If someone tells you that your game needs to be like CR, you walk away from them. Your game should be like your game, not like someone else's.

@dwaynejackson551

2 ай бұрын

Doesn't Matt Mercer even say that at times?

@SageTigerStar

2 ай бұрын

@@dwaynejackson551 yeah, he even gave a response on reddit when someone asked how to combat the Matt Mercer effect. He talks about how they should embrace creativity and not try to copy him and his group, as they have years of experience as actors, and he himself over 20 years of DM experience. It's a pretty nice address to the issue, it's just unfortunate so many eyes won't see it.

@7thsealord888

2 ай бұрын

Honestly, feels like if I'm to set up a game with new Players now, the first things out of my mouth should probably be, "I am NOT Matt Mercer, and this is NOT Critical Role."

@thedungeondelver

2 ай бұрын

Your game should be an actual game and not a rehearsed TV show at any rate.

@davidtherwhanger6795

2 ай бұрын

Amen to that. And I would also add that any time you hear anyone say their game is or your game isn't "Real D&D" you need to go or they do.

"This isn't Critical Role, I'm not Matt Mercer, and you're not Sam Riegel," is something I had to say every zero session with new players at the height of the show's popularity. Didn't stop some folks tho...

@richardtorruellas2370

Ай бұрын

Be honest with me, how many said "But I'm like Sam Riegel!" in protest? I have to know.

@jont3295

Ай бұрын

It's rare, but every now and then we have the perfect response on our tongues IN THE MOMENT. At a game store about a year ago, some rando watches our game for 15 minutes or so, then says, "Well you're no Matt Mercer" At which point I said, "But you know what you have in common? You're not playing with either of us. Move along, skippy."

@Nesseight

Ай бұрын

Can I still roll a high charisma bard tho bro? I have certain fantasies that I need to entertain with your NPC's. You don't even need funny voices, just some soft moans. You know, normal session zero inquiries.

The tried and tested response to "Your game should be like Critical Role!" should always be "If you want me to DM like Matt Mercer then you should play and voice your character like Travis Willingham or Laura Bailey!".

@dracomancer28

2 ай бұрын

The problem is they othen think they do, so that will rarely work

@kurisu7885

2 ай бұрын

I know I couldn't, but it doesn't stop me from trying to voice act a little in sessions to try and work on it.

@TheFuriousScribbles

2 ай бұрын

That's fair, though I feel like that kind of interaction is rare. Even my players that are Critical Role fans get that I am neither a professional voice actor or published fantasy writer and are able to temper their expectations.

I legit feel bad for Critical Role. I'm sure when when they started the series they just wanted to entertain and have fun. However, more and more horror stories comes out trying to be just like then. Even Matt has a phrase that is named after him. Can't imagine how they feel about that and is probably why they release homebrew books as well.

@kuramaai9486

2 ай бұрын

Same, horror stories about critical role is what keeps me from being a fan or even watching critical role, I hear good things about critical role but i just have no interest to even start watching

@Don_Francisco124

2 ай бұрын

@kuramaai9486 lmao, same I just watch the animated series and that's it.

@flameknightdragon

Ай бұрын

@@kuramaai9486 and honestly it has gotten worse since c3. since a lot of older fans stopped watching and liking the show. those that remain started acting even more nuts. like on the main sub reddit if you point out that the characters are facials and not real living people. they will report you as a suicidal person.

@woodlefoof2

Ай бұрын

@@flameknightdragon… what?

the first poster’s username 💀💀💀

@Metal_Horror

2 ай бұрын

And Doge reads it so casually and pronounced it kinda funny. Something tells me he doesn't know what it is...

@YgoS.S.O

2 ай бұрын

@@Metal_Horror i think he's just used to it at this point, redditors have unhinged names

@travis7746

2 ай бұрын

@@Metal_Horror If I recall correctly, Doge has mentioned being a gay man. On top of that, Doge seems very autistic (not an insult, I too am autistic). I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t even thinking when he read it lol

@Wesley_Youre_a_Rabbit

2 ай бұрын

I almost spit my drink and had to rewind when he said that 😆 because I certainly didn’t just hear that

@buttondefine4988

Ай бұрын

I am glad I am not the only one who noticed. I had to pause for a moment just to make sure I heard him correctly...

As messed up as the one armed bard story is, I could see how the rest of the parry would find that character constantly having breakdowns annoying

@user-ps7ok8dt6y

2 ай бұрын

That's the feeling I got too, maybe he was making it all about himself

@EternaMidnight

2 ай бұрын

@@user-ps7ok8dt6y Yep. Especially in a party of evil-ish characters that don't seem that keen on getting emotional over in game happenings

@EnraiChannel

2 ай бұрын

Overall weird story, but the OP bringing up how their character did self harm was out of pocket.

@TheFuriousScribbles

2 ай бұрын

That might be so, though a more constructive way of handling that would be to discuss it above table.

@Eddman368

Ай бұрын

You hit it on the head it feels like their is another side to this that’s been omitted

When i first started playing dnd i watched Critical Role to get a sense of the game. Realizing almost immediately that while i love their show, i would play completely different from them. Its a shame people get lost in the glamour

@littlegiantj8761

2 ай бұрын

I listened when I wanted up my GM game. You can learn plenth paying attention to Mercer.

@richardtorruellas2370

Ай бұрын

@@littlegiantj8761 That's the thing though. You actually can't if you've been paying attention. If you bother reading the setting, seeing how they came to the conclusions they did and just pay attention to your DM's and fellow players as well as others you honestly would only be able to learn from Matt if you were a total noob in every way. People like me who had been playing longer than he has despite being younger can't learn a thing from him. Simply because we understood how to ask ourselves one important question at every step of design, "Why is this in my game?".

@littlegiantj8761

Ай бұрын

@@richardtorruellas2370news flash, bud...I was a noob back then. Get off your high horse.

@bigboybastard7162

Ай бұрын

​@richardtorruellas2370 you can still learn from him. While I don't think every game should be CR, Matt mercer is without a doubt an excellent dm. He's very good at giving his world life and being able to improv pretty well. The problem is from people learning from him is that they can't understand that fact that he's making a show. The way he plays is going to be very different from how a normal group of nerd play their campaign.

I have never heard anyone fully pronounce Matt Mercer's name. The "Matthew Mercer effect" doesnt have the same punch, but boy does it have a punch.

2nd story seems like there's more than what Op typed.

That 2nd story is definitely missing a lot of context.

I really feel for Matt Mercer when I hear these stories. He's made it clear many times that he's just playing D&D his own way and that there's no right or wrong way but some people just won't listen

... the second story baffles me. I can't understand what reason the DM and players would have to do this in or out of character. Like seriously WTF? What a bunch of assholes.

@davidtherwhanger6795

2 ай бұрын

It's either we are only getting one side of the story, which is entirely possible; or the rest of the group are just @ssholes. Honestly it could go both ways. OP could be exaggerating how bad it really was and omitting all the bad things OP did in order to paint themselves as the victim and gain sympathy. But on the other hand there are groups like this out there that do this very thing, and enjoy doing it. So I don't know either based solely on this one session as it was told to us.

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 It seems pretty clear to me that the group is out to get him, now whether they had good reason to do that we'll never know. Either way OP should just leave like Doge said, there isn't much dialogue after things get to this point.

@user-ps7ok8dt6y

2 ай бұрын

It's possible OP is just insufferable with his "character development" and they'd had enough of it

@tevildech1122

2 ай бұрын

@@user-ps7ok8dt6y Lowkey what Id opt for "acted out panic attacks and selfharm" sounds more like a self centered therapy session witzh them as proclaimed main character

@user-ps7ok8dt6y

2 ай бұрын

@@tevildech1122 I'd sooner join a party full of edgelord murderhobos than play with someone doing that!

I’ve been DMing since 2013 and have always preferred theatrical DMing (sound effects, voices, etc) and when I found out about the Mat Mercer affect years later I thought it was a myth until I started reading Reddit

Matt Mercer is the Bob Ross of tabletop games. They know what they are doing, are entertaining to watch, but if you try using their shows as a tutorial, you are setting yourself up for failure.

@dacksonflux

Ай бұрын

I don't completely agree with comparing Mercer to Ross. Ross' show taught me how to paint mountains. His advice actually does work. After all, he was just a dude and some paint. Yes there were cameras but there was no movie magic. Meanwhile Critical Roll has a full production team behind the scenes that you don't see. You literally can't be replicate CR unless you have the same resources. They aren't even playing live. They have a basic script and rehearsals.

Overzealous CR fan that's never played a game of D&D in their life coming into a game with expectations that can't possibly be met becoming disappointed and difficult the second it DOESN'T match up to the idea in their head? SHOCKER.

I hate the Mercer effect so much. Nothing against critical role.

@Djanck000

2 ай бұрын

I admire voice acting a lot, but it is a talent i don't have. Been playing TTPRGs since the mid 90s though. The first time i met someone saying the only way of are RPying is by doing voices was the same day i discovered CR was a thing.

@Derginator

2 ай бұрын

@@Djanck000I’m starting to DM and exist in a in between place on voices. I do voices, they’re terrible. I encourage players to do them. Got good feedback so far. I think it’s really about understanding I don’t have a production team.

@Djanck000

2 ай бұрын

@@Derginator If you understand that doing voices is completely optional and doesn't make your game better or worse, you're fine. Knowing voice acting as a rule for RPying was never a thing before CR is very important.

@TheFuriousScribbles

2 ай бұрын

I'm not really a fan of Critical Role. It is not and likely will never be my thing. That said, I think the Matt Mercer Effect isn't entirely bad. I feel like Critical Role ended up normalizing a more considerate style of playing the game.

@flameknightdragon

Ай бұрын

@@TheFuriousScribbles it also normalized bratty behaver and expectations that the world will bend to what even the player demand.

People thinking Critical Role style RP is the ONLY role play style allowed is becoming very common and speaking against it is a VERY unpopular thing to do. Description based RP is reason for "RPG Horror Stories" nowadays. I've seen quite a few posts where people complain others are not voice acting or that their stories don't have "x" or "y" element present in these shows. They still did more for the TTRPGs community than we can begin to describe, but this side of the story is pretty stupid.

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm glad this channel is pointing out the issues with that sort of thinking.

lol “Matter Mercer took acting lessons” it baffles me how many people don’t know that he and the other cast are professional actors

@richardtorruellas2370

Ай бұрын

It baffles me how people don't understand Matt was and still is a mediocre gamemaster and that's why he merged his acting skill with his ability to run games. Not even design, don't get me started on his ineptitude at design. I'm talking about the sheer amount of hard work he's had to put into getting to the level he's at today which is truly only mediocre, which is why he merged the two skill sets, it gives an air of a higher aptitude because it does improve things but that's only in his case, that stuff won't work for everyone. The dude is human and not highly talented like everyone believes, it actually does him a disservice when you claim he is because my dad knew him when he was still around and his whole life was nothing but pure effort. He's like the Rock Lee of the real world. It's his understanding of this that makes him a good teacher.

@LordRobaZe

Ай бұрын

@@richardtorruellas2370 that was a whole lot of blah

1:00 I like how you just read "Rock Hard Clitoris" so casually.

@willlauzon3744

Ай бұрын

He just assumes most DND players don't know what that is anyway....

Ask some, "If old tea is used tea, what is old ink?" When they say " used ink," it sounds like "You stink." You got yourself!

To the last OP, you're not crazy. Different people enjoy different things and that's OK. But don't assume that everyone else is enjoying themselves just because they're still there, you're not enjoying yourself and you're still there...

Yes, Wildemount has a source book for 5th edition. Honestly, it's the standard for world guides. The amount of info in the Wildemount book overshadows neary all the other 5e world books, save for Eberron.

@easiestcc6451

2 ай бұрын

He might also be talking about the Tal'Dorei book

@solosynapse

2 ай бұрын

Eberron was also created as a homebrew setting by a fan of the game, don't forget.

@littlegiantj8761

2 ай бұрын

@@solosynapse Who happened to be related to one of the staff of WOTC, and put it in a contest. Don't forget that part. Eberron do be my favorite setting though.

In that story about the party attacking the bard, perhaps they were playing out getting mind controlled.

Always nice to visit this doge after a long day of work ^^ I'll be knitting while listening to your stories!

Did a Star Wars rp, ended up being the best I’ve ever been in, but after episode 10 the original DM just vanished, we never knew what happened to him, and the campaign ended after 75 episodes. One of the other players took over and we insisted on his original PC being a part of the campaign and he did until the end.

I wonder if story 2 might be different expectations similar to the last story? The GM and the rest of the party wanted blood, gore, violence and no regrets while OP was role-playing panic attacks, self harm and ptsd. Doesn't excuse how OP was treated but might explain it

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I also got the sense that we don't have the full story.

@Michaeljack81sk

2 ай бұрын

@@rb98769 Yeah, it really feels that way. This kind of crap doesn't usually come out of nowhere

@tevildech1122

2 ай бұрын

Thats what Im thinking, we are probably missing a lot of context given that I can totally see the others feel like its weird that OP is turning this DND session into his personal Therapy session

"I was left with a half useless character." More like half a useless character

@gloopy-error35

28 күн бұрын

Right? Dude is deliberately playing a character that is nothing but dead weight with all the depressed self harm and PTSD antics and then gets mad when he's disposed of lmao

Story 1: Gratuitous PvP is never fun for all involved. If the DM and other players had some beef with OP, they should have addressed it above board and out of character. Story 2: Trolls gonna troll. Once it became evident that the troll in this story wasn't going to mend his ways anytime soon, leaving was the best play. Story 3: That was a pretty cool story! A horror-to-glory story; best kind. Story 4: "Baby sacrifice?" o_O;

When I see CR in this hobby, I read "challenge rating".

Yes, Matt Mercer DID take acting lessons, because he is a LITERAL voice actor for a bunch of anime lime Attack on Titan, and he voiced Leon Kennedy in Resident Evil 6

I think I would really dislike being in a campaign like critical role. The expectations on me for having to act and role play is way too much.

1st Story: Not knowing what DnD is? Sounds more like this DM forgot what DnD is. 2nd Story: WTF and also OP should leave this game. It all sounds like Targeting op there. 3rd Story: Oh that guy's, why do they have to ruin everything. Just because nothing is up to their standards I see. And Mark here he sounds like one bad piece of work too. To go to lengths like that to ruin a game is just wow. 4th Story: Best great DM Origin Story Ever. Glad OP's putting more good into DnD to help counter DM's like Bad DM. Last Story: WTF was that game there's so many problems there. OP is not crazy, glad he found a better game.

It's not really that Westmarsh Servers are full of drama. In fact, I feel like the people into that old-school revivalist playstyle are older and more mature on average I think it's that D&D is fundamentally about interacting with people, and westmarsh servers have larger amounts of people than is typical in a D&D game. And it's like, in a large enough group of people, you will eventually run into someone immature, petty, or vindictive.

Westmarch servers have a habit of drawing in lots of players, and it just seems a lot of those coming in aren't being screened properly, so you end up with creeps coming in. And then you have those situations where the creep has friends on the admin teams, which only makes things worse. They know how to butter up or befriend the right people, so they can then do whatever they want without fear of punishment. In a more controlled setting, such people would be quickly tossed out or at least quickly punished for infractions.

The bard story gave the player a lot of potential for character development. If it's a so called "Ruthless" game, the other players definitely fulfilled their RP conditions. Buddy should've just turned his bard into Guts.

@kayynnnn

Ай бұрын

Really, for someone who talked so much about "character development", it's weird that he proceded to call his PC useless once went through a life-changing event like losing one arm.

ALL HAIL THE ALGORITHM DRAGON

Third Story: Another layer of Bad DM being a bad DM is the way that OP describes him "forcing" his daughter to play when she clearly doesn't want to. That tells me that this is a guy trying to force his hobbies onto his kid, which sucks. Guarantee he was more angry about his daughter's character dying in the dragon fight than anything, because it probably made her want to play the game less. Willing to bet he killed her characters all the time.

Yeah I'm the same I mean I like CR to a minor extent (specifically the first campaign as it felt like a bunch of friends getting together to play DnD, while the 2nd & 3rd campaigns felt more like a live show), but I never try to emulate Mercer, I try to keep to my own style (only thing I ever use from Mercer is the "How Do You Want to Do This?") Then again I'm kind of a noob to TTRPGs (I'm currently running a Witcher campaign which has been going on for almost a year now)

Ziggy is indeed wise - and we have another thing in common (besides our good looks) we like string.

Due to my own horror stories, I am a strictly NO PVP player. anybody attacks me in character, I refuse to go on with the game unless THEY get kicked out, and anybody who doesn't vociferously side with me gets ghosted.

@flameknightdragon

Ай бұрын

and sadly with critical role now having PvP moments and players siding with the person that started it. pvp will get pushed more.

@Svartalf14

Ай бұрын

@@flameknightdragon Yeah, but in CR it's scripted drama, not so in real games

yes! a string. Meow lol I love that voice.

I gave up on West Marches games. They all seem to have people like and mods/admins that enable them. There's always at least one mod/admin that"s on a power trip who loves yanking players around because they can.

The thing People forget is that people on critical role are using DND to perform a story in front of a live audience to earn a living. Their is no quicker way to kill someone's passion in a hobby than to treat it like a profession, especially if you are not getting paid for it. A hobby is fun because you can do it on your own time and at your own pace and can stop the moment it losses your interest. On the other hand, a job is demanding and exhausting, so even if you love your job you can easily grow to hate it from the burnout. You can't even leave as easily as a hobby because of the risks unemployment has to anyone with a lack of emergency funds.

My response to “DM like Matt Mercer!” Is “pay me like him, then.” All respect to Mercer, but it’s a production. It’s a show at this point.

Second story is literally just “look who fell asleep first,PRANK EM JOHN”

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

Bro was the first person to fall asleep at the edgelord sleepover, rookie mistake.

More often than not, I feel like Critical Role was a mistake. It makes people's expectations too high and narrows creativity. *If I want CR, I'd watch CR!*

"This isn't Critical Role. This isn't even D&D... This is LOTFP... If you want to play like CR, go play CR..."

Okay, wtf was wrong with the DM and the other players in the second story? Why would anyone think that is okay?

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

They wanted OP to quit, I think. It's messed up, but I'd really like to know what was going on behind the scenes.

the last story is so weird to me, "am I insane" I mean, no, but the way you wrote the entire story making yourself look good while making the others look like murder hobos its clear you already knew that :I I think sometimes a group just doesnt match with everyone, doesnt mean anyone is in the wrong. just means like Doge said, it isnt for you

I’m not sure about that bard rib cage story. There wasn’t even an ending, it just kind of stopped. I think something is being left out.

Not enough people realise that shows like Dimension 20 and Critical Role are essentially the WWE of DnD. They’re both shows made to entertain an audience first and DnD games second in the same way that WWE is a show made to entertain an audience first and wrestling second. Both can be pretty great and perfectly enjoyable in their own right but they’re not entirely the exact same things.

Oh, Luna. To have a bad DM for you first D&D games, yikes. The turn around was beautiful though.

People aren't ready to talk about Critcal role and its role in the slopification of DnD

Last one: not including a backstory into a campaign is fairly common for people that run Adventrues League, organized play, or modules exclusively. This is not a red flag so much as a purple shirt; you like it or you do not. That is just style. The game seemed to be a beer and prezles game where they were not taking anything seriously. Not a horror story anymore than someone showing up at the wrong place or time for a game or something like that.

CR fans are probably the worst thing to ever happen to DnD

ROLL FOR INITIATIVE!!

Thats the Critical Role effect not the Matter Mercer effect. From my own experience its simply because they don't understand Critical Role is JUST a setting and not that important one at that. My real problem is the person in question couldn't keep his game straight resorting to being a nasty idiot instead. A bit of common sense and recognising the fact he isn't a kindergartener any more would have helped. Now to watch this video.

For the cats!

I like critical roll too. Even watch vox machina on Amazon. But I would never go into a game expecting it to be exactly like how they play their games. For starters, I'm no voice actor. I plan on doing a silly Mikey voice for my turtle monk I plan on rolling out next time I get the chance to, but it's all just for fun and you ruin ot by expecting people to dm or play exactly like your favorite d&d let's play...

CR is improv. It's a professional story with many writers played by professional voice and improv actors. That what it is. Are they playing DnD? Sure, professionally.

If i had to play with a character who is constantly whining and having panic attacks "cuz mah ptsd bro", id prolly cut off an arm or two as well. Nothing against those who suffer from it at all, but goddamn would that be annoying as hell to listen to while you're trying to have fun playing a game. That sounds like the definition of the edgy, emo, 'look how tragic i am and weep for me'' character.

I don’t like Matt Mercer being associated with drama he has nothing to do with. That being said, that DM had a bad case of “Not the time or place”. He could have just set up an entire separate campaign with CR rules without having to derail his whole campaign. I mean I get it. Sometimes I’d force recent movie themes into sessions. But your players and their good time come first!

FIRST! LOVE THE VIDEOS!!!!

I have never seen Critical Roll and nothing I've head about it from the community makes me want to. TBH, I've never felt much of a need to watch other people play DnD

BTW, what is Westmarch? yes, I live under a rock.

@StSubZero

Ай бұрын

A Westmarch is effectively a single setting run by multiple DMs who run various one-shots with a concurrent story in said setting. Players can join a session if they desire or are available. Players can join in with a character into the shot depending on their level to avoid overshadowing. Effectively, it's like trying to make an MMORPG out of a TTRPG.

critical role is to DnD what corntub is to fornication.

I was in a discord PbP D&D server and in the general chat we started to talk about what type of games we run. I mentioned that I run a game for kids (up to early teens at the time) and our game didn't get into the whole sedative/sexual gender identity aspect so as not to confuse children and to be parent friendly (also legal issues). Due to this, I was basically called all sorts of horrible names and chased out of the group. It was disgusting and just showed me what these people (the people in this particular discord group not D&D players in general) really wanted to push, especially on kids.

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

When it comes to these online groups you really need to gauge where people stand on these issues because there is a lot of abrasive debates going on out there and everyone gets very passionate about them. I don't have the energy for these things and I'm mostly disengaged from these discussions, so I don't mind people defending one thing or the other. But overall it's good to know what the group is like so that you don't end up stepping on anyone's toes while participating.

@EnraiChannel

2 ай бұрын

@@starkillerBASED Jumping to conclusions are we?

Just like in most forms of entertainment, remakes are basically pointless. I love Critical Role and occasionally I will sprinkle in the occasional reference. Through dimensional portal shenanigans my players recently found themselves briefly in Sir Terry Pratchett's Discworld, but reenacting entire scenes, plots and scenarios from my favorite media? Isn't it typically a pale imitation and removing one of D&D's biggest strengths if you already know the outcome? About the only remake I find that has a reason to exist are video game remakes as they typically offer better graphics and additional content while using modern hardware so it does not require you to dig up your antiquated electronics to play an old favorite game.

DTT is here

Morning Doge ☕️

Mercerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

I never watched nor cared for CR as im not really into Pathfinder, 5e D&D or anything that doesn't invoke the same feelings that TSR era games did. Plus I like my medieval fantasy to be authentic.

Prise the algorythm

First story: DM was probably thirsty for the one player who liked CR, and also needs a good backhand

I never got into Critical Role, watching people playing D&D is just never as fun as actually playing D&D to me.

@flameknightdragon

Ай бұрын

you will notice that a lot of the show's fanbase have never touched dnd in their lives.

In regards to critical roll, I tried to give it a chance when season 3 started, but I genuinely can't stand anyone but Matt. Matt's awesome his players not so much. The dude thst looks like baby Tim curry was the worse.

Ugh, so tired of people comparing every game to CR or blaming them for ruining the game. You know who really ruins D&D? Those who double down on WotC's greed and charge for running sessions.

@Djanck000

2 ай бұрын

Your argument reminds me of the people that demand free art for their characters when they discover some of the players is a talented artist. Paid DMs are offering a service. You don't have to use it.

@Bladezeromus

2 ай бұрын

​@@Djanck000 Correct. That's the power of capitalism.

@EnraiChannel

2 ай бұрын

I don't see anything wrong with paid DMs. Just don't hire them. I don't play with strangers either.

Granted I like Critical Role, and I would not mind playing a game in that world. That Is where I draw the line, I am in the mind set that every DM has a peticuler style simmler to Martal Arts. You should not take away players agency to replace an episode of Critical Role. You cant expect every DM to be Like mat Mercer, like you cant expect every Martal Artest to be Bruce Lee, Chuck Noris, or Jacky Chan. When I do watch Critical Role I do think what I would do in the situation, and it may be different to what the cast will do. After all to me D&D is more of a What If and Chose Your Own Adventer game, not a Play by Play account of some one else.

I've tried to watch Critical Role on numerous occasions, and for the life of me I just don't see the appeal.

Quick question mister Doge.is the voice ai generated or are you just super chill because of all the cool cats to cleanse you of the interner cringe?

Story #1 - Needless to say, DM was the one ruining everything here. If DMs want to take ideas from CR or wherever, that's fine, but forget trying to exactly replicate whatever goes on - it is just not going to happen. The game is all about the people actually there at the table, NOT what the rulebook says OR what some other group says or does. Story #2 - Evil campaigns suck. This is why. Just walk. Story #3 - Yep, multiple Red Flags for Mark straight-up. No real surprises here. Given what HE did to that server membership overall, I wonder if his friends are still his friends. Story #4 - REALLY Bad DM. In every way possible. There are specifics I could pick out but, simply, it was all about him, not his Players. A very cool twist to this story, and I'm glad it worked out so well for OP and others. Story #5 _ Definite murderhobos. If the Player chose to stick with this bunch, that was entirely his call. But WHY would a LG Character tolerate what these Characters did? It makes no sense at all. Also clear is that the DM isn't doing the work, so maybe he's burnt-out or something. Yeah, quit, move on, whatever.

Critical Role and its consequences have been a disaster for tabletop role playing games.

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Excuse me? Reddit user Rock hard CLITORIS??????

Years of improv and they still take a 10 second pause every 2 lines

Unpopular opinion: I'm not a fan of Critical Role and don't get the hype. (The below opinion is based on the half-dozen or so episodes I watched a few years ago, so not sure if these complaints are still valid.) If I played in those campaigns, I'd probably have left after a few sessions. In general, the story/action moves very slowly. It's apparent that group _loves_ role playing, which is great, but they often don't seem to understand when extended RP segments detract from the overall story-telling with tangential irrelevancies. Sometimes, you just need to cut it off and do something that moves the story forward.

Did he mispronounce clitoris on purpose?

Story 1: cr really needs to edit all videos with a earning that this isn't a real game, it's a show played by professionnal actors.

@solosynapse

2 ай бұрын

It's an actual game, too.

CR is scripted rolls portrayed by trained actors, people not realizing that is so funny because Matt Mercer himself said no games are supposed to reflect CR

@MrRevilnemesis

2 ай бұрын

A group that had played together for two years before having a show, one of the most well known moments being a player causing the DM to outright admit that he has to write completely new elements into the plot, and had a minor NPC ending up with more screen time then intended cause the players liked him has scripted rolls? That is an interesting takeaway you have.

Any time someone tries to think they're Matt Mercer, that's a sign to bail. Matt's the GOAT for what he's done to get people into the hobby and the stories he and the crew have told, but even he admits he hates when people try to copycat him.

I don't get anyone who would want to just do combat over and over, combat fatigue is a thing, even in games.

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I don't like ANYTHING from CR being copied. It's a red flag and it's always turned out as bad as I thought it would every time. I was in one game the GM asked me "How do you want to do it?" and I had no idea what he was talking about. It wasn't until I was told it meant I landed the killing blow. I made it as bleak and realistic as possible just to screw with the people because I don't like the limelight and you'd think the GM would have remembered that before copying something that puts the limelight on players and using it on the player that doesn't want the limelight. I've also been in games with some seriously idiotic people. One German chick who literally was just a contrarian to the point where she would try to make a point only for you to realize it was stupid when she finished. A furry who played a promiscuous person, tried to run a PF2e game only to run the most boring game ever, then proceed to want to play a ra*ist in the system I offered to run while trying to use "I've been a GM for a long time" to try and appeal to authority to force me to allow it. One player in that one was obsessed with Communist Russia and never stop mentioning how amazing and great it was despite being a failed state and another quiet person who clearly didn't want to be there after I laid down rules about how stupid crap would be punished because I won't make the world revolve around the players but make it a living and breathing setting. I've stopped playing D&D for obvious reasons and I don't even run it anymore. I've actually stopped making adventures for it which isn't even unique to me so if you notice a lack of content it's because a lot of us normal people have moved to other systems that are far better designed and far more likely to gatekeep on a company level to avoid selling out to weirdos. I played in ONE game and I wouldn't say it was top tier but it was good and it opened my eyes to how a system is when it's creator loves it instead of using it to push activism. Sword World saved TTRPGs for me. I even have a new pen name now and have released three adventures online that are highly regarded even in Japan. I'm actually glad someone out there enjoys my adventures since it felt like no one cared for a long time.

@Darkwintre

Ай бұрын

In the game I ran three of the players ran what was really modified character from CR. The couple ran a pair of half elves whose settlement was wiped out by orcs instead of a dragon, another ran a Fallen Aasimar Folk Hero Paladin. Sadly the rogue not really that interested in d &d allowed her husband to turn her character into his sidekick as an arcane trickster so he could obtain the spellbooks she would have to locate for her own character. As for the Fallen Aasimar he apparently doesn't understand about Folk Heroes so I modifed his back story from isolating himself at a remote monastery to he was orphaned and raised within the city the game started within.. His situation inspiring the city inhabitants to rise up in protest creating a new order of knights known as the Free Knights composed of former Royal Guard, City Guard and other recruits intent on preventing what had happened to him happening to anyone else in that city. As i said he doesn't understand what a Folk Hero is. I had planned shifting the setting into a domain of dread so I could stage a much needed session zero as it was originally a one shot but the other dm who played the other half elf a shadow sprceror got bored of his game and decided to jump settings ignoring the fact he couldn't since my game established his is set on an entirely different world which he repeatedly agreed to until he lost any interest in keeping his own game straight. There is no Matt Mercer effect as far as I'm concerned only a Critical Role effect and should be treated as such! He doesn't deserve that!

@richardtorruellas2370

Ай бұрын

@@Darkwintre They call it the Matt Mercer Effect because it's his charisma that sold it as "good gamemastering" and people are keen to copy success when they are talentless themselves. At no point did they realize he does it for the show and only the show along with a lot of other things. I only know this because I actually recall meeting him and playing with him long ago, back when my dad was alive and knew some of the greats. Matt never did half of what he does for CR. I blame the parasocial relationship itself, remember these people think the Matt they see on screen is a real person and not in any way modified to sell his show or even make it more acceptable to some suits somewhere to keep the lights on.

Pfft every dnd story is" yeah I was a coward back then, don't be like me and stand up for yourself".

@solosynapse

2 ай бұрын

You seem obsessed with people being "cowardly." But of insecurity or projection on top of your lack of empathy? And a fan of famous cowardly liar Shoe0nHead, wow. You a believer in "alpha males" too?

The Critical Role show and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

@andreacallegari7137

2 ай бұрын

You mean the game that brought countless people to DND 5e and allowed many other to make a living out of playing tabletop games? Sure, THAT's what will eventually spell the downfall of the human race, a hobby becoming more popular

@falxblade1352

2 ай бұрын

​@andreacallegari7137 ... it's a joke. Not only that, but it's the start of a copypasta.

@Djanck000

2 ай бұрын

Nah! Seriously. It is undeniable that they brought more good than bad to the TTRPG hobby as a whole. Sure, people demanding voice acting and making "horror stories" where the only "crime" a group commits is RPying through descriptions is pretty stupid and becoming pretty common, with people being repelled by the idea of ttrpgs because they can't make funny voices, but they brought so much more people to the hobby that we're experiencing a renaissance of sorts.

@ollaniuspius1211

2 ай бұрын

@@falxblade1352 Precisely.

Why do , horror story youtubers ... talk like . this, ?.

Critical Role honestly did more harm than good to the DnD community.

Quick question mister Doge.is the voice ai generated or are you just super chill because of all the cool cats to cleanse you of the interner cringe?