Finaly you are back. Thank you for your work brother. God bless you

NICE, it’s been a while. Glad you’re back

I've been waiting for this. Glad you're back

Great job 👏 thank you

When you get this all done, you should put it on a DVD. I would gladly buy a copy.

@ggesman7811

3 жыл бұрын

Because you have it on slides, it would make a great book too.

Fascinating study. I have heard on the Ps 22: “My God, My God…” that Matthew is using a Northern/Galilean dialect of Aramaic/Syriac (where Levi/Matthew was from), while the Mark parallel uses the Babylonian dialect, suggested from John Mark’s accompanying Peter there as referenced in his epistle. I had never registered the difference previously.

Thank you for the teachings. It is very helpful. Russ from Oregon

Happy belated Septuagint day brother. :-)

Keep posting!

Wow, excellent work.

I have watched and listened to almost all of these videos. You do an excellent job describing the history of Christianity and the comparison of the Septuagint and Masoretic text. Please make more videos when possible and may the Lord Jesus bless you on this path. Thank you.

Excellent video once again brother, It’s been a while. Hope you’re doing well and staying safe.

very good

August??? 🥶😭 soo loonggg. Thanks for your work. Really interesting!

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is a long time. I have good news: move (non-Septuagint) videos will come out before August! :) God bless!

@mattmcd1627

3 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch that is good news! Thanks for making the videos! I bought a septuigent thanks to you haha 😄

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattmcd1627 That's wonderful! I'm sure you will enjoy using it!

⁠I usually don't like to copy and paste things into YT comments. However, on the question of Mat27:9 and the Apostle's reference to Jeremiah, I'll make an exception. Others might find this discussion by the learned John Gill interesting and helpful. On this verse, Dr. Gill provides several reasons to stand behind the Jeremiah reading as reasonable and congruent to context. This isn't a closed case: I'm continuing to ponder the passage and the quotation, but as I do I find these thoughts instructive: JOHN GILL: Through the purchasing of the potter's field with the thirty pieces of silver, the price that Christ was valued at, a prophecy in the writings of the Old Testament had its accomplishment: *but about this there is some difficulty.* The evangelist here says it was spoken by Jeremy the prophet; whereas in his prophecy there is no mention of any such thing. *There is indeed an account of his buying his uncle Hanameel's son's field, in Jeremiah 32:7* but not a word of a potter, or a potter's field, or of the price of it, thirty pieces of silver; and that as a price at which he, or any other person was valued; but the passage which is manifestly referred to, stands in Zechariah 11:12 , where are these words, "and I said unto them, if ye think good, give me my price, and if not, forbear; so they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver: and the Lord said unto me, cast it unto the potter, a goodly price that I was prized at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord." The removing of this difficulty, it might be observed, that the Syriac and Persic versions make no mention of any prophet's name, only read, "which was spoken by the prophet"; and so may as well be ascribed to Zechariah, as to Jeremy, and better: *but it must be owned, that Jeremy is in all the Greek copies, in the Vulgate Latin, Arabic, and Ethiopic versions, and in Munster's Hebrew Gospel.* Various things are said for the reconciling of this matter: * some have thought that Zechariah had two names, and that besides Zechariah, he was called Jeremy; but of this there is no proof. * *Jerome affirms, that in an Hebrew volume, being an apocryphal work of Jeremy, which was shown him by one of the Nazarene sect, he read these words verbatim: so that though they do not stand in the writings of Jeremy, which are canonical Scripture, yet in an apocryphal book of his,* and which may as well be referred to, as the book of Maccabees, the traditions of the Jews, the prophecies of Enoch, and the writings of the Heathen poets. * Moreover, *Mr. Mede has laboured, by various arguments, to prove, that the four last chapters of Zechariah were written by Jeremy,* in which this passage stands; and if so, the reason is clear, for the citation in his name. (see: Mede's Works, p. 963, 1022, 1023) * But what seems best to solve this difficulty, is, that the order of the books of the Old Testament is not the same now, as it was formerly: the sacred writings were divided, by the Jews, into three parts: the first was called the law, which contains the five books of Moses; the second, the prophets, which contains the former and the latter prophets; the former prophets began at Joshua, and the latter at Jeremy; the third was called Cetubim (Ketuvim), or the Hagiographa, the holy writings, which began with the book of Psalms: now, as this whole third and last part is called the Psalms, Luke 24:44 , because it began with that book; so all that part which contained the latter prophets, for the same reason, beginning at Jeremy, might be called by his name; hence a passage, standing in the prophecy of Zechariah, who was one of the latter prophets, might be justly cited, under the name of Jeremy. That such was the order of the books of the Old Testament, is evident from the following passage: "it is a tradition of our Rabbins, that the order of the prophets is, Joshua and Judges, Samuel and the Kings, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, Isaiah, and the twelve." (T. Bab. Bava Bathra, fol. 14. 2. Vid. Praefat. R. David Kimchici in Jer.) * Moreover, it is usual with them to say that the spirit of Jeremiah was in Zechariah (see: Sepher Hagilgulim apud Surenhus. Biblos Katallages, p. 41.); and it is very plain, that the latter prophets have many things from the former; and so might Zechariah have this originally from Jeremy, which now stands in his prophecy: all this would be satisfactory to a Jew: and it is to be observed, that the Jew, who objects to everything he could in the evangelist, with any appearance on his side, and even objects to the application of this prophecy; yet finds no fault with him for putting Jeremy for Zechariah. (see: R. Isaac Chizzuk Emuna, par. 2. c. 25. p. 412.)

@PostApostolicChurch

5 ай бұрын

I really like how John Gill lays everything out. He certainly has a way of presenting the evidence and having an open and analytical mind. I think so many of those possible theories are very, very good. As for me, I put more weight into the OLDEST of sources. That is why I believe the Diatessaron and the Peshitta presents the most likely theory: that the name of the prophet was not written by Matthew in his original. But I very much appreciate you sharing all the information above!! God bless you!

"Then that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled" I dont think this should be interpreted as he is about to tell us what Jeremiah said. I think when Matthew wrote this, he was explaining that what he said before saying this phrase was fulfilled. Jeremiah 32 is the narrative I believe Matthew was referring to. I am not convinced that Matthew was actually quoting Jeremiah when he wrote, “Then that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled.” This is where punctuation in the translations can kill your understanding. When Matthew wrote the quote above, I think he was actually saying that what he had said previously is the fulfillment of Jeremiah’s prophecy. Then, by using Zechariah’s actual quote, he was giving the notion that Zechariah was talking about the same thing that Jeremiah was, but in a further progressed revelation of the prophecy. I haven’t had as much time to dig as deep into this as I would like. With that being said, I kind of wish that I chose this passage to study through this class. To understand this passage, we have got to know how Judas Iscariot died, and understand all the passages that post-mortem talk about Judas Iscariot in the New Testament. Peter in Acts 1 “seems” to state that Judas died in a different way than Matthew does if you don’t know anything about the Old Testament when you read it. But actually, Matthew and Peter agree perfectly. Peter is stating the fulfillment of Jeremiah’s prophecy, just like Matthew did. Where in Jeremiah? Jeremiah chapter 32. Jeremiah 32:9 describes buying a field in Anathoth (three miles from Jerusalem) for 17 shekels of silver. Some might read that and think it has nothing to do with the 30 pieces of silver that Judas “bought his field” with. But I would disagree. Jeremiah 7 was the message of rebuke that Jeremiah was to give the Jews in Judah, which was later presented in Jeremiah 18 and 19 by the breaking of the potter’s vessel. Without going into full detail, I think that the Potter’s vessel, Judah, shekels, and the field all work together with what is said in the New Testament.

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing that info. If it wasn't for "Jeremiah" not appearing in the Diatessaron and the Peshitta, looking into what you're saying would be beneficial. It would be a way to connect Various parts of Jeremiah to Matthew 27:9a. However, I think the Diatessaron and Peshitta provide a simpler and easier answer. God bless you!

@craigime

5 ай бұрын

Your explanation is much better actually... the Diatessaron and the Peshitta is simply not enough to dismiss Jeremiah's name here. We don't just choose readings because it's "easier"

I really wanna know the origin of the prophecy Mathew spoke of, in chap.1 "He shall be called nazarene". Nowhere to find in the Scriptures. Maybe is a synthesis of all the other prophecies, condensed

The explanation of "Jeremiah" is very good. Thanks for sharing this precious knowledge! However, I googled the "apostolic constitutions" and found that there are 8 books of the Constitutions, but you wrote vol 9 at 15:32. Does it mean that there are 9 books? Where online can I find the two quotations from ANF? What is ANF? Thanks ! Anyway, you are very right that the Aramaic Matt does not have "Jeremiah" in 27:9.

@ClothedByGrace

4 ай бұрын

ANF stands for Anti-Nicean Fathers, Volume 1, translated by A. Roberts et al. and published in 1913

WHY DO YOU ONLY POST ONCE A YEAR

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. It's my goal to continue the Septuagint series twice a year. Sadly, I missed posting in August. :( For 2021, there will be more videos coming! I guess this channel has been on a hiatus for a while. But it is time for this hiatus to end!

@williamdavidfrancavilla7388

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I do enjoy this channel a lot. Not because I agree with everything, but because a healthy dialogue is rolling.

@kevinbarry1947

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamdavidfrancavilla7388 same!

Good content! Are you Catholic/Orthodox?

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking. I am not Catholic nor Orthodox. But I have much respect for those Christian groups. God bless!

Will you finish the series on the Divinity? And if so, will you make any regarding The Son?

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking. Yes, I will be working on the videos on God the Father this week. I'm ready to finish it! After that, yes, I will make a series of videos on the Son. God bless you!

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

@Alain Delon Thanks for asking about that. I am not planning on making a video about that. When it comes to the Father's and the Son's specific roles, I think the gospel of John and the letter to the Romans is the best place to look for that. I'm sure the early Christians wrote a lot about those details, but I think John and Romans explain their roles well enough. God bless!

I would like you to look into the myth of the Council of Jamnia. It didn’t happen. You said it did. You can look in the Mishna. A couple Protestants brought it up long ago and I may be wrong but you went with it.

I think Jeremiah was the original one. Why should the majority contain it when all know its mostly quoted from zechariah.

Not to be negative or knocking you down , but masoretic text was created between 6 ad to 10 ad . They aren't following the masoretic but rather masoretic follows them. I might be wrong. However I follow your work. Thank you

@sage7309

3 жыл бұрын

You can check Post-apostolic's other videos pertaining to the septuagint to learn about the masoretic. The masoretic as it is today, using vowels, was edited to be as it is now sometime around 900 AD. When the new testament "quotes" the masoretic It means the parent materials of the masoretic, or the hebrew used to make the masoretic before vowels were added.

About Jeremiah. James White has suggested that, in Jesus's day, the Jews had scrolls of the prophets. According to him, the smaller prophets, were all in one scroll, and if you wanted to find a reference from them easily, beside a reference to a bigger prophet, you wouldn't say "As Jeremiah and Zacharia the prohpets said:...", you'd just say "As Jeremiah the prophet said". It's a little compliant, and I'm a little confused by his explanation myself, but effectively what he's saying was, because of how the Jews compiled the prophets into scrolls in the 1st century, and because of the way they would refer to one big prophet when quoting 2 or more prophets, they would only refer to the big one. That is though, if we grant that Jeremiah was originally in Matthew there.

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. I have also heard that the scrolls were combined. I have heard that they combined the major prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel) into one scroll and the minor prophets into another. If this is the case, the error still exists because Jeremiah is in the major prophet scroll and Zechariah is in the minor prophet scroll. As you say, it's possible that Matthew said "Jeremiah" to refer to all the prophets, but I'm not sure why he would choose to do that. God bless you!

@gamerjj777

2 жыл бұрын

Mark does that in first chapter saying isaiah and also quoting malachi

@russellmcdade5776

Жыл бұрын

I believe this is the best explanation, the scrolls of the minor prophets were kept with the major prophets. And were called by the name of the major prophet.

I can’t remember which post you talk about the council of Jamnia. This is a myth! I would like you to do some more homework and tell us all about this council.

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking. I talk about Jamnia around the middle of the fourth video in this series. God bless! kzread.info/dash/bejne/iplotJuNmLGnZco.html

I think this video is fundamentally wrong in comparing the LXX and MT in this manner. The impression is given that the MT existed at the time of the LORD JESUS. The Encyclopedia Britannica says that the MT was compiled between 6th and 10th AD. So the LORD JESUS nor the writers of the NT ever read the MT because it never existed. So would somebody please explain the purpose of this particular video?

@jacoba4669

3 жыл бұрын

@@raymack8767 Dear Brother, What is preventing the preparation of a Standard Text, that can be recognized universally as correct as far as possible? Money, motivation or non access to key manuscripts? Or lack of scholars for the task?

@raymack8767

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacoba4669 The NETS Bible does exist but can be improved upon.

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Jacob, I am well aware that the MT did not exist when Jesus lived. What we are able to compare is the Septuagint as it exists today, and the Masoretic as it exists today. The purpose of these videos is to ask: how does today's Septuagint and today's Masoretic compare to today's New Testament? With the answer to that, we will know whether today's Masoretic or today's Septuagint is the more reliable Old Testament. God bless you!

@raymack8767

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacoba4669 The Masoretic texts (MT), upon which the Tanakh is based, was corrupted; even the Talmud/Mishnah (good for historical place markers but not much else) says the Masoretic texts (medieval ones used by the KJV, NIV, NASB, etc) were corrupted as the Talmud/Mishnah describes conflicting texts, contradictions, and multiple, competing rabbis intentionally altering scriptures ultimately corrupting it). Jws also used the Septuagint (translated in the mid 3rd century BC) and far older than the MT which isn't original scripture and not a BC text. Paleo Hebrew, used after Moses' time from the 12th to 6th century BC (around 2,000 years older than the MT), gave way to Square Hebrew (around 1,300 years older than the MT), which eventually gave way to Greek, as evidenced by the Septuagint, around 1,000 years than the MT. The Septuagint predates Christianity, was used when Greek became the lingua franca, and its use in synagogues by Jews around the Mediterranean was substantial. Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint (LXX) within the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) preserve the originals, and overwhelmingly disagree with the MT in numerous instances; the Septuagint predates Christianity and scrolls from it are also found within the Dead Sea Scrolls. 1.) Exodus 1:5 in the DSS Square Hebrew agrees with the Septuagint against tthe MT that all the souls from Jacob were 75, not 70, thus agreeing with St. Stephen in Acts 7:14. 2.) The older DSS, the Samaritan Pentateuch, Aramaic Targums, etc, agree with the Septuagint against the MT for Deut. 32:8-9 in using sons/angels of God and not sons of Israel. 3.) The DSS for Deuteronomy 32:43 lines up with the Septuagint against the MT saying the angels are to worship messiah. 4.) The Septuagint for 1 and 2 Samuel are backed up by 3 DSS and the MT is known among scholars as butchering 1 and 2 Samuel. 5.) The MT wrongly (some evidence for #4) laughably has Saul becoming king at age one and ruling for two years. 6.) The MT actually left out an entire line from Psalm 145 that the DSS and the Septuagint preserved, thus the so-called masters of vowel memorization not only forgot vowels but also consonants as well. 7.) Psalm 40:6(7): a messianic proof text for the Incarnation: The MT: Thou hast dug out my ears. The Septuagint: A body thou hast prepared me. 8.) Concerning another messianic psalm (Psalm 22:16), the DSS agrees with the Septuagint against the MT. 9.) Baruch, Sirach, Tobit, and Psalm 151 are written in Hebrew in the DSS. 10.) ▪︎The chronology of Genesis 11 and the year of the flood of the Paleo Hebrew and the Septuagint line up against the MT. Shem is not Melchizedek: ▪︎Literary sources before 100 AD that agree with the LXX: 2 Esdras, Josephus and Philo (30/70 AD) did not use the Septuagint to come to their conclusion that lines up with the Septuagint. ▪︎Eupolemus, the Jewish 2nd century BC historian's chronology, comes close to aligning with the Paleo Hebrew/Septuagint and not the MT. ▪︎Jewish Demetrius the Chronicler's (3rd century BC) chronology comes very close to the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and against the MT. *Justin Martyr said the scriptures in his time period were being altered.* See Jer. 8:8. The pre-AD Paleo Hebrew, Eupolemos, and Demetrius had no agenda. ▪︎biblearchaeology.org/research/biblical-chronologies/4349-mt-sp-or-lxx-deciphering-a-chronological-and-textual-conundrum-in-genesis-5 Since synagogues around the Mediterranean used Septuagint and Square Hebrew, even in Palestine, Greek was the lingua franca, Jesus grew up near Sepphoris where Hebrew and Greek were both spoken and where Joseph could ply his trade, Christ quoted the scriptures, spoke to the Syrophoenician woman, and Mark/Luke were written to Romans/Greeks, some will be hard-pressed to prove Jesus used only Hebrew. Outside Judea, close to 100% of the diaspora synagogue inscriptions are in Greek. In Judea, where the default language is Aramaic, 80% of these inscriptions are Greek. Some have said the Deuterocanon was never written in Hebrew but the DSS have proven that to be false as at least 3 so far (Baruch, Sirach, and Tobit of the Deuterocanon), have been found within the DSS written in Hebrew; using the word "recension" against them is a continual knee-jerk reaction to the Deuterocanon being written in Hebrew and a moving of the goal posts. Concerning key messianic scriptures, Catholics, Copts, Orthodox, and Protestants see that the leaven of the rabbis - and then the Masoretes - seemed to target scriptures that point to Jesus Christ. (Matthew 16:6). The Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint all agree with each other against the MT far more than they disagree, thus the starting point is to sideline the MT. There are dozens and dozens of instances where the Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint agree against the MT: By the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established. Deut. 19:15; 2 Cor. 13:1. Given that Septuagint scrolls were found with Paleo Hebrew and Square Hebrew scrolls in the DSS, one would again be hard-pressed to prove that Christians composed the Septuagint and, as well, the Torah was translated into Greek from 283-246 BC under Ptolemy II Philadelphus and the prophets and writings within the next 100 years. Septuagint Chronicles is quoted by Eupolemos in the middle of the 2nd century BC, and Septuagint Job by Pseudo-Aristeas in the beginning of the 1st century BC. The translation of Isaiah contains allusions to historical situations and events that point to the years 170-­150 BCE" (Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible, Emanuel Tov, p 131, 2012).* The Torah was translated into Greek from 283-246 BC under Ptolemy II Philadelphus and the prophets and writings for the Septuagint within the next 100 years. Thus the Septuagint was not created by Christianity but preceded it by centuries. So-called "Pre-Masoretic" is actually Square Hebrew and constitutes less than 5% of the full Tanakh. Septuagint fragments found at Qumran (Lev.), the Nahal Hever (Habbakuk, near Ein Gedi), date to 50 BC; there was almost exclusive use of Greek in all synagogue inscriptions everywhere in the world showing the proverbial torch had been passed vis-a-vis the Jewish translation of the Septuagint in the 3rd and 2nd century BC. The oldest manuscripts of the Septuagint include 2nd-century-BCE fragments of Leviticus and Deuteronomy (Rahlfs nos. 801, 819, and 957) and 1st-century-BCE fragments of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, and the Twelve Minor Prophets (Alfred Rahlfs nos. 802, 803, 805, 848, 942, and 943). Relatively-complete manuscripts of the Septuagint postdate the Hexaplar recension, and include the fourth-century-CE Codex Vaticanus and the fifth-century Codex Alexandrinus. These are the oldest-surviving nearly-complete manuscripts of the Old Testament in any language; the oldest extant complete Hebrew texts date to about 600 years later, from the first half of the 10th century. Ernst Würthwein, The Text of the Old Testament, trans. Errol F. Rhodes, Grand Rapids, Mich.: Wm. Eerdmans, 1995. The Septuagint, or LXX, is the oldest Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was begun in the mid third century BC by scholars in Alexandria, Egypt for an expanding community of Greek speaking Jews, and was completed no later than 117 BC. R. K. Harrison confirms its early use: "While there are certain differences in New Testament usage, there is no doubt that of all Greek versions the LXX was employed predominantly and that it enjoyed independent existence in the period just prior to the time of Christ." 8 The Septuagint was also most likely the standard Old Testament text used by the early Christian church. Early LXX material is included in the Rylands Papyrus 458, which dates back to 150 BC. From Ha'aretz: Israeli Scholars Discover Corrections, Erasures, Revisions in Oldest Biblical [Masoretic] Manuscript "Analysis of Leningrad Codex shows that about a millennium ago, there were several different versions of the Bible that evolved over time..." More there; the Masoretes themselves admitted they received corrupted texts. In addition, Early rabbinic sources, from around 200 CE, mention several passages of Scripture in which the conclusion is inevitable that the ancient reading must have differed from that of the present text. . . . Rabbi Simon ben Pazzi (3rd century) calls these readings “emendations of the Scribes” (tikkune Soferim; Midrash Genesis Rabbah xlix. 7), assuming that the Scribes actually made the changes. This view was adopted by the later Midrash and by the majority of Masoretes.

@craigime

5 ай бұрын

​@@jacoba4669I agree that when the septuagint agrees with the DSS or another version, it should be put in the text. Unfortunately we don't have such a critical text of the Old Testament and it's sad... as for Jacob's question on why we don't: 1. Money: it's not money. These organizations have more than enough money to fund a project this big. There are also no shortage of people who would donate to such a project... 2. Motivation: could be, but why would there be a lack of motivation for trying to get closer to the originals? Why would they not want to take much of the work off the backs of the translators by giving them a critical text to work with like they do with the new testament? 3. Non access to key manuscripts: that's highly unlikely. Which key manuscripts can they not assess? 4. Lack of scholars: this is definitely not the case. This is just my opinion, but it could either be that people aren't as concerned with the OT as they are with the NT, or they're afraid of the backlash from orthodox jews who have made the Masoretic text the standard.

Your evidence for Jeremiah not originally being in 27:9 is weak. That's not how textual criticism is done... it doesn't account for the rise of the other variant readings... it's the same as Mark 1:2 saying "as it is written in Isaiah the prophet" when the first part is from Mal. 3:1. It could be a proclivity to use a quote from a minor prophet but put it under the name of a more prominent one. That's the best explanation for the evidence. Jeremiah, being the harder reading, is certainly the original reading since the variants clearly show that scribes were uncomfortable with it. One witness has the word Zechariah, one witness actually has the word "Isaiah", and two witnesses leave out the prophet's name completely (I'm speaking of Greek witnesses here). But the vast majority of witness say Jeremiah (including the translations). Jeremiah is undoubtedly the original reading and There's no reason to think otherwise. The Diatessaron and the Peshitta hold almost no weight here.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for commenting. It looks like your angle on this topic is to look at the Greek witnesses. You listed the results of what the witnesses say. Which witnesses are you referring to? My angle on this topic is to look at manuscripts over history. Being an historian, I first research what history has to say. I would like to challenge you when it comes to textual criticism. One aspect of textual criticism is the age of a manuscript. An important tenet (among many important tenets) is that "the older the manuscript, the more accurate it is." Therefore, the Diatessaron and the Peshitta hold a lot of weight when it comes to textual criticism. They are witnesses how Matthew was read in their day. I would like to hear more of what you are talking about. There are other tenets of textual criticism. If there is a Greek witness that helps shed light on this topic, I'm interested in what those witnesses say. God bless you!

@craigime

5 ай бұрын

@PostApostolicChurch perhaps you misunderstood what I said. I didn't just mention the Greek witnesses; I said the vast majority of the witnesses *including the translations* have Jeremiah... the "tenent" of textual criticism isn't just "the older the manuscripts the more accurate it is"; it's the older the manuscripts, the closer it is in time to the originals, and is most likely correct. That is not always the case. An "Alexandrian" manuscript (which is older) can be trumped by a "Byzantine" manuscript (which is more recent). One of these "tenets" is "which reading best explains the rise of the other variants?" Just like "Isaiah" does for Mark 1:2, Jeremiah does for Matthew 27:9. Obviously people knew that an exact quote couldn't be found in Jeremiah, and that the reading more closely resembles the verse in Zechariah, so they were uncomfortable with it. Hence we have variants like Zechariah, Isaiah and a few without a name. The Peshitta and the Diatessaron, which are translations of the same language which may or may not have translated from a Greek copy without a name, and which we have few or no ancient copies of, holds almost no weight; because, again, it doesn't adequately account for the rise of the other variants. So Jeremiah is without doubt the original reading. It could be, like I and a few others have said, that it was common to use the name of a more prominent prophet when quoting a minor prophet as is the case in Mark 1:2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but although the NT quotes several minor prophets, they don't mention them by name. They don't say "as malachi said" etc... it could be, like another comment mentioned, that Matthew is also making a reference to Jeremiah 32 while also using the Zechariah passage... either way, the reading "Jeremiah" on both external and internal grounds is the superior reading.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 ай бұрын

@@craigime I'm glad you see that textual criticism is about valuing the older manuscripts over new ones. I presented the Peshitta and the Diatessaron as the witnesses to the point I was trying to make. In order to believe something as true or accurate, people should require evidence. Will you share your evidence, please? That is, what Greek witnesses are you talking about? What Greek witnesses talk about how these variants showed up?

@craigime

5 ай бұрын

@PostApostolicChurch you didn't read anything I said did you? Because I clearly said that textual criticism isn't just saying the older manuscripts are more accurate.... if you actually paid attention, i took my time to explain why the Peshitta and the Diatessaron holds little weight in this instance. please read what I say carefully before replying... now as for the last thing you asked, do you want me to give you the names of the greek manuscripts where those variants occur?

@PostApostolicChurch

5 ай бұрын

​@@craigime Yes, I asked for the names of the Greek manuscripts that you say have the variants.

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@Zipfreer

2 жыл бұрын

Lol your following false narratives of Jesuits futurism try again..lean the proper context of scriptures historical prophecy of scriptures!

@lindsaymarksmith2677

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zipfreer You are saying that not against me but the Holy Spirit he said and gave it I put SELF to the side you dammed mocker I have no pride in this you are spiting on me the death of my mum and dad that I said with words that where not my own that they would not last the 1st lockdown and they didn't and that put me in a place to ask God in faith from a place of brokenness with a contrite heart as the bible says and the Holy Spirit answered me the same small still voice that years ago put me on the road to Jesus so you are mocking him blaspheming him doing the unforgivable sin and 1/2 of what he said has happened making you a fool take your leaven and place it where the sun doesn't shin. You place opinion of religious men over God. After I say most of what I have not all because some of this is not for you now I will mark and avoid you so you remember that blasphemer of the Holy Spirit false accuser spiting your dung out your mouth let your blood run cold when Obama is back in power in the USA you get the leader you deserve and he is not voted into power not given the honour I will not tell you some things because again you mocked and scoffed at the Holy Spirit not me. You are not of Jesus he would never laugh at anyone like that you show you are of the world in how you talked I warn as salt with savour what evil thing you did not against me but the Holy Spirit of God. God knows dame well better than you this is not my bloody opinion this was far from what I thought but the Holy Spirit is true and you are dung. You spit and piss on me on the passing of my mum and dad and on the Holy Spirit of God you trample his peals have gave making you as Jesu said a swine and a dog. So religious person with no relationship with Jesus you are as they 2000 year ago you take religious opinion like they did and place it above God as if it was from God an idol in your mind you accuse me of the very thing you are. I have no pleaser in being salt with savour for you but I tell you what you did that is on you. You have said the Holy Spirit that said this said a false thing you accuse the Holy Spirit of God of being a lair how dame well dare you do that to him. because of your hate because you are leavened as with Satan he says to some a truth with a lie in it and they having no discernment like you take that in and are fully leavened doesn't mater you have some truth the leaven you have makes all bad and others seeing the lie in the truth reject all they are cold and in this Satan has won over you because you are lukewarm you are playing in his game you are part of it and will be cut off. You think saying a thing from God is being some other denomination dung there is no black or white there is no denomination in Jesus I follow him not religion of men you ignorant blasphemer. You accuse me of being a thing I am not I did not trust the opinion of religious men I had the holy Spirit show me I cast all the dung away and had the Holy Spirit show me things in my walk and he said and gave this what he did in the spirit and the understanding and you spit piss and shat on him like a dirty dog. Jesus would tell off or warn in love I am not saying this in anger only you condemn yourself not me no true believer would lol at something anyone said if they said it came from the Holy Spirit you are not of Jesus and far from him you act as the world because you are of the world and have no love in you for him and the truth.

@lindsaymarksmith2677

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zipfreer When you have a warning of things to come soon in the spirit from the Holy Spirit as a watchman you have to sound the alarm. Obama is the man of sin and is the 8th and of the 7, Daniel 11:21 and Revelation 17:11. Trump is the 6th and is the king that is and he is turning his face towards the fort of his own land and shall stumble and fall and not be found, Daniel 11:19 and Revelation 17:10. Biden is the 7th and shall only be in power a short time and will be known as a raiser of taxes, Daniel 11:20 and Revelation 17:10 he must continue a short space. This came to me in the spirit from the Holy Spirit when asking for discernment about Revelation 17:10-11 KJV in June 2020. I have tested the spirit and it is the Holy Spirit he has done so much in my life bringing me from the world and to Jesus and this is what the Holy Spirit said to me in my spirit when I came and asked God believing like a child trusts a parent fully and without question and in humbleness. Revelation 17:10-11 KJV And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Donald Trump was the sixth king the "one is". And Trump is at the point in Daniel 11 19. Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found. The other not yet come and is in for a short space is Joe Biden that is the raiser of taxes from Daniel 11 20. Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. Barack Obama is the eighth and he was of the previous kings before him and he is the person in Daniel 11 21. And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Obama is that man of sin and this isn't my opinion or understanding I didn't even consider him I am just saying what came to me when I asked for discernment we will see the next USA president raise taxes and only in a short time. Obama will not be voted in "they shall not give the honour of the kingdom" but talk his way back into power "but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.". Also people say but there are so many presidents how is Trump the 6th and I have said all I know is what I got in the spirit then I said to someone Ronald Reagan was the 1st to bring in noahide laws. Ronald Reagan was the 1st president to sign a proclamation 4921 saying that the noahide laws are the moral foundation of America's character, that the Noahide Laws are a moral code for all regardless of faith, and from that time all have signed these into law. If you count from Reagan to Trump then Trump is the 6th. Also Revelation 17:10 is meant to be known when it happens because it says "and one is" and that is present tense so that prophecy is to be known when the 6th leader is in power why else would Jesus give to John to use present tense in prophecy. The Holy Spirit said the one after Trump will be used by Obama to get back into power with flatteries and not being voted back into power. I do not know how this happens I am just saying what I got from the Holy Spirit. But there is one thing I seen recently. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announcing legislation that would create a commission to allow Congress to intervene under the amendment and remove the president from executive duties. She said this is not for Trump but for presidents after Trump that are mentally or physically impaired. With this they can move power from a president that is not able to perform there duties and move it to another that is not the VP. This came to me in the spirit from the Holy Spirit and I have had other things happen in my life that I know was from the Holy Spirit. This is not my opinion or from my understanding I did not consider Obama before this or have him in mind and when I had this come to me I didn't even want to share it at 1st because I know what people are like. But when you see danger you must say and this is a warning of what is coming soon. Believe or don't but at least remember because it is coming soon and when you see know time is very short and we all need Jesus and he is coming. The "virus" looks like it is the strong delusion in all the world and something like that cant happen unless the restrainer is taken away from holding the evil back. I am saying this now as a warning of what is coming not even so I am believed but so when it happens people will know that it is true and if they are not saved will turn to Jesus and to everyone else will warn others that we are at the door and look at Daniel 7:25 "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." The head that has a deadly wound is of the beast kingdom not the actual person. The 5th head that is Obama was and was in power as long as he should and should never be a head/leader/president again. it says "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death" That doesn't say the head was wounded it is saying it was like it was wounded "as it were" That wound is the fact the head cant have power again but that 5th head that is Obama when he gets power back is the deadly wound being healed and he becomes the 8th and of the 7. Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." Daniel 11:33-35 "And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.". The man of sin will have his time and he will overcome the believers and we that truly believe in Jesus are to be sheep to the slaughter and we need to no mater what happens stand for Jesus and not fall away. All heads accepted the Noahide laws from that small people that say they are the light of the world but reject Jesus with Reagan as the 1st making him the 1st head. 1st head Ronald Reagan, 2nd head George Bush, 3rd head Bill Clinton, 4th head George W. Bush, 5th head Barack Obama, 6th head Donald J. Trump, 7th head only in power a short time is Joseph R. Biden and the 8th head the last ever USA president is also the 5th head and of the 7 Barack Obama. This is what the Holy Spirit gave to me after what happened to my mum and dad last year. I said at the start of the 1st lockdown with words that where not my own they would not last the lockdown I have had things come out my mouth from no place then happen since I was a child and other things and after they passed on I humbled my self asked God what I did and the Holy Spirit that small still voice answered me and said what he did and I was in shock. What he said is not from me I didn't think any of this before hand I am not an American and I don't care about politics but this is what he gave me and is not an opinion or interpretation. Obama will use Biden to talk his way back into power with flatteries and Obama having two terms made that like a deadly wound to that position of power he should not be a head/leader of the USA beast again but will be and when he does that is the deadly wound healed and the fifth seal will be opened and the trumpets will sound soon after.

@lindsaymarksmith2677

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zipfreer I had a narrow path experience when I was younger. I was walking home at night and looked up the road to my home and seen a gang of people. I seen in what I can only think was a vision that they where going to surround me and beat and kick me. So I looked and thought well there is the road on the left and right it would be longer but it is easier paths and I heard in my self a small still voice say if I did it would be worse for me and felt it would just be more pain but I could die if I did. So I said to my friend that was with me when we walk up this strait road to my home there people will surround me and said to him when they do he has to run to my home and tell my father. So we walked up and the surrounded me and my friend ran and they beat me and kicked me all over the pavement and into the middle of the road. But in the end my father came and the people ran off and he helped me back to my home. And I could not see at the time the prophetic meaning in all this. Going up the strait and narrow path if you stumble I will come and help you and not to turn to the left or right path because they are easier and will lead to death but I thank God for that day because it showed me he can use hard things for his good it changed me over time to seek him and I seen the message. So I thank God every day for his love and patience. After the lockdown in the UK stated I said an odd thing to my ex that my mum and dad would not last the lockdown. My mum and dad where okay and I was talking to my dad again I said an odd thing the last two times I talked to him that he had to turn the other cheek and forgive others before he "passes on" my dad said not to preach to him he would not listen and had bitterness for my ex partner. Then my mum got ill and went into hospital then when my mum was getting better he got ill and had to go into hospital. Then he died on the 10th of April then resurrection Sunday was on the 12th and then my mum died on the 14th all over Passover. I am still trying to deal with that with all the madness from the so called "virus". Point is I was saying thing from no place and this is not the 1st time it happened in my life. When I was 15 my dad told me to go to the shops so okay that should be okay I did that loads of times before the shop was right over the road to where we lived. This time I stopped and said to him out my mouth from no place if I go out I will be bottled. This went on a bit my dad didn't listen and I went out to the hop and coming back a group of guys got in front of me and one from behind me bottled me overt he head and I ran home. Now I have had times like that a couple of times just saying thing from no place and it happened. I had a dream once of a car crash where I lived as a child I seen a school and the shops next to it and flats. it disturbed me not like any dream I had and 3 days later a family member died in a car crash where I dreamed it happened. I am not saying any of this to puff my self up because I am not and it is hard talking about some of this but these thing I know was from the Holy Spirit not from me and turned me to Jesus and I just don't want people to be blind to what is coming. I was in a bad relationship my ex was paranoid would get physically and verbally violent if I seen any woman be it on TV or outside so I stopped watching TV haven't watched it since 2001 and I stopped even going out side because every time I did she would think I was looking at women it wasn't easy but I loved her and wanted to show her that well it didn't word it wasn't as bad but she still found excuses to get mad. So after about 13 years of this I couldn't take any more I was on my last strew and it says God will only give you what you can handle so I asked on my face in absolute faith for help. If I left my ex she would use my kids as weapons against me say I ran away and so on and I couldn't have my kids be used that way and knew the only thing that would set me free was if I found she was doing things behind my back so I asked God to set me free. Three days later my ex came up into the room and I said to her out of no place I know what you been doing on facebook. Now I don't know where that came from because I didn't have any idea at all but her face turned white and I was like what she did something. Then she said well you know now then we are over and she said that she was chatting another man up over facebook so I got what I prayed for a way out it wasn't nice and hard but I got free of a bad relationship and my kids where not used as weapons. When I eventually had a place to go and was going out I stopped and said to her from no place again she will never have another child. She is the type of woman that loves having babies and from that time on she has tried a lot but ever time she has miscarried. So this is just some of the thing but I will put the one that started to change me and turn me from the world and on the road to Jesus now. Coming to Jesus on my face after over 20 years of being in bondage to addition just like with my ex coming to Jesus in belief like a child trusting a parent in humbleness, meekness and tears truly believing fully on Jesus and not my self asking to be free from the bondage of addiction and then having that addiction just lifted off me with no withdrawals nothing just gone wasn't my power not believing on my self or trying to do strange things to make my self give it up. All I had to do was truly believe and have faith like a child in a parent and it is hard to get to that point as an adult but if you can and let all go and truly believe and trust Jesus fully he can do anything.

@lindsaymarksmith2677

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zipfreer And under this my old post to show you are in the 4th seal and at the door of the 5th seal that is the 3 and 1/2 years of persecution Daniel 7 25 said and is the 42 months that the believers that are the spiritual temple are trampled this is to refine them as silver and gold and is not wrath god is longsuffering and many need this to come truly to him then after the 3 and 1/2 years Obama gets the 6th seal when Jesus comes and give the world the wrath of God and gets his true people the born again believers living and dead and gathers them all and gives them new flesh as Ezekiel 37 said and they go into the promised 7th day of rest that last 1000 years that is the last day and at the end of that the last war of Gog and Magog. Revelation 20:8 King James Version 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Then the judgment. Then the 8th day of new beginnings where there is a new heaven and new earth where there is no more death or sin and the believers are with Jesus forever. ------------------------------------------------- The four beasts are kingdoms the last world kingdoms in order there descriptions are given. The Lion is always been the symbol of the UK it also actual had it on all four then later on standing on two legs. As the white horse is went out conquering most of the world when it was the world power controlling a lot of the world. The Bear is and has been the symbol of Russia for a very long time as well and many know the Russian bear well and they are also known as the reds. The bear when it got up and devoured much flesh is when it when Communist and killed thousands upon thousand of people for its cause and most where Christian getting murdered and no one cares about that holocaust and it is known who the bolshevik are of you know the people that hate Jesus. The red horse what can I say o look its the reds and it has a sword and we know from the bible the prophetically a sword in words like the one out of Jesus's mouth or the one we need to have with the armour of God. There sword went into the world saying words on how then need to get rid of people and it ended up from words to killing a lot of people in its name. The leopard with the four wings of a fowl o look four wings what can it be a symbol of? Well why not look at the nation that had the world power after Russia. And we have Nazi Germany with its swastika "four wings" and its fast cat like attacking army that swiftly won wars and took a lot of the world. And we have the black horse and isn't the Nazi Germans well known for that colour during that time and do you remember that because of the war there was rationing all over the world. "A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine." That was the rationing during that time and they protected the vineyards to make sure the wine was okay because and army the size it had doesn't work unless there is drink to make the men happy does it. Remember the occupation of France and how that most of the resistance was using the vineyards because it was a safe place the Germans where protecting them. "Fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.". So what world power came after Nazi Germany? It was the good old USA. The same USA that clearly is known as a people of many nations a diverse kingdom. It goes it makes war devours and brakes kingdoms that it makes war with saying its doing to to help them or because they are the evil people when the people they attack are mostly not bothered before hand but I bet now they are angry with the USA killing there men women and kids. "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn" During this time the place that was Palestine was taken and given to the people that say they are the light of the world but reject Jesus and in doing so reject God. That little horn speak things against the most high. Now we have the fourth horse "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." This can only be the USA with it constant wars with the fourth part of the earth that being the middle east brings death to them and leaving hell every place it goes. The diverse beast has a mouth of a lion and the lion that is the UK mouth/language is English and the mouth/language of the USA is the same as the lion English. A thing that was then was not and is again and rejected Jesus is not God's people they that do not have the son do not have God. They that are of the flesh and where disowned cut out of the tree they say they are the light but reject the light that is Jesus. True born again Israel born again saved by adoption into the one saved people and have the promise not by flesh or blood but because of faith and grace in Jesus. Romans 9:8 KJV "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Physically born Israel vs spiritual born again Israel the older brother vs the younger brother. look at the the examples where older brother is not of God but the younger is like Cain and Able, Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob, The older and younger son from the parable of the prodigal son. the older is always jealous of the younger because the promise goes to the younger and the older hates the younger this is examples of physical Israel that rejects Jesus and born again believes that is spiritual Israel. There is the Israel that is above them that are in Jesus and the Israel in the world that is in bondage and is not saved. Physical Jesus rejecting Israel Babylon the whore on the back of the USA beast “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”