UNICEF just plainly lies. They compare food trucks going in now to all trucks in past (which included industrial supplies, etc.)

@am1156

23 күн бұрын

Before, the Palestinians produced their own food. That is impossible now. They need more trucks coming in than before the onslaught began. Genius.

@mathquir190

18 күн бұрын

IDF control everything that go in and out. (included any possible other supply...)

@DJtraderAU

17 күн бұрын

@@am1156 They still have crops and food is great supply, however its stolen by Hamas and then sold on the black market for high prices.

The problem with the numbers of Palestinians, is supposedly 30K DOES include Hamas fighters.

@LA-kc7ev

Ай бұрын

About half of the casualties are Hamas fighters.

@stevecarr6175

Ай бұрын

@@LA-kc7ev True. And some of the other half include those who have died of old age, natural causes, infections, accidents, still births etc etc.

@annehersey9895

Ай бұрын

@@LA-kc7ev But when the media gives those numbers, they rarely say that! So we have all these Muslim countries making it sound like it’s 30K Civilians and then they add ‘mostly women and children’ and no one corrects them! And how come no one has ever admonished Egypt or Jordan for not allowing the UN to set up a nice big tent city with kitchens and hospitals n room right there in the Sinai? It’s the perfect place and they won’t go into Egypt proper. That’s the problem because even Arabs don’t want the Palestinians .

@simongross3122

Ай бұрын

How can you believe any number that hamas tells you?

@roboldx9171

28 күн бұрын

Really? Prove it.

Thanks for bringing an expert as informed as John Spencer on to share some of his insights with your listeners -- I hope they read his Newsweek articles which go into more depth. Please bring on Haviv Rettig Gur and Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib as future guests -- they are each incredibly well informed and could provide thought-provoking perspectives to your wider discussion. Regarding the conflicting reports of aid being both blocked and not blocked, "both can't be true at the same time" -- they actually can be depending on the areas we are focusing on. In fact, Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib elaborates on this subject in his interview with Yasmine Mohammed, "Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib: Growing up in Gaza" viewable on KZread.

You have not done your homework. Check out the ratio of civilian casualties, where the war is urban, compared with other conflicts and you will see they are not excessive.

@harrynewhof3165

29 күн бұрын

Forget about that. Relative Risk of civilians to Hamas is even more telling. Even according to the Hamas figures 20% of Hamas is gone and 1% of civilians. Just to put that into perspective, if there was 2 million Hamas members there would be 400,000 dead Hamas

@cohen860

11 сағат бұрын

I believe that's what he said. And, in other interviews he has been clear that fighter/civilian ratio is at least on average, if not better than other conflicts.

Finally someone that talks sense...

Thank you. And, thank you to John Spencer.

shocking to hear someone speaking truth and common sense on this issue. good job to the interviewer too for pushing back and asking hard questions but not being needlessly cynical or antagonistic

Thank goodness for an erudite and experienced expert like Major John Spencer.

Good they have such a knowledgeable person as John Spencer. Although the interviewer based some dumb points (you can't bomb an idea), he did allow John to speak and educate those who wish to be educated.

Peace will come when the Israeli government fears their own people more than they fear western criticism. And when the Israelis love their children more than they love appeasing the west.

"That's not the way war works," he says. Oh yeah? Who's war? The Nazis said the same, and then after they lost, their pragmatism fell upon deaf ears at Nuremberg, because the price was judged NOT BY THEM any longer but by those who incurred the losses as having been TOO HIGH. "There are requirements to making a judgment," J. Spencer says, "and to use only the force necessary to achieve the military goal. And what the value of that goal is - both in the war and in the actual strike or operation- compared to the collateral damage, have you done everything possible to reduce the collateral damage?" Well, what if the military goal is not to neutralize a military foe but to wipe out its people to keep that foe ever from rising again? What if it is to ensure a subordinated people either die or immigrate out of that government's jurisdiction, to keep the minority in power from ever having to act democratically? What if the military goal is to ensure lands formerly obtained by force remain in permanence and unquestioned by use of deadly force? At what price will those requirements mandate judgment to be made over how much force to use as necessary to achieve those military goals because they're so valuable, Mr. Spencer? The collateral damage could be enormous - the size of genocide - much as Germany once reasoned, and also Turkey with the Armenians, and other such regimes with their targets to wipe out, and yet acceptable in the eyes of their military strategists who calculate them. It's all pragmatism and sounds so reasonable...until you lose. Then "might makes right" no longer seems so sensible, huh? Remember: You are the defendant in the International Court of Justice. The case is pending. And so is the noose for war criminals.

Lets not forget hamas used its people as human shields where most casualties were lost.

@diegoduran939

21 күн бұрын

7th of octuber victims were also human shields

@Michaeleddlestien

21 күн бұрын

@diegoduran939 6th October,

Some contra-arguments: see article on 972MAG: ‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza “At first we attacked almost without considering collateral damage” “In practice, the priciple of proportionality did not exist” “It was very surprising for me that we were asked to bomb a house of a ground soldier, whose importance in the fighting was so low”

32k killed, 75k wounded out of a population 2 million. 5% of population killed or injured, that would be equivalent of 16 million people killed or injured if that % is applied to USA.

@shortkeys73

Ай бұрын

32k killed is what Hamas claims, and that includes: Hamas deaths, deaths of natural cause, and deaths caused by Hamas/PIJ misfired rockets. 32k is simply "the total number of people dead in Gaza, regardless of military status or cause of death"

@g1y3

Ай бұрын

@@shortkeys73 unsurprisingly in the cause of dead you didn't include due to 20k bombs being dropped, denial of medical supplies by Israeli,(coz they argue things like anesthesia can be used for weapons). The population of gaza is young so natural deaths number can't be responsible for 32k deaths, hamas hasn't fired many rocket since since Israel invasion, even in previous conflict the death from hamas wasn't so high that it can contribute to 32k deaths, by Isreali estimates of hamas dead is just the no of males that they killed. Despite the overwhelming evidence that it's Isreali Amry that's responsible for deaths , even the drone footage came out of IDF bombing a bunch of people walking, as well as other crimes committed on daily basis.

@olddirtyb4st3rd

Ай бұрын

"32k killed, [...]" And? Point is? Apart from this being undeniably tragic... You obviously either didn't listen to what the interviewee said or you are maybe slow on the uptake.

@populicorp

Ай бұрын

Now do the same maths for other conflicts - specifically Yemen and Syria. Where was everyone when so many were being killed? Why were they silent?

@marina12345678911000

23 күн бұрын

@@populicorp + Sudan.

Statistically, 90% of casualties in modern warfare are civilians. 12,000 Hamas combatants were killed in Gaza as of 19 February 2024. As of 5 March 2024, 30,228 Palestinians had been killed. So, 40% of the casualties have been civilians in Gaza. Further, the percentage of civilian casualties is falling over time. The IDF cut civilian casualties by half, and then by 3 quarters. The initial operation required taking out missile sites, which caused higher civilian casualties, and more IDF soldiers were needed at the start.

@davesax11

29 күн бұрын

Remember, even the 30k Hamas figure is suspect.

@ingernodeland6156

28 күн бұрын

very, but this is not about facts or even about human suffering, it is about the woke agenda of being "on the right side of history" (as in the commentaries posted, not the stream itself). It is all about supporting "the right people", even if you end up supporting a terrorist regime. Calling for a ceasefire now is clearly a support for hamas.@@davesax11

@diegoduran939

21 күн бұрын

Yeah sure 😂

@user-hc8ki1rl4t

21 күн бұрын

@@diegoduran939 This is what military experts are saying. The Gaza War can be compared to the Battle of Manila in 1945. But since you are typical digimodern trash, you are just catching up with the present for online approval. Disgusting.

I pay as a subscriber to the Times for years for the reason it’s supported to present an intelligent middle of the road perspective with smart thoughtful questions . The editorial here is the equivalent of the dumb idiots at the guardian, Al Jazeera. The presenter is encouraged to ask questions to educate the listeners. Frankly the listeners are much smarter and informed than the editor/presenter gives them credit for. “Can you homb Hamas out of existence?”. What an old useless question.

@ingernodeland6156

28 күн бұрын

it is better to ask the question, as Israel has stated as a goal to "finish off hamas". But everyone knows they wont do that. They may break hamas, like ISIS in 2019 was broken, but they wont finish hamas. Hamas it also big in the WB. Israel real goal is break hamas´ back in Gaza.

@ahavahyisrael

27 күн бұрын

The Hamas 'idea' is repugnant...Islamic global caliphate? No thanks.

Good interview

Well done for interviewing someone who actually knows what they’re talking about!

Letting Hamas survive now would be like letting Nazis survive in Germany AFTER you knew what was happening in the concentration camps.

@marina12345678911000

23 күн бұрын

Well, everything depends on the context, as we know by now: in 1945, Biden did not need Muslim votes to win the election. He does need them in 2024.

First time I heard the truth about numbers. Honest man who is super intelligent.Canada

LOL the unicef guy must be telling the truth

The war is winnable, but the ideology is not. Looking at this in very basic terms of numbers won't solve the problem.

@meirm471

Ай бұрын

Well... Look around you... Did your father tell you he wants to go to a religious war to liberate Christian territories? Your grandfather? I guess not... But some generations ago I assume that ideology was popular, something changed, right? That something could change for Islamists as well...

@tonyrobin3124

27 күн бұрын

Try listening to the interview again and perhaps you can move beyond simplistic cliches

Oh my God! You are telling me that people die in wars? I had no idea. That God we have a real life military expert to set us straight.

Low compared to what?

@talmudovsky

27 күн бұрын

To what UN considered as routine ratio (civilians to combatants) since early 1990th. Per Security Council report as of 05-24-2022, this ratio is 9:1.

@stephenwhitehouse9908

26 күн бұрын

@@talmudovsky Do you know what evidence they used to support that conclusion? It doesn't sound right to me. Even if it did it's a strange logical conclusion. Assuming that there are 30,000 hamas militants, does that mean that the 'acceptable' or 'routine' number of civilian deaths should be around 270,000?

@talmudovsky

26 күн бұрын

​@@stephenwhitehouse9908 Please search Google for UNSC report pertaining 90% civilian casualties using following criteria: "united nation security council report 05-25-2022 SC/14904". Actual date of report is not 05-24-2022 as I indicated earlier. Sorry for the error. I can not provide actual webpage address as KZread blocks my posts with it or even with related references on Web (which is, needless to say, quite notable). I'll gladly pass it to you by other means of communication should you choose so. The report refers to the other report made by Secretary General on 05-10-2022 pertaining protection of civilians in the zones of armed conflicts. Here is a quote from page 3 #12 of this document: "The conduct of hostilities in urban and other populated areas increased the risks of death and injury for civilians, particularly when fighting involved the use of explosive weapons. In 2021, 1,234 incidents involving the use of explosive weapons were recorded in populated areas in 21 States affected by conflict, resulting in 10,184 victims. Of these, 89 per cent were civilians..." This is coming from the highest level of international authority as it gets. I hope that will give some real life view on the situation and enormous efforts made by Israel to preserve human life.

@talmudovsky

26 күн бұрын

​ @stephenwhitehouse9908 Please search Google for UNSC report pertaining 90% civilian casualties using following criteria: "united nation security council report 05-25-2022 SC/14904". Actual date of report is not 05-24-2022 as I indicated earlier. Sorry for the error. I can not provide actual webpage address as KZread blocks my posts with it or even with related references on Web (which is, needless to say, quite notable). I'll gladly pass it to you by other means of communication should you choose so. The report refers to the other report made by Secretary General on 05-10-2022 pertaining protection of civilians in the zones of armed conflicts. Here is a quote from page 3 #12 of this document: "The conduct of hostilities in urban and other populated areas increased the risks of death and injury for civilians, particularly when fighting involved the use of explosive weapons. In 2021, 1,234 incidents involving the use of explosive weapons were recorded in populated areas in 21 States affected by conflict, resulting in 10,184 victims. Of these, 89 per cent were civilians..." This is coming from the highest level of international authority as it gets. I hope that will give some real life view on the situation and enormous efforts made by Israel to preserve human life.

@talmudovsky

26 күн бұрын

@@stephenwhitehouse9908 ​ Please search Google for UNSC report pertaining 90% civilian casualties using following criteria: "united nation security council report 05-25-2022 SC/14904". Actual date of report is not 05-24-2022 as I indicated earlier. Sorry for the error. I can not provide actual webpage address as KZread blocks my posts with it or even with related references on Web (which is, needless to say, quite notable). I'll gladly pass it to you by other means of communication should you choose so.

Why isn't egypt invading gaza? They also don't want hamas just like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt

The presentor is parroting Hamas lies as typical for UK broadcasters

This deserves more views than it has

I agree with many of the points made here. What did Palestine expect if not another invasion? I applaud Israel tactics of lessening civilian casualties, as discussed by the guest, thus thwarting Hamas' dark plan of using civilians as expendable propandanda devices. Quite the opposite of a genocide, as the guest pointed out, civilians casualtues are remarkably low. Gaza's population has skyrocketed in the past few decades, why do you think that is? Could it not be to force pressure by creating both a humanitarian crisis and more recruits to their cause?

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

They will do that irrespective of pressure because of fanatic ideology. Many groups like them exist without any pressure.

@joostheijkoop4408

Ай бұрын

You equate Palestine to Hamas. Palestinians didn't expect anything.

@catchasmurf762

Ай бұрын

@@joostheijkoop4408 you equate palestinians to nothing, hamas enjoys 70%+ suppirt amongst Palestinian civilians - are they a state or not or simply used to obfuscate the individuals of the ruling authority?

@saratornquist4816

21 күн бұрын

There are other experter discussing this way of alerting civilians, comparing it to other wars. Problem is, you can alert all you want, but If there is nowhere to go, If you bomb the refugee camps, its just for show. Also, the numbers of killed Hamas soldiers does not add up according to numbers killed, If you compare how many men, children and women have been killed. I so against terrorism and what was done on the 7th. But what is going on now is horrific as well

He's badly failed the question of Humanitarian Aid. Once again collateral damage

@fairlinda1

Ай бұрын

You seem completely unaware of what war looks like. Hamas started it and you can't then cry about civilians they use as shields.

@BlackHeartRC

Ай бұрын

@@fairlinda1230 Palestinians were killed in 2023 before Oct. 7th. You have no idea what you’re talking about

@isscaibnzehra8717

Ай бұрын

Poojeet showed up. When Brithish speak your opinion doesn’t matter their your masters

@tonyrobin3124

27 күн бұрын

@@isscaibnzehra8717You might want to try learning to spell - it could help you make worthwhile comments.

@joecurran2811

17 күн бұрын

​@@BlackHeartRCWere they Hamas members?

It’s not a matter of opinion how much food has gone into Gaza, it is all documented. Ever single truck goes through a check point, it’s weighed and then it drives into Gaza. They know exactly how much goes in every day and it is over double from before the war!!! So that goes to show that the Unicef guy is lying!!! And using subjective observation like “ I am seeing paper thin children” is not a factual way of documenting anything.

Hamas was formed by three kids that survived Israeli punishment shootings during the Suez Crisis. You won't eradicate the desire for revenge for the loss of children / family "the day after". Memories smoulder.

@taylorbooker8463

Ай бұрын

Israel was formed by Holocaust survivors and has fine diplomatic relations with Germany. Memories smoulder and lead to horrific violence against innocents only in very evil, bad cultures, i.e. Palestinian culture.

@georgefuller2654

25 күн бұрын

and German culture... or British culture as we are the children of 1290. @@taylorbooker8463

FYI more food trucks are going into Gaza during the war than before the war. And before the war, many trucks carried construction materials.

@Save.Palestinee

27 күн бұрын

Did your Jewish brain made up that fact?

@TheConquest88

24 күн бұрын

Can you provide links or evidence to this please?

Warmonger: there is no humanitarian issue. Also warmonger: the quickest way for the humanitarian issue to get solved is more war.

@Markiboy3

28 күн бұрын

The warmongers are the Gazans who still hold Israeli hostages. If they want the war to stop, hand the hostages back and stop firing rockets into Israel. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

Finally a sensible and rationale guest, Well done to the Times. This ends when the operations is complete.

Lie lie lie

kzread.info/dash/bejne/hoF7patukdfTYKQ.htmlfeature=shared

Listen to the experts like this guy and ignore the Muslim crowds

❤ exactly 💯 % True 👍 👏

Can we get more of this, especially though not exclusively John Spencer, and less of the liberal handwringing about the deaths of people who we objectively know did support (and in many cases participated in) what happened on October 7th?

I've just check this dude's social media, all he does is advocate for Israel and share posts of actual propagandists. His objectivity is lacking.

32K is only the people who have been buried how many more are still under the rubble and like the 2 young men bulldozed into the sand in last weeks video how many killed with no trace this is the least empathetic cold hearted unfeeling person I have ever heard who is he? are the 1100 Isreelers also "so what, war casualty " does he think Palestinians have no right to exist?????

This is nearly the first rational analysis of the conflict I’ve heard on this channel.

@claudinefiona9698

Ай бұрын

Yes, if you are a psychopath

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

​​@@claudinefiona9698If Hamasatan fan Oct 7.

@acchaladka

Ай бұрын

You mean the part where he says every civilian death is a travesty at 3:40? Or you mean the part where he talks about the requirements of the law of armed conflict, about a minute later?​@claudinefiona9698

@Ur_killin_me_smalls

Ай бұрын

​@acchaladka he bluffed at distinction & proportionality.

@claudinefiona9698

Ай бұрын

@@acchaladka Lol, I mean pretty much everything else, sad that this isn't obvious to you.

He's just an Israeli spokesperson

@populicorp

Ай бұрын

What's wrong with speaking up for Israel?

@nategalvan3907

29 күн бұрын

​@@populicorp they are committing a genocide

@nategalvan3907

29 күн бұрын

​@@populicorpagainst people they have stolen the country from

@populicorp

29 күн бұрын

@@nategalvan3907 No one has made any such legal ruling.

@ingernodeland6156

28 күн бұрын

he just explained to you that it is not, what more do you want?@@nategalvan3907

Reporting for promoting terrorism.

Someone who says that 30,000 civilians, after 5 months of fighting, is too much, definitely does not want a more violent world. This putrid propaganda piece is nothing other than a cheap apology on behalf of Israel. Notice that this professional dissembler uses the word 'people' rather than civilians, and declares that it's an existential threat to Israel' as though that is a fact.

What context are you using and what first hand knowledge do you have, John Spencer, that "casualities are abnormally low"? I find your contentions stomach churning. If 30,000 Palestinians is not many, then how do quantify 1200 Israelis?

@clintbadlam4157

Ай бұрын

It's war! Don't recall people on the streets for Alleppo, Mariupol, Darfur, Yemen????? Where were you all??? 🤷🏼‍♂️ 'Fashionista Palestinia'

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

Israelis without provocation. Consequences cannot be compared.

@shyntrax

Ай бұрын

Whiteness

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

@@shyntrax woke stupidiocy

@karmaascendant3936

Ай бұрын

@@shyntraxbecause what countries do when they don’t care is what Russia( who coincidentally refuse to join the ICJ) did to Bakhmut and the rest of Ukraine. I’m not saying that Israel is a goody two shoes here but I feel that Western society has forgotten what people did when they REALLY wanted to wipe out the other side.

Christ is King.

oh god he's lying

Only one side can do this and that blah blah

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

Hamasatan Oct 7 is very believable

Who does he think he’s fooling? Not the rest of the world!

@adamredwine774

Ай бұрын

This is damn near the only sane analysis you’ll hear on the conflict.

@SerginhoPMoura

Ай бұрын

By "the rest of the world" you mean who exactly?

@tomerico1976

Ай бұрын

Al Jazeera is not the rest of the world

@isscaibnzehra8717

Ай бұрын

It is

@tomerico1976

Ай бұрын

@@isscaibnzehra8717 Al Jazeera is not the rest of the world, it's the end of the world

😂 Propaganda

🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱

another clown on this network. The occupier can’t complain about the resistance

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

Arabs shouldn't complain. Israeli resistance pays back.

@claudinefiona9698

Ай бұрын

@@Rtg5637 It's Israel that calls Hamas terrorists and then the IDF murders civilians in the tens of thousands plus intentionally starves them.The Israelis make Hamas look like humane freedom fighters.

@populicorp

Ай бұрын

Shouldn't you go back to begging for the help of western women and liberal men?

How do you allow someone to spew such nonsense. Publicly justifying what Israel is doing should be a criminal offence

@stevecarr6175

Ай бұрын

Lets hear your version then.

@calee7311

Ай бұрын

Nonsence?? Finally, someone who actually understands how war works tells it like it actually is. Sorry that it disappoints you, maybe you should be more respective to the real narrative rather than the Pallywood nonsense that the western media spews.

@ingernodeland6156

28 күн бұрын

you saying so doesnt make it so. But that is maybe how your world works in those pro-hamas marches, with those chants you all are so fond of, staying in the woke echo-chamber, just taking in the "news" fabricated by hamas,

Spencer is clearly a paid Hasbara employee 😆

@tomerico1976

Ай бұрын

Please cry harder

@ranicohen4308

27 күн бұрын

you just don't like to hear the facts. Keep hiding under the tunnel.🤭

The language used here and throughout this conflict is ... conveniently faulty/ambiguous/misleading. 1) A number threshold for acceptable death is correctly argued to be pointless, but a rate of death (never mentioned) is much more useful and tangible if you want to attach policy to it. 2) "War isn't like that" ...erm War is not a monolothic single thing. War is what you want it to be. If Hamas was holed up in Tel Aviv would the IDF use the same tactics. Would they carpet bomb or go in slow? Both destroy Hamas .One destroys fewer innocents. 3) Human shields are shields because their very presence deters attack. A human that does not deter attack due to their presence is not a shield... is there a better word? 4) The guest used the word paradox (re: food flowing into Gaza yet starvation). When untrue/deliberately misdirectional rhetoric is treated as fact then miraculously reality will tend to present us with paradoxes that conflict with our narratives, and to paraphrase Einstein, reality always wins against narratives.

@ingernodeland6156

28 күн бұрын

you are either making this way more complicated than it is, or deliberatedly being dishonest. This is plain language, on an actual situation, by an expert on the matter.

he is so evil

@calee7311

Ай бұрын

Shame on you, happy to ignore the truth when someone who actually knows something tells it like it is. You just hate. Pathetic.

John Spencer. The face of the liar.

@AY-uf4oz

Ай бұрын

The comment of an idiot.

@user-cp1jg5ut3t

Ай бұрын

Absolutely not! I agree with him. Civilian losses are way lower than Hamas report. IDF has done an incredible job keeping civilians safe in the most complex warzone ever. Anywhere else on this planet, the civilians would have been allowed to move out of the area, but the world refuse when its Gaza. Hamas uses the local population as human shields and proudly boast about it.

@Metalslimeusa

Ай бұрын

@@user-cp1jg5ut3tpure retardation

@ingernodeland6156

28 күн бұрын

which lie?

@roboldx9171

28 күн бұрын

@@ingernodeland6156 Take your pick.

Ok, so if it is abnormaly low does it mean that is has to be increased? 😊

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

Yes. This is how conflicts are resolved in the Middle East.

He keeps using the term essential threat and it’s annoying

@Rtg5637

Ай бұрын

Oct 7 is not

@populicorp

Ай бұрын

Why? It's precise. HAMAS said they would repeat Oct 7 again and again. That's exactly the correct term to use.

this is all nonsense its eliminationst talk

This man is a propagandist. Plain and simple.

It’s not a matter of opinion how much food has gone into Gaza, it is all documented. Ever single truck goes through a check point, it’s weighed and then it drives into Gaza. They know exactly how much goes in every day and it is over double from before the war!!! So that goes to show that the Unicef guy is lying!!! And using subjective observation like “ I am seeing paper thin children” is not a factual way of documenting anything.