I really respect Iclal - unlike some youtube polyglots she doesn't shy away from the fact that language learning is hard work and commitment (she said she cried and felt sick during the process of learning Russian) and many of her videos are genuinely useful guides on how to set up study plans rather than 'surprising locals' in a few words. She is a true scholar!

As a person who has been learning Russian for years and living in a Russian-speaking country, I can say that İclal is a great example for Russian language learners. She doesn't complain about how difficult Russian is. I admire her approach to language learning. And I can say I should study more for having better Russian.

@languageseureka

8 ай бұрын

I totally agree. I was mesmerised by her pronunciation

@user-jt5mt3io2p

8 ай бұрын

Even for someone who has spent years learning the language, in a Russian-speaking country....still the mastery of it is daunting! I figured it's because, even though it falls under the same Indo-European lang. family, they are literally a world apart from the Germanic English et al,and the Romance languages. Keeping a clear mind while studying it and persistence are what's necessary.

@FrozenMermaid666

3 ай бұрын

I don’t know Russian, I only know a few words and phrases that I picked up without even trying to learn them, but the Russian alphabet is very hard to read, even though I know almost all the letters of the Cyrillic alphabet, I cannot process them instantly, and it’s just so hard to get used to it, so I have to think about each letter for a few seconds - I never learn languages with other alphabets, except for Norse and Gothic which used to be written in Runes and the Gothic alphabet, but now they are written with normal Latin letters, plus the Runes and the Gothic alphabet are easier to read, especially the Gothic alphabet, because most Gothic letters look like the uppercase Latin letters, and I am learning a lot of Icelandic / Norse / Dutch / Norwegian / Gothic etc and all other Germanic languages and the 6 modern Celtic languages and Slovene and Galician / Latin / Gallo etc and Hungarian and many other languages!

@FrozenMermaid666

3 ай бұрын

I highly recommend learning the prettiest languages ever Icelandic / Norse / Dutch / English / Norwegian / Gothic / Faroese / Danish 2gether, as they are way too pretty not to know, and also Welsh / Breton / Cornish etc, which are also elvish and magical and cool like the Germanic languages, and any other languages from my list of languages I want to learn and improve!

@FrozenMermaid666

3 ай бұрын

By the way, my current levels are... - upper intermediate level in Old Norse / Icelandic / German - writer level in English + native speaker level in Spanish - upper advanced level in Dutch + advanced level in Norwegian - intermediate level in Swedish / Portuguese / French / Italian / Welsh - beginner level in Breton / Hungarian / Gothic / Latin / Faroese / Galician / Danish / Slovene - total beginner in Cornish / Manx / Irish / Scottish Gaelic / Aranese / Elfdalian / Gallo / Limburgish / Occitan / Luxembourgish / Catalan / Urkers / Hunsrik / East Norse / Ruhrpöttisch / Alemannic / Ripuarian / Swiss German / Pälzische Deutsch / Austrian German / Waddisch / Palatine German / Westföälsk Sassisk / Austro-Bavarian / PlatDeitsch / Greenlandic Norse / Friulian / Pretarolo / Sardinian / Neapolitan / Sicilian / Venetian / Esperanto / Walloon / Ladin / Guernsey / Norn / Burgundian / Sognamål / West Frisian / North Frisian / East Frisian / Yiddish / Afrikaans / Finnish / Latvian / Estonian etc (and the other languages based on Dutch / German / Norwegian / Italian / French that are referred to as ‘dialects’ but are usually a different language with different spelling etc) (I highly recommend learning Dutch / Icelandic + Norse + Faroese / Norwegian as they are so magical, as pretty / refined / poetic as English - all other Germanic and the other pretty languages on my list are also gorgeous, so they are all a great option!)

In fact Iclal is a legend.

Iclal is really impressive. If she had said she was a native Russian speaker, I would have believed it. She's highly skilled in other languages as well, especially given the fact she's been studying them for a relatively short lenght of time.

I'm learning Russian as well. Recently, someone who speaks 3 languages told me that the best way to approach learning a foreign language is to approach it like an infant. Try to keep a clear mind, and the primal understanding comes with it.

@borisrijeka3957

8 ай бұрын

This is the best advice I have ever heard really.. thank you!

@user-jt5mt3io2p

8 ай бұрын

@@borisrijeka3957 your welcome!!!

The fact that she was moved to tears shows how dedicated she is to achieve her language goals. *Ad astra per aspera!*

She is awesome but the problem is the topic, maybe if we talk about directions and public transportation in Russian, thats when the level shows up

I’m so glad you covered iclal. I’ve followed her for a while now. And I am someone who has been self studying Russian for almost 4 years now and I can’t speak even a little bit as well as she does. She is so impressive and I dream to be as polished as she is one day! 🙌🏾 спасибо большое за видео. Очень интересно!

Your quality keeps improving, great video

The best video yet!

Truly for basic conversations we use just the same words all over again.. for example I am a Croatian speaker and can't speak Russian so fluently like her but I do understand some really rare, almost never used Russian words because of the same Slavic origin.

Bro your another level very more than C2 .. Отлично

I dont speak russian at all but i love binging your videos.

I am barely C1 in my native language (Spanish), hahahahahaha.

Do a video rating Thiago on youtube and his Russian. He is brazilian.

She posted you on instagram!

@lifeofyama

8 ай бұрын

just saw, thanks for letting me know haha

She will be so glad when sees this critic. Nice video bro, keep up the good work!

I would love to hear you rate David Gemello, an Italian from Turino who doesn't claim to speak a dozen or more languages like many but is thorough, thoughtful, understated and the languages he speaks, he speaks well. His Podcast Italiano is excellent. He studied Russian formally in university so should be different from those who are self-taught even though Russian may not be the language he uses most frequently these days. You can see him speaking Russian here kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2Rtx8aKaczQn5c.html and other places easily accessible as well

@zahleer

Ай бұрын

Davide got the C2 in Russian and even said "I got help from the examiners, I'm not that great I could have a C1 though" An Italian who speaks English or any non-romance language is a national hero and he speaks both more than well.

Do a blast from the past and rate the late, great Moses Mckormick aka Laoshu and his command of Russian. I know he specialized in asian languages but he would speak Russian from time to time and I wonder what you think of his level in that language.

@jamesbond-xl3xs

8 ай бұрын

@@user-kh6mr5up4j Indeed.

I was very surprised that you didn’t mention that she said поздравляю вам instead of поздравляю вас. Given her great level of Russian, this is a very simple mistake. To me this stood out because it shows that she self studied and didnt learn with a teacher.

@lifeofyama

Ай бұрын

Спасибо for pointing that out, sometimes I just miss things 🙃

@OliviaWriting

Ай бұрын

haha it's because you're a native speaker and you didn't have russian professors who drilled the поздрявляю вас / желаю вам difference into you😭@@lifeofyama

Hi Yama I’ve been binge watching all of your videos recently and I realized that you keep making this common mistake that even English speakers make, and that is saying and writing pronounciation instead of pronunciation. But I haven’t caught any other reoccurring mistakes, I would think you’re a native English speaker to be honest. Which probably isn’t that great of a compliment if you’ve been living in Canada for years, but just throwing it out there.

Уау о_о После такого мне становится стыдно за себя, это будет один из самых умных людей на планете, если она продолжит изучать языки.

@aetos223

8 ай бұрын

Изучение языков не делает тебя автоматически умнее...

I’m a Russian and I know this girl. I must say she’s a real genius. She speaks really good Russian, I was shocked when I’d heard it for the first time

It'd be interesting to rate this Brazilian KZreadr called Thiago, that decided to learn Russian, from the channel "Vem a mim língua Russa".

@jamesbond-xl3xs

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I watch him too and I would love to see his rating on his Russian. I think he's good but I don't speak Russian so I can't tell how good he is to a native speaker.

W video

Сомневаюсь, что можно было добиться такого высокого уровня владения языком всего-лишь за год, особенно если это касается русского языка, ведь этот язык оченьсложный..честно, я удивлена, даже если вдруг она немножко нас обманула насчет времени, сколько учила этот язык, это не отменяет тот факт, что она большая умничка, добиться такого результата это очень похвально. Проскальзывало несколько ошибок с ее уст, но не смотря на это, она достойна С1-С2. Если она правда добилась такого результата за год, то думаю через год ей можно будет поставить твердую С2 без сомнений и будет сложно отличить ее от носителя. Спасибо за видео, желаю удачи в продвижении своего канала и своих роликов!

@jameezybreezy9030

8 ай бұрын

When you already speak a few other languages it becomes easier to learn another (pattern recognization etc). She is also 16, so she probably has a lot more free time to study languages in comparison to an adult. Let’s say you study 4 hours a day, which is extremely doable at that age, you will reach 1460 hours in a year. According to the Foreign Service Institute, it should take around 1100 hours to reach fluency in Russian (for a native English speaker). Since she has learned English at a high level at a young age, and since she knows a few other language, she probably even needs fewer hours. Also, these estimated hours do not take into account different study methods. Someone whose main focus is speaking from day 1 + comprehensible input will reach a different level than someone who’s been studying the language from a textbook as a main source etc.

@Thyruh

8 ай бұрын

Правда уровень языка не зависит от времени изучения, так что ставить С2 за то что она выучила за год, то это бред

@sovkamazur1291

8 ай бұрын

@@Thyruh так она за 1 год выучила С1 логично что через год до С2 скорее всего дойдёт

@user-jt5mt3io2p

8 ай бұрын

@@jameezybreezy9030 You are right, pattern recognition IS a major factor. Many words in all the Indo-European languages share similarities. я не работаю sounds similar to Spanish 'Yo no trabajo', for example.

@counterfeit9187

7 ай бұрын

@@Thyruh как это не зависит? Есть градация, за сколько часов изучения ты достигнешь нужного уровня. И хоть ты убейся, если у тебя 1 урок в неделю, через месяц С1 не будет. А вот в день по 3-4 часа - через год-два вполне возможно. Если есть мотивация, конечно.

она звучит естественно. акцент не мешает ничему впечатляющий и вдохновляющий пример

kudos to violation lass

What languages do you speak mate?

Акцент у неё есть, и довольно сильный. Но в общем да, уровень очень высокий. Я б скзал, B2. Чтобы сказать C1, надо было бы послушать её на другие темы кроме изучения языка.

@avidlearner312

8 ай бұрын

Ну "довольно сильный" понятие относительное, я думаю всё познаётся в сравнении, как по мне чем ближе к тому, как это обычно звучит,тем комфортнее,а она как раз всё произносит достаточно близко и порой не особо отличимо от носителя.

I been studying russian for 7 months she speaks better then me 😒

@cleverkeily776

4 ай бұрын

Only 7 months???? I know some people who have been learning russian for 10 years at school but still can't speak like Iclal

in the kaufmann video i thought she was russian.....

@an0nycat

6 ай бұрын

Я думал, что она - татарка... 😅😅

As a native Russian speaker I can say that her level of Russian is fantastic. She makes little mistakes in terms of grammar here and there but really - not so many, and it's definitely some C1 level. Her pronunciation is excellent. Yep, I can clearly hear that she is not a native speaker. However, her accent is not strong at all. Super!

selam dur :)

Well, I'm not a native russian but I've been surrounded by russians my whole life. I would say her level is solid b2 near C1but she has an accent. I def knew that she's not russian by hearing her speech, but I never seen turks speaking this good russian

@banana53358

5 ай бұрын

yes nevertheless it s a big success to speak this fluency in such a difficult language like russian.

@cleverkeily776

5 ай бұрын

@@banana53358 yess but still she has an accent

@banana53358

5 ай бұрын

@@cleverkeily776 yes she has an accent but it s quite normal russian isn't her native language

@cleverkeily776

5 ай бұрын

@@banana53358 yes but it doesn't matter

@cleverkeily776

4 ай бұрын

@@Jess-737 I didn't say anything about it. Accent has nothing to do with fluency and yeahI Cefr doesn't assess ur accent but if u lived in Russia or any USSR country, u'd know how non-russians getting bullied by not having a good accent.

I think Iclal is the best in the world of this area

I'm from Russian and ты правда крутой блогер!

Я думаю здесь хороший B2, помимо акцента все еще существую грамматические ошибки, ну и сами предложения довольно примитивные, так же чувствуется что почти в каждом предложении используется строгий порядок слов, что не особо естественно

Я не согласен с тем, что вы сказали: "у неё как-будто даже нету акцента даже". У неё есть акцент и именно её акцент выдаёт, что она не носитель русского языка. You yourself have slight English accent when you speak Russian.

@Maltera-fj5ko

8 ай бұрын

you sure it's "english" accent? He don't sound like american or british.

@counterfeit9187

8 ай бұрын

not slight, i'd say he has a very thick non-russian speaker accent

@counterfeit9187

8 ай бұрын

@@Maltera-fj5ko so where would you place his accent? "he don't" makes you not native either :)

@milanhrvat

8 ай бұрын

He also said in another video something like in Serbian Матерњи језик instead of Родной язык for mother tounge. I forgot exactly. My wife who is a native Ukrainian said that you can hear mistakes and accent with the lady and with the guy, he has some slight foreign characteristics. He speaks like he only speaks with his parents and grew up somewhere else.

@Maltera-fj5ko

8 ай бұрын

@@counterfeit9187 quite the contrary) Although you're right about me not being a native. "He don't" is a grammar mistake and anyone who has ever read an english textbook knows it. But natives tend to make this mistake deliberately or not, because many of them, unlike foreigners, don't read english textbooks. And by extension i can say that you are not native too, because natives wouldn't pay mind to such a minor mistake. As for where would I place his accent it's hard to say really. My guess is Finland or somewhere around North Europe.

Yillar önce türkiyede tatil bölgesinde bir hotelde iki türk garsonun rusca tartısmalarina şahit oldum bu cok ilgimi cekti onlari kenara cektim ve sordum neden rusca tartışıyorsunuz abla sen anlama diye söylediler ,dedim ana dili gibi konusursunuz ruscayı nasıl ögrendiniz abla müsterilerden ögrendik ve 4-5 ayda ögrendik dediklerinde onlara hayran kalmıstim😊

У неё есть акцент, но говорит она круто

Where is İclallll

Я не слышал еще круче произношения, чем у Джона из Канады kzread.info/dash/bejne/pXWJk9ZxqsTXeag.html

She's the Mozart or the Pavaroti sing. Too bad she doesn't want to work in International Relations or Journalism!

У Iclal очень хороший русский, особенно если она достигла этого уровня за один год. Но чтобы вычислить, что она не native потребуется 10-30 секунд разговора. Есть канал Джо и Ева, так там канадец Джо так научился русскому, что минут 5-10 нужно, чтобы заподозрить, что он не native.

во-первых, Лука шпарит покруче, она его не переплюнула. во-вторых, даже у тебя акцент ближе к нативному, хотя ты явно русским владеешь не как основным*

She speaks quite basic Russian, but she speaks it with much confidence, like someone who can elaborate well with just some few verbs and nouns (so her skill is that, rather than knowing well the language). And let's be honest, she doesn't use complex grammar at all, but very very basic (A2, beginning of B1, like grammar cases and verbal forms are not on display in her speech at all), though the apparent fluent way of speaking makes it sound higher, not being higher at all, so your evaluation surprises me. You can tell as well that she has memorised the sentences (which are very archetypal and useful for these archetypal conversations which are all the same), and that she has practised those few sentences a lot to make them sound casual. Her actual level of Russian would be only valuable out of such archetypal and prefabricated "conversations" that appear in youtube (I've hear her saying always the same sentences in different videos, and with exactly the same deliberate casual "ticks" in the same parts of the sentences, so I doubt she actually speaks Russian). I mean, I don't speak well Japanese, for instance, but I memorised very well a good bunch of these archetypal sentences in Japanese, and many Japanese people think I am totally fluent in Japanese because I can stay for quite some minutes saying such sentences in such conversations. And that is why I could totally catch that in her. But, there is something much more important to unmask all these frauds that you see in the internet: Biologically, physically, that pronunciation can only be achieved by humans after three years of practise, no matter if you are hyper talented or not, because it is not a question of talent, but of physiology. The mouths and throats of humans cannot get adapted that well to those sounds before three years of practice. So, she has been practising Russian for three years (minimum), and her level of Russian is actually the very normal for that time (I mean her actual knowledge, not these memorised sentences). What would be actually interesting is to make a video investigating the psychological patterns of all these people that need to convince so badly to other people that they are hyper talented, with all these tricks, and so on. There are better ways to gain self esteem that cheating on people. Of course she, and others, have talent and are intelligent, but not so so much as they want to pretend... (btw, your need to evaluate the level of other people as a not-so-hidden way of bragging or re-affirming your own level of Russian is quite a subject of psychological evaluation too).

@imallright

5 ай бұрын

You are right !

@banana53358

5 ай бұрын

I totally agree

@cleverkeily776

4 ай бұрын

You have to take a speaking exam to know her actual russian knowledge

@user-qq2xt4he7m

3 ай бұрын

Interestingly when we started to talk about her childhood when she thought that everybody should speak Turkish and she began watching movies in different languages she instantly started to make a lot of mistakes. It seems like she did not rehearse this part of the conversation and suddenly she showed her real level of knowledge. It is still very impressive but it is not C1 for sure.

@DotSimLtd

2 ай бұрын

These types of videos I consider harmful because they place unrealistic expectation on learners. I do not believe for one second this is C1 Russian. That cannot be evaluated from such a small portion of talking. It strikes me as this is a trick. Yes its well done I am sure but this is closer to acting than speaking a language.

Что за имя Яма? Это не русское имя! И почему обезьяна?

@Maltera-fj5ko

8 ай бұрын

Яма с японского переводится как "гора"

@user-zl8xg3rg4e

8 ай бұрын

@@Maltera-fj5ko, а с русского яма переводится как «углубление в земле».

@Maltera-fj5ko

8 ай бұрын

@@user-zl8xg3rg4e тоже верно)

@lifeofyama

8 ай бұрын

Яма это сокращение от моего имени :)

@Maltera-fj5ko

8 ай бұрын

@@lifeofyama а какое полное имя тогда? Ямамото?

You're wrong again about your grading. C2 doesn't mean you are native speaker. You can be B2 and native. C2 is related to the academic quality of one's speech. It's not related to accent. All the vocab she used was B2 only. Professional, elegancy advanced level proficiency is the difference between B2 and C1. I am not being a d*** here. Read the proper definitions of what C1, C2 level is before giving ratings. It's misleading. Now I told you in another video. Which you probably didn't read, you can be an uneducated native speaker. Doesn't mean you are C2. This woman simply is talking fluent B2. Now she probably can talk C1... Maybe but you couldn't have judged that from what she said. My father is a native speaker but talks B1. Why B1? He never went to school. So he talks non accented, fluent B1 level... Does that make him C2? No. He speaks like primitive but with perfect grammar and accent. But not elegant, educated or as if he went to university. Please educate yourself with the grading system before providing ratings. It's nonsense!

@topbruiserthalius9057

8 ай бұрын

Except the agrassion, I do agree with you. In my perspective she is somewhere around B1 and B2 but close to B2.

@danielblock8523

8 ай бұрын

@@topbruiserthalius9057yeah imo she is at a fluent level, where she just needs to pick up new words to expand her vocabulary

@michaelmckelvey5122

8 ай бұрын

The trouble is that whenever you get a Russian speaker to talk, it is always about themselves and how they learn Russian-it is never a long debate about some abstract idea where you require a very wide vocabulary of rarely used words. A native speaker can talk about the rights and wrongs of nuclear armaments or the introduction of electric cars. The students are never really tested thoroughly.

@lifeofyama

8 ай бұрын

Hey thanks for the comment, appreciate your criticism. By saying C2 is a native speaker level, I meant that most native speakers tend to speak at around a C2 level and by giving Iclal C1, I'm just saying she's comfortable in the language and she would have no issues moving and living in a Russian speaking country. C1 is commonly referred to as "advanced" which I think suites her level of orally speaking well. (I might make a future video where I go further in depth about how I base my ratings)

@Transgenderism_must_be_stopped

8 ай бұрын

Facts.

Ugh. You can't really evaluate from this source. All the topics are the same. There will be enormous gaps in the vocabulary.

sounds quite artificial to me, im a native speaker. She doesn't resemble me a native speaker at all, especially the intonation. There's also a little accent, some vowels mispronunciation. So it's a high level of course, but it's quite noticeable that it's not a native speaker. The way she make up sentences is also not natural to Russian, at least not completely. But as for a Turkish woman, it's quite impressive. But it's definitely not C2 level. I would say she's in the middle of C1. It's not a full-fledged C1. Also begin Turkish it's easy to pronounce most of Russian consonants but she for sure mispronounces some vowels like u and ɪ