For more commentary on this issue, read the beginning of Elan Journo's book here, for free: bit.ly/3QABEO2

@tonykennedy1615

6 ай бұрын

Rachel Corrie.

@Bearded.Stranger

6 ай бұрын

The discussion while including historical facts, did omit significant details that would alter the conclusions arrived at in your discussion. I'd read Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish scholar, books or listen to his talks to get an objective and more complete truth. Peace.

@andrewlisciandrello6920

6 ай бұрын

Based on the ignorance that he displayed in this video, I'll pass

@andrewlisciandrello6920

6 ай бұрын

@@Jay-eo3wl defeated by whom?

@andrewlisciandrello6920

6 ай бұрын

@@Bearded.Stranger Finklestein is required reading for anyone discussing this topic. The fact they didn't mention Zionism, or the Nakba, is a great indication that they're leaving out large chunks of the story.

One point that didn't come up in this video is that when Israel made peace with Egypt, the Egyptians insisted on getting beck every last square inch of the Sinai peninsula, yet they were quite adamant not to take the Gaza strip back to their control.

@leonardosouza1995

6 ай бұрын

ZIONISTS TERRORISTS 🇮🇱 supporters?

@leonardosouza1995

6 ай бұрын

Epstein importance to Israel election? Explain it? Terrorist supoorter

@maxmeister5064

6 ай бұрын

Which means, as they've made peace with Israel under these and no other conditions, that the Gaza strip is not Israeli occupied, but Israeli posession.

@maxmeister5064

6 ай бұрын

@@verar5844 This is what the Egyptians and the PLO thought, but quite frankly, that's rubbish. When you make peace with another country, and dispense with territory in the process, you won't be in a position to say, I demand for this territory to be dealt with like this and that. Either you make peace, and then no longer have any say concerning given up territory, or you don't make peace.

@cantrell0817

6 ай бұрын

Yes, the Egyptians basically hated dealing with the Palestinians in Gaza. They still feel that way.

Also, you forgot to mention that the reason Israel did not give Gaza back to Egypt was because Egypt didn't want it back, and from what I learned they actually threatened to back out of the deal if Israel did not take Gaza.

@josettejackson8445

6 ай бұрын

FACTS!!!

@maxmeister5064

6 ай бұрын

They didn't want Gaza back for VERY good reasons...they owned it long enough to know that the people were trouble...

@peterkratoska4524

6 ай бұрын

@@andrewlisciandrello6920 Also forgot to mention that after the Arab countries attacked Israel and lost in 48, they expelled some 800,000 Jews from their own countries.

@BRUSHYSURFING

6 ай бұрын

@@andrewlisciandrello6920 you delude yourself or you lie! Before 1948 'Palestinian' meant all people in Palestine , which was a larger geographical area tha Israel and included all jews , christians and arabs. the word is a colonial term given first by the roman emporer Hadrian. It is a geopolitical term and is NOT a term to define a race of people! very few of the Gazans if any were ever original inhabitants of the area as original inhabitants! they came from Crete and supplanted Egyptians and jews 1500 years ago

@BRUSHYSURFING

6 ай бұрын

@@peterkratoska4524 very good point. we hear nothing about the arab world ethnic cleansing of all jews and most christians !

Can you exlain the land acquire? let's say im canadian and i buy a house in texas, that plot of land doesnt become part of canada. In other words, was it a state buyng from a state like russia selling alaska to US, or is it private people buyng land inside a country?

@lennardchurch8483

8 күн бұрын

I'll start with a brief (2 paragraph) summary of the history of the region to set the scene: The land that's now Israel, in the oldest recorded history we have of it, was occupied by the various Canaanite tribes, who were not a homogenous people, though many of them were of Greek origin. At that time in history, how countries ere made was conquest, and that's how the ancient Kingdom of Israel was established, by conquering the Canaanite lands to establish the Kingdom of Israel. Later the Roman Empire conquered it, and most of the Jewish people were exiled. The Romans named the territory after the Philistine tribe as an insult to the Jewish people, but the Romans never really did anything with the land, and didn't create a country there. It was a similar situation when the Ottoman Empire acquired the land, and when the British Empire acquired the land. As of the end of WW2, when the Jews returned, bought land and established the modern democratic state of Israel, no other country had ever existed within that land since the ancient Kingdom of Israel, the land had always been a territory of a conquering power. The territory the British Empire controlled encompassed what is now both Israel and Jordan. After WW2, the British gave the Jews to begin returning en-masse to their ancestral homeland for the expressed purpose of them establishing a country for themselves there. The Jewish people legally purchased land as individuals to combine into the new modern state, with the permission of the British government, who were the current rulers of the region. That's why Israel's founding on land purchased by the Jews was legal and valid. If any group had tried buying up large amounts of land to create a country, and they didn't have permission from the government that ruled that land, that would not be valid. It's important to note, that no state, country, or nation of "Palestine" ever existed in all of human history. The people who call themselves "Palestinians" never even claimed the existence of such until after the modern state of Israel was established, and the false claim was used a a political weapon to challenge Israel's right to exist in the international court of public opinion, but too many people are uneducated on the history of the region to see through the lies.

@xealit

5 күн бұрын

but what if you buy a New Amsterdam and turn it into a New York, is that fine? Ok, I am more like joking here. @lennardchurch8483 described the context pretty well :D It is a little funny that we have to go back to Canaanite tribes though. But one point is unclear to me: between Ottomans and Romans, there had to be the Arabic conquest and Crusades.

@jfmallon75

5 күн бұрын

​@xealit it's a desert dude... nobody really wants to live there.

@MarkBoninsegna

4 күн бұрын

@@lennardchurch8483so basically what you are saying is that Israel is Greek? Awesome!

@lennardchurch8483

3 күн бұрын

@@MarkBoninsegna No, nothing of the sort. Some of the Canaanite tribes were Greek. The Israelites are the descendants of Isaak, and the Arabs are the descendants of Isaak's elder half-brother Ishmael.

If you want to argue this convincingly, show maps of occupation in the area. THAT would be useful.

@EdwardGatey

2 минут бұрын

By occupation do you mean people's jobs?

The problem is a lot of the people debating this issue have no knowledge of history.

@danielr82

6 ай бұрын

The problem isn't so much that people don't know, or ignore history, the problem is that people hide facts and lie by omission. - notice this video doesn't talk about any illegal settlements. - the reason that the areas around Gaza were not well defended is that much of the IDF had been moved to the West Bank, with an aim to "protect settlers"

@maevy1787

6 ай бұрын

Precisely. They rely on slogans and propaganda.

@rhetoric5173

6 ай бұрын

Rand was a j r4t

@rhetoric5173

6 ай бұрын

Yes. Especially the people interviewed here. N. Finklestein already showed the deception.

@soulbytes

6 ай бұрын

Any trusted link of the history i can read..?.. i really want to know and undertand. Thanks

Let's debunk the term "Palestinian" in the first instance. The demographics of the area that comprises modern Israel had a total population of 300,000 people in its entirety and was desolate. Most of the majority Arab population were Bedouin and Druze. At that time, everyone living in that region was called Palestinian including Christians, Muslims and Jews (who maintained a continuous presence prior to and continuing after the Roman expulsion." The term "Palestinian" didn't derive from the existence of a previous sovereign state called Palestine populated by predecessors of modern-day Palestinians because there never was a Palestinian country called Palestine. The only sovereign state that ever existed in the area was Judean. The name "Palestine" was given to this region by the Romans who wanted to eradicate its Judean character after the Bar Kochba revolution. The Jews returned to the land after thousands of years of persecution culminating in the late 19th centuries during the pogroms that took place in the Pale of Russian settlement when Jews began purchasing land in Ottoman Palestine. They began to drain the swamps and irrigate the deserts bringing life back to the land, drawing Arabs from surrounding Arab countries. Moreover, when the English took over the Palestine Mandate, pursuant to the Balfour declaration it allowed Jews to migrate to the area along with Arabs from surrounding states. However, after violence erupted in Palestine, they curtailed Jewish immigration while at the same time allowing hundreds of thousands of Arabs to migrate between the years of 1918-1948. The idea that the Jews occupied a country that had been populated by Palestinian Arabs "for generations" is a myth.

@jillthompson1248

6 ай бұрын

But the entirety of the Jewish people never completely left the land there have been Jewish people there from the beginning of written history maybe before that

@rhodaberger7262

6 ай бұрын

@@jillthompson1248 Absolutely. The question that people raise in regard to that is whether European Jews actually descend from the Jews of antiquity and the definitive answer derived from genetic study is that they do

@joycealdrich

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, right! That is the true history of Palestine. If you look at the flag for that region, pre-1947, there's a BIG Star of David in the middle; NOT a cresent Moon.

@bigboots6114

6 ай бұрын

bingo

@josephportnojgaj7096

6 ай бұрын

Finaly someone that knows the real history

What would a more accurate map #1 look like? Who has legal title to the green sections in map 1 prior to 1947? What parts of the map were unlivable? To what extent was the land tribal? Was the concept of private property universally understood? What ethnic group or nationality controlled the green sections of the map?

@DenethorDurrandir

3 күн бұрын

To my understanding, the first map doesn't show national ownership at all, all of the area, white and green, was owned (temporarily) by the Brits, the green area is quite literary "everywhere individual Jews didn't own", not discerning any Christian or other owned land, also not discerning unsettled land. Also during the era the map portrays, "palestinians" didn't exist. Just like "Americans" didn't exist during the medieval period.

@Diablo_Himself

3 күн бұрын

ALL of those maps basically just show a large area of historical Judea. No matter who lives where, The whole land is Jewish land. This is why we English "gave the land back" to the Jews. Interesting choice of words, don't you think?

@frankshailes3205

3 күн бұрын

@@Diablo_Himself Wasn't Judea a Roman province at the time of Christ? Should you give it back to Italy/Vatican?

@mattjewett4473

2 күн бұрын

I'm done looking ass-backwards to some arbitrary point in time. There are losers throughout history. What the "Palestinians" have done since 1947 is unworthy of respect.

@dag_of_the_west5416

2 күн бұрын

​@@Diablo_Himself please explain where Canaan was and who were the Canaanites.

Is there a map or other visual aid that shows the chain of custody for property titles? Where does the Israeli government get its authority to give land grants to settlers?

@lennardchurch8483

3 күн бұрын

There's the portion of land that the Jews legally purchased after WW2. And the rest of the land was acquired in defensive wars, as when the Arabs attacked Israel with the intent to exterminate the Jews, Israel was legally allowed to drive back the aggressors, seizing the land to establish defensible borders, as is established in the international laws of war. That means the land legally became the possession of Israel when they seized it, regardless of who previously owned it, and Israel has the right to use their own land however they like, including building towns on it. For when a particular portion of land became Israeli property, look up which murderous attack from Arabs on Israelis forced Israel to seize that land.

@zufalllx

3 күн бұрын

@@lennardchurch8483 So stolen then. A national form of civil asset forfeiture.

@Kinoko314

2 күн бұрын

@@lennardchurch8483 This is a giant load of garbage. The UN never had any right to gift land away in the first place. Israel is a lie built on lies.

@ZivableToAll

Күн бұрын

It doesn't, you're right. The Israeli government did do quite a lot of really stupid and selfish things that i feel should have been included here. Especially under Netanyahu's regime.

@williamwhitaker219

Күн бұрын

So what are the UN resolutions about? What claim to Arabs have against the state of Israel giving their land away to settlers? Are the pictures of Israeli bulldozers trashing old Arab ladies homes and gardens fake news? What about the UN conventions on refugees and their right of return? I thought the UN declaration of human rights did away with to the victor goes the spoils. If innocent people are displaced by military conflict and their land is confiscated by the victor’s eminent domain, where does that leave all of humanity? To what extent are insurance companies involved in settling claims?? What about Gaza? If you owned a home or business in Gaza and we’re lucky enough to flee somewhere safe, when this is over, do they have a right to go home? If not hey lose their land and we’re never a party to the fighting, at the very least shouldn’t they be paid for the land. All of Gaza is beachfront property. 100 years from now, it may be worth billions. It seems like nobody’s being honest and just like Americans screwed over our Native people and bullied them into submission, the non Jewish folks on the ground in Israel seem to be getting kicked around and anyone who questions the Israeli government on human rights abuses is an anti-Semite.

one more thing the maps don't show is the Arab population inside the state of Israel - today there are around 2 million of them, all Israeli citizens.

@katrinbarbey164

6 ай бұрын

That's true, but ask any Palestinian and they will tell you those people are not true Arabs.

@mrwizard2089

6 ай бұрын

Bullsh*t!

@bumspanka0927

6 ай бұрын

They are Palestinian citizens of Israel, they are not simply Arab, they are Palestinian, no more and no less than any Palestinian who left present day Israel in 1948

@alyskabb

6 ай бұрын

​​@@jasonfobes5980Of course! they have members of parliament , representation in the Supreme Court, exactly the same property, education ,work and so on.. rights as the Jewish, Christian,Druze etc population.

@wengelder9256

6 ай бұрын

@@alyskabbfurthermore they get the benefit of not having to serve in the army .

Don't forget also that by 1979 Egyptian president Anwar Sadat was in favor of the UN 2-state solutions and for normalization with Israel and then fundamentalists in his own military murdered him for it.

@markanderson3870

6 ай бұрын

Rabin was also in favour of a two-state solution and also murdered by a fundamentalist on "his" side.

@malcolm3187

6 ай бұрын

@@markanderson3870 There is a theme there and a lot of people ignore it.

@SmallSpoonBrigade

6 ай бұрын

A one state solution could have worked in the past, but with all the terrorism and crimes against humanity, I wouldn't expect that to happen anytime soon.

@Jbainbridge5

6 ай бұрын

And then the Jordanians met with the palestinians and the palestinians murdered the king of Jordan, and that's why Jordan/Egypt won't take refugees.

@chitosesenri7087

6 ай бұрын

Don't forget the Jews have 0 claim to the lands people already inhabiting for over 1000 years. Those entities, especially the UN, you listed have no right to dictate anything either. What's your point again?

First you need to find out WHO can be stolen from, and what is the definition of stealing.

Maps are incomplete. They don’t go back far enough.

@user-dq9oi3di9e

23 сағат бұрын

Israel owned it all first, and there never was a Palistinian state, who are arabs really

It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. (Samuel Langhorne Clemens)

@yesorno4147

4 ай бұрын

This so called expert lost me at no land was stolen! Really!! STOP….. 800,000 plus Palestinians who lived in Palestine and owned property fled for fear of being killed and lost all their lands and possessions. They also lost their right to return. No compensation was ever made. Till this day, the Zionists are stealing land especially in West Bank via their illegal occupation and settlements. Over this period the Jewish population of Palestine, composed principally of immigrants, increased from less than 10 per cent in 1917 to over 30 per cent in 1947. The map signifies exactly that. How Jews comprised 10% of population at end of World War One

@primarchvakarian589

4 ай бұрын

That's deep bro

@iamsiley2200

4 ай бұрын

@@primarchvakarian589 It's also directly quoted from Mark Twain (allegedly, and originally) without credit. If I were an English teacher, I'd be disappointed!

@number1neek

4 ай бұрын

Those who believe what this Journo nobody is saying without providing a single citation are the ones who have been fooled. Read history books, don't listen to VPs of think tanks

@Christmas12

4 ай бұрын

yeah like take for example ANYONE on this KZread sub taking an 'Ayn Rand Institute' seriously

Need to go back many years prior to 1947 when the area was called Judaea. The Roman Empire controlled most of the area at that time and after several conflicts between the Jews and their controlling Roman’s, the empire decided to change the name to philistean which later became Palestine.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

It's Hebrew and Jewish Land. Rome never took the Land of Israel.

@technicianbis5250

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc ?? Not what i understand, even the Bible states rome ruled over Israel, they had sibordinate kings, governors and leading figures to help run not only Israel but all it's territories.

@shawnwhitehead3062

6 ай бұрын

Never forget that the Ottomans took the Israelites and push them out of the country that was way after the Romans did their trick and guess what the Autumn Empire was mainly dealing with that country would be Iran connect to dots it's not hard

@pikapi6993

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc yes they did. they colonized it

@omarlittle-hales8237

6 ай бұрын

Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace. Gospel [Last Testament]: I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying-I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you." Quran [Last Testament]: Towards The Latter Days, The Children Of Israel Will Be Haughty [Except The Pious Versed In Torah].

Dear friends just to let you know . I first visited Jerusalem at the end of '69 . What I noticed immediately was the condition of the streets ! They were not paved , just unlevelled earth with small rocks all over the place ! Up till 1967 Muslims controlled Jerusalem for over a thousand years ! And as Mark Twain commented on his tour of the Holy Land circa 1880's " The land was desolate with large malaria infested areas where Tel-Aviv is today !

@Lindisfarnefarmer

Күн бұрын

Nice try😂

As a GIS cartographer, I know how powerful maps can be. While it's essentially impossible to be completely honest with a map, there will always be some information that is omitted and a 2D plane can never represent a 3D ellipsoid (the Earth) completely accurately. It is however, the duty of the one making the map to reduce the amount of dishonesty present in the map, to communicate extremely clearly what their map represents. However, often times there are those who see maps as a tool to push their own agenda. Sad as it is to see.

@toolegittoquit_001

2 күн бұрын

'The 9 dashed line' comes to mind 😏

@tomservo75

Күн бұрын

You can tell just by looking at the map's legend. They're comparing "settlements" for one, but "lands" for the other.

@MrRoguetech

Күн бұрын

Yes. The map actually shows several things. It shows proposed, hypothetical states, and is shows "Arab" vs "Jewish" land control. It's important to remember that Arab Muslims having been displaced or disposessed is incontrovertible, so making it about a misleading legend on some arbitrary map is disingenuous. They argue the map is a red herring, to use it as a red herring to insert their own agenda into it. They dispute one thing about a map (the legend) in order to claim everyone in Israeli held territories are happy, wonderful, prosperous, good, and just. It's really fascinating how they suggest that's all in this map, while saying the map is without any value.

@ZivableToAll

Күн бұрын

You've touched the main point here! A 3d map of misleading Hamas agenda would have been much better!

Many trust these maps without a clue about the region's history. The map makers displayed such a lack of honesty or competence that they omitted Egypt and Jordan's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and made no reference to the Jews expelled from Gaza and the West Bank, along with the estimated 850,000 Jews expelled from Arab nations-a figure comparable to the number of early Palestinians refugees. I've tried to assess the actual evidence, and it's far more difficult, with contradictory evidence and the UN having some of the only reliable demographics from the time--which are themselves inconclusive. But these maps are nowhere close to reality. They're maps for persuasion, not education.

@Byorin

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for giving me more information to digest and consider in what is a very controversial topic. I've been wary of all the various media and sources that seem to be driven by agenda, so it's definitely challenging to make objective sense of it all. Thanks again and have a nice day.

@kathleendwyer117

6 ай бұрын

Look up ‘Political Islam’ warner

@Krystal_Ballshit

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Where is the context? People are so dumb

@behavioraldesign

6 ай бұрын

@@Byorin The problem is that many books are politically divided into camps of rhetorical echo chambers that cherry-pick history and ignore points against their bias. Then, when you find the truly evidence-based content, it's far more complex and messy. But at least it helps you differentiate between pathological lier and the deluded versus those attempting to make sense in an honest way.

@glenholmgren1218

6 ай бұрын

LOL! “The Map Makers … honesty & competence…” Islam teaches its adherents that it is Good to Lie to the infidels 😮

Points you overlooked mentioning is that in addition to Israel, Egypt also imposed a blockade to Gaza after the election of Hamas and them rejecting peace. Also the conflicts Palestinians instigated in neighboring Arab countries (Black September, Lebanon Civil War, etc.)

@robg7924

6 ай бұрын

Hamas is part of the Muslim botherhood movement?

@MJHdesproj

6 ай бұрын

This is ALWAYS ignored - the “palestinians” were no different to the Jordanians or Lebanese when they were within their borders - while the young children themselves are blameless, as a “people” the “palestinians” have only ever lived to cause the suffering of others. They have never even considered becoming a legitimate state, none of their “allies” have ever attempted to help them establish one, they are on the GODDAMN MEDITERRANEAN for fucks sake - not sure how much you know about history but that’s generally considered a good opening position for a civilization, but no, they have rejected all opportunities of every kind except the opportunity to be the spearhead of Islamism against ANY Jewish state. I believe this conflict will be the dividing line of the modern world, if my fellow Americans can’t get behind the idea that we should ensure the Jews are not eradicated then as far as I’m concerned they are no longer my countrymen and I abandon them to whatever fate awaits them - God bless Israel and may he guard them and keep them safe in this dark time…

@ardendragoon

6 ай бұрын

Translation. Its a terrorist camp. Always has been. The leaders of the surrounding areas openly say that. Palestine(philistines) is a terrorist camp, theyve rejected numerous peace deals. Its the only reason for its existence.

@dardar267

6 ай бұрын

After the previous king of Jordan caved and allowed them into his country, the Palestinians began kidnapping and violence to the extent that he said “never again!” Wherever the Palestinians go, chaos and violence ensues

@FigsForYou

6 ай бұрын

So in other words, this video is complete biased bullcrap and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain.

Genuine question - Jewish people/groups that started buying land approx. in the early 1900s and beyond - the other land left was in foreign hands but who were they, and did they get compensated after 1948 when the UN agreed to the State of Israel?

@kirkoconnell

Күн бұрын

Those were the white spots on the first map that the guy discredits. No, they do not get compensated, when land gets turned over from Muslim to Jewish people in Israel, there is no compensation. The reverse simply does not happen. Usually they find old records in Turkey or the step-great-grand nephew of some guy who was listed on an 1890 document has having owned the land that was eventually conquered. They pay him a token amount of money for land he didn't even know he owned and then they claim to have bought the land instead of it being "from conquest" and they loop that into Israel proper. That is the main method of moving land from the West Bank to Israeli hands. You know, outside of the settlers just stealing it.

What did it look like pre- Balfour?

@kirkoconnell

Күн бұрын

80 percent+ Muslim 20 percent mix of Jewish and Christians-ish (and a few other religions). Some sources say it is closer to 90% but I use 80% because I have no reason to lie.

The main thing that this shows is that all of the peace loving, decent people all over the world have been stood upon by corrupt governments who don’t care about them or their welfare. It is extremely sad this world we are living in 🥺

@giselapfeifer4666

5 ай бұрын

God will change everything for the better in the kingdom he has promised us..

@George-vu7xh

5 ай бұрын

God refers to this land as “my land”

@George-vu7xh

5 ай бұрын

In the book of Ezekiel

@englishalan222

5 ай бұрын

@@George-vu7xh Part of a comic called the bible

@DavidParker-cf2km

5 ай бұрын

@@englishalan222Be sure to tell God that when you have your face-to-face meeting, when you see Him as He is.

It's sad that we need to upload and view history lessons on KZread now while the Elite Colleges are silent to their students.

@pocophone2010

6 ай бұрын

Jew-ish europeans are genetically europeans not semitic like arabs and middle eastern jews. so why did david grun (changed his name to be david ben gurion in order to sound like osama ben laden the semitic man) come from Plonks, Pland to Palestine for stealing their land and for the palestinians holocaust???

@benallen2942

6 ай бұрын

It's called suppression of the truth. It's not just sad, it's rooted in evil.

@John_II

6 ай бұрын

Well, at least you can get the education somewhere for free. :)

@scotchsunday

6 ай бұрын

Elite colleges aren't silent; they spew lies

@ivyyoung521

6 ай бұрын

It's truly sad and embarrassing.

Maybe I missed something here. Many cited Egypt did not want to take control of Gaza. Why didn't Egypt want Gaza? Why?

@barracktoboggan3033

3 күн бұрын

I think it comes down to a pivot towards a more pragmatic, modern stance that came after Egypt’s failed attempts to assert pan-Arabism. Egypt and Syria united and became the United Arab Republic. This new state attempted to project regional power but lost too much blood and treasure waging war not only against Israel, but also in Yemen which would become its version of Vietnam. The Arab Republic dissolved after years of costly defeats and it was becoming increasingly obvious, amidst growing civil instability, that more adventurism in foreign lands inhabited by different ethnic groups with their own distinct national identities and culture. Gaza was both fiercely nationalistic and politically fractured, making it an absolute pressure cooker where governance by an outside force would run a high probability of creating a new wave of continued resistance. Last and most importantly, Egypt lacked international support. The Soviet Union had distanced itself from Egypt while Jordan and Israel both moved closer to Western partnerships during escalating Cold War tensions. Egypt recognized the likelihood of continued conflict in the region and, quite reasonably, saw this as a liability that put them at odds with more powerful forces in a time when their military, government, and economy were all reeling from decades of conflict. From their point of view, responsibility over Gaza would be a very expensive, high risk, low reward proposition.

Its like agreeing to give the person who invaded your home 50% of your home after they refuse to leave. But its worse then that, because the home invader keeps taking more then its 50%.

@lennardchurch8483

57 минут бұрын

No, it's like living in your own home, and seeing that the owner of your neighbor's house is never home, so you start using his yard as if it were your own. Then your neighbor sells his house, and the new owner does use their yard, and puts up a fence around it, after which you get your family together and attack your new neighbor, vowing to wipe his family from existence, but your neighbor repels your attack and even drives you off your property, and under the laws of where you live, your neighbor can now file for ownership of your property because he acquired it in defense of his own home and family due to you attacking him.

Another deception involves map one and map three. In the first map it portrays Jewish populated areas in white, even though Jews didnt have soveriegnty. Yet in map three the Arab settled areas within Israel are not portrayed in green, even though Israel had hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and hundreds of Arab towns. Very dishonest.

@janehrahan5116

6 ай бұрын

actually millions of arabs, there are nearly 2 million arabs in isreal.

@mohawk3371

6 ай бұрын

@@janehrahan5116 When I said "hundreds of thousands" I was referring to the number of Arabs left in Israel proper in 1948 to 1967, corresponding to map 3.

@doctordan1668

6 ай бұрын

You weren’t listening. He said this wasn’t a tribal or racial discourse. That there were all tribes in all areas

@mohawk3371

3 ай бұрын

@doctordan1668 I think I was. Both he and I are talking about inconsistency in what was being portrayed between the maps that resulted in completely false implications.

@danielcriss7669

9 күн бұрын

Thank you!!

What was Palestine like before Israel? Before 1948, Palestine was home to a diverse population of Arabs, Jews, and Christians, as all groups had religious ties to the area, especially the city of Jerusalem.

@MetalArrow

6 ай бұрын

Funny thing is Jews living in Palestine before Israel, are _still_ living in the occupied territories of Palestine. They reject the Zionist state of Israel.

@johngatsby1473

6 ай бұрын

In 70ad Rome deported all the Jews and then renamed Israel to Palestine to demoralize the Jewish folks. There is no such thing as a Palestinian....they are Arabs

@Wabi-sabi8551

6 ай бұрын

What was it like? In 1244 when Jews were massacred & expelled from Jerusalem by the Khwarazmiyya Muslims was that because of Israel? When the Ottoman ruler of Jerusalem Murad Bey raped & slaughtered thousands of Jews in Jerusalem & Hevron in 1517 was that because of Israel? When whole communities of Jews were murdered & exiled to Cyprus in 1576 was that because of Israel? When Jews were murdered, raped & tortured during the Jerusalem persecutions from 1623-40 was that because of Israel? When Jews were raped & murdered en masse in 1660 during the Tzfat & Tiberias pogroms was that because of Israel? In 1720 when Ashkenazim were butchered & exiled from Jerusalem & Hurva synagogue was destroyed was that because of Israel? In 1775 when Jews were once again murdered & raped en masse during another Hevron pogrom, was that because of Israel? When Jews were again butchered & raped in 1799 during another Tzfat pogrom, was that because of Israel? In 1820 when Haim Farhi was murdered & Jews were enslaved was that because of Israel? In 1834 when Jews were again raped & butchered in Tzfat, Hevron & Jerusalem was that because of Israel? In 1851 when R' Avraham S. Z. Zoref was murdered in Jerusalem for the crime of being a Jew, was that because of Israel? In 1873 when Sara Rivlin was raped & murdered, along with her baby who was also murdered, was that because of Israel? And, the 1920 Jerusalem massacre, the 1921 Jaffa massacre, the 1929 Hevron, Tzfat & Jerusalem massacres, the 1936 massacre in Beersheba, the massacres during the 1936-39 Arab riots... was that because of Israel? I can go over the nearly 1000 historically recorded instances of Mizrahi Jews being butchered, raped & tortured throughout the rest of the Middle East & North Africa over the last 1400 years too if you like. When you claim there was "peace before 1948" implying Israel & Zionism are the problem, all you're proving is that you know less than nothing about 1400 year history of Musta'ravi & Mizrahi Jews being persecuted under one Muslim rule after another. You can regurgitate your intellectually lazy propaganda narrative & relish in your imaginary sense of moral superiority, but you cannot change empirical history corroborated by thousands of historigraphical sources. Sorry habibi, but you cannot gaslight the descendants of Musta'ravi & Mizrahi Jews in Israel with your pseudo-history.

@josephbrewster1169

6 ай бұрын

Yes, and especially in Jerusalem but not only there, the Crusades killed more Christians, Jihad killed more Muslims and Zionism killed more Jews. They were each antithesis to their own religion.

@jojosthenewblack

6 ай бұрын

@@josephbrewster1169Zionism killed more Jews? Than what, jihadis and Christians?

he Permanent Court of International Justice (‘PCIJ’) defined conquest as ‘a cause of loss of sovereignty when there is war between two States and by reason of the defeat of one of them sovereignty over territory passes from the loser to the victorious State’ (Eastern Greenland Case at 47). Conquest, strictly so-called, is therefore a derivative title of acquisition of territorial sovereignty (Territory, Acquisition) taking...

Fun how this sequence completely leaves out '67 to '82. But that wouldn't fit the narrative.

@maria1125

2 сағат бұрын

Exactly...this is trying to convince people that the jews didn't steal the land. I don't care what you call the people living there.

What is interesting about all this is that so many put forward this idea of Palestinians being some predecessor peoples. The "native" Arabs of the "Palestinian" area are actually Negev Bedouins, who are frequently persecuted by the Palestinian movement. They are only allowed citizenship in Israel - the PA refuses to recognise them as people - or in Jordan, the nationality of most "Palestinian" Arabs (keep in mind, Jordan is the easternmost area of Mandate Palestine. The region it was in was called Transjordan - meaning across the Jordan - and was the "Arab" allocation in the Balfour Declaration and WWI era agreements with the Hashemites). Now, the Jews of the Negev and the Bedouins of the Negev tended to coexist rather well (the Bedouins are traditionally desert nomads, whereas the Jews tended to live in established villages - a point that is one of the few contentions between Bedouin Israelis and Jewish Israelis today, where western civilisation doesn't really account for nomads well) - but these maps of "Palestinian" land never even recognise other Arab groups with far longer histories in the region than the "Palestinians"! Which rubbishes the argument it's Arab vs Israeli.

@rhodaberger7262

6 ай бұрын

I knew that the Arabs living in Israel were mostly Christian, Bedouin and Druze but the rest of the information is new to me.Thank you

@illzyaz

6 ай бұрын

Wow, where did you quote this new history? Again, historical revisions

@boundariessetinstone5893

6 ай бұрын

Well in the Bible the Israelites came from Aegean modern day Syria to Canaan modern day Israel. And the philistines came from Crete modern day Greece to Canaan modern day Israel. They both arrived to Canaan ie modern day Israel around same time the Bible says. The philistines were always trying to kill the Israelites God called them heathens and a thorn in Israelites side. And when they came back from exodus from Egypt the trying to kill the Israelites continued. And this time with other groups ie arab groups hating them too. The Israelites and thr philistines were the Canaanites the ppl of Canaan. And Egypt ruled Canaan 350-400 years many of the Gazans have a lot of Egyptian blood. It seems the Palestinians in Gaza are more of Egyptian descent. And the Palestinians that never left Israel are a mix of Greek and Arab.

@oremfrien

6 ай бұрын

@@rhodaberger7262 This is false. Ethnic Palestinian Muslims (if we use that term anachronistically) have been the vast bulk of region's population since at least the mid-1300s. In the British Census in 1917, Christians were roughly 70,000 people whereas the combined Muslim population was roughly 525,000 people. If we remove the Bedouins and Druze from that number, we should conservatively still have 450,000 ethnic Palestinian Muslims.

@janehrahan5116

6 ай бұрын

@@oremfrien So you're saying the muslims are settler colonials and should be removed. no? then the jews aren't either. Simple as.

8:50 so did they purchase it or it "was promised/given" to them....

@lennardchurch8483

4 күн бұрын

The Jews legally purchased all the land they were able to and established the modern state of Israel on it. They were able to do this because the British Empire lifted restrictions on Jewish immigration into the British Mandate, and gave them permission to declare independence from the British Empire. The Arabs also had permission to establish their own state in the land alongside Israel, but the Arabs never accepted that offer, because they didn't actually want a state there, they just didn't want the Jews to have one.

@kirkoconnell

23 сағат бұрын

@@lennardchurch8483 Hard disagree. I love how THIS VIDEO talks about "anyone who removes context is lying to you" yet you felt the need to either straight repeat a contextless narrative or decided to remove context yourself. I could tear you a new one over the facts you got wrong here but I want to educate so for anyone reading this I have this thought for you: The 1948 plan, which the Arabs had zero input into, was simply very bad. How bad? Well, they gave 55% of the land to the Jewish populations. At the time, the Jewish population was 1/3 of the land. So 33% of the population, yet they were given MOST of the land and MOST of the farm land at that. TODAY, RIGHT NOW, the reverse is true. Palestinians make up about 1/3 of the population. So IF THAT DEAL WAS SO GOOD, I offer to you that then ISRAEL would still take it if offered. Please, how many Israelis do you think would accept the 1948 plan TODAY? If the answer isn't "every single one of them" then you know why the Palestinians didn't take the deal. It was bad for them. The fact that the numbers work out like that now AND PEOPLE ARE STILL CLAIMING THIS BULLSHIT is mind-blowing to me. Until Israel accepts and starts ACTUALLY DOING the 2 state solution they agreed to in 1948 (which again, the Arabs had ZERO say in) you cannot use this argument against the Palestinians. They didn't accept a really bad deal they had no part in. Who would? Not Israel, THAT much is for sure.

@lennardchurch8483

20 сағат бұрын

@@kirkoconnell Read the other response I made to you. Your premise is completely fallacious, and you clearly aren't arguing in good faith, as you've made up your mind based on lies that you choose to cling to in place of the facts that contradict your narrative. You like the rest of the Islamist sympathizers keep presenting the same fallacious arguments, no matter how many times you're corrected. The number of people living in a land has no bearing on who owns it. Your nonsense arguments about how many Jews vs how many Arabs live in the land is like looking at two houses, and claiming that because one is occupied by a single woman, and the other by a family with 12 children, that the family with 12 children should have possession of most of the single woman's house, because there's more of them. That's simply not so. The Jews legally purchased the land they lived on from the previous landowners, and the British Empire that ruled the region at the time gave them permission to take patches of desert that had no other owner besides the British Empire. That doesn't wrong the Arabs in any way. Also, much of Israel's "farm land" was just desert until the Jews introduced irrigation and fertilization to make the land prosperous. It's not their fault the Arabs didn't do the same. The reason no 2-state solution is possible, is because on one side, you have the civilized democratic country of Israel, and on the other side you have radicalized Islamist death-cults that indoctrinate each following generation to throw their lives away in the pursuit of destroying Israel. Of course, the so-called-"Palestinians" don't have to be that way. 20% of all Israeli citizens are Arabs who live peacefully and prosperously among their Jewish neighbors. The Arabs of Gaza and the West Bank can't share in that same freedom and prosperity until they stop supporting terrorists.

Let's change the objectives. Instead of claiming land for yourself, let's aim to find peace and prosperity for every person living in that area and beyond. Let's also abandon the concept of revenge. The latter is the root cause of many conflicts. Let's move beyond that to a brighter future.

@christophercoupe5006

6 күн бұрын

A noble case but good luck getting palestinians to live peacefully anywhere!!!

@rogercotton5134

5 күн бұрын

The Hamas charter calls for the genocide of Israelis. The Palestinians teach their children to view Jews as "apes, dogs, nd pigs'. They also support Hamas. They have also turned down previous offers of peace and a Two-state Solution. So, there is zero chance of moving beyond their hate and violence.

@kellbell8198

5 күн бұрын

AMEN 🙏🕊️🙏

@kellbell8198

5 күн бұрын

​@christophercoupe5006 it was peaceful before just like Iran was until our government and others started putting in power a dictatorship for embezzlement of money, minerals and a military industrial crooked complex 😡😤😡

@kellbell8198

5 күн бұрын

​@@christophercoupe5006 that way they could blame it on Holy wars 🤔😡🤦

What I’m very surprised to see left out of this discussion regarding the importance of context is the fact that it leaves out the 4/5 of British Mandate Palestine that included ALL of Jordan and a small part of Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. And that doesn’t include the French Mandate.

@adbogo

4 ай бұрын

Because the mandate had no real legal standing. It was a hoax.

@phillipweyers8915

3 ай бұрын

Apparently many Arabs from Trans Jordania moved west after 1922 ? Arabs no Palestinians then

@adbogo

3 ай бұрын

@@phillipweyers8915 You mean refugee Palestinians.

@theoutlaw5806

3 ай бұрын

Apparently under what was deemed as a legal document, the Arabs demanded all the land be divided to the Arabs themselves with no Jewish state or land. The British Empire verbally agreed to these terms & conditions with the ambassador for the Palestinian people. It never came to fruition because back in Briton (spelt at the time) denied this clause. Ultimately this led to the Zionists & the Rothchilds demands to give land to the Jewish people who were expelled from the middle east & Europe during WW1 & WW2. It was under the British Empire, through Arab nepotism, land was given to the Arab leaders uncle and son which was as you rightly say, Egypt and Syria.

@judistanton2355

3 ай бұрын

yes they came for the well paying jobs of the British@@phillipweyers8915

I'm old enough to remember that prior to 1964 the Arabs called themselves Arabs, not Palestinian. The refugees were Arab refugees, not Palestinian refugees. So, there was no such thing as Arab Palestinians in 1948.

@wittyful7254

6 ай бұрын

YOU ARE FULL OF DELUSION MISS MAAM.

@ef2718

6 ай бұрын

run ngram[Arabs, Jews, Palestinians] it will give you a time plot.

@eduardomanalili9154

6 ай бұрын

Arab only invented Palestine to justify war with Israel.

@BlondHulk

6 ай бұрын

They first started to call themselves Palestinians in 1969 when Arafat created PLO, which just shows the hypocrisy of those people who think it was a Palestinian land. It never was and never will, because that nickname (Palestine) was a mockery nickname for the Jew’s ancient enemy - the Philistines, given by Hadrian in the Roman Empire days. The main goal of the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza, or the so called “Palestinians” is to wipe out Israel off the land. It was never about creating their own state and independence.

@assallahook

6 ай бұрын

Go educate yourself and read about Nakba 1948 and 1917 Bilfore declaration

Even as an American, when we say "We bought the land" from the natives its with a tone of disbelief. "We bought the land by giving them beads for it, can you believe it?" It carries a sense we knew we were swindling people. So while land was properly purchased, you wonder about the imbalance. Semi-Feudalism in the Byzantine Empire and even pre-Feudal Japan both had instances where smaller landholders would come upon hard times and 'sell' their land to a larger owner to gain protection and tax benefits. Some of these Emperors even enacted reforms to allow this process to be reversed as it was acknowledged that, while the purchases were legal in all sense of the law there needed to be a recognized externality. If a farmer hits hard times and is forced to sell or gift his land to someone higher up just to survive, we recognize the issue was not fair. Just look at major corporations buying up single family homes in many countries. Legal purchases, but we know we're going to have to turn that issue around or society will collapse. So its is true the purchases were legal, but it isn't hard to realize you can do safe and legal practices and still get into trouble.

@relo999

3 сағат бұрын

I always find this reasoning kinda funny. Especially seeing as the whole "beads" thing is a rather recent invention (well recent as in late 19th century) to play on racist American Indian stereotypes. Seeing as no mention of beads was made in the original documents noting the sale, rather only "24 guilders worth of good" to the Dutch (roughly equivalent to 1000 USD in modern times). A not all to different price the Dutch got for Staten Island a few decades later. Which has been far better documented and was "10 boxes of shirts, 10 ells of red cloth, 30 pounds of black powder, 30 pairs of socks, 2 pieces of duffel, some awls, 10 muskets, 30 kettles, 25 adzes, 10 bars of lead, 50 axes and some knives." Still a good deal for the mainland Europe Dutch, but that's the thing for the Dutch it was not a lot. For the American Indians on the other hand it was a lot, as they still were a largely early farming and late stage hunter gatherer society who's main weaponry was still bow and arrow. That deal was significantly more valuable to the American Indians as it was akin to getting large amount of high quality future technology. The harsh reality is that people buy and sell stuff for their own self intrest with their own value judgement.

@Pangora2

3 сағат бұрын

@@relo999 the point being that private business transactions, however legal, can complicate international relations sometimes. Rime bought silk from Asia and sent a ton of gold, east, that was one of many things that weakened the empire. Slaves were bought and sold as property, and didn't that create externalities?

In comparison with current day events wasn't the preemptive strike like what Russia did in Ukraine?

You forget that the League of Nations established the Palestine Mandate to be the Jewish National Homeland. The British then gave over 75% of the land to the Arabs and called it Trans-Jordan. So there are already 2 states in Mandated Palestine. The League of Nations also established an Arab National Homeland in what is now Iraq.

@ahmedjaad4940

5 ай бұрын

When are zionists going to be more creative and come up with better talking points? Lol the old ones don’t work anymore

@margaretcaine4219

5 ай бұрын

Correct.

@sixthguardian6914

5 ай бұрын

you have a point.

@MichaelMaritato-bk4lc

5 ай бұрын

People also forget that the land was bought it was paid for they didn't just take it the League of Nations didn't just give it to anyone the land was paid for the people who lived there were paid for the land and they moved fact. The land was paid for by the rothschilds they bought the land for their posterity.

@jonahwhale9047

5 ай бұрын

You're describing was the establishment of Palestine was a distinct political entity for the first time in centuries. While it mentioning a homeland, it did not mention a State, & it included the, “while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced”. What happened to that bit? If you support the Mandate, do you support the right to return of the original inhabitants driven out during the Nakba?

People don't think and behave, they'll always behave how they feel. That's just the way it currently is.

When both people agree on the same point ,it's likely not going to be an unbias discussion. For example even with the 1947 map , they told USA gave Israel that large chunk of the land. Who are they to decide that the land should be given away? We were just told hardly anyone was living there, so why choose one side to receive it?

@pepperVenge

8 сағат бұрын

"Hardly anyone was living there," or were the Palestinians living there??

I think there were a lot of doubt to your 67 war being ‘defensive’ claims

@carlfrye1566

7 күн бұрын

When you are attacked you are the defender. At some point The Allies were overwhelmingly defeating the Axis, but were still the defenders.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

Yep you are so right, the Arabs were obviously drawn in by the Jewish victims, who wanted to be driven into the Sea!

People have been taking land from each other since the beginning of time. Whoever has the biggest gun can take or keep the land.

@Wyndham21044

6 ай бұрын

Then Israel is not practicing Jewish law They are practicing jungle law. While claiming to represent all the Jews of the world . That's effed up

@nurlindafsihotang49

6 ай бұрын

I see. If dealing with US and europe, might makes right. Got it. Dont worry, asia and asian are fast learner and we are stubborn.

@urgandma

6 ай бұрын

​@@nurlindafsihotang49literally how the world operates, not just the west.

@dmacarthur5356

6 ай бұрын

It's The Right of Conquest. It has been around since the day of clubs and spears and will continue until the last two humans inhabit the Earth, or Mars if we get there.

@behavioraldesign

6 ай бұрын

To some degree, I agree. But the modern world order, by the UN, is that nations are generally recognized and protected (in a gang-like way), as the normative order. However, what many don't realize is that the UN allows for civil wars, and whoever comes out on top, gets a seat at the UN. So primarily, it's true within nations that the most guns mean legitimacy in many parts of the world, but less true today between nations.

Two state solution was applied to India and Pakistan too and failed. "From the River to the Sea" is somewhat familiar to us in India with an archaic Islamic WAQF Board staking claim to any land in perpetuity, in the name of Allah. This board has become the third largest landowner in the country - probably more land than Pakistan in acreage! So far, they've claimed temples which are much older than Islam, entire villages where people have been living since generations, and even large parts of our cities! The current Israel/Palestine conflict has brought into focus the sharp differences in our society as well.

@stevea6816

6 ай бұрын

well there may have been violence between India and Pakistan but the 2 state solution has pretty much been successful. why do you say it failed?

@kaamdev810

6 ай бұрын

​@@stevea6816 Pakistan and muslims living in India are never sstisfied with what they've got..they always want more.. Pakistan want whole of Kashmir and always send terrorists who infiltrate Indian territory..Pakistan is most of the time on the brink of war with India.. extremists muslim organizations in India want to convert the whole country into an Islamic state and get back to medieval times with Mughal empire rule...they often create unrest in areas where they are in majority.. while they already have specific laws in their favour such as Muslim Personal Law...

@utsavpawar7015

6 ай бұрын

@@stevea6816 Muslims didn't fully migrate to Pakistan , even after getting separate country .

@udaygill3937

6 ай бұрын

​@@utsavpawar7015 Because while Pakistan was meant to be for Muslims, India was meant to be for everyone, including Muslims. 2 state solution has not been perfect (in fact its divided into 3 states now when you include Bangladesh which came from Pakistan) but it has generally been successful.

@bharatyaswaraj5641

6 ай бұрын

I wont call it a failure

It would really help if you could show us maps/ pictures to support what you are saying.

When sectioning land it creates division. In any country of multiple groups of people all the people live in all of the country! A country cannot be productive if there is division. The important thing to understand is there can only be one government to run the country. The term "all for one,one for all "comes to mind. All the people must agree to the common rule of one government to work.

Though I get the point you’re trying to make even with the first frame of the map, I’m confused at the delineation that you’re suggesting that we take in which we would only show the population densities of Palestinians and Israeli’s. To say a place is only owned by those that have ownership on the land, you would then need for the governance of the land to be equal or benign. The same would suggest that I could then move to an uninhabited part of land and lay claim to it today in northern Canada. We know this simply isn’t true because there is ownership in sorts over the land. I would need to purchase this land.

@katyouliaumedman4507

2 ай бұрын

why not say that 2 million Arab-Muslims live in Israel; 0 Jews live in Arab countries

People were living everywhere in the area shown as green on the first map. However, the density of population varied. For example, the bulk of the Negev was populated by transhumant Bedouins. The fact that they were not "civilized" (in the sense that they did not live in settled urban areas) is irrelevant. It doesn't give urbanised people the right to pretend they were not there and making use of the land, albeit at low population density.

@theview613

6 ай бұрын

Most Bedouins are loyal Israeli citizens. They serve in the army, and know that conditions are much better under Israeli rule.

@njgal0217

6 ай бұрын

This is an important point you made. Throughout this interesting, and factually correct tho one sided, discussion justifications are given for the Jews occupying land held by Arabs or "Palestinians" based on there being "no state" , areas "not conducive to human life," and there being no "good society" or "just society" or a government that functions that way a government "should" function. This all represents the same western/modern bias that all colonists took when occupying new land where others had been living for years-- not the least of which is our own Native American people. There is a clash of cultures where one culture fails or understand and respect the other. Granted, the violent organizations that have formed over the years, bent on destroying the Jews in Israel, have left the rest of the world no choice but to condemn them and support the Jewish Israeli state, but it is important to understand how it all came to be from a macro historical perspective.

@theview613

6 ай бұрын

@@njgal0217 When a lie is repeated often enough, everyone believes it to be true. When there are 2 billion Muslim mouths in the world to repeat the lies, the truth stands little chance.

@markaxworthy2508

6 ай бұрын

@@theview613 The Bedouins have never been asked whether they want to be in Israel. Furthermore, such choices are not necessarily based on material considerations. If they were, most Jews migrating to Israel since 1900 would rather have gone to the USA. For now the Bedouins have to make the best of their circumstances.

@markaxworthy2508

6 ай бұрын

@@njgal0217 The "violent organisations that have formed over the years" are a response to Israel's overwhelming material military dominance courtesy of the USA. There is no equal playing field for the Palestinians, so their militants instead resort to terrorist tactics, as did the Jews in 1948, when around 800 Palestinian Arab civilians were massacred by what we must regard as Jewish terrorism. Most of the population of Gaza are the descendants of people intimidated into fleeing their homes by these massacres. It also begs the question as to whether the Israeli pilots who have killed several times as many civilians as Hamas recently did are engaged in terrorism. If not, why not?

Why didn’t Egypt absorb gaza ?

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

They don't like the Palestinians because they can't control them.

People making points like these two, don't call out or address the hard facts of the situation. You can label it however you want, call it whatever you want to call it.... People were kicked off land they lived on and now their descendants are cornered, fenced into little areas and treated like 2nd class human beings.

@hooywamd00pe95

Күн бұрын

So when those same people did it to the Jews it was ok ya? Muslim Arabs are not native to land of Judea. They are offspring of Arab Muslim invaders and colonizers. If Israelis have the power to take back whats rightfully theirs, so be it. None of you are crying about what Muslims did and are doing to Jews, Christians and other religious minorities in Muslim countries. None of you are crying about the actual genocide in Nigeria where Muslims are massacring Nigerian Christians en masse. You're all hypocrites with a biased agenda.

The term "Palestinian/Palestine" during the Mandate era was referring to all inhabitants of the land, more so it was referring to Jews more then to Arabs. If there was an internet back in1938 and you could Google the flag of Palestine back then you would get either the Mandate flag based on the union jack or a Zionist flag which differed from the modern Israel flag by having only two stripes and the star in gold. There were entities like "Palestine railways","Palestine electric company",Palestine Potash company","Anglo-Palestine Bank" or "Palestine Post". Those have no connection to Arabs and with exception of the railways that were owned by the British government were Jewish owned corporations with continuous relation to the current major companies- Israel Railways,Israel electric company,Dead sea works,Leumi Bank and Jerusalem Post.

@illumine1911

6 ай бұрын

Well said, well written. Teach these numskulls here who have not learnt any history, or else who want to re-write it in the style of Hitler, Stalin, Communist China, and other despots

@stopato5772

6 ай бұрын

It came from the Romans, who referred those that stayed. Keep in mind the entire world embraced and supported Jews. It was the programs and Holocaust that sent them back to the land that was already occupied by Palestinian Arabs and Jews living in harmony. The Zionists want to cleanse the land of Palestinian Arabs, of Canaan descent. They are murdering their own family.

@mjazzguitar

6 ай бұрын

The Jerusalem Post was called The Palestine Post.

@maxheadroom224

6 ай бұрын

​@@mjazzguitarYour reading comprehension is poor. He is the listing former names of the companies then the current names.

@mjazzguitar

6 ай бұрын

@@maxheadroom224 I know. I was adding one more example.

"Did Israel Steal Palestinian Land?" Yes. But I doubt anyone who admires Ayn rand would have a view on anything political that is based on fact.

What is the Nakba Day? How long was the Nakba?

@lennardchurch8483

7 күн бұрын

What's important is remembering that the "Nakba" was the Islamists' failed attempt to commit genocide against the Jewish people, which resulted in Israel driving the aggressors away. The entire false narrative of some sort of wrong being done to the Arabs by Israel is a farce.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

Nakba Day is the result of the 1947 war that the Arabs lost badly. The Israeli's got a few Me 109s from Czechoslovakia. that the NAZI's had left and an American Jewish Flying Club member retrieved and a variety of Jewish pilots flew against the invading Arabs.

@Kinoko314

3 күн бұрын

The Nakba was when many Palestinians were forced to leave their homes, because you can't have a Jewish state unless you have mostly Jews. Those people and their descendants make up 70% of Gaza's population. If you want to hear from an expert on Gaza and it's history, listen to Norman Finklestein. I watched this video months ago, and now I recognize it for the propaganda it really is.

@lennardchurch8483

2 күн бұрын

@@Kinoko314 The Arabs attempted to commit genocide against the Jews, and failed. That's what they called the Nakba, and they've since tried to re-brand it as a tragedy that their militants were driven from the land after their failed attempt to murder the Jews.

@stddisclaimer8020

2 күн бұрын

@@Kinoko314 Finklestein is known as a "talking dog," providing little accurate history, but spouting much anti-Semitic *_propaganda_* in its most slick and insidious form. Nakba? Many more Jewish residents of Arab countries were driven out (displaced) as a result of the 1948 war, yet that seldom gets mentioned.

You cannot grant the status of a state to people that won't live in peace with their neighbors, more then that, whose declared objective of its leaders is the eradication of its neighbor, instead of focusing on building their own state in a peaceful way.

@spearview

6 ай бұрын

Ha ha ha. Do you think Israel was built in a peaceful way? They fought the Brits away who helped them to come to that place in the first place.

@Alex-vo6uo

6 ай бұрын

All states are founded and maintained though violence and aggression. I thought objectivists understood that.

@berndholl

6 ай бұрын

​@@spearview, die Juden begannen erst dann, gegen die Engländer zu kämpfen, als diese dazu übergingen, die jüdische Einwanderung massiv einzuschränken.

@davidbrown4703

6 ай бұрын

Very well put, so very true.

@plo8920

6 ай бұрын

Modern jews have no connection to ancient jews....this land was original inhabitated by cananites...read cananites genocide by Israelites and occupation of Canan land written in Torah and Bible.... modern jews are converted pagan white European like sepharadi, ashkenazi before Christianity spread in Europe and intermarriage... converted bkack ethopian jews, converted Yemeni jews, converted persian jews, converted, converted indian jews, converted mountain jews, converted Chinese kaifei jews....look these different jews groups face,eyes,hair,body colour 😅... Palestinians are original descendants of ancient canan and jews people's.... original jews converted to Christianity and Islam....Israelis are afraid if dna test , because they have no middle eastern dna so they called European white jews as ashkenazi in dna test but showing dna from Europe 😅 ...Khazar jews Kingdom, ethopian jews Kingdom, Yemeni jews Kingdom converted to Judaism

Mr. Journo should make a map showing the desert that Israel converted into productive farmland. I think the world needs to know that Israel has taken land of no value and made it into paradise. Now Palestinians want this land.

@aliensoup2420

6 ай бұрын

Israel created a prosperous, productive, and inclusive society from nothing. 1/5 of Nobel Prize winners are Jewish, but only 1 is Palestinian, which was Arafat who broke the peace shortly after receiving the award. Palestinians would do themselves an incalculable favor by peacefully joining Israel in a single state solution.

@chandrashekharkalyanaraman5224

6 ай бұрын

​@@aliensoup2420Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. Please, let's not talk of the Peace Prize in the same breath as the other Nobel Prizes. Doing so brings down the overall reputation of the Nobel prizes.

@zayed2023

6 ай бұрын

Totally agree But don't you know that palestine were living in these desert before Israel kick them and turn it to paradise they didn't ask Israel a lot they just want thir land no one cares whether it were desert or forst or paradise

@Leo_Pard_A4

6 ай бұрын

​@zayed2023 not their land anymore. The Arabs started 3 wars and lost them all, and if you start wars and then lose them, the borders may change. Take a look at the maps of Europe from before and after the two world wars.

@denissijecic5164

6 ай бұрын

​@Leo_Pard_A4 its just that after ww2 the world decided that nobody can keep land they invade.

Scholarly consensus. Most scholars agree that the Philistines were of Greek origin, and that they came from Crete and the rest of the Aegean Islands or, more generally, from the area of modern-day Greece.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

I don't think the people of Crete thought of themselves as Greeks, the Greeks invaded that island at one time.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

And they had a different culture; note their architecture difference.

It feels like a complicated bit of context is being missed here. There is an idea being snuck in, that the British rule of Palestine was uncontested and that colonial rule is somehow seen as just. Moreover, that as lehitimate holders of the land, that Britain was entitled to do whatever they saw fit with the region. This isn't true. I refer you to the number of countries across the globe that celebrate their independence from British rule dating from the post war period. Whilst, Palestine was not a sovereign nation as such, it was occupied by a foreign power, it did have people with a national Identity who were striving for independence from foreign rule. It was also a consistent trend in the past war period that colonial powers would cede control of their colonies to the resident population. So, it is not unexpected that the people of Palestine would expect the same treatment. However, this did not come to pass. Whilst no one would deny that displaced Jewish people, who had just been through the most horrific experiences imaginable, needed the support of the international community to rebuild their lives. It was naive to seek to build a new state defined by people of a single ethnicity on top of a nation of people who are already resisting the rule of the foreign government that was granting these permissions. Palestinian resistance did not begin in 1947. The founding of Israel was, from a Palestinian perspective, a continuation of colonial oppression at a time when people's across the world were in the process of being liberated. In a sense you are right to say that the history of the region is more complex. But you are also guilty of oversimplifying it for your own political narrative.

@petracastro6021

Күн бұрын

I agree completely! I'd like to add that in 1915 the British High Commissioner Henry McMahon promised Arab independence to the Sharif of Mecca if the Arabs would help them against the Ottoman empire - what they did (World War I). Two years later, in 1917, the British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour promised to establish a home to Jewish people in Palestine (Balfour Declaration). After the war, the land was split between France and Great Britain (creating new colonies). That's why Palestine formally never belonged to the Palestinian people but to GB - and before WW I to the Ottoman empire.

And with the same reasoning I assume he could say that land was never taken from the Native Americans by Europeans because the Native Americans never even had the concept of land ownership.

@lalumbreras3

4 ай бұрын

In this case , the natives are the jews!

@rifaterzrumly5210

4 ай бұрын

Exactly as I mentioned they were lured to selling and forced into refuge camps in neighboring countries for the last 75 years spent born and died ... children and grandchildren...

@feelcollins4358

4 ай бұрын

exactly, colonizer propaganda used to justify their actions

@samuelhowie4543

4 ай бұрын

The native Americans fought with each other to control hunting rights to areas of land. That the same thing, control of the land.

@deeder001

4 ай бұрын

The Chippewa-Ojibwa in Michigan received a massive pristine land allotment IN VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE for giving up their claims to any lands out side of it. They promptly began to sell it off for the valuable timber. Most of them had squandered it, and their children were then left with no 'tribal home'. People felt sorry for them, so the state of Michigan gave them ANOTHER massive allocation of pristine wilderness, this time placed in TRUST so they could NOT sell it off and squander the money, be broke again in 10 years. This incompetence, corruption, and inter-fighting amongst themselves is ALSO the story for many Native tribes. Many nations/tribes had to have their lands placed into TRUSTS for this reason.

Excellent overview of the conflict. I wish they'd discussed the fact that 20% of Israel's population is Muslim (Druze, Bedouins mostly). I want to better understand how they stayed in Israel and live peacefully, yet Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza aren't doing so well.

@dasstraat

6 ай бұрын

Over 60 years ago, Israel attracted many Arabic people to work for them, They turned swamp land in a nice country. The arablans (not palestines) had a good life in Israel and were needed to build the country. It's the only country that has peace, minimum death rates and an honest government. In other countries, most Jewish were killed.

@suncat991

6 ай бұрын

And the Druze etc … Muslim by force…. The people of those lands were coerced/forced via the Muslim Conquests .. and beyond.. up to present day… Islam is the problem.

@cantrell0817

6 ай бұрын

@@dasstraat Ok, that helps. I didn't know that many Muslims migrated into Israel. Now it makes sense why they live peacefully. They literally want to be there.

@dasstraat

6 ай бұрын

@@cantrell0817 Countries like Qatar and Saoudi Ariabia need 10 million guest workers this year. All people from Gaza could go there and get a rewarding job. However, first law of hamas tells them to kill Israel, so they prefer to live in the desert and shoot rockets at Israel. I don't understand many things.

@bobbrereton4785

6 ай бұрын

No mention of the well documented state of apartheid that many reputable political leaders have said Palestinians live under. This conflict will never be settled. The current leadership in Israel is incompetent and in Netanyahu’s case, criminally corrupt, bears much responsibility for allowing Hamas to easily burst through Israel’s slipshod defenses. Why was Bibi asleep at the wheel. The US continues to prop up the world’s fourth most powerful nuclear nation with billions and billions in aid.

"Palestine" word originates from Latin language used by Romans to describe the region around that time kingdom of Israel and The Kingdom of Israel predates the use of the Latin word "Palestine" by several centuries. The Kingdom of Israel emerged around the 11th century BCE, while the term "Palestine" originated from the Roman province of Judea, which was established much later, during Roman rule in the region, around the 1st century BCE.

@learntosharemore6263

8 күн бұрын

600 yrs after ancient Israel ceased to exist

@buisnessclass9520

6 күн бұрын

Old name Judea

@deadpool.3339

6 күн бұрын

@@buisnessclass9520 The Kingdom of Israel existed roughly from around 1020 BCE to 922 BCE, following the United Monarchy under King Saul, King David, and King Solomon. After Solomon's death, the kingdom split into the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah.Meanwhile,Islam began in the early 7th century CE, specifically in 610 CE when the prophet Muhammad received the first revelation from God, according to Islamic tradition.this event marked the beginning of Islam as religious and social movement

@buisnessclass9520

6 күн бұрын

Judea was renamed to Palestine by the Romans to punish the Jews who rebelled against roman rule. in essence, the roman empire effectively weakened the association of the Jews to that region by removing the Hebrew name.the consequences are apparent now

11:04 The concern among Arab nations is that they do not want UN allies close to their borders, reminiscent of the Cuban Missile Crisis. This appears to be a case of "do as I say, not as I do." This kind of reporting either underestimates the audience's understanding or is overly simplistic. Notably, the UN Plan fragmented Palestinian land into three parts, all encircled by Israel, which could control the entry and exit of people and resources, effectively managing the movement within these territories. This scenario bears similarities to historical conflicts. The UN Plan, which allowed Israel to encircle Palestinian territories, arguably led to war. Imagine if someone set up camp in your front yard and dictated the division of the land around your house, controlling your movements and access-a situation few would accept. This arrangement around Gaza has turned it into what some call an open-air prison, suggesting that this outcome was intended from the start.

1)Before the modern state of Israel there was the British mandate, Not a Palestinian state . 2) Before the British mandate there was the ottoman empire, Not a Palestinian state . 3) Before the ottoman empire there was the Islamic mamluk sultanate of Egypt, Not a Palestinian state . 4)Before the Islamic mamluk sultanate of Egypt there was the ayyubid dynasty, Not a Palestinian state .Godfrey of bouillon conquered it in 1099. 5) Before the ayyubid dynasty there was the christian kingdom of Jerusalem, Not a Palestinian state . 6) Before the christian kingdom of Jerusalem there was the Fatimid caliphate, Not a Palestinian state . 7) Before the Fatimid caliphate there was the byzantine empire, Not a Palestinian state . 😎 Before the byzantine empire there was the Roman empire, Not a Palestinian state . 9) Before the Roman empire there was the hasmonean dynasty, Not a Palestinian state . 10)Before the hasmonean dynasty there was the Seleucid empire,Not a Palestinian state . 11) Before the Seleucid empire there was the empire of Alexander the 3rd of Macedon, Not a Palestinian state . 12) Before the empire of Alexander the 3rd of Macedon there was the Persian empire, Not a Palestinian state . 13) Before the Persian empire there was the Babylonian empire, Not a Palestinian state . 14) Before the Babylonian empire there was the kingdoms of Israel and Judea, Not a Palestinian state . 15) Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judea there was the kingdom of Israel, Not a Palestinian state . 16) Before the kingdom of Israel there was the theocracy of the 12 tribes of Israel, Not a Palestinian state . 17) Before the theocracy of the 12 tribes of Israel there was the individual state of Canaan, Not a Palestinian state . In fact in this corner of the earth there was everything but a Palestinian state! Origins @voiceofisrael

@yakirlevy9371

6 ай бұрын

yes!

@kishiyomo993

6 ай бұрын

People don't magically disappear, and change their skin colour after they've been conquered. People didn't lose rights to their land after converting to Islam. The Christians and their holy sites were protected under Islamic rule. These only changed after the Zionists established their illegal occupation and pushed out the locals towards Gaza

@matkasim

6 ай бұрын

before 1947, there was no Israel. Just Palestine . check the 1908 Bibles

@occupant9778

6 ай бұрын

@@colinbrown7305 Transjordan got 80% of what was once Israel. At the time of the UN discussion, Arab/Muslim nations opposed it based on Islamic rule (once conquered by Islam, it must always be Muslim land, see Andalusia/Spain), and said nothing about a "Palestinian" people except that there were none. From 1948-1967, Gaza was controlled by Egypt and Judea/Samaria by Jordan. "Palestinians" never complained of occupation. Israel is 0.04% of the ME. They have no land to trade and Islam has no peace to offer.

@chrismalcomson7640

6 ай бұрын

The nation state is quite a modern concept drawn up by colonial powers, especially in this region. Israel is a nation because the mechanisms exist to declare it so. In the past it was all about your ability to defend and rule an area under your control, thats what defined your borders..

One thing that always seems to be missed is that "Hamas v Israeli government" and "The rights of the Palestinians to land v the rights of the jews to land" are two entirely different questions. Thinking that the Palestinians have a fair complaint that they are being squeezed into ever smaller areas does not equate to supporting Hamas. Thinking Israel has a right to take measures to defend itself from Hamas attacks does not mean you support Gaza being indescriminately turned to rubble. I can't offer a solution though. Both sides seemed to have dialled up the rhetoric to the point where total annihilation of the other side is seen as a reasoned outcome.

@JadeReal

6 ай бұрын

Very well put

@yuvalefrati8550

6 ай бұрын

Just ask yourself, now and ever before who instigated the violence and strived for peace and quiet. You will find that the Palestinians are always attacking and israel is always trying to have peace

@jacobbay3114

6 ай бұрын

​@@yuvalefrati8550the obvious proof will be ignored. The Israelis developed numerous ways to defend their people, i.e., the iron dome. How does Hamas defend their people? They are the governing party after all, they should defend their own people.

@yuvalefrati8550

6 ай бұрын

​@@jacobbay3114 they took all the food and gasoline from their own people. They built their biggest bunkers underneath the hospitals. And they brutelize the Palestinians daily more than israel does

@VampguyN85

6 ай бұрын

Hamas didn't come along until 2006 and Israel helped to create them and refuses to allow anyone else in leadership. And has funded them over the years.

The Israel Philharmonic Orchestra was founded as the Palestine Symphony Orchestra by violinist Bronisław Huberman in 1936, at a time of the dismissal of many Jewish musicians from European orchestras. Its inaugural concert took place in Tel Aviv on December 26, 1936, conducted by Arturo Toscanini.

@williewonka6694

3 күн бұрын

Well, that illustrates what happened to Palestine as well as anything.

@meia5990

2 күн бұрын

What is your point here exactly??? And whar does it prove.

@hooywamd00pe95

Күн бұрын

@@williewonka6694 Palestine is a made up name by Roman invaders and colonizers in order to rename Judea the land of Israel as punishment for the Jews who were constantly rebelling against the occupation. Stop with the nonsense. There never was a country called Palestine in human history.

??? No land owned by collective? What are countries if not that? Come on the entire attitude of this guy is falacy. In his opinion Sahara desert should not belong to any country since people don’t live there? Or is Israel going to inhabit it and take it from Egypt too?

@lennardchurch8483

Күн бұрын

Your premise is fallacious. Every part of the Sahara desert is in some country or other, just as when the Jews returned to their ancestral homeland, all of those lands were part of the British Empire. No state, country, or nation of "Palestine" ever existed in all of recorded history. The Islamist Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" are ethnically Egyptian and Jordanian, mostly descended from colonizers and raiders who went into what is now Israel only within the last couple hundred years.

My dad told me in the 1970s they’ve been throwing rocks at each other for thousands of years, if you think they will stop in your lifetime you are a fool.

@Difop

6 ай бұрын

Well I guess I'm a fool for not taking History lessons from some rando's dad

@alexrubin5955

6 ай бұрын

Yes you are @@Difop

@fotis3v480

6 ай бұрын

​@@Difopuneducated tr4sh will be uneducated tr4sh. Add religion on top and you get Palestine.

@Difop

6 ай бұрын

@@fotis3v480 Such an educated remark

@rebekah5058

6 ай бұрын

Mohammed was born in the 7th century, so maybe not thousands of years.

The bigger context would include a discussion of how muslims, through self initiated war, conquered the Middle East, Northern Africa and most of the Iberian peninsula. The conquered people were coerced and forced to convert to Islam or be oppressed under sharia law. Once a land was conquered it was declared to belong to islam forever, even after the inhabitants succeeded in kicking the muslims out and resuming control of their own land, as happened with the Iberian peninsula.

@tomorrowisanotherday12

6 ай бұрын

Well said. It's the same drama, here, in Kashmir. Muslims invaded someone else's land. Then came the British and after the British left, the earlier inhabitants of the land got their land back and the Muslims in Kashmir started playing victims as if the land belonged to them in the first place. They even carried out a genocide of the Hindus but instead claim the Muslims are being eliminated every time a terrorist is killed!

@ChargerrentalCoandammo

6 ай бұрын

Look what's happening to Europe. But who's the NGOs, organisations, individuals, lawyer's and groups who are pushing mass immigration into western Europe? Exactly, diversity for everyone but certain people.

@ArghBlahr

6 ай бұрын

I assumed all land on this earth have been taken, retaken and then taken by somebody entirely Else at some point, lol. Probably even further back than what our knowledge of history is. So where do we draw the line and say that these or those are the rightful owners of that land?

@ArghBlahr

6 ай бұрын

And I dont know enough about the Kashmir conflict, so I just ask; is it possible that the land might even "rightfully belong" to neither Hindus or muslims? Maybe some other ethnic group that was there before both of them had control of that particular land? Who knows...

@chitosesenri7087

6 ай бұрын

Stfu Ellie, Muslim this and Muslim that. Every society religion in history has done similar and worst. What's the main point now is the genocide taking place in Gaza. Get off your high horse and see how you'd react after decades of ethnic cleansing by a side with disproportionate military might given be the west.

Throughout the years of Palestinians have attacked Israel Time After Time they were offered a deal in 1948 and they rejected that deal and have been at War ever since they've proven the fact that Israel needs that space to defend itself

@makylemur7019

6 ай бұрын

The palestinian rejectionism goes back to 1937 when their leadership rejected the Peel plan which gave the palestinians 3/4 of the Palestine mandate territory.

@-_a-a_-

6 ай бұрын

It was their land. They didn't have to accept anything. I know the white man thinks he's God Almighty, but the U.S. would NOT have tolerated America being carved up by the U.N. for another people. Why wasn't land taken off Germany?

@thekauders567

6 ай бұрын

5 times offered a pace deal and 5 times they said No

@edres7563

6 ай бұрын

Is it true that the majority of Arabs who were living inside the area that became the Israeli State in 1948, were expelled by Israel and fled to Gaza?

@omarlittle-hales8237

6 ай бұрын

Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace. Gospel [Last Testament]: I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying-I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you." Quran [Last Testament]: Towards The Latter Days, The Children Of Israel Will Be Haughty [Except The Pious Versed In Torah].

Please present a map with the titled owners at 1947

OK. Then could you please show the correct maps of the Izrael-Palestinian conflict since 1948?

Theoretically as an Israeli, by definition I am Palestinian and Israel could have been called the Nation of Palestine, but people tend to misunderstand the Arab notion of Palestine and the region called Palestine. Edit: why are people so mad 🤣 I think yall missed the part where I said I am Israeli, was born in Rishon Letzion.

@pikapi6993

6 ай бұрын

Palestine is the foreign greek name for the region. Israel is the true name of the region. Like germany and deutschland. but additionally, israel is a name given to the region by God :)

@zayed2023

6 ай бұрын

It was Palestine and it'll still Palestine

@genekivva8118

6 ай бұрын

@@zayed2023 The P sound is not in arabic language, even today. There is "Palestine" geographic area (greater Judea that Roman emperor had renamed, with a reference to Philistinians, who were not arabic people.) But there are no palestinian people. Yaser Arafat was born in Egypt but his last name points to Saudi Arabia.

@ananthan8951

6 ай бұрын

​@@zayed2023I am told even the Koran does not refer to Palestine but only to Children Of Israel. That the Romans who had dispossessed the Jews called it Palestine to humiliate the Jews.

@omarlittle-hales8237

6 ай бұрын

Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace. Gospel [Last Testament]: I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying-I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you." Quran [Last Testament]: Towards The Latter Days, The Children Of Israel Will Be Haughty [Except The Pious Versed In Torah].

It's never about who lives there, it's always about who it's ruled by.

@spicrown

6 ай бұрын

Yeah the arabs wanted to rule over it. But at we all know how democracy and freedom there is in arabic countries… Every single human rather live in israel and not “palestine” ruled by islamic jihad on a different universe

@aminebrahmi8034

6 ай бұрын

Reallyy ?? So who lives there isnt important ? That's how u explain the nakba and 1948 right ?

@Zombiesbum

6 ай бұрын

@@aminebrahmi8034 Yes and no. Would you say Alaska is not part of USA? Or would you say it is still Russian? After all, people with Russian heritage still live there. Land is ruled by individuals in a very simple sense, and we tend to call those monarchies. The interviewee's argument is misleading, ironic considering he's complaining about an image being misleading.

@suezbell1

6 ай бұрын

Owners choose.

@tahwnikcufos

6 ай бұрын

@@aminebrahmi8034 You obviously didn't understand the comment...

The big mistake and injustice was of course to impose a UN deal to a population that never accepted it. Imagine that the UN had decided for instance to create Israel in US territory, for instance using Wyoming, which had a very small population at the time (and still has). What would the US have done? Accept it or fight for its territory ?

@meritholdingllc123

7 күн бұрын

You offer a false premise. One, USA won WWI & WWII, so Israel would not have been created in Wyoming unless the USA offered it. Two, while there have always been Jews in what is now Israel (including 1947), there is no history of an appreciable population of Jews in Wyoming.

@albertlevert2988

7 күн бұрын

@@meritholdingllc123 like there was nos appreciable European population in the Americas before 1492. If Wyoming isn’t a good choice you could take New York. As you perfectly know my whole point is that there was a fundamental injustice to colonize land the way it was, and continues to be (I have friends who are recent settlers in the West Bank).

@albertlevert2988

7 күн бұрын

@@meritholdingllc123 And you also know that the Arabs sided with the British in WWI to help them dislodge the Ottomans. To thank them the British sent settler colons.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

But the Jews had no connection with Wyoming, so there!

"There is no land owned by a collective". For an opening statement, that's a lot of bs. Any government IS a collective and government DOES OWN land, so it is factually wrong.

I still remember well a quote by my fellow Dutchman, Jew, Lawyer, Teacher, Zionist and finally Anti-Zionist Jacob Israël de Haan. As a correspondent in Palestine for the Rotterdamsche Courant in the 1930-ties he wrote: "The Jewish people may be a people without a homeland, but Palestine certainly is not a land without a people". He was murdered around 1936 by the Haganah when he left his synagogue in Jerusalem.

@seanericson907

6 ай бұрын

Excellent quote. Ty

@HJB390

6 ай бұрын

👏👏👏

@TBD3.0

4 ай бұрын

Very well said. And from that group (i.e. Hagana) the Stern gang was created to terrorize the locals, even Albert Einstein wanted nothing to do with them he knew the truth.

@bernardbeaudreau7330

4 ай бұрын

Yup, the UN created a state for a stateless people by creating a stateless people.....problem solved...????? The West is collectively to blame for the current crisis in Palestine!

It would be helpful if you showed an accurate first map that shows where no people lived.

@RagingRob

3 ай бұрын

Lol

@WorldifySanity

3 ай бұрын

That included most of the land. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs poured into the land to work for the British from 1920-1947.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

The Arab surrounding armies were so confident that they could easily conquer the Jews who had no armed forces since the 2nd Cent. AD, that they were shocked when the Jews fought back so well. One becomes an amazing warrior when you are going to be killed or pushed into the sea. The Jews prevailed as they had no other choice.

You're kidding yourself if you think every family was paid fair market value for their land, or even given a choice.

@arifmohammedyasars937

Күн бұрын

The rothchilds of balfourd declaration is enough to prove the illegitimacy of illegal occupation

I'm at 6:20 as I make this comment. Our scholar appears not to understand that the European settlers came to a land which was pre-modern. It was a feudal society in which the people were a part of the land. After the Ottomans were defeated by Britain, the "lords" were willing to sell land for cash, which in effect meant they were selling the houses and fields and vineyards and olive trees that constituted the homes and livelihoods and inheritances of others. Did thee buyers get a deed? Yes. And did they "steal the land"? Yes. If I was a householder, say a herdsman, I was suddenly evicted from planet earth. Under the system of land holding in that place, I had belonged to the land and the land had belonged to me. This clashing of gears and two civilizations collided is nothing unusual in history. It has happened everywhere feudal culture gave way to modern culture. And the Europeans understood this absolutely, even if Mr Journo pretends not to. Curiously this same thing has happened in the wake of collapsing communism, and was just enormously common. Peasants (whom I know personally) who lived in a barter economy suddenly were required to purchase their own farmstead, but had neither cash nor credit. Those who had any cash at all were able to buy everything out from under them. Was it legal? Well sure, the law was written specifically to allow it. Was it theft? You bet your ass it was theft. On a massive scale.

@lennardchurch8483

8 күн бұрын

You are conflating entirely different things. The the legal landowners sell the land to other people, that's a legal transfer of ownership of the land, not theft. If you don't own a plot of land, and aren't paying rent on it, you're a squatter, and the legal owner has the right to evict you. And if you're part of a militant force that tries to commit genocide against another people, and they survive, pushing your forces back as they establish defensible borders against you, then you no longer have any legal claim to that land you lost in a war you started. That is well established in the international laws of war. As the Jews moved in, they lived alongside any Arabs who were willing to live alongside them (which is why 20% of all Israeli citizens are Arabs). The problem is that most of the Arab peoples refuse to acknowledge Israel's existence, and vow to destroy the Jewish people. Israel has the right to defend themselves against aggressors.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

Simplistic thinking.

@Birch37

4 күн бұрын

The land was scarcely populated in 1918 and was not purely Muslim owners. So no.....

@josephbradford5930

3 күн бұрын

@@Birch37 What makes you choose 1918? Odd choice.

You will not find any Palestinian coins or artifacts in Israel but you will find Jewish coins and artifacts in Israel

@slavkocicak5322

6 ай бұрын

This fact of yours truly acknowledges and supports Israel's war on the 2,3 million Palestinians in Gaza, and any killing of civilians is hereby excused

@pemithmithsara7632

6 ай бұрын

@@slavkocicak5322Y E S

@ronjon7942

6 ай бұрын

Interesting point.

@BlackTakGolD

6 ай бұрын

@@slavkocicak5322 At no point did he say "And thus it is righteous," does a mere factoid rile your bad faith this badly?.

@johanneslock2142

6 ай бұрын

​@@slavkocicak5322remind me again, who started this war on oct. 7??

For the third panel, I will use Canada as the example. Even though the land/area of Canada is wide, but the most populated areas are only a few

@one2toomany

6 ай бұрын

Now imagine America taking some of Canadas uninhabited land, and claiming it's theirs simply because no one lives there now, or Canada isn't using it properly. That's Israel taking land.

@maxter000

6 ай бұрын

Don't believe this video is very well documented that since 1948 Israel destroyed over 500 Palestinian villages

@tundelarsson7817

6 ай бұрын

Your comments are hidden for some reason.

@maxter000

6 ай бұрын

So sickk seeing "educated" people spreading misinformation in favor of a country that is actually committing genocide or to justify injustice ISRAEL IS NOT BETTER THAN NAZI GERMANY , PEOPLE READ INVESTIGATE ON YOUR OWN AND USE YOUR BRAIN ALL THIS IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED..

@kusnovakusnova3819

6 ай бұрын

@@tundelarsson7817 I don't hide anything?

I haven't heard you prove your claim.

Show the real maps if you disagree with these maps.

I'm commenting as I go along in the video - i'm only five minutes in but wondering when he's talking about the map and the Palestinians "claim of collective ownership" not "owning" all of it because people don't live in uninhabitable areas, etc....Don't all countries in the world pretty much say any land within their borders is the "collective ownership" of the land of that country? " I don't understand...doesn't the first map show the "boarders" of Palestine? Was it not a country in 1947 with those boarders? Does that also mean that the "uninhabitable" areas of the United States do not belong to the US? Doesn't the US have "collective ownership if everything within it's boarders? I know people from other countries "own" land in the US but isn't the land still "collectively the USA?

@GaneshPalraj1991

6 ай бұрын

Great point.

@donaldoshei9755

6 ай бұрын

Actually it was not a country in 1947. It was a British controlled section that had formerly been owned by the Ottoman Turks who lost it in World War 1. All Jews and Arabs in the Mandate were subject to British political control and neither had their own sovereignty or government. When the British withdrew the UN split sovereignty into arab and israeli sections but the day that went into effect the neighboring Arab countries declared war on the Israeli political section and prevented any local Arab political sovereignty from forming.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🗺️ Introduction and the Controversial Maps - The video begins with a discussion about the use of maps to argue whether Israel has stolen Palestinian land. - The Maps are presented as a central point of contention. 02:20 🌍 Collective Ownership and Context - The concept of collective ownership and its absence is discussed. - The fallacy of dropping context is explained, emphasizing the importance of a holistic understanding. 09:10 🌐 UN Partition Plan and Arab Reactions - The UN partition plan and the immediate Arab reaction are described. - The importance of evaluating the historical context and Arab rejection of the plan is highlighted. 16:17 🗺️ Misrepresentation of Territories - Discussion on the misrepresentation of territories and how the green areas were governed by Jordan and Egypt. - The significance of the defensive nature of Israel's actions in 1967 is explained. Made with HARPA AI

@Zhana808

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. That was thoughtful and very well put together. I really appreciate it.

@KalonOrdona2

8 күн бұрын

​@@Zhana808A.I., apparently? crazy

(Modern usage) Palestinian (stolen name)was defined in nineteen seventy four by arafat...prior, it was a generic term for ppl of that region. Including Christians, including Jews. Now, go back, also yo tje pre Roman Empire, and before.

@Amokra

4 күн бұрын

also in the UN map those 3 areas were part of Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon and taken during the 6 day war the "Palestinians" were the refugees that were left behind that their respective countries did not take back when the Jews of those states were sent over.

Weird that he shows a map from almost 20 years ago when West Bank settlements have grown since then.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

The right wing government is trying to take the West Bank with Israeli settlers; most Jews wish for a 2 state solution, not what Netanyahu wants.

Valuable as historical parallels certainly are, it becomes tiresome when they are abused in defense of exploitation, hostility, and violence in the here and now. My personal experience in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean is limited to a few weeks and a hundred or so conversations with local Christians, Muslims, Druses and Jews. What struck me above all was the extraordinary kindliness of all of the people I met there. It is something they have in common.

@InnocentiusLacrimosa

6 ай бұрын

Looking at all the horrors that they are doing to each other, I would say that the kindness you saw in them is just a one tiny fragment of the reality of their culture.

@franzmuller235

6 ай бұрын

@@InnocentiusLacrimosa No, it's the very nature of the people there, as long as they are not indoctrinated in one direction or the other by religious extremists.

@LDillon

6 ай бұрын

@@InnocentiusLacrimosa The horrors the *governments* are doing to the people. I suspect the people Thomas met were not in positions of political power, but were actual, normal individuals. The real people, suffering on both sides of a conflict that they never wanted.

@arugono

6 ай бұрын

​@@LDillonoften the problems in Palestine are due to the regional powers such as Iran and Syria not wanting peace. The people are not seen as people but as fodder to be sacrificed for the glory of Iran and it's "superior" Muslims. The solution to the Palestinian problem could be negotiated by both sides but that would mean Arab nations having to take in Palestinians (a people with a tendency to start civil wars within their host nations) or accept Israel is able to live in peace and become recognised. When jihad is used more literally than spiritually, the people will think physical war is more important than spiritual warfare. The idea of our time on Earth is only moment combined with the reward system (rightly or falsely translated) creates a religion that chooses bloodshed over peace. It's easier to kill than to change yourself to become a better person.

@andrew_owens7680

6 ай бұрын

They always did. Contrary to propaganda, those people got along fairly well prior to Zionism. There were 270,000 Jews in Morocco before the Zionist organizations convinced most of them to leave. They now return to Morocco every vacation and some are starting to buy land again. I've even seen Menorahs on display in the shops in Marrakesh to attract Jewish customers. When King Hassan II died, Jewish mourners in Israel honored him.

Germany was a lot bigger country before getting into 2 world wars and losing both

@wayando

6 ай бұрын

But no one created a new country on top of it

@MyChannel-1999

6 ай бұрын

​@@wayando When Palestine independence day? Same question to you

@wayando

6 ай бұрын

@@MyChannel-1999 ... Well, the obvious thing that you seem to be hiding is that Europeans invaded the area ... And swept aside the natives ... This is factual. And you can't, with a straight face, ask the natives to bend over and take it.

@Agm1995gamer

6 ай бұрын

​@@wayandocontrary to what?

@CuriousCattery

6 ай бұрын

​​@@wayandoon top of the Ottoman empire?

There's a lot I want to say, but I don't really care to write an essay for this, so I'll just post the first thing I saw wrong and if anyone wants to debate I'm fine with it. Just because land isn't arable, that doesn't mean no one owns it.

@MyHardyhar

3 күн бұрын

Let me add, I am happy that resources were put in the desc.

This is similar to saying that Ukrain stole Russian land....

@jeffeastwood1051

4 күн бұрын

BAM. This guy making his "out of context" claims is literally justifying Israel's theft of the land through "legal" means.

Interesting video on a well known and distributed set of maps. I appreciate the perspective being presented and discussed. However I’m not sure about the strength of the arguments being shown: 1. “Nobody was there” is an old colonial view of conquering territory. Famously the “Terra Nullius” claim for Australia. There are huge swathes of unoccupied land in many countries but it doesn’t mean people can just help themselves. 2. “Who builds a better country?” is a hugely subjective way of determining statehood. By what measure and for whom? There must be a number of countries that don’t deserve to exist by in the view of some. Does that mean they should be conquered and rebuilt in the image of the conqueror?

@leGUIGUI

6 ай бұрын

Two excellent points.

@BaronsHistoryTimes

6 ай бұрын

Very true.

@andrew_owens7680

6 ай бұрын

I would suggest that anyone could build a better country with enough interest free loans from America. Also, if the "better" metric is shiny buildings and you look the other way on human rights issues, then UAE has done a marvelous job with slave labor.

@MartinAndersson715

6 ай бұрын

Just be aware that you have philosophical disagreements with these people and you are assuming that your philosophical views are the correct ones. You might think some things are a matter of subjective preference whereas they think there is an objective standard of evaluation. You might think morality is subjective, relative or mystical whereas they think there is an objective morality with 'Life' as the standard of value. If you want to understand their point of view you should look in to Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism. 1. Is something bad because it was attitude of colonialist/imperialists? Was the essence of colonialists like the British even a negative thing? Obviously there are things to criticize but in the context at their time they were probably the most positive thing the world had going for it. Why should you not have the right to settle unsettled lands, assuming you are not violating anyone's rights? Not to say it is worth going to war over it but I think everyone has a right to settle unsettled land and defend themselves and their property. A country by definition is occupied land but just because land is occupied by a state doesn't mean the state "owns" it and if no one has settled the land, it has no owner yet. "Australia" the continent was not even a country at the time the british arrived and I assume the native people didn't even have any concept of property so the land was neither occupied nor owned by someone. The british themselves should obviously recognize and respect the rights of the natives who lived there as long as it's reciprocal. 2. You are assuming it is subjective. They would argue there are objective standards for what is a good state by the standard of human life and for human individuals living there. They would argue that a country is not an end in itself but a means to an end. They would argue there are definitely regimes that don't deserve to exist like North Korea, Venezuela, Iran and in the past the regimes of for example Soviet Union, Nazigermany etc. It does not mean free countries should conquer other lands and definitely not for sacrificial reasons for the sake liberating the oppressed people in other countries. They believe sustainable change can only come through ideas. In contexts like the defeat of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan when war was necessary anyway, I think they would support free countries to impose the values of a free country and system of government, at least partly to sustain peace. Free countries don't go to war with each other because people are busy living and trading to their mutual benefit.

@leGUIGUI

6 ай бұрын

@@MartinAndersson715 "and you are assuming that your philosophical views are the correct ones." Actually, It's AynRandInstitute who is assuming that their philosophy is the correct one and all Danicooke346 is doing is pointing out that AynRandInstitute might be mistaken about those assumptions. Also, you don't need a sense of property to occupy a territory aNd About "They would argue there are definitely regimes that don't deserve to exist" First you need to demonstrate the people who live in the Palestinian territory do not actually deserve to live there, something the video fail to do.

"there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs" - Thomas Sowell

@kimobrien.

5 ай бұрын

Sowell is just another "smart" who learned enough from reading Karl Marx to be able to look like a know it all.

@tkunzy3707

5 ай бұрын

​@@kimobrien.No he's a guy that actually believed in it through his younger years. The life and reality changed him into the conservative icon he is today. This quote from Thomas is a lesson most liberals never learn. One you should probably not gloss over with a weak character attack.

@kimobrien.

5 ай бұрын

@@tkunzy3707 Sure he did that's why he was drinking the Republican ultra right Joe McCarthy Koolaid where the US Gov't was being taken over by Communist in the US Labor Dept until he went to work their.

Ayn Rand Institute shows a map of 1947 saying that this land is purchased. Yes, probably it was eg. Sarsuk Purchases. However, does what Elan Journo say about the 2005 map also ring true? Is he saying that the illegal settlements that exist in the West Bank in 2024 are also legitimate land purchases?

@Dbb27

5 күн бұрын

It’s easy to be right since he picks and chooses his information.

@FeWolf

5 күн бұрын

Conquest of war, he Permanent Court of International Justice (‘PCIJ’) defined conquest as ‘a cause of loss of sovereignty when there is war between two States and by reason of the defeat of one of them sovereignty over territory passes from the loser to the victorious State’ (Eastern Greenland Case at 47). Conquest, strictly so-called, is therefore a derivative title of acquisition of territorial sovereignty (Territory, Acquisition) taking... been around since 1st war.

@petersaczko6192

5 күн бұрын

@@FeWolf I'm not 100% sure what you are trying to say but it might be that sovereignty can change through conquest. Are you saying that this legitimizes Israel's claims to the West Bank? If that is the case then isn't it just a matter of taking back that very same territory through warfare and conquest? Isn't this legitimizing violence? I'd rather not have it this way, although it seems to be in part the reasoning behind why this conflict continues.

@ArsenicJulep

5 күн бұрын

Some of the land lived on by Jews was purchased by Rothschild and others. But when Jewish immigrants were purchased allotments allowing them to be tenant farmers on land owned by others, land also worked by Muslim or Christian Palestinians, the immigrants harassed and beat the non-Jews chased them off the land. This practice started in the 1880s when Jews first started coming to Palestine, what was then a Turkish colony.

@johnnysecular

4 күн бұрын

@@FeWolfwhat does that have to do with private land stolen from its owners without compensation? even if you believe that Israel’s war loot is legitimate, you will have to admit that outside of the Negev, 92% of the land that was previously privately owned, was stolen from its rightful owners and is today in the ownership of the state of Israel. there was no purchase no exchange with any of the individual owners of 96% of the land; even those who stayed and became citizens of Israel had their land confiscated by the state.

15:46 Independence war ? It was a defensive war from what i understood.

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

That is true, as all the Arab countries tried to invade the Israeli area and push them into the sea; "From the river to the sea," that is what it means.

@BravoVSAlpha

5 күн бұрын

@@artmaven43 just no. "From Jordan to the Sea" was originally an Israeli phrase about how all the land would be Israeli

Most palestinian arabs are descended from arabs from other places that moved to the British Palestine mandate, the same time many Jews moved there. For the same reasons, because British Palestine was a great place to live in comparison to many other places in the region. There were jobs, there were freedoms, there was peace (not entirely for sure, but compared to other places). At the time the mandate was set up, very very few people lived in the area at all. So saying it is "their land" is a bit disingenuous.

@behavioraldesign

6 ай бұрын

The debate is often so absurd with activists denying any migration.

@juanpaz5124

6 ай бұрын

Funny for the immigration fetishists to disregard this

@genekivva8118

6 ай бұрын

UK was disingenuous as far as their own (and later League of Nations') promise that land to the Jews.

@knutthompson7879

6 ай бұрын

@@SonderDAzeX Deserted no. Sparsely populated desert yes.

@ProjectHyena

6 ай бұрын

I thought Arab Muslims lived in the land for many centuries ago and build a mosque with the golden dome in Jerusalem. Didn't muslim Arabs lead by a Kurdish Salahdiin kick the Christians crusaders out many centuries ago. What Is this new history or what.

Truth. The sad fact Is that the Palestinian people are unable or unwilling to build a functioning state, nor are the surrounding Arab nations who had an opportunity to facilitate that are/were willing to do so, namely Egypt and Jordan.

@SamGordon-em5eg

6 ай бұрын

This is not actually true, pre 1948 it had a functioning state, its after the fact things changed. The parts of land this video says were egyptian and jordanian land weren't, but those nations did administer it for the palestinians for decades (so egypt and jordan did try to help, including militarily). The state of Palestine had actually existed as a state since ancient greeks, its where the world philestine comes from! Anyone denying this is washing history and is just as bad as a holocaust denier. The bigger question though is why do they need to be a functioning state as we call it? and why does not being a functional state give europeans the right to take their land from them and give to someone else? Couldnt they have just been left to their land in peace?

@den264

6 ай бұрын

How can the Palestinians build anything let alone a sovereign country. The Israelis stopped all trade going in and out of Palestine. They forbid them from having any meaningful industry. They forbid them freedom of movement, they forbid them on every count of being independent and self governing. Remove the chains of occupation, remove the lockdown of water, electricity, gas, ability to organize company's and import and export with anyone they wish, and the world will see what this brave, tough, intelligent rsce is capable of.

@arwasaadawy3346

6 ай бұрын

Egypt are doing a lot to Palestine more than any nation and everyone who knows history knows that, Egypt build Raffah road so that the provide Gaza with necessary supplies and when diplomatic problems occur because of that we send necessary supplies for underground tunnels but the problem occurred when some traitors informed Israel about these tunnels and Israel used these tunnels to run operations in Egypt that caused the death of many Egyptians and this is when the president (Abd El Fatah El Sisi) chose to close the tunnels for the safety of Egyptians even though we refused that but he forced his decision. the problem is. Israel not Egypt or Palestine.

@abcdefg91111

Ай бұрын

hard to build a state if bombs rain or if families are getting kicked out of their houses. The lack of thinking is worrying

@Riri-ho7pm

Ай бұрын

@@SamGordon-em5eg No, it didn't. Prior to 1948, we have the British Mandate for Palestine, ruled by the Brits and created for the Jews. The Arabs already got the Transjordan so, the rest should be for the Jews but to muslims, any land conquered by Islam must always a muslim land so, they can't accept that Jews have restored a country for themselves.

The thing is the bulk of Israel’s population migrated there at roughly the same time. That is there was a major migration of both Jews and Arabs in the late 19th century until the mid-twentieth century. Whereas the prevailing narrative asserts a populated Israel prior to that time. There were people there before that but not in great numbers

Is this even a question? 😂 They stole it and bragged about that

if the arabs had agreed to the UN plan of 1947, they would have their state for more than 70 years now. instead the attacked Israel several times and got beaten up by the Israelis every time. If you start wars and lose these wars, then you lose land.

@steelcom5976

6 ай бұрын

And we wonder why massacres happen.

@ts8960

6 ай бұрын

even after they tried to genocide israel, israel still in its founding document considered all arabs as equal citizens and now they kept 2 million arabs . Imagine being so ethical that after ppl try to genocide u , u still seek peace and equality

@BeGoodNow12

6 ай бұрын

​@@steelcom5976why does israel not massacre Germany after the holocaust? Because we have something your comment proves you don't - A functional brain

@karo2090

6 ай бұрын

I understand, you justify war crimes and the bombing of hospitals?

@millmoormichael6630

6 ай бұрын

Well, we were attacked by USSR and lost land, that was never returned

The truth will always be the truth. You'll never be able to cover the sun in the day, you'll never mask the truth with your lies.

@yvonnehayton6753

6 ай бұрын

What lies?

@millmoormichael6630

6 ай бұрын

@@yvonnehayton6753The lies masking another global anti-semitic campaign

@artmaven43

5 күн бұрын

Forget Eclipses did we?

The first map should be labelled "British Mandate".

The 2005 map doesn't exist.... Its still the same from last map