All the salt in these comments crying defending Jordan cracking me up. Y’all know King James is the goat and are determined to make everyone believe your ‘eye’ tests
@brianbarrett40802 күн бұрын
Isn't Mj a better mid range jump shooter than LeBron??🤷🏾🤷🏾
@konnerblomquist2 күн бұрын
Horrible video
@biteme-rz3ws3 күн бұрын
1.) MJ 2.) Larry Bird 3.) Joker 4.)Qilt Chamberlin 5.) LBJ 6.) Kareem 7.) Giannis 8.) Curry 9.) Jerry West 10.) Hakeem 11.) Oscar Robinson
@guadalupechavarria12273 күн бұрын
Michael Jordan is the true GOAT 🐐
@ScottySkilz14 күн бұрын
i dunno about this but i guess we shall see. boston in 4
@elpichichiii4 күн бұрын
a ring is a ring lol as à wolves fan i would love to have a cakewalk like the celtics
@TheChef4204 күн бұрын
Are you going to say the 2000s Lakers that swept their way to the finals and only lost one game to Philly did they have a too easy No but just cuz people hate on Boston y'all want to say this, And they can only play the teams that are put in front of them and you want to hold this against them come on stop the hate
@ronaldoalbano12704 күн бұрын
stating facts is not hate, every star player celtics played against were injured and that made it easy for them to go the finals... were is the hate in these facts?
@Djohnson894 күн бұрын
Celtics ☘️ in 6 🤷🏾♂️
@UnconventionalReasoning4 күн бұрын
Why do people say, "The Celtics dodged a *huge* bullet", [2:20] pretending that the Celtics would have had no chance to advance except for the injuries? Yes, the playoff run does not tell us how good the Celtics are. But also yes, the playoff run does not tell us if the Celtics are weak.
@gidster1924 күн бұрын
It’s because the Celtics 2 biggest opponents (being the heat and bucks) were majorly crippled. If those 2 teams were fully healthy, there’s a good chance that the Celtics could’ve lost either series. If the Knicks were healthy as well, they possibly could’ve overcome the Celtics too with the way they’ve been playing, and although the Cavs probably wouldn’t have won, they could’ve thrown more of a wrinkle in the Celtics path with a completely healthy roster. Even if the pacers knew how to close out a basketball game, they would’ve been up 3-1 to the Celtics, so ya, they definitely dodged some huge bullets in this finals run. Guess we’ll see what happens against Dallas.
@nicholasmartignetti4 күн бұрын
interesting how you only applied the injury win share statistic to the Celtics on the final graph?
@user-dd8ym5ow8o4 күн бұрын
Herro and bam are the best player of heat and siakam and turner are the best player of the pacers in the play off
@Gurenn834 күн бұрын
Does that same logic apply also when they had the best season record at 64-18? And having the best home record at 37-4? They cruised their way the entire season against injured teams too? This narrative was just created by their haters to downplay the Celtics while avoiding the fact that KP missed the playoffs. The Celtics had a 23-7 record against the West teams but of course no one will talk about that.
@darrenkeutzer3874 күн бұрын
They have had a very easy finals run , no team fully health would compare to okc or min, also the Celtics couldn’t dominate a injured pacers team while the mavs dominated a min team after they beat the defending champs , they are beating the mavs
@TheNbaEditProducer4 күн бұрын
The hate for the Celtics is real. Coming from a Lakers fan.
@superSIZEmee4 күн бұрын
Your believable…! 😂
@TheNbaEditProducer4 күн бұрын
@@superSIZEmee I dislike them cause they our rivals, but you can’t really put high expectations on a team that is only good in the regular season. I don’t like them, but some people are on a whole level. Still rooting for mavs though.
@UnconventionalReasoning4 күн бұрын
@@TheNbaEditProducer You're right. Getting to the ECF the past three years means that they're only good in the regular season. Yet somehow they won in the first and second rounds all three years, and twice in the ECF.
@austinplayz9604 күн бұрын
@@UnconventionalReasoning the fact that they went to the ecf the past 3 years and never won the finals is what people mean
@UnconventionalReasoning4 күн бұрын
@@austinplayz960 How is winning eight playoff series in three years "only good in the regular season"? I get that's what people mean, but they're pretending any team can do it.
@kamoterider56114 күн бұрын
ENVY IS THE WORD.....BABY
@Rebel_CP4 күн бұрын
why do you use adjusted win average for every other team that loses their star players but when it comes to the kp injury it isn’t used. I’m sick of the bias and hate against the celtics like why can’t people admit their a good team
@bwwiersig4 күн бұрын
Where are the 2024 Mavs on that chart?
@TheA6surdNerdz4 күн бұрын
4:44 Way to gloss over the fact that the 62 win Celtics team lost Kevin Garnett due to injury and the series before, they played the Bulls in a 7 game series with like 6 overtimes total. Including a game with 3 overtimes.
@Sitback5 күн бұрын
⛽ as usual my boy
@thisguysarealjerk7 күн бұрын
Kobes TS% from 00-13 is higher than Tim Duncans. Kobe was not inefficient in his prime at all. Big myth.
@cash26017 күн бұрын
In a turnover ridden league when dribbling and skills were definitely subpar
@ricoadisasmita64498 күн бұрын
lebron played longer than he is the goat? what a joke😂 longer participation doesnt mean anything, if he aint good enough for the game then he aint the best! longer..? better..? totally different! longevity vs efficiency vs effectiveness? no.. no.. longevity did not elaborate with neither.. MJ produce best ever plays in the NBA lebron only produce long good career in NBA. soo, dont be stuborn kid.. MJ way above lebron! if you aint gonna admit MJ is the GOAT, but at least dont say something stupid about a MJ 23 wannabe called lebron! kay?😂
@Thugg128 күн бұрын
1:10 but how are you not gonna mention that in 2018? Our best players got hurt Gordon Hayward literally did not play that year and Kyrie did not play the playoffs..
@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk8 күн бұрын
No
@razkable9 күн бұрын
There is no debate...only young ignorant blind lebron fans aka cavs fans from ohio think he is the goat
@JunPagatpatan-tx8mx9 күн бұрын
For me it should b Jordan and kobe 1&2 on that debate. Lebron Can't even surpass Kareem,.magic and Russell on this debate. That makes him 5-10 f you put bird, wilt, doctor j. And even curry. This player made it without a supeŕteam and note they did it on both ends.
@RBF749911 күн бұрын
Lebron will never be my goat.
@1504Shawn11 күн бұрын
The 2 greatest teams are the Celtics and Lakers, both with 17x Championships And between these 2, Celtics OWN the Lakers, they are the only franchise in NBA that have more wins over Lakers than the otherwise, Celtics have WAY more wins over Lakers, Celtics is Lakers' FATHER And in the finals 9x3, HUMILIATION Celtics are the greatest
@dothmynugs13 күн бұрын
Kobe was the only one to be in the same conversation as MJ. LeBum isn't even close...
@manichohan31913 күн бұрын
Olajuwan underated af, i dont see anyone winning a title with a subpar cast. Let alone go back to back.
@Lenny-oo2rw14 күн бұрын
I just simply hundred percent disagree with the last statement of the video. There’s really nothing LeBron can do other than win two more championships with two finals MVPs then I’ll be happy to possibly give it to him but that’s just the only way, Lebron is like emmitt smith, Barry bonds, hank Aaron, he lasted a long time and has the highest totals but is not the goat
@CourtsideHoops36514 күн бұрын
@eddiebuckets7688 well done! Really enjoyed watching this.
@djalrock15 күн бұрын
People don't talk about how LeBron has basically tarnished his career with his dirty play chokes and constant whining , getting coaches sacked , jumping teams , he's like a boxer well past his prime that just won't quit fighting
@showofhands821415 күн бұрын
If this was the most in depth GOAT video then Lebron James would not be in it.
@Mervyn182815 күн бұрын
Some are incorrect,,,compariring 15 season with 21,,,
@reaperproductions955316 күн бұрын
Why is Kobe over Shaq and why is Bird over curry😭😭.
@HooperPremium5 күн бұрын
Bird is sooo much better than Curry
@reaperproductions95535 күн бұрын
@@HooperPremium no he’s not 😭😭
@HooperPremium5 күн бұрын
@@reaperproductions9553 Yes he most definitely is. Better scorer, better rebounder, better defender, more creative passer, more FMVPs, more MVPs, I could go on and on.
The one thing that as far as I'm concerned always disqualifies LeBron James from being the goat is the simple fact that he was only a strong defensive player for six seasons the goat is always got to be a two-way player and should be among the top five if not at least the top 10 best at being a two-way player on both sides of the ball that's why Jordan is the goat
@taigetimmermann573816 күн бұрын
Also they make the odds wrong so people have a hard time winning..thats what they are doing in Vegas
@taigetimmermann573816 күн бұрын
You were absolutely right and should have bet on them to win it all
@christopherewing722517 күн бұрын
Idc playing for this long and having only 4 rings to show is crazy to me. Idc how many points you scored. That’s to be expected when you have longevity. So you’re telling me you can do all that scoring but not get to the finals???? The way you get swept Jordan would’ve never even let a sweep cross his mind. I mean help it make sense lmaooo. Jordan’s Mentality is far beyond Lebron’s. Ain’t just about scoring. That’s what yall all missing. Jordan literally stopped greats from ever even getting their hands on a ring. For bron it’s Christmas and he be handing out Rings.
@TreSoGhetto18 күн бұрын
This is nice to look back at
@VAHOSS19 күн бұрын
Hands down one of the cheesiest debate videos on KZread... to even pretend like LeBron has a chance to be called the GOAT if drags his ridiculous career out for many more years is laughable 😂
@cial6719 күн бұрын
Kobe last in advanced stats, but first in delusional nostalgia
@trevorwinn501220 күн бұрын
The 66-16 big 3 Celtics getting taken to 7 games by the 37-45 Hawks in round 1 is insane ! Then to go 7 in round 2 is insane ! Then still make the Finals and dominate Kobe and Pau is f***ing nuts honestly !
@lmAndyYT20 күн бұрын
The oldheads in the comments getting on their high horse is so funny to watch lol just making up random narratives about Lebron showing clear bias just proving they don't really love the game of basketball they preach to love its embarrassingly sad.
@renzoenzo753520 күн бұрын
I'm a Bron and MJ fan, but the 2001 Lakers is the Greatest All Time Team for me they have a complete lineup. Shaq - Low Post Monster Kobe - 3 Level Scorer Fisher, Fox, Horry - Great 3 Point Shooters Phil - Greatest Coach
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All the salt in these comments crying defending Jordan cracking me up. Y’all know King James is the goat and are determined to make everyone believe your ‘eye’ tests
Isn't Mj a better mid range jump shooter than LeBron??🤷🏾🤷🏾
Horrible video
1.) MJ 2.) Larry Bird 3.) Joker 4.)Qilt Chamberlin 5.) LBJ 6.) Kareem 7.) Giannis 8.) Curry 9.) Jerry West 10.) Hakeem 11.) Oscar Robinson
Michael Jordan is the true GOAT 🐐
i dunno about this but i guess we shall see. boston in 4
a ring is a ring lol as à wolves fan i would love to have a cakewalk like the celtics
Are you going to say the 2000s Lakers that swept their way to the finals and only lost one game to Philly did they have a too easy No but just cuz people hate on Boston y'all want to say this, And they can only play the teams that are put in front of them and you want to hold this against them come on stop the hate
stating facts is not hate, every star player celtics played against were injured and that made it easy for them to go the finals... were is the hate in these facts?
Celtics ☘️ in 6 🤷🏾♂️
Why do people say, "The Celtics dodged a *huge* bullet", [2:20] pretending that the Celtics would have had no chance to advance except for the injuries? Yes, the playoff run does not tell us how good the Celtics are. But also yes, the playoff run does not tell us if the Celtics are weak.
It’s because the Celtics 2 biggest opponents (being the heat and bucks) were majorly crippled. If those 2 teams were fully healthy, there’s a good chance that the Celtics could’ve lost either series. If the Knicks were healthy as well, they possibly could’ve overcome the Celtics too with the way they’ve been playing, and although the Cavs probably wouldn’t have won, they could’ve thrown more of a wrinkle in the Celtics path with a completely healthy roster. Even if the pacers knew how to close out a basketball game, they would’ve been up 3-1 to the Celtics, so ya, they definitely dodged some huge bullets in this finals run. Guess we’ll see what happens against Dallas.
interesting how you only applied the injury win share statistic to the Celtics on the final graph?
Herro and bam are the best player of heat and siakam and turner are the best player of the pacers in the play off
Does that same logic apply also when they had the best season record at 64-18? And having the best home record at 37-4? They cruised their way the entire season against injured teams too? This narrative was just created by their haters to downplay the Celtics while avoiding the fact that KP missed the playoffs. The Celtics had a 23-7 record against the West teams but of course no one will talk about that.
They have had a very easy finals run , no team fully health would compare to okc or min, also the Celtics couldn’t dominate a injured pacers team while the mavs dominated a min team after they beat the defending champs , they are beating the mavs
The hate for the Celtics is real. Coming from a Lakers fan.
Your believable…! 😂
@@superSIZEmee I dislike them cause they our rivals, but you can’t really put high expectations on a team that is only good in the regular season. I don’t like them, but some people are on a whole level. Still rooting for mavs though.
@@TheNbaEditProducer You're right. Getting to the ECF the past three years means that they're only good in the regular season. Yet somehow they won in the first and second rounds all three years, and twice in the ECF.
@@UnconventionalReasoning the fact that they went to the ecf the past 3 years and never won the finals is what people mean
@@austinplayz960 How is winning eight playoff series in three years "only good in the regular season"? I get that's what people mean, but they're pretending any team can do it.
ENVY IS THE WORD.....BABY
why do you use adjusted win average for every other team that loses their star players but when it comes to the kp injury it isn’t used. I’m sick of the bias and hate against the celtics like why can’t people admit their a good team
Where are the 2024 Mavs on that chart?
4:44 Way to gloss over the fact that the 62 win Celtics team lost Kevin Garnett due to injury and the series before, they played the Bulls in a 7 game series with like 6 overtimes total. Including a game with 3 overtimes.
⛽ as usual my boy
Kobes TS% from 00-13 is higher than Tim Duncans. Kobe was not inefficient in his prime at all. Big myth.
In a turnover ridden league when dribbling and skills were definitely subpar
lebron played longer than he is the goat? what a joke😂 longer participation doesnt mean anything, if he aint good enough for the game then he aint the best! longer..? better..? totally different! longevity vs efficiency vs effectiveness? no.. no.. longevity did not elaborate with neither.. MJ produce best ever plays in the NBA lebron only produce long good career in NBA. soo, dont be stuborn kid.. MJ way above lebron! if you aint gonna admit MJ is the GOAT, but at least dont say something stupid about a MJ 23 wannabe called lebron! kay?😂
1:10 but how are you not gonna mention that in 2018? Our best players got hurt Gordon Hayward literally did not play that year and Kyrie did not play the playoffs..
No
There is no debate...only young ignorant blind lebron fans aka cavs fans from ohio think he is the goat
For me it should b Jordan and kobe 1&2 on that debate. Lebron Can't even surpass Kareem,.magic and Russell on this debate. That makes him 5-10 f you put bird, wilt, doctor j. And even curry. This player made it without a supeŕteam and note they did it on both ends.
Lebron will never be my goat.
The 2 greatest teams are the Celtics and Lakers, both with 17x Championships And between these 2, Celtics OWN the Lakers, they are the only franchise in NBA that have more wins over Lakers than the otherwise, Celtics have WAY more wins over Lakers, Celtics is Lakers' FATHER And in the finals 9x3, HUMILIATION Celtics are the greatest
Kobe was the only one to be in the same conversation as MJ. LeBum isn't even close...
Olajuwan underated af, i dont see anyone winning a title with a subpar cast. Let alone go back to back.
I just simply hundred percent disagree with the last statement of the video. There’s really nothing LeBron can do other than win two more championships with two finals MVPs then I’ll be happy to possibly give it to him but that’s just the only way, Lebron is like emmitt smith, Barry bonds, hank Aaron, he lasted a long time and has the highest totals but is not the goat
@eddiebuckets7688 well done! Really enjoyed watching this.
People don't talk about how LeBron has basically tarnished his career with his dirty play chokes and constant whining , getting coaches sacked , jumping teams , he's like a boxer well past his prime that just won't quit fighting
If this was the most in depth GOAT video then Lebron James would not be in it.
Some are incorrect,,,compariring 15 season with 21,,,
Why is Kobe over Shaq and why is Bird over curry😭😭.
Bird is sooo much better than Curry
@@HooperPremium no he’s not 😭😭
@@reaperproductions9553 Yes he most definitely is. Better scorer, better rebounder, better defender, more creative passer, more FMVPs, more MVPs, I could go on and on.
Magic is way too high 😭 and bird.
We have magic over Steph in 2024😭😭.
As he should be
@@HooperPremium delusional
@@reaperproductions9553 5 rings - 4 rings 3 FMVPs - 1 FMVP 3 MVPs - 2 MVPs All-Time Assist leader - All-Time 3PT leader
The one thing that as far as I'm concerned always disqualifies LeBron James from being the goat is the simple fact that he was only a strong defensive player for six seasons the goat is always got to be a two-way player and should be among the top five if not at least the top 10 best at being a two-way player on both sides of the ball that's why Jordan is the goat
Also they make the odds wrong so people have a hard time winning..thats what they are doing in Vegas
You were absolutely right and should have bet on them to win it all
Idc playing for this long and having only 4 rings to show is crazy to me. Idc how many points you scored. That’s to be expected when you have longevity. So you’re telling me you can do all that scoring but not get to the finals???? The way you get swept Jordan would’ve never even let a sweep cross his mind. I mean help it make sense lmaooo. Jordan’s Mentality is far beyond Lebron’s. Ain’t just about scoring. That’s what yall all missing. Jordan literally stopped greats from ever even getting their hands on a ring. For bron it’s Christmas and he be handing out Rings.
This is nice to look back at
Hands down one of the cheesiest debate videos on KZread... to even pretend like LeBron has a chance to be called the GOAT if drags his ridiculous career out for many more years is laughable 😂
Kobe last in advanced stats, but first in delusional nostalgia
The 66-16 big 3 Celtics getting taken to 7 games by the 37-45 Hawks in round 1 is insane ! Then to go 7 in round 2 is insane ! Then still make the Finals and dominate Kobe and Pau is f***ing nuts honestly !
The oldheads in the comments getting on their high horse is so funny to watch lol just making up random narratives about Lebron showing clear bias just proving they don't really love the game of basketball they preach to love its embarrassingly sad.
I'm a Bron and MJ fan, but the 2001 Lakers is the Greatest All Time Team for me they have a complete lineup. Shaq - Low Post Monster Kobe - 3 Level Scorer Fisher, Fox, Horry - Great 3 Point Shooters Phil - Greatest Coach