Reminds me of how Zeus wasn’t the head deity in Mycenaean culture, but Poseidon was.

@eccoeco3454

16 күн бұрын

Yes but that is a whole different can of Worms because it intersects with pre indoeuropean religiosity and we don't really have a clear idea of that

@christianavila4362

15 күн бұрын

Based on what I hear Poseidon and Zeus were initially the same god

@KHTimeProtecter

15 күн бұрын

@@christianavila4362 Not really. Zeus was always his own distinct existence. But during the Greek Dark Ages, people rearranged the pantheon to fit their new social dynamics and Zeus was given some of Poseidon’s stories as his own. Most notably how he became Persephone’s father by the time Classical Greek became a thing. Hades, on the other hand, likely was an offshoot of Poseidon like how Hermes was once Pan.

@Weedwizard600

15 күн бұрын

@@KHTimeProtecterhades was a off shoot of Poseidon ? Any literature where I can research this?

@KHTimeProtecter

15 күн бұрын

@@Weedwizard600 Overly Sarcastic Productions, specifically Hades and Persephone. Red mentions the theory, but a quick google search might show other papers on it.

Sky Daddy

@maxborn7400

14 күн бұрын

ok, you're not welcome to the class anymore

@josebravo5125

13 күн бұрын

Bust a nut into the sea (SpongeBob SquarePants!!)

@josephinehendricks

Күн бұрын

funniest reddit millenial humor

In some Hispanic countries "Dios padre" is a common alternative to "Dios mío" ("oh my God"), taken straight from the bible. Always intetesting to see where language, religion and cultures interact over time.

Dyaeus Pitar Means Deva-Pitri ( God and Forefathers) देव पितृ , like you mentioned in your early videos deva meant god of sky, like wise pitri means fore-father or father

you mean to tell me all these people saying "sky daddy" are technically historically correct

@adrianblake8876

13 күн бұрын

It arose as a dysphemism (casual speek) of the more formal "our father in heaven", which is also used in Hebrew by Jews, and refers to the seat of the gods (sth. like Mt. Olympus in Greek mythos) rather than the god's dominion...

@ww2germanhero

11 күн бұрын

Not really, because they are speaking in a way to ridicule the idea of a Heavenly Father Deity. In reality, people were using tangible mundane things to illustrate stuff from a transcendent realm of reality. Like when we say "the little voice in your head" to represent conscience or intuition. You can't access conscience or intuition via five senses, but it's still there.

@RobotacularRoBob

3 күн бұрын

Atheist edgelords loveto trivialize concepts and ideas they don’t understand or have connections to.

Dyaus Pitar, Djous Pitar, Ju Piter Dyaus, Zeus, Deus, Dios Hmmm interesting 🤔

@arsen1522

16 күн бұрын

Isn't that concerning ?

@goshdarnitman

16 күн бұрын

Deuce Bigelow 😮

@nkanyezihlatshwayo3601

16 күн бұрын

‘Greek’ Jewish translators wrote in… Greek?

@untitled6391

16 күн бұрын

​@@arsen1522no, just cognates

@Joao-id4dn

16 күн бұрын

yes, seems like different words for the same universal idea

Is there a full big video coming on PIE religion? 😅

@jmfana9154

16 күн бұрын

Hope so!

@bobdathang3229

16 күн бұрын

He made a full length video about this around a year ago

@adamtaylor6126

15 күн бұрын

@@bobdathang3229 so he did. And it looks like I watched it, too! 😂 Time to rewatch it, I guess!

@jmfana9154

15 күн бұрын

@@bobdathang3229 Mostly focused on the Sky Father figure and some other figures I believe, but not really a more broad look at what we can know about PIE religion generally.

In Georgian, which is not an Indo-European language, there is a "Ma'ma Xe'tsi'er'i" which is basically a sky father, skyly father or something like that

Would the Vedic Dyaus Pitr match up with the Greek Ouranos/ Roman Uranus more. It’s strange the name was adopted for the storm deity who rules the heavens when Indra does not get Dyaus Pitr’s name. I don’t really know too much about PIE mythology so I would love to learn more.

@caliburn1123

16 күн бұрын

Dyaus Pitar translates into Dyaus Father, Dyaus is the manifestation of the sky. Not exactly the storms. He's not Indra. Indra is the king of the Gods, God of War, Storms, thunder and lightning

@johneli495

16 күн бұрын

Both cultures seem to be influenced by ideas from Hurrian civilization from around the middle of the 2nd millennium BC. They are not the cultural source for the idea of the Sky Father and what they have is corrupted

@shatzco

16 күн бұрын

What is Vedic? I do not find any archeological evidence or inscriptions in India about this Vedic, sounds like a made up stuff in the 16th century.

@LoudWaffle

16 күн бұрын

The Vedic cognate is Dyaus, god of the skies/heaven, as well as the devas which means “those who dwell in heaven.” There were many shifts in belief that happened which changed the importance of hypothetical PIE deities. For example in Zoroastrian deva instead refers to a race of demons, reflecting a sort of religious revolution that relabelled the proto-Sanskrit pantheon as forces of evil (this is reflected in the etymologies of several Zoroastrian terms). Also Tyr in the Norse pantheon had a relatively minor role in the versions of the belief and mythology that has survived down to us, but he is the direct cognate for Dyeus in that language/culture branch. Likely had a more central role long ago, then was slowly “phased down” as deities like Odin and Thor rose in prominenece.

@caliburn1123

16 күн бұрын

@@LoudWaffle it's said that the Zorrastrian religion emerged as their current religion became corrupt and rigid. Their previous religion could have been the Proto Indo European religion thereby making the beings that were once Gods as demons and demons as Gods. For Ahura, as the people there used the pronounciation of 'h' instead of 'sh' so Asura becomes Ahura. So Asura the demon becomes Ahura the God

It's important to note that later vedic pantheon emphasized on Indra. Who exercised a similar role to Zeus in the Greek pantheon. Indra was the king of the devas (gods of the vedic pantheon) and resided in a realm akin to heaven, i.e. in the skies. Wielded a similar weapon on mass destruction to Zeus' lightning bolt, the vajrayuda. He was also known to go behind his wife's back and sire children all around. He also also is associated with storms, thunder, lightning, rain. Also seems to have assimilated other traits like fertility, war, etc. He has similar character flaws to zeus in that he is also quick to anger, does covet other men's wives, not witty at times. Indra himself is the offspring of dyaus who shares a lot of similarities with ouranos who is Zeus' grandfather. Ouranos like dyaus personifies the sky itself. Dyaus much like ouranos married earth (prithvi/gaea) and had children. The name ouranos itself has some etymological likeness to Varun who is the god of the seas in the vedic pantheon. I think as these tribes moved apart, they moved around names/traits associated with those names. You see this with norse mythology too. Even though Odin is the all knowing divine Father figure, thor is the god of thunder.

The only thing i remember about Dyaus Pita was that he killed my best girl’s parents in front of her while she’s playing hide and seek. Till this day, i still felt tremendous euphoria when i saw it’s dead body while i devoured him for parts.

Indra(dyaus pitra) is the major deity in rigved. Is said to be the supreme creator and helper of human kind. All the sacrifice goes to him. But Rigveda also mentions a the surprme creator vishnu, who made the universe. But vishnu is mention only in 5 hymn and indra in 250. Well fun fact: greeks aslo used to worhsip krishna, but they called is hareclues, they even made a pilar dedicated to krishna in madhya pradesh in some 100 200 bce. Where krishna is the vishnu and supreme god and above all. Heracleus is minor diety i guess.

A lot of stuff about PIE is pretty speculative. Fun but lighter weight academically

Father sky and mother earth

Umm isn't it the same thing? Dias (Δίας) is how we say Zeus in Greek.

@Rynewulf

15 күн бұрын

Yeah it was Dios in ancient Greek, Deus in Latin, and related words in all the related Romance languages and they all got used as the base term for the Christian God. Its a good thing to remember this the next time a crazy politician or priest tries to use 'The One and Only True God' as an excuse to be awful to people, that its on record their so precious pure belief is just repackaged sky god fanatacism

@lyingboi2350

11 күн бұрын

@@Rynewulf Uhhh... and what about languages where the word God doesn't come from sky father? One can be irrationally fanatic, I'd tell you that. But at this point, God as described in monotheistic literature is too divorced from Sky Deity to be the same.

@Rynewulf

11 күн бұрын

@@lyingboi2350 well Im clearly talking about Christianity, which quickly centred itself on Greek and Latin. Thats why I specified Christianity, rather than all monotheists in general because as you point out: other monotheistic religions are based on unrelated languages

I'm jst starting to think that there is no such thing as proto indo European and it's rlly jst Vedic Sanskrit

I was actually surprised that Daoism has a main trinity of Gods and two of them are basically Heavenly Father figures, with beard and long clothes. One is the creator, the other is the "caretaker" of people. Buddha is also seen as a father figure on certain traditions.

@lyingboi2350

11 күн бұрын

However, Daoism doesn't treat the three figures as one God. Though fun fact: Protestantism in China has coopted "Dao" for the Logos, which is a way of translating it

@ww2germanhero

11 күн бұрын

@@lyingboi2350 The gods, in some traditions of Daoism, are all different manifestations of the same Dao. Honestly, I think Christians are both Mono and Polytheists at the same time. Even the ones who ignore the Trinity doctrine talk about Jesus and God as different entities, even if technically they are the same. I see as a case of theoretical Monotheism and practical Polytheism.

Hahaha Andrew you’re the best

@yagomizuma2275

15 күн бұрын

His name is Andrew?

@ChefAdoptee

14 күн бұрын

@@yagomizuma2275 yeah, he’s a whole doctor. He’s not just some KZreadr he’s a scholar and puts tons of consideration into his content

What about the pre-indo sky daddy Mumbo-jumbus! I think is ridiculous that people don't acknowledge him anymore!

@shivkumar0810

12 күн бұрын

Disowned

🕊️🧘🏼🌲Asurah. Just because you wanna say daeva don't made it any more mystical. Compare Feng shui and hou heian, Caucasians came from Brahmavatra forest and mountains! They had Oriental faith and occidental style! Your being blinded! Dao quickly come, ah! ❤️‍🔥👻👻🙏

He seems pretty similiar to the christian god.

@vashsunglasses

16 күн бұрын

The Christian god comes from the Hebrew god which in turn came from the Caananite gods Yahweh and El. The Caananite pantheon is another one of those that came from the Proto Indo European religion.

@thebelmont1995

15 күн бұрын

@@vashsunglasses That makes perfect sense.

@wes00chin

15 күн бұрын

​@@vashsunglassesYahweh is considered a foreign deity an don't cannanite

@Johnny3Batony

15 күн бұрын

The opposite actually

@thebelmont1995

15 күн бұрын

@@Johnny3Batony Not really no. The Christian god was based on this one. Like most myths they took inspiration from previous ones.

A lot of pretenders tried to usurp the kingdom during the long 4.5 billion year day 7 of creation, when Zeus was imprisoned under Mt Olympus and forced to take the bitter pill of reincarnation amnesia, eating his own godfood of Karma to prove it really was good for you

Thank God im Christian with only 1 God 🙏🏾💙🙏🏻💙🙏🏽

Aren't they the same as Enlil

@speedwagon1824

16 күн бұрын

Enlil is also a sky God iirc, but they don't have the same origin

@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915

15 күн бұрын

▪︎Enlil: Day-sky god Dyeus (Zeus). ▪︎Anu (father of Inanna): Night-sky god Welnos (Ouranos - father of Aphrodite Urania).

Close... Jupiter came from "Jus pitr" as in "au jus", and what we call the Milky Way was then known as Juspitr's heavenly caravan, the Gravy Train. The different human races were viewed as the various gravy types of Juspitr. Yes, those proto-Indo-Europeans were very progressive. I'm not sure what happened... there was definitely a Sky Father too, like for funerals, but everyone wanted a Gravy Daddy. I wonder whether AI trains on these comments, or if I have to post this knowledge on reddit, forums and social media, in order to add to our artificial knowledge base? I suppose I could comment some of those platforms, too.

@speedwagon1824

16 күн бұрын

Wrong

@Donderu

15 күн бұрын

You are wrong

Dios means Spanish

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