"Don't be evil" was Google's original motto. It was dropped sometime aroud 2008.

@marcodarko6941

Жыл бұрын

They are beyond any evil many cannot comprehend. I'm sure by them proclaimimg that it made them feel absolved from the actual evil they perpetrate. Whether she is still there or not, jordan h. their head of global machine learning would know what I'm saying.

@BatteryAz1z

Жыл бұрын

*2018

@cyclopsvision6370

Жыл бұрын

Google is a saint compared to a lot of other companies

@JimAllen-Persona

Жыл бұрын

@@cyclopsvision6370 They’re the same as everyone else… no better, no worse. I think people fall into camps and make excuses…you’re not a fanboy but you downplay or justify negative things about them. In my case, it’s Apple. But if pressed, I’ll admit they’re the same as everyone else.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

Can't be a trillion dollar mega monopole without being evil. That's just oxymoronic

I currently work for a FAANG company and it was actually been a good educational experience but the days are numbered and what Louis discusses has been on my mind for at least the last year. Thank you Louis very good insight and a point very worth sending to the engineers who have "made it".

@citizenguy

Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to stay on the FAANG salary, get healthcare, and get free food while you do the bare minimum? And then after work, you can help out on open-sourced software that gives more privacy to the consumer. I'm wondering if a person can compromise and do both.

The one problem with this is people's lifestyles often expand to their income. If you've already purchased the $800,000 house and the $100,000 car you may not be able to leave the job and take $90,000 as your pay with kids wife etc. some people feel they are locked in, maybe they're not, but they don't see it that way. they can't take the risk, for the others I hope they take your advice.

@conundrum2u

Жыл бұрын

Or you've moved to a location where the wage index is such that it requires a much higher income you can also be stuck. I'm assuming 90k providing for a family in Los Angeles or NYC is a bit rough.

@studio20seven

Жыл бұрын

Once you’re at that point you should be investing a good bit of your cash so you won’t have to rely on that great job and leave when you’re ready …

@4m4n40

Жыл бұрын

You aren’t doing your family a favour if you’re constantly forcing yourself to do things you hate. It’ll make you mentally fragile and you’ll just end up unconsciously teaching them to be like that. Being addicted to money isn’t a good thing either, don’t ruin your kids or spouse’s lives into chasing unfulfilling money like you would be in that scenario.

@elchampion7834

Жыл бұрын

Having an expensive car and house doesn’t mean you can just sell them and down scale. That excuse is a mental trap.

@PatrykPadus

Жыл бұрын

@@elchampion7834 Any homes are now expensive apartments . Many crap house even for 30,000$ are now for 60,000$ and price only rising in cost and everything. Now consider that you have high rent or high mortgage and you won't have option. People sell now crap houses for lot of money: www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/?searchQueryState=%7B%22mapBounds%22%3A%7B%22north%22%3A46.70707665411984%2C%22east%22%3A-73.77236313706246%2C%22south%22%3A18.39255013796218%2C%22west%22%3A-114.64150376206246%7D%2C%22isMapVisible%22%3Atrue%2C%22filterState%22%3A%7B%22sort%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3A%22globalrelevanceex%22%7D%2C%22ah%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Atrue%7D%2C%22sche%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22schm%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22schh%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22schp%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22schr%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22schc%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22schu%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22price%22%3A%7B%22max%22%3A100000%2C%22min%22%3A1000%7D%2C%22mp%22%3A%7B%22max%22%3A468%2C%22min%22%3A5%7D%2C%22manu%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22land%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%7D%2C%22isListVisible%22%3Atrue%2C%22mapZoom%22%3A5%2C%22usersSearchTerm%22%3A%22Ontario%22%2C%22schoolId%22%3Anull%2C%22pagination%22%3A%7B%7D%7D I too have issue, on my "village" price is same high like in usa. You pay from 50,000$ and up for place to leave (2 bed, 1 bathroom and ~40m2 size). Really not cheap considering that is "cheapest" option. Add any more work and billing spike to heaven. Pleas understand we don't have now any loot for free and only overpriced ones.

You’re mistaken, the golden handcuff is not the 200k job is the 2million dollar mortgage.

Changing jobs every few years is pretty normal for the professional people that Louis is speaking of. It's not required, if you like what you're doing. One point I would add is that finding the new job/opportunity BEFORE quitting the old one generally works better in terms of cash flow. Sure you can quit immediately for cause or have been fired and have no choice, but usually you have time to find your next step first.

@jgood005

Жыл бұрын

When I was in college, my grandpa would talk about company loyalty and how he climbed the corporate ladder from the 60s to the 90s and retired as a director. When I would hear recent grads come talk/try to recruit at club meetings, they'd give a bio and have worked for 2 or 3 different companies in a bunch of different positions within a few years of graduation. Company loyalty is a myth.

@alaric3056

Жыл бұрын

@@jgood005 i don't think it's a myth but it doesn't make sense nowadays

@lmcgregoruk

Жыл бұрын

@@jgood005 The median that people stay in a job is 4.1 years, that is, most people change jobs at least once every 4.1 years. The younger you are, the more likely you are to change job, 25-34yo median is 2.8 years, 55-64 median is 9.9 years. I mean people used to have a "Job for Life", that's not really a thing now. Whether it's the employee changing company, or the company hiring/firing/restructuring.

As someone who dropped _several_ jobs that were good on paper, but actually terrible to live with, and ended up with a job that I enjoy doing, fits me perfectly and pays well... I'm not sure I agree with Louis. When I look back and I'm tempted to see it as fated to happen or a series of good, brave choices on my part bringing me where I am, I wonder if it isn't actually just survivorship bias. "It went well for me, so it will for everyone else" isn't too convincing to me. If I went back, frankly I would make the same choices, but the fact that the outcome was ultimately positive was largely accidental. Granted, I'd do it again, but it wasn't a smart choice just because it went well. Also, at that time, I had no one depending on me, or any financial commitment, aside from keeping my pantry full and a roof over my head. And so was Louis. I wonder if we would be so bullish about it, with a mortgage, Bobby's and Sue's school fees to pay, a SAHM or a recently laid off spouse or old parents, to support. Or maybe alimony. It's tricky. It's likely that there is a homeless guy, out there, who made the same choices I made. I doubt an external observer would praise them if that was the case.

@Negus222

Жыл бұрын

I doubt anyone has fallen to the point of homelessness without a confounding factor like mental illness or addiction. I do agree that there’s probably folks that made similar choices but ended up less successful by their own definition. What’d I’d really like to know is if those folks regret their choices.

Louis, not everyone can just stop paying off their mortgage, give the middle finger to their family, quit their job, and start their own business with a 90% statistical failure rate.

Thank you, you are an inspiration for many out here including me. I've been following you for years, finally had my computer serviced in your NYC company recently. Great work your technicians did on my Mac-book pro. Aside from that, your messages are really impactful & honest... This middle aged guy me, only wishes for your more success and loves your end quote; in almost all your videos " Hope you learned something today "... Thank you, Mr. Louis Rossman... this world needs more genuine people like you. 😄

Solid advice. My next step is to work at a faang company now

I quit my job of 5 years. Good paying job and I love the work.. but in the end I wanted more of a life that I like. I am in the process of starting my own business.. best of luck to me

That's awesome to hear you say that you appreciate the people who work for you, and were willing to take a chance on you. That says a lot about your character Louis! Right On!!

never get sick of hearing you tell this story, it hits home on so many levels. cant wait till i have the means to open my own shop/workshop. and you can be damn sure right to repair will be one of the main driving philosophies. #keep-fighting-the-good-fight #right-to-repain #f&%k-gilded-cages

Much love. Thanks.

I say this having worked some of those low end jobs. I've left them without a second thought basically on a whim. There has never been a time in my life where I couldn't find a new job in more than 3-4 days. And that was with minimal effort. My dad who was a plumber always told me that a job's a job and that where there's one, there's 50 more just like it. It all depends on what you're willing to give up to get what you want.

Not everybody is living it up. Some people are banking that money for early retirement so can they can have the flexibily in future. People also have massive student debt.

@thedopplereffect00

Жыл бұрын

This is the smart thing to do. Once you are financially independent, then you can start exploring better opportunities.

There is a lot of wisdom in this video, thank you Sir.

I'm a programmer still in college, and I watched this video twice. I feel like this advice actually just changed my long term goals.

During pandemic my photography bussines stopped, so i had to work in a company doing boring graphic design/video editing with lazy coleagues who do the barest minimum of work to not get fired. I stopped after 4 month. Right after i stopped, i got a big project from a friend, and i got another projects from his friend. I made more money in 2 months more than i made during 4 months working in that lazy company

i was let go from a company i worked at for 24 years in 2010 because of the ecomonic downturn from the housing crisis. best thing ever happened to me as i started my own business. lots of hard work, lots of hours but the best reward i have from this is the opportunity to help the folks who work for me become independent (break the golden chain mentaility) and the freedom to do my own thing. ya, it comes with some pains (usually in the form of something from the goverment) but its worth it. to help people break those chains and realize that they can indeed stand on their own two feet is increadable.

Thank you for sharing.

free thinkers, we KNOW what ppl would really love! we can all help change the industry, we KNOW how to do this! but we all need to work together to nudge the industry in the right direction

I'm in a moment in my life, where I have been thinking of building my own business, and as of late I have been having a little of cold feet because of the fear of losing my stability, but I know inside of me, That I can make this work, and make it really good, so your video helped me to put those fear aside and continue my work towards independence. Thank you Louis, you are an inspiration, and when I make it, I will go and visit your store and thank you in person.

2:15 Honestly if you ever manage to get any downtime from all the stuff you are responsible for doing you should teach yourself how to program you would be AMAZING at it. Programming uses the exact same logical thinking skills fixing a MacBook requires. You find the equivalent to the main power rail of the code (the main function of the code) and you follow the schematics (function names) until you find the function that is causing the problem. Even if you never go out of your way to write your own software knowing how to write and read code would allow you to make small but meaningful contributions to other peoples projects. Plus it’s just really empowering when you have a computer task you do almost every day being able to make a tiny script that automates the process.

This is very real for me. I am about to look into a job I might actually like MUCH better

My wife and I left our management jobs in NY to buy a house in FL making substantially less. We’re much happier.

Mad respect, Louis.

Remember those days... Following you since.. seen you growing makes me a proud viewer. Well done Luis, well done!

@DanielHeuwinkel

Жыл бұрын

And yet you can't spell his name right, he'll be amazed.

@danni222

Жыл бұрын

kekw

It’s easier to quit when you have nothing to lose. The person who’s making 400k a year may have a family to feed and have everything to lose if he or she quits. Bravery and willingness to take risk is one thing, but prudence is also a virtue. Just my 2 cents.

@spencerdoesreviews

Жыл бұрын

Haha, it’s hilarious seeing this type of comment. The average household income in the US is roughly 55k and you are out here saying you couldn’t survive on less than 400k. Live in reality.

@llchan

Жыл бұрын

@@spencerdoesreviews Imagine yourself living in the San Francisco Bay Area with a stay-home wife and 2 kids, and mortgage to pay. 400K is not a lot.

@spencerdoesreviews

Жыл бұрын

@@llchan the last part of what you said only proves that you don’t live in reality. Let me repeat, Average US salary is 55k and you are seriously saying 400k is not a lot. Everything you have said is a privilege and you are acting like it’s a life requirement. I hope you have a happy life, truly. But this is a laughable statement you have made

"The termites aren't after you" made me laugh. Love your channel and integrity."

Man this is great stuff

Good heart filled video

Your speeches are pretty motivating. Just to share my personal pain - it is totally opposite to yours - I'm about to loose the job I really loved for almost 8 years and enjoyed almost every day of it yet man there were challenges on that way, and this job is (yet) making 3 times more money compared to average salary of the professional area (I'm pressure equipment engineer, working mosly on LNG plants). I'm pretty sure I'll find a job with even higher wages but man I fear it won't be as exciting :(

I've got a friend who (is right at this moment quitting her job) really needs to see this video.

It's too easy to get comfortable and fall into a rut. I did not seriously consider leaving my previous job until the layoff.

The issue is that when you are at a company and earning large numbers... is that your lifestyle expands to fill that. You end up with a mortgage so big you cant take a pay cut without being unable to make bank payments.

I’m a EE and work on worthwhile projects, but I’ve been doing this 30 years now and am mainly tired of working for people. I admire you and enjoy hearing your insights from an entrepreneurs perspective. My struggle is how to go out in my own and what kind of business to go into. Good luck.

@durragas4671

Жыл бұрын

Dude... I'm at the beginning of my EE career and hate the thought of working for the man for the rest of my life. I wish I had the strength to start my own business.

CAN i GET A HALLELUJAH! Louis! your mission, quite inspiring my friend!

I work long hours and I don’t make much, relatively speaking; but I do have the opportunity to move significantly up with far less hours… however I see that the market is in a downturn and the jobs that I can move up to are all ones that are unstable. If I move up now, my risk going bankrupt is close to 80%.

I’m not working on products that I hate, products that I hate, for a company that I hate. In fact, I really quite respect the company work for, and they make it obvious that they respect me. But there is also part of me that wants to break free, build something different from the ground up, and watch it grow.

Not a programmer, not working in any IT job but I'll be parting with my employer shortly depending all on how my first week after coming back from vacation will go. We'll see next week how it goes...

I've never worked at a FAANG company, and usually when I'm presented with those jobs I find their handcuffs a little too limiting, or I have moral objections (Apple, Facebook, Google), so I can't really say what it's like to say "take the plunge" but I do have experience with golden handcuffs. It's important to differentiate from companies who offer cuffs where the promise of value is highly volatile, vs a solidly successful company where the handcuffs mean your retirement is looking a lot less like you're going to be scrummaging around to eat tuna from a can. Also you can gain some incredibly important skills working at a company that offers golden handcuffs or a gilded cage. That certain set of very important skills that puts you in the position for challenges you'll face when you go it alone or when you want to be that fabled maverick and found your own company to do it "right". You can't be a differentiator if you don't know what the status quo is. A lot like when you are in a terrible relationship where they're controlling and abusive. At its outset you weren't looking for anything abusive, but you know what to look for now so you don't land in that kind of a relationship again, and gain a healthy level of self-respect in the process. Develop patience, wisdom, and direction in your career choices. Avoid highly volatile golden handcuffs less you've really done your research and think the company can achieve what they claim to (or leave early, we're all used to changing jobs every few years).

@unnamedchannel1237

Жыл бұрын

Most people won’t read past the third sentence

@conundrum2u

Жыл бұрын

@@unnamedchannel1237 my comment is not for most people. I don't comment for likes or recognition. Only to relate to comments made in the video. Plus I have a feeling that people who really follow Louis want to be a part of a community and understand more than their own perspective.

@SpontaneityJD

Жыл бұрын

Life tip: If you use paragraphs, you may make people feel much less claustrophobic when attempting to read your tome-like comments.

I actually started out at that open source software company building software that expands the freedoms of the individual making frankly good money, but I was undervalued. Eventually my employer realized it is much more profitable in the short-term to not make those systems. I got a lot of raises and am now in those golden handcuffs writing software I am not passionate about or ideologically driven by and dreading life Sunday evenings. Started looking around the end of June, wish me luck!

You and I share something that my best colleauges call "passion for what you do". I ones said to my colleuges and bosses," i shit on what you pay me, give me a job that i'm good at and let be fun"... I rather do honest work in a company and beeing good at it than getting paid double and having to work with cement heads on the upper leader! But I notest something really interessing, big companys seem to attract the kinds of people that care more about the money than the Topic as long as it can be done in an AC cool office or better remote. Thats sad cause it means these people are in control of the also important mega corporations. Engineers often just wanne be just that, but they often notest to fullfill there dreams they also have to be the manager... Thats what i think keeps also alot of people away from the path of becomming a great manager or even building there own business. Thats my story form germany...

@nocandopdx

Жыл бұрын

I was going to make fun of your spelling until I finished reading the last sentence lol, not trying to be a jerk or anything. You do offer good insight

It suck when YOU are RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to be a fresh graduate with my Masters in Electrical & Computer Engineering this coming spring. In my work I really want to help push forward cutting edge computing on an architectural level, with a specific interest in VR and a reluctant interest in machine learning. I really do resonate with a lot of what you're saying in this video, but I really feel like my best chance for being able to work on influential technologies is at these big companies. There are certainly some disruptors in the space like varjo and pimax, but are largely not really US based from what I can tell. Is it really such a bad thing to work at a big company not for the salary, but for the resources?

I am trapped in a company because of the golden handcuffs. I want to be free from it but I am afraid.

@louisrossmannsrandomwhatever

3 ай бұрын

I just got out of mine. It is scary man. If you want feel free to email me at louis@rossmanngroup.com

I left a $120k job at a big tech company in the northeast to move to the Midwest and take a job at $70k 4 years ago. A great move. I love the company I work for now. Cost of living is so much better.

If people are stuck in a job they hate, I suggest that you save as much money as you possibly can, and live below your means. Being frugal helps a lot, networking is also good. I never went to college, I don't regret it either as back then there is no way I would have thought I'd become a day trader, or have worked in the music industry.

There's a thing called "conscience". It stays with you for all of your life. Pursue what your conscience tells you. The harsh reality of life is that dream jobs often become nightmares. Be ready to change. Don't let a job finance those golden shackles that enslave you to that job. If you have lived on a shoestring and get a well paid job, don't let go of the shoestring. Save "excess" income so that you can live off your savings for much longer than it takes to find either alternative employment or to start your own enterprise according to conscience. Being happy with your work doesn't exclude having to work hard and long. Some work happily into their 80's; an asset to others.

Science of Economics has a special chapter usually where it explains satisfaction. As an example it writes the working for your own even for less compared to your price if worked in a company you still feel more satisfied. That is all to explain being happy doesn't always correlate with earning more

It really is sad how many really smart people there are out there that are handcuffed to big american corporations doing nothing significant (maybe just optimising ad algorithms). Google et al pays them so much just to keep them out of the market, not because they need them.

Not FANG but still feel like golden handcuffs when I'd rather be running my own VR hardware business, that I am passionate about, full time. Problem is, I have too many in-laws who need the money for international tuition fees so .... Probably can't quit and do my business full time any time soon unless I catch a lucky break with my startup that makes it more profitable. Still great advice. Thank you!

Not easy to quit a high salary job if you have a family to support. For me it’s about taking care of my wife and kids. Once they’re through college, I can go off the grid.

I work as an IT contractor for an US megacorp, I'm nearshore, I make a very good living if considered the median salary here in my country. Today I feel the golden handcuffs, it is far from what a FAANG engineer earns in US, but it is adapted to my reality, I have nothing against my employer, I think they have been honest with me, but after 14 years in the IT/SWE world I don't know, I'm having yet another crisis, I don't like what I do, don't hate it either, but don't like it, and I don't know where I'm heading to and what should I do, it seems that I'm never at peace with my job and career.

It wouldn't matter if current engineers stop working on those projects or quit FAANGs, you know why? because those companies have tons of new kids willing to do anything to work there.

@pismodude2

Жыл бұрын

So you're saying "stay and implement bad stuff slowly and poorly"

Well Louis, I wish it were that easy: left a FAANG in October 2023 (guess which?) and June 2024 still can't get a job, not a single interview for those 60K jobs. Survivorship bias: you did well, many others that opened a tiny repair shop had to close it.

Everyone has their own situations, but one thing which might make your daily living very bad is if you have set your monthly expenses too high, it creates the pressure to the income side so that you are prone to very bad decisions there also. Instead of doing bad decisions leading to hard work and mediocre or lower money, you could as well put your monthly expenses changing, get rid of expensive liabilities and move to cheaper areas and so on. When you have the expenses low enough, that alone gives you lot of leeway to negotiate about things with the terms YOU like.

I like my FANG job. We work on data platforms and don’t hurt the consumer at all.

I work with very proprietary business software daily and while my colleagues and boss are great, I love what FOSS does. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about stuff being proprietary and overly expensive because it's strictly business and never screws over a consumer. If I did leave my current employer to do something I'm passionate about, I'd also leave these people and I think that's an important point you didn't cover. How do you think about that? Do you think a good mentor is worth sticking around for?

I never cared much about money. I was at a dead end engineering job. Left it and sold some major belongings within a year. I still remember the comment by one of the buyers who arrived early while a previous buyer was still at the home. They said something along the lines of: "looks like you're selling everything". Several years in, I failed numerous attempts at starting something. Last year, I landed a great job, huge pay increase. Then I got laid off this year. Now I'm back in limbo/entrepreneur working for nothing, not sure what tomorrow would bring. Do I regret this path? No. I have grown so much as a person after leaving that dead end job. I've become exponentially wiser. My eyes were opened. My horizon's were broadened. What I want from life has changed. I see the incoherence of the choices made by people around me and I'm disgusted and disappointed. But at the same time, I understand.

Well this is question i've asked in recent day myself. Should i work as programmer for example in Microsoft that pays well on software that i hate because of updates and monopoly or should i work something that i love for less money. I wish to became innovator mostly i like to research and create new stuff, i like engines for some reason also, i like air rifle shooting (sport), i like driving , drifting (well that's sport i guess). As kid i liked to open up electronics and connect them, for some reason i'm obsessed with speakers and audio amps, i liked to modify them a lot i made myself custom one, i like working with wood and i have made few subwoofer enclosures for myself, i also like servicing bicycles and i service my own i guess it mechanics related. What i don't like about programming is its virtual stuff and coding makes me idk feel like i'm wasting time, always something new someone invented not based on real world i only see it as tool for useful stuff, idk it's just feeling that it's wrong. I do like bionics and i'm interested in improving brain computer interface i would also love people to have option to never feel pain again after certain age, why should people feel pain, like knee pain. I wish to invent stuff for auto industry, space industry, audio industry and what ever else come to my mind and is useful in real life, not something like timewasting facebook or idk microsoft that makes me sick with their monopoly and all companies just don't innovate anymore they just invent new ways to drain money like games that are pay to win... I'm trying to find what i really love to work, and i guess i have to explore deeper. I finished high school for electrician and i'm finishing bachelor in IT. Also food is really important to me, cause i haven't been eating well in life and was mostly alone, i really care if job offers food xD

I personally agree with you, Louis, but not everybody has this mindset nor needs it. What you describe will make a specific type of person happy, but not everybody. I'd argue, not even the majority of people.

I thought becoming a teacher and teaching what I love (computing) was the answer to workplace happiness. It sucks!

@em0_tion

Жыл бұрын

What makes you dislike it?

@mrknighttheitguy8434

Жыл бұрын

@@em0_tion The adminstration side of teaching sucks all the joy out of it.

As a software engineer I can guarantee, there's no such thing as doing what you love in software development. Even as an independent contractor like me, you're still working on other people's stuff. The only way to truly break as a software engineer, is to come up with a big prototype for something revolutionary and get an angel investment so you can go get more money from venture capital. There's practically no other way. There is the occasional lucky lunch where you create a simple phone app that takes off, but it practically never happens, hence why you hear about them.

I doubt that developers quitting "morally wrong" position would be possible or be a gain for anyone. The most importat reason why they might not quit is because their lifestyle expanded to their income so they might have credits to pay for houses/cars that cannot be done with a much lower paying job. Also, people getting paid 200k-400k are very experienced and I doubt they are in their 20s, most likely 30-40, married and with kids and getting a half or a quarter of the income they are getting now might ruin the future of them and their kids, especially in the US where college seems unaffordable by the masses. Even if the ones working now at the "morally wrong" positions would be ok with the lower paycheck or find a "morally right" alternative with comparable pay, the big companies will find replacements since there are people that do not care about this. Worst case, they might need to increase the pay for those jobs to find talent, but in the end, that "morally wrong" SW/HW will still be done.

Principles over Properties

Shiiiit. I'm starting at a FAANG company tomorrow and you drop this? 😆

1:20 maybe I'm just a sucky software engineer but good luck finding a job with a "week or two". It's probably more like 3-6 months to find a worthy replacement job.

@thedopplereffect00

Жыл бұрын

And going through B.S. code riddles

@androiduberalles

Жыл бұрын

@@thedopplereffect00 that's the worst effing part I hate leetcode. I could spend all that time learning useful coding instead of packing bs into my head.

Man I at least got out of the corporate company environment. Might still be a low wage (even lower than my last job). But now I'm serving products I care about and not being shit on by my bosses. So I enjoy my job and can work 60+ hours a week, not be completely drained, and make more money on top of it all. Who know's if I'm good at selling stuff I'll probably move up. Might be a "head shop" but it's products I know about. I can actually provide something to society. Hell today I had a mean customer come in, yet again with her 17 year old daughter, she was told many times before hand that we can be fined in the triple digits for it. My co worker tried saying something and she got shut down by her yelling "shut up, I know already, and I don't care". I stopped cashing her out, handed her money back to her, and told her I was refusing service. I wont let people talk to my friends or coworkers that way. But even after that I'm still happy about my choice to switch here.

Always remember that often it is YOUR work which is the product what makes the money, then you can start calculating is your share of your own work resulted profit good enough, or are the dividends and perks and whatnot given by your employer to their shareholders too much. Even the corporation HQ and it's location are costs, which are paid from your work. Those things are not in your negotiation power, unless you are ready to quit and move on. Many corporations should be happy just by having chance to keep their business competitive in the market, with minimal dividends if any, because also the market share and credibility as an employer and corporation making something useful, is worth money, the trust from people has to be earned and it can't happen in short time. Many big corporations have prioritized their business future before dividends, because they believed in what they were doing.

How many people would sell themselves out for literally 2-4x the income? That’s the corollary you’re competing with here. For many, it’s not about living high so much as accelerating retirement by DECADES. Very few have what it takes to create a product, build a business, or launch a 1M subscriber channel, so it’s unlikely they’ll achieve that income another way. As much as I like your message (and did exactly this for the past 2 years), replacing that level of income is a long road, even as a seasoned entrepreneur.

But the golden handcuffs fit so nice :(

What if I work on software I am ambivalent towards? Large spaghetti code products. Financial middleware stuff. I don't hate it but don't love it.

@memoid7777

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And if I could work on something meaningful I'd pick AI or bioengineering stuff. But I'm not sure I really have much of a mark to make there. Maybe I'm being defeatist

@carriebartkowiak

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@@memoid7777 1. What kind of a mark are you going to make being coder #2,569 that worked on the maintenance of this bloated spaghetti monster? 2. You can't see what kind of mark you might make there because you're not IN it, seeing what they're doing, what they're missing, which directions they're going and which ones they haven't thought of yet. You could get involved in that field and come up with a better way to do something, or an innovative way to use something they're building, inside of a week. 3. And even if you don't "make a mark", you'll be doing something creative and innovative that pushes technology and humanity forward that you're actually interested in doing.

Phone frozen…. Welcome to defcon 🥳

But also you don’t need to leave your job, you can start a side hustle and if it starts taking off go do it..

People are greedy as fuck I'm from eastern europe and I make way less than 10k a year and I'm still happy I live green eco lifestyle and support right to repair to death!

There are a lot of problems driving this, but like others have already said, lifestyle downgrades aren't easy or an option in some cases. Something else I'd throw in is a lot of people are in this field just for the money and really don't enjoy technology in any way, shape, or form. The career is just the fastest/easiest path to money they could find and are very unlikely to give it up.

@charliegreen4128

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It's also a matter of being the kind of person that can take that kind of a risk and expect to be ok. The issue with a lot of this stuff is it's really hard so it already took everything to get here. And it's's not easy to see what scales and how. Upwards or downwards. Lewis might in time be the guy with 10 stores. On day 1, that's just not the situation. It's going from zero customers to even 1. It's preparing to nearly starve when this doesn't work. In some ways it looks easier from what he does because it's like being a plumber: anywhere you go there will be a broken laptop. But that's not easy either. Likewise, you start working for Apple, what do you really know of any value? Where can you take it? What's the point? The truth is that a lot of the top jobs only seem to make sense in the context of the corporations they originate in. Lots of people's skills only appear to make sense in the context of the company they work for. It's hard to jump when the apparent choice is either magic up a new Apple, have a truly original idea or find some other way to make a living. It only makes sense in the context of engineers years into their careers and stable enough to not burn out trying. Because that's the point where people have what they need to make moves.

@vtvincent4893

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@@charliegreen4128 Very true, a particularly specialized skillset in a specific technology can be a huge limiting factor. The mindset is also huge, there are many people who just see a job/career as a means to an end and don't have any desire for it to be anything else. Not everyone has the level of drive, determination, and risk taking that people like Louis have. Many are just completely unattached to all of this.

The streams always seem to get deleted just as I am catching up

You kind of sound like Dark Knight joker in this video lol

The only 'golden handcuffs' I have are things that will make a net ROI more than zero given enough time. Even then, it's unpleasant.

the problem with golden handcuffs is that too many people like to be in them

A 1997 Honda Civic is something you can build into something 😉

I left my job as a programmer at a company for this reason and decided to basically never move out of my parents house, to become a freelance programmer (and hopefully repair youtuber too) Jokes aside I will eventually move out 😊

The biggest problem is they capabilities to create but not market the product, not risk management, they love their job stability and security. Taking risk to earn more yeah they don't like it. Just try build your own company's and hire this capable engineer or it and ask them profit share or salary? So far 100% I meet want the salary.

If your single and renting or living with your parents you can leave your job for a smaller salary, but wife, kids, and a mortgage.. yeah.. much easier said than done with how expensive raising a kid alone is, and majority of people don’t live below there means to begin with. but everyone not in this position.. 100%

Average household income in the US was still 54k in 2022 and people are really acting like they can barely survive on less than like 400k. Get out of your own head and live in reality.

Where is the conference video at? You were speaking?

@carriebartkowiak

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It hasn't been posted yet. As soon as we can find a copy, there will be a link in the RossmanTV and Announcements channel in The Rossmann Group discord.

I do got what you're saying but you have to remember large corporations always win in the end. A lot of companies that do end up doing good end up selling out. Corporations are always going to keep their monopolies by buying out smaller companies. Even you said you'd sell out for a certain price.

@GetDuhleted

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did u even watch the video

@zariaeda007

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@@GetDuhleted Yes. Louis wasn't just talking about leaving a job to do something you enjoy. He was also talking about doing better and not working for someone that rips off customers or a company that dictates how customers use their products. My comment was saying that companies that start out ethically usually end up selling out long term. Usually to much bigger companies. So his point of doing better for the world is hard to do when people usually sell out in the end.

I hope ur talking about Mike's Tech shop, they suck

Take you a nice little, short vacation Louis, slow down for a week or so if you can.

That's really surprising Louis is not a millionaire yet. New York City really took what chance he had of that unfortunately.

I'm all about golden parachutes and not golden handcuffs.

Left well paid corpo. I should have done it much earlier. I earn the same but I have much more time + I don`t have to listen to corpo BS

Yeah but they probably have big car payments big house payments and may not be able to get away from that paycheck

Ugh stream deleted again while I was 30 minutes behind!

i don’t hate my company but i really hate my commute god

Think of just the money you'd save not having to compensate for depression with retail therapy. Might not need that Ferrari if you don't hate yourself.

The big difference is that w/ $300k you can achieve financial independence within 10 years. With $90k, not so much. So would you rather keep working for another few years until you can do whatever you want, or work somewhere some guy on KZread thinks is more ethical, but now you're trapped being controlled by other people for 30 years? The other route is to become an entrepreneur, and maybe that is the right move, but the boring evil job is a guarantee of freedom. Starting a business has no guarantee, and some people just don't want the stress and pressure.

@louisrossmannsrandomwhatever

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The nope you opened with is an answer to "did I watch this video before commenting?" When you take the other path you're not controlled, you're escaping control. Further; if you're in the mindset that you will do the same thing for 30 years at the same salary for the same people, not only did you not listen to a word I said in the video, you're not in the pool of talent I'm referring to. What highly talented and skilled engineer has zero progress in 30 years? You're welcome to make that choice but you also are welcome to carry the shame that comes with knowing you're making the world a shittier place and are doing nothing about it. It isn't about what I think or anyone else on KZread thinks. The people in these positions will say it themselves. They realize that their job is making the world worse. They don't need me to tell them. People walk up to me at DEFCON and HOPE and when I ask what they do they literally start the conversation with "I work for a shitbag" before I say anything. These aren't people with a gas station attendant level of skill. These are insanely talented people with far more brain and potential than I. Starting over isn't a death sentence to making 60 or 90k a year forever. It's a minor speed bump on the road to a far better future.

@pusico6555

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I believe in karma, you can't get away with doing bad shit to people expecting "freedom" or "happiness" i. The end LMAO.

@pusico6555

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@@Harrythehun Really? I don't think so. Do you know for sure they didn't have a PTSD or remorse for what they've done. Lol

@cornellouis

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@@louisrossmannsrandomwhatever I removed the nope b/c I too often come off as a bit abrupt and rude, and that wasn't my intent.

@dominick358

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Completely agree Louis, I’ve left jobs I didn’t agree with and just truly hated what I was doing. May have always not been the best financial decisions but honestly now I get to do what I love and make six figure way more than I would have ever imagined working in restaurants.

No SE would have to take a better job at 60 or 80k. 100k maybe. Make the moves before you have kids. Children will totally change your mindset and subsequently the calculus.

I believe the existance of a product will make it a possible choice in the market along with other products. some products can be useful or misused. for example your channel is on a FAANG website and you found a good use for youtube, others are using it non beneficially for wasting time. I think the customer has the autonomy to choose wither or not they want to use a product and how. we shouldn't blame the devs for building stuff. if you feel that the supplier is giving you a bad service or exploiting you in any way, you can sue them or choose not to engage with them, expose them..etc, and they will go out of business. if a business is a net negative or not useful it will go out because it will reach a point of non sustainability. just my observation; you have been in business far longer than me and you might be seeing something I'm not seeing.