I love these. Thanks.

Thank you , it helps me put God in this perspective. My mind needs to ponder on this very thought. Thanks again. Russ from Oregon

I'm watching all of these

@anastasiatsatsakouli6181

3 жыл бұрын

Me too!

Very good video. Thank you.

Another great vid

I think one thing that is beyond our minds power to comprehend is the idea of eternal/eternity. It’s one thing to accept the idea that God has been around for all eternity. It’s another thing to try to wrap your mind around it because our rational mind always wants to ask... well when did eternity begin? Well eternity, the one God has occupied never did have a beginning.. that’s the challenge. Neither does God have a creator nor a start date. He just always IS. Like He said I AM THAT I AM. It makes sense and it sounds good but it’s beyond our capabilitity to fathom and comprehend since everything we’ve ever know has a beginning and an end. Then. God says HE is the beginning and the end. And NOW! We opened up a whole new can of worms to dig into If I could ask God 1 question. I suppose it would be What were you doing BEFORE you said “Let there be light”? Also, I sometimes like to entertain the idea that God could potentially have an infinite number of planets with an infinite number stories being told across an infinite galaxy. It’s only a thought I play with but it does make sense along with the idea of His eternal character and omni’ness. It could even be that the angels and demons and Lucifer himself could be created beings destined to be apart of our reality/eternal story. Who knows. God could have infinite layers of infinite celestial realms, telling an infinite number of stories across and infinite number of perceived kingdoms because it would be possible due to his eternal omni’ness and neither you nor I nor Arch Angel Michael nor Lucifer would be any the wiser. And if that were the case.... MAN! It would be so cool to be God. He’d have to be having a good time with all that! And the fact that He is able to sit back and take it all in, it’s incredible really at how deep the idea of God and “Being” could actually go. Although for us it is to know one thing and one thing only, the eternal omnipotence of the love and compassion of our Lord Jesus Christ and if that’s all I will ever know I would be totally satisfied in that.

As for God the Father and time, this is what Jesus meant when He taught that we could not comprehend the Father; yet, the same who claimed that the Father was incomprehensible, declare sophistries that they do not comprehend themselves! And worst! People take their sophistries and made them into doctrine!

These are fascinating and very enlightening videos. Thank you 💯👍👍👍

As long as we do not describe the timelessness of God as God having the ability or actually existing SIMULTANEOUSLY in the past, present and future, then we are good. The quotations you cited though were more for God's eternal existence and if you equate that to the timeliness of God then I agree. Most philosophical discussions on the timelessness of God that I hear imply that God has that "simultaneous" ability and that is attributing to God a power beyond what he cares to admit. That is not only unbiblical, it is utterly ridiculous, maybe even insane.

Thank you for the video! I learned new perspectives on this that I did not know the early christians wrote about. I have always thought that "God is outside of time" was a modern cliche. Apparently not! I have usually not agreed with this statement because it makes people think that God does not participate with humanity. In other words, God is outside of time, so He isn't listening to our prayers, and He isn't actively working with mankind to bring them to repentance. But these quotes helped me to see how to harmonize both views. God is in the past, present, and future, and in that sense it makes God outside of time. In this sense, being "outside of time" does not limit Him from also participating in time as we see it.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! That certainly is a good realization that can motivate us to experience God. I really like the thought that God is actively participating in everything in our lives. After all, the truth is: He is not far from each of us. :)

@patrickhamilton7849

Жыл бұрын

Very true.

In some ways the concept of time began in Genesis 5 and God called the light Day and the darkness he called Night. God remains timeless however and only our earthly existence is measured by time.

There are 4 options: 1. Time has existed forever but will end 2.Time is eternal (both past and future) 3. Time had a beginning but won't end 4. Time had a beginning and will end. Cases 1 and 2 can be dismissed by logic alone. If time went infinitely back, then it would have taken forever to get to the present. If it takes forever to get to now, then now couldn't be happening yet because an infinite amount of time has yet to pass. In fact, it is impossible to pass an infinite amount of time. Therefore, time must have had a beginning. Cases 3 and 4 cannot be so easily proved and thus warrant closer investigation. There's no reason (logically or scientifically) to believe that time won't end; neither is it logically necessary for time to end nor do we have a known mechanism by which time would stop. However, as Christians we know that there will be an end to time because Christ tells us in the Gospels that He will return one day and that this world will end. Perhaps that could be interpreted to mean that only the Earth (and humanity) will end and the universe continue, but I think the meaning is clear: the world/universe as we know it will end. Here's the important bit: because time must have had a beginning, there must have been something to set it off because everything must have a cause. Our only reasonable answer to this is God, God must have started time. It is entirely correct then to say that God created time. But can we say that God is time? No, for as we've proved, time must have a beginning. If God is time, then God must have had a beginning, in which case He would no longer be God. Whatever caused Him to exist would then be considered the true God.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great comment and for sharing your philosophy about time. You bring up a good aspect to this subject. While this video focused on God's nature, you are focusing on time itself. I mentioned "philosophy," because that all human beings can do to understand time itself. I really appreciate your perspective. [At this point, I started to sharing a lot about what I philosophize about time, but, in the end, I'm not sure it is that important that we understand how time truly works. Just like the subject of my earlier video, "Early Christianity on: Understanding God," perhaps time itself is also beyond our ability to completely understand it. God bless!

@jacobvandermerwe109

4 жыл бұрын

Hello both, i appreciate your views. I gave it some thought as well a while ago. My conclussion was that our limited understanding and context of how we acknowlege time is different to who God is in essence. Since we live in a fallen world where everything has a beginning and end and everythimg deteriates, our thinking is structured in such away that time is a definite. If we had to measure things around us outside of time where eveything could lasted forever such as the everlasting Father, then tim wouldn't exist, because you will not be able to meausre it against anything. And what will you measure since the qaulity or trade never deteriates. Thath being said, i therefore believe that because who God is, is He outside of time and that He doesn't have a beginning nor a end. If i may add, assume a day will never ever end and you dont know when it started and you dont age, would time matter? It might if you need to do routine tasks or if you work with thimgs that would not last, but my point is that time would be irrevelant. Blessings

@ChristianConspirator

11 ай бұрын

Nah, 2 is the correct answer. The only logical problems with a past eternity are with crossing an infinite series. But that's not what happened since there were no events. The first moment of time did not begin to exist, and the second moment was the creation.

The sun and moon creations of God were made for mankind's time and seasons. Genesis 1 God is unbegotten in timelessness and movement from his eternal thoughts to speech is time. John 1:1, Isaiah 55:11

This is very cool! Thanks! If God was outside of time, this would make him, or at leat part of him, a platonic idea. Maybe part of him is strongly transcendent. But if he is, there is the need to introduce the mediator that acts inside of time. As an sct cannot happen outside of time. Maybe he is not.

Really enjoying this series. Do you plan to do lessons on the Son and the Spirit individually ?

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting! Yes, I hope to release more videos in this series this year, Lord willing. God bless you!

TO POST-APOSTOLIC CHURCH OWNER I had more thoughts recently about the timlessness of God and the creation of times...everlasting times, Time in Genesis 1 in day, before the end of day 1, and solar/moon time by the end of day 4. Isaiah 55:11 and psalm 33:6 seems to imply one source emanates both Spirit and Word into Time. Movement of Spirit over the waters, the Word/Widom calling out to humanity. Like is a trinity/ trio needed to be both Timless / ATemoral and Temporal in time. .. Like one source timeless, and Spirit and Word temporal Any thoughts on this ? Thanks in advance Shalom 👍🏻🙏

God is. I think that says it well. We like to get hung up on seven days of creation but before all that, the bible says, "In the beginning, God created..." In the beginning of what? It's not in the beginning of God because He's already there. No. In the beginning of the universe, which consists of "the heaven and the earth", which God created. In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. Proverbs 8 says that before any of this was created that God, through wisdom, had to work out all the variables. Those variables include gravity, electromagnetism, and time itself. It's impossible to get our minds around the calculations that needed to be worked out before a single Word of His mouth could be spoken - as pertaining to His universe... our universe. The Big Bang theory is Tinker Toys compared to God.

Hey brother. We had a little conversation under other video. I am strugling with the baptism with water. I was fully immersed and I think Bible teaches it clearly it is commandment and it is written „who loves me will keep my commandments”. But people are sinning even tho they try to live holy. I dont believe that you need to get baptised to be saved but many people do. There are some scriptures supporting that it is necessary but never so clearly that faith only is the mean. And there are more scriptures with what we ought to do and not always do. For me it is weird to not get baptised and it is missing out the fullness of God and it is better to do everything according to infalible God. So my question is whatever you have found out based on prenicean christians what they believed. What was their „statement of faith” lets say. For example people say „you need to believe, repent, get baptised and speak in tongues” than we are sure you are saved and for example they never mantion the must of believing in diety of Christ. Isnt believe in diety of Christ necessary? Those kind of questions :p I am intrested also in your opinnion and beside that what have you found out from the writing of prenicean brothers ;) thanks for your work!

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You are not alone in trying to understand God's commandments. I don't think I can help. But I can share a couple things. Feel free to continue this conversation! As you said, there are Scriptures that show the necessity of baptism. Why are thinking that it doesn't save? The Scriptures speak about a lot of "ingredients" that bring salvation. Baptism is one of them. Faith is another. Confession is another. Repentance is another. You mentioned "faith only." I don't like to put "only" in many places. The small word can change the meaning so much. Most Christians today believe we are saved by faith only. Even though faith might be the most important ingredient to salvation, it is not the ONLY thing that saves. James makes this clear in chapter 2. I love what you said: "It is weird to not get baptized and it is missing out the fullness of God and it is better to do everything account to infallible God." I fully agree. I think this is a GREAT attitude. It's an attitude of great faith! It's a faith that says: why wouldn't I want to do everything God has told me to do? I appreciate you saying this. What was the Pre-Nicene statement of faith? In short, it was is now called the Apostles' Creed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed You'll notice that baptism is not in the creed. This does not mean that they rejected baptism as an ingredient for salvation. The Pre-Nicene Christians were VERY clear that baptism was necessary for salvation. They wrote a whole lot about that. They had two "sacraments:" baptism and the Lord's Supper. From their writings, it seems that both of these were a "given" if you were a Christian. They expected each Christian to do these things. You mentioned speaking in tongues. Not one time in the first 3 centuries of Christianity were speaking in tongues ever an ingredient for salvation. In fact, in the 9 volumes of Pre-Nicene writings, they rarely wrote about speaking in tongues... perhaps equating to 2 pages among all those volumes. And it was never in connection with salvation. Yes, I believe that a person must believe in the deity of Christ to be saved. The Pre-Nicene Christians taught this too. In fact, this basically the FIRST belief a person has when becoming a Christian. If one does not believe in the deity of Christ, then they don't believe in Christ at all. This means the person is not a Christian. In short, I cannot see how anyone can call themselves a Christian and not believe the truth about who Jesus Christ is: deity and the Son of God. This can be seen throughout the New Testament: people becoming Christians because they confess this about Jesus Christ. Again, if anything I said sounded weird, let's continue our conversation. :) God bless!

@mateusek11

6 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church Hey friend. I’ll tell you that actually I have felt born again after confession. My heart was already repented although I did not confess verbally to my mouth and so I prayed based on Romans 10:9, household prayed for me, prayed for Holy Spirit and tongues and I was new the next day. I could probably be baptised imidietly but they did not have this concious of nessecity of baptism so I just waited for a 2 months for a free spot in baptisterium. And so I was told that confess and just be willing to go after Christ. I did it and naturally I wanted baptism but now I see as I prayer with few the sinners prayer. They are not seaking the Lord, they do not want to get baptised and now I realise my mistakes with also presentimg gospel. I will tell you that actually I quited my job and I am now at PTS , 3 weeks school from Torben, last reformation. They emphesize repentence and baptism and now I see why. Becouse sinners prayer is a prayer of feeling sorry and not a willingness to stop sin and follow Christ. And many are preaching salvation throught faith but they dont explain what it is to believe in Christ. It is to obey and lay down your life. Everyone who wants that will get baptised so the question if I have to should not arise. I tried to dodge every water baptism verses but here having them in front of my face I see it now. Conversion is a 4 step. Believe, repent, get baptised and recieve Holy Spirit. I believe you are saved in the first/second step but if you wont follow baptism I have a evifence that it is maby not sincire faith. At the end Gods knows I wont condem anyone becouse one is not baptised but I would say as I found Derek Prince said: you are taking a risk, becouse every conversion in New Testament of believer was with baptism. So if I see something wrong or distorted I will act. And so should be our life. Lay down, and salvation I see now that it is not one day in past, it is something I should keep tight although it may be hard to lose it there are warnings to hold on to it and walk it out, and run the race. So it is the blood of Jesus only but what I see baptism is part of means to recieve it. Pawson has really nice set of teaching on this. Yeah, so few days and I got a little bit different aproach :p but this is becouse I see that sinners prayer changes nothing. Still if someone would not know about baptism and would believe and repent in geart I think it is okey for God,but now as I see what for ex. Acts 2:38 says I will preach it. Sorry for mistakes and long post. Keep up the conversation if you wish ;)

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

I greatly appreciate you sharing more about your story. I'm encouraged and honored to hear it! You said, "They emphesize repentence and baptism and now I see why. Becouse sinners prayer is a prayer of feeling sorry and not a willingness to stop sin and follow Christ." I completely agree! The sinner's prayer is not found in the Bible. It's a REALLY great thing to pray, but it is not directly given by God. As you mentioned, baptism is closely connected with the willingness to stop sin (Paul talks about this in Romans 6). I'm thrilled to read about your understanding of baptism. God bless you, brother! You have made my day by telling me your story. :) You mentioned that salvation comes after the first two steps: belief and repentance. The early Christians believed that these were on-going for the Christian and that these were necessary for salvation. But the point when a person becomes saved, according to the early Christians, was when they were baptised OR when they received the Holy Spirit. (Most writers stressed baptism and other writers stressed the receiving of the Holy Spirit.) God bless, my brother!

@mateusek11

6 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church Great to hear all that from you. You wrote „the early Christians believed that these were on-going for salvation” By „these” I understand you mean belief and repentence but the phrese „were on-going” ? I dont understand. What I feel you tried to tell that by these two things process has started but not been completed (necessary for salvation). Let me know if thats what you meant or correct me. Great to hear that it has encouraged you. It is not easy to preach becouse of many who rejects and so on but I am longing to see people changed by God and me being the vessel ;) It doesnt have to be preaching on streets although I need to break the walls of fear of rejection so it is good training but at the end I want to live the life for Chrust that no matter where I am what I do i share with out second thought to share or not to share, becouse when I have been deleying it has been only harder to start conversation. I like what Torben and these guys are doing. It is really about simplicity and obeying what Jesus commandet us to do. I also was many days excited about healing preaching and so on but I rarely did it, while spending time on how it is written in hebrew and greek the phrese „preach the gospel”, feeling that I „do” something. It is an allegory how many people live. And it is hard to actually act on word of God, and stop churchianity but go back to christianity ;) to focus on reaching ubelievers and equiping believers or confronting„believers” to be real believers. And im not saying this like Im super bold and this is my life since I remember. Ive preached and healed the sick from beginning but couldnt force myself to be 100% for God. Now I feel like I still lack this will from within but I pushed myself to place with people with whom it is easier and hopefully I will be bold enought to act alone also. You know, just a little bit more encouraging thought :) („Preach it!” Hehe) Yeah brother. It is only possible to write those things when you actually do them. So just to all of us let it be that we are lamps of our God shining in darkness. And to you my brother, become strong in spirit, increase in wisdom and may the grace of God be upon you. Ps. Sorry for so much text! :D I dont know why I am writing so much, but you seems to be intrested and I think this is intresting :D

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking more about wht I meant about "on-going." When it comes to salvation, belief and repentence are on-going. That is, belief in Jesus Christ should never end. And repentence is also on-going in that we should aways be re-thinking things and continually change for the better. These aspects of Christianity are different from the non-on-going ones. Baptism is not on-going. It is a one-time event. Public confession on who Jesus is is a one-time event; it is also something we can do as often as we want because it is a very blessed thing to preach that Jesus is the Son of God. The receiving of the Holy Spirit is also non-on-going. It's a one-time event when God seals us with His Spirit and adds us to His church. The early Christians said that either the one-time even to baptism or the one-time event of receiving the Holy Spirit was the point when a person received salvation. I hope I explained it well. -- As always, I LOVE the things you shared. I particularly like how you called it "churchianity." I like that and want to use it more often. :) One thing I can say that might encourage you in preaching is this. It's one thing to feel the obligation from God to preach His good news to the world, but the easiest way to make it happen is not to force yourself into preaching more. It's to BECOME someone who has a fire in their bones so that they will feel compelled to preach--because of the love of God in their hearts and souls. I'll let Jeremiah explain it: Jeremiah 20:8-9. For whenever I speak, I cry out, I proclaim, “Violence and destruction!” because the word of the Lord has become for me constant disgrace and derision. If I say, “I won’t mention Him or speak any longer in His name,” His message becomes a fire burning in my heart, shut up in my bones. I become tired of holding it in, and I cannot prevail. So yeah, preach it! The best way to do that is to build up your heart to BECOME someone who preaches as a natural expression of their everyday talk. God Himself is that fire in our bones. I am so far from being who I want to be in this way, so I think I'm going to pray and meditate on these words from Jeremiah and I build up my heart and soul this weekend. You are a blessing to God's Kingdom. Keep up the good work. You are a blessing to me. Thank you for all your words. May God continually bless you!

So the early church was Open Theistic?

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. I had not heard of Open Theism before today. While Open Theism is clearly defined, I would say that the basic idea behind it (which is in opposition to Calvisnism/Reformed theology) is what the early church believed. When it comes to God’s foreknowledge being open or closed is up for debate; I don’t think there is a way for us to know that. But yes, the early Church believed in the free will of every person. And when it comes to the “free will” of God, they believed that God is able to do anything except sin. (See the video on this channel on the Perfect Goodness of God.) And they believed that God was all-sufficient, so there is nothing God lacks-and I believe this includes all foreknowledge. There is nothing the Father does not know. Therefore, every “open future” is known to God, and He can direct it how He wishes… but without taking away the free will of mankind. This is the best way I can describe it. God bless.

@patrickhamilton7849

Жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch I believe Open Theism would be God not knowing the future. That's something different. I think brother Daniel (GodismyJudge) summed it up perfectly.

Amen brother. The concept of Time is said by Scientists to be defined by the Second Law of Thermodynamics which shows all things winding down, i.e. what is ordered becoming increasingly disordered aka decaying... moving toward its end or finality. God is eternal, or revealed in mathematics as comparable to infinity. Where finite numbers exist, there is a need to count but when unlimitness comes, keeping track of time intervals is unnecessary. God is called the ANCIENT OF DAYS in Daniel 7:9 “I watched till thrones were put in place, **** And the Ancient of Days was seated; **** His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, Its wheels a burning fire; 10 A fiery stream issued And came forth from before Him. A thousand thousands ministered to Him; Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him. The court was seated, And the books were opened.

@patrickhamilton7849

Жыл бұрын

Amen brother Brett.

god is not time. good grief.