Absolutely no issue with what Forest said, if anything they are spot on, and they are actually saying what everyone is thinking. That was one of the worst refereeing performances I’ve seen. Forget VAR for a minute, how has Anthony Taylor not given at least 2 of those penalties on the field. Stuart Attwell on VAR needs seriously looking at, a Luton fan with 3 of the most biased, blatant incorrect decisions you’ll see.

@adrianrennocks1007

Ай бұрын

Taylor has to give his reasons , surely

@borachon26

Ай бұрын

Can't wait to hear the audio.

@RobertJones-ku4fg

Ай бұрын

Come on the first one would have been very soft, the second was 50/50 depending on the interpretation of the rules, only the third was a stonewaller

@matthewbarber13

Ай бұрын

@@adrianrennocks1007that’s true, the audio is key to this. The first one and the second one for me are both penalties but if he says I’ve seen both and I’m not giving them it’s harder for VAR to intervene on clear and obvious. The third one however he clearly made the gesture he’s got the ball, that moment VAR has to intervene as it’s now a factual matter, Taylor says Young got the ball, VAR can clearly see that he has not - that right there is Clear and Obvious. It was a shocking display on field and in the VAR room.

@ForzaMilan-di2zd

Ай бұрын

What is the point of having VAR, if they haven’t the balls to overturn the refs decision. Their excuse is the ref is reffing the game. VAR can’t even correct wrong decisions

Of course Forest should be allowed to question a match officials integrity, as should everyone have, corruption exists at all levels in every walk off life

@jedfra9172

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. I would add that if the FA, Prem and PGMOL didn't think it was possibility then why are refs having to declare the team they support and restricted from certain fixtures in other instances.

“Sky Sports is in bed with the officials” Ben Foster

@AItakover

Ай бұрын

Thanks sherlock Holmes..,next you'll be saying Manchester teams prevail at the expense of fairness lol

@BrandonBelshaw

Ай бұрын

@@AItakover actually yeah

@eiler1987

Ай бұрын

@@AItakover I mean it’s widely known Howard Webb was a shill of SAF.

Love seeing the public not having an issue with what was said and the mainstream media hating it!

@user-md9sp5nc2c

Ай бұрын

weird isn’t it. almost like they’ve got little reasons for being like whether it be money or rights. only people you’ll hear the truth from is the fans

If Stuart Atwell wasn’t cheating it’s 100% worse for me. He should lose his job end of story, because either option is unacceptable

This is definately not the first game Mr.Atwell and Taylor have officiated and has ended in total chaos ..The most watched league with the worst officials..

@ryanjones1993

Ай бұрын

Because there part of the corruption

@Taecoconut

Ай бұрын

Antony Taylor has a chip on his shoulder against Tottenham as well 😂

@Miles-sy9cf

Ай бұрын

Also was on VAR when the ball was given back to Liverpool in the 98th minute

I suspect Forest released the statement like they did to make maximum impact, and it looks like its working, its finally getting people talking about all these bad VAR decisions, not just the ones that affect Forest. Something needs to be done even if its a review of the whole VAR process.

@jedfra9172

Ай бұрын

Yes and when hearings are held for any punishment they receive ALL the facts and the ineptitude will have to be forthcoming.

Simple explanation - The officials are bent.

@notyourfriend1634

Ай бұрын

so is darren

@AItakover

Ай бұрын

Facts...pundits are soulless

@user-tt8lf3fv1y

Ай бұрын

Been wondering this, some teams get alot of grace and others are treated harshly. The same as the media love and protect their favourite northern sides

@LurganGoon91

Ай бұрын

Yes and they are corrupt 😂

@Drunken_Horse

Ай бұрын

If they aren't then being so incompetent the vast majority of fans think its corrupt should be grounds to sack the lot of them

Carragher and Neville are bellends. Just because they’re on sky, doesn’t mean ANYBODY respects what they say.

So Darren agrees the third appeal was a definite penalty. If Stuart Atwell is overseeing VAR, why isn't he sending the Taylor to the screen... it stinks.

@eiler1987

Ай бұрын

Yeah then says Stuart did nothing wrong. He failed to do the bare minimum of his job. If I fail to load the proper tool in a machine and scrap a job I can be sent to look for a new job. So I don’t get why they keep protecting refs for failing to do the basics of their jobs.

@stegray1422

Ай бұрын

Totally agree ​@@eiler1987

@roykeane1922

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. It’s honestly more concerning on a meta level if he wasn’t cheating. 99% of unqualified football fans know that last one is a foul. It’s this man’s job? Laughable

@eiler1987

Ай бұрын

@@roykeane1922 and I know fouls are subjective. But to claim “he got the ball” allegedly by Taylor. When replays show Young did no such thing. And then for Attwell to just ignore what he sees and say it’s not a clear and obvious error.

@roykeane1922

Ай бұрын

@@eiler1987 he should be sacked, end of story. Either he cheated or isn’t fit for purpose

I'm clearly no Forest fan but they are right with the statement. I have said for a long time now that the officials are either incompetent or corrupt no in between. They are all bad. If you watched the Man City v Real Madrid match last week that was what you call a proper referee he was tremendous. The so called best league in the world with the worst text book referees . P.s Gallagher and Clattenburg were two of the most controversial refs out there.

Do these guys know anything about Attwell? He's done nothing, except get 2 potentially 3 key decisions wrong. Also, His reputation? The guy gave a goal for a shot that went wide!!! Just to clarify, I'm not a Forest fan. I'm just sick of these ref's getting a free pass every week

Hey. That guy that phoned in does not represent most of us Forest Fans. Personally hope it was Marinakos that sent the tweet. And that he Sue's PGMOL. It's a limited company after all.

Huge questions need to be asked why none of the decisions actually went to VAR!

Spurs fan here I think Forest and Everton have been treated disgracefully this season.What about Chelsea and City? premier league in their pockets with corruption.

@user-ct1cj6hs8d

Ай бұрын

clown, Luton have been cheated loads of times

VAR will decide the winners and losers of this seasons Premier League. Then theyll do it next season and so on. Why? Because the fans let it, because its funny when its not you. Why not put the rivalries aside, like with the super league, show that without us theres no Premier league, force change.

@jackkeane6

Ай бұрын

This is the chance for fans of all clubs to back Forest instead of laughing at the statement and force the league to sort out VAR.

@adrianrennocks1007

Ай бұрын

Totally agree. Something stinks about the Premier League, terrible decisions week in week out, and zero accountability. We are passionate about our clubs and our football, and we speak out because we actually care.

@dstewusa7054

Ай бұрын

@donesko81 👏👏👏

Cracks me up that forest are wrong to speak out,lots of people can't even comprehend that somebody could be bias.its happens in all walks of life,goverment,police why not football .if its not bias is he so bad he should never have been near a var job

@adebolabloke6962

Ай бұрын

BiasED

@5uper5kill3rz

Ай бұрын

true, we hear a lot about unconscious bias these days... almost too much, surely in football, where the passion is huge, the chances of unconscious bias are high

Get the audio recordings quickly before the PGMOL do a dodgy edit. Actually, get an audio expert to check anyway

The VAR ref is a fan of one of the teams, no way should he be involved in the game for a team he supports.

Even if he didnt realise it, being a fan of an opposite team in that situation will come into it without him thinking. If they go down this will be a wild situation

@zig_ziggy

Ай бұрын

How could Attwell NOT realise that refusing 3 clear penalties would not effect the game? Goals change games.

@stuartrowland4818

Ай бұрын

Why would a Luton fan not want a draw? It would be the most favourable result, surely? Especially as Luton hosts Everton in a couple of weeks.

Everton fans, some of them said that Forest should have had 2 penalties st least. Ashley Young really jeopardised Everton's chances of winning the game. Luckily they did win, but nevertheless it is crystal clear as day that the Established Top 6 will always have decisions go their way and the 14 other clubs will have decisions go against them. I want Everton and Nottingham Forest to both stay up for a few reasons, for Everton, they have been top-flight regulars for 7 decades now, Liverpool cannot have its two teams in different divisions and in Evertons case, they have been punished for being honest and truthful with their stadium plans and finances, unlike Man City who have denied the allegations against them and vice versa. Forest - It would be hugely unfair to see them go down again after 25 years trying to return and like Everton and the 12 other non-Big 6 clubs they have not had decisions go their way in recent games. So I feel for both clubs, as an opposing fan of Everton and Forest, they always have been big top-flight names and to see them be controversially relegated in place of two of the three that will go down, if it happens will be terrible. I believe Forest and Everton will stay up against the odds and the three promoted teams will return to the EFl..

@willydeatheatter3547

Ай бұрын

You said all decisions go to big six? Stfu look at how man United got treated this yr! Lots of ghost penalties and cards and fouls given to our opponents! It’s one team which needs to investigate into: Man City

@tevildo45

Ай бұрын

@willydeatheatter3547 Look at the decisions man united got in the fa cup last season against city, look at the man united wolves game at the start of the season! There’s a reason it’s called Varchester United

@Battouga

Ай бұрын

I truly feel for Forest but you have to be delusional to think that the top six teams gets every decision their way.

As a LFC fan let me say firstly, I feel Everton & Forest got fuked over with the points deduction when City have 115 charges being swept under the carpet. I want both teams to stay up... So this have nothing to do with either side. What happened yesterday was without a doubt corrupt beyond any reasonable doubt. It can't be denied. The PL is dead to me... We should all take a stand. They are laughing as all us fools, well no more for me.

@29memyselfandi

Ай бұрын

Yeah I’m actually getting sick of football and I’ve loved it all my life. Between the bad/bent officiating, the woke nonsense that now surrounds the game, the colossal wages for average players: the game has lost its soul.

All 3 pens not even a Forrest fan

@stuartrowland4818

Ай бұрын

Liverpool? 😏

@cupheadtheavncher724

Ай бұрын

@@stuartrowland4818 arsenal bro

Forest and Wolves have being robbed bilnd by refs this season

@ForzaMilan-di2zd

Ай бұрын

We got fucked over all last season. Funny how u don’t see City or Utd getting fucked over

This comes down to having a conflict of interests... Any referee/VAR can easily have a conflict of interest, and removing them removes the potential conflict of interest affecting a game and a final result... This is why a judge or lawyer has to recuse themselves from any case in which they might have a lack of impartiality...

@iaindw1

Ай бұрын

its not the same behave. lol

Very odd how everyone (fans) in Social Media, irrespective of their club, is in support of Nottingham Forest, while the two Nottingham fans that I heard speak with the TalkSport guys (one of them here, the other in some previous video) go against the club's statement. Not sure what's going on here.

@segineseju464

Ай бұрын

It's because the ones here aren't Nottingham fans, but people in their office who call in😂

Forest getting Robbed by VAR and PSR

Man city never gets penalties against them. What about Jack Grealish handball against Chelsea 😮😮

@riccardobrogelli3550

Ай бұрын

And Doku's last minute penalty against Liverpool

@KS-xj7ux

Ай бұрын

CIty did have a penalty against them when they played Palace at the Etihad, but I know where you are coming from, in terms of when it matters most (in games at this stage of the season)

Attwell was disgusting. Forest were spot on.

I disagree that Luton wanted a draw, a draw suited Forest and Everton more than anything, obviously both wanted to win but would take the point. Forest losing was the best result, but even then, it is more a case of unconscious bias from Attwell rather than deliberate in my opinion.

I agree with Forest, it's been a disgrace all season for most teams except for man City

Why is it crossing the line. Attwell is a serious threat to any club out of the top 8. They should stop defending this buffoon.

Nottingham Forest is accurately stating the facts. These facts are open to scrutiny and stand strong under examination. If their integrity can't be questioned then I doubt it's the truth. Why not release the tapes immediately if they're so sure the officiating was integrity?

This VAR is really working out well for the game isn't it? Its totally revolutionised the game and made football a joy to watch

Just go back to one ref and start enjoying goals or whatever happens in the moment. VAR can just do offside. Hopefully better than Liverpool v spurs game.

Nottingham Forest, Wolves, Everton, Coventry, Burnley, Liverpool, Chelsea etc... and obviously more will feel hard done by the VAR. The purpose of the VAR is to get the right results, but it has failed. Nottingham Forest had the balls to speak out, and from now on, everyone should. Also the EPL is getting destroyed by bureaucracy, media and pundits who have their analysis/script done by someone else. Our once beautiful game is now, a ugly mess, full of cheating/corruption. Also that referee who officiated the Forest v Everton match should be sacked and examined to see if his cranium is leaking, which would explain a lot.

Ashley Young is a NFFC fan, he tried his hardest to get them the points

@stuartrowland4818

Ай бұрын

That makes the most sense. Especially with the third, he must've thought, surely they'll give this.

@TJTOPBOY

Ай бұрын

Terrible joke

@lukew6725

Ай бұрын

That would actually be amazing if both him and the ref were trying to cheat for opposite teams. 😂

Benty spot on.

Alex Ferguson could pick who refereed his games

Darren bent is great on talksport

@paulrichards6894

Ай бұрын

i agree...one i like listening to most

The 3rd was a deffo penalty and a sending off as he's last man .How can all the fans can see but var can't, the mind boggles

Without a doubt, VAR needs to be referred by robots/AI for it to work fairly and objectively

Releasing the audio doesn’t make a difference!! Sort out the quality of VAR management. Get them to talk to rugby video referees. Make them ALL accountable and it will work. Mic them up live

Taylor should be sacked. He is clearly incompetent to referee at this level. He is clearly relying on VAR to correct him if he is wrong. And the VAR ref Attwell clearly had conflict of interests to be anywhere near this game. Forest are right to question the integrity of Attwell and the corruption going on within PGMOL.

If forest hadn't have put out that tweet to stir things up, people would not have been discussing the situation so much and acknowledging that forest were completely robbed. Great move in my view.

Luton did not want a draw. They wanted the team closest to them to lose. They see it as a straight contest with Forest as to who stays up. Last thing they wanted was a draw, where both teams move further ahead of them ! Amazing you cant see that !

Taylor has been seriously declining, just like a certain Webb who ultimately resigned from referring. It's a matter of time for Taylor

Refereeing in that game was appalling.. Forest deserved atleast one of those penalty shouts, if not two. Some of these referees and VAR are a disgrace!!

Atwell has done something wrong, isn't that the whole point of the topic? 3 times.

Imagine those two clowns using the words "Integrity" and "Class" when both of them have neither! All they are doing is following the producers narrative in their ears. They are being the mouth piece for money. I love the fact that 90% of fans are agreeing with us! This is happening in all walks of life now when it comes to those who have the power and the plebs who pay for it! They say one thing and we think another! Keep it up Forest! Keep the pressure on! Lets have the audio and transcript released! If there is no problem why are we still waiting for it to be released! They have it so lets hear it!

I watch a lot of football, Italian, Spanish, German and French and one thing i noticed is the referees in those leagues go to the monitor more often than the Premier League. The referee on the pitch should be making the decisions

Stuart Atwell that said Marcus Rashford is not interfering with play in Manchester derby at OT last season after escorting the ball from an offside position.

Having your hands behind your back to make a block isn't a natural position though agree consistency means it should have been given. The first one is given week in week out and can't see any rational explanation for the third.

Whenever you are not allowed to criticise someone...there is or will be after a while....corruption involved

you think THIS stuff is dodgy / morally wrong ? In Glasgow we have a guy who had a season ticket for Celtic and whos dad was employed by Celtic , freely allowed to ref Rangers ( and Celtics) games . Work that one out . His name is Kevin Clancy for avoidance of doubt.

Atwell was on VAR when the ball was given to Liverpool (wrongly) in the 98th minute. Also in the game against Bournemouth when a clear penalty wasn’t given

I don’t honestly get with the technology they have and all the slow mo zoom cameras , virtual lines , heat motion , motion detector camera ect that they get these decisions so wrong ! The Audio var when released with Liverpool was so unprofessional it was a joke

This cannot be incompetence, especially the third claim. Was this FA’s way of giving Everton points for having deducted them points?

Forest's frustration comes from having been on the end of seven or eight decisions as egregious as this just since Christmas. It's a build up that's been brewing for weeks.

The thing is , Forest have gone down the official route of reporting and writing to the officials and all they get are letters back saying, sorry a mistake was made. So I don't blame them for the social media Post at all and wanting the audio of the conversations during the match. Simply because its happened too many times .

We’ve seen match fixing in Italy in recent times, why are so many journalists so adamant that there is no corruption within the EPL. Atwell should never officiate again, how someone can have monitors in front of them and not see that third penalty decision as a clear cut penalty shouldn’t be involved in the game.

Why would Luton want a draw?

@zig_ziggy

Ай бұрын

Forest losing leaves Luton 1 point below them. A draw leaves Luton 2 points below. Attwell made sure that Forest lost instead of winning and being 4 points above Luton, which will likely send Luton down.

@tenerifereddog3943

Ай бұрын

@@zig_ziggy Exactly that but I've heard from 3 different outlets that Luton wanted a draw from these so called experts.

@zig_ziggy

Ай бұрын

@@tenerifereddog3943 A draw would have left Luton with the chance of going above both Forest and Everton. However, to do that would require Luton to gain points and assume neither Forest or Everton gained points themselves, which is highly unlikely. Corruptly ensuring that Everton won, in my opinion gives Luton the best chance of escaping relegation.

Im no chelsea fan but that free kick went between the wall, hit the mans arm, went off for a corner at worst and city get a goal kick. actually a pompey fan and weve just won the league but football is broken and nyo the game i fell in love with

I don't watch every game, but it seems that VAR is being used to manipulate the final outcome. Since the Liverpool and Tottenham game at the beginning of the season, instead of getting better, it has got worse....

Well said forest, I'd say most football fans would agree with forest, each week we see bonkers decisions by var and officials.

Well done Forest 👍

Good. I hope this sticks to Atwell. He's not done his job properly. The Prem is the biggest league in the world, the money involved obscene. You should be on point. If I was inept in my job I'd be on warnings and then out on my ear. Why are these people being protected. To be inept in an arena where the stakes are that high deserves comeback. And it's not the first time he's messed up like this.

Luton doesn't want a draw, their main hope of escaping the relegation trap is by catching Forest. Everton was already looking safe prior to this match

EVERY Time Truth Is Spoken to Power. The speaker will be shouted down.

One minute everyone's talking about them scrapping replays, now its all about forest and VAR🤔

Why’s no one asking the question of match fixing? In any other country it’d be investigated and not investigating or asking questions because it might discredit somebody is rubbish. Atwell did a bad job, he needs to answer for it.

they were all 50/50 calls because forwards are looking to get contact by blocking defenders attempts to get the ball. if its not a clear and obvious error the VAR......

Well get the audio released in a few days once theyve had time to re record it...

didnt see forest jumping up and down when Burnleys goal got chalked off!

I fully understand how upset Forest are, we've all had these dreadful decisions go against us this season and, in my opinion, Forest were perfectly within their rights to call the officials performance out but maybe its not good when you make accusations about someone's integrity in public. Call out the standards of match officials, absolutely, but don't go down the "favouritism" route, it could open up a massive can of worms.

Neither can anyone else make sense of the VAR decisions, however apparently Nottingham Forest are in the wrong for highlighting issues

Maybe he had money on the game.....

The point people are missing is, forest did it the right way at the beginning and went directly to PGMOL before the game but they didn't listen. So now they are listening because they went to social media. So whos at fault then. If PGMOL did listen, and someone else was in VAR and Everton still won 2nil, then this would have been avoided.

Think everyone is missing the point with the tweet. It’s to spark conversation and debate and to put it into light and it’s worked

It's called a conflict of interest people. It is a HUGE consideration in any other industry. The football hierarchy is stuck in the seventies.

Who is holding PGMOL accountable

Wow, all of English media is reading off the same script. They all acknowledge the appalling officiating, but if you question their integrity that's going too far? (further fueling the corruption accusations) I'm glad these "pundits" don't represent fans.

Its seems everyone in the media is scared or are told to say that they way Nottingham forest went about it is wrong the fact is when it happened to Arsenal 3 in one game it was brushed under the carpet but this has to be corrupt how else can you explain those decisions.

The match should be replayed with all tickets provided free if charge. Televised and money given to charity. Lets see how good the FA are

I can tell you exactly who hates Tottenham and when we see the ref we groan…. Michael Oliver and Antony Taylor both dislike Tottenham with a passion and NEVER give us penalties that they give everyone else

Stuart attwell is from Nuneaton, who supports Leicester, I went school with him

@tc8066

Ай бұрын

You didn't attend much judging by your grammar and punctuation.

Why do people have a problem with questioning integrity? Surely a standard part of checks and balances is to check people’s integrity, and then to review it. The refereeing decisions were so bad that it seems perfectly reasonable to raise it. Not from a Forest fan BTW

If the FA or premier league do not believe that a referee (who is a Luton fan) could be biased and cheat why do they assume players would cheat by making all matches on the last day kick off at the same time to avoid cheating.

It’s funny how you can’t find the 4 bad calls on a clips of the game

If you have a conflict of interest, you should not be officiating the game. That applies to all teams in the relegation zone... I would expect no officials with a Luton or Burnley affiliation involved in this game, and really, if it was at all possible, keep all Brentford or Crystal Palace supporters away as well. It's almost as it the PGMOL doesn't understand the concept of a conflict of interest.

Football needs to take a page out of Rugby's book when it comes to transparency in their officiating of games.

The on field ref should have to ALWAYS look at VAR. Then he should make the call, why is that so difficult to understand.

Crystal palace was given a penalty against Liverpool for the exact same thing when van Dijk kick the the palace player foot.

Well done Forest go for it ! Once again we had bad decisions against us, this has been happening all season but I guess if we would have been given 3 penalties no question had we been at the other end of table !!!!

At this point it’s obvious that the officials are corrupt

How can it be considered 'below the belt' to complain about Stuart Atwell after the match when they raised the issue before the match and nothing was done. They did the right thing, PGMOL ignored them and now after some very dubious VAR decisions the problem that Forest highlighted has become a reality. Thats on the PGMOL. Its amateurism at best. The system is not fit for purpose

Here’s the issue. I don’t think there’s any conspiracies or cheating etc. The reason why people go to that thought is because they think that ‘it can’t be that the Refs are that stupid there must be something more’. Well there isn’t anything more, there isn’t any cheating or conspiracy, the Refs are just that stupid and terrible at their jobs and the FA & Prem league are being embarrassed by the PGMOL every week!!

So as a Wolves fan I can't referee Wolves games or West Brom games but I can referee a game between forest and Everton to either keep Wolves up or send West Brom down that sounds sensible

Turning a blind eye to corruption. .

Barcelona president has done the same thing on their social media the day after Forest did!