Well... guess i won't be moving on to duelist of roses after the forbidden memories challenge runs😅 Can't top a zero monster run 🎉 good job!

@RobinandZephyr

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, man! Saw your FM stuff; half the reason I tackled this at all! 👍👍 Could always forgo the use of spells and traps. “Pyro monsters” ONLY, no exceptions. If you could even fill a deck with that… LMAO

@fryhtan6674

3 ай бұрын

You're not getting out of it that easily. XD

@dalebumpaous1502

Ай бұрын

Seems to me like having to try to win with specific monsters would be harder than trying to win through burn in this game

@Emperorwolf999

Күн бұрын

nooooo please do DOTR

If i remember correctly, in the White Rose path Seto actually does send you back, whereas Henry "Yugi" Tudor's ending doesn’t say this and its implied he wipes you from the history books

@AnakhaSilver

3 ай бұрын

And likely dumps you somewhere to just Exist.

@appelofdoom8211

2 ай бұрын

Honestly going with Seto rosenkreuz just makes sense from a story perspective as he actually gives you a reason to join him besides "i summoned you from your cozy life to fight in my war, you should work with me." Anyway fuck yugi Tudor

Christan "Seto" Rosekreuz backstory in a nutshell: "screw the rules, I am the reincarnation of Lazarus"

That moment when you realize your clever idea for a challenge run is secretly the best strategy.

"If Tea draws into tenderness too soon you will lose the duel". A sentence no yu gi oh player has ever heard before.

@zigazav1

3 ай бұрын

When it matters for her to step up and duel, she's won, in the few times in the anime that happened. Makes sense why she'd be tough in this challenge

@Quandry1

3 ай бұрын

@@zigazav1 If I remember right doesn't she actually have the highest win rate of any of the duelists despite never really dueling in the manga or anime?

@icefiredragon94

3 ай бұрын

​@@Quandry1 Yep, won all the casual matches before class against her friends, mai surrendered, and she beat crump for a staggering 100% win rate lmao

@Quandry1

3 ай бұрын

@@icefiredragon94 that's what I thought... and had like 4 or 5 duels shown that she all won from what I remember.. but it's been a long time.

the 'half food' part is probably meant for 'surf n' turf, a common food term considering the map had plains and water for that half of the map.

@RobinandZephyr

4 ай бұрын

Y'know what, let's go with that

The whole thing Christian Rosenkruz just sounds par for the course with Kaiba. The man did find a way to physically travel to the afterlife just to duel Atem for a rematch.

@MainManJaggi

3 ай бұрын

He's the one Yugioh character I would legitimately believe.

The sheer batshit insanity of the Christian Rosenkreuz loredump had me in tears oh my lord

@Not_Alanius

3 ай бұрын

And to think he predicted the insanity...

40:40 Ishizu was protecting a spot on the board, as many are programmed to. Any leader that tends to move to a particular spot (or stays on their opening spot) is actually often defending a hidden card that you can only unlock by entering the space where it is with your Deck Leader. Ishizu stormed the center and then held that spot because there's a hidden card on the exact center square. Some players never find this out, because whether or not you can find hidden cards on the board is actually dependent on what leader you have and what Rank it is. Pegasus, for example, sits on his starting space no matter what because on his starting space, there's a hidden card. Jasper has a hidden card in his little Exodia Fort. Both Card Guardians have a hidden card on the center square.

@game84cube

3 ай бұрын

I'm assuming when they get there, it's like their own Destiny Draw and they collect the card for their next play?

@thescribe509

3 ай бұрын

@@game84cube No, it's added to your collection and can be played with. It's the only source of a few rare cards and basically all the immortal type cards. nothing happens if the opposing deck leader goes there

Seto bricking 4 turns in a row? Why, totally appropriate for his favorite archtype the brick-eyes white dragons. The game was just ahead of its time.

@Randerson2409

4 ай бұрын

This statement is both 100% true, and will 100% not make me stop playing it in Master Duel, because I have a high suffering tolerance and a fondness for nostalgia lol

@Praetarius

4 ай бұрын

@@Randerson2409 hey, as long as you're having fun with it, keep at it!

@zigazav1

3 ай бұрын

@@Randerson2409 At least Blue Eyes White Dragon by now, has several ways to get it out easier than readying 2 tributes and actually getting the chance to sacrifice them

@Randerson2409

3 ай бұрын

@@zigazav1 This is also true, but it's still quite prone to bricking somewhat frequently. Worth it, though lol

Good to see Tea godner is living up to her undefeated streak in the anime by being a potentially unwinnable fight Also I would say someone should save Heat from the garbage but if getting used in dds2 isn't enough to do that nothing is.

@funbro99

4 ай бұрын

The fact she unironically hasnt lost a single time is..unnerving.

@zigazav1

3 ай бұрын

Partially why she's undefeated in the anime, is because of how few duels she actually participated in the anime. I only remember one time she dueled in the Duelist Kingdom arc of the anime, and that time she was dueling for Yugi, who was feeling very sad over something very important, and wasn't in the emotional state to duel. Considering the fact she's been Yugi's friend far longer than any of Yugi's other friends has, it makes sense she'd step in to duel for Yugi. Anyone who's read the early volumes of the manga knows that who the English dub of the anime calls Joey, was not Yugi's friend from the start. Infact, he was one of Yugi's bullies who picked on him, until Yugi defended him against a bully who was targeting "Joey", and got beat up for doing so. The Duelist Kingdom arc I think even had a flashback sequence in it showing that scene. As I remember hearing it dubbed in English

@appelofdoom8211

3 ай бұрын

@@zigazav1 she also beat Joey several times offscreen in like the first or second episode before he actually learned the rules and there was that filler arc. It's funnier to think off tea as this sleeping giant of dueling

@Kylesico912x

3 ай бұрын

All honesty, she's really just held back by her deck. She'd probably be competent if she had a better one.

@withxoutxlife

Сағат бұрын

@@Kylesico912x You say that, but she absolutely trounced me a few times in a row because I was new to the playstyle and had no real idea what cards were in my deck yet, nor how to synergize them. She also benefitted a lot from my less aggressive playstyle, and managed to power up all of her monsters by quite a lot either via effects or buffs. She eventually ran me down with several monsters with nearly 4k attack, and as it was my first ever duel of the game and I only had the starting deck, I was extremely discouraged by the starting difficulty of the game lol. My first victory against her was due to a successful zerg rush, where I tried to beat her down before she could do her buffing spree. Luckily Tristan's massive dropoff in difficulty gave me the reassurance I needed that I could beat this game. 😅

Clicking the video expecting a challenge run, left with a new understanding of history and Christianity

I love how this run turned from challenge run to joke run the moment you realized that the AI just broke due to your obscene strategy.

@IzraelGraves

4 ай бұрын

The AI breaks from almost anything. If you pass turn and do nothing, the AI will too. It'll literally let you deck it out (turn out, rather, not deck out)

@Paddydukes89

4 ай бұрын

​@IzraelGraves that's poetic

@emred4653

3 ай бұрын

İts beautiful

@gabrieldevoogel6225

3 ай бұрын

@@IzraelGravesthat’s true, my personal way of challenge runs is using weaker card types like plant or thunder or aqua or insect so it’s harder without breaking AI

36:03 panik’s AI is super funky. Of all the duelists, he’s probably the one with the most erratic playstyle.

@EJmoray

4 ай бұрын

I'd say pain in the ass because he always spams traps at me.

The AI lobotomizing itself around your bullshit deck is so fucking funny. I love old games that just brick when you do stupid shit like this

@RancorousSea

4 ай бұрын

makes up for the AI bricking my child brain with Shadi and Pegasus' field effects

Let me say that this is one of my favorite Yu-gi-oh games of all time. Me and my brother would play it so much that it was fun even to lose. He was really good at the game and still plays it even now. To see the ENTIRETY of the game be bricked by only Magic and Traps is something I never thought to see. By far this video was an enjoyment the whole way through!

You know, it makes sense that Seto would brick this hard, he is a blue eyes player after all

I appreciate Heat STILL being in the trash

@RenKium

4 ай бұрын

It’s his home now, he’s making it comfy

@appelofdoom8211

2 ай бұрын

Im sure Rolands keeping him company down there

@Emperorwolf999

2 күн бұрын

*muffled* "Your ass is mine!"

@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32

Күн бұрын

He stood up mettatron... and then crashed

The Christian Lore is something that Seto would completely write to make him seem powerful. He’s literally Gaslighting us

@MainManJaggi

3 ай бұрын

Gaslighting? Seto Kaiba built a machine that allowed him to visit the actual afterlife in full duel gear just to settle a grudge with Atem. He's the one Yugioh character I'd BELIEVE.

@sebia1238

3 ай бұрын

​@@MainManJaggi time machine he created a time machine

@MainManJaggi

3 ай бұрын

@@sebia1238 False.

@sebia1238

3 ай бұрын

@@MainManJaggi got any proof

@MainManJaggi

3 ай бұрын

@sebia1238 Sure. Two things. Atem passed on to the afterlife following the Ceremonial Duel against Yugi. Secondly, Atem instantly recognized Kaiba. If Kaiba had gone to the past, the only version of Atem he could have possibly visited at any point in time would have been one that didn't recognize him. It could not have been the past. It must have been the afterlife.

This game is held together by string and duck tape, but not good duck tape. It's the awful off-brand duck tape you get from the crafts store when you're desperate. It's one of my favorite games ever, I'm glad someone else experienced just a small portion of its bugfuckery.

The Seto lore was fucking wild lmao

I don't know if people actually know what the immortal creatures are so I'll just briefly explain: The immortal creatures are special effect monsters. Firstly, they're unaffected by the Crush terrain and actually gain a field bonus from it. Secondly, they create Crush terrain when attacking, being attacked, and being destroyed. If you use them offensively, you can wipe out enemies on attack declaration. If you use them defensively, you can stall enemies that don't have a way to overcome large amounts of Crush tiles. As a drawback, they are some of the most expensive cards in the game. On the flip side, none of the story duelists use them, so you only have to worry about Crush terrain on maps that already have it.

@game84cube

3 ай бұрын

Any examples?

@SSBBPOKEFAN

2 ай бұрын

Of Immortal monsters? Sure. Shapesnatch.

I find it funny that if you think about it, huelist of the roses is at least the inspiration for Rush Duel's draw phase mechanic, lol

@zigazav1

3 ай бұрын

you're probably right, nice catch!

3:52 when I first played this game, I sided with Red Rose and got my ass handed to me repeatedly by Weevil and his insect deck

@gigaguy200

4 ай бұрын

Same for me too. If you didn’t get a deck with a field spell that worked against either Weevil or Rex, they tended to steamroll you. White rose gives you less options but it is definitely easier in comparison.

@dynastygirl2912

4 ай бұрын

Pick the Thunder Nyan Nyan deck, you have everything you need to steamroll the game

@shadexvii3975

4 ай бұрын

@@dynastygirl2912 nowadays I already have beaten both routes

@GamingPandaCat

Ай бұрын

I actually beat weevil multiple times to get an insect deck of my own, ultimate great moth and javelin beetle are really good boss monsters that might actually make the red rose path winnable on a first try if you don't got the insider knowledge of the thunder chad dragon

@shadexvii3975

Ай бұрын

@@GamingPandaCat I mean, yeah, but you gotta actually beat him

Fun fact, Kaiba can actualy see's your cards, he and the final bosses of the two campains are the only ones how can do this in this game, thats why they AI messes up.

@zaphod77

3 ай бұрын

Pegasus totally can do so as well.

This might be one of the funniest videos I’ve ever watched

Yugi field works in his favor in a very strange way, in this game ritual materials have their attack counted after terrain boosts so if a card steps on a favorable terrain and meets the ritual requirement he can use it as a sacrifice. If my memory serves me right, he has the black luster soldier ritual and needs two monsters with exactly 1500 attack as a sacrifice, so he uses the terrain to weaken or strengthen the monsters so that they have exactly 1500 attack.

“I’m doing a challenge run!” *pulls out gravity bind* “… But not for me”

SKATQ70F is the assword for Just Desserts

@RobinandZephyr

4 ай бұрын

Hey, you get a password for beating the game, right?

@Vaerlayn

2 ай бұрын

"assword" hahahaha. Take my upvote.

It's crazy how they basically combined the Paradox Brothers duel and Dungeon Dice Monsters together to create this monstrosity that barely explains its own game mechanics.

@zigazav1

3 ай бұрын

Ah, retro games, where the devs put little or no effort in making sure the player gets stuck or lost

@Aquilenne

3 ай бұрын

The instruction booklet does a pretty good job

The fact that Duelist of Rose Seto is the nicest version of Seto in the whole franchise is kinda funny to me

I like to imagine in-universe everyone is mystified because up until that point nobody in the history of humanity has ever tried to play Duel Monsters with a ridiculous self imposed challenge as this and thought it was ludicrous. Thus as a result nobody is prepared when Dick comes in doing that very strategy, having no idea how to deal with someone with such an unorthodox strategy when they saw the practicality of it.

You aren’t off about seto being able to see ur cards. I know for sure Pegasus can, and I think generally MFL can also read your cards. That’s probably why the AI went crazy

I am not surprised at all that you can beat DotR without monsters. The AI is about as smart as the AI from Gen 1 Pokemon. Not to mention that speed runs for the game exploit how stupid it is. Awesome video

I love when people play challenge runs only to find a new optimal strategy to beat the game with.

55:33 there’s actually a 22nd duel, iirc. If you have forbidden memories data, you face duel master K, but with a deck that is using stuff from that game. Or something like that

@Not_Alanius

3 ай бұрын

Damn really?

@shadexvii3975

3 ай бұрын

@@Not_Alanius I believe so. I haven’t tested it yet

@Not_Alanius

3 ай бұрын

Now you've got me wondering if there's YT footage of this scenario.

I can't believe I noticed this only now but there's technically an error in the video. 0:34 The grid is 7x7, not 9x9. Still, I appreciate the video for teaching me more about this game's AI and how it can be lobotomised.

When I played the game as a kid, Gamefaqs only had 3 or so passwords on it. I don't know why, but no one actually dug for them back then. But what it did have broke the game. Aqua Dragon and Mirror Wall. Aqua Dragon has the effect to change any terrain it attacks into or is attacked on (except labyrinth) into Umi. As the game can't see the field power bonus it'll give itself until the attack is made, everyone with over 2250 attack will just kill themselves on it. For anything with over 2750, that's where Mirror Wall comes in. Mirror Wall is one of the few continuous traps in the game. Continuous traps can't move while face-up, but as long as they're protected, they won't be killed. Mirror Wall in DotR is the same as the anime, halving the attack of all enemies on attack declaration without any costs. And just like Aqua Dragon's terrain effect, the game doesn't see this. The only problem with this strategy? THEY FRICKEN EXPENSIVE TO RUN! The only cards that cost more than Mirror Wall are the immortal cards.

@Robin93k

4 ай бұрын

That's why you use a ton of cheap monsters that can be fused into Kairyu Shin and Aqua Dragon.

This game was peak childhood for me man. Seeing you beat it with no monsters was absolute goat. 10/10

Fucking BASED for the Library of Ruina music

Oh, you think this strategy bricks the AI? Try this. Get into a position where you have higher life points than them. Then just do nothing. Every turn. Just keep ending your turn. If my childhood memory serves correctly, this will brick the AI into also thinking it should do nothing. And if you keep doing this, when the turn counter runs out, and you have higher life points, you will win.

You traumatized them. You monster! Good job 👍

Just stumbled upon the channel, I really appreciated the editing on the voice acted cutscene segments!

Hmmm I thought there was one final end game opponent after beating both campaigns, I guess that’s what happens to memories when you haven’t played them in years

@Not_Alanius

3 ай бұрын

Let's just call these Memories Forbidden.

@GamingPandaCat

Ай бұрын

there is another opponent in the custom other than master K but I don't remember how to bring them out exactly

Shoutouts to Fake Trap!

This has been floating around my recommended for awhile now. Glad I finally decided to watch it. Great vid

LET' EFFIN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I am so glad to see my favorite youtuber playing my favorite yu gi oh game❤❤

41:18 I mean…that’s Ishizu normal play. The AI for this game is not often bright

Woah! Didn't expect this! Should be fun. Lol, I remember really struggling with this game.

Ok! Just finished watching. Great vid :D

when the supposed villain, is more of a good guy than the supposed good guy

@RobinandZephyr

Ай бұрын

Roses Seto is one of my favorite iterations of the character

I remember loving using the fusion combinations for Aqua Dragon to easy mode this game! I made the actual card my deck leader but implemented Umi, other monster cards that made sea terrain, and those fusions to water log every match! Boy that was some fun. Thanks for bringing back these memories for me with this video challenge!

Fantastic video! Love the explanations and strategy breakdown

Well done on the video. Loved the script and voice over. Solid run!

Ishizu uses a Water deck in this game and FM, a light deck in EDS, a Female deck in DDS.... And her TCG/OCG is Earth Fairies Damn girl, for real you can't make up your mind huh

Winning yugioh by checkmate is a sentence I never thought I'd hear 😂 amazing

54:01 his one weakness: dying

I wonder if the weird AI is the game trying to rubber band for you. Like it can see your cards, knows you don't have any monsters on your board or hand, and starts stalling to give you a chance to draw something

@RobinandZephyr

4 ай бұрын

That was my theory; the game thinks we have no board and no hand, so it stalls for us to “get better cards,” not realizing the cards we’re getting are just that

I love your editing and humour! I just subbed.

@RobinandZephyr

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it!

Love some Duelist of Roses challenge runs. Fun video!

I love the fact that you mind broke the AI by doing something the developers never expected. That is truly the best representation of what it means to be a gamer.

Man the voice acting was top notch from seto and the others!

That whole bit about Rosenkreuz definitely sounds like a Seto idea lmfao

"Not playing monsters makes everyone else absolute morons" They're just trying to play on the level of the guy who decided to not use monsters :)

Pegasus ai won't ever leave toon terrain. He's like 75% trap cards as well. So he weakens your monsters as low as possible and kills you that way. But he the only ai I seem to understand minus the whole crab walk thing

This...this is cinema But can you win with only skull servants?

What the absolute heck? Amazing! I played this years ago.

I'm so glad you could get Liquid Snake himself to voice Christian Seto Rosenkaiba. Really adds to the experience!

Not the Slim Shadi! Konami really took no prisoners back then, huh?

44:47 So in other words, it's perfect role casting. He's Seto Kaiba before Seto Kaiba

@game84cube

3 ай бұрын

Well, you know what they say: If at first you don't succeed, then you're probably not Seto Freakin' Kaiba!

I love that the music used when fighting PaniK was Library of Ruina's Second Warning

But what about Deck Masters S, T*, and I? Also feels like the AI is built around winning through monster-v-monster combat primarily, and direct attacks only as a bonus... which makes sense in normal play, since aggressively chasing after direct attacks would leave them open to your own monsters... Remember, aspiring game devs! You gotta balance the game not just for people playing the game as intended... but also for people playing the game by insanity Edit - T, not K, lol

This has become somewhat of a weird comfort video to come back to weekly, as I always laugh of both the jokes, as well as the insane Yugioh Fanfic of British History.

@RobinandZephyr

3 ай бұрын

That actually means a lot in a weird way to hear. :) LOL

This strategy actually made the game go on easy mode. You are a mad genius sir.

Great video. Was recommended to me by the king of games of youtube... the algorithm

44:23 start of the seto rant of insanity.

the editting and Voice acting is unparalleled

As someone who's never played Duelist of the Roses, or even watched a playthrough of it, I genuinely thought the voice acting at 2:17 was real, and was actually impressed by it until the name "Dick Lancer" came up.

@RobinandZephyr

3 ай бұрын

This is precisely what I am going for 100% of the time

Well we can't have a middle eastern man appear in the War of the Roses, the asian people are fine though. Afterall we all know about the trade route between Japan and England opened up by Sir Francis Baconator.

It took me until "I shall tell the tale of the Duelist without a single Monster in his deck." to realize this wasn't the actual script and voice acting of the game.... so 30:00 minutes in.

@RobinandZephyr

2 ай бұрын

I am flattered to hear that :)

This kind of reminds me of the way the AI behaves in Civilization 6 "No City" runs, where they can't obtain grievances against you if you don't hold any land. 😅

I played this game a lot back in the day. I made three different decks, learned about the hidden cards on certain spaces on each board and which monsters got leader abilities. I never knew about the reincarnation feature. I just assumed it was text that was always flashing on the deck builder screen.

Heat still being in the trashcan never fails to crack me up.

This is still one of my favorite games ever

Great use of "God's Anger" for the big reveal at the 36:30 mark. _(I had to do some digging to find the track name though, since it wasn't listed in the description.)_

@RobinandZephyr

3 ай бұрын

The singular song I forgot to put on the list; thank you. Lol

GG, loved seeing duelists of the roses getting the spotlight. I wonder if it's possible to win with only monsters...? lol

Nice one dude! I bought this after playing stairway to destined duel, I never even got past Tea 😮‍💨😂😂😂

I can't believe La Cucaracha was the final boss. What an unexpected finale!

BRUH i love this game, glad to see a challenge run on it i hear that LoR music library of ruina challenge runs when

But what does pot of greed do?

3:98 sorry seeing Simon get casually murdered made be burst out laughing for some reason.

The random Kuriboh at the very end killed me. XD

44:21 ...Yep him being Seto's ancestor makes too much sense.

It's funny to think in modern England Yorkshire and Lancashire are two counties our government tries to pretend doesn't exist but here they are in this game being represented as, well, what they were five centuries ago. As somebody who's lived in one or the other most of his life it's really cool. The deep dive into Rosenkreuz (I think it's pronounced ro-zen-kroyts) was a good laugh too. Speaking of, try and hit me up if you ever do another challenge with this game. While I'm fairly sure Rosenkreuz is a German name, he really needs a more Northern accent if he's gonna be batting for Yorkshire :D

It's silly that Yugi's side is supposedly losing, but he's got a strong hold in Britain, *and* he has control of the seas to the point you need to rely on a merc to get to mainland Europe. A merc that's on Yugi's side, at that. Either Simon's lying, or Yugi is suicidally incompetent. Also, the second Manawhatever duel had a very easy to break board due to one thing: the crush zone in the center. He does *not* know how to handle it, and he can't touch you when you're at least two spaces deep. Quite frankly, he's an easy duel once you remember that the terrain exists.

This is the kind of gimmick I would try. What an interesting video. Side Note: If you ever plan on playing Reshef of Destruction, I suggest playing with a code that maxes out Duelist Level. You still need to grind up Deck Capacity, but it allows you to theoretically put any card in if you have the capacity for it.

Would love to see a video of someone analyzing this game's AI someday.

I'm not gonna lie, I was like half paying attention through like 90% of this video but the Christian Rosenkreuz rant had my FULL attention

Not only can you complete the game, it actually becomes EASIER without monsters

48:10 - Even in the 15th century, Blue-Eyes players are doomed to brick.