I really like this guy, Martin Rees. He makes a lot of sense to me.

@eddiebrown192

3 жыл бұрын

Dennis Tucker I end up saying that every time I hear him speak .

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

He presents as a person with humility. Unfortunately, I think people who believe in the supernatural will take this as him being wishy-washy about such beliefs. He wrote a book named "Our Final Century." He went into great detail about all of the problems we might face in this century. The book is quite pessimistic. Religions, including Marxism (today's "secular" religion) embrace pessimism as an integral part of their philosophy. Pessimism fills the pews. I think a firm renunciation of beliefs in the supernatural is called for. Otherwise godsters will just latch onto another life-line for their religion. All religions, thankfully, are slip, slip, slipping away. Humility is often a way to fool yourself and others.

@jamesbentonticer4706

3 жыл бұрын

You might like a BBC series called "what we still don't know about the universe". Narrated by doctor martin reese.

@dennistucker1153

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbentonticer4706 Thank you for that reference. I will definitely check it out.

@kipponi

Жыл бұрын

I like him most too.

Thank you for another great installment in your video series. It’s the grandest question of all, right? If “all the world’s a stage”, is there any meaning or purpose to it all? Here’s my quick “2 cents.” *We humans are predisposed, indeed hard-wired, to think that there is a meaning or purpose to anything. We instinctively reject meaninglessness. We look at the Moon and think we see the face of a man. *Thus, any proposition of “meaning” or “purpose” must be sufficiently supported and supportable by logic and evidence to outweigh our natural instinct to see meaning anyway. *Having pondered this question for close to 60 years of my life, I’ve reached the conclusion that there is a 45% chance that the Observable Universe is meaningless. This leaves a 55% chance, for me, that there is indeed a universal, existential meaning. *I think that there is a greater than even chance that we humans, with our limited senses and instruments, can never fully know that meaning. Why? Because we are forever trapped within one observable Universe of space-time, matter, energy, light and radiation. And with its specific arrow of time. And we are moving at a certain speed. And we observe things at a given point of human brain evolution and at a particular stage of cosmic evolution. Can a dog ever hope to know the contours and scope of the Planet Earth, or the theory of general relativity? There are limits to everything, right? *Yet we humans possess the most complex and miraculous “crown jewel” of creation (or evolutionary development, if you prefer) - namely, the human brain. And it’s amazing how much we have comprehended about the known Universe. (And paradoxically, it’s equally amazing how much we know about how little we know.) *Based on that, perhaps we can still discern a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of some kind of tentative answer as to the Universe’s meaning. *So what is it? Well, think about what makes life worth living. Love, beauty, truth, victory, wonder, glory, mercy, compassion and all the positive aspects of human experience. The Good. Perhaps, the Universe’s ultimate meaning is simply to experience these justifications of existence; indeed even help “create” them and somehow “contribute” them to sum total of the Universe. Think about Teilhard de Chardin’s “Omega Point.” *And what if these “projections of Good” somehow survive beyond the end of the Universe, the end of any cyclical universes, and the end of any theoretical Multiverse. In this view, the bringing into existence of the Good justifies Reality and indeed improves and elevates it. This argument is a philosophical extension of John Leslie’s theory about the need for Good “causing” the Universe to exist. Yes, I know all this sounds “far out”, even dumb-founding. But any answer about “ultimate meaning” would have be anyway, as you point out yourself in the video commentary. At any rate, thank you again for your provocative video. Quote: “Nothing ever truly dies. The Universe wastes nothing. Everything is simply transformed.” - Klaatu (played by Keanu Reeves), in the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still

It never ceases to amaze me that people fail to make the distinction between meaning and purpose. What I mean by this is that one can find life meaningful or reside in our fantastic universe meaningful, but that in no way relates to having a purpose to life or that the universe has a purpose for us. In order to have purpose, it must to be bestowed upon us by an entity, an advanced intelligence, a God or however you want to define it. This first mover would have had to intentionally had an objective when creating us or a space for us to evolve. My belief is that when we die, we simply cease to exist and though our legacy may live on in someone’s subjective conscious mind for a brief period of time, or we may become another animal, fungus, plant or alien’s meal, in the end our life will have had no purpose, even If I found my life meaningful while alive. Further, I think it’s only human nature that we seek something that is transcendent because all that we have ever known has been our act of living as an intelligent organism. We can only know life. Nonexistence is an abstract concept within a thinking intelligent mind and creates in us, a strong desire to seek out this transcendent dream. Why? Because we all fear death but even more poignant is wanting to resolve the most difficult reality of all, losing our loved ones in our temporal reality.

First Contact could be awe inspiring for both species.

What is demanded of man is not, as some existential philosophers teach, to endure the meaninglessness of life, but rather to bear his incapacity to grasp its unconditional meaningfulness in rational terms. Viktor Frankl

@ernestmoney7252

3 жыл бұрын

It's not obvious that the one is that much better than the other.

@timothyschoorel6861

3 жыл бұрын

@@ernestmoney7252 If that isn't obvious, you may want to explore meditation. 🙏

@ernestmoney7252

3 жыл бұрын

@@timothyschoorel6861 What has meditation got to do with it?

@timothyschoorel6861

3 жыл бұрын

@@ernestmoney7252 Rationality is thought-based, meditation is inner stillness and perceiving, knowing and understanding while by-passing frameworks of thought, any framework of thought. In other words, grasping meaningfulness, but not by using the rational mind. For the rational mind this sounds crazy, maybe, but that's just the limitation of rationality as Frankl points out. The mind is more than thought and thinking: first of all it is consciousness, secondly feelings and intuitions and lastly thought and rationality. But in modern societies we seem maybe too much invested in thinking and rationality. Don't get me wrong, I am all for rationality, but it's simply not the end-all-be-all of our human existence. Anyway, that's how I interpret what Frankl says.

@robertthomas4234

2 жыл бұрын

If we make our lives purposeful we feel good. The founding idea behind what became the big three religions was, and is to look beyond the self to help the other. Man finds that things, stuff leaves him empty. I walk in one pair of shoes, eat one meal, and sleep in one bed. It's nice to be comfortable but a softer bed allows no better sleep. Who rails against god is searching for what he wants. God the concept. Space reaching outward and inward without end..science can never know the unknowable, as any learned person knows. Atheism is fun to argue and many who claim to be atheist are actually against organised religion, often with good reason but when pushed will admit that the mystery, the unknown, allows room for the god concept. Just sayin is all! Peace.

We provide meaning to It

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

Earth is flat.

@SumNutOnU2b

3 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 much like your humour

The "cosmos" simply provides the physiological means and setting from which life, mind, and consciousness can effloresce (emerge) from the fabric of the setting. In which case, it is life, mind, and consciousness that determine meaning, not the cosmos. In other words, the cosmos would be utterly meaningless without life, mind, and consciousness.

The first question to ask and answer is - is the meaning of the word meaning is and has to be same at every level/context in which such a question can be asked ? Answer is clearly no. Let us take an example of water. Water to a watercolor painter has a meaning in terms of how it helps her dissolve the paints. Water to a direly thirsty animal means it is a lifesaver. Water stored in a dam means a potential energy source for generating electric energy or on-demand irrigation. Each of these meanings have a relevant meaning in each context it is applied in. We do not insist that the meaning mean exactly same meaning in each context. I think the confusion ensues, probably created for intentinal effect, and causes seemingly cold conclusions that are being forced to be arrived at, by asking about the meaning of the universe and then insisting that that meaning mean exactly same thing when lay person is asking about their personal life's meaning. Of course peoples lives are meaningful once they happen in terms of family, friends, society and lifes work. No need to connect it to meaning in any other context and then transferring the meaning (or meaninglessness) of that meaning back to the meaning of people's lives. No?

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

When clouds of hydrogen and oxygen collide, they always produce water, no matter where in universe.

RLK sure can wax poetic. Nice words.

I love this guy! Rock on, Robert!

Awesome episode

In a sequential universe, the big question will be whether "post-life" in the very, very distant future can find a way of surviving directly from the cosmic foam of space, in which case they would also keep existing through all subsequent big bangs, maybe accumulating along the way? Since, we don't know if big bangs are actually sequential, it's pretty speculative. It seems that scientists often regard science fiction as a better source of fresh ideas than mythologies.

I'm going to define "meaning" as the true nature of reality, understanding how all we experience came about in the first place. The faithful believe that a sentient entity set creation in motion and that entity transcends and exists outside our reality. There are things that are simply unknowable in our mortal form.

@robertthomas4234

2 жыл бұрын

The sentient entity came about as a means to make solid that which is without matter, consciousness.

'We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself' - Carl Sagan

Beautiful ☀️🌹

I respect you sir.

What is the meaning of "meaning"? If someone were to giver me a verbal answer, "the meaning of life is XYZ", would that really satisfy me? Also, the question is raised by humans. What about other species, say a dog? The description painted by science is largely a physicalist one. It provides a superficial sketch in terms of matter and energy. From its description, as far as I can tell, it is largely random, and indifferent. So other than providing an intellectually interesting answer about our physical substrate, it does not provide a direct answer. It may provide a larger context through which our future understandings about human meaning may have to be revised. I suspect the answer lies in the field of psychology. It is not as simple as making up the meaning to comfort oneself. It is closer to the process of listening to the "depths of one's soul" (speaking metaphorically). Perhaps Maslow and Jung can provide some clues. Current psychological research suggests those with rich relationships lead a more meaningful and fulfilled life. But what is "meaningful" may vary for different people. So the "non-rational" approach, as suggested by the video, would probably be the right place to look.

@deayrs

3 жыл бұрын

Ernest Szeto the meaning of life is to give life meaning.

@irfanmehmud63

3 жыл бұрын

@@deayrs If the cosmos is pointless, then giving any meanings to your individual life is like fooling yourself. I would rather try weeds.

@robertthomas4234

2 жыл бұрын

The dog manifests perfect dogness, the tree it's treeness. These perfections can be called godness! We humans are entreated to be our best selves. That's the human struggle.

“Each of us, a tastebud on the tongue of the universe”. Christopher Sanchirico

Thanks

August 4, 2022 One of the best-best-best episodes (I’ve seen thus far)… But, of course: smart host, plus smart participants in the conversation, plus the honest intent equals smart output (one “very close to the truth”)… The program was recorded in 2011; why did it take 11 years for this to come to my attention!? “Well, you’re not the center of The Universe”, some would say, wittily… Sure; but I entertain one very similar idea these days (that has gestated in my head in recent months, if not years). So, there you go (I say to myself); as if the cosmos has always known when the time is right for certain information to “pop into existence” and present itself to the proper sentience…

Natural life seems to argue for meaning by arguing for meaning.

Robert didn't start out with a definition of what he means by "meaning" - and so each attempt was pretty cloudy, not fully understanding what he is looking for. Does science ever provide meaning for anything? It explains the "how", but does it explain a "why"? What is make believe meaning? What is feel good meaning? What is "real" meaning? Does science ever have anything to do with whatever that is? I think these have to be filled in first before we go looking for....whatever that is.

Meaning is relative to the interpretative frameworks of bodies. There is no meaning outside or even inside. It is a relationship between subject and object.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Asking if existence has objective meaning is a meaningless question, pretty much.

Good to know that im not crazy asking these questions, cause im not the only one.

We know the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything... It’s 42

@starlord6088

3 жыл бұрын

Explain

@joshkeeling82

3 жыл бұрын

@Starlord: 42 = 4.2. 4.2 light years = closest star to our own. Stars create the necessary ingredients for life.

@johntavers6878

3 жыл бұрын

jesus would not agree

@SumNutOnU2b

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntavers6878 Jesus was crucified 32 years after being born on Earth. He rose again after 3 days. Then he stayed to comfort his disciples for 7 days. 32+3+7 = 42

@bazstrutt8247

3 жыл бұрын

Star Lord The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

Indeed, he is excellent!

Robert asks all the honest and deep questions we have all asked ourselves before the day. And he is indeed very relatable in our endeavor to understand our place in all of this.

Thank you Robert again and again for wisdom and nice stories. ....

Cosmos provides life.

Does the Cosmos provide a meaning? YES. EXISTENCE!.

Meaning? Life's what you make it.

@johntavers6878

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntavers6878 Not a "meaningful" response.

@domersgay28647

3 жыл бұрын

Without free will you can't create meaning

@Seanus32

3 жыл бұрын

@@domersgay28647 Are you saying I don't have it? I feel determinism but free will co-exists within holistic totality and absolute infinity. Most scientific types will never, ever grasp that.

@domersgay28647

3 жыл бұрын

@@Seanus32 nobody has free will otherwise women would have more control over sex as men

Why do you search for meaning? Could there be a deeper meaning in the desire for such search? Even on a trivial level, understanding creates a sense of joy, a sense of relaxation. Is the mind not always hunting for more happiness? A very deeply relaxed mind experiences happiness, possibly a state of absolute happiness as Yoga or Zen promises? Then there might be such "gravitation" to happiness installed in everyone of us? There are certainly different paths to more happiness, and a rational path might be included, but is this not the innermost "gravitational" force of the search for more happiness unfolding explanation? It is an upsidedown view maybe? It has to do with expansion of consciousness. And the idea of "I" might ultimately dissolve into nothing else but a construct with no meaning.

Having to invent an infinitum of universes to explain our one universe is suspect.

Roger Penrose

Meaning is always centered around personal identity.

We are the cosmos

As much as I want some grand meaning to exist for whatever all of this is what we call reality and/or the universe.. but, after many, many years of trying to find that answer, it was time to accept the brutal truth: the universe exists and that's all there is to it.

@melmill1164

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. I’m with you.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

Two things exist, thus universe and it's entire history or we wouldn't be able to see stars.

Robert, I really am fascinated with your explorations. However, sometimes I think the quest appears to be like that drunk who kept searching and searching for his keys under the light post. The concept of 'meaning' is pregnant with teleological and theological nuances. Modernist science however, reject both at the get go. For methodological naturalism/atheism the only 'meaning' there is boils down to explanation of how things work. There is no overarching purpose to the universe. It just is, full stop. And life, human life included, is a fluke. The only 'meaning' we humans get is equivalent to the 'meaning' a worker ant has as it gathers food for the colony. Science is ill equipped to handle deep questions of meaning. It's like using math to explain Plato's The Republic. By the way, I'd really like to see you do an extended interview with Stephen Meyer (his last 2 books were best sellers- THE SIGNATURE IN THE CELL and DARWIN'S DOUBT). His 3rd in the trilogy THE RETURN OF THE GOD HYPOTHESIS is about to be released. I'm sure you'll find him a worthy interlocutor, particularly when it comes to 'meaning' questions.

Humans have inherited different ways of arriving at the truth. The most rigorous is the use of logic or the scientific method but that alone is not sufficient for our survival. We were endowed with less accurate but nevertheless very useful tools such as intuition, common sense or whatever you want to call it. Those skills are necessary for the situations we face where we have incomplete information but are faced with the necessity of making a decision. If you are walking down the street and see a group of swaggering young men approaching you wearing black you may perceive them as a threat and decide to cross the street and avoid contact. You won't be right 100 percent of the time but you could be right some of the time and it's very useful to your survival. I don't think we can only rely on science to give us the answers to everything. We should not be afraid to apply intuition/common sense to the big questions that we can't answer with science alone.

We have meaning the same way a vase has meaning to the potter. Shalom

@tomjackson7755

3 жыл бұрын

Profit?

If we would understanding the reason for diversity we would understand the meaning of the cosmos.

If anything has a meaning it is because some mind has given it one. Was it God's mind? Perhaps it was my mind? Or yours? Does the cosmos itself have a mind? Maybe all these are the same? It doesn't matter which. Whatever that mind is, the question becomes whether that mind has a meaning. Which it only does if some mind has given it one. And this recursion continues until you get to a mind that has determined its own meaning. Therefore all meaning is ultimately self-determined.

It’s a great time to be alive!

Science works from observations. You can't observe meaning unless it is written in the sky - which is to say it has to be communicated. Science itself won't provide those answers. The Cosmos could provide the answers, because it might well be the source of meaning. As pointed out theology provides meaning as well. That is because it also could be the source of meaning and can indeed communicate it. The fact that we don't particularly like theology as a source of meaning doesn't make it any less valid than the any meaning we might derive from the cosmos.

consciousness is like the internet around us.. and we are like the mobile phones..the question is how much of a good phone are you?..energy can neither be creted nor be destroyed.. which means energy was never born and would never die.. its just there.. isnt this enough?

Here we go again. Is meaning a purpose, a function, an understanding? What do you mean by meaning? How may times are you going to pose some variation of this question without even defining the terms?

I should stare more frequently into the distance...its quite powerful

Does the world provide meaning? Or do we provide meaning to the world? I believe we do, one thing has different meanings for different subjects.., cannot be related to the world but to the subjects..,

Wouldn't it be great if the aliens came? Of course as soon as they saw how we mess about they would want to 'go home'!

Conscious beings create meaning and experience meaning.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

"Meaning" cannot be created, it is either "already there" or nonexistent.

@joshuaadamstithakayoutubel2490

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 Interpreting an experience or anything creates meaning. It is only because we interpret words that words have meaning.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaadamstithakayoutubel2490 Sorry, I thought you wrote "meaning" as a synonym of "purpose".

I am means that I am the I Am.

Since when detecting and measuring spatial and/or temporal neighborhood is qualified as "explanation"? Who put that rule? It doesn't make sense. If "observation and measurement" is one phase, "explanation" must be a further one and a distinct one. Hence, why would we separate "how" and "why" question? I don't see any elements and factors I observe qualifies as being explanatory principle. None of them can be the source of existence of properties seen on the surface.

Why do we doubt our instincts in some places and trust them in some cases? We have no doubt we are "rational", do we?. Everything we know has a cause ➡ the universe is what we know ➡ the universe has a cause.

Difficult to say what's the meaning but, we have a clear purpose according to Yoga. Our purpose is to find the ultimate reality within us.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

And then what?

Yes it provides but depends on the person and his meaningful mind. Even now there are millions of people who are not even conscious of their body and mind inside them. Since the cosmos is expanding, we ought to know what's outside to know the inside of cosmos. To understand this human beings by every generation ought to thrive and scientifically improve passed knowledge over billions of years. Just saying it's cyclical, random and once happening accident/event won't help.

Universe is all about meaning or it wouldn't be so complicated and balanced. Many things happens for a brief period and fall apart very soon, because phenomena doesn't have appropriate structure to couple with environment permanently. So potentials build up and tear anomalies apart. This is how structure became all that can exist, if universe want to be in stable shape, every little thing must have it's exact place and purpose. It would not be so if universe could be just a bunch of gas, no complexity could arise from unstable nonsense. And it's not random either, we say things are quantum because potentials are exchanged in discrete packets, this is why mathematics is possible. If something can exist, it will exist, but than it will want to continue it's existence. Somebody might argue, nothing is forever, there are many temporal phenomena not meant to last, like bubbles in a water, but this is not quite true, since gravity will always produce water and gas will always cause bubbles. For something to be meaningful, it doesn't need to be complex or permanent, this rule apply only to entire universe. Our reality is meaningful precisely because there's a chaos underneath. Not only life, gravity also resist entropy. Weird as it might sound, even energy wants to resist chaos, by fallowing physical laws. Or it must, because gravity bend space, forcing energy to spread over emerging time matrix and prevent everything happening at once. There's one more important argument, we can see the past of entire universe, everything that ever happened still echo around the void and it might remain there forever. It's important somehow history exist at same time as present. All that still doesn't make it clear why are we even talking about meaning, we understand everything is physics and logic doesn't need to explain itself to anything or anybody. But very fact we exist and can talk about it can't be ignored, reality is meaningful to us. This means it was never different, everything exist for a reason and wants to became something better, more meaningful than life itself.

Are we assuming that the meaning of the universe is the same as the meaning of life? Besides, cosmology is figuring the "how", not the "why".

@AlexanderShamov

3 жыл бұрын

I think that the only meaningful answer to the "why" is a good enough understanding of the "how". A complete theory explains "how", but when it's also very mature and well-understood, its foundations become simple, mathematically natural, and in a certain sense "inevitable", and at that point there's no room for the "why" question. Of course, real physical theory is too far from this ideal at the moment, so asking "why" is just premature. We don't know, and we probably don't even possess the right language to hypothesize.

Yes something is missing...and that could be a universe wide real-time WiFi network...only when all is connected, the meaning will emerge...bit like a jigsaw puzzle...

If a celestial collision vaporized our planet would the cosmos not carry on without the need for meaning? Meaning must surely be an appliqué by the human mind onto a physical universe.

I think God/some kind of power in basic is evolving true oss/true evolving universe.All information tauth ever in the universe/God evolving.We are one organismus,all living things/we just play different charakter/life.We are it,but we dont know.

If our bodies which ultimately dont belong to us because it will die against our wishes,then is it wise to accumulate wealth and materials?the wise men seek wisdom instead of materialism.🙂

Does the Cosmos Provide Meaning? The Cosmos provides meaning to life. The Cosmos and our life have the same meaning and explanation.

You have interviewed hundreds of super-intelligent people, BUT how intelligent can they be if they can't see that we are all living inside a super-advanced, hyper-realistic holodeck complex super-structure probably no bigger than the planet Jupiter.. For real!!!

@dustinellerbe4125

3 жыл бұрын

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

@PatrickRyan147

3 жыл бұрын

Classical physics shows us our reality as it APPEARS to be.. But Quantum Mechanics shows us our reality as it ACTUALLY is.. String theory and the holographic universe theory are now showing us our reality as it actually is.. We live inside a holodeck complex super-structure.. and NOT a vast expanding universe that APPEARS to be the case.. I understand that this news can be very hard to take for most people, but look on the bright side.. holodeck scenarios are potentially eternal.. whereas organic ones are not..

TO BE.....OR......NOT TO BE.......THAT...IS ...THE....QUESTION!............The universe decided to be.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

It's always better to be than not to be. It's not even a valid question, if you already are and you must question own existence, than you should ask, to continue to be or end this present state. But if you don't exist yet and must decide if you want to became or not, everybody would like to experience how is like to exist first. And once something do exist, it wants to remain in that state, same as it goes for universal law on motion. Bodies remain in their distinct motion forever if no other force act upon them.

@starlord6088

3 жыл бұрын

Xspot box I’m talking about the whole Universe. The Universe decided to pop into existence because why not. The answer to the question to be or not to be is obvious. The answer is always to be.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@starlord6088 This would make every suicide a murder.

@starlord6088

3 жыл бұрын

Xspot box Some people don’t want to be anymore. We don’t know what others have gone through. We cannot judge others if we don’t know them. People who commit suicide are obviously very depressed and sad for some reason. Nobody wants to live in a world that treats them badly. Some people decide to check out...some decide to deal with it.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@starlord6088 When things became unbearable, this is what it means, people can't bare their condition any longer. If they could hold on, they would. But many times people just want to destroy somebody and there's nobody else around.

There seem to be at least two different "Universes", philosophically speaking: the "physical" universe of atoms and electromagnetic waves; as well as the "metaphysical" universe of ideas and concepts that has no physical existence; and perhaps a "theistic" universe corresponding to Religion, a universe of ethics and souls. The metaphysical universe contains a seemingly endless supply of concepts and relationships among concepts, ideas of breathtaking elegance. But there can only be an appreciation of the metaphysical universe if there is a physical universe, a universe of things that are governed by ideas from the metaphysical universe, that can give rise to physical creatures capable of discovering ideas in the metaphysical universe. If there is a "theistic" universe, it may ultimately reveal that the physical universe was created with some ultimate goal. I personally doubt the existence of the "theistic" universe. I suspect that the physical and metaphysical universes have no purpose or meaning. But at least creatures have evolved a capacity to derive some joy and wonder [and also pain and grief] as they live their brief lives at the intersection of these different Universes.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

The physical universe is not governed by "ideas from the metaphysical universe".

There is an informational Maximum, seemingly Infinite Algorithms/programs that do exactly the Same informational Results. Informational reality is Not Infinite, Quantum states are Not infinitely many, but restricted in the case of this universe to Planck lengths. When does dreaming about infinities end? Who has measured Infinity?

There is only one meaning. LOVE. And if you haven't learned that. Then you haven't learned anything.

@scabw

3 жыл бұрын

Love is so important that all is nothing if not for love. For God Himself is love.

𝕞𝕖𝕒𝕟𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕔𝕠𝕞𝕖𝕤 🄵🅁🄾🄼 ωιтнιη 🅈🄾🅄🅁 🄷🄴🄰🄳,𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝖿𝗋𝗈𝗆 𝖼𝗈𝗌𝗆𝗈𝗌

Yes - I absolutely believe the cosmos provides me meaning in my life. As a Problacist (see Problacist.com) I believe the universe tasks me by a constant stream of ridiculously unlikely coincidences, events and outcomes.

Should of had Hilary Putman.

Meaning is basically eternal life. Because the universe dissolving into nothingness, including any life it has, is what makes it meaningless. If such an end can somehow be avoided, and life can continue indefinitely, then the universe has meaning. This meaning is eternal evolution and ever better advancement of consciousness and understanding. But I don't think this is the meaning of the universe outside of us. This is our meaning that we have biologically evolved to have in our minds, thinking, and feeling. It's a biological kind of meaning that any life will evolve to have. Because any life form, that doesn't strive to live without end, will end and drop out of the evolution of life.

@tomjackson7755

3 жыл бұрын

An eternal life is the one that becomes meaningless. Once you have done everything you can do with everyone you can do it with 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times and you realize the eternity hasn't even technically started yet everything becomes pretty meaningless for everyone. Death is what allows everyone's experiences to be unique and have a possible meaning. If humans don't kill each other off, we will evolve into something else and there will be no more humans anyway.

@matoberry

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomjackson7755 both good points. But on your 1st point you assume there is only finite number of things you can do in "eternal life". That would be true in our current physical universe (laws of nature, finite visible space) but I don't think that such limitations of possibilities are what philosophers or theologians expect in the eternal life.

@tomjackson7755

3 жыл бұрын

@@matoberry So you're saying it it alright for them to assume an infinite number of things in the assumed eternal life even after there are restrictions from what we can do here (no sinning)?

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

Would this supposed eternal life be without any problems?

@matoberry

3 жыл бұрын

tom jackson I am not trying to posit what the afterlife is like or what is alright to assume about it. But you had a mathematical point: if one assumes finite number of things to do in an eternal afterlife, rather quickly you run out of things to do without repeating them. I think it’s a cool idea and will think about it harder. A couple of quick alternative assumptions: a) there will be infinite possibilities, b) motivations in the afterlife are not the same as people have now, eg it’s impossible to get bored.

Simple answer - NO it DOESN'T. We, the humans simply expect too much of meaning, patterns, significance from everything around us

Does the Cosmos Provide Meaning? To me, not yet. If mankind survives long enough and evolves enough, then maybe a meaning of the cosmos could be discovered.

The Eternal Life, is Eternal, No one created the Eternal Life, therefore it cant have No meaning. Cosmos is 'the Body' of the Eternal Life, all bodies gets born, there is a meaning with all and any births.

A universe with no meaning is far better than a universe with a fixed meaning because the lack of meaning means you are free to choose whatever purpose you desire. Would you rather have parents who say *We had you so you'd become a [ **_whatever_** ]* or parents who let _you_ decide?

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

Then "no meaning" becomes YOUR meaning.

@paulbrocklehurst7253

3 жыл бұрын

@@glynemartin Whether or not the cosmos has a meaning is _irrelevant_ because if there *is* one my opinion that it doesn't changes _nothing_ & if there *isn't* anybody else's opinion that there *is* one changes _nothing_ either.

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulbrocklehurst7253 You earlier demonstrated that meaning exists only for conscious agents. No consciousness = no meaning. Meaning will be EXTRACTED from the cosmos by conscious agents...the cosmos in and of itself is devoid of both meaning and meaningless-ness.

@paulbrocklehurst7253

3 жыл бұрын

@@glynemartin *You earlier demonstrated that meaning exists only for conscious agents.* > I said they create _their own_ & that's because there is none for them to find within the universe _itself._ *No consciousness = no meaning.* > No meaningS *Meaning will be EXTRACTED from the cosmos by conscious* > No. Brains will come up with their _own_ meanings by thinking some up.

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulbrocklehurst7253 Brain matter is not Conscious, neither does brain matter know anything. I'll stick with conscious agents and consciousness as it pertains to *_what has life._* A perfectly preserved cadaver may have a perfectly preserved brain, be assured that there is no consciousness despite brain matter is present.

It provides context, not meaning.

All Common theories, even sir Roger Penrose's , do not regard that our becoming aware of how the universe works informationally May Play a Central role concerning its Origin. The 2019 "Ring traps theory" offers a compact seemless model, that leaves Not many Puzzle pieces Open. For decades we hear the old dead end thinking, the distinguished persons lacking ideas.

Does anyone understand what Roger Penrose was saying, and would care to dumb it down in a more understandable way?

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

All i care about Penrose cyclic Big bang is, he has found an alternative to a well established general hypothesis. If Big bang is not the only game in town, we should search for more possibilities and stop brain washing kids with scientific myth of creation.

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 Where did elementary particles come from?

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@glynemartin What particles, no such thing, only interactions between layers of quantum force fields.

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 What is the source/cause/catalyst of these quantum fields?

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@glynemartin As far as i can understand scientific model, nothing is down there, like random quantum fluctuations and virtual particles sustaining structures and illusion of motion in chaos somehow.

There is no such thing as profound, fundamental meaning. If a god existed it would understand that even its own existence is fundamentally pointless.

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

Lol!

@scabw

3 жыл бұрын

God is the fundament. He is love.

No. Only humans provide meaning

When we talk about the search for meaning I often think of how the God hypothesis is dismissed by some because they call it absurd at the same time that they are prompt to accept the absurdity of existence in itself, saying that it doesn't need to make sense. As I see, in that case, if its God that give sense to existence, then it would be circular to require that God make's sense in the same meaning that we want existence to make sense. Also, if we recognize something as absurd or, in other words, deprived of meaning, doesn't that mean that the experience of meaning is prior to that of the absurd? And if this is right, where does our sense of meaning come from?

searching God is a type of worship in islam .

No chance. The universe is in essence inmaterial, spiritual. This is a creation of intelligence from other dimensions.

@godofleverege1829

3 жыл бұрын

Assertions 😂😂😂

@Pipo1987

3 жыл бұрын

@@godofleverege1829it's my feeling of life. The way I perceive life. take it as an other opinion ;)

Why is there anything at all...?

@johntavers6878

3 жыл бұрын

obama?

@tomjackson7755

3 жыл бұрын

To give christians something to make up lies about?

So easy: NO!!!!

ask me anything..this is a limited offer..

@godofleverege1829

3 жыл бұрын

Whats the size of my D?

@PhotonShower

3 жыл бұрын

@@godofleverege1829 its too insignificant bro..

@PatrickRyan147

3 жыл бұрын

Do we live in a real universe OR do we live in a holodeck, like in Star Trek?

@godofleverege1829

3 жыл бұрын

KeesaMon next time be specific 😂

@PhotonShower

3 жыл бұрын

@@PatrickRyan147 define real.. the so called reality is just electrical feedback from your five senses to the brain.. everything can be manipulated.. drink a few shots of alcohol and the perception changes..thats how shaky our senses are.. so what i would say is it dosent matter.. we just have to have a good time.. because like buddha said.. hell or heaven it dosent matter to me..because i will be chill every where

NO THING in perpetuity is infinite boredom thus it's all about entertainment. No wonder this species has amused itself to death. No choice.

The brain makes movies known as dream, this sponge creates weird reality that did not happen, the whole avatar movie concept came out of the directors dreams he saw blue tall creatures, we are probally something like that

The frequency of commercials in this channel is just utter garbage. It is unwatchable.

@rh001YT

3 жыл бұрын

get adblock for your browser...no comercials.

@nicodubn

3 жыл бұрын

YT subscription is just a handful of dollars per month

For narrow is the gate, and straight the way that leads to life, and few they be that find it. Matthew 5:19

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

Where did Matthew learned that, didn't know there's a gynecology section in a Bible.

@jamessmith989

3 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 🙂 emphasis should be on the word few.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamessmith989 Agree, and not all should come from same village because people would talk.

@jamessmith989

3 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 sounds like a lunar cycle.

@jamessmith989

3 жыл бұрын

@Stephen B too shallow... God is ahead of the curve.

Borrowing from Karl Popper, a philosopher of science, the universe does not have a meaning, but we can give it a meaning. We can give the cosmos a meaning by working to eliminate the phenomena that are meaningless. War, death, stagnation, and dehumanization are meaningless. Peace, immortality, continuous progress, and innovation in moral and political philosophies have meaning.

Nope

Meaning is only conveyed thru language. Language is woefully inadequate at conveying reality. Therein lies the problem.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100%. Even personal meaning has to be conveyed through language within our consciousness. Is that correct?

@glynemartin

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Correct.

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 See!

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@@patmoran5339 Yes I do see and I hope I see better. Jesus said "blessed are your eyes because you see." Thanks for sharing

@patmoran5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 The two of you "see" an imaginary god. That is what faith does. It disables the mind. You are blaming "language" for your inability to see Jesus and that seems to be because of something you or your ancestors did or said and that made you "damaged goods." Perhaps you should blame reason?

Meaning in origin? Is there origin without Creation? The big bang is equivalent to the sperm and egg in terms of Creation? I think not. Initial conditions is not Creation. A carpenter who creates a chair or an engineer who creates a robot is not the same as a man and woman who "create" a baby. A chair or robot is not a baby. Matter is not life. The creation of the universe that contains life is not the creation of the universe that contains gravity and dark energy. Science cannot be untwisted from observation. Observation can corroborate much. But if observation or corroboration were all that was needed to determine anything, then we could be fooled into thinking a robot was alive. Or fooled into thinking a baby was a robot. Both are unacceptable. Why? You started off by claiming to "know" things. The knowledge you possess or claim to know is incomplete. This makes it ...weak. If you knew, really knew beyond what science has measured, then Creation, true Creation, would be at your thought. Is it? As long as creation is a mystery, the creation of life, science will continue to be the Turing Test of Meaning. A consistency that's ultimately sterile. The correctness of numbers or words is not the Truth of a baby. Reality is meaningless if they are.

Weird video - talking about meaning without ever defining what is meant by the term. So of course it ends up being just confusing, and everyone thinking differently.

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The Cosmos doesn‘t provide meaning but Jesus of Nazareth provides all the meaning that we need in life. Cosmology can learn us the how but Not the why.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

I really hope Jesus was just kidding.

@Closer To Truth : Neil deGrasse Tyson The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you. @Closer To Truth : Can we ourselvs making meaning to ourselvs help the universe of making meaning to itself?

Great. But stop collaborating with China please

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