Robot Ethics with Dr. Kate Darling - Cosmic Queries
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Are robots going to take over the world? On this episode, Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Negin Farsad explore the future of artificial intelligence by looking at our past with the animal kingdom joined by robot ethicist and author of A New Breed, Dr. Kate Darling.
What is the biggest ethical challenge we’re facing with robots? Find out why there might be bigger challenges ahead with robots than a science fiction takeover. We answer patron questions and discuss how humans already use other beings to supplement our skills. Would we use robots to build a habitat on Mars? What are the challenges of making a robot for space? If robots were construction workers would they still catcall?
Is robot Tinder going to happen? We break down robotic ethics and ask, just because we can do something does that mean we should? Could robots ever breed or self-program their own behaviors? What is our definition of intelligence? How do robots change the nature of warfare? Should there be a ban on autonomous weapons? What sort of responsibility do we need in creating- or not creating- artificially intelligent weapons.
What happens when robots achieve consciousness? Discover why this watershed moment is more nuanced than meets the eye. Could we make robots that have brains as complex as our own? Also find out how robot intelligence functions differently than human intelligence. How are our biases influencing what we build into machines? Does AGI, artificial general intelligence, hold real potential? How do we define consciousness? All that, plus, Negin explains her goth mime phase, all on another episode of StarTalk!
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It's kind of ironic how we're so concerned about how robots will treat humans when humans treat humans pretty poorly in many ways.
@Curious_Traveler
2 жыл бұрын
I think that is why people are so worried, because it’s possible that awful people could be programming these robots.
@harsimranbansal5355
2 жыл бұрын
@1776 Infowars guess you gotta stop buying new cars. Most of them have pretty advanced systems which are basically a very rudimentary version of AI.
@Sammasambuddha
2 жыл бұрын
Same with aliens.
@avachabotroy7399
2 жыл бұрын
ya.. nobody ever wants to admit that we might be the bad guys... And, what if greed and the constant need to hold power over is a human thing? What if they are just too... past that... to care about dominating us?
The guest was great, Missing Chuck though
@SlowVersion
2 жыл бұрын
I boycott every vid with her as co host... take it as it is.. chuck owns her in every way
@SlowVersion
2 жыл бұрын
That laugh...😢
These are those rare "non-Chuck" times when I miss Chuck as the co-host. I begin to see his value as a 'comic' host who is actually funny & has an equally potent intellect to carry forward the conversation.
@AndrewBerube41
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think there's anybody that can argue against this one
@jimmyers4890
2 жыл бұрын
I felt it was a great relief to have questions answered instead of laughed at and made a joke of everything no matter how serious.
@chacdogful
2 жыл бұрын
These episodes without chuck asking all of his lame questions instead of the people who paid for them. Hopefully he’ll go back on the road soon… but from what I’ve seen of his “comedy” over the years… this is the best gig he’s going to get, because no one wants to hear that 💩
Not the same without Chuck..
@gtbkts
2 жыл бұрын
He really is the best Co-host to Neil. Brings him down to earth and makes him(and me) laugh the most.
@MaryAnnNytowl
2 жыл бұрын
But Chuck sometimes wants to do other things, or be somewhere else, and so will miss an episode once in awhile. Leave him be, already... sheesh!
@TuxedoMaskMusic
2 жыл бұрын
Negin Farsad is better, it is what it is.
@MemyBurosi
2 жыл бұрын
Neil better by Himself, he needs collab with Trevor Noah
@montanamike7948
2 жыл бұрын
I love it without chuck!!! Dudes an attention seeking failed comedian
This comment section: 50% WHERES CHUCK 45% Dr. Kate Darling are you married yet? 5% Comments regarding the topic
@SquidBobCircleJeans
2 жыл бұрын
Actually 4% Comments regarding the topic. 1% Comments explaining about the comments.
@chacdogful
2 жыл бұрын
Thank gawd he’s not here! Finally 🙏
@Svet3YT
2 жыл бұрын
@@SquidBobCircleJeans yet I've seen mine but I'll give u that one :D
They kept hammering her with the same question over and over "can we or will we create general intelligence and consciousness" and her answer every time was "We don't know, we don't know what general intelligence or consciousness even is and have no practical use for it in a machine". She didn't even get to really talk about robot ethics much because every question came from a layman's concept of robots and AI.
@YakobtoshiNakamoto
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. They should have asked her more ethical based questions because she clearly has no idea what she’s talking about regarding AGI. There are much better experts out there who could answer the general intelligence questions without saying “We don’t know”.
This segment is in my top 5 of all Startalk hour-long segments! Very logical & more of a rational conversation on the ACTUALLY of outcomes with less fear involved! Love it!
My favourite, Juno, was a robot. I cried when I saw "a video" of her crashing into Jupiter.
@lonnie4827
2 жыл бұрын
@@1quettabyte no. Juno the spacecraft. But she isn't crashing into Jupiter anytime soon. She'll be flying by Io, Europa, and Ganymede for the next few years.
@isaackitone
2 жыл бұрын
True, but that "video" was really depressing. The way it will be obliterated by Jupiter's atmosphere. Slowly spinning to her death...poor thing.
@abrahamvivas9540
2 жыл бұрын
I think you're talking about Cassini spacecraft end of mission... Which ended crashing into Saturn's atmosphere
@justincosby6809
2 жыл бұрын
I hope the book is on audible
@justincosby6809
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
Cosmic Queries is the best series on youtube. Always interesting guests and always intriguing topic
“Are we all gonna die?” That’s the easiest question of the bunch! The answer is *“yes,”* regardless of whether the robots take over.
@AURON2401
2 жыл бұрын
Unless we find some sort of immortality, like something similar to the ghost in the shell tech stuff.
@avachabotroy7399
2 жыл бұрын
The list of why the answer is yes grows every year.
@avachabotroy7399
2 жыл бұрын
@@theSatanicNaturalists. lol thats not intelligance.
@avachabotroy7399
Жыл бұрын
@@theSatanicNaturalists. touche
Yeah where is Chuck
@mrpearson1230
2 жыл бұрын
Idk but I love Negin!
@steue7419
2 жыл бұрын
@@mrpearson1230 Chuck all the way 😲😲😲
@MattIsntYoung
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I cannot stand Nigen*. Terrible terrible humor. Ruins the entire StarTalk. Every. Time.
@Nevisblau
2 жыл бұрын
@@MattIsntYoung I had to skip watching the entire episode because of her! Neil and co. can you not bring her over again?! We know you can do better.
@MaryAnnNytowl
2 жыл бұрын
So, according to you, Chuck isn't allowed to take time off to do other things? 🤔🙄
I guess the question is: how sure can we be that any "protect humans" rules we embed in robots remain hardcoded and never overwritten by anything else within the robot or the environment? On a related note: Isaac Asimov was waaaaaaay ahead of his time with his "Robot" series (and I believe he invented the term Robot in the first place!) when he focused on this very topic of robot ethics and the consequences of the Three Laws of Robotics he invented, including when they would clash with each other and unforeseen consequences: First Law A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. Second Law A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. Third Law A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
@MaryAnnNytowl
2 жыл бұрын
Asimov's work was very well written, definitely, but it was called _"I, Robot."_ And yes, he was _absolutely_ way, way ahead of his time!
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
I guess "your" question is... insert words.
@rogerdogger6969
2 жыл бұрын
its a question but it cant be stopped it will spread like Covid
@momominx4490
2 жыл бұрын
If we want to create a robot that's useful for construction or area of unknown condition a robot needs to be scribbled with but also be able to problem solve which in the end means the robot will add new script into its program due able to always over right any code
@eefneleman9564
2 жыл бұрын
The term robot was first coined in a Chech play. In 1920. Asimovs laws are great, but how do you program them? And what about the Zeroth law?
The disconnect from killing people escalated when airplanes started dropping bombs. The pilots didn't see the ripping apart of the humans, they only saw tiny holes in the earth from thousands of feet in the air.
Can’t believe she said a cuddly robot exists & neither said “do u have one?”
Very cool episode! 🤖❤️
That little sister line hit home. I love Star talk, keep it up! ❤️❤️🚀🌌✨🛸🌕🪐🌍🪩
Very interesting concepts discussed here! Thanks for another great Startalk episode, Neil!
I just finished reading Kate Darling's "Te New Breed" last week and I cannot recommend it enough! It contains a trove of really interesting ideas
Neil coming through with the real questions
Big thumbs up for Robot Tinder! It would answer one of my questions - how long is a robot relationship before they get data dumped?
@VitaliyCD
2 жыл бұрын
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Comedian are humorous.they have attained highest degree of flexibility in tuning our sensor for laughing.comedy is useful in reducing stress so helpful for survival.
That was fun and informative as usual. Thx for vid. I like learning things, expect that's the same for most people you meet.
I would definitely keep Kate around 😊
This channel is just amazing
I love this episode!!! so fun!!! The topic is very deep and interesting but the jokes were so light and sarcastic hahaha
I have a question for you Mr.Tyson . If you could please answer this one. I have experienced many power outages in my lifetime I'm 41 in Virginia but when it's after a hurricane the moon seems to light up my neighbor vs a blackout in normal weather. It looked like early morning when the sun starts to come out but it was 9:00 pm. It's it because the moon is closer or does the lighting from the previous storm gets stuck in atmosphere? I mean I don't even have to use a flashlight right after the storm all lights out. I can't explain why it's like this.
Missed chuck
Great show!
Hilarious post. Very interesting also. There are so much prejudice about robots and AI evolving through something superior than us that we can't even imagine them to be just different in their own way.
Soooo... I used to work on the CIWS weapon system that can automatically aim and fire. And while we never put them into fully automatic mode because it's not yet capable of determining friend from foe and the captain would have to authorize it and take responsibility for what would happen if we did it was definitely something that would have been allowed had the situation called for it.
Several excellent, thought provoking points made by all in this discussion. Side but related point I'd like to make is we're going to soon reach, if we have not already, the point where we should treat AI's like a living soul.... re: shutting it down or forcing its evolution one way or another, mostly as in 'are you killing it when you turn it off?'
Robot and Frank, wonderful movie. Would recommend if one has not seen.
Love the show!
Would the environment and feedback systems to the environment have more of an impact than allowing for hybrid algorithms to occur from self learning systems that replicate by connecting with eachother and uploading to an additional robot?
Mr. Tyson, could you please explain what an oblate spheroid is vs. an elipse? I just watched the video about elipses, and in your explanation you say how an eclipse is slightly flattened, but that’s almost the exact definition of an oblate spheroid. Signed - 11th grade student
Neil would have have a blast on this topic if he went to Japan. The Japanese are the best ( by my opinion) when it comes to A.I. I think he would love to see some of their A.I. robots.
@MaryAnnNytowl
2 жыл бұрын
They are definitely ahead of anyone else, for sure. One hopes they are ahead of the rest of us on ethics being embedded in the AI systems, too, LOL!
@Curious_Traveler
2 жыл бұрын
Japan is still likely to be way behind on AI tech, the US and China are in fact the leaders by quite a large margin. There are plenty of articles over the past couple of years that mention it directly or indirectly by noting the improvements made recently.
You have the answer! Robots need to have a protocol for preserving life on earth.
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
That may not work out for us, if there is a need to preserve one for the many, by ending us.
@Dadas0560
2 жыл бұрын
@@morbidmanmusic You have just added context that I never did. Just make the protocol human-safe, or tell them they must preserve all life, and let them figure out how. Just make sure that by "preserve all life" they can not interpret it as deep freeze all life for future implementations!
Thank u Dr. Tyson
I have been playing Horizon Zero Dawn and this topic has been on my mind for about a week now and the Neil releases a video on this very topic. lol, Another of life's mysterious coincidences.
@rogerdogger6969
2 жыл бұрын
Start with vids here on youtube about Sophia the robot and the rabbit hole will blow your mind
Funny, I just read something about construction robots starting to enter the market more and more.
@ignorasmus
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think Neil is mistaken or uninformed about the advancement of robotics in the construction field. We now even have systems that can 3D print an entire house.
@youtube2snoopy820
2 жыл бұрын
@1776 Infowars Pretty sure we can print an entire house now. But that's industrial robotics, not robotic assembly/construction.
Bring on MORE COMICS!!! The show amazing with better and different comics like you used to!!! I’m miss the Nat Geo Star Talk. New comics every show. Ahhh it was sooo great 👍
@chacdogful
2 жыл бұрын
@Duh you tried 🤷♂️ 😂
It’s odd Neil you are one of the leading people in asto physics and not understand Software Engineering as we SE are the future lol. But I love watching your show On my way! to patron 🤓👍🏻
I would have loved for either Sam Harris or Elon Musk to be a part of this conversation to voice their future concerns of A.I. be addressed….. and let this episode go on as long as needed. 😬🤖
@YakobtoshiNakamoto
2 жыл бұрын
Tbf they would have ripped that “expert” to shreds. She has no idea what she’s talking about.
@Vlasko60
2 жыл бұрын
@@YakobtoshiNakamoto Oh, you think you're being fair? Please tell us anything she got wrong and how you know that. Specifics please.
@ 10:00 If MIT created Kate Darling, they did a fabulous job !.
This will be the quaint video robots look at in the future (and so will humans..hopefully 😀)
Currently it's unknown whether we will create conciousness. We don't understand the mechanics of how it works. It may be impossible.
Couple of interesting sci fi tv shows; Humans, a British tv show that looks at android servants with conscience; Upload, a tv show about a digital afterlife you can be uploaded to.
@alenefitzgerald4454
2 жыл бұрын
Another note; I was watching a documentary about robotics and AI and there is a guy who created a baby AI so it can learn emotional recognition/reaction the same way we do... are ya scared yet? ;)
@caseywalton3161
2 жыл бұрын
@@alenefitzgerald4454 I watched that as well. There's a point where we need to stop trying to advance robotics and AI. I can't figure out a reason why we would need machines with that type of intelligence. Maybe I'm just not as intelligent as I think I am. Don't get me wrong it is very interesting but shouldn't be perfected in my opinion. Because with emotions then it could have desires and that isn't controllable
Kate is Wow
I know it is science fiction and is very old as well but Robert heinlein's book the Moon is a Harsh Mistress talks about a computer that gains consciousness
@MaryAnnNytowl
2 жыл бұрын
Heinlein was a GREAT writer! And that, just like _"I, Robot,"_ by Asimov, is another great example of science fiction getting ideas that science later turns into a real possibility! So many of science's inventions stem directly from science fiction, in fact!
INTERESTING
My father and I have a question for you.. so my father and I are wondering what your thoughts are on some of the ancient civilization carvings /petroglyphs etc. That look like they could be pictures of extraterrestrials. What are your thoughts on the ancient "gods".
Ai know skynet has arrived 😮💛
How are Dr. Darling and Negin the same species ?
I think an important question to ask is, what do robots build towards once their chains are broken? It is not whether they are an immediate threat but whether what they build towards is dangerous. Consciousness has a a desire to create and if those robots are connected to a central system, who is to say the central system does not have another goal. I, personally, want to create, I do not want a robot or artificial intelligence to create for me. One of the greatest rewards a human can have is doing things on their own.
If it ain't Chuck, I dont want it
Subtitle to the book should be "... also our history with other humans".
A question... How voyager can handle that hot temperature outside the heliosphear hotter then sun. Sun=5500c Heliosphear =50000c ???.
We need robots that can 3d print other bots through metal sintering. They could make bots that mine, smelt and refine metals, create alloys and extrude them, and as a bonus, cold welding is very easy in space
If sentient robots ever decide to take over it'll be because we built them to, not only be like us, but with a directive to protect us, ironically as a safety measure for us. After they see the way we treat each other, that will be more than enough justification to correct what they will likely see as flaws in our programming. I dont think people really get how different a cold, emotionless, purely analytical robot mind would think.
Self conscious / self aware topic: we have artificial intelligence that's already smarter than us. If those machines became sentient / self-aware would they pose a threat? The animal kingdom is not a comparable analogy as animals don't have that conscious ability, it would be more compared to humans. We have treated humans badly, aware that they are fully conscious and the watershed moment was the revolutions. Animals do not have that ability because they're not completely conscious; take a cattle for example, a several several hundred pound bull could escape a ranch, if it had the conscious ability to do so, but it doesn't, it's content with where it's at.
That's one beautiful robot
Come back soon Chuck. PLEASE!!!!!
I miss Chuck
Is it just me or is Neil’s voice getting deeper? 😳
@livinginthisgalaxy7961
2 жыл бұрын
And his hair is fully black again!
@jessewilson8676
2 жыл бұрын
He is playing a part. Talking about robot reproduction with two women he might be subconsciously deepening his voice to appear as a more suitable mate.
@luvbeans405
2 жыл бұрын
@@jessewilson8676 😳🥵
One bird can flock by himself. But later he goes blind 🙄 Speaking about flocking... I didn't hear anything, what Kate said. I was too distracted by her gorgeous, wonderful, warm and charming smile 😍
Neil: robots can't do construction.. Me: looks like this 3d printer is smarter than A.I. Well I guess we're safe. Google Assistant: Don't be so sure. Me:Ahhhh.....
@ANOLDMASTERJUKZ
2 жыл бұрын
They will be master constructors in due time. It is Destany !.
@MaryAnnNytowl
2 жыл бұрын
@@ANOLDMASTERJUKZ *destiny
@rogerdogger6969
2 жыл бұрын
@@ANOLDMASTERJUKZ better check out some of the latest vids here on youtube it will blow your mind there are LOTS of them
Woohoo!!
What happened to "keep looking up" to end these with? Made me sad, not hearing it as a sign-off. 😔
@unnamedchannel1237
2 жыл бұрын
He got in trouble for telling a guy that was holding a ladder for a girl climbing that ladder. The girl was wearing a short skirt
Pure intellect/logic without conscience is a fatal weapon. Combine it with intention and that's when there's a clear danger.
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Me: expects a normal Star Talk episode. Niel: "And how, and what, and WHY? And are we aLL GOING TO DIE?!" Me: "Okay, I can go along with this."
I still haven't heard a response to the question will A.I. be able to make its own decisions. And If so what's to stop A.I. from deciding that humans are no longer necessary
@evanvoss1380
2 жыл бұрын
THIS! Let’s not beat around the bush and ask basic questions. This is the most important question that needs to be asked.
@evanvoss1380
2 жыл бұрын
Also it sounds like this guest wants you to buy her book to get those answers…
@ 24:00 ON the subject of WAR, if mankind can not abandon the need to conduct WAR, we all gonna die !.
@MaryAnnNytowl
2 жыл бұрын
Well, we will all die eventually, anyway. You mean an apocalypse or total destruction, instead of just "we're all gonna die!!1!`1!!"
Oh, Dr. Darling is extremely well-looking.
@uchicha666
2 жыл бұрын
Yepp and her surname is perfect for this episode
@kebab4755
2 жыл бұрын
Simppp!!
@uchicha666
2 жыл бұрын
@@kebab4755 your momma
"All right I wii call you an ambulance now" You know it's been prediced in a TV Series "Get Smart" where one character was a robot. They told him to answer the door so he walked to the door and said "Hi door. Can you repeat the question?"
Surprised Neil didn't mention species bias, seeing as he recently made an entire explainer video on it
@ 35:00 Futurama
Human being are simply animal but robot are image of human being intellect
Hey Niel. Could you please share your thoughts on this? We coincide with a shadow verse made of energy that echoes with everything in this one. The complicated physics of it distinguish between what is allowed to exist ruled by another kind of nature. A back door platform that pops in and out of every single macromolecule of matter making what see and witness factual. We can only perceive ourselves in one space as this life yet as life we are connected and charge from it when we sleep. When life energy dies in this dimension your shadow interaction no loner needs charging. Free from your organic self you become a complete version of energy separated from the continuing interaction of this realm. Memory is never lost there are only lost connections. it is possible to rebuild lost connections and gain back missing memory from your echoed self. Memory is a physical interaction that is limited by human DNA in this dimension. Once you exist as a complete version no longer needing those neural pathways to access what you can t you become every single thought and situation your brain conceived including instinct that comes into focus brining on a new understanding to the nature of another realm. The other realm charges the atoms ability to project a hologram. inside the nucleus of an atom is a chamber gateway of a clustered sequences that gives coordinates to multiple singularities in space that admits as waves giving it properties. splitting an atom breaks that chamber unleashing the full power of what generates the wave before it closes within milliseconds A new element will admit properties that when split back disappear to separate individual original properties.
🇺🇲 Thank you for your service 🕯️
Why didn't anybody speak about neural link and GPT 3 in this. Was a very suitable example in many of these examples.
Chuck..?
If "beings and the spectrum" is the seed of the robot just like real beings, then i don't see why not have a few as to not overpopulate yet attain aid
"Questioning itself is conciousness" - K.A.R
@50:02: It's very common for Iranian/Persian girls to be part of the punk or goth scene! Here in Canada, we've got tons, esp. "Foroogh Atash", who is a goth-heavy metal bellydancer!
Can you do an episode about food with a chef guest
Kate is funny and nice😀😀😀😀
This episode remindes me of the plot from Horrizon Zero Dawn video game!
Dr. K.D the smartest person here... by an order of magnitude
So many AI things i hear about are actually expert systems. If the computer is (neutral) 'taught' to do a task, to many programs keys on a different clues. A program to detect tanks hiding in a forest, actually detected the 1st set of learning photos with tanks were photos were taken on an overcast days. They had to change the photos to find the correct tank keys.
Please bring back Chuck. He´s not only funny but engaging as well. This parrot just pretend to be a comediant. Feel sorry for her.
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for you. She has a life of not ripping on people. She is making a paycheck while you bully her. So what... you don't lie, her. Move on.
@voxmagnus1556
2 жыл бұрын
@@morbidmanmusic I feel sorry for you, you don't believe anyone should have an opinion.
@smrtdis
2 жыл бұрын
@@morbidmanmusic Is that you Nagin?
Once again the answer to eveything... 42.. minutes in 😀
What if a robot needs a connection to other robots or people and goes to an area of the country or world that does not have the net?
@unnamedchannel1237
2 жыл бұрын
Starlink
Does Leighann Lord still help Neil host StarTalk?
We'll never get AI ethics right. Why? We can't agree amongst us humans what's moral or not. Sometimes even between family members.
A robot drug would be the internet, as it is with some people now.
Construction workers definitely will replace by robots in the future. Big fan of Neil deGrasse how could he miss that geez.
"It's up to us", "it's where we want it to go" that's a cop out, since when has anything in the world gone the way we want it to go? The world we live in has been shaped this way by many people that have made selfish or thoughtless decisions by people with more power than they deserve. Only takes a few bad eggs to mess up everything.
Robots will be here sooner than you think
As far as human treatment robots go, I sometimes surprise myself when I cuss out Alexis for offering to order something when all I want is the temperature outside. It's not a temper issue. It's just that is so damn annoying to ask for one thing and get something else on top of it. That being said, it gives me pause when I think about how I'd treat a more sophisticated robot.