Really though Chuck your growth since I started watching star talk is truly amazing. Comedian to scientist while making us all laugh in the mean time. Awesome work man.

@andrewolson5471

2 жыл бұрын

For sure! Chuck may not have had the education of Dr. Tyson, but make no mistake, he is an intelligent man! He often works out the solution to a question half way through Dr. Tyson's explaition.

@robertmanookian2129

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Love me some Chuck. Anytime he’s not on the show I get little upset

@sierrabaughman810

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!!

@matilda9906

2 жыл бұрын

The addition of a person that someone who isn’t a scientist can relate to is what distinguishes Star talk from shows like scishow and Ted talks.

@azztecar

2 жыл бұрын

It's also great to actually see when someone "gets it" and suddenly sees the big picture.

Neil , Chuck and Garry always make the guests feel so comfortable and in tune with the topic and pace. Also the questions are so amazing. Thanks guys for another wonderful episode

Running barefoot at beach on sand is the best exercise for ankles and foot arch .

@gamer_archeologist6726

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe this is why florida athletes are so fast haha.

@jckdnls9292

2 жыл бұрын

Also running in water

I've been walking, standing and running on the balls of my feet all my life. My heels have always had more of a supporting/resting role. Every physical therapist or foot/footwear specialist I've ever come into contact with has desperately sought to correct the matter despite me having no problems at all with my feet. Everything in this video syncs up perfectly with everything that feels natural to me.

@toby9999

2 жыл бұрын

Walking on the balls of the feet makes no sense. Just think about it.

So wonderful to hear people acknowledge they've changed the way they feel and think about something in the face of evidence.

I remember very well being reprimended as a child for running (and walking) on my toes instead of my heels. "that's not normal you're gonna hurt yourself!" Few decades later my knees made it very clear I should have sticked with the toe running! It's a lot softer on the body now.

@MerkDolf

3 жыл бұрын

We were taught to walk quieter, you should walk toe first then heal,

@Sir.Craze-

3 жыл бұрын

Walking on your toes is different. It can lead to a shortening of the... Achilles tendon? Anyways, the one up the back of your leg. I know because my brother had that exact thing happen and needed surgery where they made tiny slices in it to allow it to stretch. So, like most old wives tales. It is based in a touch of truth.

@M4nusky

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sir.Craze- Yeah like everything else it's not 100% one or the other! Finding the right balance is important

@darkydoom

3 жыл бұрын

Oh fast foot work is on toes. Learnt this with Greek dancing so running is a lot of on toes. Also, this is why it's so easy to run in heels, actually it's easier to run in heels than it is to walk in heels

@ikocheratcr

3 жыл бұрын

When I was in high school, I used to run on my toes. I do not recall someone telling it was OK or not, but I felt I was able to run with less effort. Now a days, I walk on my toes, been doing it since like ever, I raise my heel just a little, and when I walk stairs (which I love to), I only use my toes only. I have had zero issues. I use sandals a lot too.

GGreat talk. Irene Davis is certainly a really intresting person. Loved the talk.

Chuck, it's not just an extra movement, but when you heel strike, you are almost coming to a full stop, until your muscles give in and allow everything to bend again. When you strike with the ball of your foot, it loads every bend angle all the way up your leg, which is your forefoot, heel, knee and then hip. Where as with heel striking, you tend to do that with a straight leg, loading up only your hip. On top of this, you also have the wear and tear on your soft tissues, like cartilage, ligaments and tendons. If they are constantly being overloaded and/or crushed, will start to deteriorate. Where with forefoot running, when you load, you're utilizing all the tissues properly, including your muscles. Muscles are important here because they help protect your joints so the cartilage can just glide around, not be crushed. Which means, it's a regenerative form for your joints, because they're being used properly with the proper protection. This is the main reason why soooo many people that do run with have to replace something.

As a casual jogger/runner, I really appreciate the insight on the topic. Thank you Dr. Irene Davis.

@ricardop9196

2 жыл бұрын

Same i leaned alot even though I used to run alot

I could say that Chuck has gradually become funnier... Or I could -admit- _realize_ that my sense of humour has grown. More laughter == better health. Thank you Chuck!

I enjoy topics, such as running, which I can relate to my every day life.

As someone who just started jogging again, this video was extremely informative and insightful! Loved it!

@rambo4856

3 жыл бұрын

Read the book by Chris McDougall, “born to run” they are referring to for even more great information

This puts something about my high school cross-country team that we shared with a couple of other teams in a different light: we did many workouts barefoot, especially running on the beach and in dunes and on forest trails. I loved our five-mile runs in the edge of the surf, which when done for time, barefoot, we turned in times as fast as on a track. There was even one team that always ran barefoot. It had started just to be different but they for some reason decided to just keep on -- and they didn't care if they were running on sand, dirt, gravel, wood chips, pastures with cow manure, pavement, asphalt track, cinder track, mud, or whatever, and in accord with what's said in the video they had far fewer injuries than other teams. Though we were taught to run "heel, toe" in track except for middle-distance runners who were taught to land almost flat-footed with minimal force on the heel -- the unofficial mid-distance coach had been an Ivy League mid-distance runner and did things his own way -- and the sprinters, who ran on the balls of their feet. But then on the track we ran in spikes, which were like the old-school shoes Neil talks about, just enough shoe to hold the spikes to the foot. I got a kick out of Neil saying he used to pick things up with his feet because I still do! Something else the video makes me wonder is all the foot "help" inserts these days, different in-soles for work, for standing around, for arch support, for plantar fasciitis, etc. Are those actually helpful, or are they actually making us dependent?

I am a runner so the questions you guys have asked were really helpful. I will try to use my minimum running shoes more often. Also, I want to post back here in two weeks to add my experience. Great show

@sterlinghoward5859

2 жыл бұрын

I've been trying my minimum running shoes for 2 weeks now... there was a difference. I did find it a bit easier to breath and my running form may have improved. However, I did strain my right calf muscle because I tried sprinting too. So I had to let it heal for 3 days. I'm slowly able to run again but I'll take my time this round. I'll check in again

@okaydetar821

2 жыл бұрын

@@sterlinghoward5859 It's almost been a year now, any updates on how it's going?

@sterlinghoward5859

2 жыл бұрын

I've greatly improved... breathing's easier, kadence and form improved, and i can run longer distances. In fact, it has been my preferred way of running. No injuries now because I've gotten use to them. So I can conclude, from my experience, that they offer some benefits.

@okaydetar821

2 жыл бұрын

@@sterlinghoward5859 Sweet that's great to hear.

Chuck's eyes tell a whole story, everytime. 🔥😤😵

As someone who wants to do more running, but hates it, this was a really great episode. Learned a lot from Dr. Irene Davis!

I'm sorry I missed this episode when it came up. This is SUCH an important health paradigm - that our body's mechanics are optimized for barefoot running. I had the distinct impression that no one had actually read Chris McDougall's book, "Born to Run" - which is packed with scientific, physiological, paleontological, and cultural information, explained in the context of an amazing adventure of going to Copper Canyon. Important references came from Dr. Daniel Leiberman, (chair of Human Evolutionary Biology at Harvard - who has his own amazing book, "The Story of the Human Body" - I highly recommend it.)

I am five seconds in and I am obsessed. I will be binging this. Thank you. You inspire me.

I never thought I would hear advice on startalk that would lead to me reassessing what I do in the gym.

Seemingly mundane stuff so interesting. Love Startalk!

This episode was particularly amazing!

The startalk screen on Chuck's tv was a brilliant move.

Could I like twice?? Man!! What an amazing talk. I've never thought about running that way, specially barefoot running. One thing which I haven't seen during the podcast, and it would be nice to talk about it, is that somewhere along the way we lost our fur. I've seen on other show that we lost our fur in order to cool down our bodies while running and chasing our prey till exhaustion, we eficiencly evolved that way. Maybe a second round with Dr. Irene Davis xD And Neil one idea for another explainer video, you could talk about why the sunset on mars is blue rather than orange xD. special hug from Brazil take care and stay safe.

Fascinating episode. I really feel like Neil looks forward to all his episodes every week. So much laughter out of him

This is the podcast I never knew I wanted. NDT doing a podcast on barefoot running. LOVE IT.

Perfect timing! Just got back into running and completed my first USATF 5k this past Saturday!

loved this episode!! I've been in barefoot shoes for ~ 15 + years, starting with those five finger shoes. been in altra shoes for years, inov8 's, earth runners and luna sandal's are constantly in the rotation and 1st pair of Xero shoes arrive this morning. had hip and knee pain in my 20's while wearing "normal" shoes, changes to barefoot shoes and have been able to go all day everyday without issue. flat weak feet to strong arched feet with improved balance.

@kacy750

3 жыл бұрын

@Wirr Ling I've got very tender feet when walking completely without shoes. I've never had ask injury from stones or thorns and in I have several barefoot shoes made for cold weather including injinji socks for warmth when needed

Brilliant topic and guest. I have always instinctively ran landing on the ball of my feet and always wondered if I was doing it wrong. Glad to see there was something to it after all.

Brought back kid memories 💖

This was actually really interesting thanks Neil!

Fun fact, I have a mechanical engineering degree and worked from 2003 to 2012 or so as a mountain bike test engineer. I built custom machines that stress tested freames to the extremes that we calculated they would see. I was completely paralyzed from the waist down during my time as a bike engineer. When I left the MTB industry and uploaded my CV to Linked In. I didn't mention my paralysis. I got a cold call from Nike asking if I was interested in being a she testing engineer. I tried so hard to land that interview so I could roll into Portland, OR in my weelchair and just watch everyones reaction. It was quite funny.

So glad this is a topic!

One of mine favourite episodes

As a 25 year old who ran track in high school I thought running on the ball of your foot was more common knowledge to runners than this video makes it sound. My track coach use to drill that into us.

@LiftPizzas

3 жыл бұрын

Running for 20 seconds is not the same form/technique as running for 20 minutes. Not that you should land on your heels either way. But it's easier for people with spongey shoes to jog on their heels than it would be to sprint with your heels, because when you're jogging the vast majority of your energy return is upward not forward, it's not your muscles or legs ability to push forward that limits how fast you can go, it's your heart and lungs. Meanwhile when you're sprinting that spring/push with your calf muscle pushes forward (which you can't do with your heel at the end of a step) and that's a big part of your top speed.

Another point is that much of the discussion revolved around "performance" and "competitive" running...as opposed to running as normal human activity, and as health maintenance - just staying in shape so that you can enjoy doing more things, and maintain function and health as you get older.

Thank you, this show was great! I get minimal shoes for everyone in my family now. I would also love to see a podcast on swimming. Although water is not our element, there is much less injury there. Do you think you could do an episode on that?

Thanks for the advice given starting at 26:23, now I should be able to retrain my legs for running without having to pay for a personal trainer or anything like that. I lost my ability to run a couple decades ago due to an illness that effectively caused my body to consume my two front calf muscles. Afterwards my back calf muscles adapted by wrapping ¾ of the way around my leg, while I had no trouble getting back to walking I couldn’t seem to get back to running the way I used to. I still knew better than to touch my heel to the ground while running but I was just getting winded so much faster than I ever had before.

How interesting. Star talk is my favorite show . I learn so much from it . Plus ,the guys are hilarious. 👍👍

Another great show guys

the thing is that we were bullshited into relying on shoes and special soles to do the things that we should learn to do ourselves when it comes to using our feet. what is the main feature of an arch? if you said weight distribution you are correct. and what do our feet have? arches! you don't need a shoe to handle proper weight distribution, your feet are made for it BUT most people who learned to rely on the shoe don't understand that the foot is designed so that most of your weight needs to go to the front and the sides and not support all weight at the heel. the heel is there for balance not to be the pillar that holds your weight. when i started my current job that requires a lot of standing and walking, my waist and feet were killing me, especially the Achilles tendon was hurting like crazy, and no matter what shoes i wore they didn't seem to help. once i started minding how i distribute my weight on my foot, the pain stopped and after a bit of consciously trying to maintain that weight distribution it became natural. now i don't feel like i got out of a car crash at the end on the shift

Around the 24 minute mark Dr. Davis explains why she changed her views .. and Nobody thought to ask her about how she "flip-flopped"..? C'mon, guys. ..Chuck! How did you miss that??

I want Chuck's ceiling fan.

I grew up with a creek and woods in back yard. I don't remember ever wearing shoes and I ran deer trails and up and down the creek. I also ran track. I think running those trails, dodging logs and rocks, winding through those trails helped with all the sports I did.

I personally have always maintained that you should only touch your heels to the ground when walking or standing still, never when running or jogging.

Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been trying to figure out for months why running has been causing knee pain for me and now I think it’s my running shoes! I’m finally going to go for a run again, this time with flatter shoes.

@andrew348

3 жыл бұрын

Take it slow and remember the more steps the better.

I may have been born to run, but I grew up to limp... most of my running shoes were jump boots, for the metal that suddenly appeared in my knee was what curtailed my running.

very enlightening

I love ❤️ this channel👍👍

What about that foot wear like vibram that is a glove for the foot? Does that provide enough protection without inhibiting movement or providing extraneous support?

Interesting.. I'm going to give this a go

All these years I’ve been trying to hold a healthy conversation about why people who walk flat footed, or duck walk to be more specific, have been doing horrible damage to their legs/knees/backs/feets/shins etc. aside from the annoying sound of slapping your feet on the ground because of heel strike running, that motion of movement is hella wrong and would honestly make more people “athletic”. Idk why that’s always been such a difficult conversation to have. It literally makes you less clumsy and more balanced in an instant! More people’s should think about the mechanics of motion. Joints, ball-in-socket motions and so on. It’s so logical. That’s what separates “super star” athletic feats from just “regular” athletes doing the same thing. It’s about understanding structure and logical, fluid motions.

Michael Jordan once wore a pair of his retro sneakers in a basketball game. When recalling the event he said his feet where bleeding and that basketball sneakers had come a long way since then. As high level athletes spend substantially more time in shoes I thought this perfectly reflects the notion of our feet/body adapting to comfort and the barrier that then represents to change.

When I was in high school our PE coach had us all run barefoot. The next day my heels hurt so bad I had trouble walking, but here we were, running barefoot again in gym class. The only way I could do it was to land on the balls of my feet. It was amazing! Even with very sore heels I could run barefoot comfortably. I ended up loving running barefoot.

Awesome episode! :D

I've spent all my life (even now) wearing either no shoes or flip flops when I'm not at work or in school, and even then I used to wear "simple" shoes close to what the guests are talking about (not exactly tabi-and-wood, but definitely close to the loose fitting simple platform and canvas they're talking about). I like my feet to be free and I was a martial artist, and it seems like I should be buying into the guests' argument whole cloth. Unfortunately, I developed severe foot problems and now have to wear shoes technologically designed to be supportive to avoid severe pain and disability. My feet simply weren't naturally designed for working at a highly active job into my fifties and I need the added structure. The guests disdain shoe technology yet make an argument for another type of technology: training ourselves to walk and run differently than we naturally develop to. I don't dismiss their argument about commercialization, however. It would be nice if all of medicine was solely motivated by making us healthier instead of mixing that with profit motive. Pay attention to times when they describe actual reasons based in anatomical physics for their arguments, and judge those on their merits. That's real science. Be wary of any argument that boils down to "that's not how we were meant to ____ as we evolved." That's only one step above an "intelligent design" argument. Fact is that in evolution there's significant trial and error. It's a random structural change that is the trial and the death of significantly disadvantageous changes before procreation that are the error. No more, no less. And many gradual changes might have been disadvantageous but were offset and therefore protected by other gradual changes that made the total package more advantageous.

@PeterDam1

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, your last paragraph is exactly on spot. I mean, after this talk I started googling more information on advantages and disadvantages if I start running barefoot (particularly on a treadmill). Let me preface what I'm going to say by stating that I have no doubt regarding the adequacy of the theory of evolution. Anyhow, as you quite soundly stated, when they argue based on anatomical physics that's great, but I do not advocate this notion that "because we evolved to do it this way" is evidence of that being the best way to do something. Like you mention and I'd just like to reinforce, either other changes that accompanied allowed for slight "mistakes" in an evolutionary process or perhaps the evolution stage of our "biomechanical technology" is still lagging behind what scientific technology could provide. So while it does seem that barefoot running can provide better technique, it is due to the anatomical physics rather than the blanket statement that is sometimes thrown around (such as commonly used by Chris McDougall).

@jckdnls9292

2 жыл бұрын

We didn't evolve to walk stand on hard flat surfaces 24/7

@adorablegodzilla5628

2 жыл бұрын

Their argument is modern shoes change the way we stand, walk, and run (the cushioning, lifted heels and smashed toe box that stops the natural movement through the foot) and stop the natural movement. Sandals aren't allowing a natural walk unless they tie to the ankle. Flip flops make your toes curl in to grip the front. There are shoes that are in between modern and minimal, like Altra. Those have the foot-shape so your toes aren't smashed and the zero drop so you're not over tightening your calves but keep the padding in the sole (because pavement is hard). Personally, I can tell you that changing to a mid-foot strike from a heel strike means I no longer have knee pain and this is from someone who was planning on having knee surgery. I noticed almost all the people praising barefoot and minimalist shoes had a serious knee or foot pain that doctors couldn't treat.

I need that shoe that helps with Potatochipitis. I’m walking around in Frankenstein shoes.

Dr Tyson if i may suggest that if you do decide to go running around your block barefoot. Trying walking around your block barefoot first this will give your feet to time adapt to their barefoot transition that your body needs.

@ctakitimu

3 жыл бұрын

And your lungs

I use Vibram furoshiki running shoes. Basically a light rubber moccasin. My first pair lasted more than two years vs my old running shoes that wore out after 3 months. I have a tendency to develop blisters on my toes when I run straight barefoot so they give me just the right amount of protection. I found that a couch to 5 k (C25K) running app was ideal to transition from running shoes to barefoot. No shortcuts, be patient and do the entire program. Been running barefoot for 2 1/2 years now and never enjoyed running more.

Chuck, the toe shoes are awesome. Running with regular shoes is like typing with boxing gloves.

13 years on my vibrams now. definitely start slow, but no more shin splints and worked up to 13 mile runs no problem

42:20 Gary was so quick!

I run and walk with swim shoes. It feels so cool!!!!

@texabara

3 жыл бұрын

Are those also called “water shoes”? I used them for jogging!!

@marcramirez2093

3 жыл бұрын

@@texabara yes!! And i use them like regular shoes, i found that it helps me sleep better! Also workingout with yhem is pretty cool!! Its also helped me eun faster!

Chuck, I love that early flying machine you have displayed on your ceiling!

Where do Converse Chuck Taylors fit on the scale of minimal foot wear? Because thats all I ever wear.

"If you dont run in this shoe, you'll get injured" - Nike mafia... very interesting

@Synathidy

3 жыл бұрын

Whoa... a threat perfectly disguised as a marketing pitch for the their shoe's superiority. Diabolical.

30:55 “Abby-Normal”. Mel Brooks would be proud.

Around 6:20 the guy says the nuchal ligament runs from the occiput to the lumbar vertebrae, but it actually inserts at C7, and along the bifid processes of the spinal column from there superiorly. I"m sure he just misspoke, but I wanted to clarify.

Chuck was so funny in this

When I was in the Army, my 2 mile run was 9.5 minutes. Not the fastest but, I was a smoker as well. I ran on the balls of my feet. I started doing that because I felt it gave me more push off with every stride.

Thx Dyson can you talk about exoplanets pls?

That was great

At this point, I bet you can fill an entire episode about Q-tips and still make it sound interesting. And yes, I would watch it 🤓

I don’t recall the source, but, there was a study done where it was shown that a barefoot runner ran faster than when in sneakers. The cushioning absorbs valuable energy...

Man, Chuck is on fire. This was his episode to lose. 🏃‍♂️

I think being properly fitted for shoes would help as well. I haven't seen that in years.

I started the transition to minimalist shoes (which is a lot of effort) and my plantar fasciitis and knee pain have not returned so far. I tried to tell the people in my plantar fasciitis support group but they don't want hear an answer that isn't a brace or insole.

Very interesting. Dunlop Volleys for me.

You seemed to have forgotten Doc Brown: "Roads?" People ran on grassland, forest floors, mud, clay and marsh--now we walk and run on hard surfaces. (And this is why I never wear hard-sole shoes.) When I was on the track team, I sprinted, and after high school I thought, I should run on my toes, to disperse the impact across multiple bones instead of the heel bone, alone. Then I heard that the best sustainable technique is landing on the instep to disperse the impact force in two directions to a greater extent--again--across multiple surface areas sooner--but it's hard to run that way at first. And--I'm not sure that's best because it's very unnatural and requires a forward-leaning orientation.

@carlatteniese2

2 жыл бұрын

Ah you did talk surfaces and "ball-strike" technique.

so running shoes are okay for walking?

So I'm not entirely wrong to feel weird in shoes. They feel awful to me. I hate not feeling air on my feet, I feel trapped. It's why I insist on wearing flats as long as I possibly can, even through autumn til it gets close to bone-chilling temperatures. _I really like this video because it validates my feelings as natural and not just Autism Brain._

Another reason we are able to out run other animals in long distances is our ability to sweat, many animals have to pant in order to cool down which makes them get exhausted rather quickly

Found this very interesting. I personally walk as I don’t like running would be interested to hear the difference because I always land on my heal.

@TheAngelchia

2 жыл бұрын

No expert but I have been told by experienced movement professionals that when walking we should mostly touch down with the heel and roll through the foot to the toes. When running, it should be forefoot very slightly first and then heel down. I have been told that just running on the toes/forefoot can cause metatarsal fractures.

Xero and Altra shoes are the best place to start!

In the 70's no one was stretching. The Nike podiatrist didn't consider what happens to the fascia on the bottom of the foot that extends from the achilles tendon or the m. gastroc (calf muscle). Nike was attempting to design a shoe that circumvented elongating the muscle/tendon. But as we know short sighted marketing can't undo 100k+ years of evolution.

Finally, Neil is addressing VSauce's video about Butts. I've been waiting years for this.

I've hated shoes my whole life. I spend as little time in shoes as I possibly can. I'm a nurse and spend alot of time on my feet on carpet over concrete. My legs go numb at about 3 to 4 hours in to my shift. Would barefoot shoes help with the numbness? Also I had a bad foot injury as a kid.

Please get her in contact with people in the military! They need her info and insight. They would be VERY interested in reducing those injuries! It would be incredibly well received if she can produce evidence and get them to do some tests.. the military is always looking for ways to reduce training injuries.

@Synthwave89

3 жыл бұрын

They also introduced a new type of combat boot a few years back and it has been deprecated in just a few years because it was causing problems on the foot soldiers. They could definitely use an expert on such an important topic / issue.

@andrew348

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the topics in this episode are actually based on the work of Daniel Lieberman. He's the one you want.

there are running shoes and track shoes and walking shoes. track shoes are very light with spikes for traction. adiďas and puma existed before nike and are still popular brands. today most of these shoes are used for walking, not competitive sport.

Chuck has the coolest ceiling fan

Great show!

A question for the 'team': would the best running 'shoe" be a spray-on sole that only covered the bottom of the foot?

Thnks

Neil love you.❤️

"I could outrun everyone!" - "I heard you coming though." :D

Love you Tyson!!

@eagle___shadow

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

Neil I am very close to discovering how to create a core I will show this masterpiece to you one day.

They got to it towards the end around 50 minutes or so, but I wish they dived a little more into performance enhancement of shoes for different running events (40m, 1600, every day jogging). Majority of the talk focusses on the negative effects of wearing corrective shoes while jogging. My question is more so along the lines of wearing performance enhancing shoes only at the competitions. In a previous StarTalk, Edwin Moses (Olympic hurdler) talked about he trained in dirt fields because that was what was available at the time, to switching to the rubber track field. He ended up much quicker than most who trained on the rubber field because he was originally competing against a cometitor's times under different running conditions. Could and should this method be applied practice vs meets? Irene is a purist for competition and Chris seems to be even further in that camp, but I believe that would be a strong argument for Nike's shoe "improvements." In other words "these shoes should only be used for competition, not for common joggers." You can argue they are still marketed as common jogging shoes.

I will never think of running the same 😅

13 commercials that’s a record.

Callus feet can get cut a little bit but you don't feel it or bleed because you're only cutting the tough first layer