Château de la Grifferaie S3, E14 "Roman Wells and Hidden Tunnels"
In this episode we search for the fabled Tunnel to Echemire, as well as searching for the Gallo Roman Well, and other mysteries.... Thanks to our Patreon friends for their support. www.patreon.com/user?u=488949....
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The second well with the side tunnel, those bats must have come in from somewhere. That must lead off somewhere
@Tammy2117
Жыл бұрын
That was my thought too. Curious where it goes.
I would invite archaeologist to come for a dig to see if you can uncover the tunnels. They would have ways to see below the ground which would help.
Under the kitchen looked to be a wine cellar or cold storage area. Possibly coal storage area too cause it looked to be another access hole at ceiling. The big depressions area in the woods looked to some sort of collapsed tunnel system to me. I would try and stick some sort of camera down the hole. There was bricks and support structure in that hole it looked like to me. Very cool discoveries though 👍🏻
@davidhoover4063
24 күн бұрын
You are close! That room would have been filled with ice in the winter so they could use it all summer. Ice was a big luxury in those days. There were no ways to create ice until refrigeration came along.
The stones along the top tell me that is not some animal bunker. How cool that you get to explore those tunnels! The anticipation is great!
@careybrown3776
2 жыл бұрын
With that sunken depression in the ground if it is a tunnel it would already be filled with dirt and water by now.
Someone needs to tell Rob that flip flops and ladders don't mix. Lol. Remember safety first. Lol I wonder if since that space in the kitchen was originally a wine cellar? Very curious! Love your vlogs!
@frankcurley
2 жыл бұрын
I think you are correct, place to keep wine or food items cool.
@lisaakinlabi
2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same about the flip flops. LOL
I love you both and this channel. I do have to speak my concern about being safe. Guano “ bat poo” can make you VERY VERY sick when breathing in. Wearing filtered sealed masks goggles and full gear and boots will ensure your personal safety. Along with cave exploration…anything greater than 3 feet depth you should carry 2 flashlights, fully charged cell phone and shovel or pocket trough in case of cave in of above or floor below you. I am shocked that you would climb down in flip flops shorts and tee seeing that rubble was filling nearly most of that floor space. Never let curiosity think above wisdom and put you at risk.
Get someone with a remote control Car and put camera with lights and explore the tunnel in the woods. The stones along the top appear to be placed by hand. Over the years it’s filled in with mud and debris.
I agree that those bats entered that well through a tunnel somewhere underground and then up with an exterior entrance. Also, those stones that are at the top of that hollowed out area in the side of that mound look manmade to me, just saying ! You really need to do some excavating on that site ! So much fun y'all !
@dawn7612
Жыл бұрын
A digger or bulldozer would be quicker...
In regards to the depressions in the ground, the first thing I thought of was burials. Love this kind of stuff. I lived above an old carriage house and found lots of hidden rooms. So exciting!
Have you thought about Ground Penetrating Radar? It probably has been suggested but it would be a quick and inexpensive way to locate tunnels.
May I recommend that anyone engaging in these ventures, wear closed toe shoes, preferably boots. I cringed when I saw flip flops in an unknown area with debris.
I agree with carlsonrobb. In the second well, there appeared to be a small tunnel of some kind leading off into darkness. The bats came out of it, so there must be something there. They have to live down there somewhere. I love the mystery about the well and the tunnel and your discovery in the woods. Eager to learn more!
I believe that during WW2 the owners of many Chateau’s buried/hid things of value including wine and the like to avoid it getting into enemy hands. Just something to think about….
In Chateau du LA Lande they had the same kind of " bomb shelter" area and it was actually the sewage. And the hole you saw in the ceiling may have gone to a toilet. The toilets back then were basically boards with a hole in them. The waste would just fall down into a pit like the one under your refrigerator.
@allisonrobb5329
2 жыл бұрын
Kim this is what I am thinking. Its common in France to have old 'fosse etanche' under houses. This one looks like it was supposed to drain away.
@dawn7612
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the cesspool my husband and boys dug at our cabin. Then the 8'deep hole was lined with cinder block walls with no mortar for water to filter out through. The sewage went in and the water drained away leaving sludge or like Leslie described "looked like mud floor but was cracked and dry appearing like stones". Makes perfect sense that it is an old dried up sesspool from long ago. My husband says if the water could go out thru the stones then it is a cesspool. If the water would have stayed in then it would have been a cistern for catching water.
@davidhoover4063
24 күн бұрын
I saw that la londe episode too. This room being directly under the kitchen means it was an ice room. They would fill that in the winter for summer use.
Intrepid explorer in flip-flops.... I postulate that those 'craters', and that stonework as collapsed foundations for old buildings, Perhaps some of the Roman ruins accompanying the well. Or, even tough there was no ground war in those parts, stray aerial bombs (either misdropped, or jettisoned) can be found in unlikely places all across Europe.
Very interesting and can't wait for someone to explore the mysterious areas. I agree there has to be tunnels. And I would have all kinds of protective gear and lights when exploring. Janice from Arkansas USA
Fascinating! When you're back wintering and teaching in North America, watch a bunch of the old Time Team episodes (British archaeologists digging stuff up and educating as they go) - perhaps you can learn from them how parch marks or conversely extra green places in your meadows can indicate presence of underground structures. If the property has been occupied since Roman times, you probably have all sorts of interesting archaeology in your ground.
@dawn7612
Жыл бұрын
I doubt it was occupied since Roman times. That name 'Roman well' is just a description of a type of well that they copied from another century.
Most all tunnels originated under the chateaux. Either the current one or one previously on the land. There has to be an entrance in the cellar areas of the château that has been covered over.
Greetings from AZ. Absolutely stunning Chateau. What an adventure! Thank you for sharing it with us. You two are fun to watch. The 2nd Well has side tunnel… you can get drone with camera. The bats came into the well from some opening.
Sounds like the cesspool my husband and boys dug at our cabin. Then the 8'deep hole was lined with cinder block walls with no mortar for water to filter out through. The sewage went in and the water drained away leaving sludge or like Leslie described "looked like mud floor but was cracked and dry appearing like stones". Makes perfect sense that it is an old dried up sesspool from long ago. My husband says if the water could go out thru the stones then it is a cesspool. If the water would have stayed in then it would have been a cistern for catching water.
The basement may be the foundation of an original kitchen to a prior building as Chateau kitchens were typically in basements. There is charred looking stone walls lower to the rubble “ground”. Perhaps part of the huge fireplaces once used for cooking. Looks like newer cement ceiling domed to provide strength against weight above. My guess only
Rob and Leslie, I live in Halifax and we have had a fortress, called The Citadel here since 1749. It is made of stone and has some vaulted rooms. The vaulted rooms are for storing munitions and explosives as the shape of the roof minimizes the force that reaches other rooms and directions if things were to go terribly wrong in the storage room.
@dawn7612
Жыл бұрын
Makes sense...
So very exciting and it would be really cool to see you continue with the discovery. The well with the tunnel seems to be very unusual. Why would someone dig a well then dig a tunnel to attach to it? The bats obviously did not fly in from the entrance you opened so they had to have come in from down that tunnel. There must be an entrance somewhere that the they fly in and they did not seem to be too worried about getting out of it so they must know there is another way out.
Would ground penetrating radar be out of the question? Maybe some of your subscribers have access to something like this? Would be interesting to see into all the walls of the castle...Love your work and videos.. God Bless and take care my friends...
The tunnel under the refrigerator could possibly lead to an old septic tank or for that type of structure, a cesspit. This would’ve been built at the beginning of the 20th century or end of the 19th century. You need to look above to see if at one time there was a water closet that’s what the hole in the back of the vault would have been for. These water closets would look like an indoor outhouse with a wooden bench structure at the back with possibly a porcelain bowl going to the cesspit. We just discovered one of these in our Château in a section that was built around 1906. The wooden bench area was replaced with a modern toilet but the location of the toilet was odd given the size of the room.
Could the depresions be clay extraction holes for brick making ? In the "old" days most bricks were made locally for use on the estate. I think you need to get some experienced cavers in to explore the tunnel down the well. It must have at least one other entrance. Great video's. regards from the UK
That was so interesting, the mystery continues!! Love it. Looking forward to seeing your new bathrooms. Caroline xx
Other château channels have similar rooms or structures as under the kitchen. They have said those vaulted rooms were for food storage or weapon storage.
also in dry periods the grass above tunnels is possible dry, so lifting a drone up to see from above, maybe you can see a tunnel patern ... But isnt the depressed earth from the tunnel that caved in, I see bricks in the hole ...
Maybe later used as cool storage for root vegetables? Very interesting.
The cellar under the kitchen has a much later brick wall (seems to be a really bad brick laying job) which probably separates the space from a tunnel.
Looks like a root cellar in the kitchen. Where the veg. would be kept. for the winter.
How interesting! You say the chateau was built on the site of previous buildings? Perhaps the arched spaces under your kitchen are the remains of an old "le cav," and are part of a massive, solid, and very old foundation. The construction seems far older than twentieth century (WWI or WWII); the huge stones in the arched ceiling... it seems unlikely they could have been constructed under the current chateau. Exciting discovery! The manhole in the gravel area next to the chateau, with the masonry side tunnel, water, and bats, looks like access to a rainwater drainage system. Where do your downspouts terminate? Perhaps they feed to that system. I agree with the other commenters about the holes in the woods and think you found the wild (sleeping) pig dens. It looks like they made great use of old underground, caved-in cellars. Great place to set up game cameras! Thank you for the videos! -Jo
Get one of those little tractor like remote control drone vehicles equipped with a camera to send into the tunnel and investigate.
I think the hole with bricks on top is an air vent to the tunnel you're looking for.
Always great to see what you’re up to. Looking forward to the bathroom remodels. ❤️
Borrow pits for building materials, a fishery to support the chateau.
I would.say that is a cess pit under the kitchen. The bats entered the second well from somewhere, follow where the junction goes.
Fun and fascinating! Enjoyed.
Exciting about the wells and the search!! Have fun and great seeing you again!
Also, MANY Chateaux have underground vaults to hold rainwater from elaborate gutters/downspouts. They can be used for watering lawns etc.
In the kitchen looks like cold food storage or a cellar. The holes could be air holes for tunnel.
Another possibility. The chateau builders may have excavated sand for the masonry and created the depressions.
Before we had fridges we had cool dark rooms for longer storage.
Can’t wait to hear more.
Maybe cleaning with 50/50 vinegar and water to kill the mold. Consider installing several dehumidifiers.
You need one of those ground x ray machines. They use them in a program called Time Team on uk tv. They find footings of old buildings or WW2 aircraft remains and other things. Meanwhile you could use a diagnostic camera to look inside. They’re not expensive and great for nooks and crannies! Good hunting!
They used to use dirt and or clay between the floor and ceiling as insulation so that is probably what is falling down in the bathroom.
Consider inviting Expedition Unknown (American TV show) to explore for the tunnel. I've seen them use equipment that basically xrays the ground.
It would be cool to get a well going. The one where the bats came out must have another access
Perhaps a historical society would like to help you guys find the tunnels at a reduced price or for free or someone with Ground Penetrating Radar in exchange for food and lodging while they do so? I also think metal detecting would be a really fun activity for kids to do in free time and help you all find artifacts - credit the finder and get a display cabinet for the findings to help motivate the future kids!
Very very interesting. Love watching this! Thanks guys!
ok, from the video, second cover that opened up had bats in the wellhead/tunnel, please note that there was no opening, so the bats came from the other end.. in the kitchen, it's a cheese storage.. the craters are more than likely hog wallows..
Concerning the area that looks like an overgrown bombed area (in your forest), maybe you could use some kind of telescopic camera? It would be a bit of an adventure to see what is beyond that hole’s entry. It may very well be critters that made that hole but that rock formation is telling me a different story :)
Enjoyed your exploration. Thanks
Agree with others that this looks like the cesspit found at LaLande. Also agree that the depressions in the woods could be where material was "mined" when the chateau was being built. If it was the tunnel it seems likely the depressions would be in a line. Or possibly old foundations. It will be very interesting when you explore further.
@dawn7612
Жыл бұрын
Makes sense . It sounds like the cesspool my husband and boys dug at our cabin. Then the 8' deep hole was lined with cinder block walls with no mortar for water to filter out through. The sewage went in and the water drained away leaving sludge or like Leslie described "looked like mud floor but was cracked and dry appearing like stones". Makes perfect sense that it is an old dried up sesspool from long ago. My husband says if the water could go out thru the stones then it is a cesspool. If the water would have stayed in then it would have been a cistern for catching water.
#3 site--boar & hare don't install bricks or a metal door... (could see on the left side). Use a (selfie) stick and put your camera into the holes & area off #2 that was arched passage!!
I wasn’t brave enough to enter that dark place so glad I can see it from a safe distance.
I thought that hole in the woods, when you zoomed in, showed bricks obviously too straight to be natural - meaning a man made something under all that dirt.
Super interesting adventures! While rabbit warrens can be big, the sunken areas are so large and uniform, it seems to me Roman ruins might be a good guess, though munitions blasting during WWII training make sense too. The stones in the opening look too regular; seem man-made to me. I'm in the "no flip-flops in the wine cellar' camp. I've had too many sprained ankles to go anywhere like that without work boots. Yes, I think the room under the kitchen is a wine cellar. You have exceeded your yearly quotient of bats, lol! :)
Tunnels that were filled in. I've noticed several chateau have those wells and tunnels
At 12:38 it looked like bricks or stones in a line. I don't think an animal would be able to do that.
Rob….love your T-shirt. That’s my husband’s favorite burger place. Your facial expressions are hilarious as well as your “bat” laugh at well #2! You are brave going below floor level in the kitchen….in shorts and flip flops!!! If I could have gone down there I would have put on a hazmat suit, very high boots, gloves, and googles but then again I wouldn’t have done it…😳🫣 You are one very brave man!! 👏👍🏻🙏
Refridgeration did not exist 100 years ago. We take ice for granted because we can make it. In the old days during winter they would fill that vaulted room with ice and it would keep all summer. They could keep food cold and have ice throughout the summer. It was a tremendous luxury.
those are definitely bomb craters. the stone blocks inside that hole could easily be limestone walls of a natural cave. limestone breaks in a block-like pattern. Regardless, the bare mound of soil in front of the hole has been dug out behind an animal digging, and compressed by being traveled over by the animal that occupies that hole.
That crawl space under the kitchen is almost certainly a coal cellar, imo. It looks pretty classic in design (with those vaulted ceilings/arches) and there is a secondary shoot coming up from the ceiling. I don't know where that shoot would be, but if it's outdoors it's possible that is where the coal would have been loaded into the cellar. If you google coal cellar you will see the similarities with your space.
@Theater00jock
Жыл бұрын
Also, the thing in your forest looks like a field drain.
You should put a wild game camera there and see if you can see anything using those tunnels.
I would have to start digging (good time while Issac is there ) and the wooded area where all the holes are has man made stone arch !!!
Wow, a lot yet to discover. Blessings.
I laughed so much at the 1st bat episode! I’d still be stuck to the spot. There is no way I’d have walked passed them.
Wow that was very interesting 🤗 🍰☕🌹🌹🍰☕ Good luck on all your projects 🍀 Love Sue❤❤❤🇬🇧❤❤❤
Are you two forgetting the bricks in that hole that looks like an arch? I think I’d be digging
Fascinating!
That cellar looks exactly like the one Ed and Anna Holmes from Chateau Lagorce jave which he renovated some months ago
Great imaginations you have.
Tunnel no. 2. Bats are entering via an opening. Where is that opening? Maybe it is the mystery hole. You have enough puzzles and projects to fill decades!
Many many chateaux and even farmhouses have cellars that are vaulted ceilings.
The owners of Chateau de Bueille have same things with a tunnel a blocked tunnels. May want to look into there vlogs.
It is possible that the large area under the kitchen could be an old cess pool and if that hole / opening seen in the ceiling could be where the cess pool was pumped out. BTW wild boar is btwn 60 - 100kg, based on your video there is no way a boar would enter that hole. That hole is possibly used by badger or fox or like was mentioned hare. pretty interesting finds. wear better shoes next time... 🙂
Ive watched several other chateau videos and the room with the vaulted ceiling under the kitchen I believe is a wine cellar.
Good idea about a remote control car with camera. Very interesting. It would be a huge benefit to you to get a functioning well.
What’s behind that kitchen wall? The original stairs getting down to the cellar area could have been where the arch is blocked up?
I think in the kitchen during the war they hide in there. It was a bowl and fork , it was a meal ……
poor bats, they suffer in the light
Maybe a “snake” type light camera would be helpful.
This is a very intriguing video, The stone in the woods seems to be manmade as clever as mother nature is I don't think she can stack them that way, the area under the kitchen looks like some part was walled off, maybe why it's just a room now giving the appearance of a shelter, I can't wait until you investigate further, and with the well the bats got there through some opening. this was fun trying to figure out the tunnels. Unfortunately, Europe had to deal with both world wars which no doubt has left some interesting history behind. Thanks for the video it was awesome. Love from NY.
What you did not notice was the mound you were standing on at the entrance to that hole, which by the way looked like it had a brick ceiling. I would suggest wearing proper shoes in case an area gives way. I see no hog activity at all. Use the USA's land sat site, its free. 😁
Wild hogs usually sleep out in the open and in groups. I doubt they are sleeping underground but be careful! Get you a couple of game cameras and set them up in that area facing the holes.
The last hole where all the depressions are. I would tape my cell phone on a stick and put it on video. Add a light to the stick. I mean like a very long branch and see the structure inside without going inside. Then you can determine if it is man made or not.
Could you get your hands on one of those cameras they put in pipes? Put one down those holes and see it it's rabbit ,bore or secret tunnel entrance
That stone arch is part of the foundation strength. You will find all the underneath of the chateau will look the same. And I dont doubt it was used as a bomb shelter in ww2. Very interesting video subject. I love crawly spaces.
I agree with other comments that the depressions in the woods may well be collapsed foundations of prior iterations of the chateau or other buildings. Those old cellars could easily be the source of the legend of "the tunnels." Small drone or robotic cameras would help investigate. You might see if a nearby university has any archaeology students who could do a dig/investigation. Chateau de Rosieres has done that.
So fun!
More cleaning to do in the "bomb shelter" :-) alos the wall with the slate tiles, you could take some out to see it there is anything on the other side ... And see if further up on the floor above there are no access points ... for a next cave ...
Wondering if there are any roman era coins at the bottom of that well. A metal detector and some waders would be a good friend of mine if I were you.
Tunnel 2, there serms to be tunnel off to te side where the bats appear to live.
Wow! If walls and forests could talk!
Hamburger meat in the USA is best ground fresh from chuck roast. I’m not sure what part of the cow the French use. It’s also better to grind your own, because commercial meat processors use multiple cows and you really don’t know what is in the mix, and when the equipment was cleaned or if it was cleaned properly. So, you have a risk if you don’t cook it to death of food poisoning.
Maybe that vaulted area was an ice storage chamber? And that could be reached from within the building. The floor could have been left as dirt to allow melt water to drain? It is also built so like the second well with it's carefully tooled cut stone. They may have been built at the same time? That cut stone was more expensive than the rubble work you see more often. How much time or expense would have been spent building a bomb shelter? As far as I know people really didn't worry about or prepare for mass bombing until after W#WII and the invention of nuclear weapons What was in that opening high up on the end wall? Did you ever find out? I was a kid in the 50s and remember how some people really would put up some kind of basement bunker during sporadic waves of paranoia with each new test announced by Russia or China.
Looks like it could be an old badger set, maybe?