my relationship to columbine is that i’m a columbine alumni (class of 2013). the shadow of the national level trauma that’s still so ever present mixed with the mundanities of math class has only gotten more difficult as that period of my life drifts further into memory

@AntiMasonic93

4 ай бұрын

I heard there are several bullet holes that are visible in the commons area/cafeteria. Also, I heard there were more than two shooters based on the info in the 11k reports. Maybe you could corroborate this.

@sherikrupp

4 ай бұрын

@@AntiMasonic93they weren’t literally there. They graduated in 2013. There were two shooters. Initial reports of more were incorrect. Practice your reading comprehension and don’t interrogate strangers on the internet over conspiracy theories.

@DeemoandPuff

3 ай бұрын

@@AntiMasonic93This is so inappropriate on so many levels. There were only two shooters. Initial reports were wrong. Kids were confused bc some saw the shooters with their jackets on, others after they had taken their jackets off, etc. You should have respected this person’s willingness to share their story and not use their trauma to answer your questions and bolster your fetishization of the event.

I live in Japan where gun violence is practically non-existent. My...do I call it 'training'? 'Indoctrination'? My experiences growing up in America made me hypervigilant about student safety. One of my first experiences as a teacher in Japan was the day after the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, all my students in class after class had questions about it. I was teaching one on one lessons at the time, and like...*everybody* had heard about it on the news and so I was just being asked by people why it happened and what the US government was going to do...I can't remember how many lessons it was before I just burst into tears because all day I had been explaining not only the state of things in the US, but also my personal experiences of growing up in the hunting grounds of the 2002 DC Sniper Attacks (I used to live close to the Beltway), how I used to work in the mall and one of the stores got shot up (for three months I would walk past that store as it was shut down while they cleaned and hired new staff), how my schools had active shooter drills and my jobs had run, hide, fight training videos. And my town was relatively safe. I tried to stay professional but these people just kept asking *why* this stuff happens. I tried to explain the NRA and right wing activists and how I KNEW it sounded stupid, I KNEW it wasn't a good explanation for so many dead people. Sorry for the ramble. Just needed a break from the video and...felt the need to share. Thanks again for all your hard work.

@lolly9804

7 ай бұрын

They should have given you a break, and looked it up in their own time. But I've literally seen white co workers asking dumb questions about what living through a civil war was like to a Somali refugee. So I already don't have high opinion of humanity in general...

@jospinner1183

6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure how I'd answer if I was asked by a bunch of non-Americans why we don't stop school shootings here in the US. It's senseless and tragic and we've done literally nothing to make children safer in our country. The government doesn't intervene, that's for sure. In the end, there's just a significant proportion of Americans who think dead children are a fair price to pay for their gun hobby.

@morbidsearch

3 ай бұрын

And if you call them out on this they'll use the excuse that Japan is "homogenous". Shitty views go hand in hand with other shitty views

@jospinner1183

3 ай бұрын

@@morbidsearch Yeah, somehow the Venn diagram of firearm fetishists and racists tend to be a big fucking circle with a Confederate flag drawn on it. 😑

@og_ladyo

22 күн бұрын

Simply, American white elites care more about individual rights and profits more than public safety. American elites do not value humans, especially if they're poor, black, and a woman. Sometimes, I wonder why I stay in a country that doesn't value my existence.

It pains me to hear that the emergency services that were supposed to save these children acting ridiculously slow is not a new phenomenon, but im also not surprised ...

@alexwyatt2911

7 ай бұрын

It _was_ a new phenomenon. Prior to the shooting at Columbine, there was no police procedural for a mass shooting at a school. Afterwards, the protocol was very specifically for police to not wait, enter the school immediately, go straight to the shooter(s), and prioritize disarming the shooter(s). I’m assuming that you’re alluding to the shooting at the school in Uvalde. What’s so strange about the Uvalde police response was that they did everything right except the last step. The Uvalde police responded immediately and entered the school just 3 minutes after the shooter. They immediately located the shooter and made their presence known. But then it all fell apart. Like so many tragedies, there were multiple factors that contributed to this failure. The first being that Congress won’t pass the necessary legislation for gun safety and regulation.

@Cyberpilot

7 ай бұрын

@@alexwyatt2911 The cops at Uvalde did not go in for a good deal longer than 3 minutes. They were on scene in three minutes. Cops were on scene at 1156, and finally decided to breach at 1251. 376 cops were on scene by the time the breach finally happened. What the fuck are you talking about? They sat there with their dicks in their hands and kept people from going in. Gun control good, but also, cops are awful.

@NeighborhoodOfBlue

22 күн бұрын

@@alexwyatt2911 "...it all fell apart..." They failed. It was a failure of leadership and cowardice. To say it fell apart is shallow and dismissive.

@alexwyatt2911

22 күн бұрын

@@NeighborhoodOfBlue Listen, drama queen, I used the word “failure” to describe the Uvalde police response. That precise word is in my initial comment. Your criticism is unwarranted and your anger is misplaced. This is a sensitive subject so maybe you let your feelings get the best of you. I politely, but firmly, ask you to adjust your attitude.

@nnuu7618

21 күн бұрын

​@@alexwyatt2911 the only one getting emotional here is YOU , that commenter was right; saying "it all fell apart" minimizes the failure and lack of action on their part. They located the shooter, told any survivors in the classroom to yell out which got one of the victims killed. You have no business telling ANYBODY telling anybody they're a drama queen or to adjust their attitude when this is your response over a reply that isn't even attacking you personally and only pointing out how your wording minimizes the police's failure which lead to more deaths.

I wonder if that mother feeling "intense dread" about her child affected her parenting at all

@alexwyatt2911

7 ай бұрын

I wondered that too. Also, I realize that following a tragedy, it’s common for people to claim that they had some sort of gut feeling or premonition about an impending doom. It’s not true though. It’s just a coping mechanism because it’s very difficult for most people to contend with the chaos and uncertainty of life.

I think it's important to note something Caelan forgot to mention about Canada and school shootings. In 1989, 10 years before Columbine, we had a school shooting at Polytechnique in montreal. The shooter was ideologically motivated. If the shooter had committed such an act today he might have been regarded as an incel hero. Hell, some incels do hold him up in that regard. He killed 14 women and injured 14 others, 10 women and 4 men. He didn't like that women were getting educated, so he took the matter into his own hands. It's another instance of Québec producing a killer who was ahead of his time, much like Joseph-Albert Guay.

@RespecttheDeadPodcast

5 ай бұрын

I mentioned there had been a few instances of school shootings in Canada, while I was discussing my own personal relationship to Columbine, school shootings, and gun violence. The event you're referring to was never part of my upbringing or mentioned in any of the 10 schools I went to. I understand it's a big event in Canadian history, but it wasn't specifically relevant to my own upbringing. When it comes time to discuss it, it will be after I've done enough research to not misspeak about the events and the victims, as they deserve that respect. - Caelan

My ex told me a couple of times that he was going to dress up as klebold for halloween. I tried to tell him "Really? Teenage loser neonazi bully mass killer? Thats your fun costume?" His response was always to say some version of "its a costume, its not real" or just stop talking entirely

@Spamhard

Ай бұрын

I see why he's your ex...

I was in my last year of collage when it happened. So was already the queer goth adjacent teen that people didn't really bother to bully anymore, because I was tall and spooky. So when the news was relayed by our crying first period teacher giving an awkward 'be nice to the freaks' speech. I recall defiantly stareing back at the other kids who were apprehensively eyeing me up, thinking how much they suck for believing I would grab a gun and go on a revenge spree.

@kendan06

2 ай бұрын

I just graduated high school myself, and similarly being a weird quiet alternative kid, I got told a lot that I looked like a school shooter and was made fun of because of that. Funny enough, the student in my year who ended up actually posting a threat online that he would shoot up our junior homecoming, was one of the most popular kids and a star football player. 🥴

@sarahwynn6486

Ай бұрын

@@SpeedOfTheEarthbullying didn’t and doesn’t cause this kind of event . You think millions of kids worldwide aren’t bullied mercilessly!? Difference if they don’t have f’cking guns that they value over their own kids !!!!

@sourgreendolly7685

17 күн бұрын

I was in 5th grade when Columbine happened so by the time I was in middle school (which lucky me started in 2001, as if middle school wasn't already hell pre-9/11) and being told to write down names of bullies the other kids were certain it was a hit list. Sidenote- I just wanted teachers to tell them to shut up in class because it happened right in front of them and they just ignored it. There was no need for names to begin with.

Wow… Hoots, your retelling of these obscenely horrific events is absolutely tear jerking. as someone who was born after columbine and never dug into it-this was my first “foray” into the event. i think you did a phenomenal job of conveying the gravity and absolute atrocity that this event was. Thank you for the time you, and your cohosts put into this episode-any may the victims of this tragedy rest in the soundest peace, knowing that present day has the upmost remorse for what they endured.

Listening to this only to get an ad for life insurance. That’s one ghoulish fucking algae rhythm.

Daniel Steepleton was my middle school science teacher around 2012-ish. He went through this entire ordeal and still chose to dedicate himself to teaching the next generation of kids in Colorado. I've just always thought that was really cool. He knows, better than anyone, the tremendous sacrifice it is to be a teacher, in a post columbine world.

I had to explain to my 5 year old son that if he wanted the light up Spider-Man shoes he has to make sure that if I bad person comes into the school he should take his shoes off before he hides so that the bad person wouldn't find him by the lights on his shoes.. fucking sad!

Also Hoots I really hope you didn't suffer too many more nightmares

I needed this video I cried a lot and I hadn’t dealt with the trauma of being a student in a world where school shootings could happen any second and listening to this made me feel feelings j never felt But more than anything I broke a bit at how little hearing it made me feel It just sort of hit me that I’ve heard this over and over The fear the danger the killing the senselessness

I was a junior is high school when Columbine happened. Between this and Steve Buscemi's cameo in Billy Madison, some people started treating me "nicer", joking that they didn't want to be on my bad side when I snapped. It didn't bother me, though I didn't find it funny either. I wasn't even bullied or ostracized, by that point. I was just really quiet and didn't socialize.

@ffnovice7

7 ай бұрын

Did anything we experience in school socially ever happen again in the adult world?

@AntiMasonic93

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was a senior in high school in 1999. I'm the same age as some of the survivors. School shootings were rare in the 90s.

Love you all, your individual channels and the pod. Hope you’re doing ok and sleeping better after the pod Hoots. Someone who is definitely not me used to get pretty intense nightmares, but if that unknown person smokes a little weed right before bed they don’t dream at all.

The play Mandy talks about in 15:20 may be "Bang Bang, You're D***d"? I remember watching the movie with Ben Foster from X-Men 3 and Pandorum

@samanthanewport6709

Ай бұрын

That's 100% the play. I feel like every theatre kid in the early 2000s had contact with it

@hunterwise5661

19 күн бұрын

I was in that play right after Columbine happened. :-/. It was pretty messed up.

@CLJlovesmal

Күн бұрын

My senior year, 2005, two schools performed it, one during Regionals or States competition (they didn't move any further in competition) and another school that performed at Nationals. The first school performing added the most recent school shootings named.

i was born in 98 so my entire schooling happened post-columbine, plus all the school shootings that happened over the course of my childhood, and tbh i think there's very much a shared trauma between people in my general age range here in america because we all had to go to school every day knowing that like. today could be the day it happens at our school to all of us. and thankfully it never did happen at my school (although we did have a scare my freshman year of high school because someone who lived within the catchment area for my school had called the cops and made vague threats about shooting up a nonspecific school, which led to us being locked down until like 2 hours after the school day had already ended) but when you spend so much of your childhood thinking in the back of your head "today might be the day we all get killed" its really hard to turn that voice off and just like. leave your house without worrying the entire time you're out. im 25 and still get really anxious in big public places with crowded common areas and walkways (ie movie theaters and malls and convention halls) because i can't not think "someone could just pull a gun out right now whenever they felt like it". granted i also have mild ocd which probably contributes to the degree to which this stuff affected me, but i do seriously think that growing up with that dark cloud over your entire school experience has to have done a number on a lot of us from the post-columbine/school shooting era generation

@sourgreendolly7685

17 күн бұрын

Born in 89 here, millennials' general trauma from the sht that happened in our childhoods being kinda just never spoken about has been driving me insane since my early 20s (back when everything blaming us and how sensitive we are was really starting to ramp up). Like sorry if we're a little on edge, the elders of our generation barely remember feeling safe as a child and those are the lucky ones.

@emdove

15 күн бұрын

I vividly remember reading about a school shooting here in Germany as a young child (maybe seven?). Just one. And it absolutely destroyed me, for the next few months, I was always on edge and scared of going to school. I can't even fathom what it must be like to live in a country where something like that actually happening to you or your kids is not highly unlikely. I'm sorry. A bit off-topic: My mum also told me that after we watched the twin towers fall on the morning news, I became afraid of airplanes. I was two and (though obviously I didn't consciously know that) on a whole different continent and it still affected me. Still does, when I hear a loud airplane my first instinct is to make sure it isn't coming down on me. Again, can't imagine actually living in the aftermath of that, with everything around you being influenced by it.

@sillyd0g

13 күн бұрын

@@emdove i was just about to turn 2 when 9/11 happened so i don't really remember it all that vividly. (all i really know is my dad was at the zoo with my twin brother and i when it happened and he heard about it from someone working at the snack bar who i guess had a tv or a radio in there with them) my first plane trip wasn't until i was 4 or 5 so i never experienced air travel in a pre 9/11 era. i have a lot of anxiety surrounding plane travel but im honestly not sure if it's from growing up in the aftermath of 9/11 or a weird ocd fixation on ways i or people i care about could perish suddenly.

@brittanyreed4377

5 күн бұрын

I was 9 when it happened, I remember hearing about it but I was young so I didn’t fully understand it at the time. Honestly I don’t ever really remember being scared at school of something like this happening. My mom remembers my school being put on lockdown several years after Columbine for a bomb threat but I don’t remember it. I do remember being in lockdowns at school but I guess that specific incident the teachers did a good job of not making it obvious what was going on or I was just young and don’t remember that specific incident. In high school a guy I knew brought a gun to school in his truck and we were on lockdown and could hear the police and dogs in the hallways..come to find out he came to school high and had been hunting the night before and forgot to take his gun out. I do fear my kids going to school, before school let out for summer their school was put on lockdown. I heard it over the police scanner at work that 15 shots was fired at the school, I work within like 1-2 minute drive to the school so I saw all of the police. We even had surrounding counties responding, I don’t think I’ve ever been that scared. Luckily it was just someone doing target practice who lived close by, I live in a state where everyone and their mother owns a gun so it is scary to think how many kids have access to them or even have their own

I’m only at 14:21 but if they don’t remember the full name of the play, it’s Bang Bang You’re Dead. It was done soooo much when I was in middle and high school.

I audibly said “yooo” when this notification popped up. Wft is wrong with me…🤦🏾‍♂️

@zainmudassir2964

7 ай бұрын

Yooo

I live in Southeast Asia. And it's utter insanity to me that people can't even go anywhere in the US without the constant background fear of getting shot and killed.

@ffnovice7

7 ай бұрын

Agreed that it's a shame but it's not so different from SEA being paranoid of China taking over your businesses or being run over in the street

@eleSDSU

7 ай бұрын

@@ffnovice7 what is wrong with you? It's nowhere near the same to have a concern for economic encroaching or being hit accidentally with a car, your brain seems to have rotted.

@morbidsearch

3 ай бұрын

@@ffnovice7 It's so adorable how Americans think China is who the rest of the world fears.

@Sophia-cd2ci

3 ай бұрын

Literally same. I'm in Australia. My sister visited America, and the whole time she was there I was afraid for her. I can't imagine ever wanting to go to America. Fear and gun violence is the first thing I think of when I think US, and I have to actively remind myself there is more to it than that. This isn't true for me for any other country, even other nations with high reports of violence. Shootings in the US just seem so wildly random - literally anytime, anywhere, from anyone. That is absolutely terrifying to even imagine.

@pandaitis0157

Ай бұрын

​@@Sophia-cd2ciit is terrifying. It's so taxing on the mind to know any time you're in public any person around you could have a gun. Any event you go to could be the next to get shot up. At this point there's nobody who doesn't at least live close to a shooting. They're everywhere. And that's just the mass shootings. Drive bys, robberies, regular murder. Like.. fuck... and it's never gonna get better here.

You guys shit on the dead yet respect the victims in a palatable way. You bring a little levity to a serious matter.

@RespecttheDeadPodcast

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

It took only 2 min for me to start crying For one simple phrase “He was 1 of 15 who never walked out of columbine again” The impact of 15 deaths in a school shooting being so much a tragedy it altered history Literally made me cry because it isn’t what it used to be Is now just what happens when someone shoots up a school that just happens That happens so often as to be routine so often as to blend into the background 15 was a tragedy 15 was too horrifying for words 15 was a sign something needed to be done Now? I hear 15 and it means so little Uvalde Newtown Parkland I just fuck this going to be rough one and a long one

@ffnovice7

7 ай бұрын

I'm just going to homeschool my children

@crptpyr

7 ай бұрын

Yeah as soon as I realised that the opening speech was talking about someone who wouldn't have made it out I just felt this sense of dread

@pandaitis0157

Ай бұрын

​@ffnovice7 homeschooling is fucking evil. Better to die in school than never be allowed to live to begin with.

Caelan has made a major omission by not mentioning or discussing the école polytechnique shooting, which happened 10y before Columbine, targeted specifically women as anti feminist action, and is to date one of Canada's largest spree shootings. My school would recognize the anniversary of the event every year, dec6.

@RespecttheDeadPodcast

5 ай бұрын

I mentioned there had been a few instances of school shootings in Canada, while I was discussing my own personal relationship to Columbine, school shootings, and gun violence. The event you're referring to was never part of my upbringing or mentioned in any of the 10 schools I went to. I understand it's a big event in Canadian history, and clearly very influential in your life, but it wasn't in mine. When it comes time to discuss it, it will be after I've done enough research to not misspeak about the events and the victims, as they deserve that respect. - Caelan

@andriypredmyrskyy7791

5 ай бұрын

@@RespecttheDeadPodcast of course that makes perfect sense, I hope I didn't come off as antagonistic. I kind of assumed that was the case. More than anything I figured it merited bringing to your attention.

As a 15 year old in Texas, occasionally I’ll catch myself taking notes on how close the exits are, and if the fire alarm went off because someone wanted everyone gathered in one place (I remember like, in 2nd grade I was told that there was a situation where that happened?)

@searchingfororion

Ай бұрын

I currently live in Texas. I also moved a *lot* and have had a connection to these things by proxy. Before Columbine there was Seaside (I lived nearby and wouldn't have been in the right age group; but that one was a BFD and pretty close in damage - now, probably only Oregon remembers.) Because of this (and other things I won't detail because it was a different era and would feed into unnecessary escalation of fear) I studied a lot of them as they were happening and afterward when more information was known. - Not out of a morbid facination, but righteous indignation. I still do. Here's my advice (especially now residing in the same state that you do the famously and catastrophically failed a school and community): Live your life. Hypervigilance doesn't serve a healthy existence, nor would it if the worst-case-scenario *did* occur. I don't know how they're teaching drills now - I sincerely hope that they are less trauma inducing than the ones back then. I can sincerely tell you try to ignore the fear-mongering and hello sensationalized reporting about these an attempt to be a teenager existing in high school. (I know that the "don't worry" advice model is about as useful as a band-aid for a broken leg but there is logic and data behind what I'm saying) There is no "preparedness" so if the worst thing does happen do the smart and subtle thing instead of the "brave" thing - hide. Live your life the best that you can, statistically speaking you really don't have much to worry about - kids are *not* time bombs - but in the 1% situation and that you need to deal with it or an emergency plan will make you feel better; the realistic thing to do is to stay low and *hide* (preferably with a barrier). This is the commonality of people who we're not physically injured in situations similar to what you're concerned about. I would cite examples but once again I do not want to feed into the media sensationalism so incredibly anxious all the time. Just trust me that that works. Please try to feel better, and please try to go forward and be a teenager. That's the best you can do. Don't let fear ruin or run your life. I wish you the best. Sincerely, A psychologist that studies this.

At around the one-hour mark talking about how kids shouldn't have to play dead. These were high school students but I just immediately thought of the 4th graders at Uvalde who also had to play dead in their friend's blood. Fucking fourth graders man. These poor kids who will have life long trauma. They said the killer put on music while waiting for the cops to come. I wonder if those kids can even listen to any music to this day, but just imagine the trauma of being outside and hearing one of those songs out in public

This will be interesting I remember my school having one of the dead's uncles come and talk to us with this sorta religious self help speech. In retrospect using a girl's death like that to make her into this sorta martyr so school can pay you to talk to students is really gross. At the time tho I was just like "well that was weird"

@alexwyatt2911

7 ай бұрын

Are you talking about Cassie Bernall? Christians took that “She said ‘yes’” story and _ran_ with it. She became this Christian martyr that fed into evangelicals’ obsession about being oppressed. What was even weirder was that it wasn’t Cassie’s story. Valeen Schnurr, who survived the shooting, was the one who was asked by the shooter if she believed in God.

@yourlocalnerd7788

6 ай бұрын

@@alexwyatt2911 I don't even remember other than the girl had a drawing of an eye crying on a rose and somehow that was meant to predict the future

@myroselle6987

3 ай бұрын

Rachel Scott…

@heatherf1529

2 ай бұрын

​@alexwyatt2911 NO that was Rachel Scott that said that!! being the first shot! her friend relayed it

As a neurodivergent Canadian who was in grade 9 when Columbine happened...I got a visit from the cops to ensure my family did not have firearms. Also, I got a lot of trips to the counselor's office. Had to explain to a lot of people that I was just a pacifist goth kid who once took a gun safety course at my last school. Free therapy was nice. People started being nicer or outright avoiding me instead of making fun of me. So my experience with Columbine was a truly morbid irony of everyone thinking the person trained not to aim guns at anyone was the issue because they looked weird.

I think I'll have to skip this and the next Columbine episode, because as a substitute teacher, well, this was my reality. Every day I went into a school to teach a class for the day, I looked at these kids, and I knew that I would die to try and protect them. I knew that it was a real and constant threat that I might have to.

@ffnovice7

7 ай бұрын

Will you carry?

@gabrielpelletier6202

7 ай бұрын

Carry what?

@RespecttheDeadPodcast

7 ай бұрын

Take care of yourself.

@patriciaw1137

7 ай бұрын

I'm a substitute too. There was a guy with a gun on the block of a middle school I was teaching orchestra at one day, and I had to corral all the kids into the cello storage room, wait in the dark for 20 minutes, and wonder if I'd live long enough to get the kids out the door should the worst happen. I am back at that same school tomorrow and deeply regret listening to this episode before bed.

@morbidsearch

3 ай бұрын

​@@gabrielpelletier6202 A gun, I assume.

The killers were dead by 12:08, and police and medics didnt try to save any of rhe duing kids until after 230 Okay, so fuck ALL of those emergency responders, they didnt help anybody

@heatherf1529

2 ай бұрын

so I guess the paramedics who drove up to the school and saved two kids WHILE being Shot at. one of them claims the sounds of the bullets hitting the ambulance would haunt him for the rest of his life. He was paralyzed that day bit worked his ass off to be able to walk across at graduation.

@sarahwynn6486

Ай бұрын

The ambulance and paramedics were literally running through gunfire to get kids in the ambulance and at least 2 cops were shot !!!!!

My relationship to columbine isn’t much, but seeing as I’m in high school it’s something I think about somewhat frequently. However, in eighth grade, I survived a school shooting, in which luckily no one died, but a few students were minorly injured (grazed, hit in the hand etc.) I luckily wasn’t injured but I had friends who were, and it was overall an awful experience. This year, there was a shooting incident near my school, and we saw the ambulances go by along with around 10-20 police cars. We were in class but were pretty worried, and I remember debating with a friend whether to text my friends at that school or not for fear of their phones making noise. It’s honestly awful that my first thought upon hearing about a school shootjng was ‘please let it be targeted’, rather than ‘I can’t believe it’.

I was at school on Valentine’s Day 2018, watching videos of the Stoneman Douglas shooting on tumblr AS THEY WERE HAPPENING. The shooter was still in the school, children were actively dying, and I was in class crying my eyes out, listening to the death rattle of dying children as they cried out for help with fluid filling their lungs. I saw the children being evacuated, sobbing and running past the dead bloody bodies of their classmates on the floor. My daughter is turning 4 soon and will be starting school next year. I shake in terror when I think about it. We live only an hour away from Uvalde where the police allowed children to be gunned down. I don’t want to send my sweet baby away to be murdered. And the sick part is how excited she is. Her face lights up every time we mention going to school to her. She wants to learn and make friends, that’s all.

A friend who graduated before Columbine did a joke at graduation with a toilet plunger that could never happen post-Columbine. Another friend would get 'Columbine' hissed at him as he passed through the senior hallway... he's one of the sweetest people I know.

This was very heavy but as someone who has willingly been ignorant to this event a great telling of the story.

It's weird- I'm younger than you, so I started school in a post Columbine world. Code Red/ school shooting drills were a part of my education, starting in 1st grade; I'm sure I horrified teachers by pointing out that the corner we were supposed to huddle in put us in direct line from the windows, and asking why the teacher was the one to put herself at risk when one of us could do it (age 7). It was a Christian school, so the Columbine girls (along with the Pennsylvania flight) were heroes/ martyrs; I'd made a private resolution to emulate them by age 9 if I ever had to. It's all just... so fucked up

I held it together through the ehole thing until you started listing the victims' names at the end. That really got me.

As someone who's been in the rabbit hole: Dylan did not know Rachel, neither of them did. The Rachel mentioned in the Basement Tapes was another Rachel in one of Dylan's classes.

I was in 7th grade math class when my teacher got a call from someone to turn on the news. We watched for just a couple minutes. The last thing we saw was Ireland escaping through the window before our teacher turned off the tv.

Can you guys do an episode about the "I hate Mondays" school shooting? It happened in 1979 by a 16 year old girl on a middle school.

Not 'Bang! Bang! Sponsored by Heinz' 🤣

High School morality plays are so corney. I remember my school putting on a "dont text and drive" one with an actual wrecked car they hauled in for it. I think they do way more harm than good because instead of actually conveying to kids realities of harmful behavior you distract them with ham fisted melodrama. Like how the DARE program failed to prevent drug use in kids. I think how you guys talk about the actual people who died at Columbine and their stories has a lot more potential to move students to care. No play acting, no fictional scenarios.

If it matters... 28:00 Robyn Anderson went to the prom with Dylan not Eric. Eric did not go to the prom, he went to the after prom. Also Robyn was not charged with anything as she had not committed any crime. She had purchased two rifles and a shotgun, or “long guns” for Eric and Dylan. In Colorado, it was not then illegal to transfer long guns to minors. (Source: Jeff Kass - Columbine a true Crime story). Mark Manes was charged with selling a pistol to a minor and owning illegally modified firearms. 28:55 I have seen the interview of Matt Stone again since I did not remember him making any such comments in Bowling for columbine, I checked the version I had as well as clips on KZread. He never says anything about practicing with firearms or wanting to kill anyone. He just speaks about columbine being an average school in an average neighborhood and his memory of being told that if you don't succeed for early on in school you will be a failure forever. Michael Moore made a comment that MS and TP used being different in school to make a cartoon rather than cause carnage. 33:55 In the basement tapes, Dylan says he hopes they kill 250 people so the 1,600 figure wasn't their anticipated body count... also the sequence of their intent is questionable since they intended to charge through the schools after the bombs went off. 34:35 Actually they had not selected any date for the attack, they had just chosen the month of April. In one of the basement tape videos Eric can't decide whether to carry it out before or after prom. So, the 19th had nothing to do with the Waco siege nor the Oklahoma City bombing, it was just the day after Prom.. 37:40 Chad Laughlin flipped off Dylan as their cars almost collided before he realized it was Dylan. 38:30 Brooks Brown was leaving school to smoke when he ran into Eric, he didn't leave school because Eric told him to. Kids weren't allowed to smoke on campus (they could smoke in the smokers pit if they had their parents permission which Brooks did not), so he was on his way to Pierce street when he encountered Eric, after which he just went to have a smoke and it was while walking there that he heard gunshots and explosions. And far for never being investigated, Brooks was made to retrace his steps and recount his activity by Brian Rohrbough, father of one of the victims. 39:58 Neither of them were wearing wrap around sunglasses, they both owned and can be seen, in different videos they made, wearing glasses similar in style to round lens sunglasses worn by Woody Harrelson in the Natural Born Killers, which is the look they were probably going for. 40:58 They can actually be seen on the Security Camera in the cafeteria planting the bombs before 11am, they then went to "gear up". The duffel bags they carried just contained their weapons and pipe bombs. 42:45 Rachel Scott was a junior and not in any of the classes that Eric and Dylan took, its quite likely she was not the Rachel mentioned in the basement tapes either. She never had any run ins with either of the two about their violent videos or anything else her parents seem to have come up with. 45:40 Only Lance Kirklin was shot again in his face, Daniel Rohrbough was killed by shots to his left leg, chest and abdomen. 58:00 While Steven Curnow was indeed shot and killed, Kacey Ruegsegger was injured in her shoulder, hand and neck but she did not die. She recovered and even wrote a book about her experience called "Over My Shoulder". 1:04:15 A little more context is needed, while its true that Carla Hochhalter who is the mother of injured Anne Marie Hochhalter committed suicide, according to Anne Marie her mother had been suffering with mental health issues (depression) for a long time and while the events at columbine weren't the cause of her suicide, it didn't help. So just blaming the suicide on this event alone is slightly misleading. 1:09:45 There had been plenty of school shooting, in fact the Cleveland Elementary School shooting in 1989 had resulted in the Federal Assault weapons Ban....

@sarahwynn6486

Ай бұрын

Daniels father himself was the one who said he was shot in the face

@dponka56

Ай бұрын

@@sarahwynn6486 Yes, Daniel Mauser was shot in the face, but that was later in the library. I was referring to Daniel Rohrbough and Lance Kirklin who were shot outside the school.

Oh Lord. I read the book of the mum of one of the shooters, and another on shooters from a doctor so and so. I'm only listening because the last one was good story telling and had additional details that made me think. But oh boy this one is gonna be painful.

@wen6519

7 ай бұрын

This has definitely added to my knowledge on the subject, in addition to the names of the victims. Thank you for saying their names, Hoots, we can hear that is rough for you and I appreciate you pushing through. I am also in shock at how Caelan doesn't have the baggage of mass shootings; I am a foreigner in the US, and I've lived here long enough that I partially feel the weight of Hoots' and Mandy's experience. I have followed Caelan for a while and have heard of their past experiences with violence, so I don't want to pretend that Canada is a bed of roses. But. But I wish we could make the US more like Canada in terms of mass shootings, hell even make it more like my home country, where I'd never heard of mass shootings before, even though I moved out of that country. I feel protective about the access to guns because I do believe in hunting, and other countries with access to guns such as Canada don't have the same problems as the US. But I am concerned that things have gone so off the rails down here that strict regulation might be the only solution. And the NRA ain't gonna let that slide.

I recall Columbine was a failed bombing with a diversive event on the other side of town.

One day when I was in 8th grade (2010-2011), there was someone who was walking around contemplating s*icide and happened to be on school property, so we fortunately we weren't actually in danger because the school was never a target. Nevertheless, my school went into lockdown, and we spent ~2 hours lined up against the wall next to the exit so that if someone barged in, we could run out before a shooter could turn. At first we all thought it was a drill, but then we saw the look of fear on our teachers face (he was also a former Marine and as 13-14 year olds, we generally idealized him as fearless) and that was how we realized it was serious. He was clutching a pair of scissors to use for defense for the entirety of the lockdown.

I remember my 6th period Spanish class my sophomore year. I came in and a tv was there with the news of Columbine on. That was all we did that period. Thanks to the false portrayal of the shooters i spent the rest of my time in school being compared to them.

I was in eighth grade when this happened. My friends and I were the four weird kids who wore Manson shirts. We spent more time missing out on our education because we were in the office being grilled about wether or not we'd do the same.

Was the play called "Bang, Bang, You're Dead"? My cousin was in a production of that, it was really good.

As a Brit it's so mind blowing to me that being afraid of mass shootings is an every day occurrence. I think what really boggles my mind is how some Americans will cite anything as a threat to their kids 'that must be stopped omg think of the kids', you know... like being gay or trans but heaven forbid you regulate something that is a genuine, actual killer of children like guns. We had one school shooting here in the 90's (it wasn't a student but a guy who went into a school and started killing people) and gun laws were changed right away, we haven't had one since. If you have guns, people are going to get shot. I don't know why that's a hard concept...

OH F***. THAT PLAY IS BANG BANG YOU’RE DEAD. I was in it too. It is absolutely a batshit insane zany romp.

"School shootings don't happen in Canada." Ummm I think Drake would beg to differ

Corr. That opener gave me goosebumps. Dave sanders reminds me of a few teachers from school. Decent people who wanted the best for their students. Such a shame

I had to check Google to make sure this wasn’t the same Dave Cullen with the KZread channel Conputing Forever

There is no such thing as an ironic hitler phase. Someone heard the n word just before being killed by little nazis. Racism isn’t a phase and it isn’t casual

The killers wore cop glasses...

Speechless. Just feel sick

Yet another video on this case treating Dave Cullen's book of fiction as the "truth". People will believe anything, and I do mean *anything* as long as some dude out their manages to sell a lot of books...

@samueldelacroix6358

6 ай бұрын

I dont know anything about it - whats wrong with it?

@randomuser7647

5 ай бұрын

@@samueldelacroix6358 The fact he just made up a bunch of fiction, like the idea that Eric was some ladie's man when the opposite was true.

The play 14:00 is Bang Bang You're Dead

Like honestly I'm surprised Brooks even left. I dunno if like pre normalised mass murder, I'd have taken anyone serious like that. Genuinely thinking about me as a teen and like, damn I don't think I would have even left. I think I would have thought it was a joke.

@myroselle6987

3 ай бұрын

I’ve always had a funny feeling about Brooks Brown. I’m not sure why but I have doubts about his story of meeting up with Eric in the parking lot and Eric telling him “Brooks, I like you now. Get out of here…go home.” I could be wrong but he was always front and center in early documentaries and news reports. Seems like he wants the attention.

@SPierre-dm4wo

Ай бұрын

Eric had already cracked Brooks' windshield with a chunk of ice and, more worryingly, publicly singled him out as someone he wanted to murder in a mass killing. The Browns reported both incidents to the police but iirc, not much came of it, although things had cooled off by 20/04/1999. I don't think I'd have thought it was a joke if I was in Brooks' position.

I remember a few years ago i listened through the Last Podcast on the Left episodes about Columbine. They always do an outstanding job, but i dont recall feeling as much as i felt this time. Maybe it's this empathetic group, or maybe its just I've matured more. But thinking about these kids had tears in my eyes almost the whole time. I cant even put myself there, its so above the normal human experience.

this story was so harrowing. I think I said jesus and oh fuck as much as the co-hosts did

Mandy, I heart you so much. But watching the news in middle school? Whilst being away with a homegirl at a hotel? Why weren't you watching Tom Green or MTV Deathmatch or exploring the hotel, or the streets nearby? I'm an '83 baby, so I don't know the age difference betwixt your crew and I. Not saying I wasn't raised white trash, but dang. You were aware of events, I was just escaping.

@sourgreendolly7685

17 күн бұрын

I'm '89 and was in 5th grade so I'm guessing 86 or 87 depending on which year in middle but that's assuming no holdback years. Somewhere our ages for sure.

Hmm 🤔

@Rick_Cleland

6 ай бұрын

*_Mmmmmmm..._* 🤔🤔🤔

Robovoice destroyed any interest I had in watching this

Where's my intro song 😢

@SatanasExMachina

7 ай бұрын

They have a different, much more serious one for the extremely tragic episodes, and I'm about it.

@mararuto

7 ай бұрын

they didnt use it for mcveighs episode either so they probably dont use it when the tone of the episode is.... like that

@RespecttheDeadPodcast

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, we're moving away from the OG song when the episode calls for a more somber approach.

@RespecttheDeadPodcast

7 ай бұрын

We're moving away from the OG song when the episode calls for a more somber approach.

Normally I can laugh at your jokes between the horrible stuff but it frankly isn't possible during this episode for me

@xWood4000

Ай бұрын

Thank you for making these, it is important to talk about and these 2 hours is short enough to handle

@xWood4000

Ай бұрын

The ones in the us has also unfortunately inspired two school shootings in Finland. It is a much safer country but we have some big problems. The latest shooting (probably not inspired?) was done by an 11 year old

laughing the whole timw is NOT RESPECTING THE DEAD!!!

@HollyCallander

2 ай бұрын

Their slogan is literally “Respect the Dead - the podcast where we don’t” did you even listen to the first 3 minutes?

@Anervaria

20 күн бұрын

bro was not listening

69th comment

I got through a fair bit of this but the childish immature giggling put me off .fact is don’t have guns don’t have mass shootings . As someone from outside the USA I will never ever understand why your citizens put their dumb right to bear arms over the lives of their kids

@commandergree6131

Ай бұрын

Humor can help people cope with a serious subject like this, this isn’t exactly any different to any of their other episodes, I don’t exactly know why you feel differently about this one.

I’m Not being rude but the dude on this podcast is very immature

@SPierre-dm4wo

Ай бұрын

Not being rude, but there are no dudes on this podcast.