What I found even more disappointing than the lack of debate, was the lack of research. For example: the world spent a year arguing about whether masks work, but conducted almost no experiments to try and find a more definitive answer.

@wadetisthammer3612

3 ай бұрын

YES. I thought the same thing!

@dirkhamilton2709

3 ай бұрын

Because it didn’t matter if they worked or not. Democrats “Knew” the best course of action was to write tickets to Republicans that didn’t want to wear them. There was no research done because IF it was show masks were useless Republicans could use that argument in court. That is COVID in a nutshell. I will never forgive the political Left. Ever.

@EyreEver

3 ай бұрын

Because everyone knew and didn't want to know.

@JMK-vo8pv

3 ай бұрын

Exactly correct. Big Pharma and Big Government certainly did NOT want any challenge to their decrees, mandates, disinformation. If they allowed any opposing views it would endanger their "lock" on power and PROFITS!🙈🙉🙊 @@EyreEver

@quarteralien

3 ай бұрын

and refused to publish the Danmask study.

I don't think enough people understand how important Dr. Prasad's talk really is in a democracy that holds freedom of speech so dear. He methodically takes us through the missteps that continue to lead us astray. Away from uncovering truth and retaining a free and informed society. I really hope this talk goes viral (internet viral). Prasad's logic and reasoning are so compelling that it boggles the mind that any educated individual would seek to destroy him just because they don't like what he says, which is basically the truth. What was rather interesting is that KZread served me a version of this talk earlier today, which I watched. Right after I watched it it was removed from KZread. My first thought was that KZread was censoring the doctor or Heterodox, but I believe Heterodox deleted it and reposted it for whatever reason. It is the sign of the times that we think the worst, without evidence. Very sad.

@AP-vg3nr

3 ай бұрын

I saw that too, and had the same initial response. I think what happened was HXA uploaded to the HXA Out Loud channel by mistake and then deleted it and re-uploaded to the main channel.

Crazy that the medical staff could go home to their families and return to work the next day. Yet the families of patients were prevented from doing the same exact thing.

The sad thing is if another pandemic popped up tomorrow, academia, medicine, media, government, tech and elites would still go right back to the same playbook. We have learnt nothing. The same people still operate by feelings and not by facts.

@Tesfas

3 ай бұрын

This is highly likely unless we have an honest and transparent discussion around the mistakes we made. And more importantly people take responsibility for mistakes.

@monisantini-kelly6581

2 ай бұрын

We only have to blame the obeying masses (or herd) of sheeps complying with the non-sense mandates and absurd rules. If the masses refuse to comply, the game and the delirium of the so called "elite" is over in minutes. This is the summary

@parvent3556

Ай бұрын

It would depend on whether it was a real pandemic, or a PLAN-demic.

@shadowpathfinder7723

Ай бұрын

Oh, they learned alright. They learned further the extent that the small majority of people are sheep, without any sort of actual mind and the barest awareness, and they learned who their targets are

@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql

14 күн бұрын

It’s terrifying. Honestly i think they’ll do much worse…

most people have not learned anything and forgotten everything that happened

Statements weren’t checked if they were right or wrong, but if they were Right or Left. The Lancet published an article stating that it was essential that Americans not reelect Trump because his COVID policies were so bad. This was done at a time when the UK had a COVID death rate 25% higher than the US. Conservatives were called murderers because they wanted to go to work and earn a living. Covid response wasn’t a “failure” of the academy, it was the academy jumping in line to do the bidding of one political party.

@davidwestwater2219

3 ай бұрын

Donald Trump approved of the closures. He is the one who initiated them

@casteretpollux

3 ай бұрын

25% ? Why

@darcykamin1111

2 ай бұрын

In the end, there is only the globalist uniparty, and yes, they jumped to support the narrative.

I can cry as I hear you and breathe deeply. You speak reason that I felt and thought and believed throughout the pandemic and felt so confused by the policies and demanded behaviors to follow. I grew up in a school that taught critical thinking so I couldn't understand why we couldn't talk about the trauma that was blinding us and hold critical Debates on everything that was happening. It was a horrific example of how authoriatarianianism is a natural flaw of blind reactive human reactions.

The CDC and FDA could claim that - "reading tea leaves" and "inspecting chicken entrails" constitute - "the science" - but clearly that wouldn't make it so. The capture of "the science" by monied interests - and the political class literally "owned" by those monied interests - has destroyed anything resembling free and open scientific inquiry.

Thanks to Dr. Prasad for speaking so eloquently on these topics. I started the pandemic with frequent doomscrolling. When I stopped believing the hysteria, anonymous internet commenters happily told me that I was listening to all the wrong people. I’m glad I stuck with people who are adherents of evidence based medicine, and I’m grateful that Dr. Prasad has persisted with his sensible messages.

What we have learned is there are people in power that even renowned and respected scientists, doctors, epidemiologist can't overcome

Excellent summary of covid misinformation promoted by the academy!

Excellent summary of everything that's been wrong

They are still going after scientists and doctors today. They are trying to pass a WHO treaty that would implement all the bad policies used during covid. We are still facing the same issues.

Totally agree with this, but it was dying relative policy that convinced me that the world has lost its collective mind. Australia did this - and you couldn't even cross a state border to visit a dying relative. And that was an explicit violation of our constitution.

@warrenklein7817

3 ай бұрын

And now we have 50k + unexplained excess deaths since May 2021 that no one in authority will examine. Number of deaths by month of occurrence, 2019-22 2019. 2020. 2021. 2022 January. 13,192. 12,995. 13,368. 16,257 February. 11,971. 12,513. 12,022. 14,073 March. 13,176. 13,546. 13,624. 14,727 April. 12,993. 13,300. 13,574. 14,845 May. 14,185. 14,025. 15,035. 16,466 June. 14,658. 13,269. 14,876 17,139 July. 15,183. 14,479. 15,903 18,279 August. 15,286. 14,858. 15,395 17,698 September. 14,269. 13,689. 14,759 15,704 October. 14,010. 13,430. 14,966. 15,232 November. 12,845. 13,034. 14,032. 14,629 December. 13,046. 13,508. 14,422. 15,345 ========≈=================== 164,814 162,646. 171,976. 190,394 First jabs March 2021. Note what happens in May 2021 and subsequently. Just a fluke repeated 19 times??? It continues into 2023, not quite as deadly, but still excess unexplained deaths. Source: ABS.GOV.AU

Beautifully lucid. Thanks.

This is a most enlightening analysis of the sources of CoViD policies and censorship, fact checking and the prevention of discussion and debate.

There are three distinct issues - 1) freedom of speech . This is a human rights issue 2) freedom of academic debate within academic institutions. This is an issue relating to the development and sharing of knowledge. In one short talk I would have preferred to hear more about the latter given that this was the title of the talk. The stunting of research (and academic debate is a part of the research process) is a serious threat to the human species.

Thanks very much.

Excellent!

Wonderful to see Prasad speaking at Heterodox Academy

Yet another reason why it's terrible this got politicized: it hampered scientific discussion.

@agathahofmann6977

3 ай бұрын

and there is more child ilnesses vaccine hesitancy ❤ from the Netherlands

Yes, Virginia, Truth can prevail, even in California! Thank you for your forbearance. Sincere congratulations to Dr. Vinay Prasad.

Tragic at what a sheepish population we have become. Hope springs eternal, thanks to Dr. Prasad and others.

I don’t follow prassad because I think he is always right. I follow him because 1: his logic is usually sound 2: his credentials are appropriate 3: his approach to specific policy decisions seems honest and structured 4: he is broad enough to incorporate ethics and practicality.

@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql

14 күн бұрын

Vinay kept me sane during covid, while the dictator Biden and his sycophants were destroying my life!

As a nurse who has personally witnessed a global propensity to neglect institutionalized elders I can't even imagine what care was like when no one was looking?

@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql

14 күн бұрын

My father 64 year old was KILLED by negligence in Portugal, at the University Hospital of Porto Sao Joao, in July 2020… because of the horrific covid policies and the fact that the medical staff was completely mad.

Academe did not host debate. Indeed. In a science writing class I attempted a debate with students on Covid policies. They were incapable of it and it resulted in intense emotion and me eventually being bullied for it. It was never modeled so my effort was too radical. This will fester

@casteretpollux

3 ай бұрын

In what way could they not handle debate?

@lizrohan9539

3 ай бұрын

They said we don't want to talk about this@@casteretpollux

My heroooooo!!!! Congratulations professor!!!

I have grave misgivings about the once gold-standard of Peer Review. Going against the established narrative can now lead to loss of social stature, censorship and even complete career loss.

@momhouser

3 ай бұрын

It has always been that way from beginning of science. We want to fight against the tendency, but don't think this is something new. Nor does it mean that anything new or contraband is automatically true or accurate. Tread carefully.

@bwalker4194

3 ай бұрын

Sadly, the beginning, continuation of and even very recent application and study of science has never even come close to the corruption and power of today's Government when combined with the power and corruption of social media, Big Pharma and Big Tech. The cancellation, censorship and career destruction is now quick and permanent. @@momhouser

@darcykamin1111

2 ай бұрын

Lol. Peer review. Ha. Now we know what THAT means. Wink, wink. 😉😉

@shadowpathfinder7723

Ай бұрын

As has been said many times before, the chief obstacle to the advancement of science is established scientists themselves. Once the old die off the new will take their positions and science will move forward as slightly as the younger generation

We learned that we should trust out guts and follow the real science.

Thank you Dr. Vinay for keeping the light on the mishandling the risk. My kid was forced to go to a music class with a hole in the mask and i will never get over it. Policy for the sake of policy

You will always have my respect and gratitude.

Thank you Dr. Prasad.

POLITICIZING ANYTHING is INTENTIONAL !’

Nearly All of the major media had advertising contracts with the drug companies.. Possibly a goodly number of talking heads had drug co. stock??

Where are the consequences for the criminal psychopaths?

@shadowpathfinder7723

Ай бұрын

They're laying around in your hands which are currently typing on the internet instead of working

Been following vinay since covid started. Dude one of the few to call out experts by name. Dude has balls. Rest of academy is an echo chamber full of cowards

26:20 If talking spreads viruses through unintentional spittIe droplets, and simply breathing does not, then it's not absurd to exempt periods of sleeping from a masking requirement. Having said that, I agree with Dr. Prasad that there is not good evidence that masks are effective, and mask mandates are unjustified.

@allencoward5282

3 ай бұрын

I was under the impression that it was aerosol spread and not droplet spread?

@Mike-ip6je

3 ай бұрын

@@allencoward5282 I think people use the word "aerosol" to mean a bunch of small droplets together.

Love him

look at every country and how they dealt with the pandemic (i.e. Sweden) and learn from it.

An honest and open communication is what we need since the media war started not only in medical but also in many other fields. I consider it a dark age where there is no defined line between what is truth or false. And politics becomes the center all public affair, sad !

Good talk. I think scientific questioning people got thrown in with the consume horse poop people, and the rest of us were like um, no, if there are some wackos, they are all wackos. It is such a sobering reminder (as is true in another hot, highly censored topic that starts with t and ends with r) that there is great variety of people on both "ends" of the debate.

A good man.

Amazing presentation? Didn't hear "AEROSOL" transmission so far - after 30 minutes!!

Can anyone see this?

@Mike-ip6je

3 ай бұрын

Yes. I see your comment.

We should have trusted in The Great Physician rather than a govt. appointed expert?????. The Great Physician had our best interest in mind rather than amounts of profits for big pharma stockholders.

@kathynewkirk683

3 ай бұрын

Most MDs, are not great physicians. Med schools teach, diagnose and treat. They don’t have a clue, and the med schools and studies are supported by the pharmaceutical companies…..

Wish the "fireside chat" portion of this was included.

#Rappler #ManilaBulletin #BusinessWorld #KagawaranNgKalusugan

In Boracay Island 2021, you can remove masks when your feet touches the ocean😂

Sir Patrick Vallance admits he lied

What's Covid?

@nomnomyam9379

3 ай бұрын

answer: unnecessary panic

Sad to realize that the devil is in all of us!!!!

Shame on the medical community!

Hind site is always so easy. Remember, we had no idea what we were dealing with…

@Edward-my9nk

3 ай бұрын

yea. we had no idea that government and medicine would scam citizens to such a degree

@HappyLife-wv5ms

3 ай бұрын

We might not have known, but the powers in charge certainly did and manipulated the situation to their benefit.

@camillew4088

3 ай бұрын

I'm not highly educated but had questions about natural immunity (and masking outdoors as well as for kids), which, for virtually every other disease, was better than vaccinated immunity. It was an innocent question, and I couldn't believe how my adult kids responded to it. Yes, we didn't know a lot in the beginning, but it seems that there were forces co-opting the whole situation for political reasons. I truly detest politicians who caved to their party lines and corporate donors regardless of the D or R after their names, not to mention the civil servants who became mouthpieces for both.

@warrenklein7817

3 ай бұрын

CDC study said IFR 0.4 % by mid 2020, average 2.6 co-morbidities and average age 78. The problem was that the community couldn't understand 0.4% is 4 per 1000 of people who were already in God's waiting room. Can't help stupid!!!

@casteretpollux

3 ай бұрын

We knew very early thanks to Chinese research that it was a coronavirus and we knew very early that it was potentially fatal, mainly in the over 65 age group.

I noticed, too, that any debate on the acceptability of using, let alone mandating, a product that was developed, tested, or manufactured using aborted fetal cell lines. I will never accept such a thing myself. Not even to save my life. The child in this case was a female aborted at six months' gestation. Not a humane event at all.

The problem with the logic of reopening elementary schools and middle schools early is that many of the teachers at those schools were middle-aged and older, so they would have been vulnerable to the virus brought into the schools by low-risk students who weren't suffering serious symptoms but were nevertheless carrying the virus.

@sliglusamelius8578

2 ай бұрын

Baloney. The really vulnerable were people over 65 with other comorbidities.

@wallihaley5194

Ай бұрын

@@sliglusamelius8578, I think the point was kids could transmit the virus to their elderly teachers.

@sliglusamelius8578

Ай бұрын

@@wallihaley5194 That's a lame reason to cause entire generation of kids to forego their educations for a couple years, and very few teachers are over 65 with comorbidities..

I'm sorry but the speaker referring to "urban cities" got me wondering if he was aware of any other kind of city.

@benjaminperez969

3 ай бұрын

I think by "urban cities" he meant large cities (e.g., San Francisco). In the U.S.A., "city" is a kind of technical term, with many, many relatively small locations being classified as "cities" (as opposed to towns).

@janellemiller1195

3 ай бұрын

Small or rural cities are also types of cities so the Dr. is differentiating large ,urban areas from smaller one s.

@greglarson6293

3 ай бұрын

What he really means is places ran by progressive liberals. He’s progressive, but with an honest scientific mind, so it’s hard for him to admit that his side was absolutely insane, vile, and authoritarian during Covid.

Important information. Would be more listenable without the Valley Girl speech. Stop saying like!!!!

We have a son who have 5 kids under 8, homeschooled, mom and dad worked from home, were very protective. The whole family fot sick Covid, from 7 years, to the toddler. Don tell me younger children don’t get covid…..

@camillew4088

3 ай бұрын

I think that the point is that young children don't have high mortality and morbidity from covid.

@rybec

3 ай бұрын

We were extremely isolated during COVID, due to living situation, working at home, and when not working at home working jobs with minimal human interaction. We got COVID twice during that period. Our younger kids didn't have symptoms both times, but they all had mild symptoms at least once. I was knocked out for a few days, but the worst was muscle problems that came up a few days after I was over it. It took months for some of that to go away, and the second time I (thankfully) did not have that and had extremely mild symptoms. Younger children seem to be just as likely to _get_ COVID as anyone else, but the majority have few or no symptoms, and they are typically extremely mild. That doesn't mean that younger kids _can't_ get COVID with more severe symptoms though. This is why it's so contagious among kids. Because some do get symptoms, people initially assumed that kids with COVID would _always_ have visible symptoms. It was half a year or more before people (including doctors, many of whom initially refused to accept the evidence for political reasons) started accepting that many kids are asymptomatic carriers and that at least half of the time, kids don't get symptoms when they get COVID.

It is always easy to do Monday Morning Quarterback. At the time of the panic, I don't think there was time to do a debate. How long would the debate have taken? What you expressed is the epitome of individualism, characteristic of a neoliberal capitalism. I agree the pharmaceutical companies took advantage of the panic situation of the pandemic to increase. It certainly makes no sense to vaccinate those who had been infected. That's just a way for big Pharma to make more money.

@I.identify.as.a

3 ай бұрын

Never give up freedom for safety. Thats how the atrocities of the 20th century happened

@pbkobold

3 ай бұрын

Did you listen to the talk? Even by 15 minutes in he cited multiple instances in 2020 where those with views and data, even attempts to collect data, outside the orthodoxy were silenced. “We couldn’t have known” is a bizarre cope, given how many physicians and researchers were speaking up by latter 2020.

@sliglusamelius8578

2 ай бұрын

Nonsense. I publicly argued against shutdowns and masking and forced vaccinations from day one. I knew that the pandemic would get better as the virus mutated to less virulent forms, and I knew that herd immunity would be the best plan, with elderly persons the ones who needed protection. Some of us are smart and some are not.

@tfrazie

Ай бұрын

Learn some medical history and about the relationship between corporate media and big pharma. The lack of debate and scientific censorship and in some cases rushing through approval has caused numerous health disasters. This one just eclipses all others.

"fact checker" is just a propagandist

While I agree with several points made here, particularly about the suppression of debates (like lab leak), many of the decisions made at the time were based on the available evidence. Much of Prasad’s argument is based on the evidence acquired through time, retrospectively. So some of it seems unfair. In addition, variants of the virus were not all the same. The early variants at least at the time indicated higher death rates than later variants that would follow. Absent accumulated data, policy makers have to make decisions.

@EyreEver

3 ай бұрын

There was contravention evidence, quite early. And we all know it. China wanted Trump gone. They got what they wanted. Kennedy 2024

Unsubscribing from this channel for this garbage. Sad decline in quality, dangerous nonsense is worthless, doesn't matter how heterodox it is.

@yaweno9555

3 ай бұрын

Interesting and frightful how so many folks feel that the truth backed by substantiated evidence is dangerous.

@doubleandy

3 ай бұрын

What garbage? Can you articulate what your position on this?

@DanielPage

3 ай бұрын

What exactly here is "dangerous nonsense"? The speaker was demanding better than the dangerous nonsense we got [and was inflicted on innocent people and other academics].

@clarkE111

3 ай бұрын

You still masking?

@I.identify.as.a

3 ай бұрын

This guy is the problem with society

Unfollowing Heterodox Academy. Sad, since I love Haidt.

@doubleandy

3 ай бұрын

What exactly is it that caused you to unsubscribe? This is the second comment how on this video now expressing this sentiment

@guitarsandbongos

3 ай бұрын

@@doubleandy Vinay's face. The smuggest most dishonest POS. Thankfully after he blocked me on Twitter don't have to see his relentless antivax/antimask tweets. Plus COVID is not that newsworthy anymore. I'm sure his takes on everything else are just as vile.

@PatrickFerryCoach

3 ай бұрын

I'm confused this is the single greatest example of the core princple? LOL 😂

@I.identify.as.a

3 ай бұрын

Your ideas cant be challenged? You so weak mentally that hearing an opposing opinion breaks you? Being uncomfortable hearing the “other side” is how you grow as an intellectual human. It creates critical thinking… seems you are the problem with society.

@I.identify.as.a

3 ай бұрын

Awe you mad? You weak minded? Your mental construction of the world being challenged and you cant take it? This is what needs to happen more, listening to challenging opinions… its how you grow, its also the essence of science. You are whats wrong with society.

Vote 2024! Dr Prasad and Dr Hoeg! Anti-Idiocy Party! Make Medicine Great Again!

Jaw dropping the contrast between Prasad and his colleagues at UCSF. Uncle Bob “booster” Wachter and that medical gargoyle Monica Gandhi - the profound ignorance of those two is as stunning as it is disturbing, especially given they are still permitted to treat patients and they continue to gleefully pontificate their ignorance - both are an unremovable stain on the fabric of an medicine

The Fauci Effect. The Collins Catastrophe. I submit these for consideration for what is happening.

HXA is promoting a sloppy if sophisticated analysis here. He makes many assorted points, the vast majority of which are easily countered by anyone thinking critically. Were there many questionable aspects of decisions made under fog of a health emergency? Of course, and I want much of that to go on, just as I want decisions made with limited debate on battlefields, and by emergency rescue personnel. Its good to reflect on the decisions, but a lot of this talk seems sloppy heterodox contrarianism for its own sake🙊🙉🙈🫣

@wadetisthammer3612

3 ай бұрын

What about the speaker's key point that scientific debate on an important matter of public health was stifled?

@explrr22

3 ай бұрын

@@wadetisthammer3612 I'd say the debate shouldn't have been stifled to points of censorship or public shaming of quality inquiries, or alternatives. Some damping of media tendency to promote the most flamboyant (in times of emergency), does seem warranted. One problem though, is pulling back as emergency is less intense... YET: I'm not sure it was stifled as much in scientific dialogue as it was in the public dialogue. I was well aware of most all the counter and alternative views now being highlighted at the time and I'm just a curious informed outsider, that tries to get the gist of the debate. Some public figures may have been pulled too far by the media insistence on binary good/bad true/false framings... But most often even in those circumstances there was some temporal hedging in genuine authoritative public dialogue. The media and politicians are another matter.

@explrr22

3 ай бұрын

@@wadetisthammer3612 One point that I hadn't made... Even If the damping of media amplification of more sensational and dubious is appropriate under some circumstances of time and safety..... The polarization of our society resulted in noticeable and unproductive biases in favor of some poles and opposed to others. Ex. There was little mainstream media or health authority pushback against the far reaches of aspirational safety-ism... even after they were easily descredited.

@celiacresswell6909

3 ай бұрын

I agree with you: if the OP thinks the overall response to c19 was acceptable in every way because of the ‘fog of the health emergency’, then he presumably is okay with us doing broadly the same next time. Well, it’s a point of view, but not one I share: I’m not sure that we can afford to make such a fk up again soon, and that particularly includes our medical professionals.

@EyreEver

3 ай бұрын

You have been misinformed.