Both nice tractors, thanks for posting! My dad bought two 4000 tractors new, one in 66 and the second one in 71. Both Diesel good tough tractors.

I like to see these great old Fords put back together right. Well done.

The Selectospeed transmissions were outstanding for PTO work. The cross hatch marks across 5th, 6th, and 9th denotes coasting gears, there is no engine braking down hill. We had a 981 gas and I have a 981D. The 8 series had the slickest way to run an auger or elevator; lock brakes, disconnect the driveline for towing, engage the ground drive PTO and about 6th gear. You have great torque multiplication.

Your right, great tractors. My 1960 841-D runs like a champ. Built Ford tough.

I'd still take that 861 over that 4000 any day. It's just a far better machine than that 4000. My understanding, the 3000=5000 were more "experimental" at the time. Later models, were far more improved. My old 881 was more of "gold" color scheme. Great video, cheers :)

@T0tenkampf

2 жыл бұрын

The 4 cylinder 2000/4000 tractors are almost the same and newer model than the 01 series work and powermasters and are the pinnacle of the NAA design. There were no later models of this design. You may be thinking of the 3 cylinder thousand series that uses the same model numbers but are not considered true fords by purists. id love to find an 881 myself, thats a heck of a find

I’m going to look at an 1958 861D tomorrow

I like f901 or f951 propane Works great for garden and cotton I still love them both because I rode on them as a kid with uncle Got them both back

Last year my wife and I just drove around town to give everyone something to talk about and laugh 😂 😊

Both are very nice tractors

Great video I alway wanted a sos transmission even tho everyone seems to hate them.

@chickenhousemechanic

3 жыл бұрын

It seems like they would be a great transmission when they were new and properly working. Main reason I didn't like it was it didn't have a clutch to slip so the tractor wanted to jerk real bad from a standstill. Plus most of my fields are fairly short and level so I don't have a need to shift on the fly. Usually just rev tractor up a little more and they do fine.

@Ham68229

3 жыл бұрын

@@chickenhousemechanic the SOS does have a "clutch" per say, maybe was a bit out of adjustment. Had an old 881 SOS. Loved it, just our SOS was beginning to have issues with a lot of the "gears" slipping. Replaced with a 5 speed 2 stage clutch. Cheers :)

@chickenhousemechanic

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ham68229 yep the torque limiting clutch. The clutch looked new when I took it apart. I'm putting a 5 speed with live pto back into it.

@donvoll2580

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ham68229 Good day to both of you, Our neighbor had 4000 3 cyl with sos, wow he could not get drwbar close baler to hook up 1or 2 ins, away. Yes they replaced sos with 8 spd. Thanks for video.

that PS pump is available new for less than $200

Yea id say ocd woried about the way the chain is bolted to arm i thougt we where annell about are stuff we cleen al are tractors fix little thing and paint them when they get bad

I like the 861.

I have an 861. It's a good tractor. My problem with it is it was made for short people. it's hard to push clutch. Almost impossible sitting on the seat. Having live pto makes it worse due to increased pedal height. It has a front loader. When steering if I'm not real careful , my fingers get stubbed on the loader frame.

On the 601/801 series tractors, and on the 62-64 2000/4000 the 4 or 5 speed transmission was far more reliable than SOS. On the 65 and later thousand series tractors, the 8 speed was the cream of the crop

Thanks for the info! I recently purchased a 961-D and I'm looking at options for a front end loader. I'm curious as to your thoughts of an FEL in general. How much weight the front end can take reliably. What FEL might you recommend. I'd rather stay away from the single arm loaders. Mine is a wide front end. Looks very much like your 4000. Any info or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

@chickenhousemechanic

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not really familiar with any front end loaders on these. I'd like to have one on my 861 but I've heard bad things about them such as cracking blocks and hard steering. I've seen a few wide fronts with loaders but don't know what brand they are.

@brianpatrick8787

3 жыл бұрын

The 861 has strong front end. Same basic design as our 800 and that tractor has had Wagner loader on it since the day it came home. new.

There is a guy in PA that rebuilds selectospeed transmission. Will give you a warranty. Arthur’s Tractors.

That 4000 looks like at one time some one painted it and took ok care of it that ford paint falls of with power washer. Yes if a tractor dosent have live pto its use less are has live pto and its great for mowing. Bevause the fwd rev set jm

The bottom end of the 4000 engine is the same as the gasoline only difference is the head the injector pump goes into the distributor in the block all that same

What was wrong with the Selecto? How much do you want for it? I'm looking for parts for my grandpa's 881.

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing was wrong with it. I really just think it needed adjusting and a new input shaft. Not sure if I want to sell it just yet. I might find another tractor one day to put it into.

My 601D has same box.

Where did you find the airbox for the 801 I'm having a hard time getting one

@chickenhousemechanic

11 ай бұрын

I found it on ebay. There is a guy on Facebook named Mike Smith in a lot of ford tractor groups who does salvage parts. He might have one.

I just got what I thought was a 961 but it has a 4000 sticker on it and the 4000 front end along with the 4 cylinder gas engine. I don't have a clue what exactly I actually have.

@chickenhousemechanic

Жыл бұрын

There should be a model and serial number stamped on the transmission just behind the starter. Diesel models are usually corroded away though. Other thing to keep in mind is the transmission may have been changed. One thing I noticed between the 01 series and 2000/4000 is the draft/position direction is cast into the rear housing. Earlier models used a decal. Just another way to tell them apart.

I have the 961 diesel It has 192 engine.

Great video on these two tractors. I’m looking to buy one in this make and model. I’m undecided of getting gas OR diesel. Going to be a worker, which has lower cost of ownership, gas or diesel.? It will be helping drag logs and bush hogging.

@chickenhousemechanic

11 ай бұрын

I perfer the diesel models. Not sure which is cheaper to run but ford claimed the diesel models were better on fuel over the gas models. They have a lot of power. Powersteering is nice to have too.

You said your 861 came with a 4000 style air cleaner. I lost the oil cup on our 841 that also has a 4000 style air cleaner. Do you still have it? Would you sell the air cleaner? If not, will you give me measurements to make a replacement cup?

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

I will actually be using the one off my 861 on this 4000 as the 4000 aircleaner is damaged. I can give you the measurements for the cup so you can make one. There is also a couple guys on Facebook who specialize is old and ford tractor salvage you can look up who might have one they will sell you. Those guys are Mike Smith of Mike Smith Implements and Farmer John's Tractor Parts. Mike Smith is from Michigan and Farmer John is from Georgia. As for the cup measurements they are 7" inside diameter and 3-1/4" tall. Hope this helps.

There were 4000 tractors that weren't that high. About same as 861

Never realy see the 4000 like this reminds me of a 6000 if that is original color it love it best thing ever is the front conversion gives it a great look my dad has 861gas or a 651 being a deisel man thought it was just newer 8n tell i used it and man it a good working tractor its nice and cleen like yours i laughed wen he bought it im use to newer for. 00 and 600 series and up but no it past my expectatins and it only gas beside are old to35 we had for well sense way before me .are little ford 2000 is great ford and we have lots of biger tractors 70 hp around their

@chickenhousemechanic

3 жыл бұрын

It's kinda correct. The Blue is right but it should have the gray sheet metal like the 861. Those tractors came out about same time as the 6000 did but you could have them as a 961 version with the wide front. Not sure if it was available on a 960. In my area you don't see them at all. We mostly see 8n and 600/601 tractors.

You are going to give up an independent PTO and. Selecto Speed for a dual pressure plate 5 speed?

@chickenhousemechanic

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I'll be putting a 5 speed with live pto back in its place.

Just got an 851, how would I go about getting live PTO?

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

To convert your tractor to a live PTO you'll have to change the transmission, clutch, and flywheel. Possibly clutch linkage if you don't have a double hole clevis on the end of it. You can change the input shafts on the transmission but parts would cost more than just swapping the transmission out.

Did any year 4000 have that round thing on the front of the hood?

@chickenhousemechanic

5 ай бұрын

No the cyclops nose bullet started on the 1953 Jubilee and ran until the 1962 x01 series tractors. The 1963-64 2000 and 4000 models had the smooth V shaped piece. The 2000 has a screen in front of the lift up hood while the 4000 got the chrome grille trim.

@natfunk5992

5 ай бұрын

I think I have an 841 with an incorrect 4000 decal on it.@@chickenhousemechanic

@chickenhousemechanic

5 ай бұрын

@@natfunk5992 it's possible from over the years. If it's a diesel it might have the updated engine block and been repainted to look like a 4000. That's how my 861-D was when I purchased it. Ford also had a promotion back in the day to paint the old red tractors blue after the split from Ferguson.

I came across a old Ford diesel tractor I think it's an 861 don't know for sure.....would like to chat with u on a one to one basis to get more info about it....

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

If you look on the transmission just behind the starter you will see a flat area with numbers stamped into it. That will be the model and serial number. However the diesel tractors were bad for being corroded away due to leaking battery acid. There are a few other things to look for that will tell you if it's an 861 or not. One being the engine casting number. Google will help decode those since there were multiple throughout the years. The 800/801 tractors also have a larger rearend. Easiest way to tell this is the PTO. The spot where the shaft bolts to it will be almost flush with the housing. A 600/601 will have a protrusion out the rearend for the shaft. Drawbar hanger will also be longer than on a 600. Transmissions are interchangeable so nothing really there to identify anything other than the numbers of gears and live-PTO. And finally the sheet metal, mainly hood and grille, are different on the 600/601 and 801. 800 look similar to a 600.

I would like to know why Ford changed their color scheme to the Blue? The old color scheme looks better and looks do make a difference even in tractors.

@chickenhousemechanic

Жыл бұрын

There was a lawsuit between Henry Ford and Harry Ferguson which led to the split between them that created the 8n. Later in the years Henry wanted nothing to do with red tractors and they decided to paint them blue. The dealers would even paint the older ones blue.

That 861 is about a 58r59 the 4000 bout a 64 in 1973 I bought a 5000 new when I got back from nam still have it got to use it shortly I own 6 chicken houses 60 x 600

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

861 is a 58. 4000 is a 64. Those 65-75 model tractors run forever. Also have a 68 3000 that is used regularly every year.

@tommybarley2871

2 жыл бұрын

I learned to drive on a 9n at 11 yrs old my granddaddy would buy them 8n an 9n for around 250 dollars he said in the early 40s that a new ford and 5 pieces of equip was 1195 dollars new

Damn that 4000 looks clumsy

Drawbar height?

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

The bracket height is 12" off the ground on the 861. I didn't measure the one on the 4000 but I believe it is 18-20". As for the actual drawbar itself it depends on which bar you have and how you install it. I was able to find a drop drawbar for the 4000 that will be blasted and painted but thats a ways off since I'm just now getting the chassis back together.

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When did ford build diesel engines in 800s and 900s you speak of?

@chickenhousemechanic

Жыл бұрын

1958 was the first one I believe. Even though the 01 series came out in late 57 I'm not sure any of those had the diesel engine. The 144ci and 172ci 4-cylinder diesels ran from 1958-1964. Ford then changed to the 3 cylinder in the 2000-4000 and the 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder in the larger tractors.

Hey your video have helped me out so much on my 861d that im restoring just purchased another 172 diesel but cant figure out what my old 172 is could you help me ? The number on block is B9NN6015B it runs amazing just want to know the history of it please thank you

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I try to be thorough and give as much information as I can without being long winded. As for that engine block, that's a late 59 to early 60 casting for a 172 diesel engine. Might be a sleeved block but not sure about the balancer on that particular block. I absolutely love my 861-D. Use it as much as I can.

@nicholasthurston2018

2 жыл бұрын

@@chickenhousemechanic oh wow thank you so much would it have balancing gears in it or no and is that a good engine block or no because my other 172 i like better for the fact that is casted for a spin on oil filter where my old one has an adapter plate on it

@chickenhousemechanic

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasthurston2018 I'm not exactly sure when the balancer came out. The service manual gives a tractor serial number as to when it came out but of course that is stamped on the transmission and not the engine. Only way to tell would be in pull oil pan off and check. The block should be fine though.

@nicholasthurston2018

2 жыл бұрын

@@chickenhousemechanic alright thank you when i get the numbers off my other engine i would like to see if you can tell me what it is thanks for the help cant wait to see your 4000 when its done thats my dream tractor other than my 861