Chinese J-20 Mighty Dragon Vs F-16 Viper | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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@numberyellow
26 күн бұрын
NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs SU-57, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs NGAD, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
He wasn't dead. He just got the ejection seat off temu.
@Orca19904
26 күн бұрын
Or Wish, since he wished it would've worked.
@SSJ4Brohan
26 күн бұрын
@@Orca19904 Ooooo!!!! 🤣
@markymarknj
25 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
J-20: I am a missile truck. Prolly should avoid the merge Viper, merging with 3 bags: hold my beer
@mikeyplayz8438
26 күн бұрын
It doesn’t even look like a missile truck aerodynamically though?
@JAEUFM
26 күн бұрын
Beer in one of the bags, do not have to hand it off?
@xv6701
26 күн бұрын
@@mikeyplayz8438 it’s more of a missile forklift.
@forzaelite1248
26 күн бұрын
@@mikeyplayz8438 It's somewhat boxy for straight line drag reduction at high speed and altitude with canards, large wings, and twin engines. Missile trucking might be a little much but it's definitely a high alt air to air fighter
@thorstenkurafeiski1845
26 күн бұрын
After watching a few videos I came to the conclusion that BVR missiles are easy to defend and work best in visible range. Is that a DCS thing?
This man could take one the Millennium Falcon flying a Hot Air Baloon and still have a decent chance of coming out on top
@drowsylettuce3031
26 күн бұрын
Star destroyer vs mobility scooter with wings is a fair fight for him
@dissent9959
26 күн бұрын
Don’t you mean the Millennium Viper?
@alexrator7674
26 күн бұрын
bro can dogfight a F-22 with a bomber and win
@GaionSputro
26 күн бұрын
Try a kite.
@Karackal
23 күн бұрын
To be fair, a hot air balloon is hard to beat in the one-circle.
10:15 "I dare not recommit" LOL good call. I think your assessment of the J-20 is spot on, it's a missile truck!
@ironcito1101
26 күн бұрын
It's made to fight over the Pacific. Long range, big payload, some measure of stealth, intended for BVR.
1993 i was honorably discharged from the navy. Doom came out and f 16 falcon. What a time.
@Nightwing01010
26 күн бұрын
F16 was 1978...
@subliminal1284
26 күн бұрын
@@Nightwing01010 Hes talking about the old F-16 Sim, Falcon....
@GaionSputro
26 күн бұрын
@@Nightwing01010 The falcon one.
@danaolsongaming
25 күн бұрын
And to think in just 4 years, the F-22 would make its first flight. Fucking wild considering how good it is.
@hihosilvuh9438
25 күн бұрын
Drinking and fighting?
Day 1 of thanking GS for his excellent content, and not demanding what I want instead.
@BilobateDrip
26 күн бұрын
👏 finally, a mature one of these 😊 You'd think people would still know how to entertain themselves. 🤷♂️
@static79
26 күн бұрын
Hell yeah brother.
@NoneyoBisniss
25 күн бұрын
Reality matters.
@rinzler9775
24 күн бұрын
Bam.
@ltjjenkins
18 күн бұрын
Day 6842 of asking paper airplane V. A-10.
That PL-15 flying formation with you 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hard not to love the 50yr old F16
"lemme just blast over this ship" And in that moment, everyone onboard instantly shit their pants.
@RonJeremy514
23 күн бұрын
They were probably cheering on the deck at first seeing the F-16 coming closer then this happened.
@numberyellow
23 күн бұрын
@@RonJeremy514 lol, never meet your heroes.
@origamichik3n
13 күн бұрын
"Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full".
Your combat awareness is unreal. Smooth operator as always
@firebald2915
26 күн бұрын
Yeah, his recall awareness is what wins his fights. Speed is life in this bird.... with three bags. hahaha
@flashrufa6306
23 күн бұрын
@@firebald2915 100%. Great minds think alike
Since I discovered this channel its been a great way to watch DCS while not being able to play to this extent, I'm going to go out on a limb and ask if a video of the F/A 18 vs a J-20 would be feasible. BVR or Fox-2 fight would be cool.
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 40
@jaconbits
26 күн бұрын
The Rhino would smoke the F-35. The F-35 is like a slightly shittier F-16, so it doesn't turn well.
@Mcree114
26 күн бұрын
@@jaconbits Yeah. Fat Amy isn't meant to merge, she smokes the F/A-18 in BVR of course.
@mikeyplayz8438
26 күн бұрын
F35 is good for one turn. Better AoA than the hornet, for the first turn only. Then it loses its speed, can’t gain it back, and gets smoked.
@Mav09
26 күн бұрын
@@jaconbits US Marine Corps Maj. Dan Flatley- "If I went out and fought an F/A-18 on day one I’d get destroyed," said Flatley. "But if you do what the jet is really good at, you can do things those other jets wouldn’t dream of." I believe that the F-35C would have a great chance of winning. In GS's most recent F-35 video it got a 2:1 kill ratio on a MiG-29 (The MiG-29 has maneuverability comparable to a Hornet). Plus, F-35 pilots say it can point its nose at the enemy as well or better than the Hornet.
@Mav09
26 күн бұрын
@@mikeyplayz8438 yes but the F-35 does have excellent acceleration. Even better than the F-22…
the J-20 shall now be called the "scary squirrel".
@greatBLT
26 күн бұрын
J-20 Kooky Dragon
@MrGriff305
26 күн бұрын
That one was good for a chuckle 😅
@rexmann1984
26 күн бұрын
I've always liked Fwaming Dwagon.
@Ruteger100
25 күн бұрын
@@rexmann1984 You get an "A".
@apbtdad
24 күн бұрын
J-20 Paper Dragon going down in flames
Thank you for all this quality content! It would make me happy if you would do an F-16 video with the fin flash of the 179th Fighter Squadron (Bulldogs) out of Duluth Air National Guard Station, Minnesota.
Are you fighting the J20 with bags on? Okay you dropped them. Dude you are a legend.
The purpose of the J20 is to get close to critical aircraft such as Air Refuellers, AWACS, and other critical assets. It's not meant to be a dog fighter since it lacks a gun. That's what the J15 Flying Sharks are for.
@GrowlingSidewinder
26 күн бұрын
correct its not intended to dogfight but it certainly is expected to BVR fighters, not just get close to awacs and tankers.
@arafat2924
26 күн бұрын
"close" being a relative term here
@jamegumb7298
20 күн бұрын
Stealth is also supposedly only good from the frontal arc. It is expected to get close, fire, not get away.
@JohnBlutarski
18 күн бұрын
@@jamegumb7298Not get away? That's a bummer for the pilot
@Gongolongo
9 күн бұрын
That is actually a myth by those who don't know much about aircraft and assume so simply by estimated size. We only confirmed a couple years ago that it is in fact smaller than a Flanker when we thought it was bigger for the first several years. Aerodynamic models have estimated that the J-20 can in fact be incredibly agile with excellent nose control (we wouldn't know unless we have the real thing). Dog fighting is not it's primary role but it is an air superiority fighter. It isn't an "interceptor" or "sniper" that civilians in the West have coined for it. Lectures in Chinese military academies have all clearly presented the J-20 to be used as an air superiority fighter. Otherwise, it wouldn't have internal PL-10 bays.
clenching my arm when that PL-12 was so close on your tail
I think I noticed something at 12:33 - 12:35. While you two were in the merger and you dropped the tanks, he got a missile off. I think the missile either locked onto the chaff or the ejected tanks.
Hell of a fight, i love the bvr content, been missing it recently
The island and the ship gave a clearer sense of where everyone was as this thing unfolded.
That is the thing with stealth: A larger radar will see the aircraft and a modern SAM will not have to guide the missile all the way. A modern radar guided missile should not be hindered by flying in ground clutter as there will be enough doppler signal. Stealth will help against the missile homing but only at select angles.
@JohnBlutarski
18 күн бұрын
Is that also the case for US stealth jets like F22 and F35?
It’s crazy how plane v plane fight from 1939 to now is so insanely different apart from each other it’s such a crazy leap when you seat to think about it
"Probably coming over here..." Nicely put.
What's up with the funny loops the smoke trails from the patriot is making?
@GrowlingSidewinder
26 күн бұрын
I have no idea, it’s new though.
@giovannyc.1724
26 күн бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder Turbulent wind distorting the smoke? Is this modeled in DCS?
@itsdokko2990
26 күн бұрын
idk...uh..self-stabilization maybe?
@RonJeremy514
23 күн бұрын
It's made just for that, to look funny and cool to raise the operator's morale.
@Neptune_Gaming
10 күн бұрын
Patriot has a bit of hangover from last night that's all
Very stylish triple tank drop, in the middle of a one-circle too! I can't process that much detail once I'm in a fight. One day though 😢
This is the captain of the U.S. blew my windows out and nearly got me hit by a missile!!! Lol
That middle view was crazy
You are awesome dude
You had a 50/50 shot when that PL-15 was chasing you. If you would’ve banked left then that F16 would most likely be in the ocean..lol!
That was a very cool fight. It seemed like a very tech book fight by the F-16.
I imagine that ship captain understood the frustration of the flight tower of any base that Maverick was at.
7:04 I was just waiting for him to look back after saying that and seeing smoke and fire from that poor civilian ship. LOL
Ahh man a POV from the ship when you shot off the fox 3 woulda been legendary
Flying in formation with that missile
Ain't no way wjth them delta wings that the j20 is gonna maintain energy. Like you said, one good turn and that's it.
@mikeyplayz8438
26 күн бұрын
Guy called Fly-by-wire, G-Limiter, and Fox 2 missiles:
@pyronuke4768
26 күн бұрын
But sometimes, that's all you need.
@__-vb3ht
26 күн бұрын
What are the characteristics that allow a plane to maintain energy? I have heard people talk about that with WWII fighters, how some are better at maintaining energy than others etc., but I never heard why that is
@_cyantist
26 күн бұрын
where do people get the idea that delta wings = lose energy?
@itsdokko2990
26 күн бұрын
@@__-vb3ht Real Engineering's video of the F-16 might answer what you're asking
That was in a word...INTENSE...
One of the first toys I remember as a kid was a bicentennial F-16. The F-16 is still my favorite plane.
would love to see J-20 vs F-15 in BVR
@Overneed-Belkan-Witch
26 күн бұрын
Done already
J-20's currently sold out on TEMU.
Just like how everyone is the same height on the mat in wrestling (unless you are bryan danielson or shibata), Everyone has the same odds in a merge in a dogfight (unless you are an f22 or su 57 😂)
We need a J20 vs YF23 @GrowlingSidewinder!
I was wondering if we were gonna see another UFO assist moment with that last PL-15 lol
Man I really want to see you fly the f111 advark
Well done
The American victory method, using F16 to defeat China's J-20 in DCS, is like using F15 to defeat SU57 in Top Gun, we Americans really love to watch these shows
Good fight!
I've heard the J-20 is fulled by a Mr. Fusion energy reactor.
DCS is funny. It's easy to detect and lock on a J-20 than on a F-15
@HailAzathoth
23 күн бұрын
Is that actually funny though?
@eliomarlacerda2364
23 күн бұрын
@@HailAzathoth i was been sarcastic
nice shout out to Sioux City!
Gotta love the flyby on the chinese tanker. No wonder your ears were burning from all the chinese cursing at u😂
aw man, now let’s see an F-18 versus the J-20!!
10:18 That thing is just vibin
Like the new hoody Think… it’s not illegal yet
Flying in cormation with a missile for a few seconds there... 😂
It’s interesting how the SU-30 was so much more difficult a fight than the J-20. Mostly due to missile and radar range.
@traviswalker8933
26 күн бұрын
The Su-30 can also dogfight pretty well and shred the F-16 which the J-20 cannot do.
@bradj6985
26 күн бұрын
Having that Patriot taking pot shots didn't hurt either :D
@originalcolor
26 күн бұрын
@@traviswalker8933 The thrust-weight ratio of Su30SM is even lower than the original Su27.
@traviswalker8933
26 күн бұрын
@@originalcolor and? That doesn't make it a poor performer. I know you're a US fighter jet fanboy but please, give credit where its due. And fix your spelling while you're at it.
@VeXu666
25 күн бұрын
@@traviswalker8933 statistically migs and su's suck compared to US fighter plane. Todays US fighter planes are far too stealthy and advaced that russians couldn't stand a chance.
Do you happen to have a video out on graphics settings? your game always looks so smooth and crisp and I can't get it to look quite like that. Maybe because im mostly on public multiplayer servers? dunno.
him: i'm at a disadvantage also him: 6:30
@6:40 reminds me for the movie: Blue Thunder when a fox2 just led into a kitchen of a fastfood restaurant (nobody hurts tho) :)
6:45 "GOD DAMMIT, MAVERICK!!!"
Prowling Sidewinder 😎
Accidentally flies in formation with PL-15
A Chinese missile hitting a neutral civilian ship would not help China secure allies, though.
Like Rock Lee taking his weights off
love when a bvr gets to the merge
Hey GS just wanted to say I love the guns only stuff! But I feel like the F-16 is the perfect contender for the SU-47 Berkut. The F-16 being intentionally unstable and the Berkut being a good at slow speed... Should be a good match for both! 😁
Overall, the F-16 has impressed me the most, and as you pointed out, it always excels at a majority of mission sets and built to be a dog fighter and does it well. If I had to pick one, it would be the F-16. But, if I didn't have to pick, I love them all, quirks and all. ;-)
When you said something about the J-20 having a lot of flares, I thought to myself "well yeah the chinese did invent the firework" lmao
J20 gave em the ole become a submarine to escape trick.
When are we getting some Vought F-8 Crusader action?
Video idea: I-16 vs Su-57 Felon
GS makes the PL-15 look as ineffective as a Sparrow!
Yo GS u should do j-20 vs f-16 dogfight just for fun it would be a interesting fight 😂
This matchup reminds me of the early-model F-4 Phantoms vs the MiG-21 over Vietnam; if the MiGs could close to dogfighting range of the Phantoms, they had all the advantage since they had guns and the F-4's didn't, just like how the F-16 has a gun and the J-20 doesn't. Both the early Phantoms and the J-20 were meant to be missile trucks, not dogfighters.
Air force is gonna need you bro
12:31 it looks like his IR missile bit off on your tanks as you released them? Or maybe pre-flares?
@hussamisen
26 күн бұрын
I was thinking the samething xD
@pyronuke4768
26 күн бұрын
Did he fire an IR? I can't tell.
@Gringo111R
26 күн бұрын
@@pyronuke4768 yes take a close at the J-20 as the tanks jettison away from the F-16
@pyronuke4768
26 күн бұрын
@@Gringo111R he's like directly in the sun. It looks more like a flare to me.
@Gringo111R
26 күн бұрын
@@pyronuke4768 Pause at 12:32 and look left of the flares, you'll see it separate to the left from the J-20
F16 with those external fuel tanks under the wings is the sexiest plane in the world
12:34 Patriot: "Get outta here I say."
F-16 supersonic at 50 feet with 3 bags 2 ammies and a couple of sides. Crazy how fast that thing is.
Would like to see the J20 vs the F35 same type of fight.
Any F-111 options? That would be badass....
@Orca19904
26 күн бұрын
Imagine him recreating the EF-111 maneuver kill from Desert Storm. :P
Hey GS, any reason why the pilots legs are suddenly visible in your videos?
@GrowlingSidewinder
26 күн бұрын
I turned on the pilot model, it was recently added to the f16 by DCS
@firebald2915
26 күн бұрын
Plus, the reclining ejection seat POV.
13:44 "Splash one J-20"... *LITERALLY.*
Low Observable Missile Truck 😎
Now this same scenario with the f15 eagle and the f-35 please and thank you
The Chinese are coping with the US technology on these planes, no way they could develop them so fast.
@PrimaSiPensaDopoSiFa
16 күн бұрын
Lol, lmao even.
Nice work - my only critique is you dragged those empty tanks around for too long.
@GrowlingSidewinder
26 күн бұрын
Agreed, not gonna lie I forgot about them lol
@ivanthemadvandal8435
25 күн бұрын
Our boy's just trying to do us tax payers a solid and bring em back
Tragic missed opportunity to drop your tanks on the tanker
This was one secret episode of Sh*TS and Giggles 😂
Remember that the j20 is a " awacs killer" not really a fighter for the f22
I think the J20 is now available on Temu and Shein.
F-16. 50 yo grandpa still kicking upitty yobs in the backside. Very well thought through aircraft to be still doing that, albeit with upgrades, all these decades later. Sign of superb engineering.
cool
hey, if your system can handle it, could you do one massive engagement with the F-22 and F-35 VS J-20 and Su-57?
Still waiting for GS to drop the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”
Can you do the J20 vs Su57 ? I want to know which new stealth aircraft is better than each others
IDC if you're in a merge, don't go dropping my tanks.
This could be plausible in about 10 years. Greetings from Argentina my brother!!!
@Vsor
26 күн бұрын
more like 10 months lol.
@santiagosepulveda5228
26 күн бұрын
@@Vsor 🤣🤣🤣I hope not!!!
While watching the always beautiful F-16, I was wondering if there was an F-16XL in DCS?? 🤔
We are FLAMING DRAGON