Sheesh first story wife missed the satanic panic, she would have fit right in

@Nazo-kage

Жыл бұрын

I think her husband should be very concerned. Because her philosophy of: Only evil people would be OK. Playing as evil people, should also hold true for anybody who kills themselves in game. Her whole killing her self, because the party won’t kill the the other player should be something of concern if her beliefs or that strong. (of course, I’m meaning all of this in a joking manner, wanting to throw her stupid ideology back in her face)

@therealmaizing5328

Жыл бұрын

@@Nazo-kage On top of all that, the GM plays "evil" characters all the time. Does that make all GMs "evil" in her mind?

@Nazo-kage

Жыл бұрын

@@therealmaizing5328 that’s very true.

@michaelwoodward3329

Жыл бұрын

I grew up with a parent that fell for that nonsense. Lol. Couldn't listen to Marilyn Manson but Ozzy/Black Sabbath, Metallica, Megadeth were just fine...... 🤣🤣🤣

@KertaDrake

Жыл бұрын

@@Nazo-kage Not to mention the extreme passive-aggressive behavior when they tried to move on from her bout of insanity.

I'm in a group with a married couple and their daughter. She, IRL, is the most awesome Lawful Good kid you could ever hope to meet. She's really nice, hates bullies, nearly straight As, scary smart. She played a rogue in one of our campaigns and was the most massive klepto the world has ever seen. People can absolutely separate their real personality from the persona they're playing as.

@FriendofFantasy

Жыл бұрын

Ah, you fell for the nice routine. She seems lawful good, but she's probably already a major crime lord, having taken out two of her biggest competitors. I respect it.

@akmon3490

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me on a conversation from a story Boy: "Why do you not trust him ? He's perfect." Girl: "That's the problem he's to perfect I can't find even a flaw, he must be a sick motherf***er" Turns out that the guy was part of an evil cult and wanted to use her for experimentation

@starbird3939

Жыл бұрын

How young is the daughter? It sounds like she is using the rogue live out being able to misbehave.

@informitas0117

Жыл бұрын

@@starbird3939 as she should, that's the entire point of games.

@Mark73

Жыл бұрын

@@starbird3939 I forget how old she was at the time. We all started gaming together when she was 8 and she's 15 now. This was a few years ago (and she's been too busy with school to be in games lately).

The first story, It really comes off to me that DMs wife had an issues with OP and did not want DM around them. I would guess DMs wife was afraid of an affair and was not good at communicating so doing this and blowing up the game was the only way she felt she could get rid of OP. Still crazy and the mental gymnastics they had to do could have put them in circus olay

@namkha209

Жыл бұрын

She's not just the circus but the whole entertainment industry.

@oscardepaz3063

Жыл бұрын

@@namkha209 Nah, she is the entire concept of comedy.

@akmon3490

Жыл бұрын

All fun and giggles until she raises the kids like that and you don't want those kind of clowns

@nyxx5357

Жыл бұрын

*Cirque du Soleil.

@informitas0117

Жыл бұрын

My bet she is a fundie Christian of some flavor, but somehow not thinking dnd is a devil worshipping game. Outlandish reasoning either way, what a shitty person.

Dm's wife is 100% scared of an affair and has 0 communication skills. I feel so bad for DM, it's exhausting to be in a relationship with someone who can't talk about their feelings with the person they love, I would know, my first partner was like that and my fiance now is dealing with my fear of communicating now.

No, DM's wife is just paranoid cause they might be doing the naked sword dance on the ship.

In the first story, this woman had her paladin wanting to kill a person on the pure accusation of being evil, especially because divine sense only detects evil outsiders and undead. That sounds pretty evil to me.

@xFlareLeon

Жыл бұрын

Before 5e, Detect Evil detected... y'know. EVIL.

@TheBones1188

Жыл бұрын

@@xFlareLeon And how do you define an evil person? Good and evil are highly subjective to perspective. It doesn't make sense for a spell to be able to read and indentify someones soul like that for a level 1 spell.

@charlesmwolf

Жыл бұрын

@@xFlareLeon before 5e, our human egos were not so fragile to need a system to tell us whats a nuanced character and not? besides "evil" and "good" are heavily subjective to the eye of the beholder, outside of how "selfish" the act is most times. a "good" act is often done selflessly, for the sake of others, an "evil" act is done selfishly, for ones personal gain. all other context between good and evil is subject to perspective.

@joshuawiener5003

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBones1188 pre 5e alignment was pretty hard-baked. If your alignment was evil, then detect evil could sense you. Dated, sure, but that was how it rolled.

@Trikotomy

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheBones1188 Since Detect Evil is a cleric/paladin exclusive spell derived from a deity, the fun answer to me would be to make it pick up on what THAT DEITY'S concept of evil or sin is - which could have interesting results, especially if that deity's morality is a mixed bag shall we say.

First story's DM needed to say, "Honey, I love you, but you're wrong on this one. Here's how this goes, let's work through this. "

@vigo0santiago

Жыл бұрын

That was a manipulative, petty narcissistic person, reasonable words are useless

@Inkubun

Жыл бұрын

@Vigo Santiago Maybe so, but i'm just advocating for some assertiveness to have at least attempted some mitigation.

@vigo0santiago

Жыл бұрын

@@Inkubun I do applaud your attempt at diplomacy though.

@JasonMcAlpin

Жыл бұрын

She may also have needed a reason to stop him sleeping on the couch. Who knows. Hard to guage why she picked this to fight over. Although she may have her own DnD horror story about a evil player playing a evil character and cemented it in her mind. But yeah a session 0 would have solved this right at the beginning.

@samuelsalvatore4511

Жыл бұрын

you crazy? the last thing a man can do is complain about a relationship with a woman, she will either leave him or talk shit about him on his back, and she clearly has something wrong in her head. im sorry but there's too much at risk there, specially considering that maybe the man just thought that it wasn't worth it to risk his marriage over a dude that wasn't even that close to him to begin with

Story 1 Fiction allows us to explore intense aspects of reality. Fiction is fiction, reality is reality. The ones who can't tell the difference are the problem

@ImYourCherryBomb

Жыл бұрын

This this this

@HobbiesGamesChillin

5 ай бұрын

To a point but this channel is filled with weirdos that are evil in game and out

The dms wife seems like a crazy control freak so it's best form him to get a devcorice:opening story

I was cackling like an evil jester myself at that itching powder prank.

the pranking and metagaming of the paladin vs jester reminds me of early critical role when Vax shaves half of Grog's beard. "Vax..." "You don't know! You don't know that I did it!" "Naw, fine, fuck it. I ~assume~."

@DnDDoge

Жыл бұрын

Just watched that one yesterday, lol

"Only bad people play evil characters." Only bad adults burn bridges over 2 letters on a character sheet. I mean if they became one of _those_ evil characters, sure. But she's mad about the allignment itself, not even anything monk did.

LOL at the first. Movie actors are evil then. It's the classic "People can't differentiate games from real life". And you can use empty cans as rockets to fly around your house.

@oscardepaz3063

Жыл бұрын

I was about to say that. So, Heath Ledger is evil for playing Joker, and Anthony Hopkins is evil for playing Hannibal Lecter, right? According to this woman's logic, it makes sense.

@themaniax8265

Жыл бұрын

@@oscardepaz3063 Guess in that woman's eyes, that'd make Robert Englund basically Satan incarnate for playing Freddy Krueger then lol God, I feel bad for the DM.

@notproductiveproductions3504

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, she can use Anthony Starr as a modern example

After the Paladin “fell upon her own sword” I had a well placed ad for “the next level of Nerds!” 😂

"you need to be evil yourself to play an evil character" Me who play a genocidal maniac: *looks to the side, looks forward*

I actually had the reverse of the first story happen in a dnd game. I was a lawful good paladin in a party with a chaotic neutral(evil) sorceress, a lawful evil psiwarrior, a lawful neutral monk, and a chaotic neutral soul blade in a 3.5 campaign. The sorceress gave me flack for playing a good character even though my paladin was a "the greater good" type who had no problem working with evil if it stopped a greater evil.

@notproductiveproductions3504

Ай бұрын

Should’ve said “it’s for escapism”

Yeah, that was a very poor wife. She's delusional and narcissistic and probably be better off divorced and blaming everyone but herself for her bad attitude

3:35 made me laugh so hard. I feel like you rarely break narration and laugh.

0:20 This is like if an actor were cast as the role of Freeza in a Dragon Ball movie and another actor who played a heroic character like Krillin or Piccolo told them that they sincerely couldn’t trust a person that could play an evil tyrant like Freeza on the grounds that in order to exude Freeza's malice, they would have to inherently be as malignant as Freeza.

First story wife: willing to bet money I don't have that she's an Evangelist.

I remember another horror story similar to the binocular one. A player wanted to talk to prison guards, the DM said they tried to seduce them, flashed them, got smacked in the face and called a whore…with zero input from the player, they didn’t get to decide any of the characters actions then got punished for it

The last story sounds good A hero of justice being an asshole while the villain stands up to him to save the day

It feels like the wife in the first story was just looking for an excuse to get rid of OP. Why, I have no idea. Just that she went so far as to have her character unalive herself in front of everyone then basically banning OP from her life. Mind you, people using the evil alignment to do actually evil stuff does happen, is the basis for some of the more nasty horror stories, and can be a red flag. Just seems weird in this case unless she binges the subreddit

@samuelsalvatore4511

Жыл бұрын

the thing is, it's too weird. if she really wanted him out so bad she could just kick him and that's it, using his evil DnD character as an excuse is just as dumb as having no excuse at all, the only way all of this could've been justified is if op did something really bad to her.

@Sanodi21

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelsalvatore4511 Thinking about it, maybe it's an incredibly high level of paranoia over cheating? Again, it's an incredibly weird situation with an incredibly weird answer.

@samuelsalvatore4511

Жыл бұрын

@@Sanodi21 i don't think it's an incredibly weird answer, if we only take OP's side of the story (which is already sort of unreliable) then the only logical assumption is that there's something wrong with her mentally speaking, if she was really just manipulative or paranoid, there was no need for a DnD session to make her kick him out, or perhaps op just isn't telling us the whole story..

That first story reminds me of the month I spent bouncing around New Vegas/Fallout rp servers. One of the servers had a rule to not play Legion or Enclave characters 'cause that'd mean you'd support their terrible behavior irl. Another you couldn't even play as NCR for the same reason. Heck, the same server even made all the "evil" factions leave the Mojave, except Yes Man, I think. Tried to do a vote where you could play as said "evil" factions, but the owner had none of it and basically said it's her way or the highway. That server ended up committing lava swim a month afterwards due to no one wanting to play.

@NeoVault_

Жыл бұрын

Those people completely miss the point of Fallout, especially NV. Player choice and freedom is the point to join and do whatever. I wouldn't put it past them for banning NCR and Enclave over IRL politics. Their group dissolving did everyone a favor.

@rommdan2716

Жыл бұрын

@@NeoVault_ I thought the point was "Everybody sucks"

Ah yes, the classic "You're the same as your character" way of thinking If they met me then they would think i suffer from a multiple personality disorder

@nvfury13

Жыл бұрын

And from the person whose character wanted to murder someone as their first act in-game.

And the Wife's Paladin goes straight to damnation for committing suicide...

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

And is a hypocrite she complaining op must be like their character while playing a religius exstremist By her own logic she suports killing people for not being if her religion so is no better than isis

@goncalocarneiro3043

Жыл бұрын

And so does she because, as she suicided in game, that also implies she will suicide in real life. According to her logic anyways.

The evil movie character thing reminds me of how the actress who played Nurse Ratchet in "One Flew Over the Coocoo's Nest" never got another acting role because she did too good at playing the evil character.

That last story's character despite declaring himself evil was nothing such.

It seems like out of all the cats, Simba would be the one who judges the most and see if they are worthy of status buffs.

So does the wife from the first story hate her DM husband? Red dragons, bandits, maurading goblins, werewolves, many giants, and beholders all tend to be evil, after all, and the her dm husband is playing as all of them!

The first story is just crazy. I myself have played an evil character before, who also went through a redemption arc and became lawful good. I am certainly NOT an “evil” person. Heck, my character’s evilness was solely based on her terrible perception of herself as she was born and raised to be a monster by the cult that imprisoned her and killed her father. She had the mindset of “I do evil things so no one else has to” due to her lack of faith that goodness always wins and had a serious thirst for vengeance against the cult for quite understandable reasons. The most extreme evil thing she’d do was threaten anyone who got in her way or straight up kill anyone she believed was aligned to the cult. Ironically, when my character was given reason to believe our bard was aligned to the cult and threatened him, he managed to calm her down and plant the seeds for her redemption arc. They ended up becoming as close as siblings and she cried when he sacrificed himself to destroy the BBEG. My character also developed feelings for our lawful good Dragonborn paladin who had also helped my character through her redemption arc and left a big impact on her. In the aftermath of the adventure, she adopted a goblin child we saved in the beginning of the campaign and joined the temple of Hestia her father was once the head cleric of. Outside the game, I doubt anyone could ever even consider me evil. I’ve often done charity work, help anyone in need of help, create stories and artwork that inspire people to be better people and accept others, am always there for my friends, teach children, help my mom with her work, have a strong moral code and sense of justice, etc. I am by far from evil by all accounts. I do not mean at all wish to claim myself as a saint. I do have my faults like a nasty temper and other issues that can make me a challenge to get along with at times, though that mostly comes from some mental conditions I have that can have some negative side effects. I never use my conditions as an excuse, however. Just try to explain some things about myself and will try to take responsibility as much as I can when my conditions become a problem. Most people who meet me tend to adore me and feel safe talking to me, I’d try to help them through their problems and give them innocent yet wise advice that tend to help quite a bit. I tend to be the emotional heart of my friend groups, hence why people so often come to me when they’re having problems. I do have my limits, however, and will let my friends know when something is beyond my boundaries and comfort zone. Though I do often still find myself giving them some advice based on what I know so far because I want to at least try to help them feel a little better. From what I’ve shared, I hope that you can see that I am far from an evil person. But I would honestly love to give my evil character a second chance now that I have a better understanding of the game and her character. I’ve even redone her character sheet to make her a tiefling Divine Soul sorcerer than the half-drow/half-aasimar warlock/cleric she was before. Yeah, I leaned in pretty heavy with edge of this character. It was only my second campaign and I wanted to try out a redemption arc on an evil edge lord to see if I could make it actually fun and interesting. I succeeded, but would definitely still change things now that I’ve got a better understanding of things.

First story, DM's wife has issues. That would have gone a completely different direction in my house.

It's like if Batman and the Joker switched roles, in that last story.

I actually thought the same thing about the wife in the first story if she thinks actors who play villains are evil took the words out of my mouth Doge

Just remember, there is such thing as "good" aligned murder hobos. Usually lawful stupid paladins

A good way to balance encounters for small parties is give the party sidekicks or ncps that the player run

@mentalrebllion1270

Жыл бұрын

That’s what my dm did when our midweek game lost too many people to run at the level we were at. We got sidekicks to fill in the gaps and are recruiting in the mean time. The issue for those who left is the fact that it was midweek each week and so work changes made it so they had to drop. I still talk to most of them outside of the game and for weekend game one shots I sometimes play. So I still get to see them. Sad they left though. They were great for a first time campaign! Always grateful for having had the chance to learn with such great and welcoming people. Anyway, yeah dm kept the game going with sidekicks and the occasional npc joining. I was glad for it because I didn’t feel ready to put this character aside just yet.

The first story makes me think of a particular type of person in the world that can't seem to tell the difference between evil in fiction and evil in the real world

Yesss, wonderful Simba clip

People who can't separate fantasy from reality are sadly very common. I wouldn't be surprised if the wife was completely serious in her belief.

Although one could say this about any DND horror story, if it was handled right a large encounter like that could be a great introduction- in different circumstances of course. As an example, at a one shot that a friend of mine ran, low-leveled mind you- the very first encounter was two dragons that were in midst of a battle, so they had to use the environment to their advantage and flee with the rest of the crowd. It was a strange one-shot, but essentially they were just local individuals/NPC's trying to survive til the heroes showed up.

Had a buddy who could not separate the character of ‘The Diceman’ from the actor Andrew Clay.

First story is the first example of lawful stupid in real life I have seen posted on reddit.

Insecuriy and fear of an affair sounds more likely, yet I can't help to feel a "THIS IS A CHRISTIAN HOME!" vibe to it. Like the wife felt betrayed and filthy she had let op sleep over several times without knowing they were "actually evil" and defiling their home.

“I can’t work with this EVIL” - ends self You can’t tell me that wasn’t meant to be a bit cause that was the funniest sh*t

I doubt any sort of session zero in that first story would have prevented anything. DM wife really seems like the type to not be able to mentally separate fantasy from reality.

That guys wife sounds like someone who wouldn't even play dnd because its an evil game lol

I feel so bad for the DM... he's sticking it in crazy. Never stick it in crazy.

I don't want to start a war in the comments or anything, but I think that you, Doge, deserve just as many if not more subs than CC and DoD. I think your channel is way better ( and not just because of the cute cats).

The last story the DM threw the jester player under the bus with giving up that information and allowing that 'paladin' to rage attack. "Dont worry honey! im keeping your bother happy and main character !!...bull...

As a writer, there's an annoying amount of people who feel the same about horror authors. "How could you come up with these horrible things if you aren't horrible? You must want to do them!" I seriously do not understand where the logic comes from. Just because I write about monsters does not mean I'm going to suddenly drink your blood one day, but there's still people who say they feel "uneasy" interacting with me because of it. Now bear in mind in my experience this is entirely people being weird about it on Twitter and TikTok. I've never had anyone act that way towards me in real life, and certainly not during a game. Other than that, this sounds like a jealous dependapotamus who's paranoid of a single woman being near her meal ticket.

Not every day we hear our boy crack up in his vids 😁

2:01 A MONK IS... *_A M O N G U S?! 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨_*

I had a very similar story to the first one. I had a LG paladin get on my ass aboot my Chaotic Rogue Thief (ma first character) because he (get this!) stole things 🙄

@Homiloko2

Жыл бұрын

Well, that does make sense. This is one of those cases where both players should work together to have the characters clash in an enjoyable way that doesn't affect the pace of the game, and they could have a reason to tolerate each other despite disagreeing on some things. Oh, and make sure you never steal from the party, only NPCs. Stealing from the party is an asshole move.

@Arthas30000

Жыл бұрын

@@Homiloko2 Wasn't stealing from the party 😆 only NPCs, as you say. It was a very similar arc too: it was supposed to be an exploration of poverty and it's effects, a la Les Mis; but the paladin ab initio was hostile

@Homiloko2

Жыл бұрын

@@Arthas30000 Yeah, it's sad when players can't differentiate between other players and their characters. The players should all be working together all the time, even if there are some small clashes between characters. It can even make for interesting character development.

2:53 Clearly she doesn't know the concept of an actor huh?

I have actually met people online who thought like the wife and wish I had the actors playing evil characters in tv and movies retort. For the last story the dm is just as guilty as the dickhead paladin, and you dont die at 0 you just are unconscious.

Mermaid Man: Evil!

Ok wait, so going by the wife's logic. Every actor ...ok NVM you just covered that point lol.

Fun fact: actor Andrew Robinson received multiple death threats for his portrayal of the villain Scorpio in Dirty Harry by people who couldn't separate him from the character. He ended up having to switch to an unlisted phone number.

The first Paladin's player is the kind of person you don't allow to make many life decisions due to the obvious and horrid logical flaws. I probably would be concerned for this person for simply watching TV or reading a book.

The binoculars one was just a single step away from being a perfectly valid and effective encounter, if we remove mocking the player for it. That Nat 20 should have resulted in them seeing the figure on the hill and getting an intense feeling of unease or dread, as well as a chill figuratively and literally running down their spine, then the DM asking if the player wishes to look closer. If they say yes, the encounter plays out the same. If they say no, then they get away with just some minor cold damage. You've made the encounter happen only based on the player's choice, and foreshadowed Death regardless of which action they choose.

Last story; Yeah, Paladin shouldn't have gotten away with any of that and still be a paladin if the DM was doing their job. In AD&D, Paladins MUST maintain a Lawful Good alignment. Period. If they ever knowingly and willingly commit an evil act they instantly lose all their Paladin abilities and status and become a fighter of the same level. I'd consider routinely bullying NPCs without good cause and sexually harassing their party members to be suitably evil acts.

*Sweats nervously due to a flashback detailing the time I played a night lord in a dark heresy game...or a commissar in Only war*

Up front, the D.M.s wife was severely delusional, and out of touch with reality.

Oh, no. Wife in story one thought they were having an affair or would in the future. That's it. That's the story, and the attack on the OP's character was designed to imply exactly that: "I know what kind of evil person [home-wrecking skank] you are!"

@SavagePassion666

Жыл бұрын

See it wasn't even that. In the thread the OP explains the woman wanted her to join their polycule and had often commented on how she thought she was cute. So she's just genuinely crazy.

@reimannsum9077

Жыл бұрын

@@SavagePassion666 Well... alright then. She's insane.

So...the DM's wife won't allow someone playing an "evil" character in their home, but her husband was the DM? Doesn't he play evil characters? I mean, I'm a DM. I play most of the evil characters, except for when we finally figured out over half our party was evil. LOL

Blessed doge laughter 3:36

I find it extremely difficult to believe that the wife was being 100% honest about her reasoning, but if she is, then she's far more evil than op is lmao

Oh Simba, look at those peepers! LOL. Thanks for the cringe Doge!

I played a Lawful Good Paladin and one of the other players was playing an Evil Character but I didn't try to attack him until he killed an enemy right in front of me that I spared when they gave up and surrendered.

Assuming that she was genuine in her belief how did she miss the fact that her husband is playing every evil thing in the game by her logic she’s married to basically Satan at that point

If playing evil character makes you an evil person, what about character commiting harakiri after party refused to go her way?

Should I include a compendium on how to handle stupidity like this in my WIP game? Seems like a lot of socially awkward people who never encountered bullshit like this and have no experience in how to handle them. Should include titles like "how to handle entitled people: a guide to side step demands and dropping problematic behavior" and something for the adults "ERP and You: a Starter on the etiquette of erotica in tabletop"

@shanerasmussen5225

Жыл бұрын

The second title would be the shortest book ever made. ERP has no place in tabletop, it belongs in the bedroom. I will instantly boot any player that tries it at my tables.

@AmaryInkawult

Жыл бұрын

@@shanerasmussen5225 it can if everyone consents to it, if the entire group doesn't consent to your weird fantasies, take the No as a No and leave it at that. Fade to Black. Be a problem sex pest and get your skull cracked by the horny stick.

@AmaryInkawult

Жыл бұрын

Technically all would be pretty short since the TL;DR is essentially "grow a spine, talk it out"

@shanerasmussen5225

Жыл бұрын

@@AmaryInkawult Never at my table. No matter what, I will never consent to being in a game involving ERP any attempt to do it will result in being immediately kicked from my table permanently, and most likely being blocked from all further communication with me. I don't give a damn what people do in the privacy of their own home, or who with, but you ain't doing it at my table. If I'm not the DM and someone does that stuff I pack up and leave immediately, no discussion, and anything that came with me leaves with me. DM borrowing my books? The books leave with me. Somebody using my extra dice? Dice leave with me. The one time in my entire life I allowed a player to do some light ERP the piece of shit turned out to be a registered sex offender using the game to get close to players with kids, NEVER AGAIN.

@AmaryInkawult

Жыл бұрын

@@shanerasmussen5225 why do you think I had the title targeted for adults? There is a time and place for Erotica, when someone says No to it, it means it isn't the time and place for it.

i had a simular experience as story one and while i fully belive that Wife felt threatend by OP, in my case it was more of the player being from a very religius family and could not really grasp the concept of "change" untill i ended up throwing it in her face witch lead to a fall out, it went like this "Alright, lets look at Evil examples, Loki from the Marvel movies?" "No he is not evil he is just miss understood" "ahu.. what about Jack sparrow from Pirates of the carribian?" "No he is not evil he is the hero" "no.. they are bouth bad people, but beacuse you allowed yourself to watch their storys you learn about how and why they became what they are so you can relate, plus you think they are hot so that makes you even more keen to let them get away with murder" did not have to add that last bit but i was quite feed up with the argument at that point and it struck a nerve beacuse she ended up throwing a full glass of soda on me and then try to scratch my eyes out, not even kidding she went full psyco, still have a scar below my left eye from one of her nails, i tell people it was from a wild beast and it's teknicly not lying

@draconicfeline6177

Жыл бұрын

She sounds like a villain!

The DM:s wife is the kind of person who thinks actors and Characters are the SAME PEOPLE. These people actually exist!

You laugh like a Fox, unironically nice laugh!

I have heard this argument used seriously before - that the ability to invent or portray a fictional character classified as evil is itself an evil action, and the ability to appreciate a work including an evil character in it proves the evil of the observer - but typically it's a religious belief, and typically with an exemption for works believed to have been authored by a deity. This isn't a belief I would expect to suddenly turn up in a marriage with no warning signs, especially if the wife was fine with her husband creating evil NPCs to smite. Does seem like some sublimated aggression there. Whether "detect and butcher" can be considered morally acceptable behaviour tends to depend on the exact game being played. Personally I favor the detection system used in an early version of Exalted, where it was clearly stated that the definition of "can be detected and harmed by 'holy' magic" is managed by a Celestial bureaucratic process that's very imperfect, not really based on morality to begin with and isn't designed in a way that makes it easy to recognize special cases. Of course, there's nothing guaranteeing the equivalent to the paladin there is even supposed to be a decent person, but it's harder to say doing whatever the system lets you is by definition good. I think I'd be inclined in that third story to start loudly making my character randomly take damage and lose items on the grounds that, say, I realized the barmaid serving ale was really Death in disguise serving "death ale". Nothing to hurt any other characters, and I'm not exactly proud of it, but I'd definitely feel like being a bit disruptive after that point, and if the DM gets to say what I'm doing I'd probably start saying how the world's doing. Don't think the paladin in that last story would in fact have realized on his own. The armor is a symbol of how special he is; he wouldn't naturally think a character in the setting could affect it. (Honestly, I don't understand why clerics and paladins can ever get away with this stuff, since generally either there's a religious and/or martial order they're associated with paying attention to their actions - or in areas where they're the lone follower, you can make a pretty good case their own deity is loosely tracking them. But I can understand a reluctance to slap down somebody you're going to be forced in the future to socialize with.)

lol I'd love to see a deep, mature, epistemologically aware discussion of the topic go a completely different way

so a "good" paladin does evil things how did he not fall and lose his powers? if anything should of started shifting his alignment each act maybe they would of gotten a hint or ended up tuning evil themself

Story 1 I am of the opinion Paladin really thought OP and DM were having a thing and tried to oust her from the group. When that failed, she decided to oust DM from the group.

First story: “We need to murder this person” -DM’s wife “If you do it in game you must want to do it in real life” -Also DM’s wife What was it about Paladins in earlier editions attracting the murderhobo hypocrite players?

Yo, it's sad that there is quite a bit of people like this still. I got accused of being evil and once a cannibal because I played a lizardfolk! Like wtf you can't help but laugh and feel sorry for these people who think like that.

Story 1- Sorry but OP or DM should of called the DM out that she didn't "sense" the OP evilness when he was sleeping on the DM couch!

To be fair, according to the RAW, paladins will not knowingly adventure with anyone evil. They probably will not try to kill said character unless he sees them doing something like murder, and even then, they'll try to capture and turn them in if it;s happening in a town. As for the DM's wife, she needs to learn to separate fantasy from reality.

I am perfectly okay with being evil

It's funny because you can make an argument why the anti evil zealousness breaks the alignment of a paladin because without an act to prove a character is evil, simply attacking / arresting an evil character with no crime is in of itself an unlawful act hence breaking the lawful part of the lawful good alignment, but people not understanding alignment and people playing paladins like zealots isn't new.

It's called "acting" honey. Next they'll say Anthony Hopkins is actually a cannibal serial killer for playing Hannibal Lecter.

Haha she WHAT? Okeedokee!

I’ve been in situations like this, where Character=Player, an any choice or argument made by a character were direct implications of you, as a player’s character… I’ve literally had players in AL years ago actively undermine me when I was playing Good character, that never wronged anyone, because I played a Lawful Evil character they couldn’t F over cus he was, ah, a bit too Min/Max

that first story, as soon as its apparent the OP is a woman, my thought was the wife figured the husband was cheating with her and thats the true reason behind the bullshit. even if she denied it, odds are that is the actual reason, and the whole evil person is just a smoke screen to not make her look like a jealous biznatch. she simply bided her time and this opportunity presented itself, probably better to be seen as dumb than to be branded a jealous harpy. probably also the reason for being "friends", to keep an eye on her and look for evidence of infidelity.

First story, how about the gm playing any evil npc? Him being willing and able to put himself in there place would surely be a sign of his own evil, no?

Wow, I feel sorry for the DM of the first story but also think if he can’t check his wife, he kind of deserves it. Fellas, don’t let your lady dictate your life like that, that is just it cool (unless your into being walked all over in which case carry in I guess). Hope that is the only red flag for his sake.

This makes her husband the most evilest, flaming hot pokerist, violatingist, felonious, felan in the world then. Imagine having a husband who plays evil characters and ignoring it only showing a problem when a player does it. Reeeeeeeeaaaaaaally makes you think.

Who else thinks the DM’s wife in the first story is the one having an affair and is just projecting. I know the DM said that wasn’t the case, but wouldn’t be surprising if the wife was lying about the whole “evil” thing

Wife sounds controlling and I don't think friend is in a healthy relationship.

In all honesty, that marriage doesn't sound like it's going to last long, either the wife is incredibly jealous of OP or has zero trust in her husband to stay loyal, either way she doesn't have trust and doesn't know how to properly communicate, both of which are the most important thing in a healthy function relationship, or she just likes having control over her husband and this is her way of trying to do that, or she actually is a full on lawful good crazy who can't separate fiction from reality and probably also can't grasp someone doing something that she wouldn't do, so absolutely zero empathy, also a horrible thing to have in a relationship

Why is it always the Paladin? lmao

I heard from commentors in other videoes that the Wife in the first story was appearently mad OP did not accept her romantic advances and join her irl harem/polycule.

DM’s wife just needs to fall of the ship irl

Dude that dropped the game because his wife no evil bad is such a simp lmao. She's also probably going to sleep around when he's on deployment.

Look, just because I play as a genocidal, emotionally manipulative drow doesnt mean I'm about to commit war crimes