How did Maori treat the indigenous people of the Chatham Islands ? Ironic

@erina4586

9 ай бұрын

The Ancestors of the Moriori going back Generations are the same

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Just a bunch of racist morons jumping on the band wagon now lmao. Moriori came from the same island as maori they just arrived a little earlier than the main fleet.

@pararumble5965

9 ай бұрын

@@kidd2hoi524 you mean 500 taranaki Maori ??? that nearly wiped out an entire population of 2000 ?

@pararumble5965

9 ай бұрын

@@kidd2hoi524 I have educated myself on real history. You reading that fake history that makes you appear better. Not reality friend

@dougbulldog9947

9 ай бұрын

They where treated like like livestock, for a kai.

Go Winston telling the truth to get out there finally....

@Anonymouse405

9 ай бұрын

🥴

@TheBeaker59

9 ай бұрын

The expedient truth as he see's it Buddy is 100% correct on that point, never trust Winston.

@camjones1106

9 ай бұрын

@TheBeaker59 so they didn't arrive on a boat and there wasn't people. already living here ?

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

​@camjones1106 Those people Moriori were from the same place maori came from, they just arrived earlier than the main Waka.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Uncle Winnie!

We never were asked about co governance, and it was treasonous that we were signed up to the UN indigenous rights, without the consent of the citizens. I agree 100% with Winston, Buddy seems to have forgotten about the Moriori and the Celtics , conveniently But it doesnot matter as we donot agree in the first place, NZ is one man one vote , we are all Kiwis , put the K back in Iwi as Shane Jones so rightly says.

@burtcokain8439

9 ай бұрын

Māori are just the descendants of the Polynesians who stayed here in these islands after discovering them. Moriori are Polynesians who went on to discover Rekohu (Chatham Is.) after leaving these islands. The Celts had nothing to do with this side of the world until relatively recently.

@valeriehughes1008

9 ай бұрын

​@@burtcokain8439 Once it used to be taught in the schools and still should be... the great work of history written by the first Prime Minister of NZ 1842, Robert Stout... He details Maori and their various tribes in great detail, the numbers they were in 1840 at the time of the treaty etc. He tells of Maori describing to him the peoples who were in NZ when they arrived...his works amount to many volumes and the chapters on cannibalism make upsetting reading as he states, even after the treaty was signed in 1840 2 years later in 1842, the Crown was called on by Maori to end an outbreak of cannibalism. He details that some Maori had developed the taste for human flesh with many tribes indulging in gorging themselves on human flesh, heads with much tattoo work were chopped off and shrunk.... some of his observations make uncomfortable reading! After reading his works it makes me amazed how my ancestors on their lonely plots dealt with the knowledge they lived among such cannibals! Another early and fine recorder of our early history... Eldon Best born in NZ 1856 lived among many Maori tribes and recorded their histories and their origins..his known to have recorded 164 generations of Maori.. Maggie Papakura the beautiful Maori Guide wrote a very helpful book "Old Time Maori" in which she makes mention of the Turehu - they were the red haired, green eye Maori who came from Iran... via India, Sth America, Easter Is. before arriving in NZ some 300 years before Maori... they brought to NZ the Sth American potato and kumara and also the Pukeko (Sth American Swamp Hen)...now all verified as having come from Sth America... like the Moriori the Turehu were not warriors and they suffered greatly during the Musket Wars. Maggie talks affectionately about these people later they were referred to as "waka blondes" as her best friend was one... Maggie was a highly respected woman and award a degree by Oxford University in the late 1800's. Re: the Celts... there was 2 ship loads of Celts sent in exile by Alexander.... prior to NZ discovery by Able Tasman... they were said to have been made to sail for 3 months before settling.... apparently this exile does appear in early Scottish records, I have not researched it myself.... but there were a series of early skeletons discovered in the 1950's - height and skulls differing from Maori that are said to be of Celtic origins.... myself, I think they more likely were marooned mariners. To sum up.. NO MAORI are not indigenous .. they are travellers to NZ, like we all are, but they just happened to have come before the big influx of settlers in 1860.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Not right that UN Declaration was forced on a democratic nation and it's people.

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

@brutallyremastered4255

9 ай бұрын

John Traitor Key

Well done Winstone, you are right. Buddy was always a dreamer and waffler and a fairy story expert

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Just a bunch of racist morons jumping on the band wagon now lmao. Moriori came from the same island as maori they just arrived a little earlier than the main fleet.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Heaps of them around the Motu!

@dangerrayy

9 ай бұрын

Hes not right though. Maori were the earliest people of Aotearoa. ie indigenous. Moriori are of maori decent. Winston is a believer of truth? He should admit that his definition of indigenous is off

Its all about deviding and conquering. If Maori and White folks are fighting each other over things like this we arnt putting our energy in to fighting bigger issues like the fact that its bloody expensive to live in this country.

@rjh6037

9 ай бұрын

Correct. It’s called Color Revolution, the theory of which is well established. And the application of this tactic is well noted through modern history.

@mjanny6330

9 ай бұрын

Except Whites aren't allowed to fight.

@Anonymouse405

9 ай бұрын

Excellent for keeping yer🎶frequency down...🥴

@ross1972

9 ай бұрын

@@rjh6037 I dont know why more people dont wise up to it. Its so obvious once you realise. So many other examples in NZ happening right now.

@camjones1106

9 ай бұрын

It's the govt versus all the people ,

Buddy in his reply, confirmed Winston's statement, yet he denounced him. Also funny how the Moriori's seem to of disappeared as a "first" people.

@Anonymouse405

9 ай бұрын

'poof'💨 Doesn't fit the 'agenda'

@Peye-pv4cb

9 ай бұрын

That's what I thought, nobody should have a gaurenteed seat because of race, instead of voted in democratically

@auintogold4725

9 ай бұрын

The Moriori are still here about 1000 exist, the difference here is they do not make any claim on anything, that’s why we don’t hear from them….still peace loving peoples…

@Anonymouse405

9 ай бұрын

@auintogold4725 Michael trust the science Laws is one...and we hear from him...which I kinda like 👍

@camjones1106

9 ай бұрын

@@auintogold4725 do they live in the same community ?

Haha. This is hilarious. Winston has really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Add one horse to that.

So Buddy is mixed race (nothing wrong with that). So many people who identify as Maori, seem to conveniently forget the 'other' part of their ancestry. 😔

Co-governance creeps into law and Maori benefit from the racist position.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

There is a lot of creeping going on.

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

@charleswalker2484

9 ай бұрын

It won't really benefit the average Maori. It will benefit the WEF Elite who are using them as a propaganda piece to take over NZ for globalism. Unfortunately Maori people are not ready for such an attack, this is colonisation 2.0 same thing happening again.

So you admit that and yet you came by boat just like captain cook and maori were not here first

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

I think that is a yes.

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

This fellow “Buddy” just actually agreed with Winston’s correct assertion that Māori are not indigenous to NZ as they arrived from other countries - hence the whole story about tracking which Waka your ancestors arrived on. They are also not indigenous on the basis of being the first people in NZ given the history of the Mori Ori and serious historical research showing others. Now they are all trying to decry Winston as being a racist and playing the race card. All he has done is stated a broadly held and well known fact. It is becoming ever more clear that the establishment don’t want NZ First in Parliament because they know he is going to put a big stick in the spokes of the Globalist plans for NZ. Good on Winston and NZ First.

@jobird354

9 ай бұрын

​@@senseisaitama8684are you addicted to the gravy train or the feeling of being specially privileged over the boogie white man who's oppressed you forever? Being first are just empty words from the UN until they come to take our land like they have just done in Maui?

@ianh9091

8 ай бұрын

@robintamihere4550 it is fair to say that even within what is called Maoridom there is much disagreement and many would agree with Peters version and not yours. I would also ask anyone who was involved from the people of NZ in making so called International laws that would supposedly govern our nation? And when you say Māori have the deeds can you define what a Māori is? And if you can are you saying that it means anyone who is not deemed Māori has no right to own land and it will be assigned to those deemed to be Māori? And exactly who holds those deeds and the land? I suspect it won’t be the average Māori person. The elite know what they are doing and who they are using. And finally what would your definition of Indigenous be?

The word indigenous can be applied to any species which originated on a particular land mass . It is a technical word . It does not refer to the first people there . However it has been subverted to mean first . The people who use the word indigenous actually need to use a different term such as first people . The tui and the tuatara are indigenous , but the Maori are not .

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

The Tui is my favourite bird.

@trevorvanbremen4718

9 ай бұрын

The subversion / redefinition of many words has become somewhat commonplace over the past few years. Another prime example of this 'language corruption' is the redefinition of the word 'vaccine' which now seems to encompass 'experimental gene therapy'. This would have been considered almost BLASPHEMOUS prior to 2019!

@olsaffa7679

9 ай бұрын

Yes, last time I checked, Maori were listed as Homo sapients, which you can only say are indigenous to Earth. If Maori and Pakeha couldn't have kids ... different story.

@valeriehughes1008

9 ай бұрын

They don't even qualify for being the first people either... they will just have to be content to be New Zealanders like the rest of us... all equal .....all with equal rights. Time to move on Maori, proud of your culture, but recognise the fact you are just equal New Zealanders like all the rest of us.

@andrewcampbell2903

9 ай бұрын

Well put . There may be debate about first people , but indigenous is categorically incorrect regardless of the fact that so many people accept it blindly .@@valeriehughes1008

This man needs to read a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word ‘indigenous’ i don’t think he knows the meaning at all.

@panoramapete5758

9 ай бұрын

Yep. Too many people don't understand the words that they throw around these days.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

And all you have to do is google it.

@user-yy4uz4fg6s

8 ай бұрын

It's a real hard inquisitive story to hear that Moriori people were originated from Maori settler's and so there is a connection that they were vpartly Maori /polynesian decent in the first place remember in that century Maori killed each other ate each other as well so there was no exception when they met up with the friendly Moriori tribe my grandmother was a pure bred Maori and said she was told by grandparents full purebred Maori by the way that Maori excepted Moriori as part of them polynesian and fought them and sadly savagely killed them and by the way i'm part maori but you know we all can't be blame for what our ancestors did and today Maori are all in a melting pot of mixed blood i would say all of us a part Scottish Part Irish /English but many of us look full blood to the Pakeha but i can tell you even a very dark Maori today to look at has a grandparent that's white.

It must really piss these "special people" off, that in this day and age and having to follow the accepted laws of the land, that when anyone disagrees with them, they can't kill and eat them to shut them up😁🤣😂

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Thank God for progress!

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

@nzkirsty6816

9 ай бұрын

@@senseisaitama8684🥱

@november50

8 ай бұрын

@robintamihere4550 It would appear that you have no sense of humour or are rather particular as to what you deem to be humour. Just so you know, the laughing emojis depict humour in this instance. Regarding your news flash stating ti kanga is Superior Law, is in it's self divisive and promotes the status of inequality being acceptable. I can assure you that I have not been misled, just as I'm not being misled by the narrative you are espousing. Denial is a cruel burden for a person, running around with the chicken little storyline. The sky (Rangi) is not falling. If a light-hearted joke can trigger you, then you may require some help in distinguishing when something is humour or serious.

The Moriori was first in NZ

@mobbarley7517

9 ай бұрын

That's a guess too

@OnlyThe1Son

9 ай бұрын

@@mobbarley7517 they have evidence bro

@mobbarley7517

9 ай бұрын

@chrisangel872 the evidence is what the Maori chiefs told the settlers that's hear say not evidence

@OnlyThe1Son

9 ай бұрын

@@mobbarley7517 so you think the Moriori came after the maori? what exactly is your position?

@mobbarley7517

9 ай бұрын

@chrisangel872 monitoring were clearly here before the Maori that doesn't mean they were the first

How about the archaeological information that has been embargoed untillater this centuary? No crucial onformation about the nation’s history should ever be held back from public knowledge as it will cause even worse problems in the future.

so, Buddy, where do the Moriori come into the challenge that Māori were here first?

So by my rough reckoning, Buddy should only be entitled to half the special rights allocated to a full blooded Māori, right? So what would I be entitled to if I've got 1/64 parts Māori?

@peterlattimore6013

9 ай бұрын

The squeaky wheel gets the grease...It's only the envious loudmouths who benefit from handouts to silence them.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Ah...But the wheel squeaks for a reason Grasshopper.@@peterlattimore6013

@julianwalls1077

9 ай бұрын

Well years ago when I was at Massey Palmerston North I hears of story Ihat a guy reckoned he had 1 66 Maori and his majority pakeha was opressing his Maori and that guy got a Maori scholarship to go to the university!😀

@dougbulldog9947

9 ай бұрын

@@julianwalls1077 Like my bro, half Scottish, half Maori, both halves want to get on the piss, neither side wants to pay for it.

Winston is correct here & I'm loving watching the gravy train users crying hard. Plus there are to many items around NZ that shows Maori weren't first.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Much gravy has been spilt.

Ole Buddy’s got better records of his English/French family than his Māori 😂

@saxdearing3395

9 ай бұрын

Actually very doubtful. Very very few families in the UK can prove lineage back to William the Bastard. I was told the same sort of story as a child, but couldn't prove it as most parish church records records only started in 1538 and family bibles became popular in the 1700's. Before then, legal documentation such as wills, royal decrees and the like were the only record and the family had to be immensely rich to appear in those. It is true that Norman's brought the use of surnames to England in 1066, but they weren't in common use until the 1400's. More story telling methinks.

@valeriehughes1008

9 ай бұрын

@@saxdearing3395 Agreed as a genealogist of 45+ years I was only able to conclusively go back in time using everything I could read.. parish records, wills, land records, marriage records, tombstones and everything I could use to climb back in time to 1498. You are correct about surnames also! I think the William the Bastard Buddy talks about is actually is Willie Jackson!!

@saxdearing3395

9 ай бұрын

@@valeriehughes1008 😀

Strange this arguement on one hand we have all the outrage, and on the other we have Scotty Morrison about to bring out a doco on where Maori is originally from backing up Winnies comments, now its been common knowledge for years and its only come out after all this push to give Maori seperate soverenty.....

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

All are equal under the treaty and the law.

@debaston7158

9 ай бұрын

Yes Scotty’s doco blew the indigenous claim right out the window ! 🤪 🤣🤣🤣

It depends how one defines "indigenous."

@Anonymouse405

9 ай бұрын

We are all indigenous to heaven or the higher🎶frequency realms✨️

@bennichols1113

9 ай бұрын

​@@Anonymouse405stardust and even they are made of something

@bennichols1113

9 ай бұрын

Its a silly term. Meaningless without a qualifier. We have the ability to be more specific but we also have no real need. Everyone has unique dna but you only need to group people if you are going to treat them differently.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Some are still struggling with what a woman is.

@Anonymouse405

9 ай бұрын

@@annekevandenberg1635 especially women 🤷‍♂️

Winston, the truth teller!

@erina4586

9 ай бұрын

GOD ALMIGHTY is the TRUTH Teller.

@mikesi5531

9 ай бұрын

@gayledenholm, if you think Winston tells truth then you haven't listened to Liz Gunn yet!

@briankemp2116

9 ай бұрын

@@erina4586who’s he.

@erina4586

9 ай бұрын

​@@briankemp2116He's our CREATOR Genesis (Chptrs 1 & 2)

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Uncle Winston tells funny stories!

Maori don’t like the truth

@november50

9 ай бұрын

Just the academics/Maori elitists/activists/puppet masters pulling Pinocchio's strings🤔🤫😁

@brianmarshall1762

9 ай бұрын

Some Maori. Winston said something and Buddy didn’t agree. But then he confirmed what Winston had said.

Great to see the truth coming out. Moriori we’re definitely the first here, Wouldn’t it be fantastic if we could just all be kiwis

@3Kiwiana

8 ай бұрын

@robintamihere4550 that’s frabricated shit and you know it stop grasping at straws Winston has the documents to prove it the Maori tried to wipe out the moriori on the Chatham Islands they even hired a boat from pakeha, why don’t you get a life and also you should not mention IQ if you know even a fraction about it.

The Maori Seats in Parliament were designed only to be short term, read the Hansard

good on him actually looking into his history and knowing his heritage, I'm all for multiple cultures living and born here being proud New Zealanders we all came from some where

@erina4586

9 ай бұрын

​@AnaMore-cc4kz Have some Respect! For the Maori Nation and put your Racism away and stop being Ignorant.

@woofwoof9647

9 ай бұрын

Depends how much Bullshit goes with it !!!

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Maybe that's why there is always a part of us that wants to get back to basics.

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

Identify as anything - as long as its not a critical thinker

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

I'll think about that.

Hmmm... so what Buddy just said - was exactly what Winston said. But because Winston said it - its wrong. Right...

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

They sing from the same songbook, but who can sing the best?

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

Buddy Mikaere doesn't have a clue sorry mate but Winston is correct we come off Kupe look up on him😂😂😂😂

When you line up for handouts not much you do agree with

@danielormsby3960

9 ай бұрын

Racism alert!

@Marius_vanderLubbe

9 ай бұрын

This entire country was built on hand outs the british imperialist governments stole from other countries around the globe. You're on a slippery slope with that argument.

Moriori must be the native people of NZ who are related to the aboriginal of Australia. Everyone born in NZ are indigenous including our European brethren. The original tangata are migrants and those born in Aotearoa/NZ are indigenous.If you are born in NZ Sean you are indigenous to NZ.

@chrismckellar9350

9 ай бұрын

Moriori are of Polynesian descent originating from what we know as French Polynesia not of aboriginal decent.

@tiatamara11

9 ай бұрын

You are guessing you fool. They were aboriginal....here well before your foolish words.@@chrismckellar9350

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

It's called a birth-right.

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

@tiatamara11

9 ай бұрын

The bulk of what we know went up in smoke when Alex Shand died in his house fire in 1910. It has been speculation in modern times which has caused the controversy. Full DNA connection needs to be established but the sea tribes of aboriginal Australia claim familiarity and there is no connection but their own as pre polynesian then polynesian ancestry of their own orations. This what Winston would need to know from the Polynesian Journals. Pre-Polynesian according to Shand circa his death and Polynesian anecdotally.@@senseisaitama8684

I think Winston dropping truth-bomb conversation starters in this pc culture is invaluable regardless of agreeing or not, these convos he gets cut-through with is vital atm. The ‘genuine Mokos vs Scribbles’ is a beauty lets talk about THAT! And then theres his Penis is womans loos and Sports comment, another nesasary Truthbomb convo starter, lets go! 💪🏼

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

I wonder if Winston has seen the Barbie film?

@valeriehughes1008

9 ай бұрын

Correct Mokos were award and earned... not everyone could claim one... Winston is correct! Just as well Waihiti didn't live in the days of the musket wars.... his head would have been severed and dried as heads with tattoos were highly regarded!

Truth hurts and of course the Maori will say no. A simple DNA test will put this to bed. This buddy is more European than Maori looking into his family tree. Maori are not the first to land on NEW ZEALAND is been proven time and time again, there was people here long before the Maori.

@erina4586

9 ай бұрын

At the time of the British turning up here, the (Maui) Maori Nation was already here in Aotearoa-New Zealand.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Isn't it good to be alive!

@ronaldwarren1267

9 ай бұрын

New Zealand you dolz

@nzkirsty6816

9 ай бұрын

@@erina4586the name Aotearoa was not used by maori until after non maori arrived….

For goodness sake Buddy, just admit you are wrong and move on

One person one vote. Nobody should have special treatment. We all from God's creation. Let's unit instead of divide.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Amen.

If someone cliams to be a historian that means dealing in facts and facts alone.....Buddy fails

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

And that's a fact!

Part Maori does not count under their claim as indigenous only applyed to full blooded Maori of which there is not any alive todaý

Mikaere should look up the word in a dictionary. Its not about his belief, its about the definition of the word. "used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else" And there you go!!!!

Good to hear an acknowledgment of both sides of his heritage. 👍

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Two sides to every coin...Heritage and value.

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

A terribly weak reply to Winston. Indigenous means first?...an Orwellian re-definition ( to suit one's position) if ever I heard one.

Buddy please engage brain before opening mouth.

@Eohippus100

9 ай бұрын

What brain?

Go hard Winston.

Buddy, the second time I've listened to you Buddy and what a dork you are. Buddy just loves that gravy train.

What does indigenous mean Oxford dictionary? /ɪnˈdɪdʒənəs/ (formal) belonging to a particular place What does indigenous mean Oxford dictionary? /ɪnˈdɪdʒənəs/ (formal) belonging to a particular place rather than coming to it from somewhere else synonym native the indigenous peoples/languages of the area indigenous to… The kangaroo is indigenous to Australia.synonym native the indigenous peoples/languages of the area indigenous to… The kangaroo is indigenous to Australia. Note: " belonging to a particular place rather than coming to it from somewhere else "

@erina4586

9 ай бұрын

When the Maori Nation arrived First to this Land, all the Maori babies born here were Indigenous. Similar to say for example; the British arriving in Britain First (Correct me if I am wrong)? then, all their babies would be Indigenous to Britain. Conclusion is; like when a British comes to Aotearoa-New Zealand they remain Indigenous to Britain. Same as when a Maori goes to live in Australia, they are still Indigenous to Aotearoa-New Zealand. Lastly, when someone is foreign to a country, where there are already inhabitants of the land there (A First Nation) and their babies are born in that country, their babies are Indigenous to that land, but are not from the First Nations people of that land.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Naturally occurring...Reproduced in that place. Human, Animal, Plants. It's a birthright...Who is first, shall be last. Ancient stuff.

@ronaldwarren1267

9 ай бұрын

It's called New Zealand no Hawaii here son

The wind blows there and it blows here and it blew em here too.

I was taught at school that Maori came from an island in Pacific called Hawaiki

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

History is often not absolute.

@maidaursuladawn44glasgow3

9 ай бұрын

@@annekevandenberg1635 true and there were other people here when the Great Migration arrived so I guess we can all argue as much as we like. However this business with the treaty seems to me that according to the speakers it says a lot more and different things that I as a much younger person was led to believe. The interpretation these days is become almost anything any one speaker wishes it seems

Sean - I love your line of questioning.

Keys did not ask anyone when he went to the UN.

I've listened to this guy before. He can't substantiate with facts anything he says. In real fact he lies a lot. Not a good man.

Kiwi, kereru, tui etc are indigenous birds, they evolved here. Totara, Miro, Rimu etc are indigenous trees, they evolved here. Mankind evolved elsewhere.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Africa apparently. Kumbya.

I am 6th generation Australian, so I identify as indigenous to Australia. As Aboriginals are citizens of Australia that makes us all Australian. Unlike the Māori the Aboriginals control 42% of Australia and have more rights than the average Australian, now they want more which will divide the country.

Thank you Buddy for acknowledging your european DNA

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

There is a lot of Euro DNA across the Motu!

Extremely weak argument considering the Stone Age people that greeted the British.

Weren't the Moriori here first ? ... anyway just saying, being that we are born here makes us all indigenous, Indian ,chinese, Pacifika, European, Maori, lets all live as one in harmony.

@antc5010

7 ай бұрын

You are simply writing your definition of indigenous, which makes not a single difference to historical or the legal definition. Fact check...Moriori are a sub-tribe of Maori and genetically show the same lineage from Polynesia.

@antc5010

7 ай бұрын

Fair enough, my mistake... sub-tribe incorrect, but same Polynesian lineage. More important, both Maori and Moriori are indigenous peoples of Aotearoa NZ.@robintamihere4550

@antc5010

7 ай бұрын

What on earth are you getting amp'ed up about? I agree with you that Maori are recognised as the indigenous people of NZ, legally in NZ, The UK Crown and the UN. @robintamihere4550

Māori just got here 400 years before we did, there for get rid off the treaty, don’t forget the moriori the Māori had them for dinner

Winston's not saying anything "politically expedient" if even Buddy agrees that "native" is nonsense. A part-Maori is as "indigenous" to NZ as anyone else, as is a common garden sparrow. All just to be able to fleece taxpayers.

Haha haha 😂😂 no brain like the last time buddy was on! The truth is out.. so pay back all the millions and get over yourselves 😂😂... good one Winnie!👍😊

Buddy sounds like a nice guy, but had zero argument

stand up stay strong Winston because we are all going to get flack once we open our mouths about the maori coming to NZ and are not indigenous at all...and yes what about Moriori??? There are some dangerous people out there who want nothing more than trouble to sling off at some one like Winston...

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

They want to rewrite history.

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

@nzkirsty6816

9 ай бұрын

@@senseisaitama8684🥱

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

@nzkirsty6816 I feel sorry for ignorant people like you, so naive aswell.

So a French guy tells us nobody is indigenous except Maori. Maori “science”, mixed with cognitive dissonance. It must be hard being him.

Sean what about the moriori from what I have heard read they were in the south island first..this really bugs me there seems to be no consideration for moriori at all who were slaughtered and eaten by maori and escaped to the Chathams and still slaughtered and eaten by maori..correct me if I am wrong

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Itzabout right.

@ronaldwarren1267

9 ай бұрын

Tastes like k f c

There’s a lot of influential Maori who don’t want to face the truth of History, putting a slant on indigenous is a woke comment, first people here where Moriori, would that be indigenous? No because they came from another land to, so in reality the claim Māori have is not relevant, or do we need to quickly change a wording here to keep it relevant……

Maori recorded when they came to NZ that there were other people here.Many years ago I fitted some windows at Okapu Marae, lovely koroheke (old man) told me about the peoples that lived around Aotea harbour, that they displaced. He did have a name for them, but I cant remember (36+++ years ago). Same people that carved the tattoo rocks at Raglan (He said the weren’t Maori)

Buddy said, "his English ancestor came over from England in 1056." This is about 300 years before the Maori arrived. He confirmed what Winston said! The Maori came from the Cook Islands and Rarotonga and the original Maori to arrive were trouble makers and there still trouble makers to this day!

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Don't forget China.

@lightkeeper917

9 ай бұрын

I won't forget. @@annekevandenberg1635

@senseisaitama8684

9 ай бұрын

Bruh the Moriori are the from the same place as maori, even the DNA is a match lmao. The Main Waka arrived straight after the so called MoriOri just like there great voyages. FACTS this is just Winston looking for votes 🗳 for his 🥳 PARTY

@paton57

9 ай бұрын

​@@senseisaitama8684enjoying your hobby horse ride or are you going to write the same boring comment over and over, you don't like Winston so fk off back to your gravy train Chippy

@gavinbell1901

9 ай бұрын

That’s what’s happens when you are a cannibal race. Your genes are screwed up and don’t know what’s a lie or the truth.

Has to be a unique DNA to claim indigenous status of a land?

Well many would agree with Winstone and many would not so its a contentious arguement

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Everything seems to be contentious today. Even ones gender.

I care what Winston says.

Buddy can now identify as schooled

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Can Buddy ride a horse?

Why are Maori so concerned about the evidence Kaimanawaw wall could show they were never here first...all efforts have been banned to investigate this...why can't we find out??

Agree with Buddy DNA is " we are all originally from Africa" in other words we all came from the same boat. 1st civilisation got wiped out. 2nd is work in progress.

Um... the Aboriginals of Australia have no cultural record of ever having lived anywhere else going as far back as the Dreamtime.

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

No records at all. All their rock art depicts the land.

@socialite1283

9 ай бұрын

@@annekevandenberg1635 Exactly. They are "indigenous". Maoris in NZ are the descendants of immigrants just like everyone else in NZ who didn't themselves move here from somewhere else.

They were not first here it's all documented !

The migrating Maori were first… hmmm wasn’t there a culture already ensconced here.

One day you all gonna be sorry when the one true God will come to protect us. T. W. Ratana.

Maori have bought the derision from within and without upon themselves in recent times.

Winnie’s right

If Maori are indigenous to New Zealand does this mean Merino sheep are indigenous, being the first sheep to be here?

@eewwiinnss

9 ай бұрын

I'm not sure let me ask my mates "Baa Ram Ewe" Baa Ram Ewe to your Sheeple to your clan or tribe be true! Yeah nah, they said it"s just another maori boil up with no watercress and no meat on the bone!

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

Only those born here...And shorn here.

Maori aren't indigenous. But go ahead continue to lie.

Winston is the best.

Right on buddy.

In plain English we are all mugles

😂 Im a proud member of Tairawhiti Mataatua rohe ex kohanga reo graduate and PHD researcher now & love Winstons resilience i bay not support his party but hes so right about indigenous issues in some respects we have non Maori coloured indigenous folks like the sami people the irish gaelic scotish people are also tangata whenua of their home lands.

@toakasi6425

8 ай бұрын

@robintamihere4550 There's to much division and elitism in our social hierarchy tribal circles needs to be debated fairly so that there's no over spending or over looking of what has not worked so well in the past up until now people with education and direct access to te ao Maori forget of this sometimes not just rangatira but also our wahine as well ...... they tend to debate more about meanings in principle rather then implementing a plan to help those who are in fact mainly Maori poor and all on the receiving end of incarceration and abuse this is where a broader approach to tackling social & economic issues should be adapted to advance the outcomes .....

You just blew your own argument out of the water, with the argument Indigenous means "First". Moriori were first. End of Story. The Brothers in Chathams finally being recognized as the indigenous people of NZ. Does that mean all IWI now have to hand over the cash to Moriori Descendants? Rise of the Moriori. About time. Maori is controlled by elitists, most maori's lives have not be bettered by treaty settlements. Only the few administrators that control it and ensure they keep control. Plays out like this on every Marae. You try and make it fair with Runanga elections but every time voting day happens, a bus load of so called "Whanau" you've never seen on the marae turn up to vote to ensure the control doesn't change. Then they pack up, get back on the bus and you don't see them again until next election. Same thing after earthquakes, every house damaged was meant to get $5000 but when you apply for it, "Oh, there's no money left, it was all used paying those meant to administer the payments". And nobody batters an eyelid when you ask the question.

I think Winston brings up topics so that the public can be informed of what happenings such as with Keys and Sharples and the U.N. and then with Labour and He Puapua report. This allows NZers to research and discuss same. It's what the Democratic process is all about. Moriori were first. Why are they not being discussed in this interview. Everyone's important in our society surely.

I identify as indigenous.

The word indigenous means you think you belong to a group.anyone can say they are indigenous. Look the word up.

@Anonymouse405

9 ай бұрын

Indigenous to God💨🤍🙌🏼

This is the problem I have voiced my concern with so many organisations. First does not mean indigenous our country has had many different cultures of people arriving here well before the Māori and what about the mori ori

I see ACC have just appointed a special Māori joint CEO at our expense. Ridiculous.

@marcusnz232

8 ай бұрын

Certainly not because they’re competent.

I think there is some merit to being first, but yes indigenous doesn't apply. Indigenous to the pacific perhaps. I like Buddy, seems like a great guy

@overover..

8 ай бұрын

@robintamihere4550 1300's, sorry to burst your bubble Robin.

@overover..

8 ай бұрын

You have records... this is gold. The maui you're talking about is Welsh or Egyptian. And both of them do not exist, outside of conspiracy theory. This is no different to the right wing nuts who believe that red head celts were the first to NZ

Have people read John Aldworth's book and listened to video of interviews.

According to the Tiriti we are we were here before English and that's a fact 300 years before

We go on and on about the past while we struggle in the present and worry about the future. Do we live in God's Own or not?

Meaning, used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else : So if you are born in NZ you are indigenous.

@rayh.7757

9 ай бұрын

Exactly my belief also. I'm of European heritage but consider myself indigenous because like present day Maori, all our ancestors migrated to these shores from elsewhere. Therefore ALL New Zealanders are indigenous. Go Winston. 👍👌👍👌

Ole Buddy ... Maori Elite ... Linning his pockets

Should Maori and the Crown respect and honour the treaty

So the Red head White skin Blue eyed people of the Forest who were here before the Maori

@Innerlight320

9 ай бұрын

No ufo alien were

TVNZ. "Origins" TV Series, with SCOTTY MORRISON, follows the Origin of Maori and how they came to be in NEW ZEALAND. TVNZ Mondays 3 part Series

The mauri Ora’s were here before Māori so all the Māori land should be given to them

Indigenous comes from the Latin word indigena, which means “sprung from the land; native.” Therefore, using “Indigenous” over “Aboriginal” reinforces land claims and encourages territory acknowledgements, a practice which links Indigenous Peoples to their land and respects their claims over it. The Moriori are the indigenous people

@camjones1106

9 ай бұрын

Moriori native ? I don't think so

@erina4586

9 ай бұрын

The (Maui) Maori and the People are the Indigenous First Nations People of Aotearoa-NZ. The Moriori People come from the Maori Nation.

@camjones1106

9 ай бұрын

Native means indigenous , natives don't arrive on a boat ,

@annekevandenberg1635

9 ай бұрын

And we are reminded every Spring!