I absolutely love it. Thanks to Citroën for bringing a car with Rolls Royce comfort aspirations for a more proletarian price. The market are filled with Ferrari wannabe cars, riding with harsh suspension setups and low profile. With most cars one cannot give granny a lift without worrying whether she will lose her teeth at the next road undulation. So bravo Citroën.

Robert "Turn navigation voice off!" NAV9000: "I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that."

@grantbriggs4442

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

I watch Fully Charged preligiously. And I don't have a car, need a car, or currently want a car.

@tonedcos

3 жыл бұрын

They don't just do cars, there are some great pieces on solar generation and storage, and other forms of power generation ;)

@_Rafiki.

3 жыл бұрын

You haven't discovered Netflix?

@GreenJimll

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto! I can never drive a car, but its useful info for talking to people who can.

@RDMracer

3 жыл бұрын

@@grizzybear9111 I think that you are kind of missing the point...

@underamoure

3 жыл бұрын

@@grizzybear9111 i am "grown up" and i dont have a car... kid? Am I weird now?

"SatNav woman you have no authority here".

@snowstrobe

3 жыл бұрын

mute

@erstwhilegrubstake

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a song by Stevie Nicks. :)

@markiliff

3 жыл бұрын

Jackie Weaver voicing satnav - what a genius idea!

@davidstuart4915

3 жыл бұрын

@@erstwhilegrubstake ...Stevie....mmmmmmmmmmm :)

Just my take on it, but I think the reason for all the Gizmo's is they actually cost next to nothing for the manufacturer to supply and fit them and are very profitable when customers choose them on their ICE vehicles. On EV's there is an expensive overhead for the actual EV system, so they offset it by bunging in all those gizmo's.

@simonburleigh1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I completely agree with you there

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts! R&D money has already been spent on all the “shizzle”. So they equip the car fully to make it more appealing, as the price is already high because of battery.

@voodoobean1973

3 жыл бұрын

@ 50 kWh battery is around £100 per kWh so £5,000 for the battery. As cheap as putting iin a fossil fuel engine...

@ferkeap

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's in the middle of that. It's also that the market is rich people now. And having to many supply options cost, especially at low volume. What Robert fails to mention is the posh materials are a part of the pricing. And the paint is often a higher end option. This is also a converted ice car, not a good chassis.

@robertwills3408

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferkeap The platform was developed to support ICE, hybrid and BEV from the start. You could still argue pure-play BEV is better for a BEV model, but this isn't converted from an ICE platform.

I wonder if car manufacturers are only releasing expensive ev’s to limit the number they sell, whilst access to batteries is still limited?

@dufonrafal

3 жыл бұрын

No, they make less margin on EV than ICE, so they're not making them expensive on purpose, they are trying to make them affordable. And they have to because of Europe CO2 regulation, it's less expensive to loose money on an EV than to not sell one.

@CorwynGC

3 жыл бұрын

That, and the fact that people don't put a value on the electric drive train. "I paid so much for this car and it doesn't even have a heated steering wheel."

@dufonrafal

3 жыл бұрын

@@CorwynGC Also, those entry level specs are not popular, they represent only about 1% of the sales anyway... People who buy new cars have money and want the full experience, the other buy used cars.

@limeyjoe1632

3 жыл бұрын

@@dufonrafal Are you sure? Because when you buy a used ICE car there are plenty of base models on the market which somebody must have purchased new.

@dufonrafal

3 жыл бұрын

​@@limeyjoe1632 the absolute lowest specs ones are pretty rare, at least in western Europe, and it's the only one not available on this electric C4, but even with ICE powertrain, only the most basic powertrain is available.

I love that soo many new ev’s are coming to the market!

@ZenuxHD

3 жыл бұрын

Thats true altough most of them are laughable.

@Yautah

3 жыл бұрын

And that's why I never understood all the fuss about tesla. The smart historical brand will join on too, some (maybe even most) will fail, sure, but some will nail it, and they already have an advantage in infrastructure, relationship, brand identity with some people.. Not saying they will fail, but they probably wont' dominate anytime soon.

@ZenuxHD

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yautah I dont think so. Tesla has better infrastructure with Superchargers. Also they are way ahead of their competition with technology and infotainment.

@kbrandt3434

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZenuxHD Agree, the early argument was always that there was no where to charge your car but your home. Tesla's infrastructure made it possible for EV's to gain mobility and allow them to become viable for the average person. There were other just as important things that Tesla had to do to make EVs mainstream, but charging infrastructure was the one most pushed by the traditional automakers.

@Sto79Be

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZenuxHD I think you underestimate how many people would rather buy from another brand given Tesla’s poor build and quality control reputation. I’d rather have a Volvo, Merc, Audi, or Ford EV over Tesla. Not just because other mass market brands will be cheaper.

Very valid rant about price when one of the objections to ev use is purchase price, make it more affordable.

@shadowblack1987

3 жыл бұрын

Prices are going down thanks to better, more affordable battery technology. But there's a HUGEEEEEE push against it from governments that are usually lobbied by the petrol conglomerate.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

Until the battery price comes down that can't happen

@LateInAugust

3 жыл бұрын

My take is, currently demand for electric cars outstrips how many the company can make. Therefore it makes financial sense to sell fully loaded cars for more profit. All the legacy companies are having to fight over third party batteries.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

@@LateInAugust Profit margins on electric cars are wafer thin!!

@doggylover1958

3 жыл бұрын

Three years ago Renault Zoe 40 could be had for £16,000. This year 2021 Zoe 50 is £30,000. Good to see cheaper battery prices are being passed on to the consumer. Oh hang on ......it’s the same car with a slightly bigger (but cheaper) battery, and it’s £14,000 pounds more . Think I won’t bother then, but thanks for the kind offer though Renault. I’ll go and check the mirror and see if someone has written”MUG” on my forehead.

Nice, I’ve always liked Citroen for being bold and a little bit different from other manufactures.

14:11 I am starting to think Robert wants a Dacia Sandero or even a Lada Niva with no radio, no AC and the powertrain of the Zoe. Wait that’s what I want, I’ll be over here.

@timsmith5339

3 жыл бұрын

You might want the Dacia Spring?

@markuc

3 жыл бұрын

Wuling HongGuang Mini will be perfect and it costs less than 5k when it comes to the UK. No frills low range EV that's cheaper than ICE.

Couldn't agree more about the way these are being priced against ice counterparts. Thanks for showing under the hood , always find it interesting to see how ice manufacturers are packaging the power train in the same body's as the ice cars .

@pbyfr

3 жыл бұрын

I don't remember what I have under the hood of my Leaf, only opened it when I got it, never since. But I know exectatly what I have in my old ICE.

@TheRocky3211

3 жыл бұрын

@@pbyfr witchcraft most likely 😁

@ovi9610

3 жыл бұрын

ICE builders know that if they sell an EV at the same price as a petrol one, they do not sell any more ice cars in the future (as Porsche experimented with the Taycan), but the two big problems for them are: they don't have batteries, and they need to sell also ice cars in the next XX years. The big risk is most of them will go bankrupt this decade.

@davidclayton9383

3 жыл бұрын

Hood do u mean bonnet

C'mon Citroën, bring out the electric 2CV!

@davethepants

3 жыл бұрын

The Duck-E

@panzerkami2381

3 жыл бұрын

They did. It's called the Ami. I know some will protest but it fills much the same niche (while having four times the horsepower of the original 2CV).

@nigelrowe2204

3 жыл бұрын

Ami is available.

@achenarmyst2156

3 жыл бұрын

Fiat has made the 500e. So of course we need Citroen 2CVe and Renault R4e.

@David-bl1bt

3 жыл бұрын

@@panzerkami2381 ... But can't transport 4/5 people....or hay baked to fields, or take pigs,goats to market....which is what the 2cv was designed to do!

you are delightful to watch - listen to - as always, thank you for presenting!

"Froot/Frunk Space - 0 litres" - This is the kind of depth and detail that other reviews fear to plumb.

Absolutely loving the video stabilisation of the driving footage. Nicely done!

Your choice of Music and the cut is soooo nice again. Always love to watch your vids. Keep on going :3

Ha ha ha. I’m sure those flamboyant French designers were hoping for a more evocative expression than “dents at the front”. Love it. 🤣

@toyotaprius79

3 жыл бұрын

Some may call it progressive, others may call it a masculine package.

Robert makes these videos very entertaining and funny, love it !😀

Fully agree with your "little rant" about stuffing unnecessary extras into electric cars without offering a base model.

Well done mate awesome review loved you're take on the car and motoring. First time seeing you on line. Keep up the good reviews👍👍

Love when you call it citron 🍋 excellent video as always!

Adjust the volume when the sat nav is talking, that's it.

Thanks Fully charged for your brilliant reviews and head to head guides, I plan to buy used electric this year once this 'thing' settles down and all your video's will help me decide which one to buy

I love fully charged...! Thank you Robert

Thank you!

The reason you can’t get Evs with less options is because the “options” on a standard car don’t cost hardly anything to produce, they just cots a lot when selected. This is why adding them to evs is great as it costs the manufacturer hardly anything and makes the extra 7000 over the base petrol C4 seam a lot more meaningful!

@hrford

3 жыл бұрын

I'd estimate a massaging seat at 500 to 1000 (£,€,$), and there's probably two of them in the EV. Not having them could be 2,000 cheaper. (I'm assuming).

@timscott3027

3 жыл бұрын

@@hrford yeah but the point is it kind of artificially justifies the cost. If you could buy the same car with no extras it would only be a few thousand cheaper but would still be more than the top spec petrol.

@RDMracer

3 жыл бұрын

I think this is because manufacturers think that EV's should sit somewhere in the premium category. And they do have somewhat of a point there, EV's are much more appealing for house owners with driveways. Especially in a segment like this, you would want to attract a person who is just not satisfied with their diesel 5008 any more or even comes from a higher segment, and wants all the new luxuries of a truly modern car.

@MrKlawUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@hrford I’d bet those massage seats probably cost Citroen £25 per seat over the standard. Then they sel them as a £500 option on the petrol car. Give them for ‘free’ on the EV to mask the cost of the battery

@hrford

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrKlawUK I saw that kind of comment in another thread. I'm inclined to come around to that thinking. It seems manufacturers might be making tons of money on the options. I guess?

Just listened to Bobby’s mini-rant on the extras! The massage seats on my C4 Picasso got me through my drive around Europe in 2019, I bought it for its comfort and it was well worth it; at my advanced years with a bad back I needed it! That’s why I’m holding out for the e-Spacetourer, when and if that might arrive, as we need that luggage space for touring.

The quiet drive of an all electric vehicle is a stress reducer. Can you imagine cities without all the noise from gas and diesel vehicles ? I wonder if it would reduce aggression by adding a calming effect on people.

11:44 The reason is, that cheap electric cars at this point only make sense when fully equipt because of the higher margins in the extras.

@anydaynow01

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly battery technology needs to be a lot cheaper, budget minded people have a difficult time wrapping their heads around paying more on the front end to save money in the long run.

@doggylover1958

3 жыл бұрын

Cost of running has nothing to do with cost of making cars. Batteries are much cheaper than 5 years ago. Manufacturers are charging customers a premium for electric cars that bears no relationship to the cost of manufacturing.

@Hans-gb4mv

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I think there's more than 1 reason. Of course, you have the huge R&D cost that legacy automakers are investing in designing electric drivetrains and building cars around them. But I also think it's a bit of a Tesla effect. If you go back a decade, we had cars like the Citroën C0, the VW e-Up, and so on. And in comes Tesla with luxury electric cars with bigger margins. And now we see legacy automakers investing in those bigger margin cars because they know they actually have buyers for cars that expensive.

@bluetoad2668

3 жыл бұрын

@@doggylover1958 that's how Tesla stays competitive, they use that to their advantage

@doggylover1958

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluetoad2668 Tesla are not just skimming huge profits and banking them like other manufacturers. They have invested heavily in the Supercharger network and that has a huge influence in the buying decision, particularly when the alternative non Tesla charging infrastructure is so appallingly poor (at least in the UK). Would I rather use a Tesla super charger or try my luck with an ecotricity charger ? It’s a no brainier. On the R&D point Renault Zoe 40 kWh in 2017 could be bought for £16,000. Renault Zoe 50 kWh 2021 costs £33000. (Govt grant reduces that to £30,000). No further R&D done, they just fitted a 10 kWh bigger battery to essentially the same car and doubled the price. Tell me we are not being ripped off.

Love this review! I am not the biggest Citroen fan but this looks decent!

I've got one of these coming in March. Can't wait!

I agree, the artificially high price is just to prevent sales. The gizmos are inexpensive to add and it would probably cost most of the savings to have a second production run without them. I like the way the speed control uses the traditional, and appropriate, two chevrons.

I would pay a lot to have Kryten's voice be my sat nav!

@davidstuart4915

3 жыл бұрын

..there u go Robert - another revenue stream :) - wouldnt want Holly v 1.0 though....!

I shall be doing an infotainment walk-through video guide on my channel of the e-C4 so you can also learn how to turn off the Sat Nav voice - it isn't out yet but keep an eye on my channel!

Your intro is one of the best I've seen in years. Another very good video and review, too bad we seldom see Citroën in the U.S.A.

very nice video, i am getting one in the middle of december and its going to be the shine sport version and in Red Elixier color and its really going to be great and i really cant wait for it, i am really happy about it....greetings from flemming hansen

"this car is really very nice" for almost all the video, very informative

Kryton would have had no probz dealing with that sat nav.......

Some fantastic points raised from the robot in Red Dwarf! 👍

I always enjoy this channel and extra much this video as the owner of a VW ID.3, because it is always interesting to see how a similar car from a competitor performs!

One little recommendation and I love you and your work: - Always stat with the range (the realistic one) - Next, how long does it take to charge, - Next, how long much does it cost to charge from 0% --> 100% - Next, price! - Next, Warranty: For how long and what is exactly covered. Thank you

@FFVoyager

3 жыл бұрын

Charging from 0 to 100% is massively unrealistic. In reality 10% to 80% is all you will do in the real world. You won't be pulling up to chargers in turtle mode very often, nor will you be sitting on them to top the battery up to 100% wuthout pissing off other EV drivers waiting to charge.

@TeddyAlFarra

3 жыл бұрын

@@FFVoyager I understand, but you would charge from 5% realistically speaking to like 95% at home and rarely on a fast charger. In which case, I would love to know how long it'll take, how much it'll cost, and what is the realistic range of driving normally, without cruise control.

@GAmbrose

3 жыл бұрын

@@TeddyAlFarra Not many people are going to be charging from 5% at home either.

@zenbudhism

3 жыл бұрын

Cost to charge us proportionalnto battery size for all evs

@FFVoyager

3 жыл бұрын

@@GAmbrose or care that much as they will be doing it when they are not using the car!

11:47 'why can't you buy this electric car WITHOUT all the extra equipment at a cheap price? I haven't seen an answer for that'. This is easy to answer: mainstream manufacturers do not have the production infrastructure (e.g. battery production capacity) to sell E-cars in large numbers. Hence, throwing in all this extra stuff they can argue for a high 'luxury price' and thus keep sales numbers down to managable levels.

@FlyingFun.

3 жыл бұрын

Gadgets are cheap to fit for the manufacturer , the big markup is just an excuse for more money, my guess is they dont want to sell anything electric cheap because they cannot make enough batteries for high volume and people will just buy them anyway.

@grahamariss2111

3 жыл бұрын

Because they want to exploit the rich seam of early adopters who are willing to pay premium to go electric, add in that thanks to the favourable tax rate they want to move people to a higher price point.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

You can buy an electric car without all the "extras", trouble is they aren't much cheaper. The cost of the battery is still very expensive and that's the real problem. Throwing in lots of kit doesn't actually add much to the cost of the car, but makes it look better value. Removing most of the fancy stuff would remove about £1,500 max from the list price!

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

@@grahamariss2111 early adopters...weren't they around 10 years ago?

@grahamariss2111

3 жыл бұрын

@@musclerent Would be nice if that was now the reality, but with BEV still making up less than 10% of the market they are still not the mainstream choice, which is why they are still coming to market with premium priced 1st Editions.

Nice review as usual 👍🏻❤️ You covered everything about it.

Also a good idea would be fit the charging cables under the 'Bonnet', easy to get to rather than under the boot floor.

The answer to your question Bobby , is that legacy automakers have to hide their pricing strategy by overloading with options (that you are still paying for) to falsely claim EV are far more expensive than the equivalent ICE vehicle. Otherwise JoePublic might just leave them with 10 million unsold oil burners

Finally a critical review !

I have the same one "shine pack " Best and Beautiful !!🤩👍

A clean cockpit with some buttons, looks very nice/calm inside.

"There's some good shizzle in this car" haha! love the review of the car 😎

"good shizzle" watch out Robert, you might attract some younger viewers! lol great stuff as always.

Citroen is the most underrated car company; they have Dakar and WRC more than any other car brand

So when we had the Citroën DS, it was the Goddess (Déesse). Now this one is merely ‘here’ ( ici ).

@madalinam6183

3 жыл бұрын

Lovely.

The MG range is the no frills alternative. I would describe my MG ZS as boring but adequate. It's very safe and has android auto. Its a bit like the Citroen except it was 8k cheaper than that citroen. So if you want plain and boring, save some money.

Good to see they have sensibly retained physical switches and dials.

@bluetoad2668

3 жыл бұрын

There speaks someone who's never owned a Tesla.

@steved7085

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, and there are reasons I don't own a Tesla.

@CorwynGC

3 жыл бұрын

You LIKE the switch by the cup holders that changes the screen to show charging details? Why?

@bluetoad2668

3 жыл бұрын

@@steved7085 I wonder how many you'd still have after living with one for a month

@steved7085

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluetoad2668 I'm way too picky and very particular about my car ownership and the experience I get from it. So in respect to that, I will not be happy owning a Tesla. That said, I like what Tesla have done to the car industry, I think it's brilliant. I do plan on buying an EV in the near future, however it's likely to be an Audi E-Tron GT, or similar.. depending on other choices.

thanks for posting

Good to have the car front heavy, fwd in snow or ice needs the weight. The basic C4 in Iceland costs 20% less vs the full Shine versin with 11 kwh charger. 22.975 pound up to 27.5 fully stocked

Future note: When the sat nav is giving directions, use the volume control to mute it.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

Or simply use the voice control to stop the sat nav

@AshleyWilsonAU

3 жыл бұрын

@@musclerent Well he probably wanted the visual directions; just not the sound messing up his recording.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

@@AshleyWilsonAU I doubt that very much. What's more likely is whoever delivered the car to that location used the sat nav and it was trying to route him back there

Looks like something a middle aged french office worker would drive

A few things were mentioned, when you get a longer time with cars maybe add: on route planning, display of charging speed (when am I waisting time/money ), car prepping battery for fast charging. So details of the electric car part

They were all like, "What's the Terminator?"

“The high end of perfectly acceptable” Haha! Looks good 👍🏻

Dear Robert, Thank you for your application to join our marketing department, I'm afraid your application this time has not been successful. Perhaps a course on marketing speak would help. Words like "very acceptable" and "who could get excited by..." and so on are just not what we are looking for right now. LMAO.

Robert is the greatest EV Reviewer of the 2. He is enthusiastic on the small little details that someone might miss, but he's on it, describing the vehicles.

Another software adjustment is needed: the cruise control's "Adaptive" feature remains activated at all times once the cruise control is engaged. This poses a risk as the vehicle may decelerate during overtaking manoeuvres under specific motorway conditions. Currently, the distance control settings are limited to approximately 3, 2, and 1-second following distances. Introducing an additional setting of "0" seconds on the same control would effectively deactivate the Adaptive Distance Control, ensuring safe overtaking. Kindly address this issue promptly.

As someone who gets cold hands... dreaming of heated steering wheel at least 3 months of the year.

@barney2001

3 жыл бұрын

They are as nice as you imagine they are. Work well even when wearing gloves.

@alanmulcahy7749

3 жыл бұрын

As a cheapskate, I never expected to drive such luxury, but after a little driving in a new Kia eNiro, I am finding heated steering and seats very nice!

@cbcdesign001

3 жыл бұрын

Robert probably has a very large warm garage he keeps his cars in, not the drive like we do where they get cold at times and its painful to hold the wheel.

I’d go for the Mokka-e over this.

The point you make about the basic model is VERY WELL MADE! If I recall correctly, the MOKA reviewed detailed a £10,000 difference between the petrol and the Electric! WTF!!!!

that was a good ev breakdown, thanks very entertaining

Robert, do you guys ever get to see some sunshine? What another gloomy looking day in the UK.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

It's winter in the UK

@theheathkitshop2424

3 жыл бұрын

@@musclerent it’s winter where I live, too. But I still have sunny days.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

@@theheathkitshop2424 well I don't know if you're in the UK but in early February there aren't many sunny days...you're more likely to get snow

@theheathkitshop2424

3 жыл бұрын

@@musclerent so far, I've generated 267kwhs from my gird tie solar in feb in ohio of all places. I got a quite a few more days to go. Last Feb, I did 427kwh in Feb.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

@@theheathkitshop2424 I've got a grid tied system as well. Feb will probably see 120kw because it's winter. It's been getting dark at 4pm

I’m surprised that the USP of this car, its suspension system and ride comfort, wasn’t dwelt on.

@FFVoyager

3 жыл бұрын

Do modern Citroens care much about that? My guess it will be nowhere near as nice to ride in compared to my old hydropnumatic BX's and Xantia.

@twasb2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@FFVoyager it's actually as good or even better, hard a quick test drive and the mix of electric silence and great suspension has almost tipped me towards getting one.

@spsmith45

3 жыл бұрын

@@FFVoyager Other reviewers have noted the comfortable seats and smooth ride. One compared it to a BMW 7 series. Modern Citroëns don’t quite glide like a DS, GS or CX, but the special dampers they use do allow for a soft setting.

@carlgeorgtsigakis498

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. Also I drove it the other day, and I was amazed on how quiet it was compared to its comparable rivals. Not mentioned at all..

Here in Denmark you can buy the e-c4 in the LIVE sku which only has basic feature like a standard cruise control and halogen headlights. No HUD, No keyless, No Heated seats, No sunroof, No parkingsensors, etc. So it must depend on the market whether it is available

This channel gets better and better every time I see it 👌

any chance of a people carrier EV? also, when will car hire companies (enterprise, Europcar etc.) start giving worthwhile options in the EV space?

@xxwookey

3 жыл бұрын

Nissan e-nv200 Evalia has been out a few years. It does that. Mercedes EQV is posher, longer-range one. Not cheap though.

@ramblerandy2397

3 жыл бұрын

Mercedes make one. The EQV. It's impressive for 2015-16. It's not 2016 anymore.

@bluetoad2668

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramblerandy2397 oh but it is for most companies, they are desperately delaying EVs because if they are adopted too fast it'll put a huge ICE shaped hole in their balance sheets. Thank god for them there isn't a mass producer of EVs disrupting the space for them, oh, wait.... that'd be Tesla then

@ramblerandy2397

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluetoad2668 Which is why they frame Tesla as a disrupter.

I agree Robert the old ICE manufacturers are front loading the extras to offset the loss of revenue from servicing I suspect, just wait for the Chinese to pull the rug from under them?

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

How much do you think the battery costs v a petrol engine and gearbox?

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

The Chinese already sell electric cars here

@bluetoad2668

3 жыл бұрын

Errrm....I think Tesla is standing there holding a big rug right now

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluetoad2668 What does that mean?

You really made me smile with this review. Top form.

They have the basic Feel level without dynamic cruise control or seat warmers. My Shine doesn't have sun roof or massage. I drive about 800km a week so speed charging will be the way to go. Really nice car to drive and I'm spoiled with a MB ML 350 and a new Audi A4 for the past 5 years 😁

"at the high end of perfectly acceptable" - for £30k. I agree - prices need to come down by jettisoning gimmicks.

@Matticitt

3 жыл бұрын

The gimmicks don't really cost the company much that's why they're bundling them in to make the price more acceptable. Electric components are expensive. Removing them won't reduce the price much.

When is the Grand one coming?! The Grand C4 Picasso is my family car and I can't wait to swap it for an electric one.

@toyotaprius79

3 жыл бұрын

A C4 Picasso (a feat of stylistic genius) as an EV would be a dream.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

It isn't. Try a C5 instead

@MrGonzonator

3 жыл бұрын

@@musclerent boo. I don't want an SUV, I want an MPV.

@musclerent

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrGonzonator it isn't a SUV. Maybe consider an MG5 etc

@MrGonzonator

3 жыл бұрын

@@musclerent not big enough. C4 Picasso has three full sized independently reclining and folding seats in the second row, and in the Grand they also slide a good 25cm. Extremely versatile.

Hi, love your enthusiasm in these reviews. I would be interested to know a little more about ride, handling and cornering in the cars? It's important for me that a car is comfortable but does not drive like a wardrobe on wheels like some larger Citroëns and Vauxhauls I have sometimes driven over the years!

@laxlax9960

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. Soo electric reviewer let's hear it pls

Ford I rented fortnight ago had a mute icon on the sat nav! absolutely bliss!

I think you were right about pricing last time, there keeping the price artificially high so as to sell all the ice engines there manufacturing.

@pbyfr

3 жыл бұрын

The market is also not ready. Most people wanting an EV would go to the fully equipped model. And at 2/3 of the price, a basic model (ICE or EV) is in fact very expansive.

@toyotaprius79

3 жыл бұрын

Simply keeping the profit margins up. That and PSA/Citroen might be lightly forgiven if they created this as an *_e-C4 Pallas_*

@tonedcos

3 жыл бұрын

My boss had a GSA back in the 80's, nippy car with 3 stage suspension, that would made a lovely cheap electric car.

Seems to be a horrible trend at the moment with ICE manufacturers, outpricing the EVs in favour of the ICE variants, it's a silly and damaging practice we hope to see the end of.

@pawefiett2468

3 жыл бұрын

I think we must wait for pure eve brands like Tesla... and Chinese will come out with something so affordable that all the big brands will have to stop this practice. And some will die!

@PeterChinkin

3 жыл бұрын

It's why I went with a cheaper Chinese MG5. Fewer bells and whistles but more power, more space, similar range, £10k lower price.

Yesterday we bought this car and its amazing ride, like scifi. We like it!

Go into the secondary Page on the satnav (the red button)...that brings up a button 'voice synthesis' which you can toggle on or off to mute the voice as you please. This means you can mute without leaving the satnav screen.

"This is the "citron" e-C4 first drive." Not very kind starting off calling the car a lemon!

@hg6996

3 жыл бұрын

This is what I also just thought! 😂

When this electric car dies, will it go to Silicone Heaven? Like the calculators?

@marknelson2073

3 жыл бұрын

Silicone Heaven? I think that's for Pamela Anderson. 😉

@madalinam6183

3 жыл бұрын

Oh that was good! KZread recommended this video after looking for a particular clip from Red Dwarf

@cbcdesign001

3 жыл бұрын

There is no silicone heaven.

@leeroychang

3 жыл бұрын

@@cbcdesign001 *shuts down*

Watched this when it was first posted and would like Robert to know that despite ‘speccing’ the EV variant with all the bells and whistles, this Citroen is depreciating fast which is exactly how I’ve afforded my cars over four decades plus. It’s currently November 2023 and there’s a 2022 Sunshine with 17,000 miles on the clock going for £17k on auto trader. It’s not alone either, so when I can get a two year old one for just under £15k, I think I’ll grab one. I agree with many of the comments here too, it’s a comfortable car with all the range we need for 95% of the time and we can top up using a fast charger a couple of times a year for longer journeys . Affordable EVs are here, they’re just two years old and packed with free options! 👍

@bordersw1239

15 күн бұрын

£19K now (May 24) for a pre reg with less than 100 miles.

...LEDs are...really brilliant.. ;)

the way you pronounce Citroen in French sounds like lemon in english

@quixomega

3 жыл бұрын

I've always thought that, all Brits seem to do that.

@lfo414

3 жыл бұрын

@@quixomega This Brit is losing his shit over his inane dribbling incompetence.

Can someone make an ev that's just 4 wheels and 5 seats I don't need or want the techy stuff in the cabin

@PeterChinkin

3 жыл бұрын

MG5?

A very good rant, which I agree with. A basic ev, at a basic ev price. Its what I am looking out for. So I think for me the Tesla Model 3 SR, seems to be a good fit, for most people moving into EV's, for the first time. Love your work Robert, always look forward to your next post. Stay safe 👍👍👍

Currently the volumes are there for variants on ICE, where as multiple variants on low volume EV cost the manufacturer more per unit. An example 2003 Range Rover all had a black sunroof switch from E39 . Land Rover design wanted clouded to match different headliner colors BMW said no due to added cost of variants.

Do you feel that you have to speak higher of the ev's that you review in the interest of furthering their rise in popularity? I feel that often the reviews come across as being more complimentary than perhaps they are deserving and wondered if this is the reason?

Robert never complains about the high price and options when he drives Teslas, just saying

@F.L.Publishing

3 жыл бұрын

Because they don't produce fossil fueled Vehicles to compare against! I feel that the higher price in regards to Tesla is down to production costs due to volumes, this will come down as they produce more, quicker! And don't forget TESLA is THE Marque when considering pure EV! in my opinion 🤗

Really wouldn't swap it for our e-Niro, for comfort space or range. Totally agree about need for affordability

Cruise control on the steering wheel! WOW, excellent, take note e2008, still not been able to use it on my e2008 as so badly placed.

By he way, Citroën is pronounced “sitro-N”.

@ABrit-bt6ce

3 жыл бұрын

In English speaking countrys it's mostly sitron or sitrOen. Kryten can say it any way his spare head feels like :)

Design is too fussy

You should be considering purchase price as only part of the Total Cost of Ownership. If running costs and maintenance are MASSIVELY lower then internal combustion vehicles, the Total Cost of Ownership of the EV will still be well lower, EVEN after the higher acquisition cost.

Good review as always. You have to turn the volume down when the sat nav speaks. I think on board sat navs are a pain in the posterior. Apple car play and either google maps or Waze for me EVERY time. You get up to date maps free for ever and traffic. I don’t know if there is a mute facility in my Corsa e ‘cause I don’t use it. The cheapest Corsa e is twenty something thousand and it’s the same car under the very expensive skin. Yes I know there are a lot of snobs out there who wouldn’t be seen dead in a Vauxhall but that’s their loss.....