I just said. West and Moses have to be included in the top tier. With Baylor, Havelicek, DrJ. close behind.

Dang I didn't know there we're only 100 HOFers

Wow… the best way to wake up for Thanksgiving

I think it deserves mention that Hakeem is the only player on that list that had no help.

@krimezone

7 ай бұрын

He is in my undisputed top 5. LeBron is not in my top 10 Skip the Jordan debate but if I choose say Bird or Magic or Kareem they can't tell me how Lebron is better than them individually prime for prime

@ColeM.-en5gq

7 ай бұрын

@@krimezone probably because it's not just about prime or peak but about the entirety of one's career.

@Nuthinnull

7 ай бұрын

Drexler?

@serhatgorgulu4903

6 ай бұрын

@@krimezone im not even that big of a bron fan (i mean i like him but i am no fan) and i also think the goat debate is completely one sided in favor of Jordan, but damn not even top 10 is crazy hahaha. easily a top 3 player all time, and if you want to find a case for him to be lower top 5 but not even top 10 is surreal lmao

@serhatgorgulu4903

6 ай бұрын

ok i don't know about the pre 1980 oldheads much but i think during his prime wilt had not much help but Kobe Bryant in his prime had no help at all (after shaq left, but he gets almost no credits for these championships anyways) he had the by far worst team anyone from this list ever had in 2004-2007 and even after gasol joined his team would be below average and not even make it to the tough western conference playoffs, but Kobe almost three peated with them

I would say players who thrived in the dead ball era are the most affected in all of these discussions. This is why metrics shouldn't been the main weapon to use when discussing sports.

Damn that is a very good list tbh, i personally would interchange mj and bron also i would have included total stats on top of per game stats to value longevity but this list is almost exactly how my personal list looks like very cool

what are wind sheers

Jordan and Bird are my top two.. Bird is the most complete player in hISTORY. his stats say so. ONLY player to average atleast 24 points, 10 rebounds and 6 assists for his CAREER. he also has mutliple 50/40/90 seasons and multiple defensive team selections, and mutliple times leading the league in defenive winshares.. Only player im picking ahead of him is Jordan. and thats a MAYBE.

@awesomereviews1561

7 ай бұрын

The thing with Bird is that’s his career got cut short by injury so obviously MJ is the to pick ( and MJ missed almost 3 years of his prime.) Bird’s peak was insane but his career is a “what if”. And “what if” don’t cut it for this kind of debate.

@soramirez5473

7 ай бұрын

@@awesomereviews1561 what ifs? he got 3 rings playing against the SHOW TIME LAKERS.. 3 MVPS in a row. he dominated the 80s. Jordan dominated the 90s but not the 80s. Bird was a winner since day 1. Nobody cares about YOUR opinion. He got the accolades and the stats.

@soramirez5473

7 ай бұрын

@@awesomereviews1561 bird 3 rings in 13 seasons. Lebron 4 rings in 21 seasons. WHAT if Lebron DIDNT load manage? What if Lebron DIDNT airball free throws. .. What if MJ TRUSTED his teamates early on? What if Wilt won MORE?. Yea I dont deal with what ifs either.. Thats why my opinion is based on STATS AND ACCOLADES. so its more a FACT. YOURS IS AN OPINION.. AND A POOR ONE.

@soramirez5473

7 ай бұрын

MJ couldnt beat bird. MJ couldnt win in the 80s. MJ NEEDED Pippen to win apparently. MJ DOESNT have the OVERALL NUMBERS that Bird has.

@soramirez5473

7 ай бұрын

@@awesomereviews1561 actually now that I think about it, yea I would pick BIRD first THEN mike. I prefer a player that can BOTH score when I need it BUT ALSO elevate his teammates to better play.

I can respect this 🎯🎯🎯🎯 actually this really is the honest truth

I'd take Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and Olajuwon any day over Lebron. Jordan used 1 window to win 6 rings. Kareem 1.3 window for 6 (.3 for Oscar). Magic 1 window for 5. Kobe 2 windows for 5. Duncan 1.3 window for 5 (.3 for DRob). Shaq 2 windows for 4. Bird 1 window for 3. Olajuwon 1 window for 2. Lebron OTOH used 3 windows to produce only 4. No one else having this much help produced so little. If you replace Lebron with any of the guys I listed, that Miami Heats team woulda 4-peated.

@crosswiz6

7 ай бұрын

That's what I keep saying 🤷🏽‍♂️ he would be 2-8 without that Ray Allen and Kyrie shot. But even at 4-6, everyone in the top 10 has a winning record over him. They won more than him, in less time, with MUCH LESS help, and without team hopping around making superteams. Its not all just stats..winning matters its the goal of the game. Lebron is top 5 AT BEST, but realistically he shouldn't even be in the top 5 🤷🏽‍♂️

@jit1709

7 ай бұрын

@@crosswiz6 shouldnt even be top 10

@crosswiz6

7 ай бұрын

@@jit1709 Maybe, but I honestly believe he's not top 5. Way too much losing for all the help he's had taking massive shorcuts

@AbiV31

7 ай бұрын

​@@jit1709whats your top 10? I'm curious. Cuz I got Lbj around 7 out of 10

@jit1709

7 ай бұрын

@@AbiV31 no order 10 i got higher than him all time mj kobe kareem magic bird duncan shaq bill wilt hakeem all these did more with less time less help and didn’t get meaningless superteam championships they whole career hes top 13-20 in my eyes kd/bron is more of a debate because theyre the same in my eyes one is just older career literally the same first years on a contending team that they built up but after years of failure they give up both creating superteams and stacking odds in their favors but the difference is with kd he didnt have a meltdown like 2011 once he had a superteam bron did thats why i got kd higher and why i don’t have bron top 15 and after that he had to be saved by tm8s like allen and kyrie in big moments where he shouldve stepped up but he watched good tm8s save him that’s why hell never be top 10 in my eyes the other 10 arent scared of the moment bron is that’s why hell never be top 10

I once read if Larry Legend is not on the Top 5 list, it's no list at all. I agree with this statement.

I'd like to see a video on NBA "game changers". I personally believe there's only seven throughout the NBA's history. - Russell (dominating & winning with defense) - Wilt (offense dominance), - Dr.J (artistry- lots of guys could do what Doc could do, but he just looked better doing it) - Magic (showmanship & winning through assists) - Jordan (total dominance on both ends, advanced artistry, showmanship & winning) - Dirk (1st big man,6'10"+ who dominated away from & facing the basket & a sniper from long distance) - Steph (great shooting from distance & in the paint) *A.I. was a culture changer & meant more to the fans around the world, but not a game changer (Isaiah was doing similar stuff & winning more). Everyone else were/are great basketball players, but didn't change the game. Guys like Kareem, LeBron & Shaq didn't do anything to change the game. Kareem created an unstoppable shot, but so did Bernard King, Dirk, George Gervin, & Tony Parker. *Kyrie is almost a game changer & a culture changer, but not quite.

@cratwinterz200

7 ай бұрын

I’d argue Mikan, but that might be pre-NBA if you want to get technical.

@ejkboxing

7 ай бұрын

@@cratwinterz200 There was nothing to change when Mikan played. He was one of the 1st players.

@cratwinterz200

7 ай бұрын

@@ejkboxing Nothing to change? Mikan’s influence is pretty commonly cited as the reasoning behind the initial widening of the lane, Goaltending, and the shot clock. I assume that being the first superstar doesn’t count for changing as that’s more outside the game. But he’s also (from what I’ve found) one of the first bigs and the first really dominate one, something which definitely changed how teams worked for quite some time. If you’ll allow post career influence, he’s also the one who adopted the 3pt line into the ABA. (Not created though, common misconception but the first league with a 3pt line was actually the ABL a different league that had one season in the early 60s) Again, unless you’re being rather strict on defining NBA, I’d argue Mikan is one of the most influential individuals on basketball ever. Also, another name that came to mind for consideration is Ron Arrest. The Malice at the Palace changed how the NBA conducts officiating, security, and even alcohol sales from what I recall.

@ejkboxing

7 ай бұрын

@@cratwinterz200 The NBA making changes to produce a better product doesn't count. Game changer means coaches, players & GMs change the way they're doing things because that one guy is killing them with his game changing style of play & performances. Mikan's style of play didn't make other players want to do what he was doing, or make coaches make special game-plans or make GMs look for another Mikan. Every center who came after him was better than him. You can't say that about any of the game changers. Guys were able to copy their styles & moves, but not become better than them. Meaning, better at what they did to change the game. Post career doesn't count since all players don't get to be execs for the NBA or rival leagues at the end of their playing careers. Also, Why would you only cite Ron Artest for the Malice in the Palace? There were fans (the instigators) & other players involved in that.

@JuggaloSupreme

6 ай бұрын

Actually LeFlop changed the league a lot. He basically ruined it. Many of his MVPs are unearned, he doesn't play defense, and he basically took over flopping😂

Great Top 10 All-Time list, but Kareem has 6 Championships, not 5.

@ricdees3495

Ай бұрын

Yeap 5 with the Lakers and 1 with the Bucks.

Great all time list. I put more emphasis on championships, highest peak, and being the “Batman” of your team so my list is slightly different: 1. Jordan 2. Lebron 3. Russell 4. Magic 5. Kareem 6. Bird 7. Duncan 8. Kobe 9. Shaq 10. Curry I put Russell 3rd because I can’t get over 11 championships in 13 years. He wasn’t the best offensively but he knew how to win and I value that a lot. He dominated Wilt who was the most dominate in history. I put Magic above Kareem because he was the better player on their team when they went to 9 finals together. I have Bird above Duncan because he had the higher peak with 3 consecutive MVPs and was better overall even though he doesn’t have the higher career stats having only played 13 seasons.

Kobe was absolutely the best player on his championship teams. He was simply not the focal point of the offense. When shaq foul out multiple times he stepped up to save the season.

@chrisweldon9215

6 ай бұрын

Kobe avg 14 pts on 39% shooting in the pacer finals shaq avg 35 and 15. Snap out of it

@user-vr2le8jb4d

4 ай бұрын

Lol that rapist is so overrated

Where is Moses Malone?

I'll drop my list n then watch. 1.MJ 2.Bron 3.Kareem 4.Magic 5.Wilt 6.Bird 7.Duncan 8.Russel 9.Kobe 10.Shaq 11.Steph 12.Oscar 13.Dr J 14.Hakeem 15.Moses 16.West 17.KD 19.Thomas

@eddiebuckets7688

7 ай бұрын

Solid list

@massdagod

7 ай бұрын

Whos 18?

@dionysise5008

6 ай бұрын

@@massdagod How about Joker

@BrayanSaverino

3 ай бұрын

good list

You gave the politically correct answer with Lebron at 2. But realistically, Lebron is the only one out of the top 10 with a losing record, and only one to team hop around making superteams. Without that Kyrie and Ray Allen shot Lebron is 2-8. Others won more, in less time, with less help, and without constantly switching teams to team up with different all stars.

@shade0180

7 ай бұрын

He also rated Kareem too high when he punished Kobe and Curry for having a better 1st Option. Remember 3 ~4 of Kareem chip's he is a 2nd option. Lebron should really drop down 2 or 3 ranks on the list. Kareem should drop down too if we use that same case with Kobe and curry.

@crosswiz6

7 ай бұрын

@@shade0180 Yup agree, and honestly Lebron shouldn't even be top 5 considering all the losing and team hopping around he's done. He's had the most time to win, and BY FAR the most help and has won the least 🤷🏽‍♂️

@ColeM.-en5gq

7 ай бұрын

Wilt?

@michaelmaccrazy

7 ай бұрын

@@shade0180 It took Kobe 13 years to finally win a ring as the undisputed #1 option. It took everyone else less time than that.

@shade0180

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelmaccrazy I never said Kobe need to move up. I said if Kobe is being punished for being a number 2 Kareem should be too.

You totally overlooked & disrespected Moses Malone (2x MVP, finals MVP numerous all defense & rebounding titles & dominated all centers he played against), just like everyone else. His main comp is Olajuwon. Baylor & McAdoo deserve some love too. Their career accomplishment & accolades are right there with the bottom ten guys.

@beebee-ip8kc

7 ай бұрын

3x MVP!!! That was crazy!! KD?!?!?!

My personal starting 5 is easily magic, Michael, LeBron, Timmy, and the diesel💯

I think you forgot isaiah Thomas the second best pg of all time after magic, I know many hate him, I'm not a big fan of him either but it is what it is, truth must be said

LeBron has the most points but Kareem has made the most baskets and it's not even close. In fact the moment when LeBron reaches the 40,000 point mark, Kareem will still be the all-time leader in Field Goals made. That alone keeps him in the goat conversation. After all, putting the ball in the basket is what it's about, right.

@mustafamete6567

6 ай бұрын

so now on in the game who scored more baskets not points, won the game? lol

Olajuwan underated af, i dont see anyone winning a title with a subpar cast. Let alone go back to back.

Kobe last in advanced stats, but first in delusional nostalgia

@jdrmanmusiqking

24 күн бұрын

You clearly dont know hoops

@TayAndYe_Productions

23 күн бұрын

@@jdrmanmusiqking its true

How is magic Johnson and Larry bird not the same on legacy??? They share the 80’s you can’t talk about either without the other..

Dr J has a top 10 case

The backcourt ABSOLUTELY has to be Jordan and Steph!!

You talk about team loyalty and staying with the team that drafted you, yet, unless i missed it, there were no negatives associated with James's career team hopping. Also another important statistic you didn't factor in, that NOBODY talks about, is turnovers! Throwing the ball away or flubbing a major possession has tremendous consequences on winning and legacy. Mr. "I always make the right play" LeBron is one of the worst ever per possession. Check the stats

@arkadiuszrogala1359

6 ай бұрын

He said leaving unless your team wasn’t competitive, and why do you think he had his legacy below an A?

@MakaveliTv35

6 ай бұрын

@@arkadiuszrogala1359cuz he just wants to shit on lebron bro wasn’t paying attention to the video he just wanted to complain somehow about bron

@showtime2182

6 ай бұрын

​@@MakaveliTv35 the heat was not a losing team ahsn james left.

@MakaveliTv35

6 ай бұрын

@@showtime2182 what does that have to do with what I said stupid

@philbusiness52

4 ай бұрын

Yep. The letter grade score of like 3 different categories for lebron should be “F”

Great list . Although I disagree with Oscar. Me personally I would have all these guys before Oscar(in no order): David Robinson Julius Erving Jerry West Dwyane Wade Kevin Garnett Karl Malone Charles Barkley Giannis Antetokounmpo Nikola Jokic Bob Petit Moses Malone and I even think your formula may agree

Lists need to be about the impact that player brings Wilt Jordan Bird Olajuwon Erving Kareem Lebron M Malone K Malone Duncan Pettit Hayes Stockton Shaq

I like your logic. One to one, I like Bird over Magic…BUT, his rings speak for themselves. AND, I’ve just never liked Kareem. Back the defender down and hit the skyhook. Do that for 20 years and that’s the bulk of his legacy.

@user-cn8nu6lq4w

3 ай бұрын

Bird _barely_ missed a buzzer beater in 87 (jumped out of the basket) against the Lakers that likely would have meant the Celtics won the 87 Championship, which would have made it 4-4.

You said other than Russell, Magic is the only player to ever win 5 Rings in 9 seasons. But Jordan won 6 in 8 seasons...

Wilt chamberlain actually only averaged 22ppg for his Playoff career, not 24ppg.

Personally I think it’s ridiculous to say Wilt didn’t have the best eye test oat 😂

Pretty good list. Only thing I would personally change is LeBron grade for eye test. Free throw shooting horrible, below average 3 point shooter in a Era where 3's are common and huge, and the inconsistent defense. Call it resting on defense or lazy doesn't matter still inconsistent.

@JuggaloSupreme

6 ай бұрын

And FLOPPING all over the floor😂

@mustafamete6567

6 ай бұрын

Ahahahah what a hater. When their in 21st seasons, what they did do? lol

@domudeh3691

4 ай бұрын

Your dumb

@user-cn8nu6lq4w

3 ай бұрын

Agreed... he's A- eye test material, not a solid A... possibly B+ if you include his flopping.

@michaelacevedo9404

3 ай бұрын

@@user-cn8nu6lq4w definitely agree B+

The problem with this list and almost all videos and lists like this is that it does NOT take into consideration the level of competition. Kobe played in literally the most defensive, slow-paced and hardest competition in nba HISTORY. Not including other factors that's too much too type.

@Jajsnsjsn

6 ай бұрын

Lebron played in the same era

@lookatcodyman654

6 ай бұрын

Like half of these players did 😂😂

@crystalizedExposed

6 ай бұрын

mjs end of his career was in that era too, lebron averaged 31 in that era, shaq and duncan were there. kobes not the only person that played in the 00's.

@JaeBee1718

6 ай бұрын

Cleanly yall guys are short term thinkers. Yall read to rebuttal and not understand and with that yall can't see context * no disrespect* It's simple, Kobe's whole career was that. Lebron's time, he only played just a portion of his career in that era. The game drastically changed and got easier to score. "Half the players did" don't mean shit. Honestly Duncan is right up there with Kobe. In fact Duncan > >> Shaq. I'll take Duncan's career in it's entirety over Shaq's. Also the "Jordan did also" nonsense..... It was during Kobe's whole career, never mind. I'm not typing all this out.

How can the 2 guys that revitalized the NBA not be in the to p 5 Magic and Bird.

@mja4wp

7 ай бұрын

Bird and Magic are solid top 10....I have Bird ahead of Magic simply because his D was better.....

@crystalizedExposed

6 ай бұрын

making the nba popular doesn't make you a better basketball player

@VeinySausage

2 ай бұрын

They didn’t really revolutionize anything…the 80s were just a revolutionary time in all of sports as far as marketing players and Magic and Bird were the best players of that weak era in the sport of basketball lol

MO the 3 best of all time are in no order Wilt, Michael and Lebron. Then in no order, just off the top of me head....Russell, Oscar, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem, West, Steph, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, Elgin, Dr. J......after that I would have to think about it

Very respectable list, especially knowing that ranking Duncan over Kobe will be very unpopular. I want Wilt to be higher but can't argue your logic. Well done!

@michaelmaccrazy

7 ай бұрын

I have Duncan ahead of Kobe myself. More FMVPs, more MVPs, more all-defensive. Thats just the basics.

@Nuthinnull

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelmaccrazyKobe >

@michaelmaccrazy

7 ай бұрын

@@Nuthinnull Okay…you’re a groupie. Carry on. 😂

@Nuthinnull

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelmaccrazy Groupie? And that’s your argument? 💀😂💀

@michaelmaccrazy

7 ай бұрын

@@Nuthinnull You literally said “Kobe>” 😂😂😂😂😂 Without stating any facts whatsoever. But it doesn’t matter. There is nothing you can say that I haven’t heard before. And Duncan is easily better. Kobe just played in a bigger market which attracts groupies…like you 😂

I’m a big Larry fan. He’s my number one pick of all time. To say that magic was the one who saved the nba is not being fair to Larry. Larry bird and Magic BOTH saved the nba together. Really the only thing that bothered me about this video.

If I had to go with a certain metric it would be awards but I mix in prime numbers/peak skill and I think the player that’s slept the most on by using EFG is Kobe. He took 4.1 threes a game. Vs MJ shooting .5 a game. So basically if you look at Kobe’s 2pt % from 00-13 it’s great. MJ like outside of three years in that time period meaning he would most definitely average 46.5-49% reg FG in that time span. If you look at Kobe vs Mike EFG. It’s 48.3% vs 50% not far off really especially if you don’t count Kobe’s last three szns he would be 49. Something % Mike for his career if 49% so Kobe if taken 3’s in to account was very close to being as effective as MJ from shooting the ball at least from 00-13 outside 3 years (04, 05, 12) and Kobe’s defensive advance numbers I get but Kobe was more of an on ball defender a great one too. And the coaches vote so it’s very unbiased when your rival coaches that are all nba legit coaches vote you into all D teams. Imo. Kobe outside of one year in 2000 deserved to be on the all NBA second team defense 100% & 00 being first team. Just going off numbers. That’s still pretty good. Maybe not that impressive. But with the second most all d team selections. 2nd most all nba teams. More pts than MJ asts than MJ. With the same TS% as Timmy D I’d say he was effective and like I said I think for players like harden, curry and Kobe EFG is a little more telling reg FG is a little misleading if you take 2.5 plus threes a game. In short resume wise with a sprinkle of skill I think it’s 1. MJ 2. LBJ 3. Kareem 4. Kobe 5. Timmy D Imo 4 & 5 can go either way I think Kobe’s the most skilled player ever by far plus went to two more finals than Tim so I give him the slight edge at 4 but really 4-6 is great for Kobe any lower is just hating imo or perception on basic stats like FG%. Any hire is just going off skill or you just wanna see your fav player at 1-2 basically. Just imo 🤷

Bill Russel/Wilt/Oscar shouldn’t even be on this list 💀 there was only 8 teams in the nba in their era only changing towards the end of their careers. They’re closer to top 20

I think dr j should get the shout over big O

After blowing a 3-1 lead in the finals then flying across country to begg KD to come save him how can steph be on any list unless you just find him attractive.

If you would accurately ESTIMATE blocks and steals Chamberlain would be far ahead of everyone else.

Haven’t watched it yet. Let’s see if this is flawless… It’s pretty flawed lol

Your letter grade for birds team success, and basic stats is a little low. A stacked eastern conference for his entire career, on top of Houston and the Lakers in the finals. And when you consider he was diminished by injuries his last 5 years, I think those should both be a bit higher. Other than that, this list is perfect for me.

It's Jordan. We know the Truth.

FYI = Kareem actually won the 1980 FMVP AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award because CBS did not want to present the award to "an empty chair". What actually happened is covered in the book titled "Kareem" pages 140-141. Also Magic did not make an all defense team his entire career, so there are several players that need to move up past Magic IMO. Thanks.

@dantealoving

7 ай бұрын

Magic lead the Showtime Lakers to the 3 highest team FG% in NBA history. With him running the show the Lakers shot .542% as a team. Magic is the greatest playmaker in NBA history. #4 is just about right.

@mrho4speed

7 ай бұрын

@@dantealoving The Western conference was much weaker than the East. See Dave Heeren's "Basketball Abstract" for the comparison. All teams included East vs West = the East dominated the West every single year for all 10 years of the 80's. Defense in 50% of the game. Magic as a rookie needed special coaching as the zone Magic played ay MSU did not prepare Magic for the NBA. Norm Nixon was given the defensive assignment on the other PG. Magic was not a good defender = to hard to ignore that at this level.

@dantealoving

7 ай бұрын

@@mrho4speed How did the East dominate the West in the 80s when Magic won 5 rings in the 80s 🤔

@mrho4speed

7 ай бұрын

@@dantealoving The measurement was done for each regular season and totaled all games between the East vs West and involved all teams in each conference. The East dominated the West every year for all 10 years. This is chapter 11 in the book "Basketball Abstract". Dave Heeren was the statistician for ESPN and has covered the NBA for about 60+ years.

You did good until the top two. Video would've been so much better with the same details as lower players on the list

1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Wilt 4. LBJ 5. Magic 6. Shaq 7. Kobe 8. Bird 9. Duncan 10. Hakeem The Dream 11. Nikola Jokic 12, Bill Russell 13. Kevin Durant 14. Karl Malone 15. Oscar Robertson 16. Julius Irving 17. Jerry West 18. John Stockton 19. Moses Malone 20. Dirk Nowitzki

@PhoenixSuns1353

7 ай бұрын

Not tryna bash others lists but Wilt at three is a ridiculous statement

@fy4072

7 ай бұрын

@@PhoenixSuns1353 He didn't even put Steph on top 20. No need to take this guy seriously

@huntermormo261

7 ай бұрын

Honestly I wouldn’t put Wilt top 10

@jit1709

7 ай бұрын

good list but bron too high

@massdagod

7 ай бұрын

Dirk is overrated. I would NEVER put him over Wade or Curry

I see only maybe 4 or 5 Kobe like shots made every season now. Kobe made those kinda shots 4 or 5 times a GAME. He’s top 5. I’d place him ahead of magic and Duncan at the 4 spot. But I’m not upset with him being 6th.

Kobe had around 3-4 lackluster seasons in the end because he tried playing through a bunch of otherwise career ending injuries. You should honestly only consider the prime seasons for each player to really compare them, otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges. At the same time you HAVE to factor in the era they played in and up / downgrade certain numbers based on what the pace was in each era, otherwise there is absolutely zero use to even try and compare them. For example MJs numbers should be WAY increased over what Lebron puts up, simply because total average scoring numbers per game was alot lower than what we currently have, which means MJ had alot less opportunity to score that much or rebound that much because of the lower pace...

@coreyc2528

7 ай бұрын

Majority of MJ’s career pace of play was similar to today’s game. Kobe was the one most impacted by the dead ball era. If you take Kobe’s 06 season and adjust it MJ’s 87 season Kobe would have averaged close to 40 ppg.

@mustafamete6567

6 ай бұрын

Jordan playe 9 seasons at high pace, just 6 seasons with low pace. LeBron played 13 season at low pace, just 8 seasons at high pace. So if you gave them equality, Bron's number gonna be up :)

@crystalizedExposed

6 ай бұрын

@@coreyc2528 you could say this about bron, duncan, shaq too. bron averaged 31 in the deadball era, shaq 29, duncan 25.

@jeromecruz3237

3 ай бұрын

Louder!!! Kobe's achilles era really hurt his stats

@Robertedwinhouse38

Ай бұрын

You realize Lebron surpassed Jordan in scoring on way less shot attempts.

My list with my bias LeBron Jordan Wilt Kareem Hakeem Magic Bird Duncan Shaq Kobe Trying to be objective Mj LeBron Kareem Wilt Hakeem Magic Bird Duncan Shaq Kobe

Look at the stats Kobe used to shoot 30-40 shots a game check it out

Let's see, Legacy, just about places James at the bottom, you miss out the fact he ran from one superteam to another. When the going gets tough James goes team hopping.. he just dumped teams and moved on Then there's performance in the clutch, James is not a clutch player, when it comes down to the last two minutes of the game when teams are within 5 points, James ahoots at 20%. He's also not a very good from the free throw, around 73%. In fact James is not a very good shooter. You like looking at stats, go look at his shot chart as to where he qas shooting from. He ahot about 33% for shots from 3ft and more. The majority of his acoring was within 3ft, being layups and dunks. His longevity, he has played only 1 full season of 82 games in his career. James also sisnt make the playoffs his first two years and he has been swept in the finals, i think its 3 times now. Also James being able ro defend 1-5 is a bit over stated, maybe 2-3 and James is rarely tasked with defending the other teams best player. In fact you're lucky if he gets back on defence. And then he played in the East, at the time when the East was significantly weeker where he played against teams that were 500 and less. From 2000-2015 the west won 11-4. About 65% of the All Star players came from the west.. You haven't included playoff performances, James is rhe one player that has given up on his, passed on making the last shot or simply just bricked it. And then there's the flopping. The only player on your who has incorporated flopping into his game, mastered the skill and uses it several times a game. You know hopping from one superteam to another is significantly easier than staying with the team that drafted you and working continuosly to improve your game to a level where you achieve success.

@jasonlommen4769

6 ай бұрын

Well said. LBJ is great, but overrated. He makes my top 15 only.

@fox2004yuan

6 ай бұрын

lbj has many holes as a player. he is overrated. And more disgusting, he claims himself goat. Not a single other NBA player makes that kind claim. It was the most disrespectful to NBA players as a whole...

Have you even seen Larry Bird play I think you rely on stats to much

I feel he went out of his way to discredit Kobe Stats read one way and he remixed them to have Kobe at the bottom He penalizes Kobe for playing with Shaq but not Magic who played most of his career Kareem (undoubtedly a better player than Shaq) and HOF Micheal Cooper and another player I can’t think of. He also doesn’t give players enough credit on defense. IMO you need to be dominant in both ends to make the top 10 - Magic and Bird just weren’t. He also discredits Wilt by saying he didn’t win enough but doesn’t consider the team of HOFers he lost to during his run. He admitted that Bill only avg 15 ppg during that run also My list: 1. MJ - I used to have Kareem higher but I think it’s hard at the SG position to be that dominant than at the center 2. MJ 3. Wilt - the single most dominant player ever. His name is all over NBA record book. We don’t penalize Lebron for losing so much so why penalize Wilt. Free agency didn’t even exist so he couldn’t cherry pick his team and teammates like Lebron 4. Lebron 5. Kobe - I give the ends to him over TD bc, again, it’s harder to be dominant at SG than PF. Also, TD played for the best run organization in sports. LA sent prime Kobe out with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. He also said Kobe wasn’t the best but had to admit they benched Shaq bc he became a liability down the stretch 6. Tim Duncan 7. Hakeem 8. Shaq - there was no answer for him but to foul him aka Hack a Shaq 9. Magic - a wizard with the basketball at 6’9 10. Bird 11. KD - possibly the best scorer we’ve seen factoring efficiency and versatility 12. Bill Russell 13. Steph 14. Oscar

Good idea on paper, but clearly numbers & stats lie to a small extent. Or at least don’t tell the whole story. There’s far more factors. 1.) Michael Jordan 2.) Larry Bird 3.) Kobe Bryant (or Lebron James) 4.) Lebron James (or Kobe Bryant) 5.) Magic Johnson And then after that I’m not too sure yet or anymore lol 😅 And my Favs list? 1.) Larry Bird 2.) Lebron James (or Kobe Bryant) 3.) Kobe Bryant (or Lebron James 4.) Pete Marovich 5.) Michael Jordan 6.) Jason Williams 7.) Steve Nash And idk after that for sure 😅 Crazy tho you only gave a B to Birds legacy. That’s insane 😅😂 Also the B on Team success. We still talking about the same Celtics right? Only lost a couple games Celtics? Where Bird helped take to the Finals & Win for them even more? And MJ couldn’t even beat him and his team? What?

Making a “flawless” top 10 NBA player list is a big claim. But I watched the video twice and I take no issue with the way you constructed your list and the way you used data to support the order of players. My own personal list doesn’t look too different to yours. Intangible variables like a player’s impact and legacy can be tough to measure. But if we have to use the five major stat categories, advanced stats and awards like FMVPs, DPOYs, all defensive selections, etc it becomes difficult to accurately compare older players like Wilt and Bill to more modern players. So for that reason (amongst a few other reasons) I don’t have either of them in my top 10. Well made video my man. I hope to see more in the future. My personal, subjective top 10(ish) list: 1. Jordan 2. LeBron 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Bird 6. Kobe 7. Duncan 8. Shaq 9. Curry 10. Hakeem 11. Bill 12. Wilt 13. Moses 14. KD 15. Oscar

@jasonlommen4769

6 ай бұрын

Wilt #12 and no Jerry West. WTF are you smoking dude. Your list is trash. Curry #9 😂

Larry Legend at #8 is disrespectful. If anything, Larry and Magic should be tied. Although Larry is a more complete player than Magic.

@mattsell2361

6 ай бұрын

The only reason I would say the majority of people have magic higher is because he has more championships. Bird I’m sure if bird was drafted to a team with the mvp on it he would have won more birds second best player was Kevin mcHale I’m pretty sure Kareem is better then mcHale. Taking away team success I don’t really see an argument for magic being a better basketball player than bird. Also bird should have 4-5 mvps because his 87 and 88 years were better then his mvp years. I just think it’s crazy we hate on lebron Durant and curry’s rings because we say oh they a super team of course they won. Yet lebrons best all time player d wade is arguably not a top 30 player all time. And magic and Kareem are routinely ranked in the top 5 together. So I would hope two top 5 players could win multiple championships. Same thing with Kobe we say yeah Kobe has 5 rings but 3 were with shaq. There’s never this talk with Kareem or magic

You did a complete hatchet job on the Dream. Except for Jordan and Lebron none of the others were doing any better with his cast of teammates, particularly from the late 80's to early early 90's. Not to mention the level of coaching. No Auerbach, Jackson, Riley, or Pop. The seasons he had ANY real support including his first finals, he made the conference finals or the finals. He is so disrespected in history.

Before i even start, your thumbnail has the literal top 4 players in history so i have high hopes for this one

I have Jokic at 10 now hahahaha

they’re all good and great players, if you want to rank them just use their achievements.. Most NBA Trophies MJ-22 Russell-17 LBJ-16 Kareem-15 Magic-13 Duncan-12 Shaq-12 Kobe-12 Bird-11 Wilt-9 Curry-8 KD-8

@VeinySausage

2 ай бұрын

What is your definition of a trophy? Lol

This audacity for u to have wilt out the top 5 is crazy. Having Kobe over some of those guys like bill and wilt and also Larry is crazy as well

even though he never won a ring, stats, advanced stats, and awards, how is Karl Malone not even in the discussion?

@VeinySausage

2 ай бұрын

Cause he literally was a one trick pony that had the best facilitator in the history of the game

@hepwo91222

Ай бұрын

@@VeinySausage 2 MVP's, 3rd on the all time scoring list, played in 3 Finals, not many have a better resume. Only Kareem and Lebron scored more points in NBA history.

The only 2 legends that should be up for the 🐐 debate is M.J. & Kareem. In my mind M.J. is the 🐐. And this is coming from a Kobe fan. LeBron leap frogging the other legends on your list or anyone's list is just silly. We penalize K.D. for picking up 2 easy 💍💍, but that same logic NEVER applies to LeBron. 😅😅😅 Nice video. But I disagree with the order of your list. But we're all entitled to our own opinions.

@krimezone

7 ай бұрын

Great point

@michaeltrenier

7 ай бұрын

AGREED

@treysolo925

7 ай бұрын

Thanks, @@krimezone .

@treysolo925

7 ай бұрын

Thanks, @@michaeltrenier .

@VeinySausage

2 ай бұрын

No but the problem is your opinions don’t have context so it’s invalid

Curry 😂😂😂

Kobe didn’t play for stats he played to be the best.

Are we sure Big O should be over D Wade over even Jerry West?

@user-cn8nu6lq4w

3 ай бұрын

Even Jerry West? Lmao. West was better than D Wade. So was Big O.

The awards and all those total stats things have to be divided by seasons played. If you want to really compare how good somebody is, you cannot really compare someone who played 20 seasons with someone who just played 11 seasons. The guy with 11 seasons played may have won every possible award each season, but the guy who played 20 won the same stuff in 12 seasons, but went without any of them in 8. You really think the guy who played 20 seasons is the overall better player? Also career altering injuries should be factored in aswell. You cannot take seasons at the end of someones career when they had injuries like a Bill Walton, or Kobe Bryant, who were basically completely different players after those injuries. What we do in those comparisons is way too simplified and will never be a true comparison.

I find different peoples lists. Interesting. I like what you’ve done here. But they’re only five players who have ever retired as the all-time career leader in points in NBA history. Two of them did not make your top 14. I understand that going back even before Bill Russell makes it difficult to judge a player because the statistics and awards are just not there. but Bob Pettit and the first NBA superstar, George Mikan dominated their erras. Mikan so thoroughly dominated his era that the only comparisons to him are Wilt and Shaq. The league change the entire rules of the game to be able to contain these three players. That is sheer domination. Obviously scoring is not the only way to judge a basketball player. And I’m not going to argue who your top 14 are to make your cut to the top 10. But to cut out two of the clearly most dominant players to have ever played the game without an explanation seems wrong. Of course, Mikan and Pettit will not pass the current eye test. They did the best with what they had available to them. And they dominated. On the other hand, I was thrilled that you did not have James Harden, nor Kevin Garnett in your top 14. They are both self aggrandizing, front running, disrespectful chumps.

KAJ, Bird and Jordan in any top 3....the rest is subject to debate...I would wait 8 more years to see how some of the surging stars and new young talent pans out...could be that top 3 will not hold up....the rest of the top 10 is open for debate.

Kobe mj kareem bird shaq dubcan wilt hakerm lebron moses west dr j Russel

I was fine until 4-6.

Kareem has 6 rings

Hi, Good list, good method But, Bill Russel and Wilt Chamberlain cannot be removed from the top ten. One had too many rings the other too many records ( regular season, come on 48.5 minutes per game for one season 80 games, is that even human, a game long 48min) Plus if Wilt didn't exist the Russel's rings would lack luster ( NBA with ten team, plumbers blablabla) and vice versa if Wilt didn't lose against Bill people would say the same kind of thing ( in fact they allready do) We're talking about greatness remember. Second, Stats tend to put LeBron too high. Wait before curse or kill me. Let me explain. First imagine If in the money time you need a hard to get bucket to win a game Who will you choose between Bron and Bird ? I dare people to say Bron Statisticly wise Bron is better but in reality you choose Bird all day. Look at Russell westbrook got pretty good stats with no rings around. True, I just defend Chamberlain because of his stats and records, that's just show you how great he was. This guy was leading in all the stat avaible his all career, and established the majority of nba's records. Back to LeBron 10 finals 4w 6d is worst than 10 finals 6w 4d from Kareem Abdul jabbar What is better 4 MVP 4 rings 4 final mvp Or 6 mvp 6 rings 2 final mvp? Lebron lead in a stat 2 times in 21 years ( scoring and passing) Kareem 7 times in his 11 first years ( rebound once scoring twice blocks 4 oh yes and they didn't count blocks his four first year) It's personal dominance on the League, lebron only dominate the eastern conf 8 years (in a raw) pretty awesome but From 99 to 2K14 the spurs and the lakers dominate the league 16 years 13 finals 10 rings Then come the warriors 5 years stretch 3rings Lebron 25ppg minimum for 20 years that's impressive Kareem more than 21.5 ppg for 17 years it's not that far Now when you look at all that are you sure that lebron pass kareem in greatness In career point yes, but Kareem scored only one 3pts LeBron 2410 Do your math. Like I said first stats tends to put LeBron too high Finally tim seems to high kobe too low Yes kobe play with shaq and magic play with kareem why only kobe is sanctionned Back then it was the lakers of magic (showtime Kareem was old not as dominant as before it was team dominance with a great rivalry with bird and the celtics ) but it was the lakers of kobe and shaq or shaq and kobe ( by the way my favorite player is shaq) Tim didn't play with a top ten player but robinson parker ginobili leonhard that's not a bad cast in 19 years plus big shot rob and Kerr not bad a all The 99 ring was on a shortened season ( fun fact LeBron got the other two shortened seasons rings) I'll not elaborate more. Thank you

no way KD is #2 behind only MJ

Let's be real, by the time Jokic retires Jordan will have the highest box plus minus of all time average as well. When jordan was the same age Jokic was now he was averaging a BPM of fucking 11.0😂

JABBAR HAS 6 CHAMPIONSHIPS NOT 5.

Russell was the best rebounder ever - except for Wilt.

Far from a flawless list since you think possession counts did enough to stop great players from getting better numbers in later years, and especially since no one on here especially prime magic or prime Kareem that got embarrassed by Wilt when wilt was far past his prime, and guys like jordan whom aren’t half the rebounder or shot blocker or playmaker or overall defender relative to position, comes close to the goat Wilt Chamberlain whom impacted winning in every way more than the man with the most chips ever bill Russell, beat the 2 teams at their peak that won the most in the best decade ever of the 70s, and has far more tools, feats of greatness, beat far more juggernauts, holds far more records n stats n rule changes forced etc… than he has over everyone else without ever fouling out load managing or flagrant fouls around to eject his opponents from hacking tf out him in bad shoes, but other than that and the fact that you counted awards and advanced stats that didn’t do enough research or reliable enough to apply to guys prior to 1983 and 1969 rather than just the awards and advanced stats that apply to all of them equally if you weren’t going to do the research yourself or steals and blocks prior to 1973 other than those things it’s a solid decent video that took respectable amount of hard work and dedication to come up with

Great video, but I think in the end of it all, you didn't use the criteria and the grading score and went more with the conventional wisdom. I don't take awards into account when I rank my top ten, as that is just somebody else's opinion i.e. Nash winning MVP or Kobe lol. Wilt always gets a bad rap by the younger generation, and I'm not old enough to have seen him play. But if you just look at the tape and put things in context, there is no way he is not top 5. He was the best scoring big man of all time, best rebounder, best passing big man until Jokic came along, and one of the best defensive big men or players ever. The only knock you can have on Wilt is that he didn't win more than 2 chips which by the way he won head to head over Kareem and Russell. He would have won more, but he had 7 different coaches in his first 9 years and had the misfortunate of going against the greatest, most talented dynasty ever. Also, Russell and the Celts were not old when WIlt beat them lol. The Celts won the next two years after 67'. Also, Kareem could have only won over Wilt in 1971 because Jerry West was hurt and missed the series. Guarantee that Kareem and the Bucks would not have won that year without Oscar. My main point is, if you are going to rank the best all time, you have to study all time players or what's the point. Here's a top 12 that takes into account who would win you the most, all things considered, if you drafted them at 20 yeas old: 1. Jordan 2. Russell 3. Wilt 4. Bird 5. Magic 6. Kobe 7. Lebron 8. Kareem 9. Hakeem 10. Shaq 11. Duncan 12. Curry This list undervalues stat accumulation and ignores awards

The things I have to say about this list. Jerry West and Dr J should be ahead of Oscar. Also Wilt's team success needs to be given more credit when you weight context such as the fact that he has more rings than any other non-celtic of that Era.

@hakeemolajuwon4352

7 ай бұрын

Yeah but he needed to piggyback off of Hal Greer, Chet Walker, Billy Cunningham, Luke Jackson, Gail Goodrich and Jerry West just to get two rings. Wilt was known as a terrible teammate, you should read the book the Rivalry

@mrjermz5406

7 ай бұрын

@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Meanwhile the Celtics had 5-8 HOFs at any given time. I think this list of teammates is pretty unremarkable in that context.

@hakeemolajuwon4352

7 ай бұрын

@@mrjermz5406 so basically you don't know basketball at all then? Most wilt fanboys are little kids who don't know anything about NBA history

@hakeemolajuwon4352

7 ай бұрын

@@mrjermz5406 maybe you should look at the numbers and see that wilt was the 5th leading scorer on his first ring

KD top 14??? Julius Erving absolutely clears

in the GOAT discussion i always say: MJ was the most accomplished player and LBJ was the best player ever. Whichever makes you the Greatest is up for debate