8 checks w/ disadvantage? ALL OVER 16??? Yeah no, should've pulled them aside immediately and called them out on their BS

@Kylesico912x

3 жыл бұрын

Technically it's only 4. Cavalier's have a animal handling check at advantage if they are riding. Born to Ride, assuming these were checks to keep on the horse. However, even then 4 disadvantaged checks made little sense based on the odds.

Jesus, there's no doubt he's cheating and has a REALLY creepy crush on the sorcerer OOC. Plus, lets face it, I'd probably kick him for swearing me out because, on principle, you should never have to deal with that, on top of the other toxicity he's been pulling on the DM here.

I'd talk to the Sorcerer to make sure Tiefling isn't making her feel uncomfortable with all his creepiness. If he is, boot him.

I actually created a program that lets me calculate the probability of things to see how likely they would be to occur, so I can use that to see how unlikely it would be if That Guy did the race legitimately. So according to OP, the person made 10 checks in total, 8 of which were at disadvantage. Because disadvantage involves using two dice and taking the lowest, that means he would have needed to get high on both the dice in that check. So he actually made a total of 18 dice rolls. Then according to OP, all dice got a 16 or higher. There is a 1 in 4 chance of a dice roll getting a 16 or higher, so we can simplify it down. Plugging the numbers in, we have 18 attempts at a 1 in 4 chance, with all 18 needing to succeed the 1 in 4 chance. The result is a number so low, my program cannot actually find the exact result. It operates by making 10,000 simulations when you run it and counting how many simulations would succeed, and 0 of them were able to produce that number. I ran the simulation several more times and still couldn't get a single positive result. Skipping the program I made and using math instead, we can calculate the chance with 0.25^18. This turns out as 1.45519152E-11. So less then a 1 in a billion chance.

@xionkuriyama5697

3 жыл бұрын

Goddamn this guy got greedy. If you're gonna cheat why set yourself up to get caught? Though my favorite thing will always be imagining some poor guy who just gets screwed by the Law of Large Numbers and legit rolls that and everyone thinks they're cheating lol.

@darkestccino5405

3 жыл бұрын

@@xionkuriyama5697 I doubt I'll ever find it again, but I remember there was one D&D horror story about that. Where the OP got I think 4 natural 100s in a row on Roll20's dice roller and was accused of hacking by the DM, so he got punished for it.

@Tirath

3 жыл бұрын

This is why public dice rolls are so important. That series of rolls was certainly "possible," but extremely unlikely. I hope someone was able to direct OP to a bot or medium that makes cheating a little harder. For the record, I do believe the player was cheating. It's just difficult to accuse someone of cheating without doing your due diligence and providing evidence. I myself once calculated the applied XP for a player in a living PTU server, as well as that of three other players with similar play times to find a fair benchmark. When compared to the recorded earned XP, I found a significant amount of of unaccountable* XP (2,000+), even after allowing a generous 500 XP to account for any that we may have failed to record. He had also applied much more than the players with similar session counts. He tried to claim my numbers were "off" (two other GMs checked them before we talked to the player), but did eventually admit to cheating and we remedied the discrepancy. Documentation matters, but I'd prefer to play in a game where I can trust the GM and my fellow players.

@jakeand9020

Жыл бұрын

@@Tirath Had a player get around that by using loaded dice. It was 2e so he actually had two sets, one for high rolls and one for low rolls (in 2e you often need to roll below a certain number to succeed.) He was also a rules lawyer, had all the books memorized and was constantly meta-gaming. It was kinda fun for a while, none of us actually took the game seriously (except him) so it was good for a laugh. I'd slightly change stats on creatures and modifiers or call for the wrong skill/stat check, just to mess with him so when he noticed he'd immediately pull out the book to make sure he could prove he was right and "correct my mistake." The last time we ever played with him he wanted to DM, so we let him, and pulled all the same shit. He lasted about two hours and never wanted to play with us again, either as DM or player.

Look, I’m proud of some of the characters I’ve created. Some I’ve formed a very deep connection to and I’ll always hold them dear to me. If I ever wrote a book I might consider incorporating them. But there’s a difference between being proud of the fun characters you’ve made and believing them to be all important. At the end of the day they’re just your ideas. Some of them may be very good or well thought out ideas but other people probably won’t share the same enthusiasm for them as you. Like to me, my characters are my babies. But just like with a real baby, you shouldn’t shove them in other people’s faces.

"If you don't let me do whatever I want, I don't want to play this campaign." "Ok then, later."

Ok, so Avrae is a discord dice bot that I'd recommend. I'd recommend talking to the sorcerer and tell her that you think this tiefling player has an unhealthy fixation on her, trying to convince her to leave the rest of the party is crossing a line. If she disagrees, then you can drop this because she wants it; but either way you've got to tell him that he's being obsessive in a creepy way. As for his hostile behavior, shouting, cursing and gaslighting, I would not tolerate that bad behavior. He can apologize and do better or he can leave the game.

@WyvernTheLost

2 жыл бұрын

There's also dice maiden but Avrae is def more popular

Ok, so I won't lie, I would have just kicked him after he started to get upset about the way a spell works and wanting the DM to let him pic whatever animal he wanted. But I do have to say that the DM letting the players roll real dice even though they are playing online, that is part of the problem, I use Roll20 (I know it gets a bad rep but if you have a good group then it works just fine) and it has a dice roller, and it sounded like he already had a great group, and that would have stopped that guy from cheating, and if he would have tried to roll real dice that would have stopped it

@Filippo739

3 жыл бұрын

Why does Roll20 have a bad reputation anyway?

@commanderelite

3 жыл бұрын

@@Filippo739 Its because its hard to find a truly good group on there, some people just think they can get away with crap that got them in trouble with groups irl

@XMaster340

2 жыл бұрын

@@Filippo739 Also Roll20 itself is crap. The UI looks and feels like it was made in 1998. Especially the paning and zooming is just infuriating to use.

@littlepeach2010

2 жыл бұрын

I roll real dice in our online games, but this was the DM's idea, as for 6 or 7 sessions the RNG on Discord refused to roll over 14, for my lv 19 Tiefling Barbarian, it started funny but wore very thin very quickly.

@WyvernTheLost

2 жыл бұрын

plus discord has dice bots you can add, and if you use dnd beyond it has a dice roller where everyone in the group can see the rolls. But yeah, rolling irl in an exclusively online campaign is a bad idea

Can I just say, whenever I hear that intro music on this channel, I can't help but imagine a dancing chorus line of rats in plague masks and hats with prop canes doing a softshoe dance?

@DemonAngelSakina

2 жыл бұрын

I now have this image in my head. Thanks. lol

Aye! My Boi, Crisp-Cross! 🐀

I would rather have a imperfect character than a perfect character

I think it really is all down to his obsession with his OCs and how they have to be exactly as he wants them, even if he has to bend the rules to make it happen. Imo this guy could be redeemable if talked to, he just has to realise he's part of the story, not the focus. If he can see that maybe he won't feel the need to cheat to succeed

@beastofthemount414

3 жыл бұрын

i really like to sit and tinker with builds and stuff for characters, but to me, the DM is the one that has final say if i can play it or not. I dont want to bend any rules for any reason what so ever.

@Michaeljack81sk

3 жыл бұрын

@@beastofthemount414 I agree, some people get way too attached though and I really sympathize. It's like the DM who wants to write a story rather than play a game, only from the perspective of a player. Also i think the idea that "You can be Anybody" in D&D has been pushed a little too hard to the point where some younger players feel they can be anything that they want and no-one else, not even the DM can say otherwise

Yep, that's a 'That Guy' alright. DM really should kick him, he's a problem player and it's only going to get worse.

@joeleek9976

3 жыл бұрын

I used to be that guy. He needs to watch some youtube dnd. Not critical role...we don't want to foster expectations to thay degree. Bacon Battalion rpg channel used to show sessions run by Guy from how to be a great gm. His players were of various skill levels.

@joeleek9976

3 жыл бұрын

That's what helped me pull my head out...at any rate.

"He hated the feywild" "Of course he does" Y'know, it's one of the realms I would consider rightful to not like. The place is not the kind of place I'd want to spend a lot of time, tbh.

I’m a new DM and we almost had a horror story tonight. I have the classic edgy rogue dark past in the party and recently she got in a bit of trouble an accidentally killed people (which was partially my fault since I didn’t tell them about non lethal damage and they are a new player) The rest of the party is good aligned and got upset when they found out. The fighter kept asking why and the rogue was cursing everyone out (in character lol) rather than complying. It reached a point where we had to hop OOC to ask the rogue player how they’d feel if their character died. We talked about letting our characters be vulnerable with each other and were able to somewhat resolve the scene, or at least hold off on the conversation until the party has more information. Very proud of my players tonight, lots of backstory stuff came up, and PC’s learned a lot about each other. We also talked to the rogue player about potentially making a back-up character in case thing’s don’t work out with this current character. :)

The teifling complaining about not being able to pick whatever he wants to summon honestly comes off to me as he wanted to summon some oped stuff and just wreck encounters.

The opening story. WEW! Only response to that is to go, "tl;dr"

That guy unfortunately has multiple issues, which in combination are probably not solvable: 1. cheating, 2. main character syndrome, 3. living out his real life crush on the only gamer girl by obsessively romancing her characters in game 4. Being an immature brat who can't take DM rulings and resorts to yelling and threats to leave the game if he doesn't get what he wants. Number 1 alone would probably be easily solvable by just using a dice rolling program (without accusing him and discussing prior cheating, calling such players out rarely ends well, but they might just roll with it if you quietly remove everyone's opportunity to cheat) Number 2 can be resolved with mature players by just having a good talk and by the DM trying to create more scenes that specifically play to other characters (either through their special abilities or their backstory), but can likely not be resolved with a self centered person who also suffers from problem number 4 Number 3 doesn't even have to be a problem as long as the player knows it's just meaningless ingame fun and the girl player doesn't mind (I mean, someone having a crush on you can be flattering and fun, as long as he doesn't stalk you in real life), but with an immature player like that it is a ticking time bomb, because such people do have a tendency to both take in game rejection poorly and take in game success in romancing the character as encouragement to press the romance issue out of game, again reacting poorly to rejection. Number 4 is really the worst problem of all. There is only one solution: Put your foot down, tell him he has to cut out his crap and that yelling at the DM over the game and not accepting rulings even after the issue has been discussed and compromises have been offered is unacceptable. If he can't cope with that and behave, he has to leave.

Why does I get a feeling the Circle of the Shepard Druid would just summon Pixes and Polymorph into T-Rex

@MrNickPresley

3 жыл бұрын

Why pixies? Just summon a small pack of raptors and go with bear totem. You’ll be throwing handfuls of dice at enemies every turn. ..of course, that requires a series of extremely high rolls to get started on that, since what you summon is random iirc.

@Artemisthemp

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrNickPresley One tactic many players know

going by rolls to determine cheating is difficult as your choose from a small sample of rolls. for example in the first game of my current campaign I had a small tournament for the plays to ease them in and get everything rolling. there was a bit of sparing and I rolled a 20 for the NPC's in combat at least 3 times that session flooring the PCs. statistics needs thousands or more for it to even out properly.

For the dm dealing with the tiefling you did nothing wrong and honestly giving him a list instead of him picking whatever is fair. Sounds like he could and would of picked something broken or nasty and you don't want that. He acted like a child and you did not owe him any apology.

Playing with no proof of anyone's rolls? o.o I could never play like that, we've all seen those people who roll, and the very second it stops they pick up their dice and *tell* you the "result", I won't even put up with that kinda thing in that game, even from players I've known for years and are never known to be cheaters. Even as a DM I roll infront of the players, otherwise it'd look bloody dodgy that time I rolled two critical hits on the high AC fighter when I had disadvantage (that's 4 20s in a row).

'How many groups have a rules lawyer who's actually helpful?' Well, most groups not comprised of assholes do.

Wow, I get the feeling this guys is just to waiting to go off.

Oh he got pissed because he wanted to cheat BIG TIME with that druid. Lord knows what game-breaking nonsense would have turned up if the player had gotten what they'd wanted.

@shadowscall7758

2 жыл бұрын

Summoning 8 pixies and then using polymorph to turn the entire party into T-Rexes, summoning 8 constrictor snakes to all constrict the same target, summoning pixies to polymorph everyone into giant apes (because apes have hands and can still use weapons), etc

What the heck is OC? I've heard of "original character" used by fanfiction witers, but I've never heard of that term being applied to TTRPG characters.

@mikaneko

3 жыл бұрын

As I understand it, I'm pretty sure it's the same thing as a PC, I don't know why he specifies it as something different. Even though yeah I usually see "OC" referred to characters in self insert fanfics and stuff.

"Nilbog! It's Goblin spelled backwards!"

i would forget the cheating as long as everyone has fun. now Cussing the DM because he wanna do whatever he wants. is more than enough to talk with the other player, tell them about the behavior, and explains what caused the meltdown. i dont recomend setting him up, but. i think he is the kinda prone to burst of anger, so i wouldnt be surprised if you could catch him on the spot saying "he failed, and something happen to your oc" which doesnt even have to be a bad thing. example. tiefling fighter find a magical sword, he takes times to attuned, give me a charisma check, fails? you hear the echoes of dozens of souls in suffering, you awake in cold sweat, and fear. - then imply something might be going on with the sword if he likes the sword. have it destroy [with the chance or being repairable] if he dislike the sword and drop it somewhere. tell him, he will dream of the sword until he destroy it both solution are to -release the entraped souls- and the sword can be repair to keep the magical properties. if he get angry, you can stay silent, and point out that you dont feel comfortable DMing for him anymore.

That opening, Woodchuck, why are you so salty?

You should get a dice bot, do not take any input from him about, or just kick the cheater

I've heard this one before. It's crazy.

“I’m not sure if there’s something else I should have done here..” Kick him. Dude was cheating on his rolls and literally throwing a tantrum about not being able to do whatever he wants. He’s toxic as all hell, and needs to take his bullshit elsewhere.

Oh man, a guy in my last roll 20 session did his rolls with physical die (no camera so we only had his word). 20s nearly every time. No one but me seemed to care. Needless to say I left that game soon after that guy showed up.

Concerning the story... Let's set full-on dismissal aside for a moment. OP more-or-less handled the situation well; he told tiefling how a thing was going to work and stuck to it. If tiefling isn't mature enough to adjust, that's his problem. To all the DMs out there, always tell your players how things work in your games and be firm in your decisions, ESPECIALLY if you suspect someone of cheating. Never be afraid to tell players "No" and never let a player give you guff over it. If they can't accept that, it's on them, and it's significantly easier for DMs to find new players than the other way around.

@AuntLoopy123

3 жыл бұрын

So, I was playing in a game with my brother as the DM, and my mage got hit with Magic Missile (early in the campaign, so this was the first time). I reacted with Shield, and he responded that if I couldn't see him aiming at me, in the first place, I couldn't do it. I was confused, because I forgot which mini was mine, and though, "But I can see him?" When reminded which mini was mine (we just borrowed from his collection), I saw that the angles did make it clear that I was being shot in the back, so it would take me by surprise. I said, "OK." I was only arguing angles, not the judgement, itself. Now, I am Doing a game, as well (we alternate), and I looked up that spell, as well as Counterspell. Counterspell says that you must see the target casting the spell. However, Shield says no such thing, and it specifically says that the trigger is actually being HIT by an attack (Magic Missile or otherwise). So, at our next session, I plan to tell him. "Your game, your rules. My game, my rules, and in my game, we will go with RAW, that says that Shield does NOT require that the caster see the attack." I will show him both Shield and Counterspell, to drive home the point. Why am I making a deal of it? Because he's playing a wizard, so he'll NEED that information, to effectively cast spells. I'd hate to have him lose a reaction cast, just because his little marker has a "blinded" marker on it, or something like that. Yeah, it doesn't make sense in "real life," to react after being hit, and actually block the hit, but it's rules as written, and I'm OK with that. Meanwhile, if he chooses to continue the idea that "you have to see your attacker to cast Shield," in his game, I am OK with that, too, because it's his game, his rules. He's doing it for verisimilitude, not to be cruel to me. In short: DM has final say about the rules as played in his game. Period. The ONLY exception to this is if you hired him specifically to play by YOUR rules, and he decides to change them. A paid employee does what his employer says. Again, period. Normally, you can give feedback and even pushback, but you do NOT swear at him, and give ultimatums! Pushback should be limited and gentle. "I don't think that's what the rules are, as written," is fine. "I think you made a different call in a similar situation two weeks ago," is also fine. But "that's not faaaaair!" is not fine. Also, even if RAW is otherwise, or he made a different call two weeks ago, he's making a call NOW, and that is literally his job. If he's making the call differently now, he has his reasons. A good DM is consistent, and if he is consistently inconsistent, then that is a bigger problem about whether or not he favored you on this particular judgement. If his reasons for making different calls are good (such as, "I read the rules again," or "I saw this house rule in a professional game, and thought I'd give it a try," or "I gave this some serious consideration over the last week,"), then do NOT argue further. If his reasons are not good (such as "Hahaha! I love pulling a fast one on you!" or "I couldn't let my girlfriend be hurt!"), then don't argue further during the session, and consider the underlying issue causing him to make bad judgement calls. Then, choose your actions moving forward, accordingly. Either you choose to live with it, or you choose to leave. But you still don't swear at him about it. And if he's a paid DM, hired specifically so you can rely on him to follow your own rules, and he's being a tool about it, because of some stupid reason ("I must be chivalrous to the attractive maiden!" or, "But my STOOOOOORRRYYYYYYY!"), then your option is to tell him to abide by your rules, as per your employment agreement, or terminate the employment. Again, understanding that the problem is not that particular judgement, but the underlying issue that he does not recognize that you hired him, specifically for a reason, and he's going against that reason. If I had the resources, I'd hire Matt Mercer, and the whole cast of Critical Role, and I'd STILL tell them, "My rules: If I need a break, at any time, we break, even in the middle of battle, because I don't want to miss stuff, just because my body has issues. I'm paying for the privilege. If we have to call it a session in the middle of battle, I have Plastitak, to stick all the minis in place! Also, no PvP, no romance, and please keep swearing to a minimum. Sam, I love you. Please play as if your children were present. Also, I don't want to have to roll to see if Raise Dead works. I want that spell RAW. Otherwise, standard Critical Role house rules are fine with me. I respect the DM's authority." Please note: In my opinion, hiring a DM to give your character special favoritism treatment (Anything above a 15 counts as a critical success for YOU!) is ONLY acceptable, if you also hired ALL the other players to play with you, specifically so you could enjoy the privilege of playing your own personal fantasy, where you are the over-powered main character, and they are supporting actors, there just to make you look better. IF they are also paying the DM, then they get equal treatment as you, including buy-in on the house rules. If they are playing for free, because you invited them, then they get equal treatment as you, except they don't get to make house rules. They may suggest them, but they didn't pay for the privilege of enforcing them. That is my opinion about DMs, paid and otherwise.

@MrCrunchytime

3 жыл бұрын

@@AuntLoopy123 I'm going to counter the paid DM point a bit. If you pay a DM to run a game for you, you're also paying for his interpretations, so in that regard you kind of have to follow his rulings, though you still dictate the overall house rules. However, if the paid DM isn't abiding your house rules or things just aren't working out, then you are free to terminate the contract and seek a new DM. Also, the "Overpowered Main Character" scenario nearly always busts early. Such games tend to be fun only for the one player who's the main character.

This guy seems comes off as being lightly manipulative outside of being a cheater, thankfully he’s not as bad as the Bruce from the Bruce stories!

The problem with probability is that rolls going in one direction despite the odds can happen, just getting a dice bot would've solved this issue. Of course the teifling is obviously into the girl that invited him, also if she doesn't ask for help don't think posting negatively will be helping her (don't assume she's a 'damsel in distress' for you to save). The summon spell is an issue though, depending on party size it could go from helping in combat to slowing combat to a crawl, I'd ban the spell personally and just tell players to check in with me before getting their hopes up for any character build. Lastly immediately upon swearing or yelling tell him to knock it off or leave the game, in front of the player who invited him to make sure he doesn't make a scene (or justifies why he was kicked, either way works).

Wave bye bye to cheater.

??? Didn't i already watch this video by you? In that jojo video... wait no sorry that was from crows.

@Masternuckable

3 жыл бұрын

Crows?

@flameloude

3 жыл бұрын

@@Masternuckable another d&d horror story youtuber. Believe crow pearch was the channel

@Masternuckable

3 жыл бұрын

@@flameloude ah gotcha, thanks!

Unless you're running a player thru a solo campaign you should never cater to the whims of a single player above that of the group. "The enjoyment of the many outweigh the enjoyment of the few- or the one."

My dm just killed one player character for the 3rd time in a row over nothing then seconds after the 3rd death killed another after he failed a single dex save against the thing that killed the other player. One player left the game and the rest of us are upset to say the least.

Playing online dnd without a dice bot. That's just *asking* for players to cheat on their rolls.

Creepy Mc Stalker is never good.

I wouldn't call having an actual character of yours ( Be it for art, stories, or something else ) be your DnD PC being a problem. It's main character syndrome that's the problem. I personally use my own OCs for DnD, why? Because they're.. mine. I already know how they act, how they think, and oftentimes, already have art for them. I don't do the whole stealing other people's art thing for their PCs, I want to use art that's mine, that I either made, was gifted to me, or that I commissioned, and so far.. My guy just kinda hangs out at the back. He's there, he interacts with things, but he's more or less just happy to follow everyone else's lead. You can have main character syndrome and be using an OC, sure, but I wouldn't ever call it being the same thing, because it really isn't.

OP proves stupid people should not DM

Hey Crispy, do you take personal horror stories? 🤔

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