Greetings Adventurers, This video has been Copyrighted by Warner Brothers because of the last couple seconds. I am posting it anyway, because nothing I can say could defend Tolkien's message better than the LOTR itself. I don't own the rights, simple as that. I don't put ads in the middle of my videos because I don't like interrupting the flow, so I don't make more money on longer videos like this anyway. The problem, is that KZread, will put ads on my content, whether I am monetized or not, whether I want them or not, because simply by using their platform, they have the right to make money off of content that they didn't create, even though I don't have the right to make money on content that I didn't create. There is nothing I can do about this. This video took all week to research and write and 30+ hours straight of filming and editing. If you like my work and are so inclined to support me further, please consider joining my Patreon. It's still a (WIP), but I hope to one day be able to put out the type of immersive Fantasy that we wish to see, rather depending on these large companies. www.patreon.com/LivingAnachronism

@marcogenovesi8570

2 жыл бұрын

doing my part

@h.b.hatecraft953

2 жыл бұрын

They could have done the war in the north. All the fans would love to finally see it and they own the rights to it but ..... evil can not create. It only corrupts.

@sekzor7150

2 жыл бұрын

I want to like this comment sooo bad, but I refuse to be that guy who changes it to 70

@firefoxriouyh6541

2 жыл бұрын

Hey guys type in 'Lord of Cringe: Amazon hires fake fans to push an narrative' on KZread and watch the video. This is the real Trojan Horse and the insides look like. While it's not the original video is because they unlisted the original video. It shows alot what Amazon is planning to do. They legit picked influencers over real fans. There's a link in comments sections, so you might be able watch the original unlisted video in the comments section.

@griffin.greene

2 жыл бұрын

Mad respect for removing the Amazon links from your videos. This video has earned you a Patreon supporter. You have my -bow- wallet.

Oh yes, Bezos is a big fan of Tolkien's work. He recalls being enamoured by the vast wealth of Smaug the Dragon when reading the Hobbit as a child.

@ZarMationStudios18

2 жыл бұрын

Dragon Sickness. I've seen it before.

@FumblsTheSniper

2 жыл бұрын

Wow do you have to insult Smaug like that? They only eat a few maiden sacrifices here and there since that rash decision to slaughter a mountain of dwarves. Bezos is more like Gríma but bald.

@gandalftehdank6052

2 жыл бұрын

@@FumblsTheSniper Eh, not really. Grima is a petty deceiver trying to seduce and hijack the Good King Theoden, but Bezos doesn't really have anyone above him. The description: “His rage passes description - the sort of rage that is only seen when rich folk that have more than they can enjoy suddenly lose something that they have long had but have never before used or wanted.” from the Hobbit fits Amazon's CEO like a glove.

@FumblsTheSniper

2 жыл бұрын

@@gandalftehdank6052 I got stuck on the bald joke and imagining a Grima wig on Bezos haha

@gandalftehdank6052

2 жыл бұрын

@@FumblsTheSniper I swear that was unintentional hahahaaa

*_“We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves.”_* - Peter Jackson

I don’t want a “characters” to represent me. I want the message that TOLKIEN wants to bring to us. I want characters that make me move and feel and being connected with what the author wants to say.

@MinqApoc

Жыл бұрын

That stupid "characters representing me" thing is so infuriating. I watch/play/read fantasy stuff specifically BECAUSE those characters are nothing like me. Their world is not like mine. I want to escape my reality but not by thinking "oh i wish that were me!" but by seeing others succeed in their otherworldly struggle that i could not survive for one fuckin day.

@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien famously hated bringing politics or allegories into his fiction so he probably didn't have anything to say other than 'hope you enjoy this'.

@shaunhall960

Жыл бұрын

❤

@Raggmopp-xl7yf

11 ай бұрын

Or just take you on an epic adventure without you having to leave your nice toastie home and get your feet wet!

"What Amazon seems to have done ... is literally the equivalent of receiving the ring, and then immediately putting it on because they think they have the power to control it" Damn lol

As a lifelong Star Trek fan, I can tell you, "Don't believe them. Don't trust them." They will destroy and pervert your beloved stories on purpose just to spite you. Don't let them in.

@kannuksenkennedy2176

2 жыл бұрын

Too late.

@davidschaftenaar6530

Жыл бұрын

I just finished watching eight seasons of the remastered version of Star Trek The Next Generation and loved it. But I do want to point out the following: Star Trek's episodic structure plus it's pre-existing tendency to push cultural norms and break societal taboos made the franchise uniquely susceptible to being corrupted by this movement. LOTR has no such vulnerabilities and will - I hope - fair much better.

@Sacrilege83

Жыл бұрын

@@davidschaftenaar6530 Star Trek was pushing the societal pendulum to a much more balanced center. STD and Picards looks to pull that pendulum to the far left now.

@CHESTNUT246

Жыл бұрын

former star wars fan and i can attest to that

@wolf87410

Жыл бұрын

"LET them die!" XD

It's not "troll spam Russian accounts", it's an enormous Tolkien fanbase in Russian-speaking countries.

@michaelkeegan9260

Жыл бұрын

It's not only that. Because KZread started filtering out comments "evil can not create, it can only" people started posting the comment in Russian to bypass the filter. Note people are posting it in Spanish and host of other languages now. They know what it is. They are lying when they say Russian bots (ps, accusations of Russian bots are always a lie)

You really hit the nail on the head with this. I just saw this morning that the actress who is playing "pretend" Galadriel is now telling people who don't like the show that they're "-ists" and "-ics" and to stop following her account. She's also literally telling them to "Shut the f**k up." I am sickened by what is happening with this. I first set foot in Middle Earth 45 years ago when I stepped out of Bag End with Bilbo and went on an adventure. It was an extremely difficult period in my life and the characters that live in Middle Earth have become my lifelong friends. Over the years I have read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings numerous times. I've read them to my son. We've watched the movies and the "making of" content. One thing that Tolkien, his characters, and the cast and crew of the Peter Jackson films all have in common is they are respectful and have class - something that is sorely lacking in those who are destroying works that were at one time good, wholesome and respectful of all. And the fact that they are releasing this trash on the anniversary of Tolkien's death galls me no end. My only hope is that enough people will see what's really going on and not buy into it. Oh, and yes, I do think you would make a wonderful elf!

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. For many, LOTR has played such an important part in their lives. It should come as no surprise that we are defensive of it. As you say, the lack of class, the lack of respect already made apparent by the actions and words involved with this show is completely different to Peter Jackson when his trilogy released. He and his team tried to win over fans of the books who were skeptical of him. Amazon is trying to brow beat us.

Since the LOTR movies and books never grabbed me like other pieces of media, I cannot say I'm a Tolkien fan... but his work is recognizably influential and undeserving of this horrendous and shameless tarnishing. Amazon's part in this shall not be forgiven. In the name of the Souls fandom, you have my sword.

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

ARISE TARNISHED! Ash seeketh embers!

@Zoie3x8

Жыл бұрын

as someone who enjoys both Tolkien, as well as D&D and other fantasy genres which derive from tolkien's works and influences, i second this. You have my grimoires, as needed or desired.

@GoatPilot10

10 ай бұрын

And my axe! (You're a great elf)

I've been a fan of star wars since I was a kid, it's painful having a franchise you love ripped apart and shilled out in the name of corporate greed. Good luck to the Tolkien fans, you'll probably need it.

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

Stand with Tolkien, his work is the last bastion. If they can shill LOTR, they can do it to anything.

@TrangDB9

2 жыл бұрын

There are 6 star wars movies. There's one LOTR trilogy (by Peter Jackson). There's one Hobbit trilogy again PJ. What doesn't fit is not it.

@Namewriter

2 жыл бұрын

I was once a Star Wars fan. I loved it. I loved Luke and Han and Leia, I loved the Falcon, the Star Destroyers, the X-Wing. I loved Obi-Wan, and Sidious, and Maul, and Dooku, and even the much-maligned Anakin Skywalker as portrayed by Hayden Christenson. I loved it all. Then The Force Awakens happened, and I thought I had grown out of Star Wars. I was wrong. I hadn't grown out of Star Wars. It had changed and no longer wanted me. I knew this when I watched The Last Jedi. I hated Rey. I hated Holdo. I hated Poe and Finn and Kylo Ren, and I absolutely HATED Luke Skywalker and "General" Leia Organa, and this pathetic washed up old man with none of the self-respect Han Solo had earned in Return of the Jedi. I hated them. And I said I hated them. Then I was called racist. I was called racist because I didn't like Finn. Never mind that I like Mace Windu, or Lando Calrissian, or wished that there were more Asian and Black characters in the movies out of a sheer love of how different humans show how we can be all sorts of different kinds of people. I did not like Finn. And apparently neither did the actor like how his character was handled, so maybe there's a version out there I do like. I was called sexist. Never mind my love of Leia, Mon Mothma, Padme, Ahsoka, Ventress, Mara Jade, Bastilla Shan, Kreia, Mira, Shaak Ti, Juno Eclipse, Ayla Secura, Barriss Offee, or my choice to play any number of female characters in Star Wars RPGs. I did not like Rey or Holdo. So I was sexist. I do not love Star Wars anymore.

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

@@Namewriter Well said, my friend. I can definitely relate. Many are experiencing this, and I think many are realizing how ridiculous it has gotten. It gives me hope that we may be turning the corner, but it is always darkest before the light.

@humpterdink

2 жыл бұрын

So do you hate Star wars now or is your enjoyment of the SW universe sullied? Cant bad movies be forgotten?

Watching the Amazon trailer was like being tempted by the one ring. It promises the things you desire so fondly, then seduces you into a corrupted version of it. I have passed the test. I will diminish into the West and remain loyalty to Tolkien's vision.

@furryfury.

2 жыл бұрын

This comment is gold!

@furiousd123456

Жыл бұрын

well put nigga

@BrilliantMin

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@jayzee7911

Жыл бұрын

That’s a great analogy. I was tempted at first but I also passed the test.

@leeosbourne3376

Жыл бұрын

Best comment!

You know, maybe Amazon really do like the Lord of the Rings. They are giving us the full, real life experience of confronting evil, just like the books.

@chippyonline001

Жыл бұрын

Is this what the Battle of Helm's Deep felt like? 💪

@manuelgamito

Жыл бұрын

This.

@Ihavehadmanynames7779

Жыл бұрын

FOR ASGAAARD

@shanedesmond1140

Жыл бұрын

@@Ihavehadmanynames7779 cibai

@iprobablyforgotsomething

11 ай бұрын

Ehh, maybe you're right. Amazon should've tagged appropriately, though; not a big fan of modern day au's, personally.

I'm honestly a casual when it comes to Tolkien but through my experience as a fan of Marvel/DC/Star Wars/Halo I empathise with your feelings on this. To change historical art to fit contemporary standards is not progressive it's a regressive act that shows they don't really view the author or artist with any kind of due respect.

@11Survivor

Жыл бұрын

Halo wasn't ruined because of politics though. In a way it's worse that it was simply sheer incompetence.

I'm an asian Chinese by ethnicity and I love the world that Tolkien created and everything in it. I see absolutely no need nor any good reason to change and modify what he wrote just to "represent" me. I value authenticity and accuracy way more than changing them just to fit my agenda. His works are all beautiful and the fact that these "Tolkien experts" try to justify their childish fan-fiction just makes me lose hope in humanity.

@zxyatiywariii8

Жыл бұрын

I agree! I'm Tahitian/Japanese/Roma("Gypsy") and I've loved Tolkien's books since the first time I read them. I don't read or watch fantasy looking for who look like me, I read it to enjoy exploring this unique and original world the author has created.

@thirdtooth4069

Жыл бұрын

I am a white male and my favourite movie as a kid was Mulan.

@weeboftheleft5113

Жыл бұрын

@@thirdtooth4069 Mulan was 🔥🔥🔥though

@Rekaert

Жыл бұрын

Yeah agreed. I'm white British with a love of Japanese period films. Not once did I wish some white Brit was in them so I was 'represented'. I managed to relate to the characters just fine.

@chadbennett7873

Жыл бұрын

Being a white aged man, I completely respect your statement. Tolkien inspired me to write my own heroic fantasy, and the main message in my story that there is greater strength in diversity ... many races, many skills. I didn't feel "forced" to place peoples that didn't make sense ... so sadly, no Asians because geographically it was a reach too far. I am appreciative and respectful for characters of all races, fantasy or real, but my real purpose here is to applaud your comment. I don't expect to see white heroes show up in Asia ... "The Last Samurai," in order to draw my interest.

Sams quote always gets me. Frodo : I can’t do this, Sam. Sam: I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy. How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened. But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t. Because they were holding on to something. Frodo : What are we holding on to, Sam? Sam : That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.

@abigailslade3824

2 жыл бұрын

Samwise is the true hero of LotR imho. Much like R2D2 in star wars.

@TheNin-Jedi

2 жыл бұрын

@@abigailslade3824 Padme was actually the main character in the prequels. We can deny it all we want because its Anakins story too but its literally Padme. The entire 3 episodes revolve around her. Episode one who has the most lines? Padme/Queen. Episode 2. How does the plot kick off? Save Padme from assassination. Padme's love for Anakin. Their eventual marriage. And then Episode 3. I must save Padme from death. I'll even fall to the darkside to do it.

@abigailslade3824

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNin-Jedi I didn’t say who the plot revolves around only who is the true hero and that is undoubtedly R2D2 he saves the hero’s of multiple generations, multiple times he is a bloody legend no doubt.

@TheNin-Jedi

2 жыл бұрын

@@abigailslade3824 I just figure i'd point that out since not a lot of people know. lol

@trippssey

2 жыл бұрын

Tear up every time

Thankfully someone has finally addressed the “TRUE” goals of these current Hollywood ideologically driven corruptions of our heroes and stories, and thankfully it’s by someone who is brilliant and eloquent enough to do so… and btw, he makes an attractive and believable Elf (in my opinion). Great work!

@xoxablade8345

9 ай бұрын

100% he makes a very attractive Elf In my opinion. :)

Smiling without it touching my eyes, crossing my arms beneath my breasts, tugging upon my braid, and pouring a goblet of mulled wine out upon the ground for my dear departed homie, The Wheel of Time, who was killed by Amazon Studios before all of this Tolkien stuff started making the rounds.

As an older woman in love with Tolkiens works, KZread has opened my eyes to a younger generation full of integrity, passion, intellect and appreciation. Though I am saddened by what I see from Amazon, I am thrilled it has brought me to different channels full of knowledge and appreciation for a fabulous world created by an amazing writer. Continue to live with integrity, passion and curiosity xx

@mattiasandersson8693

2 жыл бұрын

Good to hear

Amazon has already admitted they don't have the rights to the Second Age lore. That should tell you everything you need to know about all of this.

@jcbritobr

2 жыл бұрын

well, then its a shot in the foot make a show in second era, when you not had the rights.

@seehr

2 жыл бұрын

That must be a lie. It's impossible that they signed a 50 hour long show of a billion dollars without "having the rights". Sound stupid and I think it's just an excuse for the inmense non-canonical shit they are about to release.

@Reapno

2 жыл бұрын

@@seehr As i understand it they have the right to the Appendix of the Lord of the Rings. Not The Simarillion, not any of the tales, just the Appendix. Basically they decided that just being able to have something in middleearth was worth that money. They didnt buy the rights to any meaningfull story. They bought the IP in name only.

@chloemarlowe3817

2 жыл бұрын

@@seehr bro, it's almost as if they weren't interested in making a TV show adaptation of the Second Age as written by Tolkien and instead of buying the rights to everything, they just bought the popular parts. To me, it's clear that Amazon just wanted to make a fantasy TV series to have their own Game of Thrones and slap "Lord of the Rings" on there so that the show would already have a built in fanbase.

"When the enemy stands before your walls and demands that you open the gates for them otherwise you're being mean, you should tell them no". I think this is a great insight in how current social transformations are occurring. Some smart people have discovered that you don't need to have honest conversations about social subjects, all you have to do is engage in name-calling and convince others of using these labels to ostracize dissenting opinion. If you don't agree with the what they are pushing, you are the problem, even if you have the reasoned argument and they don't. This strategy is of course not new, but is being perfected using social networking tools and the pervasive media, and sits at the core of what some call "woke".

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

Well said. The people who realize this often times face the most aggressive backlash, because the very people doing this understand the power of social pressure. And don't want anyone to start using their own tactics against them. That's why "wait till you see the show!" is so insidious, intended or not. They don't want people influenced into disliking it, even if the reasons for disliking it are incredibly strong and obvious. And as you say, this is just a microcosm of exactly what is happening in the rest of society.

SO I never leave comments on videos. But this was honestly the best ever explanation of why Tolkien fans are actually angry, and whats truly going on here. Literally first time I've come across your channel, but definitely not the last. Lastly, thank you once again.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

There are few Tolkien fans here

@connorbaz5980

8 ай бұрын

@@reek4062 like you. Begone, snake.

"we can't cast elves because they no longer exist" Man you almost said it with a straight face😂

I legitimately cried at the last scene where Frodo and Sam are talking 😭 Tolkien’s work is just so beautiful.

@happyhippiesurbanfarm8991

2 жыл бұрын

Same here 😂😭 just too good

@frankgallagur2045

2 жыл бұрын

Had a question on a LotR fansite that asked if you could show tolkien only 1 scene from Peter Jacksons LotR trilogy before his passing, what would it be? I said Sam and Frodo on Mt.Doom, Theres no way i wouldnt of shown Tolkien that scene. What scene would you of shown Tolkien?

@theeffete3396

2 жыл бұрын

I tear up everytime I read the chapter in RotK where Frodo and Sam are on the slopes of Mt. Doom talking about how everyone back home will want to hear about Nine-fingered Frodo or Samwise the Brave, only to realize that no one will actually know what they've done because they are going to die there. It's such a heartfelt moment of old friends cherishing one another, despite facing certain death, and one of the best moments in the book, IMO.

@theeightbithero

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankgallagur2045 definitely the Mountain giants in the hobbit.

@Stargazer1974

2 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is that is a completely made up scene that its not in the book. Boyens said that they had to stop and think for a couple of days, how Sam should answer Frodo's question. And then they thought about the'' good in the world''. You see? It is so well-written scenario, that even the made up lines contribute to tolkiens spirit. Does this have anything to do with the Amazon upcoming crap?

This is kind of waking me up to seeing how billionaires, politicians, and power/control-thirsty groups are following the same pattern today that... weirdly enough, Tolkien already told in the stories of Melkor and Sauron, same as how the corruption of hearts of good beings come about through their desires, selfishness, and unwillingness to stand against adversity. Now I understand why Tolkien's tales are timeless.

@authorofgriz

Жыл бұрын

Here's hoping a Balrog-like comes because of their greed. Then watch as they put it on good people to fight it.

Realistically, if you had contacts and lighter skin toner, you could pass as an elf. Elves are mostly of a caucasian type but their otherworldly nature also allows for a bit of differentiation, but I would say you could pass an elf. Maybe a wood elf if you dyed your hair darker but still made your skin lighter and added contacts. Even Orlando Bloom had contacts for Legolas. So it is dooable. Your frame is also light enough to be an elf. If you were fat or a body builder... well, no. I think the true artist actor sees themselves as a tool, rather than a person, so they naturally are unbothered by technical limitations. I'm white, but hazel green eyed, and I wouldn't feel comfortable playing a blue eyed character unless it was justified or countered with cosmetics. For stories and art, you want the art to be represented. If the character is tall, and you are not, then you suggest a tall person. If they still think you are ideal then roll with it. So long as the tallness of the character is displayed, then that is what matters. The art always comes first.

@terje6815

Жыл бұрын

Bro the Moment He showed the picture of hin I was like wow He actually loooks Like an elf

@failegion7828

Жыл бұрын

Think he'd be fine as a wood elf as is. Through would fit better in something like Dragon Age or Elder Scrolls.

@Margatatials

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately acting is also one of the professions at is attractive to people looking for praise and attention wit no interest in the craft. and those types would rather silence constructive critics than learn from them

@Inv1cto

Жыл бұрын

@@Margatatials That's very true. That's why we need good actors who are looking to be artists rather than celebrities.

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made.” - J.R.R Tolkien "There are certain themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages, or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we're trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves." - Peter Jackson, Interview with GreenCine (Dec. 2002)

@Malt454

2 жыл бұрын

I wish people would stop "authoritatively" using that "Tolkien" quote when he never said it. It's hard to take people's "defense" of Tolkien seriously when, apparently, the ends justifies the means by misquoting him.

@Beregond1861

2 жыл бұрын

@@Malt454 YES! I've wondered where they keep getting the quote from, but after reading LOTR and the Hibbit twoce, I honestly don't remember reading *necessarily exactly* that quote from any of his books. Do you know of any Tolkien references that come close to this quote's *actual* origin?

@EstudioVoitheia

2 жыл бұрын

Why Tolkien loved the Middle Ages? Because it was the age where science and peace begin to really matter in society. Before those were not the priority. Besides it was the Age of Creativity and Discovery: see the quite objetive data (manuscript production where much hugher than in place in the word) in quite Epic video (6 mn) in my channel "Age of Reason : Science in Middle Ages.

@Malt454

2 жыл бұрын

@@Beregond1861- One person actually did straighten it out - it's apparently a paraphrase of something that Frodo says to Sam in The Return of the King - “The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.”

@rolandszalai718

Жыл бұрын

@@EstudioVoitheia I am sorry what? During the antiquity places of learning flourished much more so than during the Middle-Ages. It took Europe centuries to near the scientific development of the Antiquity after the collapse of the Roman Empire and the intellectual terror of the Church.

Yea when I heard that woman say that Middle Earth “should reflect the world we live in” I was gobsmacked. What an insane thing to say, that this fictional universe that has set lore should be utterly changed to something that doesn’t make sense solely to appeal to a bunch of weirdos.

@deathbymazda

2 жыл бұрын

The world the woke live in is a fictional one as well. Nothing they claim is true is ever really true

@Cyberplayer5

2 жыл бұрын

@@deathbymazda It's far worse than that. It's an ideology that corrupts everything it touches much like the one ring.

@dawnrazornephilim

2 жыл бұрын

Her world, America, even the city is not anything like my world, is her world of more value to reference? It's a pretty selfish thing to say and gives a greater reason why it should just reflect the Tolkien world.

@simonhandy962

2 жыл бұрын

Do not meddle in the affairs of Woketards, for they are unsubtle and quick to trigger....

@andydudley1775

2 жыл бұрын

well said i remember when this type marched on netflix .claiming to be victims of funny being offended on the behalf of others who rather they shut the fuck up. turned out to be a bloke in a dress wanting to have a sex change so he could beat up asain women high on meth.

In the Peter Jackson movies I can’t see any characters that “represent” me. None of them share my ethnicity. But I firmly believe that the LOTR trilogy are the best piece of cinematography to have ever existed. This series is ridiculous and all these political messages cater toward an audience that definitely doesn’t make up a majority of fans.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

You’re praising the Jackson movies without giving any praise to the books. That shows you’re not a Tolkien fan.

@mustbetheSUN

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, and that is super puzzling to me. How could they miss their target audience by this much? Tolkien movie fans may not be as nitpicky about the lore, but they appreciate good cinematography and good scripts. They can see themselves represented in a well written character - whatever race or gender, but well written. And Tolkien book fans love the lore, it's honestly special to us. Did they do no research at all? For a billion dollar investment?

@Kyoukya

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@reek4062You’re labelling someone without knowing them. That shows your comment is meaningless. I’m just following your logic.

Dude, you touched my soul. I was thinking about watching Rings of Power just to give Amazon the benefit of the doubt but you totally changed my mind. Tolkien would be (probably is) spinning in his grave with the amount of corruption that is flooding into his wholesome creation.

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

If you decide to watch it, wait until after the full season is out, definitely don't add to their release numbers. I don't plan on watching it anytime near release. I'll watch the Jackson films or read the books (or both!) instead.

@htpkey

Жыл бұрын

So you were initially interested in experiencing this story with a clean slate and with as little bias as possible, but you are now swayed to not give it a chance by some random critic on the internet? Do you still think you are being reasonable?

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

@@htpkey But the show is out now, and it's bad

@htpkey

Жыл бұрын

@@LivingAnachronism The show is out now, that is true. I just hope that people watch it on their own before they start debating whether or not it is good. You can't make the blanket statement that it is bad. It is a matter of subjective opinion, like all art.

@chewydoggo1254

Жыл бұрын

@@htpkey you misunderstand. Ever since it was advertised I was nervous, especially when I learned they did not even get the rights to the book containing the information on the era of middle earth they were creating a story about. On top of that, Amazon had been pushing away the input of those who study the works of Tolkien as their literal career. I have in fact watched the first three episodes and very nearly everything related to the elves could be proven incorrect, or even the complete opposite, if one read the actual second age material provided by Tolkien. I understand that sometimes to dramatize a novel the creator may need to stay from the canon, but Amazon has completely altered and ignored solid, necessary, and unchangeable information to an extreme level. “Clean slate” would be implying ignorance of the canon and relying on Amazon’s inaccurate display to gain understanding of pre LotR lore. Yes I am bias, I am bias for the true canon. And, aren’t we all just “some random critic” to at least one of the numerous daily things we judge?

"We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. ... In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves." - Peter Jackson “It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like,” - Lindsey Weber, Producer of Amazon's lotr, the rings of power Oh boy...

@Agreus93

2 жыл бұрын

this fucking producer always use the term "seems natural" to justify their stupidity (Dave&Dan the same fucking shit...)

@Walamonga1313

2 жыл бұрын

Difference between a talented filmmaker at adapting stories and an absolute hack with 0 creativity

@Hotchpotchsoup

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, these people don't get fiction

@Nyarlathotep_Flagg

Жыл бұрын

@@Hotchpotchsoup Or respect, or integrity, or the franchise itself for that matter.

@SithCelia

Жыл бұрын

Whatever happened to works of fantasy taking us all out of the rat race of the modern world?

The Lord of the Rings - books and films - are so incredibly important to me in a way I can't describe. My grandparents adored it, my parents adored it, and I grew up surrounded by it to the point it became part of my life, and something that I shared with people I love. Seeing Amazon treat it like this, involving politics that have no business being involved in it, wringing it out and shaking it for their own benefit, is concerning and insulting. I seriously hope we're all wrong and it turns out to be good... but my faith in them is very very low.

@chrono2959

2 жыл бұрын

Well just based on the track record of the past five years with the death of every beloved franchise/IP being sacrificed on the altar of woke my faith in them is absolutely zero so yours is higher than mine

@kryptonknight5463

2 жыл бұрын

100% agreed

@agathisrobusta

2 жыл бұрын

What politics?

@chrono2959

2 жыл бұрын

@@agathisrobusta you have some serious catching up to do because you had to have been in an a coma the past 5 years to have ask a question like that. Good luck with your studies

@agathisrobusta

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrono2959 Lmao

No words could express how well this was put together.

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@shaunhall960

Жыл бұрын

Agree! I'm almost 60 and I'm so glad we have young people picking up the torch. Tolkien is precious to me. Pun intended. ;)

As soon as I heard about "Rings of Power" and who was making it, I resolved to have nothing to do with it whatsoever. But I didn't realize the depth of my feelings, or spend much time thinking about the level of corruption involved until I watched your video. Your passion on the subject, and the quotes you included, brought me to tears. I don't usually watch videos, because I can't stand to hear people talk when I could read it instead. Yours is the first channel I've ever seriously subscribed to. Thank you for what you do.

19:57 Cramer, you could definitely portray an elf. It's not just the long hair, your whole stature is well suited for it - you have a slender and graceful frame, we have seen you move including doing acrobatics - you would be perfect for the role of an elf. On the other hand, you would make one miserable malnourished dwarf. :D

@johnsmith-de3tl

2 жыл бұрын

or a dashing corsair. that beard be stylin'

When I was a baby, my father used the Lord of the Rings as a babysitter for me. My whole life, I've been a fan. it came out a year after I was born, and since then, I've seen it several times a year sometimes more. It gets rid of stress for me; while some people smoke or drink, I just watch the lord of the rings and the music. The visuals always take my stress away. Seeing what's happening now, I'm just going to stick to my books and movies and not even acknowledge Amazon's attempt to ruin my childhood.

@HernandezProAccounting305

Жыл бұрын

Amazon is trash, I appreciate the work so much more now after what Amazon is trying to do.

I already wasn't planning on watching this show because something about the whole tone of it felt fake and hollow, but you've articulated several excellent and compelling reasons why that is. Thank you.

@jenniferk6697

Жыл бұрын

I only watched the first two episodes, you aren’t missing much worth that big a headache

Absolute standing ovation and tears at the end. Masterful, necessary, and righteous. Liked and subscribed.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

The Jackson movies sucked

Funny how everyone saw this coming and then it happened just like we knew it would.

@nillynush4899

2 жыл бұрын

The entire past decade has essentially been the r*pe and replacement of old entertainment propoerties, mythologies, and beloved stories.... Ghostbusters, Terminator, Star Wars, Star Trek, James Bond etc. etc. etc.

@milesdavis9588

2 жыл бұрын

@@nillynush4899 Cant lie James Bond did have some ways that in modern society cant happen but I do think the last was a a bit much in pushing certain agendas.

@NoticerOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always been concerned about it but then I thought we were jumping the gun. NOPE. Exactly as predicted. Maybe we’re just so well-versed in it now

@theeffete3396

2 жыл бұрын

@Nilly Nush Don't forget almost every beloved comicbook character.

@shoeby9273

2 жыл бұрын

@@nillynush4899 I thought the first few Daniel Craig ones were great, but I haven't seen any newer ones.

_“It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass.”_ This evil that Amazon has conjured up, this creeping darkness...this too shall pass...

@terrencegaikowski4083

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed it will!

@trajan1742

Жыл бұрын

A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!

I am a 5ft Mexican woman who has since a child watching fantasy/medieval works from Camelot to Middle Earth, have always PRETENDED to be an elf, without attempting to make myself or idea of what I can be as an elf- CANNON to the works I enjoy.

I’ve been a Tolkien fan since my mother- who recorded the hobbit animation in high school on the first vcr tape she ever bought and memorized the entire book- read the stories to me when I was little. Now I’m older, pregnant, and my nursery is Shire themed. My husband named his dog Samwise, memorized the books and loves Tolkien as well. You could say we’re a Tolkien fan household. The new show coming out, in my view, is not cannon to Tolkien at all because they’ve used words like ‘inspired by’, ‘well Tolkien never said they DIDN’T do this’, and ‘loosely based’. Those are red flags to me. I won’t be watching it. My husband won’t be watching it. My mother won’t be watching it. Their issue is that Tolkien fans, unlike other IPs, are naturally well read. The books are no small matter to read, especially for modern attention spans.

It saddens me deeply how Amazon can't show any respect to what Tolkien has left us.

@oliveremmettknox7776

2 жыл бұрын

Nay. Walt Disney or Weinstien brothers would have butchered Tolkien's Middle Earth lore.

This was beautiful. Thank you for speaking up, and calling out Amazon, etc. who have been defiling beloved IPs. I grew up with my father reading books to his kids; among these were the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. My brothers and I wept when Boromir died, and Gollum lived rent free in my nightmares for years. Peter Jackson's brilliant trilogy, imperfections notwithstanding, was absolutely a masterpiece. I recently tried to introduce my own children to those movies; they're apparently a bit young for them, though, so that will have to wait. But watching those movies again; hearing the masterful music, and seeing the characters struggle through the incredible challenges they faced... Amazon has creeped me out for years, and now that I've got my wife to see that soulless, data mining, agenda-pushing monstrosity as I do they will get no more of my money; not in their store, nor for their garbage media library.

I cannot thank you enough for making this video. Ever since the entire marketing campaign began for RoP, I have experienced a great heartache. Your video truly helps alleviate that pain. It's good to see that there are people who are willing to stand up for culture, literature, and canon in the writings of professor Tolkien.

This is by far the most articulate argument against Amazon's LOTR series I've seen so far, and you do a great job outlining the scummy strategies that marketers and media companies use to divide fans when trying to promote their corporate fanfiction. It's really disheartening to watch a beloved franchise get co-opted by non-fans, unfaithfully reworked, and shoved out the door to churn a profit. Then it gets milked for all its worth, and when it's done the corporation moves on to the next IP with an established fanbase that they can exploit for every last dollar. Star Wars is the one that comes to mind for me, but there's been dozens in the past decade alone.

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you most kindly

@SNWWRNNG

2 жыл бұрын

Heartily agreed. Seeing all the people who probably have never read Tolkien act like they totally know and care about his works beyond their own political agenda is probably the second most disheartening aspect of this whole affair for me, second to Amazon getting to do this "adaptation". Argue about the show all you want, but when it comes to Tolkien's works themselves: Read the books, love the books, talk about the books. Blurring the line between adaptation and source material might destroy the last spaces where calm in-depth discussion of the Legendarium is still possible, and is ultimately giving power over your perspective to Amazon. What we need is a clear statement: No, whatever legal rights you have - you're not adding to Tolkien's works, and we'll never recognize your show or the divisiveness around it as a valid part of actual Tolkien discussions.

@edwardpaulsen1074

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, I have watched these trolls invade and destroy many, many fandoms... They filter in slowly and quietly until they hit some "critical mass" and then the whining and complaining start and then the demands... There are dozens of fandoms that have already been destroyed, even the ones I was not really into... but I have seen them come through and it is high time to stop them... Whatever it takes... their deranged idealism is not only destroying the fandoms, they are infesting every corner of life... our country, the world, and everything that has been held dear to anyone... We are rational, we are reasonable, we are also overly tolerant... but that ends. They *WILL* be told *NO* and they WILL be stopped.

"Evil (Amazon) cannot create, they can only corrupt" ~ J.R.R Tolkien.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

False quote. Even the guy in the video used the correct Tolkien quote. 1:25

That's what I'm saying, bro. As a life-long fan of the Wheel of Time series I was genuinely (naively) excited for the Amazon show. I literally (literally, literally) couldn't even make it through the first episode. It actually made me angry, which is something that a piece of entertainment media has NEVER been able to do before. I have a deep love and personal connection with those books. They are a part of who I am. Seeing what they did to it, and having done it for the advancement of an agenda which goes against everything I understand and believe in, made me angry. I canceled Amazon prime and my Audible subscription immediately and never looked back. I really hope they don't do the same to LotR, but I'd bet my net worth that they will.

I honestly believe we may see a time when Amazon release thier own versions of the Lord of the Rings, edited to make the books more "consistent" with the Amazon series, and that these will be the only editions they will sell. That and official novelizations of the ROP series given co-equal status with the works of Tolkien. In fact, I would not be surprised if Amazon soon remove Peter Jackson's movies from thier platform as well. Only thier version will be acceptable.

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

I would not be surprised

I remember talking to my sister(not an LOTR fan) about how this show is so bad and completely ruining Tolkien's legacy and trashing his and his story's name through the dirt. Her response was, "Why do you care so much?" I grew up on these movies and lore and appreciated the hell out of work and detail that Tolkien put into it and to see that being changed and ignored is actually so aggravating to me. His work has affected so many people and for Amazon to come out and say, "Oh yeah we can make a better story," just shows how little care they have for Tolkien. Either put effort into it and actually try and make it as good and authentic to the story as possible or just let it rest.

@felixward4844

Жыл бұрын

The world has become dispassionate. Westerners have been tricked into believing that indifference and uncaring is cool. Why is it now taboo to love or hate something?

@sandman8993

Жыл бұрын

I expect it to flop

@TheRuggedEagle

Жыл бұрын

Relate it to something she likes and alter certain core mechanisms in its lore/foundation that would drastically perverse or outright ruin its workings. This should help her to understand your/our worries with what has happened to LoTR and many, many more.

@rockinHurley777

Жыл бұрын

How dare her..😖

@zxyatiywariii8

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRuggedEagle Excellent advice. I remember when the Wokeists saw "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" was going to be revamped (no pun intended) and they were shrieking all over Twitter about how horrible it will be to change something THEY love. Their hypocrisy really is stunning.

"You have been chosen, and therefore use the strength, heart and the wits you have!" - JRR Tolkien I salute you sir. The rant was worthy of Helms Deep battle cry

After every bit of news I hear about Rings of Power, I come back to this video. Still very accurate even 5 months later.

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

I am vindicated. Thank you Tex

This video pulled at my heartstrings in every way. Beautifully and wholeheartedly spoken. THANK YOU for standing up for us, the fans who desperately wish to save our beloved Middle-Earth from corruption. ❤️ I am beyond shocked by the extremely high level of disrespect Amazon is showing Tolkien’s legacy, it is devastating. 😔 To have such an incredible opportunity (and budget) to bring people together, to share the immense love of the lore, to bring more light and joy into our chaotic world, to honor Tolkien…..and they willingly chose to do the opposite. I’m afraid the dragon sickness has taken hold of them, and it seems it refuses to let go...😔

I love that we have Tolkien's own words to combat Amazon. When another filmmaker was going to mess with the story Here is what Tolkien had to say; “The canons of narrative in any medium cannot be wholly different; and the failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.” J.R.R. Tolkien.

It goes to show that hiring an 'expert' is almost never valid unless they can prove themselves unequivocally in their field. One of the major themes of Lord of the Rings is that progress is reversion. As we move forward, farther away from classical cultures and the origins of our civilization into an industrial era, we lose our humanity to a cold future of constant change. Many things in his writings are a love letter to tradition. To declare that progressing the lore into a set of modern sensibilities is necessary for Tolkien's work proves that you are the exact opposite of a Tolkien expert. You don't even understand what he was saying in the first place.

@DrWhom

2 жыл бұрын

oh I know what Tolkien was and what his fans _are_

@PadraigTomas

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrWhom Please do tell us what he was, and what his readers are. No need to be coy. After all you are amongst friends.

@LitlBlackDragonNinja

2 жыл бұрын

@@PadraigTomas wHyT3 wAcIztsszzzzzz1!! lolz

nothing wrong with fanfiction! problem is that's not what Rings of Power is... these people deliberately tried to put words into Tolkien's mouth and change the way he told his story. A fanfiction does not make the attempt to change what is already canon, they offer an alternate re-imagination of it, fully admitting that it is not what ACTUALLY happened.

@zoebrugg7594

Жыл бұрын

Pressley!

You could definitely pass for a sylvan elf, or a Dragon Age/DND elf. Especially since the latter are shorter than the Tolkien elves.

The amount of LOTR knowledge and love that you have is hear warming. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day! I stand with you.

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

Let this be the hour, when we draw swords together.

@bestkoolaid1835

2 жыл бұрын

@@LivingAnachronism Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath, now for ruin, and the red dawn!

@sirrabbitthered8496

2 жыл бұрын

You have my sword! 🗡️

@edro8826

2 жыл бұрын

If this is to be our last... then let us make such an end worthy of remembrance.

@aragmarverilian8238

2 жыл бұрын

You have my spear!

"they hate you and want to see you replaced". once people realize this all things becomes easier to understand

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

White replacement theory?

Thank you so much for speaking on these matters, and doing so in a very articulate fashion. I have seen so many of my favorite franchises getting hijacked by people who couldn't care less about anything other than their ideology, and it continually breaks my heart.

Dude I'm so glad I found this video! You absolutely nailed everything; so many people are misunderstanding the framing of all of this. They say we "don't know what we're talking about" when it's merely that they've got different definitions for the words we're using.

Absolutely brilliant! You brought me to tears! I read the series including The Silmarillion when I was in college. Oh, and I'm a Mexican-American female. I saw the movies in theaters (with my mom) in predominantly Hispanic communities that were full!!!! I saw a young man around 18 who had taken his younger sister and at the end, she hugged him. The beacon fires have been lit.

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

That's beautiful, thank you for sharing Maria. These stories have touched millions. It hurts incredibly, that they are now being co-opted for the ends of evil and division.

“It’s just like the stories mister Frodo. Full of Darkness and danger they were, and you often wondered, how could everything go back to normal after so much bad happened? But in the end… the darkness passes, and when it does the sun shines out all the clearer.” (Quote is probably a slight paraphrase) It may seem hopeless, corporations buying up stories we love and turning them into soulless content to meet quotas, but these fake excuses have no power compared to real stories, stories written by people with passion for inspiring and uplifting others. In the end, those are the stories that succeed, that bring people of a hundred different backgrounds together

@cookiethethird572

Жыл бұрын

I wasn't going to get emotional, but now I'm teary-eyed. I guess I didn't realize how much it was weighing me down to see greedy vile companies invade one of the last refuges I'd felt safe in. Your comment gave me back a little hope. Thank you

I 've see the destruction of Star Wars and Star Trek at the hands of Bad Reboot, and the fact that the show runners for Rings of Power are connected to Jar Jar Abrams is a very bad omen indeed. After all, they fired the Tolkien scholar who was working on the project when he told them they were headed in the wrong direction.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

1) Star Wars was already ruined by the special edition and the prequels. 2) Do you even know why Tom Shippey was fired?

@Humbertusmarius

Жыл бұрын

@@reek4062 Shippey told them they were "polluting the Lore." Maybe you know more about it than I do? Just asking.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

@@Humbertusmarius do you have sources confirming it?

I like how you brought up point 6 in the way you did, most people seem to be too scared or bring it up in the wrong way. You articulated it perfectly and as far as the rings of power goes I am now expecting a latino, black and German orc, goblin, and Ent.

I think the best way to protest this is to buy copies of Tolkien's work, specifically the Silmarillion. Write reviews and flood social media and tell them why you bought it. We must fight this war to defend what we love. We must create a last alliance of nerds and fans. This is a good video thanks for speaking for a multitude of fans.

@TrangDB9

2 жыл бұрын

Buy it on Amazon? 😂

@cornelbotha9967

2 жыл бұрын

@TrangDB9 😂

@justanothervoice2538

2 жыл бұрын

Just not on Amazon, use a bookstore. The shills will still credit the boom in sales to the show to justify it.

@TheManticora3

2 жыл бұрын

you know, it's funny how things work, cuz i had a similar idea these days (not with buying the books, but watching the movies): on the 2nd of september when the Amazon's series arive, we should watch Peter Jackson's adaptation to the LOTR

@rebekahloescher6366

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheManticora3 I agree.

My issue isn't with skin colour, you will always get variations in that, depending on where you live. My issue is the elves. The one thing that really set elves apart was the fact they look androgynous. The long hair and delicate features gave them an other worldly look. In the trailer the elves aren't. One has a buzz cut, Elrond looks like he should be in a boyband and Galadriel looks like she escaped from Vikings of Valhalla.

@niclasjohansson5992

2 жыл бұрын

Also, elves should be creepy or at least eerie. Real world folklore elves tempted people into the woods never to be seen again, and that strange danger and alien power is presented in Tolkien. That's why elves as a main character is awfully demystifying

@jarlnils435

2 жыл бұрын

@@niclasjohansson5992 even if the main character is of the eldar... It should be an elven warriors of the likes of Fëanor and his sons. A real hero with fair long hair, terrible shining swords, spears and armor and not, whatever they did.

@env0x

2 жыл бұрын

right elves aren't even human they can't even get drunk off alcohol they have completely different biology. and despite their fair complexion they never get sunburn so why the hell would they have any use for melanin

@jarlnils435

2 жыл бұрын

@@env0x elves can get drunk. But it needs amounts of alcohol, that could kill entire hosts of men or dwarves. The same with melanin, elves can't evolve, unlike humans, who change from generation to generation a little bit. That means, even if they could evolve, it would take a so long time, that the environment around them changes faster than the elves. The Noldor became a bit bigger than the other elves, after milenias living in Aman. But it was only around 3 or so generations. And even the oldest became a bit bigger. So I would say, the land of the valar was the reason. Not evolution.

@niahoad

2 жыл бұрын

Never tought about the aspect that elves look androgynous. Very interesting

"Evil cannot create, it can only destroy." Absolute truth. I'm a 65 year old woman who first read The Hobbit and LOTR when I was 15 years old, and to say that it has not had an impact on my life would be an unfortunate and devious lie. Thank you for speaking out so eloquently as your sentiment not only applies to Tolkien's beloved work, but also much of what we're facing today as a society. It's comforting to know that there is still a conscious and faithful assembly that can still discern right from wrong, truth from lies. (And yes, I could see you as an elf!)

@chippyonline001

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for standing with us! It is an honor to have you holding the line.

Wow. Just found this video. This is very well constructed and can tell you’ve sat down thought through the arguments to get them down precisely before you filmed. It’s very disheartening to continuously see franchises get ruined. What does give me optimism is seeing people from so many backgrounds defending the legacy of Tolkien all for the crime of wanting any adaptions to respect and keep faithful to such intricate and ethereal source material. Tolkien helped create and fill (a Jackson helped intensified with LOTR) that cultural mythological sub current that for the people of Celtic-Anglo cultures had been voided until. And yet, it’s the archetypical themes that resonates with people from all over the world. And it’s truly amazing that amazon haven’t figured this out (or they have but don’t take it serious or have purposely taken offence to it). It’s amazing that I don’t have to be korean to emphasise or understand the characters in the film Parasite, or the tv show Mr Sunshine. But yes, thank you for your sober and careful thoughts. These are Also gg on the hair front, keep it long haha.

It is very sad, that the machine Tolkien hated all his life, with a passion, now took over his works. Amazon Boykott is the first step .For the professor !!!!!!!!

@thesanfranciscoseahorse473

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Already cancelled my prime account.

@TallisKeeton

Жыл бұрын

To modernise a popular quote - Tolkien fans ! 30 centuries of European culture are contemplating you from the heavens ! :)

@karlagarciapinyol5295

Жыл бұрын

@@TallisKeeton Perhaps, you missed the point? Maybe it was me that did! I think op was adressing another pressing issue, corporative greed, rather than the preservation of European heritage. After deep thought, I have realised it not other cultures that orchestrate this desecration, but corporate greed. The decisions that put this feeble attempts at "diversity" are made not by POC nor by feminist women, but by corporate greed putting on a new mask. The same people that suggest simply switching skin colors on characters, suggest elsewhere to add some slander of other cultures in the script. They do not care about me, nor them, nor you. Racism is the same as always, worsening on some places, easing others, and now some European cultures are also being mocked. It is all for money, from people we will possibly never meet. All we can do is avoid this crap, and maybe learn from Tolkien's message of frienship? Because they are definitely Smaug, or worse!

@TallisKeeton

Жыл бұрын

@@karlagarciapinyol5295 For me, now it is a conflict between corporates and their politics and culture, or I should say the remnants of culture (be it western or national or native or whatever), such as Tolkien. :) But maybe these corporate politics also is just a tool - in long term - to erase those remnants from our minds and hearts, to empty our minds for them to better be able to be filled with other indoctrinations ? I m European, Polish/Slavic and tolkien fan, I would be in shame before my ancestors who fought in 3 Polish insurections and in I WW and in II WW and against stalinism. I would be in shame before my grandma and my ma who raised me on Polish literature and on European art, if I allow these billionairs parasites to brainwash me. They can do whatever they want, I dont care, but I will fight to whatever end to not be brainwashed, emptied of my identity and my values - both inherited ones and claimed from the professor. Not every ppl cannot see through the medias propaganda which is a tool of mass mind control.

@replsortech2012

Жыл бұрын

@@TallisKeeton "against stalinism" "emptied of my identity " careful your mask is slipping

Man, this is really really bad. The video you've done is amazing and you hit every point so succinctly. But why do they have to do this to something so many people love. I can only hope, one day in the future, we may one day get the vindication we deserve. Thank you for sharing your views Kramer, it means a lot as a fan, for fans who have the voices that can be heard to shout for the ones who'd never be heard otherwise

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

At first I thought you meant the video and I thought you meant the video haha! Doin my best mate, putting stuff like this out is potentially ruinous, specially for a small channel, thanks for your support, mate!

@Topher7527

2 жыл бұрын

Star Wars, Star Trek, He-Man, Wheel of Time, now LotR. So many franchises I loved have fallen. And it won't stop here. They won't be happy till all of the fandoms are purged of fans and filled simply with consumers.

@sarahluchies1076

2 жыл бұрын

@@Topher7527 and don't forget about Narnia.

@Thomasmemoryscentral

2 жыл бұрын

@@LivingAnachronism Your comment about Amazon's The Rings Of Power not bring Lord of the rings is why I dont consider Disney star wars or marvel comics star wars or Marvel. If they butcher it badly, why should I refer to them as that just because they own the ip?

@GeraltofRivia22

2 жыл бұрын

Why? Because they are cultural Marxists hell bent on destroying western culture, one franchise at a time. The more fans, the better.

Legolas: *speaks Elvish* Aragorn: *speaks Elvish* Legolas: *speaks Elvish* Aragorn: (angrily) "Then I will die defending the franchise as one of the fans!"

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

Let's gooo

they got a believe system = an inconsistent political ideology, we got cultural roots of myths and much respect for this gift. they got postmodernism = "we dont care about sticking to the truth" we got respect for an author's wishes of how to adapt his books. they got pseudointelectual word salad of newspeak, we got beauty of old languages and poems, they got tiktok's weirdos as profesors of brain's conditioning, we got a real scholar, artist and romantic for bringing us all together for some hard, hard learning - about evil, truth, beauty, and honor. Fandoms! "To the king!"

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

That "To the King!" moment in Two Towers gets me every time. Such a powerful moment

Love the logic used here. It concisely DESTROYS every argument thrown at the disappointed fans. Don't watch this series, folks - not even to see the trainwreck. Vote with your wallet.

@sirxarounthefrenchy7773

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to watch the trainwreck on totally legal streaming sites. Trust me guys, they're legal...

I agree, in general with most of your points. I just want to let you know what lotr and all of Tolkien's other works meant to me. I'm half Indigenous but to see me you would think I was full. I was bullied daily and almost weekly physically abused by other students. When I was 10 my older brother had a copy of the Hobbit for homework. The cover intrigued me so I read it. Then fell in love with middle earth. Naturally I followed up with the rest Tolkien's works. It allowed me to escape the constant bullying. It was a world that good could overcome evil. I never identified with any of the characters because of their skin color or race. I identified with them because of their personality,nature disposition and actions. To have Amazon twist the lore of middle earth is very hurtful and their blatant disregard is unforgivable. Tolkien helped me through some of the worst moments of my life. He made school bareable for me. He helped me grow up to be the man I'm today. That is how much his works have meant to me.

@Beregond1861

2 жыл бұрын

Please understand that I say all of this out of love.❤ I agree with all but one thing you mentioned. "...their blatant disregard is unforgivable." I understand that *yes,* the very sinistar intentions of this dauntingly large and ominous business monopoly are truly and deeply evil by nature, but that should *NOT* drive us to abandon all forgiveness. Living gotbthe application of that thesis is *EXACTLYIA what causes division among friends and loved ones the most. " 'Indeed in nothing is the power of the Dark Lord more clearly shown than in the estrangement that divides all those who still oppose him.' " -Haldir.

@akhu9146

2 жыл бұрын

such a nice, truthfull and pleasant episode to tell, even if hurtfull. i felt you, and i agreed with you.

@cybtb

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kevin. I'm very sad to hear what you went through, as I was bullied myself. I'm white, but grew up in South America, Thailand and North Africa. I got a little bullied but not bad. When I went to high school in the UK is when the shit hit the fan! I was white, but had little Western pop culture knowledge and did not speak or think the same way as them, and i was tall and very thin. It was just merciless. Anything different gets stomped. I'm happy you found an escape as I know how important my escapes were.

@mookfarr

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing that. It's insulting to people to think that the only way they'll identify with a character is if they have the same skin color. How superficial!

@oberon5657

2 жыл бұрын

An interesting titbit of expanded lore, from what I remember of the LoTR miniatures board game was that the people of Rhun were threatened with merciless invasion if they didn't ally with Sauron. The only leaders willing to defy him were overruled by corrupt, timid councils, with further attempts to persuade them of such folly stymied by lack of sturdy fortifications on the level of Minas Tirith or Dol Amroth. There were also some pretty cool backstories for the Nazgul hailing from those lands, such as Khamul the Easterling, a notable King of Rhun that desired to repel Sauron, initially.

I came to your channel from SkillTree, and this is the 1st of your videos I've watched. I love you! Thank you for finding a way to articulate my thoughts and feelings. Tolkien created a world. Amazon is trying to take it somewhere those of us who love Middle Earth know better. I feel bad for those that are only finding Tolkien for the fist time through Amazon's "creation". This is Amazon whispering, "My precious". Sad. Thank you for speaking our words. Love you for your strength, backbone, and willingness to step up and do what is right!

Thank you. In addition to those two words I have a dozen others things I want to say about this video. As I sat here and tried to organize my thoughts and type them, I had to admit to myself that I am not a good writer and cannot express those thoughts properly. I then realized that my lack of writing skill doesn't matter as all those thoughts came back to these two words "Thank you" Thank you for expressing all the feelings I have in regards to J.R.R. Tolkien and his writings. Thank you for presenting your arguments in a rational and respectful way in the places where that attitude was proper and in the direct and blunt ways for the points that deserved bluntness. I want to continue to express all of the reasons I have to to praise you and your video, but I will not because as stated above, all of those reasons can be expressed with 2 words "Thank you"

I will not sacrifice the Works of Tolkien. We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our fandoms and we fall back. They assimilate entire fantasy worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!

@kaizokujimbei143

2 жыл бұрын

ありがとう, mon capitan.

@nillynush4899

2 жыл бұрын

The Shadow understands that LOTR is Anglo-Saxon - and they still did what they did. Understand that turnabout may be your greatest weapon. Ask of Amazon, to create a Hebrew Mythology with Black Characters, or an African mythology with Eskimos. They will shudder and shrink like the Cultural Bandits they are.

@vernandsockey8611

2 жыл бұрын

Now for wrath, now for ruin, and a red dawn!

@DrWhom

2 жыл бұрын

you are not actually standing anywhere holding a sword, you silly little man

@vernandsockey8611

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrWhom Speak for yourself! As it happens, I actually do own a sword.

20:22 Tolkien directly addresses realism in fantasy in one of his famous essays, "On Fairy Stories." In it, he defends fantasy as a literary genre. He emphasizes the need for an "inner consistency of reality" within a true "fairy-story", as he calls it. That is, if there were to be a green sun in your fantasy story, there must be a reason and rule for why it is so. The fantasy world should be real and consistent in itself and follow its own rules, which are different from the rules of real life/normal world. There's also a bit in the essay on how the fairy-story might be used as an objective lens through which to reexamine the real world [[[as opposed to being a mirror of the real world]]]. It's a pretty good read if you're into the more scholarly side of Professor Tolkien.

@rafaelbalsan4512

2 жыл бұрын

What Tolkien did for the literary genre as a whole is insane, this is the basis of every good fantasy

@Mylstrydr

2 жыл бұрын

@@rafaelbalsan4512 Indeed! He did all this at a time when fantasy was still considered for children only--which, as we know, was an idea he turned on its head. What's also interesting in that particular essay is Tolkien's emphasis on the necessity of an event that brings a deep joy, or "eucatastrophe" as he calls it, in fantasy stories. In another quote, he calls it "the highest function of fairy-stories to produce." It makes me wonder what he would think about the kind of grimdark, depressing fantasy that's somewhat popular nowadays.

@jaejoonlee3098

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Exactly! This is why I love tolkiens work

@XiongGou

2 жыл бұрын

Any good fantasy story has its own lore and rules. When the rules are compromised or altered it breaks that fictional universe. Many people who aren't avid readers of fantasy don't understand this or see it's importance. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time even Game of Thrones (check the seasons when they ran out of material to adapt and the decline in quality) and Dragon Age (in more recent installments broke its own lore). You can see the decline in all these properties as they begin to "modernize" and introduce more themes or characters that mirror our world and are not consistent with the actual fictional world.

@professorhaystacks6606

2 жыл бұрын

Though ironically this need for consistancy contributed to him never finishing The Silmarillion. At one point he tried to write a 'round world' version, it kept getting too complicated, then he seemingly decided to try to make the story pass through Man's misunderstandings. I suspect the implication in RotK that Bilbo wrote the 'compressed' Silmarillion to be published made that difficult to figure out.

I don't want the story that Tolkien never wrote, I want the story he actually wrote.

I love your passion and rationale with this subject. Bezos would destroy everything to put more money in his pocket. He is indeed as greedy as the dwarves who delved too deeply, and as power-hungry as Sauron. Thank you for taking a stand against this corporate tyrant.

@briansmith303

Жыл бұрын

No, he's not greedy like the dwarves who delved too deeply - their evil was unwitting. He is greedy like the dwarves who murdered Finrod for the Silmaril in the necklace Nauglamir, and then told everybody they were victims of the fans....err.. elves.

Absolutely masterful video.

@Solon_The_Lich

2 жыл бұрын

MACHICOLATIOOOOOOOONSAAAH!!

@facepwnagewtf

2 жыл бұрын

Makes me extremely grateful we have Kramer, shad, and the rest of the Knight's Watch Fighting for all that's good in this world.

@theeightbithero

2 жыл бұрын

Somehow I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that I would find you here.

@rizkyadiyanto7922

2 жыл бұрын

shad? cant believe i would see you here..

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Shad. There is a lot of momentum in the fandom, we may have the opportunity to strike a huge blow. But we need massive numbers.

I have never seen such a well articulated and formulated discussion on the tactics used by the people who topple fandoms. Thank you for your video it is wonderful to see such a passionate fan defend Tolkien's works. You deserve all the support this video brings you, you've definitely earned mine.

@SNWWRNNG

2 жыл бұрын

Not just Tolkien's works though, also Jackson's movies which are somewhat different from the original. They are amazing movies with passion in them and definitely a great way to get into Tolkien, but Jackson and Co. seem to have misunderstood Tolkien's themes in some ways and added/changed some characters and scenes more heavily than necessary. I still agree with the video overall (and anyone speaking out against Amazon is doing a good deed in my book), but it's important to keep in mind that no adaptation can just be equated to the books. Only Tolkien himself could add to his Legendarium, everything else is more like fanfiction - whether someone is legally allowed to profit off of it or not.

I just hope that no one goes to hatewatch it and just gives it more attention. Pirate it if you must, just don't pay Amazon for this farce. Also you could 100% be an elf, or maybe fit even better as a half elf. The height would be an issue for a full Tolkien elf, but a elf/man, or if we wanna get crazy with it, elf/hobbit? Absolutely! You definitely have an interesting and distinct face.

Simply amazing, well thought out and well spoken. I have seen a few of your videos, but this earns a subscriber.

I agree that it's designed to cause division. They COULD have come up with a way to have a diverse cast within the bounds of canon, but they decided against that because it would please too many people and they wouldn't be able to position themselves against "racists".

@theeffete3396

2 жыл бұрын

Assuming this true, it would mean that the creators are more interested in pandering to a fringe minority of post-modernists, intentionally stoking division in order to claim victimhood, and were never interested in honoring Tolkien's legacy. Yeah, sounds about right.

@darkdog42

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly there are ways to make it completely believable and that’s my entire argument to these people their was room in the lore to incorporate other races they just wouldn’t be elves you could argue light skinned actors are considered fair skin for the standards of their race but it’s still a bit more of a stretch or dwarves they’d be from the race of man and if they wanted to keep it in line with the Peter Jackson films just set them all to the east and show how some were corrupted through saurons influence and the rest were hunted down by their former kin explaining why we don’t see them it would make Sauron more evil add more tragic elements to the story and make his downfall at the end of return of the king

@mnomadvfx

2 жыл бұрын

"but they decided against that because it would please too many people" Oh dear - think the 'fans' outnumber the drooling masses do we now? I'll give it to you straight - they don't. "too many people" = the drooling masses, corps don't care about fans at all beside the buzzing noise they make when adaptations don't do x, y or z. If I had my way as a fan then the MCU wouldn't look like a never ending SNL convention - but it does. The drooling masses are the target audience - getting fan approval is a nice cherry on top, but it's one they can live without.

@excursor4296

2 жыл бұрын

When I first heard diverse cast I was stoked to hear more about the Harradrim and their tales as Gondor reach back out to them after the war of the ring. To hear of the blue wizard and how they shaped a good people of Harare who caught in equal measure in the way the Harrad could against Saron. Just to have it be threatened by the Black Numinorians who still hold the Grand Port City. That would have been a tale worth hearing.

@AndrossUT

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing in canon says Black actors can't be cast as Elves, Dwarves, or Hobbits

I've been a Lord of the Rings fan since grade school. Literally, I began reading The Hobbit in fifth grade, in middle school I read The fellowship of the Ring in a week, and I read the other two in the course of a month. I'm what you would call a Tolkien purist. I am however willing to concede that some of the changes in the Peter Jackson films were necessary as you pointed out. The more and more I learn about this series the more and more my heart breaks. I'm not sure if I'll be able to bring myself to watch it. PS. You do look like an elf

@MrDionstarrr

2 жыл бұрын

Don't watch it. And if you do, stream it illegally so Amazon won't get that viewership. We need to make this thing look like it draws no interest

30:28...EPIC battle cry, almost made me tear up. I would ride into battle with you anyday. "Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor (Amazon 🤣)!"

This vid has aged like fine wine. At least we have the books and the Jackson movies. They can't take that away.

I had no expectations for the Amazon series because it's freaking Amazon, they want to make money off of already established fan bases. Plus I feel like ever since Game of Thrones ended, each company is looking for the next 'big fantasy series' to use for profit. Also who exactly is their target audience? It certainly doesn't feel like it's for LOTR fans.

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

It really is too soon for another GoT. People still have a sour taste in their mouths from the terrible ending. GoT had massive success and aired a decade after the LoTR films. The Hobbit came out around the same time, and had more hollywoodisms that the orginal (I still liked them though). The genre needs some time to breathe.

@justanothervoice2538

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly how I felt from the beginning. There’s little hope when it’s clearly little more than a massive corporate cash-grab. What made the movies so dang spectacular was the true passion infused into every fiber of them. It was tangible and it can’t be faked.

@markfergerson2145

2 жыл бұрын

To your last point, anyone stupid enough to pay them money in exchange for their dross. The same people Disney marketed their corruptions of Star Wars to, the same people Star Trek Disco and Picard are marketed to; the desperately politically Left who are aware of the previous iterations of those IPs but are trained to expect more "Woke" content. Amazon literally does not care if the older fan base doesn't like their product, same as the other corruptions aren't aimed at the older fan bases; the assumption is that older fan bases are literally older and more careful with disposable income, less likely to spend money as a virtue signal. Yes, I mean those points seriously. Listen to the rhetoric Amazon and its apologists' default to in their dismissal of criticisms. It IS political whether we like it or not.

@oliveremmettknox7776

2 жыл бұрын

I'm game for more high fantasy movies and tv shows to ease my boredom of Harry Potter, Disney Princesses, Twilight, Supernatural, Marvel and DC superhores, sitcoms and Contemproary fantasy.

You totally look like a convincing elf in that head shot, dude. Also, I'm loving everything you say, as well as your recording area. Star Wars, my favorite fandom since childhood, has been wholly desecrated. I'm here to support the fight for the mythology that created the essence of every western fantasy story that came after the books hit the store shelves, including Star Wars. I wonder if Amazon is even aware that /that/ is what they're playing with, or that it isn't just another "franchise" to sell merch with.

@Beregond1861

2 жыл бұрын

You and your ilk will always be welcome in Ithilien, ma'am.❤

"We have still small swords to use. ‘I will not bow before the Iron Crown, nor cast my own small golden sceptre down.’ Have at the Orcs, with winged words, hildenæddran (war-adders), biting darts - but make sure of the mark, before shooting.” - Tolkien to his son Christopher in 1943

Damn, I wish I found your channel sooner. You speak pointedly and precisely, clearly and concisely with details and counterpoints already on your lips. Subscribed

Just loved your point of view. I felt so confused when i watched the trailer... I felt even dirty to think "how a black elf can be in Arda", but that's how they want to make me feel. They did it on propose to get me out of my beloved fantasy saga and use that brand to push politic and monetize on people opinions. I miss the time when LOTR was just "nerd" stuff made for a bunch of naive and romantic kids... Now geek culture = pop = money. And this is depressing...

@guardiansoulblade2673

2 жыл бұрын

Just ignore it, I"m listening to The Silmarillion audiobook again.

Kevin Smith told MOTU fans that he heard the complaints about the first batch of episodes for MOTU: Revelations and said to just wait for the second batch because he would show that he really felt our pain. The second batch bombed worst than the first.

@LivingAnachronism

2 жыл бұрын

There will always be some reason to "wait and see"

God damn it man, you just touched my soul with this full Tolkien references video. Fell deeds awake.. Now for Wrath.. Now for Ruin.. and the red Dawn. We are together in this fight. If we are gonna go down, we are going down down swinging.

It must be said that LOTR deserves a certain criticism: elevating battle scenes (as well as inventing battle scenarios) over simple story telling, the omissions of Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire, and so on. That said, it stands as an epic presentation of Tolkein's world and is more than worth appreciating as such. I'm confident that nobody will think of ROP the same way 20 years, not to mention one year, from today.

You are 100% right when you say that "this adaptation" is just a distraction from the real issues and their real intent! Darkness is like "the Nothing" in the Ever Ending Story... Never stoping but devouring all that is good until all goodness is defeated, but they will not succeed! There is still good in this world and it is worth fighting for!

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

Well spoke, Ricardo

@colorin81colorado

Жыл бұрын

@@LivingAnachronism I am truely sorry KZread has given you so much grief. It is well know as an unfair platform but every drop of light you created (I see this video as a drop of light) will endure beyond this existence 'cos light will always win over darkness!

The saddest part about the abomination Amazon has made is that they could had easily created in canon lore stories about POCs by setting the stories in Harad and Rhun which were never explored storywise in the books. Imagine seeing how the people of those lands lived and center it around those that resisted and resented Morgoth and Sauron's call since both saw them as nothing more than arrow fodder since canons didn't exist yet. Imagine also since those parts of Arda were not covered in length one can then bring in lore from those regions for example the Oliphants that we saw in the movies we could see Olyphant riders and trainers using Oliphants to build structures such as a bridge and then have Rok attack them (A Rok was a mythological giant bird that hunted and ate elephants so huge it could had gone toe to toe with Smaug. But no they chose to ditch the canon lore entirely and repaint white characters instead.🙄 Its because of 💩 for brains creators like these and megacorporations supporting them that instead of having an Static Shock movie we get a repainted Clark Kent/Superman instead. This Baizuo era we live under just sucks monkey balls.

@kylethomas9130

2 жыл бұрын

Now see, you could make probably several shows based on your one comment. Show the good in the world, show the people who opposed evil even when it was a losing battle. These Amazon filmmakers aren't fans of storytelling or creativity, they're fans of money.

@AlexIncarnate911

2 жыл бұрын

@@kylethomas9130 They have an agenda of division and creating doubt and mistrust among people by fabricating imaginary scandals and tension.

@vgorp3849

2 жыл бұрын

Harad would've provided beautiful scaffolding for an untold story of people of color in Middle Earth, but the point wasn't to exalt people of color, it was to diminish what they perceive as "whiteness". They don't want to see original characters in Harad, they want to see "diversity" imposed on "white" iconography to settle a score, which means rewriting staple parts of Tolkien's world. It's disappointing not only as a fan of Tolkien's writing, but also as a person that genuinely wants to see a niche for people of color in fantasy culture. That 1 billion dollars could've been used to elevated poc, but instead it's being used to rewrite English mythology. Another opportunity like that may not come along for generations.

@reianvase6683

2 жыл бұрын

Black people are cool as heck as haradrim or easterlings. They are very intimidating.

@jacobambos3885

2 жыл бұрын

You could have original POC characters in the Second Age West by using the Druedain (who are sometimes depicted as having dark skin), a race of beardless dwarf-like woodsmen whose cleverness and woodcraft causes them to be ascribed magical powers in legends. And their women fight as warriors as well as men. Seems woke-ready. But the writers would have to crack a Tolkien book.

I salute you, sir! You refuted the arguments excellently, and by choosing that scene at the end, you highlighted that you yourself are defending something intrinsically beautiful, that would be beautiful with or without you, rather than destroying something merely for the sake of destroying, as the Enemy is doing. I also hope this reaches into the ranks of those working on the show. I doubt it will have any affect on those higher-up; but if Smeagol had a shot at redemption, then so do they. But I hope those lower-ranked see this video, those who enjoy Tolkien's work and think they are actually honoring him. I hope they find this, or other videos like it, videos made with true love. Well done! The beacons called, and Rohan answered!

@LivingAnachronism

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Christopher. I honestly wonder what it must be like on the lower level, probably even some of the higher ups and actors. At the end of the day I'm sure they worked really hard, and many of them do like LOTR, but they have very little say in the script and the marketing. It's sad they are caught in the crossfire.

"You're being mean. No, I'm not an idiot." 🤣🤣!