Well, at least it sounds better

@ericgriffin5504

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha

@msalamlaham7129

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@kingkaizer3176

6 ай бұрын

😂

I've got one on my car. Doesn't really do anything except give a nice sound and look cool under the hood haha

@JimyOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

Do you get a engine light from it ?

@zolttech3907

4 жыл бұрын

Jimy Official if u have the censor connected it shouldn’t

@SashaM0915

4 жыл бұрын

Basically street cred

@skytechenterprise9906

3 жыл бұрын

I had installed an eBay short ram on my 96’ Chevy C1500 5.7 it sounded not so great when accelerating, I think it may have caused a minor misfire or too lean of air flow constricting the engine more than the stock air intake... Felt less smooth under acceleration too.. Couple months later decided to compare the diameter of the short ram vs stock tubing.. Didn’t realize the stock tubing is roughly about 3/4 to an inch larger in diameter than the short ram “performance intake.” Reinstalled the stock air intake today and with the stock thick paper filter already felt and sounded better, went to auto parts store and purchased a K&N E-1796 performance filter.. The real test will be this weekend when I accelerate to high way speeds to work..

@akgonen60

3 ай бұрын

you know what will help if you did some exhuast work i took my muffler chamber out put a aftermarket resignator on it and she sounds amazin but i dont think it does noothing it compliments the exhaust sound and helps a little bit when you hit the thorrtle

I just installed a short ram air intake in my car about a week ago. It didn’t do anything for power but my Honda Accord V6 is now getting 22-23 mpg on my daily commute. Before it was only 17-18 mpg. It may not have given me much power, but I’m more than happy with the upgrade in mpg. Best $300 I’ve spent. Also, can’t complain about the new growl either.

@MrQdog73

4 күн бұрын

Yeah I heard that with the ram air your getting more warm air into the engine which helps reduce unburnt gas so increases fuel efficiency...nice bonus

@harmanaulakh7529

Күн бұрын

​@@MrQdog73warmer air means less oxygen content and less fuel to maintain AFR. Science is there, it'll reduce hp but when after fuel economy I'd take the hp hit

But my eBay short ram says +15hp on the box , I swear to god.

@EngineeringExplained

9 жыл бұрын

SevereDub Ebay never lies!

@RAM243VALDEZ

6 жыл бұрын

SevereDub and you kiss ur mother with that mouth

@lifeof767

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe after moding the vehicle get it dyno tune to pull more power ??

@afhostie

5 жыл бұрын

Needs more stickers

@Will_left

4 жыл бұрын

David Bartz bro 😂

This was an incredibly diligent test and very well thought out. Thanks a ton for putting in the effort. But damn... the best increase was 6 hundredths of a second between 4k and 6k, and it apparently warms up after several hard accelerations and negates that small increase, thus contraindicating it for a track car. And people shell out hundreds for these things. Thanks for validating my incredulity :p can't wait to see your CAI test!

@EngineeringExplained

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think looking at a % difference in acceleration is more meaningful though. It's a difference of around 6 hundredths for a very short duration of time. 2-3% improvement in acceleration is meaningful (after all, removing 84 lbs from my car yielded an improvement of 4.3%), but only if you're able to keep it in that rev range.

@SnoboardAssassin

9 жыл бұрын

Engineering Explained do you think there would be more benefit if a tune was done after there installation of the SRAI? And if so do you think it would be a significant increase or still down in the hundredths of seconds?

Thanks for the video. Ignore the negative people; criticism is good, but they have nothing to back it with. Making a video like this takes time and we appreciate that. Keep it up dude.

I eagerly anticipated this test. Cheers for all the hard work you put into these videos. Great Stuff! And love the integra mods and tests, your tests take a different, but more down to earth and realistic approach to other things I've seen. Keep it up!

THANK YOU! For this informative, attention-to-detail oriented, well-spoken and clearly explained video. Appreciate your time and effort.

Actually a good test, the results make sense to me. Good work man!

congrats on the silver play button! keep it up! love the vids!

I too noticed a significant difference on the sound the engine makes. Great video, thanks for all your work, I know you wasn't easy at all.

Yet another awesome test video man! Can't wait for the CAI! And let us not forget the real reason you slap one of these on, is for that awesome induction sound!

Whenever i have a question about something car related, i always find the answers in your videos :) Thanks, keep up the good work!

I understand this video was posed 5 years ago, but something you may have missed in your original analysis is how fuel consumption is affected. Some say that the heat along with the shorter path for the air allows for a more complete fuel burn resulting in better fuel economy. If this is true then this is an excellent daily driver upgrade.

"especially your mid range when you want a little more power and youre merging onnto a freeway" what if youre a "spirited driver" like me and you rev that ish through the roof every where you go?

Thank you to people like you who do all the thought work for us! all we have to do is then put on the right parts according to the research results!

Nice video. I love how you do these tests; they are so thorough. The results were quite interesting. I was about to buy a short ram air intake for my BB6 but I'm not even going to both now. You just saved me some money! Cool shirt as well.

@EngineeringExplained

9 жыл бұрын

Gewehr7 Thanks!

Awesome channel, I been watching your videos since the "Horsepower vs Torque" video!

Great vids!! This is exactly why I came here. Was looking to find out if adding either a ram intake or cold air intake would b a good idea for my daily & u answered that question perfectly. Thx!!!

it would be interesting to see if a heat shield would provide any added benefit. I'd love to see you try that one out. Great videos though, very thorough!

Great video I'd love to see a cai install soon and tests as well. :)

I use my car in daily driving going to work, but always in high revs because Im always late.

Great video! Ya know, I wonder if an air duct for the SRI would increase performance at all (sucking in fresh air instead of hot air). Thanks for putting in the work for this video!

Very thorough, appeals to the ocd gearhead in me. Nice job.

E-E is like the 3nd best car youtube channel out there!

Usually it's best to disconnect the ECU, let it forget it's previous performance data and then do a good few hundred miles so the ECU adjusts the mixture.

@jamess3417

5 жыл бұрын

What did you think the MAP sensor does

I'm curious as to whether or not the results would be different if he had an exhaust, header, or both installed before and after the intake was installed. I've read that as far as bolt ons go, you don't really gain any significant power unless you have a combination of a few.

The one I bought has a huge sculpted heat shield and a tube connection. It gets the air directly from the outside, so both help, I also like the sound

The lower times on the high RPM range, kind of make sense. If you think about it, the car is traveling a lot faster, on the high RPM ranges than on the lower ranges, therefore there's more air going into the intake. Thanks @Engineering Explained, your knowledge on cars is amazing, I've learned a lot from you. You're a great teacher.

Excellent video, I couldn't wait to see this one. I was surprised by the performance of the short ram intake. Will there be a cold air intake video?

Waiting for the cold air intake. I'm quite suere that there would be a better improove in all rpm range. Can I make a suggestion? When I installed a cold air intake on my car, I usead a pipe insulation (used usually in PVC pipes) to cover the stainless steel pipe in order to keep the intake aire as cold as possible. You can faind that on your local hardwere store. Keep making that videos!

Thanks for the detailed info, you just saved me some time and money. :)

My short ram intake is wrapped in fiberglass header wrap, and sealed with silicone. Plus, I get the added benefit of it being next to the grill, so I get the cooler outside air while I'm driving.

SRAI is a great system so long as you set the car up for it. I would recommend isolating the heat from the filter with a box. For the cheap end get some sheet metal (needs at least 2 sides and a bottom), corner brackets to attach the pieces together, and some kind of insulation (Dynamat works great). Also routing the airflow helps. Some aftermarket hoods are designed to operate with these systems in mind and greatly help with the performance. The numbers may not go that much higher but consistency will become better.

Thanks for your detailed explanation! About the heat soak issue, do you think a thicker engine oil and putting little more coolant can fix the problem, rather than upgrading the whole kit? Thanks

What would you suggest for modding a daily driver and getting that low to mid range improvement?

Nice video. But SRAI works TOGETHER with heat extraction from the hood and a more straightforward contact with the air outside; also the ECU needs time or a reset to adapt to the increased air flow.

First off I'd like to thank you for all of your sound data testing and break down. It was quite refreshing and very easy to follow. I've watched both vids for Short Ram and Cold Air Intakes. I'm actually really interested in boosting up my intake on my daily. My driving moods very vastly however. Cruising and saving gas I cap at 2k. Spirited or traffic speeds 3k. Slight Hooning 4.5k. All out about 6k. My main question to you is "Do you think that this data is a good predictor of engine performance against Stock, SRI, and CAI in the engine's comparable power band ranges? Or do you think there will be a big difference for cars without VTEC or continuous variable valve adjustments? Also what would you think would be best for a person that DDs often but still wants more power? Personally thinking about a CAI due to temperature issues but I have a battery in the way which Hyundai looped under into the fender then back up over the radiator for forced RAM induction. I think atleast. Just trying to weigh out options.

nice video as always

Will this help with low rpm hypermiling techniques to increase fuel efficiency? I'm going for maximum mpg.

I've been wanting to do some tests with temp, humidity, and air pressure sensors and plot some data, I could also put my chassis in a simulated flow tunnel to determine the best place to put the trumpet, You would obviously want to avoid any low/negative pressure areas.

An AEM CAI (k&n filter) took my 00 civic si from 15.7 to 15.5 in the 1/4mi. I eventually chopped the CAI in half and turned it into a short ram and it still made the same times. (A cheap short throw knocked off 3 more tenths and brought it down to 15.2. Thats half a second off factory times for just a couple hundred bucks.)

Did the car feel different though? Was throttle response quicker? Did it feel like it had more torque and hp with the short ram. I've always felt that on all other short rams I've installed.

So, then what would happen if a heat shield or air duct leading out the engine bay would be installed? What if you cut the hood right about the short ram intake? Do you any of these things would increase the numbers or prevent the higher RPM lost on multiple runs?

I think the speed one's driving is also a reason why it is more effective on high rpm runs in the same gear. Some high speed pulls like 60-120 or something would also be interesting

The thing that i like most about this channel is that you do these tests and show the numbers and the math. Not just show some numbers and say it's better.

@xXUnoriginalNameXx33Meygaera

8 жыл бұрын

+jay dee Effectively, he's using the scientific method. This time-tested and proven method has worked for determining many things, from Gregor Mendel's genetic plant hybridization all the way to determining optimal DPS ( damage per second) in World of Warcraft.

Paying for the sound! :]

Doesn't the car computer need to refreshed by dissecting the battery after install? I was told after my cold air install to gun the engine right after install so the car PC sees the increased air flow.

@elmenol2719

7 жыл бұрын

Tony Furiato do you do that too if you install a cold air intake?

@MixaL1s6804

6 жыл бұрын

i didnt know my car had a pc

@geraldvickers3942

6 жыл бұрын

MixaL1s6804 😄😒

question. did you allow time for the engine to cool fully before doing the ram intake afterwards so there was no possible chance of heat soak?

I got told before that if you put an induction kit on a car it will only really make a difference if you also upgrade the exhaust and get the car remapped to make the most of the increased air coming in and exhaust gasses going out. cheers :)

I'm curious would this test have the same effects on a 1989 toyota 4runner 2.4L 22re? would I be losing power in city driving and what not?

I just want to ask, did you wait till the Honda Ecu to reach closed loop "warm up at operating coolant and vacuum pressure"? my argument with your testing did you reset the ecu and allow fuel maps to relearn the new air intake levels just as a IACV? just swapping it out and testing wont provide accurate results, it's the same reason why when we reset the ecu to delete check engine codes you would have to drive a fixed amount of miles for the ecu to correct for out of range sensors. Correct me if i am wrong. Its a awesome experiment that you have done and very detailed.

A short throw dipstick will get you some gains.

@poolboywillis1225

5 жыл бұрын

Solaire The SunBro praise the sun!!

@HillBilly-1

4 жыл бұрын

There's a short dipstick down the street from me and everybody gets mad when I throw him, no gain there

I bought a used car with a short ram intake already installed. I use the car as my daily driver, should I revert back to the OEM intake and does having the short ram decrease fuel economy dramatically? And are there and bad effects to keeping aftermarket intake?

I'm pretty sure if you put a Type R sticker on the SRI tube you will observe the HP increase claims. Even more so if the sticker placement is closer to the throttle body.

You're like the Brian cox of cars, keep up the good work man ;-)

@EngineeringExplained

9 жыл бұрын

Tom Street Powerful words, thanks!

How does the ECM tuning affect your test results? Does the computer have/take time to readjust to the new air flow numbers?

My Alfa (156 2.0TS) has something called VLIM Variable Length Intake Manifold. So I get either a long pipe or a short one depending on conditions.

Damn, if only I had seen this a year ago, but I may have still went with a SRI anyway; it really beefs up the sound of my Accord's V6 almost to V8-levels and puts a smile on my face. VTEC, yo! =)

If you were to build out the full intake + exhaust system and get a tune, do you think at that point the short ram would be better for all RPMs?

Hi what you think about pod filters for stock airbox,maby that is a best solution?

Excellent video

You should do a test on mighty car mods video on the cooler spray for an intercooler, it'll be interesting to see the results! Engineering Explained

How would the ram / cold air intakes compare on a turbo car rather than on a naturally aspirated car?

Great video. You probably won't get bac to me, but here's my question: I have a 2015 toyota corolla S sedan, 1.8 ltr. 4 cyl. and I was thinking about installing (all at one time) a short ram, a borla cat back muffler and a chip tuner. That said, will the short ram work well in all bands if I do replace the back end with the borla straight-thru exhaust? If so, is this worth the $1k investment, or a waste of my time? Thank you sir! I'll seek out your reply.

What are the effects of a "cold air" box or something like a gruppe m carbon duct on a short ram filter?

Please test this: 1-Make a custom heat shield because the short ram air filter is sucking hot air from the engine and leave the low part of the original air box so the filter still receives a little cold air 2- Put a hood scoop

Testing headers next would be interesting.

does it help putting an air scoop above the ram intake? as in recieving more cold air.

My real question is this, have you seen those K/N filters? I was thinking installing that in stock air box, that way I still have the stock design of the box and piping, while having more air coming in due to having a K/N instead of paper filter. Thanks for the vid btw.

Alright! Good control, and explainable stats. however, seeing as you tested this, and CAI in your integra, I believe a reasonable sequel to these tests is a HOT air intake.

Your analisis is good but you need to consider extra data, such as air-fuel ratio, intake temperature, engine oil temperature through the runs, etc... Also when you're on a track, keep in mind that the air flow coming to the engine bay is higher than when driving on roads at normal speeds. What I meant before, is that with an all stock engine you may even end up running lean on gas and that would be both risky and counterproductive for your engine. Now if you build it you will definitively more air. Did you do any run from 4500 to 8k? I'm looking at some dyno sheets and it seems that the sweet spot of those engines comes up after a little drop on the curve at 4k rpm, then it goes all the way to the peak power at 7500rpm or so... Keep the videos coming dude, thanks for taking the time on making them!

I'm a Honda owner, and it doesn't make me mad because the results are exactly what I expected. the difference between stock and the short ram is barely measurable. if you really want to improve the performance, whether a drag car, or a track car, or just a driver then don't waste your money on a cai, or short ram, at least not by itself. my dad and I have been building cars for a long time now. it was v8 muscle cars....mopars mostly. but the idea is the same whether v8 or import. I got my first Honda recently, a 97 prelude base. what you need to do is get a cold air intake with an air filter that has a front entry, then use that to make a true ram air. short rams are NOT ram-air. what I did was go to home depot and bought the stuff to make a sealed ram air system and it works waaaay better than either short ram, or cai. get a length of dryer hose, the aluminum flex pipe, and a roll of aluminum tape, and a screen mesh for stucco. run the pipe up to the air filter, and run the other end to where ever you plan on getting the air from. in my case, I cut out the black plastic "plug" below the turn signals, on the sh model prelude it would be where the fog lights go. anyway take the heater duct (I forgot to mention that part) and cut it down to fit the opening, fit it to the flex pipe with the tape, and make sure and cover the entire pipe with at least one layer of tape to strengthen the pipe, when you get done it will be very strong. then use the mesh to cover the intake hole to keep debris out. I did it without taking off the bumper. it's not easy, but it can be done, but if you have the tools and time taking the bumper off would make it easier though. then use the tape to seal it to the air filter. I've had it done for over a year and have never has any codes, and never had any water come even close to the filter. it has two bends in the pipe that keeps the water from reaching the filter. and if you do a quality job I promise you won't be disappointed. my lude is stock except for the magnaflow muffler on the stock pipe, and the cai/ram air. the only thing I've raced is a f150 with a 5.4 liter v8. I beat him by about a car length. I know it's a big truck, but my auto lude is a stock 4 cylinder with 150,000 miles on it too. anyway, if you want to see it I have a few pics of it on my profile. I don't think I have a pic of the air filter, but there's one of the intake in the bumper. don't let your friends tell you that ram air is "a waste of time", because it isn't. both drags, and track race teams have been using it for decades

I see some people who put pod filters on mid-engine cars. What does that do for the car, does it help at all?

Everything I need is SOUND 😁

You should try doing a test like this but substituting one of the headlights by the intake as some people do to see if that really improves anything. If it actually is worth sacrificing a headlight for the intake tube

Very educational. Thanks alot

did you put a heat shield around the AKAI? It seems that most videos I see that the installers don't bother putting a heat shield around the CAI or SRAI. I believe a good heat shield would allow cooler air to go into the SRAI or the CAI therefore you would get better results than stock air intake. Plus a stock air intake has restrictions that don't allow as much air in as a SRAI or a CAI.

don't you think it would be more effective if you tuned the car to balance the fuel to air ratio after install?

As a physicist, I really really applaud your testing efforts and methodology and documentation. I'm curious what method you used to time these runs in that I suspect you have not treated the data appropriately with respect to significant figures. If you were to use scientifically valid significant figures, I suspect your results would show almost no difference in performance at these speeds. Keep up the good work though!!! I love it!

@EngineeringExplained

9 жыл бұрын

Ma Zu For timing I count the frame using a camera shooting 120 frames/second. I measure the number of frames from one speed or RPM to the desired RPM. Sig figs come from 1/120 = to the nearest .0083 of a second. That's as accurate as the equipment I have can get, and it's accurate enough to show a difference in performance.

You need to install a CT Engineering Icebox! Some HP gains, better throttle response and that sound! Gives that little 1.8L 4 banger a deep aggressive sound

This is a more in-depth discussion about a stock air intake than I ever knew was possible -_-.

@EngineeringExplained

9 жыл бұрын

MrSlowestD16 I could babble all day.

@MrSlowestD16

9 жыл бұрын

Engineering Explained Well it does shed light on the age old argument, so settled a good dispute, especially in the Honda world, haha.

I have a short ram but somehow it never fails to beat ble 645 and hangs with m3. maybe it depends on the car it self plus I have better exhaust flow from headers to muffler so I guess it could be what's helping the air get out quicker

I think its still worth the added sound :)

Engineering Explained Just my two sense, but isn't the whole idea of a RAM air intake to take advantage of the fact that the air will be pushed into the RAM intake with greater pressure due to driving at higher speeds? Wouldn't a better test be showing the effects of the RAM air intake being testing at higher speeds instead of higher RPM?

Next upgrade will be trying to get cold air into the intake? A heat shield maybe? Should be a very cheap upgrade.

Out curiosity wouldn’t the variables change from car to car? Perhaps engine size too?

Surely this works better with a modified hood or something like a subaru hood with air going in or out of the engine bay. Sir, you do to cars what I do to computers. Keep up the good work.

I think it depends on the type of car for short rams

The result is exactly what i felt !

what about high performance air filters?? do they worth or they have same bad results????

In a naturally aspirated car it is significantly more important to get cold air to the engine, With a CAI im sure the difference will be better Anyway, what most people dont get is that any mechanical or support moddifications done to a car must be backed up with the engine ECU mapping and programming (like optimizing fuel delievery and ignition timing) for the engine to produce significant improvements

I have a car with poor throttle response, will this help?

I wonder if this would be a good experiment for an ANOVA or similar statistical test (hypotheses testing)?

when I installed my intake I re-learned my engine idle and optimized the air fuel ratio to most effectively use the intake. (perks of being a Nissan tech) lol

@JimyOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

Any engine light ?

@Yung_omelet

4 жыл бұрын

Jimy Official he said that 3 years ago😂

You having first hand experience with them all which one performs best out of the 3

For a LS non vtec Integra you're making the most useful torque at lower rpms and a longer intake tube like a cai or the stock intake is better for that low to mid range, for a GSR or Type - R you can use a short ram with no problem because all the power is up top and the intake is letting it breath especially if you have an aftermarket intake manifold along with that the transmissions in these cars are going to keep them in the vtec powerband so you dont notice the loss of low end. The Acura Legend also had active intake runners run on vacuum that could optimize intake length for both low end and high end power with no vtec, now cars have variable compression.

My only question is are you buying both a cai and an Rai just to test em out? For example, if you were to compare turbos. Let's say a 2000$ set up vs 500$ set up. Of course the more expensive of these wins. Did you straight throw away 500$? Or did you borrow one from a friend or what? Thanks for what you do. I appreciate it

You mention Drag, Track & daily driving BUT what about commuter driving? Meaning longer freeway time than city driving??

It sounds better with the short ram tho