In brief: How to sound deep and intelligent, while still just talking nonsense… if you can’t convince them, confuse them.

@Larry_left_a_comment

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Make a very complicated sounding answer to simple question. His wife must hate it when she asks if she should wear a blue dress or a black one.

@john-hughboyd233

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the old "“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”........ EXACTLY! Peterson just does after swallowing a thesaurus.

@themousethatroared3371

2 жыл бұрын

An old quote by W.C. Fields: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, Baffle them with bullshit."

@soyburglar1878

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely. People like him take advantage of two of the biggest fears common to most people, which are the fear of looking stupid and the fear of not fitting in. Also, consider the fact that most people aren’t highly intelligent, especially in a learned sense. So the default is to assume, “yeah, this is just out of my realm of understanding”, which allows him to just continue the charade.

@user-wp5fe8ec6l

2 жыл бұрын

Sophistry

His climate change explanation is bizarre (and yes I do understand him). Just because he's confusing and doesn't make sense doesn't mean he's on some other level of knowledge. It just means he's confused and is trying to justify his odd beliefs.

@831vik

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed... What I don't grasp is how talk show hosts rag on fellow activists or even other talk radio hosts out there simply because they disagree. It's not like DP here... who blocks and bans people who disagree with his viewpoints. I used to enjoy this podcast until one day, I realized that this guy is so negative most of the time. I still tune in here and there when the topic and by topic. I mean, whomever he's bashing at the time looks interesting. I'll click to watch just like I did today... And then I'm reminded why I don't like to tune in so much 😕

@bjornstahle4652

2 жыл бұрын

@@831vik AH the troll pops it's head out... so noted...

@insertyoutubeusernamehere

2 жыл бұрын

Or he's a grifter who's hit upon a winning formula and successfully monetized it : that a certain percentage of the population will mistake convoluted explanations of even the most banal or spurious ideas for profundity.

@thesprawl2361

2 жыл бұрын

@Sky Gardener It's confusing precisely because it's so idiotic yet he phrases it in his usual 'this is deeply important' tone of voice. A scientific 'model' is _defined_ by the fact that it leaves stuff out. That is inherent to any model. If you didn't leave stuff out you'd just have a copy of something. If I had a model of a weather system that didn't leave stuff out I would no longer have a model I'd have an actual weather system. He's frustratingly banal. The bit where he's talking about 'music' being 'like the world' is painful. It's the kind of weak analogy you think of when you're high and convince yourself it's not as simplistic and stupid as it sounds and is in fact deep and profound.

@joram4115

2 жыл бұрын

On climate change he is aggressively ignorant and anti-intellectual. To say one cannot study or understand a phenomenon unless you incorporate literally all variables into the equation undermines any ability to measure or forecast anything at all. From a scientific perspective what he said is laughable and would get him thrown out of academia (again). If people cannot understand this they need to watch a 5 min video on econometrics and regression analysis.

David, you simply don't understand the GENIUS of his hand gesture salad, which is light years ahead of his word salad genius. Only Italians like Joe can understand

@keybobrob1

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao!

@VyCityMusic

2 жыл бұрын

Italian Dressing lol

@deek64dk

2 жыл бұрын

🤣😂🤣😂👍🏻

@Competitive_Antagonist

2 жыл бұрын

African Americans who move to Africa get called black by the black African locals. I guess Joe and Jordan make somewhat of a point here. There are shades of grey and it is subjective.

@VyCityMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@Competitive_Antagonist ehhhh … they do and they don’t . This would be the equivalent of a non Spanish speaking Latin American traveling to to a Spanish speaking country … you don’t think someone is going to assume solely based on features . There’s no ONE way to look African . I think that’s where their points lack depth .

Jordan keeps making these reductions to the absurd in which he rapidly ties concepts together while asserting that he has understood the essential nature of them. "People are essentially bananas: they are sometimes yellow, sometimes green, bendy and more often than not taller than they are wide. Thus, it follows logically that 'cucumber' is a race, not a creed!"

@fullondeep7176

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@riggmeister

2 жыл бұрын

And don't forget the invisible accordian you are playing vertically while you make this point.

@mikenike4215

2 жыл бұрын

“Believe me this is true…” -JP

@DanielLingham

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right

@Magnusfication

2 жыл бұрын

This is so on point im never going to be able to look at a banana the same way.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" - Coffee mug inspired by Jordan Peterson

@zenrr1

2 жыл бұрын

you won this comment section...lol

@knight2386

2 жыл бұрын

I'd buy that

@ALCRAN2010

2 жыл бұрын

hahaha

@georges3799

2 жыл бұрын

We used to say 'BS baffles brains'.

He's like an argumentative seven year old. No matter what you say, they are going to come up with something and no matter how stupid it is, he's going to think he's right.

@lowkeyelena221

2 жыл бұрын

And then start crying!

@mk177

2 жыл бұрын

I think he is a better liar/maker uper than an infant

@jussilahteenmaki3475

2 жыл бұрын

@@mk177 And crying out louder 🤣

@kathleen8092

2 жыл бұрын

@@mk177 It's the word salad. So many toppings.

@mk177

2 жыл бұрын

@@kathleen8092 exactly he hides his nonsense so well that part is stage-art, other stuff is just utter BS obv.

4:10 I believe I might be understanding where Peterson is coming from on this in saying it's "everything". This sounds more like saying that "Climate" is determined be too many factors (human activity, solar activity, animals, tectonic plates, and a pile of other incalculable forces), and because we can't know EVERYTHING he's trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater and say "Sure you can look at what humans are doing, but we can't account for the African Wildebeast!". It's a smokescreen of "because we can't know everything we can't know ANYTHING". This is utter impractical epistemological nonsense that is often used by theists in debates with atheists.

Here's a good rule of thumb: if someone is actually smart, language is not something thats holding that person back from getting their point across.

@Wallyworld30

2 жыл бұрын

This isn't correct at all. There have been autistic mathematical savants that could barely communicate.

@Magnusfication

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wallyworld30 i said its a rule of thumb. Not that it applies to everyone.

@Wallyworld30

2 жыл бұрын

@@Magnusfication Communication skills are it's own category. You can be a brilliant communicator yet terrible at problem solving. Certainly there isn't a 1:1 correlation with IQ and Communication skills. It's actually quite rare that we get someone that is a great communicator and brilliant. That's why people like Carl Sagan and Christopher Hitchens were so beloved.

@Rubberbandfan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Magnusfication It isn’t even a really good rule of thumb, language doesn’t even scratch the surface of experience, most experiences are ineffable.

@feynmanschwingere_mc2270

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rubberbandfan1 Verbal Intelligence is REAL intelligence. Language is fundamental. Read more Wittgenstein. Your capacity to express what you are thinking IS a form of intelligence. I don't why there's a bias towards assuming "mathematical" thinking is somehow superior/higher/greater than other aspects of cognition. The overlap between polyglots and those with enhanced mathematical cognition also presents interesting connections that suggest the capacity for language is fundamental to how the mind functions. Most people who suffer from autism are correctly deemed to have a disability because their capacity for expression is hamstrung by their learning disorder. Yes, there are plenty of mathematical savants who have some cognitive disorder/disability, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule. Most of EVERYTHING is ineffable. Most of what we deem as the most precise systems of language are themselves approximations - even mathematics is not apriori internally consistent as Godel's Incompleteness Theorem shows. But getting your point across IS a form of intelligence - go read anything ever written by the likes of Galileo, Einstein, Descartes, Shakespeare, von Neumann, Lagrange etc. Go read Leibniz. Very, very, very high verbal intelligence in addition to their other cognitive gifts. If you're intelligent, it will generally show in how you express your ideas. PERIOD. The exceptions prove the rule.

This reminds me of the saying: “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”

@silaspitch9485

2 жыл бұрын

Word.

@charliekowittmusic

2 жыл бұрын

You just don’t get Peterson. Bullshit is really the archetypal synthesis of Taurus, meaning man is trapped in a labyrinth. And Faecius which represents organic life’s ability to rise from the soil! Therefore, Peterson is only the *archetype* of being filled to the brim with Bullshit.

@roseannpruett1575

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't dazzle me. He does baffle me to the point why would anyone listen to him in the first place?! Or Joe, for all that matters?

@monopalle5768

2 жыл бұрын

Would recomend you guys check out his work, its free on youtube, a lot of it.... You should not dismis a character like that, because your tv host lines up a few clips for you... He has a MASSIVE catalog, that has inspired millions.

@slcpunk2740

2 жыл бұрын

@@charliekowittmusic bingo! 🐂💩

Jordan Peterson is the cautionary tale of what happens when one smells his own farts for too long.

@deanellis3468

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, good one.

@comanchio1976

2 жыл бұрын

"Auto-fart-inhalation-psychosis aka J.Peterson Syndrome" 👍

@PaulK365

2 жыл бұрын

So that's how I can be like him?

@krisscanlon4051

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my you got me to smile

@MatteoPrezioso

2 жыл бұрын

LOL

If you extrapolate out his thought process, then we could never know anything about anything.

@dragmio

2 жыл бұрын

Well, you don't know anything about anything. Nobody does. Socrates said it first. But what does Socrates know? You get your opinions from Cardi B.

@JonLipton

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragmio pls tell me this is satire

@dragmio

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonLipton No, it's a tragedy. You Murrican dimwits really do prefer Cardi B to Socrates.

@tombreckinridge6218

2 жыл бұрын

Who’s Cardi B?

@jemert96

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently math and statistics are not things that exist, everything is just a random guess

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean-neither more nor less."

I stopped listening to him long ago. If people can't see through this guys grift, I feel sorry for you. Let me put it to you this way, he is a genuine South Park character come to life.

@Gantali9305

2 жыл бұрын

I actually think when he started he was twice the man he is now. The man i used to watch give lectures is not the same man in this interview.

@vickiharrington8870

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@BaithNa

2 жыл бұрын

The real question is, why did you ever listen to him to begin with?

@bdjshwbwhdhh1991

2 жыл бұрын

@@BaithNa - he is not a bad psychology lecturer when he is explaining other peoples work, he is just crap at everything else.

@whybenorman

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan. Your statement applies to both 😉

I'm convinced Jordan Peterson has to redefine everything (i.e. the definition of climate, skin color, music, etc.) because J.P. can't handle the world around him and needs to create his own reality.

@Bickle121

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on. He takes basic words or common understandings of a word and just makes up his own bullshit. Like When he talks religion, he defines GOD as everything that is good and then it’s impossible to debate because it’s meaningless

@scrubjay93

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bickle121 That just reminded me of when Bill O'Reilly made a fool of himself on his show when he said "Tide goes in, tide goes out, nobody knows why!" insinuating that it was God and not knowing what really causes tides. These people think anything THEY PERSONALLY don't understand must be the work of supernatural forces.

@Bickle121

2 жыл бұрын

@@scrubjay93 yeah they full of shit

@Llucius1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bickle121 So God is now a common understanding now ?

@shacktime

2 жыл бұрын

NAILED IT🙌🏼

Rogan’s fawning sycophancy in the face of low-brow right wing BS is sickening.

@alishaheedmohammad

2 жыл бұрын

Yes thanks. Perfectly verbalise why I cant listen to jre anymore

He seems to spend a hell of a lot of time going to great lengths to make entirely irrelevant distinctions between things.

@Jay-xh9dl

2 жыл бұрын

That’s generally what Psychologists do.

@ijechuks4300

2 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is patterns recognition is a quintessential human trait, we love to see patterns in things, even if they’re just not there or a mere coincidence

@therealbs2000

2 жыл бұрын

relevancy is kind of a judgment call, isn't it?

@jurgengosch3915

2 жыл бұрын

@@therealbs2000 I'm talking about things apparently irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

@therealbs2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@jurgengosch3915 lol indeed. that's the beauty of neurodiversity isnt it? something david pakman seems to be utterly intolerant of

As somebody who does mathematical modeling for a living, it is painfully clear to me, that Peterson doesn't have the slightest idea about it.

@tokyo333

2 жыл бұрын

Same but as a meteorologist.

@silaspitch9485

2 жыл бұрын

Big ups, my friend. Even on the level of analytical philosophy, his concepts of truth are entirely incoherent. Moving into my line of work, biochemistry, he becomes a flaming dumpster of willful, flailing nonsense.

@arshputz

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is that mathematical modeling is so abstract and complicated. Imagine if he, with this confidense, critiqued the works of mechanics and plumbers. "You can't model the movement of fluids, because fluids are made up of drops and you can't model every drop, there's just too many. That's why you will always have leaks. " And then when a mechanic points out that he wouldn't have leaks if he just left the job to profesionals, people would come to his defence. "It's just your opinion. He's actualy very smart and was making a profound point about nature of oil change, that you just don't understand"

@Akiraspin

2 жыл бұрын

Let's see those citations bud.

@silaspitch9485

2 жыл бұрын

@@Akiraspin Citations for what, exactly?

Jordan Peterson is 100% a kids in the hall character played by Kevin McDonald.

@matwinner9708

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂my god so true

@thepolarphantasm2319

2 жыл бұрын

@@matwinner9708 and his daughter is Bruce McCullough in a wig.

@kodiekulp

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he was like the kid in your class that eats chalk and tells everyone how smart his mom says he is

@Ojja78

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit. This is gold.

@yoredeerleader

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds a lot more like Scott Thompson

I’ve listened to his stuff and he’s a smart guy but this is like a stoned 9th grader being like “but what is life” 😂 🤦🏻‍♂️

@homosexualpanic

2 жыл бұрын

He's really not though!

@editname3502

2 жыл бұрын

@@homosexualpanic I think you are right

@WildeMike49

2 жыл бұрын

40 seconds from 3 hours, it's the definition of selective editing. Granted, peterson isn't perfect when talking on topics distant from his expertise, but let's take a moment to remember this: for all his faults, he's never dishonest or deceitful and the world would be a better place if all public personalities engaged such good faith. Peterson has thousands of hours of recorded material on the web and the best Pakman Jones can do (it's kind of his MO) is to clip a dozen seconds here and there with heavy framing before, during, and after.

@editname3502

2 жыл бұрын

@@WildeMike49 I’ve listened to so many of his lectures and so many are amazing and I’d say normally he’s a really smart guy , so I agree but out of context even these are some dreadfully stupid comments. So it doesn’t make me think “well we all have bad days” or “maybe he was on something “ it merely makes me doubt all of what I’ve heard him say prior. That’s coming from someone who loved to quote this guy so I’m in reality disappointed this sucks hearing him say really ignorant stuff :( , but that’s just me

@WildeMike49

2 жыл бұрын

@@editname3502 a few thoughts: 1-ideas have people, not the other way around. If you found those other ideas valuable, they're valuable independent of their vessel. 2-is it wise to judge someone by their selectively-edited worst? 3-is it wise to trust someone who demands we do just that? I hate to break it to you but David Pakman isn't a particularly upright fellow. Go watch the full interview and see if pakman's edit affected your opinion. This is pakman's 'formula'. 4-off the cuff conversation on intricate topics far from one's expertise can be, surprise, difficult to articulate effectively or even accurately during improv 5-imagine how Peterson would respond if you expressed that you don't agree with his take. 6-now imagine how pakman would respond if you questioned his. I save lives and believe 9/11 was ** ****** *** -shrugs- one doesn't invalidate the other and I'd like to think I'm still a pretty decent guy. But man, anyone telling you that there's something wrong with the good I do for you because of a few wacky takes is a snake.

Totally agree. I suppose I’m a Jordan Peterson "fan", but I cant support his environment and healthcare nonsense. I’ve studied Geography for 7 years. Jordan Peterson does not understand.

@tseng9

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not really trying to come at you here, but what's your stance on the bigotry?

@costacoffee4life665

2 жыл бұрын

@@tseng9 it’s wrong???

@tseng9

2 жыл бұрын

@@costacoffee4life665lol You listed environment, and health care, but ignored the bigotry. Just checking, because that's not a deal breaker for a lot of people these days.

@costacoffee4life665

2 жыл бұрын

@@tseng9 righttt. Yes I think bigotry is wrong. It’s a shame that post-ill Jordan Peterson is different and arguably resentful. The very thing he warns of becoming.

@joekerins9772

2 жыл бұрын

The antidote to Jordan Peterson fandom is having your own, empirical, educated understanding of the subjects he touches on. For me it was listening to him talk about Postmodernism; I went from "this guy seems pretty smart" to "that's not it at all, what the fuck are you talking about?"

I've tried to give Peterson the benefit of the doubt more than once, listening to many lectures and discussions. The man is a master of making simple things sound complex; for many who want to feel smart without all the effort, it's accessible "intellectualism".

@elosoguapo8137

2 жыл бұрын

Yep he says a lot of stupid things that sound profound to people who want to hear bad ideas explained in a way that masquerades as academic and intelligent

@pieterfaber24

2 жыл бұрын

The master of turning garbled verbiage into verbal garbage!

@slcpunk2740

2 жыл бұрын

I sense a pattern here. The world is patterns. Pattern pattern pattern. And now it's lost all its meaning. Aren't words fun? 🤣

@jasonphillip1966

2 жыл бұрын

Loves a substrate…. 😂😂😂

@justwatchingffs371

2 жыл бұрын

Nah you just think you know it all, but in reality you don't understand half the stuff he's talking about lol

It's really incredible to see him describe a model as exactly the opposite of what it's supposed to be. In science and engineering we use models because they're effective ways to simplify problems by only paying attention to the few variables that matter. When you study physics for the first time you don't take into consideration air resistance, or the effect of the Moon's gravity, or relativity, or a million other things. That's because, as it turns out, those things don't matter when you want to know how fast a ball is going to move after you kick it. They have an effect, as does everything else, but it's not relevant for the problem at hand so we decide to not measure it. We model the motion of the ball, and therefore are able to predict where it will end up. It's no different for more complex systems. He has to know this stuff and intentionally decides to mislead. Really insidious.

@olatron

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this... very well put

@FlatlandMando

2 жыл бұрын

I like your use of analogy to illustrate your point about the kicked ball. AND if after scrupulous study of the main points you might say the Coriolis force has an effect on that ball you can then duly examine that force...knowing all the while that it is subtle & not "central" to the physics of the ball flying through the air. That is the general movement of scientific inquiry as I understand it

@OldManAndTheSeaOfTooManyCats

2 жыл бұрын

Well put. I’d say though that he doesn’t know enough to have any idea of what he doesn’t know.

@cesarcardoso4265

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldManAndTheSeaOfTooManyCats do you think so? I don't like attributing malice for behavior that can be explained by mere ignorance, but the guy has a PhD in a scientific field. I've seen some of his lectures where he explains somewhat advanced statistical concepts like Factor Analysis pretty well. I really doubt he somehow never stopped to think about this.

@paolariveratirado4296

2 жыл бұрын

@@cesarcardoso4265 I see what you mean, but how do you explain this mumbo jumbo? He says that these models are "the problem with the climate people" - why? My problem with him is that he has "expert" opinions on everything.

He has gone nuts. There had always been value in what he said, even if it was only the issues related to psychology and mental treatment. Now he has become so full of himself he actually thinks everything coming out his mouth is worth listening to. It's crazy the same way actors think their opinions are worth more than shit, or the way sport stars believe to be above the rules. Jordan Peterson believes he is the truth bearer.

@aaronz.

2 жыл бұрын

You nailed it. I used to take a few valuable things away from him, but this interview makes me embarrassed to have ever taken him seriously. It does seem like parody, and is indeed word salad.

@iverson5164

2 жыл бұрын

It's. A. Con. Ver. Station. That's it.

@joshuadahn9031

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Should have stayed in his lane. Now spreading misinformation about topics he knows nothing about. Loved his books & lectures, too sad what fame made him become

“Music is an analog of the structure of existence itself.” This is classic JP word salad. Hilarious.

@slaterslater5944

2 жыл бұрын

If beef be the food of love, then that's all I'm going to eat.

@Kyoto99952

2 жыл бұрын

''Music is synonymous with life'' you've never heard of that? In that their underlying structure must be harmonious in order to produce greatness? You don't know what analog means? Analog: ''a person or thing seen as comparable to another''. What's so difficult to understand about that? You even tried 1 second to understand what JP is saying? Or are you the typical (extreme) leftist with your fingers in your ears. So ironic how they talked about exactly. You don't LISTEN.

@boblangford5514

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kyoto99952 Nothing is difficult about it at all. Yes, I understand it, and it’s not nearly as deep as you want to believe it is. It’s surface level mental masturbation that 19 year-old college sophomores discuss in philosophy club while high.

@Channel83392

2 жыл бұрын

This i actually get. It sounds like String Theory how Michio Kaku talks about the symphony of physical laws of nature

@slaterslater5944

2 жыл бұрын

@@Channel83392 Yes, it's like when an interior designer talks about fabric. It sounds just like Einstein talking about space/time doesn't it?

9:00 "they are going after comedy for a literal representation of what the words mean" ... says the guy who just tried to make a point out of white people not being LITERALLY white.. the lack of self awareness is actually quite impressive at this point - well done Joe.

@estebanb7166

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@awesomelipe8396

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting how everyone here agrees with these two on this point and somehow are mad about it.

@PatriotischerWiderstandAfD

2 жыл бұрын

So...? Comedy should not be taken literally. White people are not white literally. The problem is where?

The "mmms" David makes when Jordan starts sounding ridiculous kills me every time.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

"The world is full of patterns and the music calls to your body. And now you know why I wore this tuxedo. We're getting married Joe, and then later- We dance!" -honest jbp

“Music is like the world.” J E E N Y U S

@9000ck

2 жыл бұрын

If music is like the world then its also everything. Like the climate.

@dragmio

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Pythagoras said that and he was genius.

@the_skyward

2 жыл бұрын

@@9000ck Hence Music is Climate 😂

Mathematical models are useless in explaining climate change but "the world is patterns".

Jordan Peterson has been referred to as "the stupid man's smart person" and the" professor of piffle"

@zapkvr

2 жыл бұрын

Ah Deepak Chopra

@karlcarlsburg9641

2 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine told me to check him out in like 2018, but I already knew he was an idiot. Fast forward a couple years, that same friend is now anti-vax, anti-mask. Surprise surprise.

@tvdinner325

2 жыл бұрын

He looks like he just came from making balloon animals, at a children's party.

@-RandomBiz-

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to leave that remark again! Lol If I could trademark "stupid man's smart person" I would.

@BiffTannenBTTF

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. He seems smart to sort of dim people who haven't ever listened to smart people talk. In other words, people who have never been past the 8th grade.

don't worry.... Peterson is incoherent... his statements are fluffy BS so you are right to criticise him

@nejuw

2 жыл бұрын

So so true!

@briannerk3373

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Peterson just expresses truisms like "having discipline is important to success" and then packages it in Jungian and psychological literary jargon to make it look profound. His supposedly radical philosophy is to just "go back to old-fashioned values of hard work and pull yourself up by your bootstraps!"; Peterson is a fucking joke.

@50jakecs

2 жыл бұрын

I've tried to listen to Peterson but it sounds like he vomited a thesaurus but still says nothing. You have to work hard to use that many big words in one run-on sentence and still say nothing of substance. I am an attorney in the U.S. and if I wrote the way Peterson speaks: 1) my 2 page letters would be 10 pages and 2) judges would get mad at me for wasting their time.

@thunderpooch

2 жыл бұрын

You can't predict climate, because one cannot accurately account for apple cider usage [slow plodding Kermit the Frog voice]

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

yeah but i would be disappointed too if Joe didn't also wear a tuxedo to his podcast :P

JP: I’m just building my brand JR: I just take a cut

That last bit regarding the exhibit on the Bible was rough. I mean my preschooler can describe what he saw at the local science center better than that

My first year in college my English 101 teacher told us "pretentious wording" was the fastest way to immediately fail a paper we handed in. It made me so conscious of people using word salad to sound like they are brilliant, when really they're just trying to run away from the question. Jordan Peterson really could've used a spot in that class.

@WhizzRichardThompson

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on. I said something similar above.

@seniorxj2931

2 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯

@Aashka_The_Mystic

2 жыл бұрын

After I leaned about Narcissism, I became familiar with word salad too. More often than not, narcissists will do this to either confuse people or try to sound like they know what they are talking about or both

@rayraygoreng6264

2 жыл бұрын

Just yesterday i was watching peterson speak with matt dillahunty. The latter used clear, plain language. Peterson just deflects criticism by inventing his own arcane terminology and insults the audience by claiming a person has to read 50+ books to.understand what he's referring to.

@jool7793

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that Dillahunty debate too. Matt destroyed him.

Peterson has become a parody of himself, he's leaning in heavily into contrarian territory now he seems to understand it's an economically viable model

@zapkvr

2 жыл бұрын

Enda you nailed it precisely

@BaithNa

2 жыл бұрын

But he's always been doing that. I think some people are just old enough to see it now.

@tvdinner325

2 жыл бұрын

He looks like he just came from making balloon animals, at a children's party.

@slashtrio

2 жыл бұрын

@@BaithNa yea, but it’s been a progression in that direction. I have never cared him but used to think he was at least sincere (even though I might disagree with him). Now he’s just a celebrity “intellectual” who has been captured by the right. I mean anytime you drop Tucker Carlson’s name in any kind of positive way you know you have lost all credibility.

@Xpistos510

2 жыл бұрын

Go to him for Psychology. Politically, economically, and in meterology/climatology, ignore him. You'd be losing brain cells.

JP runs from reality, throwing word salads behind him as he runs, hoping they will stop reality from catching up with him.

Peterson talks like this when he becomes sober meanwhile the rest of us talk like this when we're high.

@futurestoryteller

2 жыл бұрын

This take is starting to annoy me, pretty sure people who are high tend to make more sense.

Absolutely hilarious! He’s been told far too often he is a genius he now believes his own reputation.

@Domzdream

2 жыл бұрын

He’s a fool. A clever fool, but…a fool.

@drts6955

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, He's really gone off the deep end ffs lol Does he not understand basic climate science? You could apply the same argument to any climate model such as El Nino, the Gulf Stream or why the west coast of South America is desert-like.... Does he not understand why winters in Alberta are colder than same latitudes in Europe :/

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

He's a master troll, packing so much stupid into a 4 hour podcast it would takes years and stacks of books to unpack. The collective body of global climate science, over the course of centuries- like why did you guys pick these variables and stuff? You can't model everything I had the same discussions with pothead friends in the 1990's.

@50jakecs

2 жыл бұрын

Which one are you talking about? Rogan or Peterson?

@anecdotal_mattybs5435

2 жыл бұрын

@@50jakecs both now you say it 😂

The best part is Joe believing he is understanding everything Jordan is saying.

@randallholloway8686

2 жыл бұрын

📠😂 I love how easy it is to identify a fucking idiot these days. Joe is like "mmm" "right, right" lmfao. It reminds me of when you're having a drunk/high/under the influence of something conversation, and you think everything is soooooo smart. Except theyre just high off their own turds and privilege imo. I actually bought Peterson's book years ago in my 20s, I kept it as a reminder of this kinda stuff lmao

@tommaso99

2 жыл бұрын

I dno bud... i get the impression that inside his head he's saying "wtf is this guy talking about?!". I listened to most of the episode last night... it can best be described as a rambling soliloquy. Rogan can barely get a word in. Peterson is not a well man... he's clearly quite deranged.

@aspookyfox

2 жыл бұрын

Alfred Pennyworth sounds like his brain is mush

@TheBeautyAround

2 жыл бұрын

@@tommaso99 Agreed! I think he needs help but I know he'll never get it. He would have to admit that something is wrong with him.

@tommaso99

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBeautyAround spot on.

Breaking down reality to an unterstandable amount of parameters is very much the definition of a model😂😂

@bauchii

2 жыл бұрын

But the model you choose to study doesn't matter, right?

@jhonklan3794

Жыл бұрын

Also climate is not everything. Its whether events measured over a long period of time. Thats a very specific and measurable thing.

I remember a conversation about black/white when I was a young kid too... How embarrassing.

@haydenbeckwith1990

2 жыл бұрын

Bro it really ain’t that serious they just dudes on a random podcast laughing about how stupid it is that we divide people into black and white or why we care about the color of someone’s skin by pointing out obvious semantics. Stop tryna sound so intelligent by over analyzing it acting like it’s their mission statement on how to solve racial inequality. Touch some grass bro trust me it ain’t that deep

@dylanarcher6279

Жыл бұрын

@@haydenbeckwith1990 100% it's just a way of attacking people over a clear use of sarcasm

"This is how you play tennis without the net." - Sam Harris

@firefly9838

2 жыл бұрын

Sam Destroyed this Loser

Sadly what we have here are two media personalities that have had their egos stroked so much that at this point they are starting to believe their own bullshit. When they get into a room together like this it's just a circlejerk session. When humility leaves the room, so does thoughtfulness, and finally logic. Peterson's always been a hypocrite though, screw him.

@john-hughboyd233

2 жыл бұрын

"starting to"????????????

@scottward1002

2 жыл бұрын

@@john-hughboyd233 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@zeecee5881

2 жыл бұрын

BINGO!

@rgdssd

2 жыл бұрын

The best description of what I am seeing and hearing! 100% correct.

@rhysperegrine5100

2 жыл бұрын

As an MMA fan, I've spent a lot of time watching Rogan interact with other MMA guys and they treat him like some kind of great intellect. Dana White recently called him 'brilliant'. Basically, he's a big turd in a small toilet bowl and it's all gone to his head.

Jordan Peterson is what you get when an outdated Thesaurus screws last week’s Subway salad.

@alalducente

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@stevec6427

2 жыл бұрын

If you think he's bad you should look up Jacob Rees-Mogg. He's a right wing politician here in the UK and is basically Jordan Peterson taken to an extreme level.

@monharris28

2 жыл бұрын

😆

Jordan Peterson wearing a tux to Joe Rogan’s podcast gives me “The Room” vibes. Like the scene where they’re all playing football in an alley wearing tuxedos for absolutely no reason

That conversation was off the rails, especially Rogan grunting in response to Peterson's nonsense. It's like a philosophy undergrad got high and started sharing his DEEP insights with a caveman.

@talhasasneh

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment on this thread lololol

@silaspitch9485

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit, bro, that's funny. Facts.

@samus598

2 жыл бұрын

"Fire is actually a metaphysical stew, Uggg, it comes from dark dragon in forest of chaos." Ugg: mmmmmmm *nods in agreement*

@sonyaj66

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit - this is so spot-on 😂😂🙌🏼 ! I'd never thought about Rogan as a caveman...until I read your comment. He really is a caveman when you give it some thought.

I remember a t-shirt in the 80's that said "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit." Jordan Peterson made an entire career out of that motto!

@crystalhazer7246

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the mentality of a lot of ppl these days honestly. Love the quote tho. I'll remember it forever

@Argonaut121

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit baffles brains, as they say.

@anovosedlik

2 жыл бұрын

I NEED that shirt

@anabelgonzalezlerma6143

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not even a native English speaker and I don’t find Jordan hard to understand. Maybe you need to read more to increase your vocabulary?

@AnthonyJohnson-hs3xs

2 жыл бұрын

@@anabelgonzalezlerma6143 lol! It’s not that he’s hard to understand, it’s that what he’s saying is nincompoopery.

We have a word in spanish for what Peterson does: verborrea. Basically word diarrhea. The art of saying nothing using a lot of words to sound "academic".

Peterson thinks because he's knowledgeable about some things he knows about everything. Dude is spiraling down into madness.

@mattbrown292

2 жыл бұрын

I think the spiral into madness is inevitable when you you turn everything into philosophy but think you are talking about objectives like Jordan Peterson does. Also some of his extrapolations remind me of a conspiracy theorist, but applied to things other than the government.

@jhonklan3794

Жыл бұрын

He has a huge hero-persecutory complex. Probably motivated by/desire to be a christ like figure. His woo is more nonsensical than the woke doctrine he decries.

Love how fired up this got you, David. Peterson really talks out of his ass a lot. Word salad doesn't do it justice.

@50jakecs

2 жыл бұрын

More like vomiting a dictionary. Peterson really knows how to use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. It's like that Friend's episode where Joey used a thesaurus to write a letter to help Chandler and Monica adopt a child, except Joey actually had a positive point to his letter. Peterson's only point is to use big words and convoluted sentences to trick people into thinking he's smart for whatever grift he's running.

@giovannito858

2 жыл бұрын

@@50jakecs absolutely right. jp is the master of saying fancy things that make him sound smart.

@coreyf1204

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson takes simple concepts, makes them complex, thinks he's brilliant.

@kathleen8092

2 жыл бұрын

@@50jakecs OMG that episode! You nailed it 😂😂

@rage2904

2 жыл бұрын

I like your username. Kurt Vonnegut and Theodore Sturgeon, both very interesting authors

From a clinical psychological perspective, Peterson has all the markers of someone about to become much more religious.

@Xpistos510

2 жыл бұрын

He's not religious. At least not likely, anyway. His position on Christianity has elevated his position with the American Right Wing, and made him a useful propaganda tool to mobilize votes for the GOP. Peterson knows that standing up to people like Sam Harris is... very... rational... $$$$

@MAF83580

2 жыл бұрын

His discussion on the Bible definitely had me wondering if he is beginning a new religious path. Definitely want to keep an eye on if Rogan starts subscribing to that Bible rhetoric and if he starts going down a religious path himself. It would be on brand and monetarily advantageous with his increase in conservative viewers. Would be really telling on where Rogan ends up ideologically going forward. I’m still on the fence with if he will continue making this path toward broader right wing ideologies.

@kathleen8092

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true. Daughter found God recently. Grab the eveangelicals. Look what it did for Trump.

@redefiningmyself8598

2 жыл бұрын

@@MAF83580 he has all the markers of a resentful drug addict caught in the cycle of relapses and sprees. He needs a licensed therapist and a good NA sponsor to kick him into humility and recovery.

@skycryztals

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xpistos510 I believe I've heard JP say some very religious things. I believe he is Christian if I'm not mistaken? or are we talking about something else?

Peterson and Rogan together. It's a trainwreck just waiting to happen.

peterson:"Everything's motivated by power!" Joe: what about painting? Peterson: "yes because you want to climb up the socioeconomic hierarchy." Joe "WITH PAINTING!?!?

@vogelvogeltje

2 жыл бұрын

A certain Austrian painter maybe…

@JakeRoque

2 жыл бұрын

You do realize he’s parodying Marxist beliefs at this point in the conversation, right?

@onxiaftw

2 жыл бұрын

he was pointing out how leftist think

@adamroberts9962

2 жыл бұрын

It's ok if you don't understand Jordan. It's ok.

@rosalind1635

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamroberts9962 There is nothing to understand beyond the banalities he dresses up in the emperor's new clothes. If there is some profound thought Jordan Peterson has instilled in you, please share it instead of pretending like you are smarter than people who can see through a fame-hungry charlatan's wordy bullshit.

Dude lives rent free in my head these days because it’s literally like he has lost his mind!!! I also learned what a grifter is. Ex JBP fan.

@Gantali9305

2 жыл бұрын

He has defiantly lost his way.

@CrazyLinguiniLegs

2 жыл бұрын

I used to enjoy Jordan’s classroom videos, but he has gone off the conservative deep end. Rogan’s shortcomings aside, props to him for pressing Peterson a bit on his ridiculous take on global warming.

@Skaterstee

2 жыл бұрын

Same here man, good at teaching other people's work but not great at coming up with his own ideas. I think fame and his hardcore followers have made him go loopy.

@Xpistos510

2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Peterson knows what he's talking about when it comes to *psychology* and to some extent, *philosophy.* When it comes to climate science, economics, and to some extent (U.S.) politics, he has NO idea what he's talking about. Go to him for facts in psychology and self-help. Take everything else with a grain of salt. As for Joe Rogan, go to him for advice on martial arts, fitness, and recreation. He really doesn't know much about anything else that's intellectual.

@Xpistos510

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gantali9305 He certainly has been defiant in his rejection of empirical data, particularly when it comes to climate and economics.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t." -W.C. Fields

@watamatafoyu

2 жыл бұрын

Our electorate is the baffled

@awesomelipe8396

2 жыл бұрын

That for sure it is this video.

@adamthemyth

2 жыл бұрын

The sophistry, oh, that sweet, juicy, sophistry. Socrates would eat him up for tea.

@jamespyke6764

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamthemyth Jim Jefferies sure did. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZiqtZSLlZWXf8o.html

This is what a con artist sounds like when he's successfully pulling off the con.

Peterson is a good example of somebody with developed language intelligence and little logical intelligence. It sounds logical because the language is logically structured. He's not that smart. Rogan is the same. They make a cute couple.

@PatriotischerWiderstandAfD

2 жыл бұрын

Rogan is the same in nothing with Peterson.

@daniellee7108

2 жыл бұрын

@@PatriotischerWiderstandAfD As you say.

That was some serious handwaving JP did, pretty impressive. He managed to say absolutely nothing but sound semi-intelligent if you're ignorant on the topic. I think it's pretty obvious that JP has used a lot of drugs in his time though.

@MiaKatharine

2 жыл бұрын

Could even still be on them 😂

@tombami4276

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiaKatharine he said in the podcast hes still on meds

@Benderbot50

2 жыл бұрын

he literally went into a medically induced coma because he had a benzo addiction

@MiaKatharine

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombami4276 cant speak for OP, but not sure that “meds” was the reference--but ya I can see a benzo addiction

Whenever Peterson makes those convoluted speeches I feel a strong urge to ask him "Can you repeat that?" I'm convinced that he comes up with this stuff on the fly. Kind of like a more elaborate version of Trump.

@biglevian

2 жыл бұрын

yes, trump is the poor man's idea of a rich guy and JP the idiot's idea of a smart man.

@byteresistor

2 жыл бұрын

The intention of people like him is to win a debate, not to seek the truth.

@OldGrey_Cat

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I hadn't noticed, but yes, very Trumpian. Another comment, psych, said he reminds them of clients degenerating into psychosis. Maybe applies to both?

@ananastea

2 жыл бұрын

why is that wrong to come up with certain connections on the fly? it makes the conversation different and alive, i certainly do that and enjoy this particular type of conversations. not when it’s all chaos, but when there’s something unpredictable and not said before in this exact way. i dislike telling stories to friends with the same exact words or discussing something already very clear to me. Peterson has a professorial mode (take lectures) where he repeats himself and the flows of logic, but this podcast is a conversation, it’s supposed to be kinda freeflowing. pretty sure he would repeat himself though if asked. Trump is similar in the sense of the spontaneity of speech, but that kinda ends there - that’s as good of a comparison as me saying you’re like Hitler because of a German-sounding nickname. like yes - but no. too weak of a connection.

He sounds like he’s had a break with reality. Rogan making no attempt to clarify any of the odd word salad.

@Tatarevic23

2 жыл бұрын

Rogan did not make any attempts to clarify things? He asked numeral times Peterson about what he meant, and sounded quite sceptical many times as well.

David, it's important to hear what Micheal Brooks had to say about Peterson. He called it several years ago. Miss you Micheal!

I thought this guy understands statistics from surveys. He also should understand variables and models and also predictions from his own field of psychology. Actually I'm very dissapointed he cant seem to apply high school level learnings here.

@pesco3773

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. We rely on models all the time, unless you can create a complete scale model. Good luck creating a true scale model of Earth.

@Daneelro

2 жыл бұрын

It's not that he can't do it. He is a manipulator. He got on the climate change denialist train when he associated with PragerU (a US far-right propaganda think-tank masquerading as a "university") and is running with it.

@randibgood

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daneelro Even if he doesn't come out and directly say he denies climate change, his word salad ramblings, as intended, create the doubt that would get folks to come back for more of the prageru propaganda.

@vgaportauthority9932

2 жыл бұрын

He knows how it works, he's just keenly aware that his followers do not know... So he can just misrepresent stuff at his leisure and his army of fatherless losers will lap it up.

@mmuschalik

2 жыл бұрын

@@vgaportauthority9932 i hear people are saying that. I don't think he is doing it deliberately. I think he is a psychologist foremost, he seems popular and he likely failed science. He needs to acknowledge this, educate himself and next time he is asked on this topic he better be more equipped.

There's an idea where, if you can't explain something in simple, basic terms, you probably either don't understand it yourself or you're just making stuff up. Peterson gives a clinic on this idea.

@bennyp8363

2 жыл бұрын

Is that why a doctor does 5 years of medical school?

"It's like all patterns, maaaan…" It sounds like he tried good weed for the first time.

For a man who only consumes meat, he really spits up a lot of word salad.

@Brock_CO

2 жыл бұрын

Just because you don't understand complex dialogue doesn't mean he's speaking nonsense. This was actually quite easy to follow.

@marcus9304

2 жыл бұрын

So?

This was high-key embarrassing -- its like he forgot how to communicate basic ideas. Maybe he never could, but this is just so nonsensical...

@roberthorne9597

2 жыл бұрын

BENZOOOOS

@notbrandon721

2 жыл бұрын

I think his brain got even more damaged after his coma.

@spacecase8888

2 жыл бұрын

I always like to know whether any adjective that is being used is low key, high key or middle key. Maybe we could expand this to include the 12 major keys and 12 minor keys.

@ecurb10

2 жыл бұрын

But it's embarraing for BOTH of them! Yep I agree Peterson has gone a bit wacky, but Packman's complaints here were just stupid.

@pauls4235

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberthorne9597 LMAO

Jordan Peterson: what if C-A-T really spelled "dog" Joe Rogan: WHoooooaaa

@Feefa99

2 жыл бұрын

Joe Rogan: "Have you ever tried DMT?"

@larrynielsen8789

2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it!

@ideacastilluminate

2 жыл бұрын

Great Nerds In Paradise reference! The Booger meets Snotty scene might fit well too.

@chuckhaugan4970

2 жыл бұрын

That was like listening to my 2nd grader explain the world: just making it up as he went along. Just painful to listen.

@lulugurl6547

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

I will disagree with David on one thing. Saying that there is a small portion of people that want to censor jokes. Try doing standup at a college. There's a reason nobody has ever recorded a special at a college. Game, set, match. I dare you to find one single special at a college within the last 20 years. Even non-edgy comedians can't do them.

@Kryssthealien

2 жыл бұрын

Bro, you do a special in a venue built for entertainment. With lighting, a sound system, a proper stage. You don't bring high-end TV/Film equipment in a college, lol. "find one single special at a college within the last 20 years." The cancel culture is not 20 years old, so why do you think no one did it before in 1980 or 1990 (answer: read 1st paragraph) And when you film a special, you want a crowd of people who paid to see you. You don't make it hard on yourself by choosing a random crow of kids who are just here because it's free and in the school. Yes, college kids are more PC nowadays but your argument is SO no valid.

@scottb32a

Жыл бұрын

a special at a collage ? Ive never seen one in a toilet either

Peterson loves the sound of his own voice, like Narcissus loved the sight of his own reflection in the water. Anyone who knows about Greek mythology also knows that Narcissus fell into the water as he was so absorbed in his physical image reflected back to him and drowned. Peterson is drowning.

The thing I find the funniest is that Jordan claims the climate is so complex that it can’t be predicted or properly studied but the guy is literally a head doctor and we know less about the brain than we do about the climate. Talk about having a blindspot

@phillipteems6617

2 жыл бұрын

Irony huh

@jamespyke6764

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradthompson5383 We have very good if/then observational data about the climate which Peterson knows SFA about, but not so much about human behaviour. Nice conflation though. It reminds me of a story. There was this Canadian clinical psychologist who had a client. He failed to help client who was disabled and obtained a pension. He turned to drugs and ended up on the streets and from memory committed suicide. Rather than the Canadian clinical psychologist looking internally to see if he could improve his actions he victim blamed and the government for giving this invalid a pension. Then this Canadian clinical psychologist when on a world tour grift reciting nonsense to appeal to his base for $$$$. Such as his childish takes on areas outside his lethal expertise" such as climate change etc where he gets things even more wrong for $$$$$$$$$. But I guess denial and avoiding personal responsibility are human nature. Grifters gotta grift I guess. Can't remember who the Canadian clinical psychologist is, do you? Maybe we could ask Peterson, he might know.

@djinghiskhan9199

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamespyke6764 I think there's a book on it "The 12 steps to Grifting" or something

@tulmar4548

2 жыл бұрын

He's a psychologist which is a behavioural specialist. We have nearly a complete understanding of human behaviour. In fact human behaviour is very basic , we are not complicated beings. But yes he has zero qualifications to talk about anything other than behavioural psychology and 1 or two other things in the realm of psychology he's spent alot of time on.

@cryptoforeveryone2689

2 жыл бұрын

Name me one climate model from 10+ years ago that has come to fruition? One.

This is a fantastic breakdown of pseudo-intellectualism...

@monopalle5768

2 жыл бұрын

By people on youtube... With a cherry picked clip.

@beavis6363

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, mental masturbation.

@hannibalspectre637

2 жыл бұрын

@@monopalle5768 a podcast is essentially a clip in itself yes. We can listen to their dumb*ss-ery and make fun, when they clearly think they’re very clever and big brained and above the rest of us with their knowledge. They’re both trash

@zeecee5881

2 жыл бұрын

HaHa - not quite. It's just stupidity.

@breadyegg

2 жыл бұрын

It was like a deleted scene from Step Brothers. He even had the tux, for chrissakes.

That's yet another reason why I stopped listening to Joe's show years ago, the guy mindlessly nods along with people who he's believes to be smart or right. He rarely challenges them out calls out nonsense, probably because it goes right over his head. This is the guy that has so many people believing his theories on vaccination. Anyone who actually pays attention notices these weird moments he has and how often he gets pulled in by the stealth alt right crew.

@lukej7283

2 жыл бұрын

He constantly challenged Peterson throughout the interview without being rude.

@dcs4947

2 жыл бұрын

He's having a conversation, not a debate, and he constantly challenges views that he thinks are wrong or he doesn't understands. I think the issue here is that you don't know how to have a civil conversation with anyone that doesn't have your point of view, and you don't even try to understand what the person is saying or where they come from with that idea.

I once had a college professor who said that if you use $5 words to describe 50 cent concepts, you sound over confident and under educated.

@fern7306

2 жыл бұрын

Well…. To be fair, most people don’t know the definition of five dollar words… Only 50 Cent words. I agree with the overconfident thing…

My friends and I used to talk just like this.... When we were stoned out of our gourd! 😂

@SpencerWilliamsIV

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, they are stoned out of their gourd.

@monharris28

2 жыл бұрын

lmao same

@Competitive_Antagonist

2 жыл бұрын

Can't finite variables create infinite complexity? Isn't that how fractals are made?

@therealbs2000

2 жыл бұрын

Actually...your friends and you did not talk just like this.

@jamestcatcato7132

2 жыл бұрын

@@Competitive_Antagonist yes indeed,root of chaos theory ,too.

"Music is like the world, and the world's made of patterns." ... Deepak Chopra would be proud. JP is truly the master of saying nothing with many words.

@scrubjay93

2 жыл бұрын

I saw people on twitter highlighting that exact statement as proof that he is a genius. 🤔

@Llucius1

2 жыл бұрын

Do you know how 3D imagine is first created in computers ? It's by using patterns. I would recommend reading books on chaos effect , it will tells you how many thing in real life is structured through simple patterns. There are tons of interesting science behind it and it is all on the internet , feel free to look it up , and thing again about this pharse again. I mean , he might not really know what he is saying , but he got his saying from somewhere. And yes , Music do express the world in many ways. Like atoms , we have quantum physics and macro physics , one that is chaos and the other is beautifully structed and stable. And the world is also true that is made up of pattern and throught pattern human draw relationship between things. Without a pattern , it's hard to understand anything.

@Bobahat

2 жыл бұрын

@@Llucius1 I always thought that the world is a vampire, sent to drain secret destroyers, hold you up to the flames.

@Llucius1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bobahat The world is cruel yet beautiful , nature show us the cruel side of nature and provide us a choice to be human.

He says really simple, uncontroversial things in a way that makes them sound profound and “secret,” like he has uncovered something in plain sight that no one else saw. People, having already understood exactly what he’s “discovered,” think they are in on this deep genius. They feel part of it. I completely understand the draw! I was taken in by it for a time. But after a while he sounds like a broken record. You realize he has the aesthetics of genius without the substance. He’s not an idiot! He’s not a dummy by any means. He’s a published, highly cited academic. But outside of his field, he speaks like a cold reader, making loose and spurious connections between things that aren’t really there. His fans are active listeners, filling all the gaps on their own and crediting him for the insight.

@rawsko0316

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. Thank you

@jagsherdhaliwal3191

2 жыл бұрын

I caught onto his grift three years ago, I was at Uni when he blew up, mis characterising the C-16 bill I knew he was a dummy

@dmob881

2 жыл бұрын

A 'cold reader'...what an excellent description.

@deek64dk

2 жыл бұрын

@@jagsherdhaliwal3191 This is when I thank GOODNESS for internet, KZread and DAVID. Myself being an average nobody 57yr "young" grandma and due to disabilities doesn't get around the world as much as I dreamed I would have in my lifetime....and not what so ever "school smart".😏 I do tend to think I'm atleast half way sane and have something of substance in my little brain....I could have easily traveled down Jorden Peterson's rabbit hole of "hear me speak, I am the all knowing".🤨😟 I happen to know someone that I love and care for very much that is EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT and at his own demise. Has spent a good portion of his life in and out of treatment centers and rehab. After each go around, it's about a month or two sometimes alittle longer that he stays completely sober and clean, but then that over active brain starts getting the best of him and he starts overly dissecting anyone and everyone's intelligence and abilities to treat him correctly. Honestly, I have to say for the most part he's absolutely right. I abserve from afar, " him in California and I in Florida" and I do see it's all about the mighty dollar in the end. So before I know it, he has a complete meltdown over it, goes into a tailspin and tries to drink into oblivion and drowned out his inner intellect that drives him nearly insane. It's a horrible thing to watch, it saddens me completely because while sober, in the beginning everyone loves him, he's so absolutely captivating, charming, kind, there's not any job he can't do and somehow can get the highest paying position.... there's just too many things to mention. And then outta nowhere it all changes. I'm shocked that he's lived as long as he has. I've read about a few other complete geniuses that committed suicide before the age of 30. I think the one thing he has in his corner is the "love of living", I don't know how long he can go on the way he is though..... sometimes he'll just break down in tears like a baby, btw "he's 57" he will just cry and cry and say "I'm so so tired, I'm just so so tired of living this way. No one can help me, their not smart enough", 😔 I'm not so disappointed with myself about being simple minded, not in the least bit. I couldn't ever imagine living the way he does even though he's seen and experienced so many amazing things I haven't, knows many talented people, entertainers, the elites of Hollywood, but nah.... I wouldn't trade my simple life for that ever. 😪

@Competitive_Antagonist

2 жыл бұрын

The closest I ever got to being a fan was finding some of his clips to be quite interesting. I still think he has a lot of valuable things to say, but only in his field of psychology, even then I don't think he's right about everything. I guess it shows how resilient I am as in my current situation, I'm probably ripe for picking. Furthermore, I think I'm too much of a misanthrope to idolize people.

NUTS!!!! DUDDS NUTS!!! I suspect he's still on the benzos. That's how he got over his sickness.... He had no choice but to go back to the drugs.

I remember having that conversation online a few years ago when JP was all the rage. I was claiming that he has a very convoluted way of saying dumb shit, turning anything into a pedantic word salad, gish galloping and tap dancing around the subject when asked simple questions without ever answering those and I was constantly met with a barrage of "you don't understand what he says".

@thedissidentleftist6997

2 жыл бұрын

It's like trumpists understanding trumps mumbo jumbo speeches.

@nikkimcdonald4562

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 💯%.

@simongiles9749

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Having seem a lot of his stuff, I think its really the case that I *do* understand what he's saying, and thus i can understand that its largely a whole lot of nothing.

@sonyaj66

2 жыл бұрын

This was my exact thought when I was hearing clips of him be interviewed not long after that book of "12 Rules for Life" (also known as: "old and basic ideas co-opted and repackaged into a book of psychobabble by a pseudo-intellectual poser"). He rambles on and on about "post-modernism" bullshit, but failed to ever describe what that term actually meant. I only heard a coherent, concise explanation of it by Mark Manson in one of his newsletters. People that think he's a really profound thinker basically haven't read that much from established philosophy or psychology. I'd recommend Erich Fromm and the Stoics Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius (Meditations). I'll be glad when JP finally fades from public view for good. He's nothing but a fad, and a tiresome, tedious one at that.

@silaspitch9485

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I've never considered him a competent philosopher or thinker in general, at least not as presented in public. A turning point in my all ready unflattering impression of him was when he 'debated' or perhaps merely discussed matters of epistemology with Sam Harris. Peterson's concepts of truth are entirely and willfully incoherent. He has made a killing on the old rope-a-dope.

I am quite proud that I realized, on my own, with no influence from anyone or anything, that this man is not worth listening to. One of my outstanding moments!

@pauls4235

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Years ago

@ehr470

2 жыл бұрын

Classic Karen

@karenkelley3393

2 жыл бұрын

@@ehr470 classic Karen as in asshole or classic in a good way?

@randibgood

2 жыл бұрын

I only first saw him a couple of years ago. My initial impression, and I don't remember the subject, but he kind of made sense and I thought I kind of like what he's saying. Then I saw a couple more videos and started to think, this guy keeps contradicting himself, but indirectly. Then about the 4th video I watched I thought, this guy is a bigoted, misogynistic, elitist who loves to sit in judgement of others and tell them they should take personal responsibility, yet he would never do the same. At least he would never agree that he has those issues named above. Very egotistical. Very holier than thou.

@easterlake

2 жыл бұрын

I figured it out listening to him being interviewed by Sam Harris.

Jordan Peterson just proved he’s just another conman in a suit.

@punoil

2 жыл бұрын

💀

It's kind of mean, I know, but I can't help but laugh at David's face while Jordan is blathering on and on😂 The sheer frustration is palpable.

He's a sophist. He reasons in specious ways and will never answer any question in a direct manner, instead choosing to answer with a question. He's definitely a master of semantics.

@questtttttttt

2 жыл бұрын

Nice. I never thought of it that way. That's exactly what he is. We have so many of them these days, and he is truly the best example of one.

@JamalKhan-ws7fn

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see someone in the modern age who knows the term sophist

@zapkvr

2 жыл бұрын

He's not a master of anything. Whenever anyone asks him a question and he doesn't have a scripted answer he flops around like a dying fish. Sure you could say he is thinking before answering. And he still comes out with a load of drivel.

@zapkvr

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamalKhan-ws7fn it's a part of the word sophisticated.

@JamalKhan-ws7fn

2 жыл бұрын

@@zapkvr yes it's from the ancient Greeks. They were often teachers of young statesmen and nobility, due to seeming to be, highly intelligent for their "clever" yet misleading rhetoric.

Saying “Climate means everything” is like saying “all lives matter” in response to BLM. It’s just being deliberately obtuse; much like almost everything Jordan Peterson says.

@bobbun4369

2 жыл бұрын

Not really

@joshuajames6481

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbun4369 is climate everything then

@DJCrimeSkeleton

2 жыл бұрын

When he said that I knew that whatever else followed was going to be useless

@jimbob542

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbun4369 a perfect Petersonesque response there, nonsensical rebuttal with no pertinent justification

@bobbun4369

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuajames6481 why don’t you go listen to the conversation on Jre instead of being second handedly spoon fed information by a partisan source

It just sounds like me and my friends stoned when we were 15

Jordan Peterson is that super articulate nerd who's wrong but through intellectual sounding smoke and mirrors muddys the waters just enough to where you think he's making sense

Jordan Peterson, perhaps more than any other internet figure, represents the triumph of self-marketing over substance.

@silaspitch9485

2 жыл бұрын

Facts.

@shacktime

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, I think Elon Musk takes that honor.

@peterhausmann8337

2 жыл бұрын

But you must admit he also took a lot of substances.

@KO-iw3vu

2 жыл бұрын

@@shacktime I don’t like how elon gets government money, but if you think space travel and revolutionizing the automotive industry isn’t substance than you must be a hard person to please.

@samuellorey

2 жыл бұрын

@@KO-iw3vu your comment is the first reasonable one I’ve seen in this thread haha

Joe Rogan is such an incredible sycophant. He just nods and grunts after everything Peterson says.

@Ifoughtpiranhas

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad he's playing sloppy seconds to Dave Rubin.

@Daneelro

2 жыл бұрын

Not in these clips, but Rogan does challenge Peterson on some issues. But he could have challenged Lobster Man on literally everything he said. Rogan is just incredibly dumb and doesn't do any research. What's worse is that Rogan's 11 million listeners are even dumber & lazier.

@melian9999

2 жыл бұрын

Its called listening

@XenPsy

2 жыл бұрын

You clearly didn't watch the whole interview then. Rogan gave significant pushback throughout the interview in a non-hostile manner.

@Daneelro

2 жыл бұрын

@@melian9999 The interviewer's task is not to listen passively, but to listen with a critical mind and ask questions. Most MSM in your country (I'm assuming you're US American) doesn't do that, either, but IDW people are actually worse on this. But it is the listeners' fault if they don't pick up on the interviewer's failure.

It’s like he forgot how English works and single words mean many things depending on the context , he’s damaged his brain

I wonder what Keith Jarrett would say about those “music” patterns.

I agree - the emperor has no clothes. He's talking nonsense - they both are actually..

Peterson is that guy in school who thought that every thought he had and word he uttered was profound.

@itgetter9

2 жыл бұрын

That's what C grades are for.

@ewesty222

2 жыл бұрын

People gassed him up so much, he now feels qualified to talk about every subject & consistently makes a fool of himself

As a longtime fan of Jordan Peterson, this podcast he seemed completely unhinged. The climate rant in particular came off as an old grump simply refusing to have a real conversation

@RalphieMaysGhost

2 жыл бұрын

The weatherman cant predict rain 2 days ahead accurately but CO2 levels (if not reduced to some arbritrary level) will destroy the Earth. 🙄 That sounds plausible.

@sarahnewton2550

2 жыл бұрын

The breaking down in tears frequently is a clue - he’s not well

@ananastea

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahnewton2550 i think he takes a lot of the stuff to heart and cries mostly when moved by something? i think it’s quite strange to call that “being unwell”. just because crying publicly is rarely seen with a man? if there’s any truly concerning type of crying i’d be curious to get a link to it

@ananastea

2 жыл бұрын

i think Joe Rogan encourages opposing opinions on his podcast, sometimes jarring even, as an element of “free speech” and just not being afraid to question traditional views - and it might be partly why it sounded like that, way too philosophical and controversial? i partly get him - climate is far from being a palpable something with clear edges, it rather seeps into every crevice of life on Earth therefore making it hard to study all the causes and effects - but i agree that going way abstract here might sound like a complete denouncing of the existence of this problem and possible good solutions. guess he’s thinking it’s blown out of proportions and that’s what you emotionally do when you think so - you tend to be willing to shut all the talk about it. but i took it as just his own feelings on the topic and an attempt to correct the route of thinking in society / offer a thought, rather than something declared to be “the truth” and the way we all need to go.

@sarahnewton2550

2 жыл бұрын

@@ananastea I know when I’ve been suffering emotionally/mentally more things, even innocuous things, can bring me to tears. I recognise this in him from when I’ve been in a bad place and I also recognise, at times; his mania - from others. I think he’s under extreme pressure and at times it shows. I’m not insulting your hero, I’m worried for him.

Jordan claims the word “environment” is useless because it’s too vague and proceeds to use the word relatedly throughout the interview.

@bafflezbiz

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah what was he doing? He's this well-read, highly-educated, and extremely well-versed dynamo ... yet he's resorting to the most juvenile and asinine arguments that might only appeal to the most uninformed and ignorant people in the audience. Getting caught up in semantics and ridiculous pretzel logic. Anyone can argue about the definition and meaning of each individual word... and even about language itself. Pointless and meaningless. He's always telling people to grow up... talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Jordan Peterson just seems like he's striving to have an original thought everytime he talks.

@mikey20is

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, if you are truly smart, you speak to enlighten. Climate change means everything? I don't want to rain on his parade, but scientists input as much relevant data into their models to make the best possible predictions.

@thisisthewaterandthisisthe3254

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikey20is you realize op insulted Peterson and not you, right?

@TheEpochCompanion

2 жыл бұрын

@@Smartass012 my comment doesn't say that originality is bad, but that you shouldn't try to be original just for the sake of being original. It's fruitless.

@TheHesseJames

2 жыл бұрын

@@Smartass012 in Germany we call this „square thinking“ meaning his thought process squares off against conventional rationale. The basic state of mind of these square thinkers is that is that they are in the know and all others are just mind controlled sheep. I, being one of the sheep, usually just call them idiots.

@gunnerred.2711

2 жыл бұрын

@@Smartass012 stop drinking the alternate universe kola aid

The thing about Peterson is that he redefines terms to fit the narrative he wants to espouse. Then he strawmans based on his definitions.

@scintillasparkles

2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it! "Climate is about everything" is a grandiose, vacuous statement that a climate scientist would not make. (Coz they have a clue!)

@awesomelipe8396

2 жыл бұрын

Accuse your enemies of doing what you are doing. Brilliant!

@dylface94

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@grahammcrae4277

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent point.

@grahammcrae4277

2 жыл бұрын

Candace Owens does a lot of that, too. It’s a right thing

As someone who is now totally disillusioned with Jordan Peterson, I feel like I watch these videos the same way I would stare at a dead roach I just doused in bug spray for 2 minutes, before I doused 3 more times just to be sure

It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.~ MacBeth.

There is a difference between winning arguments and genuinely seeking the truth. People like JP like to debate, they can own the win even if they're wrong....no one owns the truth, can't make money out of it.

@gracehart6289

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic point, that's a great distinction!

@paulh8078

2 жыл бұрын

Ben shapiro has made a fortune with this formula.

@paolariveratirado4296

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulh8078 Oh, I love this take. So true... he is all in it for the clicks, for the outrage, for winning the debate. I hate that guy.

@paulh8078

2 жыл бұрын

@@paolariveratirado4296 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWxtx9aHaLTXfrQ.html 7:45 he says "why does that matter" when asked what his motivation is and then said "then make a better argument" when discussing best for a few over Good for all. He's a bad faith character pushing old ideologies and anti progressive discourse via new technology and using hypocrisy to protect his platform.......screw that guy.

@marcussullens2573

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulh8078 everything you're accusing both Peterson & Shapiro of here (which are very legitimate critiques) can be equally levelled at someone like David Pakman btw. You're literally commenting on a video where he is doing precisely what you're talking about. The clips he's taken are 30 seconds from a 4 hour podcast & have been taken wildly out of context and misrepresented for the clicks.

Jordan Peterson is not nearly as smart or profound as his fans purport him to be. He loves semantics quite clearly but beyond that there’s not much.

@troig43

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, but a lot of young men in particular view him as a role model, father figure, oracle.

@MahaGraphics

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely strikes me as having manic depressive tendencies and the mania part really comes in handy when it comes to inspiring people .. its a big element of the energy people are feeding off of with this guy. It has a way of magnifying the appearance of his intellectual prowess and just tickles the hell out of all sorts of pseudo intellectuals . He is a truly well read and intellectually competent dude, but he definitely seems to have some issues that spoil some of what he has to offer and lead him to sometimes lose track of reason and rationality. On top of that, he is banking on all this crap and it seems like some of the stuff he emphasizes is based on a sort of marketing strategy ... culture war exploitation type stuff.

@tabularasa0606

2 жыл бұрын

He makes a great word salad though.

@lawrencesiskind3554

2 жыл бұрын

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. Now, I don't really think The Joe Rogan Experience community of listeners is really "blind," it's a metaphor, and I have enjoyed Rogan's show, his guests, and his whole "I'm just a guy with a show who says what he thinks" shtick, from time to time. It can be very refreshing to listen to guests go on at length about subjects in which you are interested, compared to say Fresh Air, with its tight format and commercial like breaks. But Rogan often pretends that he's the dummy in the room, not educated, not PC, the sorta smart Bro, the curious adult who doesn't have the elite education, but his mind is open. It's a sympathetic character, to me anyway. So, a public intellectual like Jordan Petersen becomes the Professor in residence in the land of The Joe Rogan Experience. I'm not trying to be a snob, and I'm sure the vast numbers of JRE listeners are every kind of people and level of education. And, as those who've trudged through college know, there all kinds of crazy professors saying all kinds of things. As students, it's our role to question them and their ideas, in class and out. Sometimes Joe does, and sometimes we don't question our favorite crazy professor like we should, especially if he's just gone through a rough patch. Rogan has put himself in a difficult position. He used to be the "Bro" for Everyman, and I say that with admiration, and now he's in danger of becoming just another figure caught up in the culture wars like so many of us.

@paolariveratirado4296

2 жыл бұрын

@@lawrencesiskind3554 great analysis! Respectful and nuanced... I wish more people on social media could discuss on this level. Like, what are the implications? In this case, of Rogan falling into that category of one-single-agenda youtube talking head?

Malcolm X managed to communicated much deeper truths than Peterson, and with less words.

JP got his PhD by arguing with himself and losing. What he says makes sense if you're on 'shrooms.

@adamdreke

2 жыл бұрын

LOL! I was just thinking as I was watching: "He sounds like someone who just experienced mushrooms or acid for the first time."