Oof, the hind legs movement looks really bad - not balanced, uneven, not a pretty image :((

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how many people can't see that.

@antjehester8760

2 жыл бұрын

In the piaffe the front legs and hind legs don't work together. The horse seems to be very unlelaxed.

@ohmygodch

2 жыл бұрын

@@antjehester8760 Exactly! You can see it in every transition, in piaffe, even in the movement just before the test (there you can also see slight and quite stiff head movement which is a typical motion most horses do when they are lame/unsound - sorta like a compensation thing). Of course everyone can have a bad day - BUT if your horse is in pain, you just withdraw and look for a problem, not on a dressage arena, but in the stall.

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

@@ohmygodch Yes, that head twitch and look of alarm on the horses face said it all.

@juliawood1619

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahwagland1559 the horse is getting Very confusing messages from it's rider, and doing the best it can.

I see a lame and sore older horse who's had enough and needs to be retired and blame owners, trainer and rider who continue to push, push and push. All in the name of greed. Time to retire. This horse earned it.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. The Canadians never stop though. They did the same thing with Jacqueline brooks' goose. I did a video called retiring without respect because they ran him into the ground too.

@LiSa.N.J

2 жыл бұрын

@@DressageHub Poor horse is off in his hind end. Probably hock related and also see signs of very sore upfront..knee and shoulder.

@karsynm11

2 жыл бұрын

@@DressageHub I agree with this as a Canadian.

@caroledenis7139

2 жыл бұрын

Right on.... good eye...simple and true....💝

@sheionafinn5138

2 жыл бұрын

Here here Well said 👏👏

This poor creature has had it with this job. RING sour and resentful . Give him a break... please!

I completely agree the horse is tired! And the rider I agree has very aggressive hands. I’m amazed at how well behaved the horse is considering the riders roughness. Learn to ride without your reins before this level. I think the rider is over horsed and has been often before which is why the aggressive hands, it’s a need for control because the seat and leg isn’t developed enough to handle it, so the reins become a control and safety for the rider to hang on. 🤦🏽‍♀️ this is not good horsemanship.

@OscarWilde1124

2 жыл бұрын

Is the horse overtrained?

@titanbuck7

2 жыл бұрын

@@OscarWilde1124 that hard to.say. by the way it is moving...it definitely needs a break and a restart with someone who knows what they are doing IF it was able to pass a good vet check. There are many reasons why this horse could be moving so badly.

@bella-bee

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your expert comments. I stumbled across rollkur and was horrified. Personally I can’t see what’s going on here, aggressive hands, distressed horse, I just see the control and the beautiful animal, but I KNOW there is more to it now you’ve explained. What a crying shame! I used to ride, hack, side atop and be taken for a ride, no great expertise, but I so love horses, so I’m horrified at the implications of what you’re saying and I hope the governing bodies pull out their collective digits and take us back to good practice.

@TakenByStormEquestrian

2 жыл бұрын

Lady- the horse’s twins were slack multiple times… it was by no means aggressive hands for the average dressage horse…

@angelasmith8695

2 жыл бұрын

@@TakenByStormEquestrian I thought she did her best under trying circumstances but It seemed clear the horse just wanted out

How this pair made the olympic team with their past record is truly mind blowing. What ever is going on exactly there's just no consistency here. It's all evasion and fear beginning to end.

@CocoandKitty

2 жыл бұрын

I have no idea who she or past history,.so will go have a quick Google while I wait for the rain to go away

@aliciaholford397

2 жыл бұрын

Equine Olympic pilotics

Let’s just forget the horse a moment and pay attention to the rider’s hands. How can she be riding a professional Grand Prix level and STILL HAVE SUCH AGGRESSIVE HANDS?! This alone already raises SO MANY red flags.

@caroledenis7139

2 жыл бұрын

Great point!

@natashakate5687

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@raymondwong5175

2 жыл бұрын

@@riverp9019 You’re looking at her hands after that leap her horse took. Her hands had no choice but to be soft and almost to the point of no contact with her horse because she doesn’t want to jeopardise more during the test. And she’s been so careful that her horse was performing under. But better that than more disaster. Look at her outside the ring and before the leap. Her hands were just not right. I think you’re also not looking at her elbow before the leap. Its just, stiff. Tells you how much she isn’t planning to “work” with her horse.

@riverp9019

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. I deleted that after having caught up on the history of this combination. I think she does abuse her hands but not in the ring, this could cause evasion of contact and fear responses certainly. She also has a history of spur abuse in warm ups.

@livewithmanon6443

2 жыл бұрын

Because that's not judges look for these days. Judges want the horse to be bended they don't care what the rest looks like. I don't think this rider is at fault but the industry is

Horse is SCREAMING "LET GO OF MY MOUTH!!"

@leonnZawodowiec

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I thought you can literally see the moment he’s thinking “whtf??!” At the start when he was about move the first time … out of sync I campaign for a competing in free riding ! No saddle no rains … the the true mastery comes out !!

@bananapoptarts246

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonnZawodowiec saddles help distribute weight across a horses back.

@onegypsytraveler6747

2 жыл бұрын

@@bananapoptarts246 , they do… but, if you are incorrectly balanced to start with, well lets just say your saddle isn’t to blame for that. And there would be no proper weight distribution then anyway.

@bananapoptarts246

2 жыл бұрын

@@onegypsytraveler6747 yeah, there are a lot of factors that come in when horseback riding. Balance is key, I was doing lessons and my trainer put me on a smaller faster horse, and during a trot I almost fell a few times due to being unbalanced on the faster trot.

@Kat-mu8wq

Жыл бұрын

I mean you get penalised for having slack reins..

I hate the title, thats a damn good horse, the rider is 'all out'. I see a riders fault 0:22 off centered seat and waaaay too much leg , horse is confused thinks forward it is, then she is behind movement for like 7 seconds (!) and sits back, horse confused thinks extended trot it is and delivers. Big! credit to the horse for staying in show mode and with rider rather than freaking out completely.

@lizroberts1569

4 ай бұрын

Thank you at last the voice of reason. I too see a horse who doesn’t understand what it’s being asked, is she riding someone else’s horse or maybe she only rides it in competition

I can hardly watch dressage anymore. I see the cruelty and overbearing control demanded of the poor horses.

@famouskate9071

2 жыл бұрын

This horse is clearly in pain. Doesn't take a genius to see that. When will we as a a species stop hurting our horses for our own personal gain?

@donaholleman5344

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. I can't stand watching these competitions anymore. Is nothing but violence on the horse. The only thing I can tolerate now is horse and rider go for a leasurly walk/trot/canter in nature wher BOTH enjoy being together

@mollyhorse

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@s.r.9770

2 жыл бұрын

Same here!!

@e.conboy4286

9 ай бұрын

I wonder why these whining peeps bother to watch equestrian events with such little knowledge of riding and showing. They might be happier watching ‘Barbie’.

It could be a personality conflict as well. I would love to see this horse retired; or at the least, taken back to a lower level with a new, less demanding rider.

@Kat-mu8wq

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately with dressage you aren't allowed to go too far backwards. You can enter a class one level below you, so foe this horse probably Advanced I guess would be as low as he can get. Hence why I've told my boy he isnt allowed to go higher than 70% because then I have to move up to prelim and we can't do prelim, he's just backed 2 years and he's only started learning to canter with a rider, even though we're still working on balancing his trot as he has a habit of running instead (could also be an Arab thing, running on adrenaline)

Hind movement was an issue that presented itself here. There comes a point when a Dressage horse has learned all that he can and done all that he can. Dressage horses tend to retire earlier than other horses due to how much they are worked. I love this horse to pieces and I’m sure that Brittany does too but it’s time for him to be a pasture pet.

@GretchenDupree

Жыл бұрын

I think you are right except horse may not be done, but done with its rider. I see a dislike for rider in the horse.

@salomebl5581

10 ай бұрын

No it’s time to work that horse correctly. It’s very incorrectly ridden and needs rehabbing

@lizroberts1569

4 ай бұрын

No they don’t retire early !! It takes time for them to mature enough to compete but retire early. Maybe in the US who knows.

It could be me, but it looks like the hind legs couldn’t take that anymore. The rider stayed cool, but I don’t think the horse can handle this mental pressure and isn’t having fun.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what it looks like.

Sometimes horses have just had enough, they get over doing what they were trained to do. Its not always the riders fault. Our horses are so patient with us, they may put up with what we want them to do for years, but then they slowly start to crack. There's a tipping point. It happens. I've seen quite a few patient, obedient, good horses that just one day say, 'No more!'. Their riders desperately try to find an answer but they usually don't. It's sad, but it is what it is.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's on to say it's the riders fault here

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

Reread your comment. "It's not always the rider's fault...they (horses) put up with WITH WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO FOR YEARS, but then they slowly start to crack". Insidious abuse is possibly worse than obvious abuse. As you say it's the few patient, obedient, good horses that tolerate it until they crack. It's ALWAYS the rider's fault. It's not just sad, it's tragic and it's abuse.

@emilywood8119

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahwagland1559 I think it's a bit of a stretch calling this abuse. You don't even know this horse or rider so you shouldn't judge someone so harshly. To me it looks like the horse was simply having a bad day, it happens to us all. Granted, the rider could have handled things better as she seemed to become flustered and was desperately trying to get the horse back on track with sharper cues but it only seemed to make things worse. If the horse was acting like this in warmup too, it would have been better to just pull him from the competition then try to struggle through it seeing as he was having an off day.

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

@@emilywood8119 I don't have to know this horse or rider. I use my eyes and I recognize abuse when I see it. Abuse in all aspects of our lives has become so normalised that many of us fail to see it. It is imprudent to dismiss strange behaviour as one having a bad day. There is always an underlying cause and with horses it's always human as with young children it's always the adults who have influence over them. We have a responsibility to look out for the vulnerable and call out abuse when we see it even if others don't.

@mdee860

2 жыл бұрын

I wish these horses would have mandatory days off & turnout required every day. Many top horses only ever see their stall & the arena. Work, work, work... then incessant boredom.

Even a well trained War Horse got trail ridden to the fight. These horses are stall kept, except when in the arena in training. Is it any wonder they tire of it all ..

Beginner dressage rider and omg her hands, my trainer would chase _me_ with a whip for that. Edit: looked at the vid again, the horse moves pretty oddly, especially during those passages. Seems so unbalanced

We can never know what a horse is going through. A "simple" bladder infection can bring inense discomfort to a horse just walking! They can't tell us!

@valerierowlett153

Жыл бұрын

So can years of abuse.

@gittakaufmann9945

6 ай бұрын

But as the rider with a remarkable relationship you ought to recognize discomfort at once and quit for the horse‘s sake

Spurs don’t suit all horses…he leapt forward at the start when they were applied. Would be good to see the difference in him when ridden with no spurs as he is clearly very sensitive.

@privatemailcall6011

2 жыл бұрын

Well, idk why he leapt forward... If you saw spur contact at that exact moment, then I'll assume perhaps. However, I concur regarding certain horses that are startled & bolt reactive by a spur, instead of simply moving accordingly. A bit of panic enhanced or fear enhanced reaction to a spur, I think, is from a rider, using a spur, without having developed perfection in doing so. That takes vast knowledge, experience & a true connection to both the physical horse & the horses mind. Also mandatory should be a rider who's heel is never in the horses side or even brushing against the horses hairs, unless the rider intends such. A rider who has complete awareness & feel. A rider who can easily control any boot & heel contact made with the horse. If you cant ride without heel grazing a horses side, & knowing the feel, then forget the spurs. If a horse has become dead to the touch, & ignores the rider asking, the answer is not to wear bigger, longer or sharper spurs. Its to retrain the horse to listen & respond to very slight touch. That will take lots of patience, but will be rewarding for all. Spurs can be helpful on the heels of professional trainers with natural talent & feel. Or, spurs can be destructive to everything regarding everything. Dead sides, inflicting pain & fear, creating a horse that ignores, getting you dumped, refusals, bruising the horses sides, friction causing bald spots on sides that reveal underlying bruising, negative attitudes, etc... Very few riders truly have the necessary qualifications for using spurs. I mean without ever causing a horse to feel anything negative. That's a tall order. That's almost a perfect rider. Yes, they do exist. These talented nearly perfect riders. Lucky them! Lucky horses! No, I don't wear spurs. I have before under trainer supervision. And I'm a good rider. But I don't trust my heels to be perfect. That's what spurs require. A perfect lower leg & heel. I'm good but not good enough. Bummer.

@privatemailcall6011

2 жыл бұрын

Ok, so, an addendum to my last comment regarding spurs. Anmarie, I viewed her ride, again, with sole purpose being to watch her spur contact. Oh my goodness... Yes, she's constantly into his sides. You can see the spur pressure pressing into his body. Constantly. I was like... Ohhhh not good .... Desperation had set in... for both I think. No panic, just an attempt to pull it off, which created tension, which usually fks things up. Wasn't flagrant, just makes things difficult if you cant rebound immediately, without the albatross around your neck. That also takes a near perfect rider. More spur contact is usually not the saving grace, nor is it graceful. Unfortunate, but there's hope for striving to improve everything, including the horse's well being.

@skinsciencebymira

2 жыл бұрын

This horse doesn’t look sound. So sadly doesn’t matter if the spurs were removed.

@lauravonutassy1919

2 жыл бұрын

It's more than spurs.

@dianekernodle6400

Жыл бұрын

Spurs are required at this level in FEI competitions. At least for now. Understand the rules before commenting.

He’s 33. The fact he’s still competing tells you all you need to know about the people who own him.

@aaoo25

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know, this horse is currently 16, though I do agree this is outright abusive.

Considering I don't do dressage and I notice a ton of errors... its very clear this horse is retired and shouldn't have been competing this year

This Poor horse is so confused! To say the least, That was the most disjointed “piaffe” (attempt) that I’ve witnessed in a long time! Time for some serious decompression and retraining IMHO

@jayATUK

2 жыл бұрын

If it was younger I'd agree but this horse is 33 years old and probably ring sour. He should be retired and finally get time to just relax.

What a gifted horse, shame he's so frightened.

He has different body language than what he had in the Olympics, that's for sure.

At 0.25-28 when he lunges forward and goes into extended trot; it looks like he trying to avoid ‘something’ that he knows is coming and he is trying to avoid by lunging forward. That ‘something’ could be pain.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. He bobbles in all the transitions and the ones and the pirouettes

@caroledenis7139

2 жыл бұрын

Good eye

@HollyJordan15

2 жыл бұрын

@@caroledenis7139 Thank you. I worked with horses when I was younger, a long time ago 🤣

@HollyJordan15

2 жыл бұрын

@@DressageHub Yes, bobbles is a good way to describe it. He wants to do shat he is asked of, particularly at the bit I described but something is stopping him.

This poor horse has said, I have had enough. Please stop. No more. That was so sad to watch.

The horse at the beginning twitched..he was not happy from the start (pain) but he still tried his best …😳

Reminder that it's okay to stop if your horse has a bad day. It happens. A ribbon isn't worth hurting your horse mentally and physically.

What's the Name of the Muisc?

I'm beginning to believe dressage riders are forgetting the fundamentals of this sport. Everyone is in such a hurry to get to Grand Prix, they're skipping over the basics...hmmmmmm?

A tense horse and a rider trying to manage the situation, I’ve seen worst and having better scores 🤪

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

Watch the rest of her videos then tell me you feel the same way

you can see the piaffe is being teached without it coming from the horses body. it is a trick. see how the back-half is making the strides in a rythm, but the front isn't even lifting or actively doing something. The thing with dressage is, is that very often horses like these were learned to do these exercises as a 'trick'' not as a movement that trains the body or comes from the body itself.

You certainly feel a certain enjoinment seeing somebody fail !?

@margaretbailey9966

2 жыл бұрын

Right? This person is an absolute bully! Either really jealous or just mean. Maybe both.

@karelpartouns3622

2 жыл бұрын

@@margaretbailey9966 I think both AND intensly frustrated that she has never played the important role she planned for herself. Is this mean what I write? Yes perhaps, but not halve as mean as her posts

@Kat-mu8wq

Жыл бұрын

I mean it highlights the ugly side of dressage. How half these people make it to the Olympics is beyond me. 90% of the time its rider error. Either wrong cues, or being too aggressive with hands and leg aids. They should be so subtle it looks like they're just sitting there. Like Charlotte Dujardin with Valegro. She is by far the best dressage rider I have seen yet.

Don't know what happened but this horse looked good in the Olympics!

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

Team vet happened. They do a lot of unethical things to get a horse to look sound for the Olympics. Yeah vet goes home and both Sebastian and All In are lame

@susanadams3874

2 жыл бұрын

@@DressageHub that's horrific!!!!! why no charges laid? THis is animal cruelty!!

@famouskate9071

2 жыл бұрын

@@susanadams3874 Animal cruelty is the norm in horse "sports."

Poor horse, he can hardly lift his forefeet in the piaffe. Definitely showing signs of his heart not being in it either.

How can horse lovers be ok with this horrible treatment

An equestrian sport of modern times from a schooling technique at this level to make battle mounts ridden by hardy men. Also just ridden out across country as transport, training in formation riding in just a normal walk, trot, canter, tied up with buddies when the soldiers stopped for refreshments. They were not just in the school year in year out having the movements so intensified and exaggerated that they break down. The lower levels are education to perform well doing other pursuits, out for rides, handling farm stock, able to go into the hack ring at a show, or do the jumping.

@famouskate9071

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't have said it better. As a former dressage rider and trainer, I HATE it. I only ride in halters now. If a person can't ride in a halter and the horse won't listen, then go back to ground work and start over. One leads a horse with a halter, stops, turns, etc. Do we really need painful metal in a horse's mouth to ride him, and spurs and whips? Poor poor horse, all for the sake of human ego.

@kadovax6567

2 жыл бұрын

@@famouskate9071 if you were a dressage rider and a trainer, you would know bits are not painful 🙄

I am by no means a top rider,,though this is a mess, and even I can see it. 😒

How is this poor horse nowadays? Being well taken care of? Has he been retired or something? Can someone tell me, please? Thanks for any news!!

That Poor horse looks in pain and Absolutely Miserable.

Everyone is talking about how this rider abuses her horse. But no one talks about the fact that she is perhaps the only Olympic level athlete who does not distort the horse's neck and her horse NEVER wags her tail. The head of her beautiful All in is always ahead of the vertical, the back of the head is always on top. This suggests that the horse may have a complex nature, and show disobedience only for this reason, or it may simply be afraid of new territories.

@Kat-mu8wq

Жыл бұрын

Horses don't wag their tails.. A horses tail that swishes shows the horse is using his back end to work the pace, so the fact this horse isn't means he isnt using his backend because he's either sore, lazy or unbalanced. As he is trying to do what he's asked I'd say it isnt laziness. He seems unbalanced and possibly sore.

@erovengorivens

Жыл бұрын

At the Tokyo Olympics, Isabelle Werth's (dressage queen) horse also did not wag its tail. By the way, I never saw the work of the hind legs of this horse. Nevertheless, this suggests that at least the horse was not picked with spurs. But I didn't like this performance. What the horsewoman shown in the video does is not contrary to the natural movements of the horse. She doesn't wrap her horse in a pretzel. I repeat: a horse can get excited, it can have its own character. But All In always looks happier than other horses. He doesn't froth or roll his eyes. He is not forced to wave his legs hysterically or twist his neck.

I blame it on the match up of the horse and rider. If they don't sync, they can not communicate a smooth transition on the easiest of changes or movements.

I do riding lesson with 5-15 yr olds and there hands are softer that that, a great horse, a aggressive rider

There was no harmony between the rider and her mount.

Hi! Looking for education here! I’m a lower level eventer so I know some about dressage but am obviously lacking knowledge about judging and such in regular dressage competitions. That said, how does a rider like that get that successful, to even make it to the Olympics when it is clear that she cuts corners to get the movement she does out of her horse. I’ve seen some lovely rides put in by some professional dressage riders, and I’m not saying eventers are perfect either bc lord knows we have our faults, but it seems like more and more riders are making it big that just seem like they get an expensive horse and muscle them into a “pretty” frame and hope for the best. How is that?

@aleynadunn3557

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Carmen! That's a great question. I believe that judges are no longer looking for harmony and correctness in horse and rider pairs, but rather for large and flashy movements. So essentially, a sport that used to be about how well a horse and rider worked together, is now about who can buy the biggest, flashiest horse with the most dramatic movements. Hence why you see horses like All In competing with not-so-great riders, yet still getting to very high levels in the sport. Dressage is no longer about how connected a horse is, and how developed a hind end is (which is crucially important), but rather how high up they can pick up their front legs. It's truly a shame because I have seen so many lovely horse and rider combinations, where the horse moves correctly, has an engaged hind end, and the rider communicates so harmoniously with the horse, yet they do not score well, because the horse isn't a flashy mover. You can become an Olympic hopeful for Dressage in the span of a few months as long as you have an expensive enough horse. It's very very sad, and I wish the sport would quit being so centered around money, and focus itself back on correct riding and horsemanship.

@jayATUK

2 жыл бұрын

@@aleynadunn3557 Very well said. I agree with all of it

@zyonsay9332

2 жыл бұрын

It's the damn equestrian community. Everybody relies on traditions and because its a high level dressage rider nobody dares to speak out and even if anyone would probably nobody would listen

Beautiful horse. Acts like he's bored. Or doesn't like doing it

Judges should have kicked her out , shame on them !!!!!!

That horse is so heavy on the forehand

At this u see..the horse wants to break free. This horse has seen only the bottom fom at warming up area. Tightened, more and more tightened to smash it!

is it normal for the horses to jump forward in dressage like it did at 0:25

@aleynadunn3557

2 жыл бұрын

No, that is a huge mess up on the riders part. A lack of communication and extremely harsh aids led to the horse leaping forward like that.

I'm under attack... Lets start over. My most humble apologies... I must've overstepped, idk, however, thank you, & looking forwards to new & refreshed dialogue with everyone! Happy Saturday ☮️☯️ 💞🙏💕

@Nicole-qc5dh

2 жыл бұрын

Awh...no worries. You probably just didn't have the whole picture. Nice of you to come back after a rough start.❤

@privatemailcall6011

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nicole-qc5dh Thanks Nicole! Well played. I appreciate your tactfully encouraging comment, allowing me some wiggle room. I have been known to doze off mid picture, lol!!!! This is a fun & entertaining venue!!!

Watching that made me cringe for the horse..

Lame in the right hind

Omg that horse is absolutely stunning 😍

@jocelynpearson1932

2 жыл бұрын

She's a great rider!

@Alfries

Жыл бұрын

@@jocelynpearson1932 No, she's not.

Poor creature, I' m so sorry that humans tolerate this abuse.

Rider likely felt all that was coming down the pipe. He was just off. It happens to the best too. :(.

I couldn't even watch the entire thing. Horrible....

Realize just how sour and fed up with the constant overtraining in this beautiful but demanding sport. Its sad to see at this level, however cant you see him trying to convey how much he is indicating that he has had enough! Yearning for a break and refusing. It makes me very sad.

Dass Pferd ist sehr angespannt und überfordert.

I don't think these people need to be called horsemen or women. People who truly care about horses would not sink To deliberately hurting them.

He's behind the bit. In pain. Is this a rolkur horse?

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

Sure is.

@famouskate9071

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously.

No one wants to see this, EVER, 2yrs on we are still seeing it 😢

Horse is not sound. Why didn't the judges stop the ride?

С каких пор у нас правила оценки пиаффе изменились? Почему все делают его на переду с подбрасываением зада?

@DressageHub

7 ай бұрын

Good question

I would be interested to hear comment from the rider....they know their horses best....

@Kat-mu8wq

Жыл бұрын

Its usually not their horse.. they ride it for someone else who does own it.

Too much tension and pressure on the horse even before the beginning. The horse wants to escape. It isn't loose in any way. Very aweful

The horse is so full of tension - clearly not happy

I have no idea of the mistakes here as I know absolutely nothing about that profession so-would anyone be so kind and let me know by telling me the minutes and seconds where the big problem are? Thanks so far and sorry but I really want to understand.♥️

@LittleMissEvreythin

2 жыл бұрын

The horse leaps forwards from standing at the beginning, which is not part of the test. If you look at the back and front legs when the horse is moving on the spot, they are not well co-ordinated. The horse should flow seamlessly from one movement to another but here there is some tension which makes the movements look jerky. The horse should also be soft around the mouth but at times especially as the riders brings the horse to a stop at the beggining, you might see the horse chewing and moving its nose from side to side. The pair got a personal best score 2 days before at the same competition, so maybe the horse was just tired and having an off day, hence the stiffness. Hope that helps a little! x

I'm not an expert by any means, but this horse seems like he is quite forwards and has a rider who is used to driving the horse. So it almost looks like she has to drive, stop, drive, stop every damn step. I don't know if that's a lazy ankle, or intentional, or if I am completely off the ballpark.

The horse cannot be blamed.

This horse is acting like it is in pain.

Sometimes when I see these dressage disasters, I really think that it’s just so physically demanding and these horses aren’t quite ready for such an extended duration doing these very physically demanding movements and performances. Perhaps, they should not be allowed to use those bits. Of course I can’t see what it is from here, but it does look like it’s pretty severe and some of these horses aren’t physically ready for that level of work.

@famouskate9071

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, that double bridle is very severe and the horse's mouth is often open, trying to escape the pain.

It’s as if he has an injury in the hind end

It's interesting to me how with these videos that any acting up is immediately called as the horse is in pain. First off, I wonder how many of you commentors have riden a Grand Prix test? Second: things happen very quickly in a Grand Prix test and 1 second of the rider or horse losing concentration leads to mistakes. Third: I have been told by many very famous Equine trainers that most of the time it's the rider who makes the error and this , let's just say that the rider shifts weight, this can signal something different than your " intended aid" leads to confusion in the moment and mistakes. At Grand Prix such subtle things as a slight seat bone weighting, movement in leg position or even a change in rein pressure can tell the horse to do something else. This definitely leads to confusion when in fact the horse is just responding to what you trained him to do. Again, this can lead to hops, messed up footfalls, errors in the tempi changes and count, falling out of pirouettes, etc. And finally, the Grand Prix requires the ultimate in focus and concentration again. The age and the confirmation in Grand Prix also plays a role in the flawlessness of the test. Do we know the age of this horse? How long has he been at Grand Prix? And even the weather. My big horse was very fit, as does this horse look by his physique. When it was hot and humid both of us lost our " luster ". And if the weather became cool, especially like overnight, energy abound, and we needed to try to inject it into our test. Sometimes, there was so much energy, he wasn't quite sure how to put it into the test and just lost it a bit. We have all had days when we feel " brain dead " and mentally we are slow to the event. And then there are days that we have had too much caffeine and we feel like we are bouncing off the walls. It's really unfortunate that the horse can't tell us exactly what he's feeling like, even though they do when we ride them. But as viewers of the video, we see only what we see and nothing else from which to judge from. There's no exact distance, no optimum time, no rails down, and no refusals like stopping or running out on a fence. Just what we see, and it could mean so many different things. I personally have had these days, when the horse is so energetic and strong that you wonder if he had ever learned anything, or the reverse, did you disturb his sleep and at the end of the test you feel as if you had ridden your Peloton in low gear 25 miles in the Swiss alps. My point is please refrain from the pain blame unless you see the head bobbing up and down, the back hollowed out like between the humps of a camel, or if the horse obviously is favoring consistently a particular foot or leg. Many Grand Prix horses are dealing with age-related wear and tear on their joints and arthritis. With various alternative medicine such as accupuncture and cold laser treatments, it can be managed. Unfortunately I have days that are better than others, but I am not being cruel to myself by continuing to walk or exercise. Sorry for the novel, just my opinion

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

I can't be bothered to read what you wrote but this rider has years worth of abusive riding videos on our channel so step off your soap box.

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to ride a Grand Prix test to be a good rider and you don't have to be a good rider to ride a Grand Prix test. You have to be a good rider to understand this.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

I love it when Karen's leave btw... You don't need to tell us we don't care

@themaggieMACfly

2 жыл бұрын

you spent all that time explaining how bad riding causes that flop of a performance, but it's not lameness. ok. DVM James R. Rooney described in his multiple veterinary textbooks, including "Biomechanics of Lamenss," which was taught at UPenn.... that "lameness creates lameness." That is, abnormal movement which is not efficient and balanced, continuously performed, is the very cause of lameness. that horse is unbelievably athletic to be able to problem solve as best as he is, performing horribly tense movements the entire time. it is grotesque in contrast with a horse and rider who ride for feel. to do this to a horse, you must never have experienced the feeling of balance and dialogue.

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

@@themaggieMACfly His pain may be physical or mental or both but whatever, this horse is in pain. You don't need to be an expert to see that. However, interesting point.

Not a horse problem, but a total ass rider problem!!!

Sad, sad and heartbreaking..terrible for people to push a horse who is obviously in pain and not fit to be ridden😢😢😢

That horse does NOT want to be in dressage

While dressage is high performance, the rate at which these horses go lame doing nothing but flat work on soft footing speaks volumes about how horrible the movements are from a biomechanical standpoint. Arthritis, suspensories, navicular, and I'm sure tons of them have back and neck problems that are less obvious from being cranked in all the time. My former dressage trainer had a gold medal warmblood in his teens that needed double pads despite never leaving the arena. You'll never see properly trained classical horses looking this tense and uncomfortable. The traveling school has horses in their 20s still performing airs calmly and willingly.

So tense

This is NOT the first time seeing this horrible reaction from over schooled totally disciplined dressage horses...sad.

this vid can be summed up with "Gurl whaccha doin' with yo hands?!"

This was so very sad to watch from the beginning to the end. I wonder why this combination was even allowed to show at this event--the horse was lame, sore, and obviously afraid of the rider and the rider was stiff and very unyielding with her hands and arms. Horse should be retired and be allowed to play in a nice field somewhere as someone's pet...

I’ve seen so many of these .. these horses are drilled to death .. they’re sour and need a day doing other things ..it’s kinda sad because they’re so willing ..

Looks to me like it's a test particularly at start that is much more suited to short coupled horses and he is not happy about being so energy confined so is rebelling zhe is a short whisper of a rider with a mount like that to ride, the spurs and hands are all thats there between them , hes a very large bus of a horse and he is antisipating movements in order to rush along out of the collection because its alot to ask and he looks bored in all honesty. Gorgeous horse who needs a break and a stronger rider with good effective leg and seat alot less hands and definitely pick tests that allow for more foward movements especially at start with shorter burst of collection until he can mentally and physically cope.. I wouldn't pair these two atall actually she's a nice rider but overhorsed imo and he is utterly bored being collected and needs time

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

Bored? Apparently he's old. How much time does he need? He looks unhappy and confused to me and trying to give the rider his all. I agree he needs another rider but also another life far away from competitive dressage.

@Whitetigerfyre

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahwagland1559 definitely i dont buy into hes old statements either, yrs sgo horses didn't reach top level till late late teens anyway, he definitely needs a break from competition a different rider and empathy that he is simply not built to be in that much collection for that long, we didn't see his warm ups but it was probably so contained as the test was and its not suited to him simple

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

@@Whitetigerfyre Years ago good riders gave their horses the time they needed to be mentally and physically prepared to compete at this level. And they didn't use rolkur.

@Whitetigerfyre

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahwagland1559 it also was alot less about attracting non horsey money, the commercial aspect has absolutely killed horsemanship

Why not show the whole test? Guess there were some good parts.

@DressageHub

11 ай бұрын

There is nothing good about her tests. Unless we compare it to a water skiing competition

It wasn’t their day and personally from what this short video shows I think she was kind to the horse about it and handled it very well.

@peggichen4093

2 жыл бұрын

Agreeeeeee

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

You should look up the rest of he videos on our channel. Link is in the description. I will wait

@sarahwagland1559

2 жыл бұрын

@@walton1896 Legitimate criticism unfortunately, all too often, is called "sour grapes". Illegitimate criticism is just nasty and all too often comes from the mouths of deeply unhappy people.

@heathercollins4432

2 жыл бұрын

In what universe is this considered being "....kind to the horse?" Being "kind" would be if she discontinued the ride, because the horse was obviously in trouble...

@mdee860

2 жыл бұрын

@@heathercollins4432 - 👏👏👏 Did u (or anyone else) notice the strange head twitching, twice - in the first seconds!?? It looked like a momentary neurological blip. Other than Charlotte Dujardin, I'm starting to really, really despise Dressage. Not the "idea" of it - but what they put these horses through to get to the top & once there... 😱

He's off in the hind. Not sure how no one noticed when he was being worked before the test.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

He has been lame since February. I posted videos throughout season. They jacked him up for the Olympics and now it's getting worse.

@famouskate9071

2 жыл бұрын

Way off in the hind, you're right.

Poor Horse. I don’t imagine too many horses enjoy Dressage. I think only riders do.

I would take this horse out to a nice horse farm. And just trail ride it

@Elinator2.0

2 жыл бұрын

Horse farm, big fields, no Tight nosebands, no big bits where the riders hands are bad.

@CocoandKitty

2 жыл бұрын

As much as that would be lovely, it's not that simple. These are bred to be big powerful and are often fairly hot. This horse is having a bad day that day and very tense and not happy. He wouldn't always be like that or he would never have qualified. One test is not a reflection on how he is all the time. They are not a horse for a novice rider

@angelataylor4540

2 жыл бұрын

@@CocoandKitty really is that a fact? Rhetorical I know the answer.

Sore horse and poor rider. Very sad for this precious animal.

Should it be part of the marking system that the rider as well as the horse are seen to be performing well. These judges can see quite easily how the rider is treating the horse and if the horse is uncomfortable. A bell should be rung and they leave the ring if the horse is stressed.

Very Aggressive Hands...hard to watch. That poor boy; 33 years old. He needs tender loving care now.

Stop humiliating these noble creatures!

😱 Eigentlich muss schon vorher aufgefallen sein, dass mit diesem Pferd etwas nicht in Ordnung ist.Es bewegt sich wirklich sehr unharmonisch und schlecht ausbalanciert. Ich glaube nicht , dass vor dem Turnier alles bestens war! Es war natürlich extrem unruhig , aber das erklärt auch nicht alles.

A dressage disaster seems almost always anticlimactic because the horse and rider are performing at such a high level to begin with. Hunter jumper and Arabian free style classes by comparing have occasionally very serious blowups. Sometimes I can’t even watch.

That horse is misery personified !!!! That girl should be catapulted off that horse and start riding bikes. Riders like this one give dressage a bad name. As if it wasn't bad enough as it is.

Over all it looks like the horse is in better shape and is more correct. In places he even had quite a lovely Piaffe. And was not nearly as overflexed for most of this video. Hell, that canter break at the second Piaffe pirouette looks a lot more like he stepped a bit funny. Especially in super slow mo. I’m wondering if he might actually have a case of “I feel good WOO LET’S GOOOOO” syndrome. It would be wonderful if so. When horses start to feel good they often act up. I don’t know though, I wasn’t there to watch warmup.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

He had been getting more and more lame since January

@horse631

2 жыл бұрын

Amber, I'm genuinely asking because I'm fairly new to all of this - which bit of piaffe in this video did you like? Can you give me a timestamp? Again I'm far from an expert but it just did not seem to me like the piaffe was regularly two-beat.

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

None of them were regular or correct. She also uses the piaffe fan to hide it.

@claudia273

2 жыл бұрын

@@horse631 the steps around 0:36 were decent, the first quarter of the pirouette. Lacked some energy, but seemed regular and in rhythm. The rest of the pirouette was awful, just like the rest of the piaffes. But I guess that was the part she talked about. But like DH says, pirouettes and fans are often used to hide shitty piaffes. They wil probably show the absolute minimal required amount of straight steps somewhere hidden from the judges and put some fans here and there.

@amberblyledge7859

2 жыл бұрын

@@DressageHub Well, lovely for a warmblood in modern dressage.

Looks like he's just getting through this to get it over

Started badly with tension and a miscommunication. The test is so difficult they had a hard time recovering which of course produced more tension. That's a darn nice horse with potential for brilliance as he gets stronger. Maybe not ready to show GP at this type of venue? No shame in that... best of luck to them

@DressageHub

2 жыл бұрын

He is old

@nellafrosst6453

2 жыл бұрын

They were in the top 18 at the Olympics this year.

I hope the poor horse isn't lame !!

This is horrible to see. Any dressage test or sport with a horse should be enjoyable for both - rider and horse. If it is no longer enjoyable for one or the other, then both should retire. It is a partnership, not a show of cruel dominance.

Just before the horses first freak out did you see how she snatched his mouth from side to side? No wonder he doesn’t like to do this, she’s mean