While I am ALL about an aggressive interior attack, and getting water directly to the seat of the fire, when you have 30+ firefighters on scene relatively quickly, and the entire back of a home going with two urgent exposure problems, it is inexcusable that there wasn't a knockdown of exterior fire and exposure protection in place simultaneously with the interior push.

@andyoxleyonhistravels

3 жыл бұрын

Well said, spot on.

@johnd5815

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the life hazard in this three and half story PD takes priority in the initial tactics..........just saying

@jimmorrison3830

3 жыл бұрын

Life 1st Property 2nd. Since they were told There was no more life in that house shouldve Protected the exposure

@andyoxleyonhistravels

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmorrison3830 That is exactly what I heard on the video. Saying that I think it is pretty clear that there was enough manpower to be conducting searches and protecting from fire spread.

@johnd5815

3 жыл бұрын

It is a known “fact” that people under that type of duress can in fact give information that is not accurate, including but not limited to people left in a burning structure.

I’m sure I wasn’t the only one screaming at this video “charge the damn lines, PUT WATER”

@af.7992

3 жыл бұрын

I was frustratingly yelling the same thing too! Why on earth did it take so long for them to get water going in more than just the left rear of the main house? I would have expected there to be more water hoses going on the right side of the house and also cooling down the house to the right to prevent it catching fire. I feel terrible for the residents of these homes, to have to helplessly stand by and watch everything they own get destroyed while so many were there looking like spectators instead of firefighters. Maybe there was issues with getting the water, problems with equipment or just poor leadership in general but it was distressing to say the least. I do hope that no residents or firefighters were hurt during this fire.

@richardeggleston8087

Жыл бұрын

True I am wondering if FDNY isnt going woke and have to ask permission to do their job

@larryreinke6136

Жыл бұрын

I've noticed with most of the fire videos, it seems that fire departments are pretty inept fighting fires, I feel it's unions and there BS attitude that is causing this. I drove truck and can say union trucking company's are just as useless.

@danf3937

3 ай бұрын

I'm never impressed by them either

@danf3937

3 ай бұрын

They always operate like there's a fucking drought

9 mins before they used water externally, they could have stopped the house next door from catching fire! Very poor

@noobody-can-t-fixit

3 жыл бұрын

Thought that too. "Quick attack" looks different. Even if they have no water supporting line ready, they have watertanks in the trucks or not?

@benpaynter

2 жыл бұрын

Seem to see that a lot. Slow getting water on, meanwhile they're busy ventilating so that the fire has loads of oxygen to grow.

@jayboggie738

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.could have placed a line on the 2nd exposure to keep it from spreading.

The amount of time that line sat slack while the 4 exposure was catching and spreading, unbelievable. That family must be furious.

Wow!! With all of FDNY's manpower, why on earth would that guy do a Vent Enter Search with no backup???

@caomhnoir386

3 жыл бұрын

You don't VEIS with another firefighter. You are taught to break the window enter alone and go to the doorway, check the hallway then shut the door and search the room quickly and get out. Usually a secondary firefighter monitors from the exterior.

@jackh577

3 жыл бұрын

@@caomhnoir386 I agree, one goes in alone, but a backup at the window is critical. That was my point. Again, with all that manpower, no way he should have been solo.

@lindahoff7391

3 жыл бұрын

@@caomhnoir386 So where was the firefighter "monitoring" from the outside. The anchor needs to be spotted at the tip of the ladder. That was ridiculous. And not one effort to suppress the fire on the delta side to help the guy out.

@darylprescott8130

3 жыл бұрын

Atleast back up footing the ladder, lucky that firefighter got out safe

@chrisplummer923

3 жыл бұрын

Wow where is the water? All that manpower the exposure should have been a priority to keep things under control. I'm not usually one to complain about other fireman but I feel like a lot could have been saved if they focused on the D side better. And thank God that fireman was not killed. Does the fdny not have a 2 In 2 out policy?

The fdny burned that place down. I have never in my life seen this poor of a job on a attack.

@waynehunter7480

3 жыл бұрын

Why use straight streams? When I went through training at my dept. we were told straight streams were for reach not close up firefighting..

@anthonylittle7553

3 жыл бұрын

@@waynehunter7480 FDNY only runs smooth bores

@claudeconde5573

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@sukoo1

3 жыл бұрын

@@waynehunter7480 also seems like that was cooking pretty good. Staight streams can penetrate to the base of hotter fires that. Fog might just evaporate before reaching

@DWBmotorsports

3 жыл бұрын

@@waynehunter7480 lmao

I was a firefighter for 25 yrs in a lg city never in all my yrs did I see so many fireman just standing around not taking any action on the house to the right and a deputy jus standing in the drive way doing nothing and being useless what a discrace there should be actions taken against these officers That’s all I have to say

@21lt

3 жыл бұрын

That’s called freelance firefighting. A big no no. The Incident commander runs the incident and you don’t do anything unless he says so. You can tell him what you see but you cannot do anything your not assigned to. It’s all about safety whether you like it or not. I do agree though, they should have had a large diameter line between the two houses.

@wasntme20

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think they have heard of water extinguishing a fire they all seem to run around like headless chickens achieving nothing watching the house burn down & all armed with tools that do nothing to put a fire out I am not sure what type of training they get it must be how to tackle a fire by not using water but if you watch it long enough it will go out water

@darkdodger137

3 жыл бұрын

@@21lt Then that incident commander should be relieved of his position.

@davidlenzi3551

Жыл бұрын

@@21lt Advising the IC is also a part of a coordinated fire attack. Improvising to prevent an exposure extension means that an engine company can assign itself to the task and advise the IC of the reason and get permission to operate on the exposure issue. The D side exposure extension could and should have been prevented. I would like to know what reasons contributed to this failure on that issue.

@davidlenzi3551

Жыл бұрын

@@JB91710 Fire in interior walls has to be extinguished by an interior attack I stand by my original comment earlier in the comments.

There was no reason for the exposure to burn except incompetence

Omg, that second house never should’ve caught fire!!!

@jamieleigh5389

Жыл бұрын

That van never should have caught fire

They should investigate why this went from a single dwelling to multiple dwelling and vehicles involved.

I cannot believe how horrible of a job FDNY did on this. No exposure protection. Leaving the ladder to burn. Watching the van and then the exposure burn away. Everyone just standing around doing nothing but watch the place burn down.

@normanwyatt8761

20 күн бұрын

One of the first commandments of fire-fighting is To NEVER bring a wooden ladder to a fire.......Chuckle, Chuckle.....

Never in my life will I understand why they just stood around and let it get that bad I mean good lord didn't even spray any water until it set the other house and van on fire just amazing and yes I was an firefighter for quite a few years so I know how and what works

@DWBmotorsports

Жыл бұрын

You were a volunteer James. You barely know how a razor works.

@angelojoldavid3122

Жыл бұрын

Yea I see very lol waiting big fire water spray 🤣🤣

@heathertownsend949

Жыл бұрын

Well I’m from a generation of over 100 years worth of firefighters and 1st Responders and the same for my husband and I and we absolutely do NOT understand ANY of this ESPECIALLY when a ladder truck was there and extended. I’ve fought city and county same as my husband EXCEPT I’ve probably had more high rise fires than him. BUT I DO NOT KNOW 1 dept in the south that operates like this (not saying there aren’t) JUST SAYING IVE GOT ALOT OF CITIES & towns and friends and family throughout Mississippi and they do not operate like this. Houston, Texas (the part where my brother lives I can attest to the same) and also parts of Louisiana, Mississippi Alabama and Florida oh forgot Tennessee. Just saying….the north operates differently on ALOT

@DWBmotorsports

Жыл бұрын

@@heathertownsend949 what dept do you work for heather?

@DWBmotorsports

Жыл бұрын

@@heathertownsend949 you don’t understand why a fireman would go into a burning building looking for trapped occupants? What type of firefighter are you, your family, and your southern Baptist friends if they don’t do the job?

No matter how many times I watch FDNY videos, there is always a army of firefighters just standing around. Did any of the command staff do a 360? How could they have not known that exposures on the Delta side we’re at risk?. I know that rescue operations were taking place, And that takes precedence. But they had plenty of units already on scene. I love the shot of the loan fire fighter, entering the second floor on the Delta side where the fire was most prevalent. This is how firefighters get killed!!.. The fire ground seems like a free-for-all, and this is what you get when this happens!

@fdMT_EnGy

2 жыл бұрын

At a residential like this one I understand what you mean with a lot standing around. But the bigger row buildings...4,5,6 story buildings they are all there standing around for a reason. Back up, rescue companies, squad, FAST, relief, everyone at the taxpayers has a purpose. They're not just standing there for no reason.

@DiscordC

8 ай бұрын

thats becuase they are standby's, only 4 in on the attack team4 X the number of active hand lines, 2 on each tower ladder bucket, 1 to operate the bucket, one to work the cannon, 4 search and rescue team ( this is doubled or tripled based on the size of the building type of building and number of residents reported still in the building. 4x the number of teams needed) 4 to exterior exposure the rest on standby( 4 x the number of teams needed based on the size of the fire/building number and or extent of burning exposers, , once their air tanks run out four will take their place from the standby,( 20 minuets MAX on the air tank) the first four go to the RAC station or to their truck or both Truck to change out air tanks, and RAC station for refreshments as needed,

@007desir

3 ай бұрын

This is LLN NOT FD

I'm from Boston. I watch Boston Fire and NYFD and I'm telling you, if that was Boston, they'd have had water on the back of that house in less than one minute. That van would have never went up.

@stuartleyton8097

Жыл бұрын

Agreed Shawn--the first firefighting tactic is "get the wet stuff on the red stuff". A master stream knockdown for 1 minute or so would have prevented the extension of the fire to the second house and the van--not to mention a hose on the side of the second house prior to its ignition would have helped too--for the life of me I don't understand the delay in using water--all I can think of is possible evacuation of residents.

@garyphillip2928

Жыл бұрын

That was very poor fire fighting.. like wat were they waiting on?? rain to fall??

@Marrio49

Жыл бұрын

I’m from Boston too and I know what real fire fighting is all about. I agree with you. That chief and officers should be fired. Totally inexcusable for what happened there. I lived next-door to engine 40 in East Boston in the late 60s and early 70s and went to many a fire with the boys. Most of the time it only took 3 to 4 minutes max for them to arrive at a fire and water within 2 minutes. This is a very shameful representation of fire fighting for a major city.

@cheferic6969

3 ай бұрын

Interesting note, watch in the beginning when it seems a line knocked the exposure on C side, looked like a garage roof...so there was a line back there to knock D and that exposure, not sure why they didnt. Command had no control of this scene.

@culinary531

3 ай бұрын

@@Marrio49 lmao Boston fd has. the most visits by niosh and osha every year for their incompatence

I’m from a firefighter family. Never have I seen such ineffective fire fighting. No excuse for this bad work. Civilians in front getting in the way. Terrible.

Can somebody who works for FDNY please explain why you would go up a ladder through a window to do a search with heavy fire crawling up next to you when you have a completely uninvolved entry way on the front of the structure?

@andrewmunro5152

Жыл бұрын

He was in his position as "OV" ( outside vent ) it's his job to vent adjacent to the main body of fire and conduct a search for potential victims.

@jeepcj852003

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmunro5152 this is true, but when there are no credible life hazards, AND the room is clearly a death trap..... It's just not good judgement. It's a small building with credible occupant info and a serious fire threat to that room. Not a good move.

@whermanntx

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmunro5152 they need to reconsider tactically what has savable lives.

@qiurenqmarsh180

Жыл бұрын

@@jeepcj852003 As soon as I saw him carrying the ladder towards the window I had a feeling that he was going to do what he did when it was not the right thing to do. He was looking to be a hero and turned out to be an almost burned-up fool. IMHO

@kingsilvers69

6 ай бұрын

This is a moronic move. You do not go into a building fire without a BA partner and with no firefighting media. It was reckless

Total shambles - who's in control? Single fireman breaks window and enters with no backup???????? What???????? No defence of adjoining houses ???????? What?????????? Trust there was an investigation after this dreadful effort! Almost 12 minutes in and they are only now getting some water on the neighbours house!!!!!!!!!!

@SocialistDistancing

3 жыл бұрын

Ya, it seemed that they weren't concerned about the exposure on the right. That could been prevented. But I wasn't the decision maker.

@jeffreyjazzo2444

3 жыл бұрын

I said the same thing where was the exterior fight to keep it from jumping it makes no sense all that equipment and it still jumped to another house

i have never seen firefighters as slow to get water on than American firefighters, its fucking amazing

Unbelievable the amount of time to put water on that fire.

They allowed the second house to catch fire, I feel so sorry for the residents.

@Lucky7MudMowers

Жыл бұрын

12 min in the video. then they start with water....why??????? SAD POOR WORK ON THE FIRE DEPT>

@Spirit444

Жыл бұрын

@@Lucky7MudMowers I personly feel they are enept, and have absolutely no clue what they are doing, a public enquiry should of taken place because that fire could of been controlled from the start, i cannot fathom what i'v just watched 😡

👍 I love listening to all the firefighters talk . I love the accent. I could listen to them all day!!! I have a friend from Jersey and we all drank together and joked around about his accent. I would hear him say " that's what I'm talkin about" and I would repeat it and sound just like him. My friends moved to Houston or Dallas, Austin somewhere around there. I miss them alot!!!! 💙

Well, that was a poor effort

Such poor leadership! Heads should roll over this.

@DiscordC

8 ай бұрын

lets start with that new woke commissioner

@Michelle-us3dg

4 ай бұрын

Unbelievable i was a FF for 30 years in a socalled Banana republic and this seldom happened and the lack of leadership is astonishing. They don't know what their doing.

Another example of the whole world not understanding American firefighting tactics. Greetings from Germany

@villebooks

Жыл бұрын

And another example of lousy infrastructure with power cables hanging below trees and over streets, houses built with wooden facade cladding, these buildings look like they were from the 19th century! Oh yes, greetings from Germany - feel sorry for the firemen getting attacked for poorly fire protected homes and no budget invested for proper power/water lines here - and of course, I feel sorry for the impacted families. Hope, they get some crowdfunding money from the online community.

@RobYoung

Жыл бұрын

I am an American firefighter and I don't understand what their tactics were on this fire. Yikes!

CAT LEFT BEHIND. For those concerned about the lady's siamese kitten that hid under the sofa, and could not be found, the fireman later found him safe and sound in the house

why is it takinmg sooooooooooooooo long to get an exterior attack going????? God even in this city i live in with a small fire dept.. they know damn well to set up up monitors and hit the fire from the outside!! WTF FDNY?? standing around ?? no reason what so ever for this to get out of hand!!

@AbitibiMac

3 жыл бұрын

I was almost screaming at my laptop screen wondering where the heck the water was!

To Matt Flickerson and anybody else that commented, I don't know your knowledge of firefighting, but I worked for FDNY for 1 year but did a whole career of almost 30 years with another metropolitan fire department and probably saw more fires in my 1st year than most suburban guys see in a career and FDNY does pride itself in aggressive interior attack, but watching this fire and many others on KZread, I am left scratching my head in what appears to be incompetence. Granted, as a KZread viewer I am not privileged to the information that chiefs, officers, and firefighters on this scene had, but not to at least do what we refer to as "darkening down" the fire or knocking it down a little from the outside is inexcusable. This is a department that I saw run a captain out of his own house because he ordered an exterior attack on a well involved vacant house fire with no exposures. This was the right move. But the yahoo adrenaline junkie firefighters did not like this, so they organized a cooking strike at the firehouse until the captain transferred. This is how serious they take an aggressive interior attack. Since I saw no water exiting windows from the inside or any early flame extinguishment, I have no idea what they were doing. I did see some flames from the Bravo side upper 2nd story go out but I saw no evidence of that being done by an interior handline and it did not look like it was put out by a tower ladder. The chief that was interviewed at the end said there were 220 firefighters on scene. That is more firefighters than my city and most others even have on duty at any time. FDNY complains about being shorthanded and understaffed. They are spoiled with manpower. There are some small cities that are like all ghetto and run down, like Gary, Indiana, and East Cleveland, Ohio, just to name 2 that do more with so much less. East Cleveland has at most 12, but sometimes 10 guys on duty, counting the officers. FDNY does not count officers when you ask their company manning. So if you ask how many they run with on a truck, they will say 5 but it is really 6 because they don't count the officer. Many departments run with 2 -4 total bodies per rig. A normal box response for FDNY has more than a 2nd alarm fire where I come from. At most fires, the majority of their men are standing around because there is only so much work to be done. Do you really think they needed 220 firefighters at this fire? Even in the bitter cold when you send in relief crews early, there is no need for 220 firefighters. The chief even admitted this turned to an exterior attack. Much of an exterior attack is automated, meaning tower ladders are applying the water and some master streams or 2" lines are used outside. Any more than 30 firefighters at this fire, they are just getting in each other's way. Have more on standby for relief, but relief of what? Who was working here? Like I said, I don't know if pack rats were living in this house so maybe stairwells were blocked or perhaps even burned away if the fire got a big head start. There could definitely be factors here that even an experienced firefighter or chief would not be aware of from the perspective of watching this video, but from my perspective this video was more about what was NOT being done than what WAS being done. Because they are the "busiest" and supposedly the "best" fire department in the country, the civilians just assume they are the best and know what they are doing. Although I was only there a year and it was over 30 years ago, I questioned much of what I saw, but now because of KZread I question much more. I have seen numerous FDNY KZread videos where it has taken over 5 minutes to get water on the fire. Where I come from 90 seconds is slow unless it is upper floors or a sandpipe operation. So I only have info from the video but if this was titled "Fire in Mayberry", everybody would be criticizing the incompetence. Just because it is FDNY, don't assume there is competence. The on scene chief here may be able to explain some things away, but there was just too much NOT being done to justify these actions, or should I say inactions. Then there are all the fires I was at where members "tap out" from exhaustion and take the rest of the shift off. Are you kidding me? I could spend hours at a fire, be soaking wet, finally clear the scene in service and not get back to the firehouse because we get another run, maybe a fire but possibly even a 1st responder and we have to go into someone's house wet and smokey, or right to another fire, but some of these FDNY guys "tap out" and go home. I have seen whole companies tap out and the city won't hire overtime so they company is closed for the remainder of the tour. Most guys just talked about getting their medals and hopefully their 3/4 disability pension, and that was another joke to see how guys get fully pensioned off. One guy I got hired with developed asthma, which may not even have been job related. Less than 10 years and he goes home with 75 % of his average top 3 years for life. It is great to have the security of a benefit like that but taking advantage is something else. Some high ranking chiefs do a whole career where they make over 250k a year, and suddenly after at least 20 but maybe 25-35 years retire but go out with a disability so it is tax free. They had not lifted a hose line in 10 years and went to work every day, but because the department doctor says he has a bad knee or back, now all the sudden he is disabled. He truly earned his pension by working at least 20 but maybe even 40 years, but by getting the disability it iis now tax free. There was an FDNY doctor, which was a part time job. Being a doctor, he obviously never fought a fire but the doctors get the same benefits as the firefighters, so when this doctor had to have heart surgery, he was granted a full disability pension, and was able to continue his civilian career as a doctor. In the FDNY, there is a slang term called a "square rooter", a bit of a misnomer if you ask me. It refers to the FDNY AND HOW scammers or people that know all the tricks and angles. So someone that gamed the pension may be referred to as a square rooter. If the public really saw what lies behind closed doors at many of the firehouse, they would be screaming bloody murder. Most former members would not talk this way but this deparentment is lucky that I didn't walk away with the key to the city for what my captain let his men do to me. This is not sour grapes, but I just wanted to be a firefighter, and not wanting to cause waves, I did not pursue litigation but I quit that job on the day of the deadline application to take the entrance exam for the city I had left in order to relocate to New York, to go back where I came from and took a job delivering pizzas until I could get rehired, and there was no guarantee that would happen. If these guys decide for whatever reason they don't like you, you don't have much of a future in their department, and since I was an outsider, I was their perfect punching bag. They had the nerve to call me on the phone right after I resigned to tell me I was crazy for leaving and if I acted quick and pulled my retirement papers I could come back. These are the same guys that bullied me, threatened me, and called me ethnic slurs for a year, while my spineless captain stood by and watched it all and blamed it all on me. They just figured I would never leave. They were pissed because they lost their bitch and their punching bag. There were a handful of real good guys and just a handful of drunken assholes that made my life miserable. One of the good guys took me out to lunch and invited another FDNY member that I had never met. This member was my same ethnicity, specifically my same religion, of which only makes up 2% of the department. He wanted me to sue the department. Over 30 years later, he was probably right but I was afraid the lawsuit could jeopardize my chances of getting rehired at my old job. I did get rehired and did a whole career and got promoted and am now retired. Getting hired and sworn in by FDNY is the 2nd proudest day of my life. My proudest is when I determined I didn't need their shit and quit to take a job delivering pizzas, just in the hopes of getting my old job back. There are about 12,000 guys on FDNY. I only knew a couple hundred. Maybe over 11,000 or even 11,800 of them are great guys and I just got stuck with the few assholes on the job, but that still does not mean this department is as great as they are made out to be. Watching just this one video should prove it, but there are plenty of questionable FDNY videos out there. Most FDNY members don't even have their union decals on their cars. Why? Because there is a lot of animosity between FDNY and NYPD, so a decal is an invitation for PD to pull you over and most of it in my opinion is FDNY's doing. FDNY members and supporters my criticize my post, but what do I have to gain? I walked away over 31 years ago. If I still feel this way, there must have been something to justify my feelings, and the videos don't lie either.

How the mighty have fallen. Seen a number of big FDNY fire videos where they seem indifferent at best. Boston FD knows how to fight big fire-big water-deck guns asap. I would be not sleep well living in NY with these slowpokes.

Got to say I’m quite surprised at how FDNY handled this fire. There was NO protection on the exposure 3 side. The fire burned with auto exposure to 3A. A lone fireman enters the building on the side that was roaring and barely made it out, his helmet and bunker gear were burning. Could they have moved the TL over and soaked the 3 side!!! SMH

@DWBmotorsports

3 жыл бұрын

The OV position on the truck regularly enters burning buildings alone......

@DWBmotorsports

3 жыл бұрын

Just to add.....if you or a loved one were in that room you’d want that fireman to come look for you. Wouldn’t you?

@CC-gr7gf

3 жыл бұрын

All they know how to do is break windows when they don’t need to. Unbelievable. I hope somebody got demoted over this mess.

@thomasfox8000

3 жыл бұрын

You mean exposure 4?

@virgilhilts3924

Жыл бұрын

Your words proving you've never worked a fire in your life

Why did it take so long to charge t he lines?

@scootertrash911

3 ай бұрын

The driver may have forgotten how to put the Engine in pump gear.

Very often these guys are so slow getting any water on these fires, was a good 20 minutes before any on the right side of the building. Had they not just stood around they would have prevented that second house catching fire. Even when they did finally decide it was a good idea to put a hose on it, there's like 40 if them standing around and just one hose.. I'd have been pissed off had that been my house. Second house going up was preventable.

@quizzy5307

3 жыл бұрын

so why don't u become a firefighter?

@jurgenkuhlmann9194

3 жыл бұрын

@@quizzy5307 You don't need to become a firefighter to ask questions merely by using Common Sense - and notice that it had taken more than 10 minutes to spray water onto the fire so that the adjacent building was in flames, which it wouldn't have if the firemen had put up a defensive line to protect it!

@mlo527

3 жыл бұрын

They were searching the house. You don’t run water while doing a search. Searches take time. Not sure why they didn’t put water on the second house to keep it from catching but guessing they had their reasons. These aren’t amateurs.

@murrayhall908

3 жыл бұрын

@@mlo527 I think that is exactly the point nigel was making!!!!!!!!

@jurgenkuhlmann9194

3 жыл бұрын

@@mlo527 All right, thanks for the info! No, of course they are not amateurs, in fact it is I who is not a fireman, so I do not want to sound too nosey! Regards, J.K.

Time to retrain or fire who ever was in command of that fire.

As a firefighter for 15yrs. that's the worst and slowest response I have ever seen. Lack of water, no attention to exposures nothing. Total chaos!!!!!

Last time I checked, ground ladders don’t put out fires.

I’m not a Firefighter and don’t claim to know anything about it. But with that said it’s seems to me that they had the resources and the time to prevent the house next store from catching fire.. 🚫🔥

As a viewer from the Netherlands, I was very very supprised how this fire was fighted. How in the name was it possible the the neighbouring house got fire? If they had a hose from the beginning then this was not happened. When I heard that 225 firefighters where involved the more I was supprised..

@daddams2538

11 ай бұрын

Union work

@drwheycooler8423

11 ай бұрын

They messed up...

@snowthewolfskypup

5 ай бұрын

They all work different positions and roles just like at a restaurant, not everyone knows or can do everything, for example, a ladder crew aren't pumper crews

@diamondback6653

4 ай бұрын

Cube doctrine outside. Prbably not in the American firefighter curriculum. I also have so many questions. The guy entering the building on his own coming out as a steak i would return to the kitchen - very well done? No buddy system?

That young fellow got a roasting for nothing ,he’s one lucky firefighter working on his own ,searching no backup no water what!! hope he’s ok

@davidrogers6287

3 жыл бұрын

That's his job. When you work on a truck company, you don't have water and a'lot of times you search on your own.

@paulp96275

3 жыл бұрын

David thanks for that I didn’t know that, brave folks stay safe

@chrisdavis395

3 жыл бұрын

Its called freelancing, no reason to go in especially by himself. They confirmed that there was no one else inside!!

@andyoxleyonhistravels

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidrogers6287 Thats why you have the highest lodd and seriously injured of any developed country. You keep sending them in to well developed compartments in a well developed fire with no hose to protection then you are asking for trouble.

@retireeslife4013

Жыл бұрын

You take an informed risk ,like someone is still up there or you see someone up there. That appears to be a very unnecessary risk.

When are they going to learn to suppress fire from igniting second dwellings. You CAN do a search with suppression going on outside.

OMG! I guess these guys never lose a basement!

@bisonturbo

3 жыл бұрын

it ensures a fire departments success rate lol

@johnjablonski9292

3 жыл бұрын

That's the motto of the FDNY,,,,,God what happened to that department

Biggest thing the irritates me about NYFD is their lack of speed on water. They're always just standing around with command doing nothing but setting up multiple units, etc. Just get water on the fire and set up units on the go, it's not that hard

@suesmith5746

Жыл бұрын

The city was built without very many hydrants. I f you are running a line 3 blocks to a working hydrant it takes a lot of time. Not saying that was the case here but too often it is. Also due to old pipes the water pressure is low, so each hose usually has to come off it's own hydrant.

@WitchidWitchid

Жыл бұрын

I used to wonder about that too. Very often they are attacking the fire from inside. So while you may not see men standing outside squirting a hose into thr windows you will suddenly see the fire darken down and the smoke.turn into steam. It's because they were inside the whole time putting water on it from inside.

@timothyryan8244

Жыл бұрын

@@suesmith5746 tank water tank water

@908pop

5 ай бұрын

@@suesmith57469

I'm at minute 7:30 and it looks like even now nobody seems to spray a drop of water in the fires direction. Instead, they seem to want to fight the fire with this lances. Seems to be the right way 🤣

Why they dont protect the other house...? Only a few whater..

I shocked to see the amount of people the firefighters had to walk around to do their job. But then again Command and Control totally lost it. I hope there wasn't another fire a block over. These guys would be like the keystone cops trying to get to it. The lady with the garden hose and phone gets a that-a-girl 🏆. At least she knew to point at the fire.

A quarter of an hour and still no water spray. 🤔🤔🤔.And already the house next door is on fire.Unbelievable, they stand and watch, I'm stunned

Well stated and I so agree. This is FDNY, then act like a first rate fire division!

Slow with the water!!!

I have no firefighting experience, but didn’t they take an extremely long time before using water?

@andyoxleyonhistravels

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes ,just a little bit.

I have never seen anything more pathetic in my life. A fantastic brace firefighter goes up the ladder into the fire. Nobody is backing him up or watching him. No external hose line between the two buildings. He was lucky to get out on his own just in time. They better get more training!

This is a good example of not having a Plan of attack in the beginning

Good Lord it took long enough to get water on the place! This is pathetic.

Why in the world did the second house have to catch fire? Unforgivable!

I may be just a career member in a suburban combination department and a 40-year volunteer training officer but how your first priority is not to protect the exposures is beyond me. I understand that the FDNY is an interior-driven department but you have to protect the exposures first, even if that means losing the fire building.

@dennis4679

Жыл бұрын

What about all the people in the building? Shouldn't you get them out first?

@judgefonti5786

2 ай бұрын

@@dennis4679 They had an excess of manpower. 20+ FFs standing around and they could flow more than a single interior line?

When I watch us on video it seems like forever before we get water on the fire

I'm really confused about the lack of water to protect the house next door. Also, was the reason no water was applied to the fire earlier than it was related to the search for people in the building? Can someone explain it to me? I'm not criticizing, I'm just curious about the actions taken.

20 firefighters standing around watching that other building catch fire

40 min in and they still putting out this fire just crazy

Is this why the fires are so big? They basically wait and allow it to grow and get into spaces where it’s a pain in the ass for overhaul AND burn the exposure as well? I could take 2, 3 person engines and a 4 person truck and it would be out and that Firefighter wouldn’t have been scorched. Looked like he was freelancing which is NEVER good on a scene.

The mighty FDNY losing it!!

Its absolutely insane that they let that fire extend to exposures both nextdoor, and behind. The amout of man power they had, and their complete inability to conatin this fire is absurd...not only that, but they sent that fire fighter into a room with fire condition solo to do a vent entry each with no one monitoring, and could have gotten him killed. He came out on fire. This entire thing is wild.

12 mins to get water on the external fire and exposure next door what an absolute shambles.

So many videos where the house next door is ignored and allowed to catch fire. Plenty of firemen see it, but nothing gets done. "I can't move until boss tells me to move"

basically the chief at the end had no idea one of his men was nearly killed at the beginning as he went up that ladder and in to the building alone like Rambo, soon to scramble out the same window on fire nearly falling in the process!! this whole video is appalling to watch. virtually 12 mins with no line on the exterior of the house which comprised of old dry wooden slats which is the main reason it spread so fast whilst all the chiefs gather for a coffee and to embark on a plan of action. the poor house next door to the right should never have been lost. totally saveable. so so many good fire fighting displays on show on youtube demonstrating good effective fire fighting throughout America but yet again the FDNY show exactly how NOT to do it. speed is of the essence when fighting fires and the key ingredient is WATER!!! so get it on straight away instead of worrying about climbing ladders on your own to smash your way in with no hose on a suicide mission!!!

That the second house caught fire is unforgivable. One could have prevented an encroachment of the flames with a Riegelstellung, as the fire department says in Germany. This means that one or more pipes cool down the temperature between the two houses so that the other object does not catch fire. That was negligent.

Did anyone know that firefighter went in alone not even someone on the ladder keeping his exit conditions safe. The chief just standing there as comes out burning. You need to know who inside and always have backup not short of firefighters there.

Love the way we released flames of debris for these wonderful people we idolize such wonderful heroes I’m such a grateful person oh how amazing I’m shivering

FDNY: so, the plan is let's sit back and see how many houses can participate in this fire. Me: 🤯

That wind just fed that fire. They say 3 homes were impacted. Not sure if they mean upper and lower as two homes or literally 3 homes. The man carrying down the elderly man lived next to this house and his house where his mother, father, sister, dog lived was destroyed. They did not have renters insurance and they lost everything. Top it off he is a firefighter for New York for 5 years. He was not working that day but stepped up to carry that man down. It am sure they were in bed as this started at midnight. Those houses had to be dried out tinder boxes, as they kept reigniting over and over.

30+ firefighters countless hoses and it still took just under 12 minutes for any water to be put on the side of either houses....even if the house on the left was being assessed or sorted or prepared. Why was there no preventative water sprayed on the houses either side...baffled

Have to ask, is the city charging the fire dept for water. Keystone cops of fire departments.

I'm watching this disaster 2 yrs after so I really hope this FD has learned how to put water on the fire MUCH quicker. And protect an exposure.

Some fire genius explain to me why it took so long to get water on that fire??? And why all those fire scouts didn't get fire on the house to the right to stop that disaster too??

Maybe the battalion chief should speak up and put a truck company on a hand line. Something went horribly wrong at this job. The main objective at the end of the day is to extinguish the God damn fire. So stretch a line & go to work or go back in service. Contrary to modern belief WATER actually puts the fire out , not 10 relief truck companies. Desperate times call for desperate measures. This should be used at the ROCK of what not to do for training purposes.

@K7008B

3 жыл бұрын

Send this video link to McSweeney

Pretty sure someone got yelled at after that one. Talking about dropping the ball.

Wow I’m a volunteer FF in pa guys your other structure protection was horrible here . Idk where I live we are trained to get hand lines in the house first of course but second third hand hand lines are our out and doing other structure protection especially when fire is not contained inside the original structure ! With it blowing out the side already you already no the structure is already going to be gone most cases so protecting adjacent structures are priority. I hate to arm chair QB and criticize because, unless you have been the person there firefighting there’s always things that happen or always looks like your not doing enough . This case though with homes being so close the chiefs should of been ordering structure protection right aways because now you have three house fires going and it gets to be a pain in the as when they get into the eves and into the attics , making it super hard to get to the fire and the water damage destroys everything inside the damn house ! I mean come on guys 10 mins into this video and there not one hand line on either side and that god damn ladder truck is so irritating when they prioritize them up front . We don’t do that anymore because all it does is block fn another engine crew from being able to pull enough hand lines out to make the difference! Especially in this case there’s no row home here that you need the ladder truck up to trench roofs from it spreading down the block . All that ladder do is get in the god damn way of a engine company from being able to pull at least 4 hand lines or there blitz line that prob like ours has a gated Y or water thief that ya can put two hand lines on or use the blitz line for your deluge gun that would of knocked the shit out of that fire fast .

Why the hell is a fire fighter up on a ladder on the side of the structure,,when the fire is burning along the same side ripping through like the house is made of balsa wood and card stock????

Wow that house must be wrapped in cladding 😳😬🙈. It a nightmare I hope all involved are safe.❤❤❤

Dear firemen, Water puts out fires.

The fire moved faster than the firefighters.

Those of you stating that volunteers don't have the expertise or experience of paid firefighters aren't doing anyone any good. I have been a volunteer in cities and rural areas. I have fought house fires, indutriral fires, high rise fires and on and on. I have seen and fought the types of fire shown in this video many, many times and this still doesn't make any sense to me regarding all the manpower they had and they couldn't do a better job of protecting the exposures at the very least?

Because the bravo and delta exposures should have a line on them. I dunno I wasn't there so I'm not going to be too critical. Water problems or power lines or something could have been a factor.

all them guys standing infront of the alley with an uncharged line just watching the fire grow instead of getting water on it! the exposure building should have been protected priority! and no one footing the ladder for the guy that went in the window! did command even know he went it or was he acting solo? so much wrong with this event! 44min in and there looks to be close to 100 fire fighters just standing about!

I am a little confused as to why it took so long to get water on that fire. That side exposure went up FAST.

A fireman climbs into the building and nobody stands on the ladder and waits for his colleague to come out again. Then he comes out. Almost on fire. What was he doing in there anyway? And why the hell am I still not seeing a jet of water at this point?

@darkdodger137

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure anyone knew he went in.

08:20 That look scary! Awesome Video!

I can see WHY it went to a 5 ALARM with ALL THOSE FIREMAN STANDING AROUND DOING NOTHING...

I wonder what caused the fire to become so explosive between 8:26 and 9:50? Also, the houses here are way too close to each other, making it too easy for other houses to catch on fire.

It is like they have no training!

piss poor firefighting standing around all should be fired no excuse

On most american Structure Fire Videos u see a lot of Firemen carrying and placing Ladders around the Buildings, but no Water... Sometimes it seems the american Fireman have a Ladderfetish. The most important thing is Water to extinguish and secure structures around...

Lots of inaction by crews on scene leaves you wondering if there was an unknown factor preventing a more direct attack. Strange. Radio traffic would be worth a listen.

I don’t get it. Even befr van really caught fire WHY didn’t they put water rt away on neighbors home‼️‼️

I kept looking through the comments for something from a professional fire fighter defending what I see in this video or explaining that all the hydrants were dead or SOMETHING to explain what I saw. Nothing.

Poor ol man💔‼️ “Early arrival” and poor response!! They could have saved the other House🫣 Feel sad for these people💯

This is what happens when you recruit Forrest Gump for every position in your fire brigade

That OV has balls of steel. It must sound like the liberty bell when he walks. Idk about the bearded armchair quarterbacks on here but if my kid was in that room I’d want that guy getting his ass in there and looking. He did his job.

Interesting note, watch in the beginning when it seems a line knocked the exposure on C side, looked like a garage roof...so there was a line back there to knock D and that exposure, not sure why they didnt. Command had no control of this scene.

I think whoever was in command should have called the police to usher out anyone who had no business being in that road. Unfiretrucking believable.

Agree with comments below. An amature performance, completely out of character for FDNY. No water for 9 minutes, and allowing fire spread to second house-inexcusable. A silly excursion by a single member on an extension ladder to break a window near a totally involved conflagration--thank God he survived. Looks like a rural volunteer fire department whose motto is "We haven't lost a foundation yet1'

This video is a perfect example how NOT to approach a firefighting and rescue action.